The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: The Dark Side

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfags Podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MWFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Raveley. Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic and here's your show. So unfortunately, I am not even going to attempt to do a Darth Vader impression. You know, I have the gravelly voice,

but I don't have James Earl Jones tone. So y'all just gonna have to kind of bear with us on this. The title is The Dark Side because we're gonna talk about the dark side of preparedness and where I've seen some people go in this lifestyle, in this mindset that I wouldn't count as really healthy places. That's unfair, Nick. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it I wonder often how much of it is.

A facade they're putting on, you know, like how some people play up their personality online and whatnot, and, and how much of it is actually how they are. Cause I run into very few people that are, that are actually like this in person, but some, some of them, yeah, some of me do find in the reels. Yeah. Some of me do find in the reels. Yeah, but even the ones that are like playing playing it up and putting on a facade, like they fall into this too. Absolutely. Because they're still putting on a facade, not just being who they are. Yeah. But anyway, admin work, if you want to be a patron, support the show.

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and that is admin work over and done with, and we have raggle, fraggle and Jeff Jag in the, uh, in the chat, when do you get stuck in the LARP? I'm pretty sure we're going to cover that in one of these groups. Yeah, there's definitely, there's definitely some LARPers out there. I mean, hey, man, I love LARP as much as the next guy, but sometimes you got to do real. Yeah. But the thing with it is, is that like you can LARP and not take it

too seriously, you know what I'm saying? Mm hmm. Like it's like the guys that go out on the weekend and they play airsoft and they goof off with their friends like they're not taking it that seriously. It's it's like the guys that go out on the weekend and they play airsoft and they goof off with their friends Like they're not taking it that seriously. It's it's a game. It's supposed to be fun But then there's those guys that take it way too seriously Way way way too seriously They're like the ones that show up to a D&D play party like fully dressed up like their character with a staff and you know So it's like, okay, dude, you'd believe,

you wouldn't believe how rare that actually is, but it happens in the D in the D and D community. Yeah. Yeah. We get those every once in a while. Some people really get into it, man. And you know, if that's your thing, that's your thing. Go for it. As long as it's not getting in the way of what you're looking to do. But you know, those, you mentioned the airsoft guys that take it way too seriously. Some of those guys, they actually know a thing or two. And if you were to take

a squat, say a squad of those guys that works together all the time and takes it seriously, they're probably going to outperform a team of individuals that have not done all the training together. Because the very least the coordination is on point. So let me redefine when I say take too seriously, I mean, the ones that like initiate like generational feuds over getting shot with a little plastic. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about the guys who like they treated like life or death and it's like, dude, it's not quite on that level.

No, it's not. But you can't you can take that sport seriously enough that it becomes quality training. True, true. But this show is all about the dark side of preparedness because I would count myself as having been like really hardcore in the preparedness community for getting on about nine years now. You know, we could expand that if you want to expand the definition a little bit. A lot of these principles, a lot of this stuff, like I kind of picked up on in my youth, Nick, I'm sure you kind of bit. You said in the past, like you've been in this mindset pretty much since you became a homeowner when you got home with keys and were like, oh god, there's only a lot of

responsibility. Oh man, I was sitting on a floor of a completely empty house with a six pack and one of my buddies trying to figure out how the hell anybody let me do this. I cannot believe a bank just gave me a house. This is terrifying. Right? It was incredibly, I mean, at the time it was incredibly simple and it seemed way too easy, but heck man, sometimes we all pull the wool over the band size. One of the few times you might actually agree there should have been more controls in place.

I mean, probably it, give it my God, given the amount of money they were willing to throw at, how old was I? There's a 24 year old kid that, then maybe I was even 23. Yeah, it might've been 23. But yeah, they were willing to qualify me for like, good God, like four times what I make in a year in a mortgage. It was insane

there's no way I would have been able to afford that and eat let's see here my wife and I bought this house when I was 26 hmm and bearing in mind that you know we got kind of a delayed start because I had some things to do overseas before I could come home and finish my education and start my career and you know Things anyway extracurricular activities extended vacations. There you go but All right, so I guess we'll just take these in order sure these were not in a particular order I just pretty much did what I normally do and said squirrel and start writing stuff down as it came to me

That is the best organization strategy order, I just pretty much did what I normally do and said, squirrel and start writing stuff down as it came to me. That is the best organization strategy. But let's start with the ones that like the ones I laugh at the hardest, the marauders, these are, these are the people in the preparedness community that say, I don't have to prep. I'll just come take your stuff. Yeah, that's a mindset. Oh, it's a mindset. I don't know if it's a good plan. I mean, I kind of hear the that's a bold strategy. Kotlin, see if it works out for him in the back

of my head whenever I hear that because like, you know, the things that I tend to look at is is that most of the time when you get onto a two way range and you start initiating hostilities with another person or another person initiates hostilities with you that there's there's, and there's high velocity lead flying in both directions. So the chance of you getting injured is never zero. Correct.

And the chance of you being critically injured is never zero. And the chance of you having medical care in an SHTF situation is pretty close to zero. So it seems to me like the smart money would be stay my little Caucasian behind at home and not go fooling with anybody else trying to take their stuff. Do you remember the doomsday prepper episode, the guy had a bunker full of automatic weapons, who was a multi time convicted felon with weapons charges, who admitted that his plan was to just take everything from everyone else. So Nick, let's start this conversation off by saying that I have only watched a

tiny, tiny little fraction of doomsday preppers, and I lament the fact that the show ever existed because it portrayed this entire community in an awful way. I think that. Let's set expectations here. I think that that so the guy essentially was running drills with his family, jumping in and out of vehicles, doing mobile gun work and stuff like that. Cool, fun guy training. Yep. Jump out of the back of a pickup truck, engaged targets, engaged targets, jump into the back of a pickup truck, shoot out of the back of a moving pickup truck.

Well, a lot of the guns he showed off, um, some of them had, had, uh, I think it was switches on them. Uh, some of them were ARs with three holes and you could see them in the video that Nat Geo posted. He was a conv, if memory serves, he was a convicted violent felon and his parole officer happened to see it. Nice. So first thing he did was he admitted that he wanted to kill a bunch of people

if things ever went wrong. Second thing he did was he showed that he had the tools to kill a bunch of people and the motivation to kill a bunch of people if something like that were to happen. And he showed off- Was he married? Yeah, he was. Married with kids. Oh, Jesus Christ. Married with kids and he had off was he married yeah he was married with kids

oh he's married with kids and he had his kids in on it too so first and foremost ladies out there and this goes for gentlemen too please stop procreating with crazy people just knock that off stop it stop it second of all boys stop procreating with crazy people mm-hmm like if, boys stop procreating with crazy people. Like if we just stop procreating with crazy people, then there won't be any crazy people in generation or two, because trust me, you cannot fix him. Yeah. And you know, third, if you're gonna violate multiple federal laws, especially as a known felon, don't do it on national television. Like, Oh,

really? Where's your sense of adventure? I mean, I think it just the mindset number one shows off the kind of level of intelligence we're dealing with here because Phil, you're a military guy, you know this better than I do. What is the offensive versus defensive uh ratio that is required to take a prepared entrenched position uh it's commonly accepted that you need twice as many as the entrance position although that it has been debated by some people but it's at least two to one bare minimum yeah two to one

people, but it's at least two to one bare minimum. Yeah, two to one bare minimum, assuming you have the logistical capacity of the US military. Yeah, which and assuming you're not going to and assuming that you have a level of arms that are on par with your assailants. Like if they have, if they have, if they have half as many people, but they have a huge technological advantage or or you know, not the supplies in this case, but like air power or something like that. Or range advantage. So the movie 13 Hours, that depicts the events in Benghazi, that is a perfect analogy for what

it looks like to try to take an entrenched position that has every advantage in the book. what it looks like to try to take an entrenched position that has every advantage in the book. You know, like if they have spy satellites, if they have, you know, night vision, if they have long range weapons, you are going to expend a whole bunch of skinnies trying to get at them, have fun with that. You know, I just, and you know, realistically,

so that three to one is assuming that you're probably gonna lose, or even two to one that you're probably gonna lose or even two to one, you're probably gonna lose some of your people every time you do one of these engagements. You're not always gonna have 100% success rate, which sure, yeah, that applies to the defenders too. But as a marauding group, you're not making more friends. In fact, you're gonna be whittling through your friends

at an accelerating pace because the average family home is what, like three and a half people right now. So okay. Yeah. Two adults minimum. Let's assume this is America here. One in, what is it? One in four households or one in every three households has a firearm that the government knows about. I'm betting it's closer to one in two. I love how you phrase that. Well, let's be, let's be realistic here. How many families have granddad shotgun that that's been sitting in a closet for 60 years and it was sitting in granddad's closet for 20 or 30 years before that.

I mean, you know, I, it you're really looking at, okay, Joe says it's probably three to one advantage. Yeah, I mean, two, two to one is like the absolute barest possible minimum to even think about having a remote chance success. But what it really, I guess what it really boils down to is like, having a remote chance success but what it really I guess what it really boils down to is like you know the the movie Wyatt Earp jumps out at me because there's a line in there where

you know like the cowboy gangs get ready to rush Wyatt Earp and by the way Kurt Russell best freaking person to be casting that role I've ever you get everything no it wasn't Wyatt Earp that was Tombstone oh, yeah, you're right and Kurt Russell's character draws down on On the one in the front puts the revolver right between his eyes and says your voice might get me in a rush But not before I turn your head into a canoe Right. That's the thing you have to be you have to start thinking about when you make marauding your go-to plan is How many times are you going to roll this die before you come up nat one and wind up smoked or before you happen to come up upon

it's not just the one house but it's an organized neighborhood or even a semi-organized neighborhood or consider the fact that these types of groups tend to attract people of a certain moral flexibility. And you might just get smoked by one of your own guys. Like to me, the whole idea of I'm going to run around and take people stuff in SHTF is, is probably one of the more boneheaded ideas for a great variety of reasons. And that, and you notice I haven't even brought up morality in all this. This is just strategic, tactical, this is a dumb way to try to get your needs met.

Right, you know, I agree. Completely immoral way to do things, no question, but it's also from a practical level, completely not feasible in the long term. You may help you out temporarily, but it's going to end up costing you more in the long run Yes, Joe, that's tombstone. I caught myself You know that the same goes for looters Yeah, well, I mean all looting is is marauding it's just Right, it's just marauding with less violence on the front end Yeah with less. Right. It's just marauding with less violence on the front end.

Yeah. So this is another one. And so in the name of full disclosure, my wife, my wife and daughter enjoy a little bit of trash TV. And they were watching me and my wife, too. They were watching the show Hoarders the other the other day. I have to leave the room when when that when when they start watching that because I get so so anxious and so frustrated watching these people like you know, like they tunnel through their homes and all their junk like rats. And it just it stresses me out. I mean, anybody that's looking behind me

right now thinks right, thinks that's hilarious because I'm in my office and I've got like a whole equipment rack behind me. But like, trust me when I tell you that there's a certain amount of organization to this organized chaos that I call my home. Don't look in my garage right now. I need to do some cleanup in there. Maybe that'll happen this weekend. It'll happen. But in any case, the weather improves.

No, it's going to happen right now, unfortunately, because it's been... No, it's going to happen right now, unfortunately, because it's been good. It's so my problem is like certain areas of my home turn into workspaces and then the work they they stay cluttered until that job gets done. And that's kind of where my garage is. But anyway, but hoarders. So I've seen more than one person in the spirit of that whole two is one one is none by cheap stack it deep like there's merit to that. There is, but I've seen, but I've seen more than one person take that to such

an unhealthy degree that they literally, they like their homes are overtaken with this idea of I have to have. And it gets to the point where they're living, they literally are living in a bunker because they're just surrounded by their preps. And it just, it gets to a point where like, I'm, I am very particular about the fact that like, yes, we, we in this family, we are, we're, we're in the preparedness community, but we're also normal people. Like my daughter has friends over to sleep over.

We have friends in the house. Like we don't live in a bunker. I don't have a machine gun pointed at the front door. Like there has to be a balance point between normal, big N in air quotes, big normal, and preparedness. And I've seen people go down this road where like their whole home,

their entire living space is overtaken to such a degree that like the home isn't a home anymore. It is absolutely living in an equipment shed. You know, and that's, that's an excellent segue into the next one. I moved up a little bit here, uh, prepping as a mask for anxiety and mental illness. Now it is really kind of this, from what I understand of hoarding, that's kind of the what the feeling I get from people. And we've watched those shows on occasion. And man, you do see some people on those shows talking about how they're well, but we'll

need this when such and such happens or when whatever happens. And you saw that a lot with people from the Great Depression, the Great Depression era folks, when we were cleaning out their houses as they all died off and are continuing to die off. They have some of the wildest shit stacked away and piled up in the corners of rooms and in the backs of closets. And eventually it starts to no longer be helpful and it becomes a hindrance on your life. And that's the point where you need to reevaluate and take a step. And if you need it, get some therapy. I mean, some of these problems is you can't work through on your own. Yeah. And where, when I put this here, I think you're actually one that originally recommend or originally put this in the basket. And what I was thinking of was, you know, like, I'll be the first to admit that preppers kind of have a reputation. Some of it, some people have caused it to be deserved, which annoys me, of being paranoid, of being very anxious, or being very worried over things,

and constantly obsessing over where's the next threat coming from. And I feel that there is a group out there that use preparedness and prepping as a mask to justify their anxiety. Like they can point to they can point to very real threats and say you see that's why I do this. Yeah, then they also point to then they also

point to things that are like a point 00001% chance of happening and they also use that as a justification for their preparedness. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if that works. You know, like, I think that there's a risk because my point of view has always been with preparedness because I've had people levy this at me and at the community is like,

oh, you're always scared of stuff. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, Tio. I identify a thing that has a possibility of affecting my family. I have put some kind of a mitigation strategy together, employed it, and I am no longer concerned about it. Exactly. Because it's dealt with. Right.

If something happens, if something happens that causes plan A to fall apart, we roll to plan B, there's no anxiety, there's no worry, there's no, oh my God, what do we do? It's just push the button, go to plan B and move. Yep. So it's the opposite of, oh, I prepare because I'm anxious. It's like, no, no, no. I prepare. Therefore, there's no reason to be anxious. There's no reason to worry. The problem hasn't been solved, but it's already been mitigated exactly in my opinion and this is just my opinion preparedness shouldn't be a shouldn't be a response to anxiety it should be a forward-thinking prevention of anxiety like yesterday came home from work went went to take a shower. Shower drain was plugged up. Okay. happens. shit goes down

the shower drain. Sometimes they plug up. I live with two girls tell me about I know the hair it's everywhere. Don't wash your dog in the shower. It's a terrible idea. So finished up my shower, pop downstairs, grabbed a couple of my plumbing tools. I happened to have one of those drain snakes that you can run down like for like 25 feet. They're like 35 bucks at your local hardware store. You'll use it maybe once every five years, but instead of having to call a plumber and spend 500 or a thousand dollars or whatever it would be for a call out after business hours on a weekday, I was able to solve the problem in 15 minutes. And I know it's a problem.

All right, well, that kind of sucks. I didn't want to do that this afternoon. Guess I'm gonna have dinner ready a little bit late. Problem solved. There was no anxiety around that problem. And the same can be said for small hurricanes down by you guys when it's not serious enough for you to evacuate. It's okay, great. It's going to suck for a couple of days, but we have food, we have water, we have air conditioning.

Yeah. So these next two, I kind of almost wish I had to put them in the same slide, but we'll bounce back and forth. They kind of are the same, I think, to some extent. They can kind of almost wish I'd have put him in the same slide, but we'll Same I think to some extent they can they can kind of dovetail into each other They can so I guess let's talk about let's just do this one first the black pill right now For the benefit of people who are not familiar white pill is like everything is fine Everything is great, you know, but it's not like everything is fine. Like the meme of the dog that's in the house is on fire. Everything is actually fine and getting better. Yeah, everything's fine. It's optimism. Black pills, the exact opposite. So I've seen people in the preparedness world, eventually get to the point because of actually two slides from now is another thing I think leads to this but they and it leads the next one to anyway I should have put all three of these together I suck as a host yeah we can always talk about them as we talk about them but

I've seen people get to the point and prepared in his journey that eventually they become so overwhelmed with the next crisis, the next threat, the next thing, or they become so overwhelmed with I'm at zero, I have to get to a hundred, I'm never gonna get there, and they just quit. Or they stop taking care of immediate life needs and defer all of that assuming that the world is going to end. Yeah, it's another great point. You see these people, they ignore their health, their physical health, their mental health. They ignore their financial health and put off retirement.

Worse than put off retirement. I have known a person who was literally trying to advocate that I don't put money into a 401k because you know, we're, we're not going to be alive by the time it gets here. And I just kind of look at them with this look on my face, like what happens if we do? Do I need to start checking for a note? ever. All I'm saying, Nick is like, I don't think that working until noon on the day I die and dying on the Walmart floor is an appropriate retirement plan. But I do know people that like

that is that that becomes their mindset at a certain point. It is everything is broken. There is no point and they quit. The future will never be here. Like you said, yeah. Yeah, they can quit in a variety of ways. It's either I am gonna do nothing but prep because the world's gonna go to hell in a hand basket before we, you know, in the extremely near future

or they quit and they say, the world's gonna go to hell in a hand basket. I can do nothing about it. So I'm just gonna quit. I'm just gonna like, I've seen this a lot recently with people doing, what was it? It was a phenomena where people,

mostly my age and younger, which really depresses the hell out of me, they were like loading up credit cards, spending money and putting nothing in retirement because their point of view was, was like houses are unaffordable. Everything's going up in price. I might as well have like five, 10 years of fun. Right. And then it's never going to pay off in the end anyway. So why not just enjoy it now while I'm young and have fun. Yeah. You see that spending. Yeah. Trauma spending. That's what it, that's what they were calling it. Okay.

I could see that. And I, and I, I see this a lot the same way, because there are people that say, well, I'm just, I'm just gonna, you know, pour everything into our preps or, or they say, I'm not going to prepare at all, because there's no point. Like, it can't be done. Well, I mean, it can be, but it's not useful to do so. Yeah. And the other, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say that this leads you right to, this can lead you right to burnout too. You know, where you go so hard and so fast into it that you just fry your brain for a while and you abandon it. And I do, I've known a handful of people

in the preparedness community that they get burnout. And it's kind of hard to blame them because, once you've been doing this for a length of time, and Stuart, I can hear you right now, screaming from the comments section, I'll address you tomorrow when you hear this. If you don't know who Stuart is, you should be a patron and then you can introduce yourself to him and he'll scream at you too. Like he

does us you too can be corrected by Stuart with essays and I do mean essays. Yeah. And the only the only reason I can't even get upset with the old jerk though because he's so fricking knowledgeable. He's genuinely nice. He does want to nice person. He really does. Yeah. He's doing, he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart to try and help you better yourself. That's really where he's coming from. But you know, it, yeah, I burn out a lot of that burnout can come from the people you surround yourself with.

the people you surround yourself with. That seems reasonable. I also think it becomes, I also think sometimes it's a matter of perspective because like, if you, if you view preparedness the way I do, which is like, you know, it's a lifelong journey, there is no such thing as quote unquoteunquote prepared enough And this is why I say Stewart's gonna scream because like Stewart has been in the preparedness community since he was a teenager Basically, and he's not too far away from retirement age at this point So he's been doing this longer than some of us have been alive Which is why we tolerate being yelled at by him frequently because he's usually right. It's usually worth being yelled at.

Well, it's not that he's wrong. We just don't like to admit that he's right. Correct. But it's one of those things where it's like there are people who think I have enough. I can just maintain this. I can quit. And I don't agree with that, but it's kind of hard to blame a person for thinking that because like you've, you've, you've your mitigation strategy is X, you've achieved it, you're maintaining it. I don't think you're making the right, I don't think that's the right call, but at least you're

thinking this through. But I've also seen people who like, just because they've been doing it for so many years, and let's call it what it is, the financial and the time sacrifices start to pile up at a certain point and some people just get tired of dealing with it. And eventually they say, you know what? I'd really like to have a boat. I'd really like to go on a European vacation. I would really love to let all this nonsense go

and go do what everybody else is doing because it looks like more fun than what I'm doing. This is why I argue for balance in all things. You know, not moderation, balance. You need to live your life in such a way that you do get enjoyment out of your life and you are taking care of yourself now and in the future. Yeah, it's also kind of yeah

it also goes back to the thing I was saying earlier about like We we we look like normal people on the on the surface like, you know We have we have friends of ours come over to our house and I don't have a our 15s and M 60s and everything hanging up On the walls like, you know, we look normal on the face at least. But it's just the idea that like, we're trying to have some balance. I mean, like, look at the way we deal with my daughter, you know, she has a cell phone, she talks to her friends, she gets on, she watches whatever in the world she's into right now on Netflix. I think arcane was her thing most recently, although she did start binging another series. But it's just one of those situations where it's like,

I don't have my daughter in here spending two hours a night strapping tourniquets onto her legs. There's gotta be a point at which I am not willing to complete, I'm not willing to trade 100% of a normal upbringing for my child for this lifestyle. If she decides as an adult to commit to this, that's fine,

but I'm not going to put her on a path. I'm not going to try to force her to it because it's not my place. My place is to say, I mean, what's the first thing that, especially because your daughter is going to be a teenager here, what's the first thing a teenager does when you try to force them into anything? Rebellion. Mm-hmm. They run the other way as fast as humanly possible. Oh Jeff you're right on target

It is Jeff Jag just said preps are just a line item in a budget like a bill just like a bill just like retirement just like savings just like every other freaking thing like You know, that's just the truth matter is that Preparedness is a line item and it's all it's not just a line item in a fiscal budget but in a time budget Like if you if you try to dedicate 100% of your available time to this kind of stuff It will drive you freaking crazy and it'll probably get you smacked by your spouse. More than likely. I mean, anything you try to devote 100% of your time to is eventually going to run in.

You're going to run into a wall. You can never devote 100% of yourself to anything. It just doesn't work. One of the things that I've noticed that tends to lead to burnout in people is exactly what you had on the next slide here, crisis trading. So when I was first getting into this community, I was speaking with a gentleman, not going to name him, not going to discuss his past, military veteran like yourself, that's all I'm going to say, older guy. guy he was very much into we have X number of months and it come out to like

three years okay this was back when I was 23 34 now he has been saying we have three years we have three years we have three years we have three years we have three years for 11 years or 11 years And I would joke with him every once in a while that man, I must have survived like three apocalypses by accident by now. And he gave me kind of salty with me. But it was either this president's gonna end the country. This congressperson is going to do this that or the other thing. There's a there's going to be a world ending pandemic that comes out of Botswana or whatever. And he always it was it was never. Yeah, we were looking

like we're probably gonna have some nasty weather this fall. And this winter, probably gonna have a blizzard. You know, maybe it's nice storm economies looking rough. Maybe we should all, you know, stack up a little extra in our in our retirement account or our savings account. It was always world ending event after world ending event. And I had to distance myself from him for my own mental health because it was like, dude, if it three years, well, that's, what am I gonna do? I don't have a million dollars to spend on this.

And you're telling me that what I'm doing is worthless because I'm not doing enough fast enough Yeah, but you know this sounds very much like the guy I met at prepper camp who Proclaimed quite loudly and repeatedly that if you were not growing your own food today on 20 acres right now not growing your own food today on 20 acres right now. Like if you were not prepared to live like little house on the prairie, you might as well quit prepping. Just give it up. And okay. Yeah, you've just eliminated 99% of preppers that I know. Yeah. Well, he was also talking very loudly about that you had to have a year of food saved up to, you know, for the rapture, to which I kind of replied.

I'm like, but if you believe in the rapture, then shouldn't you be getting right with God so that you don't have to survive for that year afterwards? Because like you've already gone up north. Unless he knows something about himself that you don't. Well, unless he's just trying to help the poor dumb heathens that are going to be left behind. I don't know. I didn't get I didn't talk to him too much. Because yeah, something about that whole mental in my way.

Something about that whole do it my way or don't bother kind of rub me the wrong way. Yeah, it's you know, it's like they say there's more than one way to skin a cat, right? You know, there's a million ways to do anything correct and probably 10 times as many ways to do it wrong But still there's never just one way yeah, but crisis trading is something I see people fall into and it kind of goes with that whole anxiety mental illness thing we talked about earlier because like it it

Gets to be very chicken little at a certain point when every time you meet this person it's a new it's a brand new thing and it's usually the brand new thing that the TV is talking about if you notice yes yes it is the TV is talking about or the you or pick your flavor of YouTube content creator catastrophist because there's plenty of those out there catatris catastrophists I could not have cooked that word up if I'd have tried. Oh, that's a real word too. Really? Yeah. Catastrophist. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it is. I have an extensive vocabulary. That's a new one for me. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I just,

I think crisis trading is really, first of all, I think it's unhealthy as hell. Like there's a reason why they talk about the effects of constant stress and constant anxiety and how what absolute hell it is on the body and your heart and your brain and everything else. It shortens your lifespan faster than smoking. Yeah. And I just don't, not only that, but like, I've always kind of askewed this idea that like, I think, I think it can be helpful when a person initially joins the

preparedness world to think through like, what am I preparing for? Like, you know, that goes to like Sam Culper's area study that goes to a catastrophist is a person who destroys the theory of catastrophism. Who supports the theory of catastrophism. Oh, which is the idea that the earth's surface and species have been shaped by sudden violent events. Thank you, Morgan Hurd. I, um.

I know words, big ones. Yeah, it's just, but you know how that is when you have like a really extensive vocabulary, you know, a lot of words, someone drops a brand new one on you. It's like, it's fun. It's exciting. I got a new one. I just had the, I just had the metal gear solid on the exclamation point pop up over my head for any of y'all that are of that generation. Nice. I even heard the noise in my head. any of y'all that are of that generation. Nice.

I even heard the noise in my head. That's fair. But yeah, I just, I think, I think crisis trading is just, I think it's damaging and I think it's not just damaging to the individual. I think it's really bad for the community because it, it, it builds the expectation that when the current crisis has passed, we have to find another crisis to justify the preparedness. When my point of view, to your point earlier, where you were talking about the guy you knew who was like, the world's going to end in three years, but he wasn't worried about the winter storm that was going to hit next week. 36 months was always his deal. We've got 36 months

to establish a compound of at least a thousand acres. And I guess to my point, I think to myself, I'm like, there's a whole bunch of stuff that's going to pop off in the next 36 months that has nothing to do with the end of the world. There's no end of the things that could... In the next 36 months, we this family are probably going to get swacked with at least one major hurricane, just playing the odds. Oh yeah, and probably at least two minor ones. Yeah. We are almost certainly going to have to dip into like our emergency savings two, three times over the next 36 months. You know, something, some, some appliance will misbehave, something will start

car, something will do something unpleasant and will require a sudden injection of money to make it shut up and behave itself. But there's all these things that are very likely, almost a sure thing that we should be preparing for before we start preparing for like Y2K in the end of the world and COVID 2.0 and everything else. It's like, you know, but people get stuck on these black swan events like the big one. And then they which by definition, you cannot

Yeah, I know that. I know that. Don't you know, we know that. Don't try to convince them of that though. Yeah, there are some people you're never going to convince anything man. All right. So now let's talk about the overly confident and then that's going to bleed very, very quickly into the next one. Somebody out there is going to get their feelings hurt. And the best thing I can tell you is sit down and shut up for five seconds. Just hear me out. Just listen. Listen, listen, Linda. I like my odds against most things that would threaten my family because we have

done a lot of thinking ahead, a lot of putting plans in place. Comma, however, comma, you know, like we had this conversation when Hurricane Ida put my family on notice, we didn't stay here because I was just so excited about getting hit with a cap for hurricane that I just was about to pee my pants. We made a judgment call based on the storm track and then the effing thing changed tracks very violently when it made landfall. And we thought we were far enough inland to be pretty well protected from it and we were wrong.

And we wound up getting 130 plus mile an plus mile an hour winds which was a fair bit Hotter than we were expecting had I known Then what I know now if my crystal ball had not been in the shop and had been Operating within normal parameters at the time. My family wouldn't been here We'd have packed our crap and we'd have left take the cats and the dog take a couple days worth of stuff we'd have blown. Take the cats and the dog, take a couple days worth of stuff, we'd have blown out of here. Because I, just because I can sustain my family through a really bad time doesn't mean I want to be here for the really bad time. Why take the risk?

Why take the risk? We had two trees hit the house. Yeah, and it could have been way worse. Yeah, could have been way worse yeah it could have been worse you guys were very fortunate you know as much as it sucked you were very fortunate yeah i think i think because of the level of preparedness we maintain we were well equipped to deal with the problem we have but it still would have been better to not be here for it to happen. Absolutely. But I see people who they get this in their head, like, I can do, I can do it, I can handle it, like, I'm going to charge headfirst into danger. And they get this in their head that because they're in this community, that they have to prove what they're capable of weathering. And my answer to that is, always, always,

are capable of weathering. And my answer to that is always, always, always, I can't stomach the idea of intentionally inserting my family in a harm's way. It is one thing if harm comes to us and we either respond to it or we make a calculated decision based on our ability to weather the danger here where we have all of our preps or we get out of its way, that's one situation. But to actively insert myself and my wife

and daughter into harm's way is just not a smart idea to me. But I see people make that I see people start making that calculus. Like you can see the crazy dancing in their eyes when they see this opportunity to like punch their prepper card and show everybody how bad ass they are. And I'm just like, I just, that worries me. You saw it with prepper camp last year. Yeah. There were people that said online and to other people, they were going to stay

to quote, test their preps. You're going to stand in the path of a hurricane to test your preps. There are better ways of testing things in a fail safe environment. Yeah. Well, I mean the first thing I tell most people whenever they come to me because we're also avid campers and the first thing I tell everybody when they they come to me, because we're also avid campers. And the first thing I tell everybody when they say, I want to go camping for the first time, what do you recommend? I tell them state park camping, state park within walking distance of the

bathrooms and go with someone who goes camping a lot, because I promise you the first time you go do this and like the rubber meets the road, you're going to break a tent pole or your brand new gas stove isn't going to work. Something's going to go wrong. And you don't want the thing that goes wrong to ruin your weekend. We're not talking about life or death because at the end of the day, you go to a free, you check into a hotel if it gets that bad. But the point is you don't, know, something's gonna go wrong like

Somebody told me a long time ago and it stuck with me for years NASA never had a single space mission without one fault So let's stop and do some math here Every single thing we ever shot into space from the first satellite to man on the moon there was one fault every single mission you just hoped it wasn't Apollo 13 you wanted the fault to happen on the ground and be a little bitty problem and we get over the hump and we get the rest of the mission done but NASA all those freaking nerds couldn't make one mission go off without one problem so you and me are gonna screw something up. Yeah i like to think i'm a fairly you know at least average intelligent guy.

What i don't hold a cat candle to room full of nasa scientists and actual rocket scientists. rocket scientists. Admittedly doing something very, very complex, but the point remains. Oh, for sure. So so so is survival in an in adverse conditions. But they have all of the best minds that the federal government can afford, I guess. Working on the problem and they still run into snags. Yeah. So I guess like that, that's that's one group I see in the preparedness community that like, I really, really hope that their their their exuberance gets a little bit of a check. I really hope it's not an aggressive one though, because like, in the middle of a bad situation is a really bad time to find out that something you thought you had nailed down didn't work the way you planned on it working. You know, look at all the people that you see practicing those really obscure fire building

techniques, fire bows and stuff like that. You know what? Every single one of the people that's seriously good at those also has with them all the time. A cigar torch. the time a cigar torch Yeah, a cigar torch a cigar So much better. It's so much faster. So I've lost touch with him over the years, but years and years ago. I we had a listener and he was a guy I talked to a handful of times

And he taught a primitive survival school over on the East Coast prior army. Sure. And one of the things he taught was like primitive survival one-on-one how to build a fire and he had people out there rubbing sticks together and bow drills and the whole nine yards using ferro rods and at the end of that day, you know what he would always do after he had let all these students like break their freaking backs and rip their hands open for an hour trying to start these freaking fires and 75% of them couldn't get a fire lit with a bow drill because it's not exactly easy?

No. He would walk over to every one of those bird's nests and light it with a big out of his pocket. And that was the conclusion of that class was if you are serious about survival, every one of you better go out into the woods with a Bic in your pocket. Because knowing how to do this is cool, but having a Bic is a lot better. And he did the exact same thing with the, he did a class on shelter building, where you literally like you go out in the woods with nothing. And you build a shelter out of like sticks and pine straw and stuff like that. And after he would get through

doing all that, he would pull out of this little baggy hip on his back, he pull out a tarp and say, every one of you should have brought one of these with you. And that was that was the thing he constantly like pounding there by his head was knowing these primitive survival skills is helpful. It's useful, but you would be much better served by carrying a tool that does the job. Like this is a safety net underneath the tool you should have brought with you. So that in a worst case scenario, you can make do with what you have, but you should, this should not be your primary, I'm gonna go out in the woods

and live like a caveman. Like that's not the point. Yeah. You see that in defensive circles too. You know, the guy that goes to the range shoots once a year. I'll be fine defending myself has never shot under stressful conditions, that goes to the range shoots once a year, I'll be fine defending myself. Has never shot under stressful conditions,

not even a timer, and thinks that they're gonna be able to perform as well as they do shooting bullseye static on a range with no time constraints. Would this also be the guy that was like a soldier or a Marine 30 years ago that thinks that he's still, you know, 13% body fat and can. You see it a lot.

I mean, look, everybody gets older. We all do. Thanks Nick. I like being reminded of that fact, but yes. Hey man, I'm getting older too. Like I'm not seeing the negative side effects quite so fast, but like, dude, I got to wear glasses all the time now.

Didn't have to when I was teenager. A couple more years, I'll be able to save money on haircuts at the rate I'm going. There you go. Yeah, I'm not far behind you. Yeah. But look, it's we all need to check our confidence levels back in with reality every now and then. Yeah. And I put this one in here. And I feel like this might just be another way of saying the overly confident the thrill seeker, you know, I don't know, maybe that's the exact same thing as the overly confident.

I don't know. I don't know. Because there are people that while they there are people that admit that they don't know if they have the capability to do something and then go attempt to do it anyway. So they try to go play in the circus with a safety net. Correct. You see it every once in a while. Like the what was the name of the guy that went off to live in Alaska that died in the bus? Shoot. I don't know.

I wanted to go try and live off the land. They made a movie about it recently. I'll find out and I'll text you. But essentially what the guy did was he read a bunch of survival manuals, you know, wanted to go try and try his hand at living like a mountain man out in the wilderness. And he died because he did not have the knowledge or experience yes Joe is correct dumbass also bear bait no he didn't die by bear i believe he starved to death

starved to death combined with uh poisonous plant toxicity i think is what they figured was this cause of death combined with illness that That's a wonderful way to go. Yeah, apparently there are...oh, my wife is saying that it's called Alone, that maybe what the movie was called. I can't, I'm trying to think of the guy's name. Doesn't matter. We'll find out later and I'll drop it in one of our next shows. That reminds me, my wife and I were talking about, talking the other day. We have to get the wives on this show. Ah And that's who it was will the Candles will just put Chris McCandless

We'll take you Morgan Rachel and Gillian together and then you and I can just bug bugger off and go like drink urban while they talk Yeah, we can do that We could probably get a on when we do the, when we get together for the patron trip. Well, yeah, I mean, that's a given. Yeah. Well, we're going to have to record on the trip anyway. So yeah, as we'll get them to phone in, we'll volunteer them.

I don't know how your relationship works. I can't volunteer my wife crap. I can ask her very politely and promise her chocolate and belly rubs and might get, might get some cooperation out of her. Bribery is super effective. Bribery is super effective. Chocolate, tacos, and sushi. And I can motivate her to do many things. There you go. And I guess this is the last one. This was the one you added, the opportunist, which is the category that's going to piss me off the absolute worst because I've talked before

about how absolute little tolerance I have for people that take advantage of other people because they use their position or their supposed knowledge to influence other people into doing or spending money on things that really don't work well. Yep. So, Jeff, chiming in here, best timeline for Chris McCandless is that he ate poisonous berries, got too sick to move and died of dehydration.

That sounds like a terrible way to die. So let's not do that. Let's not do any of that. Let's not go out into the woods of Alaska with on a wing and a prayer and just try to, you know, try to handle it. Yeah. So I wanted to add this one in here, the opportunist, because I see this a lot and it came up kind of in a different Episode we were talking about those those really the really shitty bug out bags the pre-made first-aid kits that kind of suck That are basically just you know They claim to be like a advanced first-aid kit and the most advanced thing in there is a triangular bandage and an extra roll Of gauze one roll gauze and 99 band-aids

there is a triangular bandage and an extra roll of gauze. One roll of gauze and 99 band-aids. Yeah, you see that all the time. Now, granted, there are some quality first aid kits out there and there is probably, though I have not seen it, a quality pre-built bug out bag. I haven't seen one. But that's, you know, that's not to say it wouldn't exist. I mean, it's entirely possible that somebody's made one

that is good quality. And if you're a manufacturer out there that thinks you have, send us one. I'll critique the hell out of it and break all your shit. It'll be fun. I like breaking things. So this is also like your your guys that are claiming to be the guru with the secret knowledge, you know, the the Jeff Kwon Doe guys that are going to teach you the ultimate secrets to self-defense. And it's really just like a basic hand to hand combatives class or a really

shitty version of like a Thai Kwon Doe or something like that, that is neither effective nor cost, uh, what it should. Uh, you know, it's survival trunk on eBay. That was very good, says Morgan. Send me that link or send the link to the show somehow. Phil, do we still have that contact box on the website? So there is a contact form on mofpodcast.com, comma, however, comma, if it's easier, you could send that to like, if you're on Instagram, you could send us a message through there and I'll forward it to Nick. That's yeah, I'll take a look at it. Those are probably going to be the simplest ways the contact form I warn everyone, if you send

me something through the contact form, it is supposed to go to my email box. But sometimes the website is a little bit bitchy. And it sends it to Mars or somewhere I'm not sure where but it does not go to my mailbox. And if I don't get a notification through my email box, then I'm not going to log into the back end of the mother f*****g website like you know, but every now and then. And I'll realize I have a going to log into the back end of the mother f*****g website. Like, you know, but every now and then, and I'll realize I have a message sitting there for the last three months that I didn't answer because the website was being in a hole about it. So that's happened to a few of y'all. And I apologize. I always respond.

I just can't promise you that if the internet doesn't cooperate with me, it's going to be a prompt one. But if it goes to Instagram, that's usually pretty quick and pretty full. That should ping your phone. Yeah, no, no, no, not much pings my phone if it's not my wife or daughter because that's wise. I yeah, I have a strict prohibition on social media being able to notify my phone about squat because I like to be able to unplug. That's fair, man unplug that's fair man that's fair but these are but I do check it often enough so that's probably not a bad way to get it over to us but yeah back to the

opportunist yeah you know it's this is like the guy that puts on the trade show in the convention hall and all he's trying to do is sell merch all he's trying to do is sell you on his survival book that is $69.95 when the Boy Scout manual that is $19.95 has all the same information. He just put some different graphics on it. This sounds a lot like the guy that was selling like the CD-ROM of survival knowledge and it's all freaking like it's literally all old like FM's and TM's from military that are public domain that you could get if you just google search and it's It's it's the snake oil salesman It's the person who's it's a person who's either selling junk or they're selling legitimate stuff that is horribly marked up

Or they're able quality Yeah or there they have that they have the Secret sauce the new knowledge the thing that's going to revolutionize everything. And it's just something that they invented that's never been battle tested or never been, you know, like it's never been proven to work, but they think it's a really cool idea. I draw the comparison to like the guys that run like these boot camps to like teach you how to be a man and everything. And it's a bunch of guys who like get penpecked by their wives every night.

Like, you know, like it is, it is praying upon it's people that prey upon a community that as we've already discussed, some people in that community are very prone to crisis trading. They have they're very prone to anxiety. And it uses that in an attempt to like con and extort them out of money. And I find that personally reprehensible and annoying. Yeah, I agree. People in this community are trying to do, at least in their mind, they're trying to

do the best they can to protect themselves and their family. They may go off the rails, but predatory people are making it harder. And it's, it's not good. And the hard part of it is, is like from, from, from the content creation side of this, there's nothing about, there's nothing about anything we're doing here that is free. The website costs money, the domain costs money, the audio podcast,

bandwidth costs money, the accounts to stream this live cost money, all of this cost money. So let's get that out of the way up front. And there is a baked in incentive for people that either want this to pay for itself, which we do because of our patrons or people that eventually and by the way. Oh, yeah. Huge thanks, because I ain't gonna lie.

If I had if I had to show that cash every year to keep the show running, probably wouldn't be. I can't say that. I genuinely enjoy doing this, but it would definitely make it a little bit more. Make it help a lot harder. It would be. But you know, like and then none of that is a sob story. It's just to put this, it's to put what I'm about to say. It's just the reality, the reality of the situation. And even above and beyond that, content creation takes time. So most people in this capitalist society we live in want to be compensated for their time and they have some kind of an incentive

to either accept money from an advertiser to promote a thing or to produce something to sell themselves so they can compensate themselves for their time. I get that I understand all the all That in play I get all the motivations there. I get it What frustrates me and I I see this even in content creators that like I enjoy their content is they start going down this really dark road of like selling all the things that

Everybody else is selling because somebody's buying up a ton of ad space like everybody remembers. Oh God, what was it? The title VPN Nord VPN Snore and desert Institute which might be a phenomenal gunsmithing school. I don't know. I just know that every freaking Pewtuber on earth shows for them at one point or another. What was it? The title thing where you could become like a Scottish Lord if you bought like this like six square. Oh, yeah.

Scotland or something like that. Something titles anyway. But like Royal Tit titles or something. Yeah. But I see. We're in Shadow Legends. Thank you, Ragel. Yes, that's another one. Jesus Christ.

I have every gaming channel. It's not even gave just gaming channels, though. That's the that's the wacky part. Like when you start seeing that and I love Brandon Herrera to death. But like when you start seeing him pumping and I love Brandon Herrera to death, but like when you start seeing him pumping ads for Raid Shadow Legends, it's like, dude, dude. I get it. He's trying to make an income off of it.

But you know, you get the same thing with like the fear salesman. Yes. Not gonna name names. I'm sure you guys have seen channels that do this, but there are a couple of YouTube channels out there that every single video they put out, it's crisis of the day, crisis of the week, crisis of the month. This is going to be the end. The end is coming, doom saying all the goddamn time. And it just, you're not helping anymore. At one point,

some of these were educational channels and now it is just pushing fear to push their view numbers. Yeah. And I think you and I both, and I think Andrew would say the same thing, we want to push responsible preparedness. Well I think what we want to push is like adulthood because like, you know, we, we. Yeah, I know I smirk a little bit internally thinking about us acting like

adults, but stick with me on this. But like to me, it's like, you know, I just, I can't get on board with the idea of like, not, not encouraging people to act like responsible adults. Like there has to be some balance between this lifestyle and being a normal human being there has to be some balance between I want to I want to make sure I can take care of my wife and daughter and not acting like a nut job that scares the hell out of them. there has to be balance there. And I just, I think that

is one of the hallmarks of maturing. And one of the hallmarks of being an adult is being able to find the balance point. Because when we're when we're kids, you know, especially for like kids with a certain kind of tism, and I'm raising my hand on that, like something interests you, and it's like 200% energy on this right now, all the time. I am going to eat this and only this for the next three months until I never eat it again.

Yes, but then that's part of like, that's part of maturing and part of growing is like you learn to find a little bit of balance. It's like, I just don't know another way to put that. But I think balance is important. But I think one of the things that like, we've tried to do with this show for a very long time is that, you know, like, we've one of the reasons why this show is funded by patrons is because we've always we've always really resisted the idea of accepting ad money for just whatever nonsense.

And I mean, honestly, we've had a couple of people reach out to me and try to offer us not inconsequential sums of money to pump products that it took me about an hour to look through their website, their website, who they were, what they were selling and compare it to the rest of the market and say, I wouldn't buy this. And if I'm not going to buy it, I'm not going to ask anybody else to either. And I've politely told them, no, we're not interested. Now, you know, there are people out there that would think that as a stupid decision, but like I've always very idealistically stated, like I do the show because I enjoy

it. This is not work for me. This is not payday. This is not P mag and 50 BMG money for me. I do this because I enjoy doing it. So if I have to start feeling dirty about taking money to pump bull crap, this is not worth doing anymore. It's not fun. And it makes me feel icky. Not interested. You know, I have a very hard time recommending anything to anyone for any purpose if I do not know its quality and if I do not trust its quality. If I'm going to make a recommendation for anything, it's something I have either used and broken or used and not managed to break yet, which is a damn

rare thing. But yeah, I just, I know how much of my time I have to sacrifice at work to buy the things I buy. I'm not going to any of, ask or recommend any of you make that same sacrifice or more because who knows how much, what economic situation you're in. I'm not gonna try and foist any of that upon anybody else without knowing it is of the highest quality. Quantum flux traps. Is there a joke there I'm not getting, Nick?

I don't think I get it either. So maybe that maybe that went over my head Quantum flux drives. I mean, I'll be the first to admit I'm a massive nerd and I can be totally missing a sci-fi movie reference but it would be an unusual day that I miss a It would be an unusual day that I miss a sci-fi movie reference. I mean, I said the subtitle under my name is Nick, I am your father because the title of he is not. No, I'm not Nick's father. I would have had to have had you when I was like prepubescent, which would be weird. Congratulations.

No. Also geographically difficult. Well, yes. But the point remains. No. Also geographically difficult. Wow. Yes. But the point remains. Yeah. Hence the, I can't do James Earl Jones' voice. Otherwise, I would have started off with a Nick, I'm your father,

Darth Vader voice. If you could do James Earl Jones' voice, this podcast would be a much better audio experience. Yeah. Sorry. You're welcome. This is what you got. That's all right. Oh, Kingman was saying it's what the tic-tac UFOs use for propulsion quantum flux

drives. You know, that's man, aliens, whatever. It's not in my wheelhouse, man. I don't know anything about any of that or the Clintons history. And I'm definitely enjoying life right now and would never ever harm myself in a suspicious fashion. So Raggle Fraggle has asked, where's Andrew? Andrew is joining the show when he is able and unfortunately with his work schedule that is intermittent to say the least. Yes, he will be on when he can. He'll be at the Patreon campout I believe. He will be at the Patreon campout. He did some damn full thing about taking a promotion at work and I don't know what the hell he's thinking doing that. Yeah, don't get promoted. Yeah, don't get promoted.

I mean the extra money is always great but the responsibility and headaches and stress is phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah. Damn fool. So, you know, damn fool. Andrew is doing what we recommend and taking care of real life first. Yeah. And a mom man. He's making the adult choice. No, he not at all He'll be on when he can be All right. Well, is there any other dark sides to preparedness that we missed? I feel like we had a pretty all-inclusive list

Nothing springs to mind but I am certain we will be hearing from a special someone I'm a patron chat about things we have forgotten certain we will be hearing from a special someone in the patron chat about things we have forgotten. That's what Stuart does is every single episode he tells me all the things I misstated or screwed up or forgot or I was being a moron about something and every single time I tell him you should come on the show and he should come on the show. has an open invitation he any of you are in the patreon channel you should harass Stewart into coming on the show ooh you just started it I have we're gonna now weaponize peer pressure against Stewart instead of you this time you do know that Stewart is immune to peer pressure though right oh far we just haven't used enough. Stuart have fun with it. Stuart, you you can send all of your.

All of your disturbing pictures to Nick. I had no part in this and I want no part of it. Alright, fraternity man, that's he's got nothing I haven't seen before. Well, if anyone can think of any any dark side of preparedness that we missed, they're welcome to drop it in the comments or welcome send it through the contact sheet. You can jump on our Instagram

and him page and leave some message there. Or you could just, I don't know, go outside and shout at the sky about it. Whatever makes you happy. All you're in my geographic location I might hear you. Yeah, all I'm gonna say is like I I think this lifestyle is very important. I think it's very necessary I would not have subjected my family to all of my autistic shrieking about it for all these years and you know spent the money and the time doing all these things nor what I've stood up in front of all of you apes like a moron for all

these years and advocated for it if I didn't think it was important. comma, however, comma, I do think it's important not to go to too much to the deep end and then you know, drink the Kool-Aid and start mainlining it like Absolutely being an adult Have a little bit of balance in your life go outside touch grass every now and then better yet If you don't have a girlfriend you should get one of those Because that will help that will help keep you normal a lot better than listening to us two weirdos. Oh, absolutely

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