The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: The Government Did WHAT?!?!

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfax podcast on the Prepar Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MOFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Ravley, Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter of Facts podcast. I'm Phil. This is Nick. Let's cover some bases really fast.

Extra admin work for an episode where we're going to talk about the government for the entire hour plus. Neither I nor Nick are thinking about harming ourselves. We're both excellent swimmers. Neither one of us lifts weights and neither one of us knows anything about the Clint's. I lift weights. But I with a spotter. Oh, yeah. Always with a spotter.

Or on camera. Yeah. Not alone in my basement with 800 pounds on a bench price. Got to cover your bases whenever you have an episode like this. And incidentally, we both have been doing research for last week about everything. Research. Yeah, research about everything that the government has done that people should be put in prison for for the rest of our lives. So, you know, there is that. Andrew unfortunately couldn't join us.

Andrew got disappeared by the CIA and is being turned into a super soldier. So I'm hoping he's going to end up being like, a Captain American superhero where he still looks like a reasonably decent looking person that doesn't wind up like a red skull superhero where he looks like he doesn't have skin because that'd be unfortunate yeah I mean

I mean I would also go with Winter Soldier robot arm I mean come on now robot arm robot arm I'll give it that I'll give it that but Andrew couldn't be with us he'll be sorely missed But let's do some admin work And let's talk about all the myriad of ways

That your government has done stupid stuff over the years That somebody should be in prison for That no one probably ever will But that's another story So patrons, the patrons fund the show They promote our psychopathy Some of them might actually be watching this And most of them will be listening to this after all afterwards

And for the patrons, if we missed anything Then I don't know Like bug us about in the patron chat Because do We can talk about this for three more episodes and still not run out material. I mean, there's a lot. We could probably do a multi-episode mini-series on just any one of these.

The only thing we run out of is booze. Nope. There's a distillery, not a three-quarters of a mile from my house. I am set. Okay. That's fair. I will run out of money before they run out of booze. Well, running out of money usually leads to running out of booze.

usually. It just depends on how creative you are. Or how determined. Anyway, if you'd like to throw a couple of bucks in the tip in the tip jar, we don't spend it on booze, I promise. Being a patron's a good way. Spending money at the Southern Gals for merch is another

good way. This makes me wonder, though. We don't have anything in our cart that is like you know, MK Ultra or government BS. We might need to amend that?

Operation Mungoose t-shirts with a mongoose in night vision goggles. You can sell me on the idea as soon as we talk about what Operation Mungoose is, because that's one that I wasn't familiar with. It's terrorism. Just terror. I mean, just garden variety of terrorism.

Does that really rise to a level of being noteworthy on the scale of things government has done? State-powered state-sponsored terrorism? So, no, you know, just normal terrorism. Yeah, I mean, like, isn't,

most terrorism state sponsored at the end of the day? I'm just saying people like Kennedy less when they learn about it. Ooh, spicy. Mm-hmm. And Cypress Survivalist. At the Cypress Survivalists, we're going to have in November, we are probably not going to talk about government nonsense unless I get enough whiskey at me.

Then that and a campfire and some cigars and, like, everything's on the table. God only knows what will come out. that's accurate now two topic five minutes in the government did what because this is yeah this is the reaction i get when i talk about some of this stuff to like my normie friends first of all quite a few of them like start slowly edging towards the door and then some of them start looking at me like i need to be checked in for a well visit and then a couple

of them get violently angry and that's when I know I found my people the best though is when you get that phone call at three in the morning two days later and they're like dude I've been down a rabbit hole didn't what the fuck didn't I tell you about the rabbit hole

I went down when I found this very first sub-topic I was literally like just Googling stuff the government has done and came across some of stuff I'd never even heard of before and told my wife, who, by the way, for those of you who met Mrs. Matter of fact, she is like the most tight, be, chill, relaxed person you can imagine. She, she was unhappy.

Well, because she cares about people. Yes. That's the read I get from your wife. She cares about people. Most people. She's like me. I like individual people. Oh, yeah.

People as a large group annoy me. But I like individual people. If I had to choose between a large group of people and a small group of dogs, I'm picking a small group of dogs pretty much every time. I mean, to be fair, I like dogs better than 99.99% of the Earth's population. Yes. And that's not even a bad thing. That's just fair. Yeah.

Anyway, so, how about we start with the one you've never heard of? Operation C-SPAN. I have no idea. So, hopefully I have this. this preloaded onto my phone because I want to make sure I don't misquote some of these things, even though I'm going to completely butcher the name of these two bacteria. But basically, Operation C Spray was a 1950 U.S. Navy experiment that was an attempt to find out how susceptible one of our major cities was going to be to a biological weapon.

So to test the theory, they parked a Navy ship off the coast of San Francisco. And they sprayed a pair of bacteria into the air in the direction of San Francisco. And then they measured how, like how, what level of particulate they found of these bacteria in San Francisco. And what they determined was that not only was it amazingly effective, but that they had blanketed not only the entire city of San Francisco, but the entire Bay Area in these bacteria. Now, yeah, I know what you're thinking, Nick. Obviously, they would have picked a bacteria that isn't going to make anybody sick, right? no they're going to pick the easiest one to culture yeah well what they picked that's my guess what they picked was two bacteria i can't even pronounce and i'm i'm going to try but what i will say is that

what wound up happening was that 11 people the next day checked themselves in the hospital with extremely severe and extremely rare and severe urinary tract infections huh one of these people now 10 of the 11 recovered one of the 11 died several whole weeks later apparently he'd recently had an operation on his prostate and the infection spread to a heart valve and it wound up killing him so when all of this when all of this gets released later on in time his surviving family sues the government because you know rightfully so you all spray this bacteria into the air, a bunch of people get sick. He dies of this bacteria.

He dies. Yeah. District court threw it out because they said that the family had not proven that this specific bacteria the Navy had released in the area had caused the urinary track infection, which led to this man losing his life. And they appealed it all over to the Supreme Court who denied cert. Interesting. Yes.

So now, I understand. Somebody out there is going to say, okay, but fill but fill the juice is worth to squeeze we have to know what would happen if a biological weapon was cooked off in san francisco so what better way to test it than to spray bacteria all over a major city just to see what happens i mean tax dollars well spent you probably could have sprayed something else i don't know like a water soluble die dude we are we are talking about the same government that did everything else on this list i mean do you think they would spray a water soluble die absolutely not we're going to spray a freaking communicable disease that's the perfect way

to test this theory well i suppose you are trying to test what would happen with the communicable disease being sprayed turns out they did a crap job i guess because they only harmed 11 people that we know well i mean they couldn't kill a whole city of people couldn't they could have but then somebody really would have got upset and see i that depends and their budget might have got cut No, nonsense. They'll just call it a false flag, blame it on whatever country we wanted to invade at the time, and then call it square C's fine. Well, that would you might have been. Operation C Spray.

I had never even heard of that before I started going down this rabbit hole a week ago when we picked this topic. And I found out about it. And I was, I was shocked and that should tell you something because I don't think I surprise easily anymore. I'm pretty jaded at this point. Like you could tell me that the, you could tell me that representatives of our government literally. like take beagle puppies and stick their heads in boxes and let maggots eat their faces off oh wait that happened sand flies sand flies sorry let's be accurate in the name of it don't don't worry they they cut out their vocal cords because the researchers were getting distressed by hearing that the puppies cry and that was remind me again the CIA no that's the department of health yeah services nothing nothing says department

of health like letting beagle that's dr fouchy yeah yeah anyway so the same government that did that to puppies did this to an entire city full of people and it's just like whoopsies i guess yeah so next up operation mockingbird yes so oops we're tripping over each other so operation mockingbird's kind of an interesting one because like most of the things on this list have actually been declassified and admitted to Most of the documents got burned, obviously, because you can't let the people know too much of the things that the people should be knowing about because people run the gun are supposed to have the power and yada, yada, yada, yeah, that whole really idealistic thing. But this is still in the realm of conspiracy theory, because it's alleged it's not proven yet. Sure.

However, so before I play this video clip, Operation Maki Bird was an attempt, allegedly. I have to keep using the word. To control the media, to control the narrative given to the people. Now, some of you out there are saying no doveville and some of y'all out there are saying, but that's not possible. That's never happened. That's never been admitted to. You can't prove it.

And you're right. I can't. I'm Foxx-Sin Antonio's Jessica Headley. And I'm Ryan Wolf. Our greatest responsibility is to serve our Treasure Valley communities. The El Paso-Luss-Cruces communities. Eastern Iowa communities. Mid-Michigan communities.

We are extremely proud of the quality, balanced journalism that CBS4 News produces. But we are concerned about the trouble that's trying to be irresponsible, one-sided news stories plaguing our country. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media.

More alarming, some media outlets publish the same fake stories without checking facts first. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common. on social media. More alarming. Some media.

And this is extremely are true without checking facts first. Unfortunately, some members of the media use their platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control exactly what people think and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. Well, if that don't sound like a script. So I am going now see normally what happens when I cut this up for the audio

only listeners. Usually y'all don't get to see all the extracurricular stuff because, you know, it's just seeing a thing doesn't really work well on audio only podcast, but I'm going to make sure I include the audio from that clip. Because there's something extraordinarily terrifying about the idea that

this is an alleged government program. It is not supposed to have happened. It's not supposed to be real. And yet, you can plainly hear multiple news networks at virtually the same time saying the exact same news networks news networks supposedly on opposite sides of the political spectrum ABC CNN CNBC Fox now if it was all Fox affiliates sing singing the same song I could be like all right all right big Fox corporate says this is the

script today fair enough thought CNN was supposed to be the opposite of Fox news I thought the media he was supposed to be independent. Nope. That's not true at all. Although I do think we do have some interesting proof on Operation Mockingbird, Phil, in the form of artistic sponsorship. Oh, Lord. Yes.

Some of you may be aware, some of you may not be, that the CIA for years was attempting to push American ideals through funding the arts. Arabian arts during the Afghan war with Russia, the modern art rise in the U.S. is largely due to CIA funding art critics and CIA giving money to artists to try and make communism look worse. There's a few videos on the topic. It's actually pretty funny.

Fat Electrician does a great one on the CIA is behind the modern art movement, if you guys want a good laugh, but I can't, I can't see that being disconnected from them trying to do propaganda through the news. It's probably all just a subheading of a similar program. I mean, here's the thing. Let let let let let's allow for a moment, just a moment, that what we just heard was not like the literal CIA handwalking a script into the newsroom saying say this. Let's allow that for a moment. That seems. seems a little far-fetched. Nick, how many, like, you do understand, and I'm hoping the audience understands, that most of these news organizations are owned by a couple of very large conglomerates. Three to five, I think. Three to five.

So you don't really have to control hundreds of news agencies. You only have to make it financially in the best interest of a certain number of people. Or just threatened to shoot them up with fentanyl. until they jump out of a window. I would argue you have to control none of them. The only thing you have to do is only allow reporters who agree with your narrative access to confidential sources. That's all you have to do. That would do it.

And they make their career and they become the top journalist at New York Post, Huff Po, Washington Post, CNN, Fox, whatever. All these unnamed sources close to the government are probably a handful of people that are dog walking the news. I think God of the comments is kind of hitting the nail on the head. There's too much money being made, which is why local news is now just paid promotion. I mean, Mm-hmm. Didn't I tell you earlier that, like, I'm convinced that most of this can all be traced

back to like a money laundering operation and the CIA busing OPMN from overseas? Yeah, probably. Yeah, you did, you did mention that before we went on there. And it would not surprise me. It just, the, the annoying part about all this. Nick said it sounds it sounds psychotic when I say it out loud I mean it so you start it sounds utilitarian well no what I which is worse what I mean when it sounds psychotic is like like you someone could be forgiven for thinking that this is just like pure science fiction

nonsense like it sounds too outlandish but the breadcrumbs are all there and that's the part that it's like genuinely scares me it is like you well you look me the eye and telling me, Operation Mockingbird isn't real. And then I show you that. And I'm like, okay, explain that. The only explanation is that they're all either colluding with each other or colluding with the government to push a narrative. That's, that's the only explanation. Oh, all right. So let, let, let, let's get down to it. Operation. you're familiar with this one i am so operation northwoods is a proposed false flag operation that originated in the department of defense in about 1962 essentially the cia wanted

to stage and commit acts of terrorism against the u.s. military and civilian targets to blame them on cuba so essentially they wanted to blow up an american warship blame it on cuba they wanted to do some terrorism in Florida and a few other places, blame it on Cuba in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. Now, Kennedy put the kibosh on this. Suppose Kennedy was not a fan of this plan. However, Kennedy did throw the CIA a bone with Project Mungoose, or Operation Mungoose.

Forget which one it is. You will have to walk into this point, because I was not familiar with this. Also known as the Cuba Project or the Cuban Project, Essentially, Kennedy signed off on the CIA doing terrorism in Cuba, attacking civilians, military targets, infrastructure, and various other things. You people have heard of the Bay of Pigs disaster. Basically, the CIA wanted to smuggle a bunch of pissed off Cubans back to Cuba with a bunch of guns to overthrow Castro.

Well, before this and before the Cuban missile crisis, the U.S. snuck, I see varying numbers between six and 20, a lot of sources agree it's probably about 10 operatives into Cuba to train subversives into doing guerrilla acts of terrorism and committing acts of terrorism, potentially to assassinate Castro and various other dignitaries. So the U.S. was, and Kennedy signed off on this, was doing state-sponsored terrorism. Do you know what stopped it, Phil? Hmm. The Russians bringing nukes. to Cuba. The Cuban

missile crisis occurred in response to the acts of terrorism committed by the U.S. government in Cuba. The audience that's listening can't see me. I'm currently rubbing my forehead in my temples. Phil's a little upset that the U.S. government almost caused the thermonuclear

war using domestic terrorism. And let's backtrack just a little bit, back to Operation Northwest. So Operation Northwoods, supposedly, never happened, right? Supposed. Never went into place. Got scrubbed.

Somebody had a moment of clarity and said, this is a little too far. Supposedly it made its way all the way to Kennedy's desk. Okay. But hear me out. There's two things. Mm-hmm. First of all, Gulf of Tonkin. Mm-hmm.

Now, I'm not going to say that we had CIA assets on the North Korean torpedo, boats that instigated the first round of that altercation that actually did happen but I will say that we just happen to put our ships directly in the path of them and basically and like all but it hung a red cape

on the front of them to instigate that fight there are some sources that claim that we told the North Koreans where our ships would be in addition to lining them up right in front of the North Korean torpedo boats and then the second altercation the one that, like, officially got Lyndon B. Johnson into the game, that just never happened.

Never, never happened. Straight up did not occur. Robert McNamara admitted in 1975, the whole justification for why we jumped ship to get into the, into the Vietnam War, was never happened. Well, it was all part of their, the domino strategy. No, I, to defeat communism. I get that. But going back. They had to remove a domino out of, out of Asia.

and that was supposed to be Vietnam. But going back to Operation Northwoods. So they've done this before. They've done something amazingly close to this to basically like create the justification for us to get involved in a war we really wanted to be involved in. And yep, then I know this is where I really do sound

with the crazy conspiracy theorist, 9-11. There are those. I don't know if I'm among them. I haven't, you know, drank enough whiskey and gone far enough down the rabbit hole, but there are those who think 9-11 was inside job or something else, all I will say is the hijackers, a bunch of them had passports from Saudi Arabia.

They did. And a bunch more of them, if I recall correctly, I ever think they were trained in Iran or was it Syria? I think it was Syria. Maybe Syria. But you know where they were, you know where none of them came from? Freaking Iraq. I understand.

Also that. so yeah so 9-11 whether you believe it happened organically or not whether you believe it was a setup or not whether you believe that like jet fuel really does melt still beams or not say that one for another for another episode i need more booze for that that that talk but whether you know whether not you believe any of that i might have a guy for that oh i must meet this guy oh so phil all right you know i went to engineering school for like a year and a half before i decided i hated college i hated engineering and i really like playing with big heavy equipment All right. I was studying mechanical engineering at Milwaukee School of Engineering. My first major. Yeah, yeah. It's a pretty decent school, small private school in Milwaukee. Excellent bar scene.

You know, Wisconsin. I can't imagine how that was a thing for you, but go ahead. My statics professor was one of the engineers that worked on the simulation to analyze the fall of the towers. Hmm. to do the math to determine what happened. Did the buildings have a structural flaw or was it actually a jet fuel problem? The way he explained it to us, because it was a pretty big talking point at the time,

and it was kind of his intro lectured into the class was that it wasn't just the jet fuel that was the problem. What happened was, plain impact knocks that foam insulation that's supposed to keep the beams from being exposed directly to fire off the beams, okay? Some of the core support structure of the building was damaged by the plane impact, not enough to bring the building down, but enough insulation was knocked off those beams and enough beams were damaged by the plane and beams got heated by burning jet fuel.

So it was a combination of three factors coming together that caused a small percentage of structural strength to be lost by the, by the building. essentially is what happened it was a combination of three factors i mean the planes were i mean it's it's a giant jetliner it's going to do a ton of damage to the building unfortunately the the foam that they used to insulate those beams they have since changed the formula on the old formula weakens over time and causes it become brittle which is why it was flaking off after the plane hit it and why the beams got up to a slightly higher temperature, which is, I don't know, Phil, have you ever played with an oxyacetylene torch and some steel?

Mm-mm. No. Okay. So if you ever get the chance, guys, try this. Take like a four-foot piece, a three-quarter inch bar stock. You can probably hang off that bitch if you've got a clamp to the table really good. Take your oxytorch and just start heating it up. Place your hand on the other side, see how easy it is to bend it.

You don't even have to get it even close to red hot for it to start losing a noticeable percentage of its structural integrity. It doesn't have to melt to lose structural integrity. So now you have me wondering, because you know that I'm an autistic nerd, right? And at one point, I got curious and I calculated the muzzle energy of a of a main deck gun off the USS Alabama just, you know, because I got curious. And I determined it was something like 28,000, 30 odd six is going off at the same time or something like that. It was something like that. The math got ludicrous. I think it was 280,000.

Whatever was. The math got an order of magnitude above ridiculous very quickly. I'm wondering if I can calculate the muzzle energy of the 757. You probably can. I mean, you can calculate the energy of it. And it's quite a lot. I'm sure it's, I'm sure it's like. planetary collision levels of no it'd be like small meteor i mean force goes up by the square

of the velocity i think cruising speed on the seven seven's cruising speed not even talking about in a dive because it was in a dive yeah crew but i'm just saying like level shallow dive i want to say is 600 miles an hour give or take yeah raggle fraggle is going to the google as you let me know you figure it out before the end of this episode, sir, and I will put it up, but otherwise I'll have to, I'll have to be a nerd about that at a later date. And PCG is saying, um, Operation Garden Plot and Rex 84. I don't actually have those prepared, but Nick might be able to research them before we let out. Yeah. But anyway, all that being the case, let's say that that 9-11 was a terrorist attack

and the Twin Towers fell down at their own volition. You know who had nothing to do with it? Saddam, motherfucking Hussein. Well, to be fair, he had some poppy fields and some oil reserves and he was trying to get off the Petra dollar by selling and buying oil only in gold.

How dare he? I know. I know. How dare someone try to have a fiscally responsible gold-backed currency? Yes. But, like, that's that's the kind of stuff I bring. up whenever somebody starts talking about Operation Northwoods

is like okay Operation Northwoods as it stands may not have happened but false flags certainly seem to continue popping up courtesy of our government and its forces or it could...

Rex 84 is fucked okey dokey PCG has sent us down a rabbit hole shall I make a banner for this nonsense we can cover right now it's actually pretty quick but it's pretty fucked all right let a rip so rex 84 short for readiness exercise 1984 bravo was a classified scenario and drill developed by the united states federal government to detain large numbers of u.s. residents

deemed national security threats so basically in the event of a national emergency which we've been under pretty much constantly. They wanted to make a plan for state defense forces to round up 500,000 undocumented Central American residents and 4,000 American citizens. This sounds a lot like- And detain them in emergency concentration camps. This is from 1981. This sounds a lot like a replay of Japanese-American internment camps during World War II.

Yeah, they also were simulating invading Nicaragua with 15,000 troops overnight. Does Nicaragua have a lot of oil? I think it was involved in the Iran-Contra situation. Because Nicaragua was supplying the cocaine during that. Must have been mussel in on the CIA's action. Could have been. I'm shocked we haven't gotten nuked off of YouTube by now. That's got to be a record.

it's all right they'll get things going eventually guy the comments why do they want to put people in camps because unaliving them on mass is not socially palatable just yet yet yet anyway we talked oh got the comments nicarago too friendly with china it probably was at that point yeah oh we have an answer from uh from ragel 3.8 billion jewels up is the 747 no no no stop 3.84 billion jewels i refuse to use jewels as a as a unit of all right jewels to 50 cal yes like convert that into something i can understand i i'm i'm not i'm not smart enough to speaking jewels converted to 50 cows converted to like 30 converted to 22 lr that'd be hilarious we're gonna do it we're gonna do it to 50 bmg

apparently i don't have a calculator installed on this computer oh so it's 18 000 jewels 2.95 billion foot pounds that'll work that's an appropriate unit that is amazing thank you ragel that's fantastic well done sir i mean but okay i'm going back to what i said originally that's that is planetary collision levels of energy it's it is a considerably lot uh guy the comment you're right it's okay youtube already shadow bam the channel or else we'd get way more new viewers um funny so is instagram yeah funny you mentioned that um i was actually showing nick that uh some of the more recent shorts i've been posting you know to try to get the word out about the show and you know find a little bit of a bigger audience you could literally watch on the graph the the the um

out of views per over time, go up, up, up, up, up, and then what? And then all of a sudden, it's a horizontal line. Uh-huh. Like, I showed it to Nick, and I was like, dude, explain it. It said, what do you mean, explain it? Artificial throttle way. Yeah, like, you know what it is. And it explains itself.

But there's, there's no rational explanation for it. The rational explanations, they don't like our narrative. Yeah. I do have to pause a show for a second. Joe Oliveira, hello, sir, and congrats your son. just graduated boot camp yes yes excellent job next time you speak to them tell tell my little crayon connoisseur i'm proud of them hell yeah and asking what his favorite flavor is true we can send them a box every marine has a favorite crayon flavor they do i i'm allowed to

pick on marines like first of all i'm a combat vet second of all like i i grew up with a whole bunch of Marines even though I went and joined the army so well to be fair they make that joke more often than anybody else does but see okay but it's their favorite joke but but Marines joking about eating crayons is like a person of a certain ethnicity using the hard end word like they're allowed nope I understand what you're saying and I agree with you I'm just saying like those like if it's if it's a banned behavior it has to be universal Nick are you familiar with how the morality morality is universal are you familiar with how the world works rules for the not for me

yeah i refuse he's not picky on flavors he just hasn't developed his palate yet like he just you know give him time he'll he'll come up he'll figure out his preferred as long as it's not what is it not not what was the all the off brand of crayons that everybody hated getting his kids rose color or no shit there was a terrible brand of crayons

an off-brand of crayons? There was an off-brand of crayons. If someone in the audience can remind me, that'd be great because I am having a serious brain fart and I am out of gin power. How impoverished do you have to be to buy off-branded crayons? The branded ones weren't that expensive. They were not, but the unbranded ones were stupid cheap and they couldn't. Rose-art.

Thank you, Jeff. Rose-art crayons. They were terrible. Jeff and Joe both got it. Rosart. Yep. Absolutely horrible. Didn't color for shit.

The wax was way too hard, and it tended to rip the paper. They were terrible. Yeah, the light on fire are okay, though. Can't imagine why you would know that. Dude, I grew up out in the boonies. We lit everything on fire. That was called... If we weren't shooting at it or blowing it up, we were lighting it on fire.

That was called sarcasm, Nick. I'm sure you've heard that a time or two. You're a married man. You should be familiar with sarcasm. That's true. I do use it a lot at work. I'm sure you hear it a lot at home too Mm-hmm

Just a little She's not as bad as I am Uh hang on a second If military service members claim You have served in the military Is that reverse stolen valor Not my fault, my indoctrination To be a factory worker and soldier was really good

I mean look I'm not mad at anybody that didn't choose to You know put on put a flag on the shoulder And go get shot up for stars and stripes like one day, another full glass of whiskey, and we can have that conversation about how I feel about my military service. Let's just say that, you know, 17-year-old Phil and 42-year-old Phil see the world very, very, very, very differently. Rightly so. That's why they allow you to join the military at 18, because they want to get you

while you're dumb enough to run into machine gun fire. Thanks, Nick. I know it could depend on you. hey man look i i tried to join the military too i tried turns out uh asthma is and needing glasses are not great qualifiers huh well thank god they got me before all my joints went to hell right so raggle frago said thank god i got out of it to translate that into bullets it'd be roughly the same as being shot with 220 000 50 bmg simultaneously i'm gonna say this phil uh it's dead it depends what if that's thanos it's dead hit them with 747 it's probably fine it was 757 either 757's a narrow body 747's a wide body it's different uh aviation was my first i don't know airplanes aviation was my first career i mean we could talk all night about it

matter of fact you'll get a kick out of this and then we're going to go to the next bullet point um yesterday me and my wife and daughter we were watching I don't remember what, some show, and it showed a private jet on it. And my daughter just blurts out, what kind of jet is that? And I'm like, it kind of looks like a Lear 25. I don't think it has right, height-shaped engine cells to be like, you know, one of the 30 ones or one of the bigger ones. And based on this time period, that shouldn't be anything more recent than a Lear 30 ones. I'm going to go with a Lear, probably a Lear Jet 25.

And my daughter just looks at me and says, you're such a nerd. That is way too specific of knowledge. Okay, but, you know. Oh, for what you spent 10 years doing, though, you absolutely would know that. I mean, spent six years in military on aviation, several years in private, several years in commercial. Yeah, I mean, bear in mind, I wanted to be a pilot from the age of eight. And it wasn't until I realized I get awful vertigo that that was just not going to be a thing for me. I think the air cylinders going out of my chair.

I keep sinking out of frame. that's unfortunate it is i will fix that eventually by welding it into position i was about say i'm pretty i was going to say you should machine like a little sleeve or something and hold hold the air pissing in place i'm just going to take it to work and tig weld it together it'll be fine whatever gets job done oh it'll get the job done all right we've got one two we got two more little ones and then the one that we could spend the next hour talking about um regales about co-intel pro or coin tell pro as I've heard it pronounced to on the case yeah however you pronounced it back in the day during the civil rights protests and and all that jazz the government decided

that's a bad idea you guys can't have that so the FBI and the CIA started watching all of the the black panthers martin luther king all the other civil rights activists the beetles uh john lennon in specific and a lot of other people and essentially what they were doing was they were spreading counterintelligence on leaders of various movements to try and discredit them cause infighting in a couple of cases may have caused murders due to planting either real or fake evidence of people sleeping with other people's wives within the movements. One of their big targets was the Black Panthers in specific may have and some people suspect could be a could have been behind the assassination of martin luther king i mean given

everything we've talked about for the last 35 minutes not totally out of pocket to be perfectly honest i mean not out of pocket but dude not cool not cool no duh nothing we talked about last half hour plus is cool but not so far-fetched as to be out of the room possibility no absolutely not and they they they went as far as wiretapping you know civilians that they thought were wiretapping without a warrant uh citizens that they thought were involved in in the variety of these organizations yeah and and now just in the name of full disclosure because when i was uh you and i were talking about martyr made podcast and that that whole like eight part series he did on jim jones and no Jim Jones was under surveillance. But that series spiders off into the civil rights movement, the Black Panther and a lot of the same things we're talking about here. All happened at the same time period. Quite a few of those organizations, not so much Martin Luther King's, but arguably Black Panthers and certainly some of the other organizations.

Malcolm X and his offshoots before he revised his beliefs and went back to nonviolent philosophy. Well, even even the violent protest versus nonviolent protest aside the point some of these organizations were like they were not just civil rights movements

they were also outwardly antagonistically socialist left wing Marxist organizations so like in the name of full disclosure you could make the argument that CIA was targeting them because they were literal enemies

of the government but that being said you can't make a good argument for why they were going after Martin Luther King Jr. Because, I mean, he was like one of the few people in that movement that was screaming from the rooftops telling people, do not be violent. It makes us look bad.

It doesn't make our point. It does make you look bad. YouTube is blocking my ability to reply to you guys currently. But yeah, Jim Jones is dead guy that comments died real hard. Oh, yeah. He pretty much everybody there died. Okay. So I will just say, and I don't usually drop other podcasts on the show because they're

not paying me to so to hell of them. No, and all in all on. No, but Martyrmaid's a hell of a podcast. Yeah, Martyr Made podcast. They did like a whole, I want to say it was an eight part thing on Jim Jones. And if you don't have it in you to listen to like eight three, four hour long episodes, I understand. But the last hour and a half of the last episode is worth listening to. I'm not going to lie. I needed a moment after listening to all that. Because I mean, like, there's so much it's not just a retelling there's actual audio recordings of jim jones talking to his followers there's like to hear the crazy the pure unadulterated unfiltered crazy coming out of this man in the days leading up to the mass suicide event yeah it was pretty clear he'd gone

downhill oh with all the amphetamines yeah i mean it's it's it's shocking and it's stomach turning to a person who doesn't shock easily at this point. Like I would like to think at this point, I am hardened and jaded enough that not much gets to me. That episode got to me. I was, I could, I mean, just listening to it, I'm thinking of myself, I'm like, okay, so all these people heard this and they still held their babies down and forced fed them, you know, cyanide lace Kool-Aid. well you got to remember it had been many years of indoctrination at that point many years of indoctrination at that point and this is why phil is not going to join the cult because i like the ability to be a free thinker no you're going to start a cult

i don't want to start a cult because i don't want to be a center of attention for that many people that just makes me feel lucky we just we put you in a toga you've already got the beard you can pull off the messiah thing it's fine just got to get some sand Yeah, but I don't, I do wear, I do wear sandals a lot, and I do have a hell of beard, but I don't want to you are two thirds of the way to massage, but I don't, but yeah, but I'm not enough of a malignant narcissist to be a Messiah figure. Like, I think, that's the meth is for it. I think I'm a nutcase. Like, I don't know why any of y'all listen to me. Because it's amusing.

Okay. That's better than the news. Well, that's fair, but I am, I am never going to be the one to try to get all of y'all to convert to a new religion or drink Kool-Aid. that's just that's not going to i mean you might all drink yeah all that sugar's bad for you i mean you might all wind up drinking moonshine or whiskey by the end of the weekend but that's that's that's that's just good natured fun look moonshine is in american tradition as much as throwing tea into a harbor and dodging taxes how did we get from coin tell pro to here uh because jim jones is one of the people that was being uh observed that's right without warrants so yeah it'll

legal wiretapping, flagrant propaganda and lies to try to break up a civil rights movement that, let's call what it is, even if you give credence to the idea that like they were going after the more revolutionary Marxist organizations, like at the very beginning of the civil rights movement, it seemed pretty reasonable to me that people just didn't want to live in an apartheid society and they wanted to have like true equality and not just quasi equality and the CIA responded by doing their absolute best to tamp that down and out of existence exactly I don't know to me that just feels likey yeah it does it's but yeah that's the FBI and the CIA for you generally icky speaking of icky mm-hmm

Take it, you're familiar with this one, huh, Phil? Nick, I would like to think most people are familiar with the Tuskegee experiment, but for the three people in the Internet that haven't heard of it yet. So the Tuskegee experiment was a study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the Public Health Service to observe the effects of syphilis on black men. now phil are you familiar with penicillin yeah are you familiar with the fact that penicillin cures syphilis i've heard such things i'm also aware that penicillin is like very safe and very a very well-noted you know cure for many things is very cheap very stable like there's not a lot of

good reasons to withhold penicillin from a person if they have a certain type of things swimming around inside that shouldn't be there. Do you know when penicillin was officially invented? When? 1928. Four years before. And we already knew at the time this experiment started that penicillin cured syphilis. Do you know what the goal of the experiment was?

Regale me, neck. They wanted to see what would happen to you if you had untreated syphilis until you died. I feel like we already knew that before the penicillin was invented because, like, syphilis didn't just pop up on the scene in 1932. It'd have been run around untreated for centuries at that point. And it was well documented. Syphilis has been running around the Western world in North America ever since colonization, which some people claim that syphilis is a new world disease, like an American specific disease. Some people claim it came from the east. It doesn't matter.

We've known about it since at least like the 1500s. And it had been, we know what happens when syphilis kills. And it had been killing people for the best part of 350, 400 years. Pretty much the entire time. So remind me again, for 40 years, we withheld, not not didn't treat because when you know, when you have a remedy and you know it works, you don't give it. It's withholding. We end, we is a held and potentially purposefully infected people.

with syphilis. For funsy. While telling them they were being treated for a blood-borne disease. For funzies. A blood condition. Yeah, basically for funsies. And Nick, dare I ask, what happened to these men ultimately that were unwilling and unwitting members of this experiment? They all died. How? Every single one of them died of syphilis. How? Well, except for a couple that were killed by on-the-job accidents. One guy got killed in a construction accident. Thank Christ, that killed him before the syphilis did. What happens when syphilis finally runs its course? I know. You go insane. Because it eats your freaking brain.

Yep, it's holes in your noggin. Not real great for you, having holes in your brain, turns out. So just to sum this up, before we move on to, like, quite possibly the, the biggest masculine dream in this whole bunch. Mascalin's right about that. Your government. intentionally allowed a group of men, a group of African-American men,

a group of racial minorities, who in 1932, you could still make the argument were horribly marginalized and, you know, vulnerable as a, you could argue up until 1972 pretty easily. Yeah.

But allowed them to be infected with syphilis until it literally ate their brains. Yep. Just to see what would happen. while telling them that they did in fact not have syphilis they had a different blood disease that they were then giving them experimental treatments for so not only did these men die of syphilis

they infected a number of other people because they were told they didn't have syphilis they were told they had a blood blood disease a blood disorder so not only did their spouses and children then contract syphilis because if you're having marital relations with your wife and you have syphilis, she's probably going to get it too. Oh, yeah.

It means any kids born from that have a pretty high odds of catching that from their mother in utero. So multiple generations of people were killed because of this. If any of these people were blood in some cases. Yep. Depends if it got screened or not. And now here's the thing. Just as a side note, by the moment. the way. So

a handful of years ago, there was a, there was a, uh, there was a government sanctioned program to shoot a, a certain medication into a large group people. Yep. And, um, I literally had someone ask me, because this was right when the story started brewing that like African

Americans as a group were like really, really slow on the uptake for that, uh, that mass vaccination program. Gee, I wonder why. I brought this. up repeatedly to people and the number of people who've never heard of it was shocking to me but the but what happened after they had never heard of it was the interesting part 100% of them told me that never had never do that i literally googled it and brought them receipts and they they every 100% like zero percent of them admitted okay i see your point 100% of that 100% of

them either either like tore apart the source sources because it's not like this is a this is you know state secret at this point it's been declassified the documentation has been leaked many times but yeah thoroughly 100% of them either denied the sources or said they just they could they that's literally what it kept here i cannot believe that i can't it should be unthinkable it should be but this is why i used to bring i bring this up all the time i'm like you wonder why this group of people is hesitant to roll their sleeve up and get shot up full of something because the government swears they're here to help do you think there might be a reason why they're hesitant as a i mean as an entire ethnic group they might they might wonder

yeah a little bit just just like a little bit i mean i mean it was it was explicitly targeted At African Americans. Like, it, it wasn't just that they were the ones that were in the study. It was explicitly targeted at them because they said, we don't have data on them dying of syphilis. In other news. They did. There were quite a lot of people that got syphilis that were not just white Europeans. In other news, Nick, how much do you know about the anthrax vaccine that was given to soldiers on mass?

I know it was wildly experimental and questionably effective that caused a horrible range of side effects. Have you heard that it has been linked to brain lesions? Yep. Brain lesions and similar symptoms to TBIs that GWAT soldiers have in rates not seen since World War I shell shock. Not seen. Yeah. And did the GWAC vets get exposed to a lot of explosions? Absolutely they did.

We really liked breaching doors with C4. I get it. It's fun. Understandable. Slow up the door. So I have a version of this exact same conversation. Whenever someone brings up, you know, there's a lot of military veterans that didn't get the vaccination either. And I'm like, gee, I wonder why.

Gee, I wonder why. Because most of us who served in the last, you know, 20 years or so got. hit up with the anthrax vaccine. We all remember how that worked out when the vaccine manufacturer intentionally withheld safety data that would have shown that, you know, the incredible range of side effects that were present in the test group when some of which were crippling for months.

Yeah. Well, all I can tell you is that, you know, my sample size of one personal experience was the first time I got one of those shots because I was young and stupid, didn't know any better. I got violently ill, like flu, 102 degree fever. I was sick, sick, not having a good day. And we told if you got sick from

this, you should, like, at the next time you're supposed to get a booster, you should raise your hand and like, you know, bring it up. So I did. And they literally, a medic looked me in the eye and told me, you're going to get an article 15 if you don't get the shot. 20 year old me was not in a mental or emotional place to argue with that, argue that point. I was still springloaded to the sir yes sir do what i'm told position so i said okay 42 year old phil would have been like i choose or else what have you got or else i do love vegg consequences yeah i love i love or else gives you know puts lead in my pencil in the morning i love to find out what else like what do you think you're going to do i've got lawyer money now buddy i'm an adult

Oh, I don't care if I have lawyer money or not. I just let like when someone threatened me with the consequences, nine times out of ten, I'm going to, I'm going to take pause for the briefest of moments. And I'm going to ask myself, is this really worth dying on this hill? But 99% of the time,

I'm literally somebody, the last time somebody threatened me with something, I looked him dead in the eye and in the most seductive voice possible. I said, don't threaten me with a good time. That's fantastic. I made them extremely uncomfortable. comfortable it was hilarious you don't say oh joe's just noticing yes i trim my beard um my wife and i

have a standing agreement that when my beard starts to get too long she's authorized to cut some of it off and um she took like a couple inches off you noticeable it's now able to become off screen yeah well they're on screen totally i i yeah my point of view is that she sees it more often than i do so she thinks it's too long just just cut something off like she's not she did a nice job oh look my wife is my go to beard barber has been for years because

I brought to professionals and every one of them sent me home screwed up at least once Gillian has been my go to barber and I get to pay her with you know like I get to pay her with bake baked goods that works yeah

Jeff's asking if we're going to talk about Black Wall Street or the economic sanctions against Japan that caused the attack on Pearl Harbor. Hey, guess what? America did airstrikes on a minority community in America that time. That's Black Wall Street.

But no, because we don't have, I don't have enough knowledge to talk about it as well as I would like to. There, Jeff, unfortunately. But the economic sanctions against Japan, essentially boils down to Japan was going to run out of oil

to continue prosecuting the war effort if it did not seize certain territories where they could produce more oil. So Japan attempted to knock out the American aircraft carriers and Navy in one strike to give them time to seize the oil rich territories in order to continue prosecuting the war. That's basically, that's kind of what it comes down to. Between rubber and oil, Japan had to attack the U.S. to continue its military interventions in China and a few other places. So I'm rolling back up through the comments right now

to see what all we missed. And I'm taking notes because apparently we're going to have to do this again. We can do this again. I mean, we're never going to run out of material. I will attempt to look pretty deep into the bombing of Black Wall Street and the things that went on during that. We could also talk about, oh, what was it? the move bombing oh yeah the move bombing i mean that that that's not the greatest example because

it wasn't uh and obviously marks his organization but you know they were still the oklahoma city bombing that was arguably caused by fallouts of mk ultra same with ted kaczynski potentially fallouts of mk ultra and lsd experiments oklahoma city bomb who was also arguably incited by um both ruby ridge and uh the waco incident yep God, we're going to wind up on another watch list, aren't we? I'm on most of them, I think. I can't think of one that I'm not on already, but if anybody can think of a watch list I'm not on,

then I'd be curious because we could discuss how the war in Afghanistan was basically about controlling the flow of opiates into the U.S. during the huge push for opiates being given out to everyone like candy, which caused the opiate epidemic in the U.S. is still crippling Appalachia, Florida, and a lot of southern states. So I got to throw guy the comments in here real quick before we get to M.K. Alter to round this insanity out.

Having FU money is why I understand greedy folks. Followed by pay with segs, bro, is practicing the oldest profession. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. There might be some truth to how I pay for my, pay my beard barber. I mean, there are worse ways. there are there are worse ways i mean beat stick and ditches i think i think i'm definitely getting the

the better end of this deal than she is yes but you know well she has no beard for you to barber anyway um oh speaking of which um to front load the conversation i know you said you speaking of your wife having a beard no no um speaking of my wife you are going to be out of town not next week i am after mrs matter of facts has agreed to on as my co-host.

Ooh, that'll be fine. And I told her she has a full week and a half to figure out what she would like to talk about. Otherwise, I'm going to pick for her and then she'll just be surprised slash annoyed. Surprised and annoyed is the way I prefer most people, not when it's your spouse. I don't know. It's pretty fun to surprise and annoy my spouse. I get great reactions. I've met your spouse before.

I am fairly convinced she can make you regret that, that course of action. Oh, absolutely, but that's half the fun. I mean, come on, if, if, what does it spouse for if not to slightly irritate or bemuse them? Slightly irritate or permuse. All right, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let's, let's, let's, full speed ahead. Mm-hmm. We all knew we were going to wind up at mk ultra, right? We LSD for everyone.

We all knew we were going to wind up at an episode talking about government nonsense. We all knew we were going to end up at mk ultra, right? yep so mk ultra for those of you who haven't googled anything in the last hundred years i know that's stupid because google was around a hundred years ago but my point is me was an attempt by the cia to see if they could use lSD to brainwash people i understand i am i am like don't forget the hookers okay also hookers hookers hookers and lSD and i understand i am like paraphrasing a huge program and I'm kind of taking some some literary literary um oh license with it but that's in long strokes that's kind of what they did they think they just spent

decades screwing around seeing if you could dope a person up with LSD enough to get them to freaking tell you what they what you wanted to my guy he knows what I'm talking about with the hookers operation midnight climax proof the CIA has a sense of humor okay so don't you interject midnight climax at the appropriate moment all right go for it the CIA hey hey's program mk ultra has been why has first of all it's been admitted those those documents have all been declassified at least some parts of it were declassified i'm pretty sure a lot of it wound up in a burn bag, but that's just me. But it has been roundly decried as an abuse of individual rights, as a complete abridgment

of people of informed consent. It's been called an incredible abuse of power. In some cases, like not only were they dosing people up with LSD when it went like the effects of that were barely understood. Like you have to understand that like LSD was only discovered not long before this program began and it wasn't as it wasn't well known it wasn't in common usage at the time this program started using it arguably this is why it got into common usage i mean certainly yeah but it wasn't you know lSD is like probably the best known of the chemicals they were using but they were also

mixing in electric shocks hypnosis sensory deprivation things that these days we would call torture just have been ruled as torture Yeah, like literally, if you do this kind of stuff to an enemy combatant, you are guilty of war crimes. And not Canadian war crimes, real war crimes. Well, Canadians do some pretty good war crimes. I know, but this is... Look, soup cans full of hand grenades is a time-honored tradition. Yeah.

Also, allegations of sexual abuse. Mm-hmm. Your tax dollars hard at work. All this to see, what it would take... Good job, boys. What it would take to break a person. to make them do whatever you want them to do. Now, the justification for this is particularly troubling because the justification

was originally, well, we got to make, you know, if the Russians are studying this stuff too, so we have to find out what would really have. We want to see if we can make better sleeper agents than the Russians are. Yeah, at the end of the day, like, this really became the, the dope dealer's version of mutual assured destruction. Like, if you brainwash our guys, we're going to brainwash yours. Yep. Ah, yes. Jeff brings up a really great point here. Fun fact, all the alien abductions where women were inseminated with alien babies happened about the same time as M.K. Ultra.

Don't know. But one thing we do know is that the CIA and the FBI were at varying times running brothels in San Francisco during the summer of love and thereabouts. alongside of mk ultra they were they were dosing people with uh psychotics they were getting people to sleep with prostitutes to collect information on them uh they were attempting to use a variety of interrogation techniques using these prostitutes and illicit illicit narcotics um charlie manson may have been a victim of mk ultra at this point in time as well um for those that don't know Charlie Manson was released on parole, skipped parole, skipped contact of his parole officer and moved to San Francisco. His parole officer then spontaneously quit his job and moved to San

Francisco to work at a free medical clinic that Charlie Manson then brought his entire family to for weeks or months, I think it was. Every, it was a once or twice, or it was once a week or every other week. He brought all the girls and guys that were in his little cult to this medical clinic for treatment. And they all seem to respond beautifully to that because I've never seen a better adjusted calmer group of individuals. Right. I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's some evidence to suggest that Ted Kaczynski was even dosed with LSD without his knowledge back in the day. Oh, God, that would make so much freaking sense that they doped up Uncle Ted. I mean some of the stuff he writes

I mean he hits a chord on some of it but the other stuff I'm going to plug that in for another day because I have such mixed feelings about Ted Kaczynski I mean the longer I've been around the more I want to live in an abandoned shack

in the woods away from literally everyone except for my wife and dog the problem with Ted Kaczynski is like the bombing yeah the bombings it was a little bit out of pocket but random bombings of people's not cool but his criticisms of like modernity and over socialization were kind of on point i mean he was a bit ahead of his time i would say that social media has done irreparable harm to a great many people i mean look at the look at the suicide rates and teen girls alone the just absolute explosion in youth suicide so what you're telling me is he wasn't crazy he was just ahead of his time Yeah, probably. I mean, he was also crazy, but multiple things can be correct at the same time. You got to be a little crazy to just ship bombs through the mail.

That's not okay. Broken clock and all the hat raggle-fraggle hit that friggin nail right on top the head, didn't they? I mean, to be fair, Osama bin Laden had okay taste in games. Do you not see the Osama bin Laden hard drive dump? No. Years ago? Oh, yeah. somebody leaked his entire hard drive that dude loved pornography okay i'm uh intentionally not

google that later thank you no dude he had uh what was it street fighter and a bunch of other pretty okay games on his computer in the in the caves in the mountains well i mean street fighter was a cultural phenomenon of that time period it was pretty great anyway mk ultra so among among the victims, unwilling, unwitting, you know, unwilling participants. Apparently there was a thousand members of the United States military. At minimum. Yeah. Based on my experience with the anthrax vaccine, it's kind of like six one way half a dozen the other.

If they were even told what they were doing or they were just told roll your sleeve up and shut up and did it, regardless, that happened. untold numbers of mental patients, prisoners, drug addicts, and prostitutes, people who did not have the legal means to fight back against a government entity shooting them up with a psychotropic drug. You know, it's interesting about those mental health patients, Phil. You want to know where a lot of those ended up after being doped up with a shitload of LSD, the mental asylum? Guess what closed before they all died?

Oh, mental asylums. Yeah. You ever wonder why the whole... homeless population seems to hallucinate wildly, like a good number of them, especially the older ones. Also, could it be connected? Apparently, there's at least one incident that was on record saying that they administered LSD to a mental patient in Kentucky for 174 consecutive days. Yeah, that'll do great things to your brain. I am, I am bemused, astounded, and very concerned.

That poor man's bean was baked. Oh, absolutely. But I'm reading through my notes. Midnight climax, you already got that all sewed up. Here's the part. CIA has a sense of humor. Yeah. Here's the part that you hadn't heard of, though.

See, there's a little known footnote in M.K. Ultra, which is Frank Olson. Now, this is where you're going to have to allow me some literary license because there's like, there's the facts and there's what I think the facts lead to. So, Frank Olson was an army chemist. He reportedly, you know, had never taken LSD, had never partaken, which isn't shocking. Most people hadn't taken LSD at this point in time. It wasn't a, it was not a common street drug at this point, unless you were a CIA. I found the bottom.

No, wait, it can go further. This is not good. I have sunk at least eight inches. somebody said you should just use vice grips honestly i probably will just tig weld it tomorrow at work because i will not remember to keep clamping vice grips on this thing i mean it'll work out one way together but anyway army chemist never taken lSD he was covertly dosed by his CIA supervisor with lSD with a large amount of lSD and nine days later plunged to his death from a 13th story window.

Oh, no. But he gets consequences for disagree. But it gets better because, see, this is where you're going to give me some literary license. Supposedly, prior to this, he had gone to his superiors at the CIA, and he had expressed some concerns about the morality of this project, you know, where you keep a person on LSD for a hundred or seven four days and you're doping up for him prostitutes and mental patients and everything. And he asked if he could resign from the CIA. And then sometime later, he gets shot with LSD and then jumps out a 13-story window. I'm not. You can't have your, you can't have your, your agents, uh, resigning and then talking to the news.

Now, see, that would be inconvenient. I'm not saying. I'm not alleging that I am. Hang on. Hang on. Don't beat me the punch. I'm not alleging that this man got LSD out of existence by the CIA because he didn't. He dared to express some concerns about Icarus flying too close to the sun and the morality of the project.

All I'm saying is, it's a hell of a coincidence. It's a hell of a coincidence. It is. It's very coincidental. Guy that comments says, don't trip in skyscrapers. I would say don't be in skyscrapers at all if you criticize Putin. should we should we circle back around to what I said at the very top of the show where I said that I don't lift weights I'm a hell of a good swimmer I have no no expectations of self-harm and I know nothing about the Clintons like let's just cover all the bases let's just cover all the basis I mean we've already been throttled so there's no reason for them to you know Clinton list us unless this is the one episode that just takes off which I don't see happening that'd be fine Anyway, so what else do you want to say about MK Ultra?

I mean, you know, there are allegations that this was used to train sleeper agents that would snap and kill somebody or commit mass mayhem with a code word. There are allegations that this was just being used as like a package of enhanced interrogation techniques. Well, it was used for enhanced interrogation. It was also attempts at mind control and different forms of hypnosis. So they used sleep deprivation combined with LSD and intense interrogation techniques in order to prime subjects to do whatever they happen to want. Now, if you mess with somebody's head enough, we know you can prime somebody to violence. I mean, look at the indoctrination of child soldiers in the heavy drug abuse that they put them under.

I mean, that's a guaranteed way to make a kid extra violent and to respond to calls to violence. Yep. Hop them up on methamphetamines enough. They'll do just about anything when you. Oh, yeah. Give them a bump of Coke. Send them out with an AK. That works.

That works everywhere. Why would it not work with LSD? So before we round this one out, I don't know if you remember I brought up when I was doing a research for this show, the Monroe Institute. Yeah. Okay. So the short version of that, and that needs to be a short version, because we'll be here for 15 more minutes. But the Monroe Institute was founded by Robert Monroe, and the idea, like this man had started off by having out-of-body experiences. And he parlayed this through self-led research into an entire methodology that he claimed allowed him to astorily project.

Now, so he claimed. Hang on. Let me just, let me just lay it all out there. And then I'm a hitch with the punchline at the end. What he claimed was that he was able to go on journeys into the spirit realm. And some of the things he said about what he saw in the spirit realm were independently, I don't want to say independently confirmed, but they lined up with stories of people that had out-of-body experiences.

Sure. So you draw your own conclusions for that however you like. a group of people actually attempted to use his research, his methodology to astrobi project. Some of the information that they were able to provide while astrally projecting honestly kind of boggles the imagination in mind. I wouldn't say it's conclusive proof, but these were able to,

they were able to draw maps of military installations that they'd never been to, places that were highly classified, close off to the public. Like they were able to bring forth information that there was no rational explanation for how they were able to know, except that they said, my spirit left my body and I went to this place and I saw things. The punchline to all this is that a substantial portion of the money used to set up and fund the Monroe Institute in its founding days was courtesy of the CIA. It was. Because they wanted to see, was it legit?

Could it be done? Is it possible? Oh, gee. So, okay, here's the thing. Do you know why the CIA started investigating spiritual phenomenons, offsite viewing and stuff like that, astral projecting? Do you know why? So the CIA, as part of a counterintelligence operation against Russia, leaked documents leading Russia to believe that the U.S. was investigating this as a potential technique to cause the Russians to investigate it. The Russians did start investigating it. But the thing is, the Russians started putting a whole shitload of money at this. And so the CIA said, well, wait, wait a minute. If they're that serious about it, maybe they're getting results. We need to actually really research that.

So the CIA played themselves through playing Russia. And yes, Joe, the Brad Pitt movie, Men Who Starr, Goats is part of this whole thing. Was it Brad Pitt or was that George Clooney? I don't remember what either one of them look like. Nick, but it's Men Who Sterec Goats is the title. Men Who Sterecote is definitely the movie,

which by the way, probably not exactly historically accurate, but hilarious to watch. But yes, that is what Jeff Jagg just said, Clooney. That's who that's whose head I thought I saw. Show us how much I know actors. Well, but this, this, this. I think maybe you got the two stuck together because of like Ocean's 11 and all that that old series where they're both in it.

But anyway, they did make too many of those movies. Jeff Jackson, it might be both. Anyway, they do tend to work. Men Who Stare Goats is absolutely hilarious. But yes, that's where that's where that movie kind of underpins its own. Mm-hmm. And got it comments. They don't give them stimulus because it turns them into Protonaut N-ZT.

I think that's supposed to be Nazi, where they use 100% of their brain and body to become unstoppable. I'm not a caffeine addict. I can stop whenever I want. I am also not a caffeine addict. I drink caffeine because it is an adult. Male is an adult performance enhancing drug. Well, by that logic, so is Ritalin.

Fair game. Which point? I mean, I know a lot of people that did recreationally use that in the short time I was in college for performance enhancing. Fair game. What you got? All I'm saying is if you're going to let the kids with a brain condition use performance-enhancing stimulants, let everybody else. Yeah, I think I'll just stick to, you know, using large amounts of coffee to medicate my ADHD and autism spectrum. I was heavily abusing Monster in college.

I was buying flats of that shit. Fortunately, I undeveloped my taste for Monster. It just didn't buy with me. But I used to drink... I was drinking like four of those a day. I used to drink for a hot minute. I used to drink the Monster Java's, which really don't... I never tried those.

They don't really taste like coffee. Classic green was my go-to poison. Oh, yeah. Anyway, so that's along in the short of, like, the Monroe Institute through ties to the CIA. Like, the CIA was literally pumping money into this to see if you could astrol, you project so they could go spy on the Russians. And interestingly enough, a whole paper was declassified and released. There was a 26-page paper that was written to detail all this. 25 pages of it were released by the CIA.

Notice I said 25 out of 26. Page number 25 was not released. Now, interestingly enough, someone noticed this when this was originally declassified, and they said, hey, we want page 25. the CIA literally told the the voting public that there was no page 25 and that it was misnumbered that page 24 went straight to page 26 until Robert run row himself who had a copy of the report released page 25 independently there is no page 25 yeah well I will just say that that's the most CIA shit ever I will I will just say that like if you're at all interested

and that kind of stuff like Google Monroe was to page 25 like Google all that stuff and go down that that that own little rabbit hole I will just say that like the whether you believe it or not the conclusions that were drawn are

kind of shocking I mean Robert Robert Monroe basically came out of this experience whether you believe it or not saying that like the spirit world does exist the supernatural world does exist there is something beyond the veil we can't see we can't touch it but we can see it and whether you believe it or not is irrelevant the CIA believed in enough to put pump millions upon millions of your

tax dollars into it to see what was there yeah you know the problem i have with these studies with with what these people have done is yes you do get similar reports of auto body experiences among Western individuals that undergo these rituals and these hallucinogenics, but we're not controlling for cultural context. We're not controlling for cultural context. Of course, when they have a hallucination, it's going to be somewhat similar if they have a somewhat, if they have a very similar cultural context to these things, to religion in general. And let's be fair, at the time period,

this was being this was being done largely a judeo-christian focused group of people i want to say i remember that monroe was actually an atheist but i could be doesn't matter he grew up in a judea he grew up in an arabic not arabic american nice so all of the all of the all of the cultural mores all of the cultural touchstones all circle around whether you like it or not, Judeo-Christian theology and theology. And just the images thereof.

I mean, think about it. Why does everybody, when they, when they hallucinate, they see halos around people's heads? It's a common cultural touchstone. No,

I mean, fair argument to be made. I'm just saying, like, it would be interesting to repeat this study in like, sub-Saharan Africa or say India or the Philippines well not the Philippines because that's really heavily Christianized too

darn darn missionaries they ruined my study oh if we could get those those people on the island that always shoot arrows at the helicopters that would be great but we'd have to give them a bunch of hallucinogens which would probably be you know unethical I'm pretty sure the CIA is certain to see how this CIA got to this point. I'm pretty sure the CIA is already on route. Right. What? There's people we haven't dosed with LSD. E. Gads, man. But yeah, man. Like, that is, that has been the sum total of, like, the, the freaking nonsense I've been digging into for last week.

Like, this, any discussion about secret government programs that have been declassified just devolves into a rabbit hole. almost immediately because like even me being someone familiar with some of these topics, you find more stuff every time you look. Even this afternoon when I was reading up on some of this stuff, I was still learning stuff I had didn't previously know. It's it's like you know a lot about MK Ultra. But when I was like, hey, have you ever heard of Frank Olson? You were like, who's that?

Yeah. See, that's the problem is you had hundreds of thousands of individuals potentially affected by this. At the very least, it's tens of thousands that we have the records that say, yes, this person was dosed with LSD between this time period and this time period with these doses just for this long. Yeah. Great. And, you know, the one thing I've always wondered is the hippie movement. Did the CIA purposefully push LSD on the hippies in order to discredit them? Because, let's be honest, the CIA has pushed drugs on people for worse reasons before and since.

Like the crack epidemic and the Iran-Contra shenanigans? Oh, yeah, we got to give weapons to the Contras. I have Iran-Contra on S-Hero as a follow-up for another day. Yeah, I will just say this much. We have to sell crack to the inner city poor in order to fund weapons smuggling because the government It won't give us money to. I will just say this much before we started walking this one out. So some years ago, an associate, I wouldn't call him a friend.

We knew each other. We had mutual friends. But an associate of mine pointed out to me something that is really like, you ever hear something in passing? And it just kind of like, it's, it digs itself in and it won't let go. He pointed out to me, he said he has this term he uses for mostly boomers, where he calls them hippie-crites. A portmanteau. of hypocrite and hippie because he said these were the people who were all about like you know love is love and freedom and you know everything was sex drugs and rock and roll and fighting the man and everything and the minute they elevated themselves to middle and upper middle class they got a little bit comfortable they got in this nice managerial jobs got fat and happy all of a sudden they started they started the movement of dare and they started demanding criminalization of control substances and they sucked all the fun as society and then they started and then you know basically he was like

the minute capitalism got its hooks into them they totally forgot all about this whole you know four of the people down with the millionaires bull crap and started deep throat and boot left right and center how dare you disobey me now that I have power that's what it was that's what it always comes down to it doesn't matter if they had the money it's how dare you disobey me now that I'm the adult yeah so that's what it is so to you disobey me now that I'm the adult yeah so to your point about did they did the CIA give them LSD to to discredit, give them drugs to discredit them. I would argue they didn't have to. They just had to do exactly what they're doing, what they do to the media, which is you got to play ball to get the dough. True.

Could have been. Somehow we managed to tie this whole thing up in a nice big old bow all the way back to the beginning. True. But yeah, I appreciate everybody that stuck with us through this wild tangent-filled stream. Yes. This has been like an hour and a half of one tangent, roughly dovetailed into the next. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't tell you that, oh, next time we'll do better. No, no. Every time we talk about this kind of stuff, it's going to be absolutely just as crazy as the last time.

I will say that good. For the both of us having done a moderate amount of drinking, we kept this bus on the friggin, on the road pretty well. We could drink more heavily next time. Oh, that sounds like an awful idea. We should definitely do that. Sure. I do have work tomorrow, though. I do have to get up at 4.30.

So another week when I'm off on Friday would be the perfect day for extra shenanigans. Yes. Yes, it would. But we'll go ahead and close this one out. Seven people stuck around for the stream. I appreciate y'all. And for everybody else this list, that's either watching this or listening to this on the back end. I appreciate y'all sticking around.

Get in touch. us know what you're into if you're into more conspiracy theory stuff we will probably take that up if you want us to shut up and get back to preparedness up we might do that or we might disregard it really just kind of depends on where we want to go because the patrons fund the show and the patrons give us our marching orders drink heavy discuss ruby ridge and waco is it joe is it really is it really phil gib put on another government watch list time again yes i mean I believe the former ATF director was a person shooting at women and children at one of those two. He took a picture in front of smoking bodies.

That tells me all I need to know about the man. You two are both on word rations. That's fine. I'm trying to behave myself. Oh, ragel. We can talk about the Las Vegas shooter. There's some questions there. There's some questions about the Trump attempted assassin.

Okay. So if not next week, then another week. We'll find that one last government watch list. We're not already both on. I thought we were going to talk about fun recipes next week. Oh, we'll see. We'll talk about it. Taste of food.

All right. Matter of fact is going out the door. If y'all have a preference of what we talk about, you know i'd get in touch with us otherwise you're going to leave it up to me and nick and the patrons and we will make a decision truth good on everybody talk you later bye tonight You're going to be able to be. Thank you.