The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: The Militia Act

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfax podcast on the Prepar Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MOFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Ravley, Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter Facts podcast, Phil and Nick are back behind the mic. Andrew is not with us tonight. Andrew is going to be on a vacation for a while because he misunderstood the topic when we started talking about the militia act.

And I understand he wandered onto a local National Guard base and asked tomorrow a tank. So I have been out of the National Guard for a very, very long time, but I'm pretty sure that's still frowned upon pretty heavily. And I don't think he's going to be joining us anytime soon. Generally speaking, unless you are currently portraying op-for, absconding with military equipment is frowned upon. Yes, and if you are portraying op-for, you don't ask to borrow a tank, you do hood rat things and you steal tanks. Or in my grandfather's case, a bunch of 30 caliber machine guns. I'm pretty sure he also stole a tank. You just didn't hear that part of the story.

I know there was a truck that was also absconded with, but not a tank so far that I've heard. Though he has gotten a little more liberal with his stories in his later years. So what I'm hearing is, ply him with some moonshine and maybe you'll get the full gear list of what he ran off with. I would imagine it was extensive and heavy if he needed the truck. Yes, yes, yes. Anyway, welcome back to Matter of Fex podcast, the show that is 100% patron funded because this show has bills and bills get paid by sociopaths. And those sociopaths are not only me. So to all the knuckleheads who count yourself among our home star patrons and actually think the show is worth a buck, I appreciate y'all, Nick appreciate y'all, it lets us keep coming back to do this kind of nonsense every week.

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We don't want to over professionalize it. This is an enjoyable hobby for us. So November the 14th and the 15th, Cypressurvivalists is doing their next event. It's going to be a camping trip out at Boguchita State Park in South Louisiana. And this is kind of going to be similar to like the matter of facts. patron trip in the fact that I'm not buying your campsites. You have to kind of rum at your brung and make your own arrangements.

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classes or something. It just kind of depends of what the vibe is. Like, I am not averse at all to, you know, doing a variety of things out there or we can all just sit around and, you know, have a drink and a cigar and BS and get to know each other. I'm kind of okay either way. Although I have been grilled pretty extensively by Stewart about how we must teach classes every time. I'm with Stewart on this one. I don't think it should be all classes because there's a lot to be gained from just a paling around to fire with everybody. It's just making the connections. people in your environment is to me is the key behind what you guys are doing and yeah the classes are great and i think you should do a class maybe maybe a class a day something short something that you either you can go in a little more depth than you did in the intro thing that you did or say a new hey you guys might want to think about this class oh yeah i mean one way or the other i i the thing of it is is that like between the four of us that are all board members we each have our area of expertise and like we've had multiple people as from like gillian to take her herbalism and her

nature her nature class and expand that further because that'd be great you and I both know like there's no end to the things you can harvest from nature there's no end to it we just found out recently you can eat the bull rushes that are growing in my backyard they're actually they taste like carrots man what's a bull rush I'll take a picture and send it to you. It's like a cat tail. It's a certain variety of cat tail. Why didn't you say it was a cat tail? Because it didn't come to mind immediately. Oh, my brain's not firing on all the cylinders. I had to stop caffeinating at about 4 o'clock because I ran out of coffee. Wait, wait, wait, wait, stop the show, stop show. You what? Well, the pot's empty upstairs. That's

that can be remedied. I know, but I get yelled at if I make more coffee after four. by who by my wife doesn't your wife know that the application of coffee leads immediately to happiness and away from homicide it does it does you know she's always telling me i need to not end up in prison then that means you need coffee at all hours of the day in my opinion we'll find out i mean maybe this will convince her yeah i mean i i i stopped drinking coffee at three points in my life about an hour before bed immediately before I'm about to have my blood pressure taken only because they won't let you bring the coffee into the room and I plan to stop drinking coffee about five seconds after I go to meet my maker that's fair I mean that's fair you might as well finish the mug before you go well I plan on it so the militia act what is the militia act

this came up recently not just on the podcast but I actually and I'm kicking myself that I didn't take the moment to like write this down. But like I was watching some politicians and some newspaper reporters recently that bantering back and forth about something about gun rights. I'm pretty sure it was about the big beautiful bill and the fact that the, the, the, oh, the, the tax stamp fees got reduced to zero and some people had their had big feelings about that. And this politician, to his credit, actually brought the Militia Act in front of the media and was like extolling the fact that, you know, there is still a law in the books that says that people are legally required to have this, this, this, this, and this and this. And I was, many of you are out of compliance.

Yeah. I leaned back on my chair. I was really, really shocked. I, I'm not used to hearing my words come out of politician's mouths. I don't yeah usually they don't allow people like us to get elected well but but you know Nick you you've said before you feel like you know CERN fired at the large Hadron Collider one too many times and spat us off into another timeline and I'm starting to think there might be creeds to that because this is definitely it off and it keeps getting weirder this is definitely a 10 out of 10

weird timeline to grow up in it is we got to deal with some chat we got to deal with the chat before we move forward. Oh, for sure. Jeff Jag, good to see you again. Raggle, fragel, good to see you too,

sir. Someone named Rachel said Nick gets very squirly if he drinks too much coffee. I prefer to think of it as fun. I get more fun. What is squirley?

Squirley. So I'll hit the point of caffeine where it stops minimizing what is probably undiagnosed ADHD, and it starts making it worse. That sounds entertaining. We should see that. It's great. It's great. I love it. No one else can follow a single thing I'm talking about because I'm on four topics at once. Have you ever had that

moment in your life where like you say something and it makes complete sense in your head? But the look on the person's face you're trying to communicate to indicates that you said something in a foreign language. Yes. It happens a lot. I thought maybe that was just me with the undiagnosed autism spectrum. But apparently that's just a whole bunch of us poor neurodivergent SOBs. So Jeff brings up generic cat tails tastes like a potato with a carrot texture. I thought it was almost the opposite. It was more of like a undercooked potato texture with a carrot taste. But that might just be the species that's in my yard.

This strikes me very much like everything tastes like chicken because chicken tastes like everything. Yep. Or because, you know, nobody can figure out what chicken's actually supposed to taste like. Oh, the Matrix analogy again. I'm just saying. Well, all I'm saying is if a dude and a chick show up

in tactical gear in black vinyl, like, I am definitely willing to be unplugged. Just putting that out there. But anyway, so the Militia Act of 1792. Like, in the name of full disclosure, for those that have watched the show for a long time,

like we've talked about this before. This is not the first time, but I'd like to bring it up every now and then because it bears pointing out i feel like it's very instructive because like there's still to this day this enormous i think dishonest argument about what the second amendment really means it really says there is but this is a lot more words and it was inked it not long after the second amendment was ratified so i kind of feel like if we have a law that's the tiny little bit ambiguous by their measure not mine and then we have another one that says thou shalt have rifle and munition in your house are required by law to own to shoot tyrants that might be a hint yeah a and

it and not just a firearm in your home a serviceable musket for that you know so not not just like the 22 caliber of muskets a service musket they they didn't want people being undergunned. And there was nothing in the Militia Act of 1792 that tells you, yeah, but you don't get to own a cannon. It was bare minimum is a rifle cartridges and a quarter pound of powder. But the recommended gear was higher than that. And you're right.

There was no upper limit at this point. Like it was common for people to have private warships loaded with cannons just to cruise around the harbor. In fact, private warships were the. founding of the u.s navy yes and if it weren't i i love to point this out we okay bear with me undiagnosed autism spectrum go for i have i have to add topics we're going to do an episode where we are going to talk about the pirate jean lafitte and wide and wide new orleans was not conquered by the british just good stashing away for another day we're going to talk about it's a great story

we're going to talk about pirates throwing in with the with the fledgling continental congress it is a phenomenal story why because they hated the british oh no no it wasn't say it wasn't the jean lafayette hated the british what he hated was being told what to do that's accurate and the mistake the british made was telling a pirate what to do so the pirate said okay in a foot race between the brits who are determined to shut me down and stop me from selling stuff to people i want to sell to and And the colonists who kind of seemed to want to tell them to go to hell sideways, I'm going to pick them. Also, the colonists were laundering all of his stolen goods. Yeah, I mean, bearing in mind that, like, most of our founding fathers were moonshiders, moonshiners and smugglers to begin with. The, the great, I think the best, the best, uh, story about this that I've ever heard was, uh, the silver, all the silversmiths in like on the, northeastern U.S., there were no silver mines anywhere in that area. All of that silver came from plundered ships, that they were re-forging and resmelting into other items that they could sell

because they couldn't just sell the Spanish currency and jewelry. So Raggle Fraggle is saying there's an excellent movie about that called The Buccaneer. I start, start Charlton Heston. Add into the left. I kind of want to watch that now. That's a vibe. I have to say, and then we have to get back to topic. But like, my favorite story of the Battle of New Orleans is the one that no one will ever be able to, no one will ever be able to confirm because it's so freaking outlandish.

It's almost impossible, but it's so cool. The story won't die. But pirates are not always accurate retellers of their tales. You know what I'm saying? Or the soberest witness. This is. Yeah. So,

supposedly, there was a moment where a pirate frigate was shelling the British, and they somehow managed to slip past the pirates, and they sailed up upstream and got out of cannon range of the larger pirate ship. Sure. The pirate ship, the captain of this pirate ship was so angered by the fact that these British were not stand and fight that they ran like cowards,

that he dispatched. several boats to the shore, drug anchor lines to the shore, and his men drug the ship upstream so they could reengage the British from behind. Now, on the one hand, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's definitely a pirate move. Oh, that's definitely a petty vindictive move, and pirates are not exactly known for avoiding those. Yeah. But on the other hand, I just think to myself, I'm like, there's, there's, there's no freaking way but if anybody could pull it off it'd be the baritaria pirates yeah i mean i wouldn't i wouldn't put it past a group of pirates to pull some shenanigans like that i mean although that being said

andrew jackson did credit the baritaria pirates as the finest cannoneers of a generation wow he said that's a hell of a thing he actually said that they were they were like two or three to one more accurate at putting fire on targets than his own men than his own cannoneers were that's pretty good what no one told them no what no one told and jackson was that the reason why the baritaria pirates were so good is because they had spent literal like they'd spent years drilling cannonballs at known ranges they knew exactly what powder charge would make that cannonball fly at what elevation like these these guys they literally when they get bored they just shoot cannonballs and stuff until they figured it out.

That sounds like modern F-class shooters. Like, we're just going to place that target every five meters. Yeah, but like I said, like, all my ballistics. But that's how the Barataria pirates figured it out. And like, to their credit, they were freaking amazing at putting fire on target. That just goes to show you that enthusiasm makes a very good soldier. Yes. or a very awful soldier

and a very good candid ear. That's true. Anyway, so the Militia Act of 1792, forgive me for the wording here. It is extraordinarily dated and of the time. It is all free, able-bodied, white male citizens age 18 to 45.

Let's step back from those words white and male for just a second and accept the fact that this is a historical law that is more than 200 years old. Yep. but the crux of it is those were that was the population of the at the time brand new united states of america that was considered to be a fighting age and that's the crux here all able-bodied people everybody who wasn't infirm missing a leg missing an eyeball or anything like that anybody could

stand and shoot a rifle and you know march was expected to have a list of military equipment that was the equivalent of what any soldier in any professional military in the world would have had at the time a musket or rifle appropriate amount of ammunition field gear yep which meant yeah field gear is the one thing that gets breezed over in this conversation a lot like it wasn't just i have my rifle and i have my you know my cartridge box it was also like no no you have to be able to like live out of a tent in the woods for a period of time because that's what soldiers do sometimes. You know, it's, it's interesting because you see in a lot of the equipment list

there that they, they actually omit a fairly decent amount of the field gear there because in the common parlance, it was assumed that you were intelligent enough to bring some of this stuff with you. Also worth pointing out, an image pulled from an old letter here we can go over.

Sure. I was going to say, also worth pointing out that this was a time when the country as a whole was much more sparse than it is now. Much more rural. You did not go out into the woods without the things you needed to live in the woods for several days. Like that was like 10 and 12 year old boys went out into the woods expecting to be out there by themselves for 12, 14 hours.

Yeah. Potentially for multiple days on hunting expeditions. Yeah. Anyway, you said you wanted to pull that. So this here for our video viewers is an excerpt from a letter. to i'm going to call it shrimpton hutchinson esquire senior it says you are hereby ordered and directed to complete yourself with arms and accoutrements by the 12th instant not sure what they mean by that i'm guessing the 12th of the month upon failure thereof you are liable to a fine of

three pounds and for every six days after a fine of six pounds agreeable to law the following equipment is what they require him to have a good firearm with a steel or iron ramrod and spring to retain the same a worm which is a way to pull a charge out of a musket priming wire and brush and a bayonet fitted to your gun a scabbard and belt therefore and a cutting sword or tomahawk or hatchet a pouch containing a cartridge box that will hold 15 rounds 15 rounds of cartridges at minimum a hundred buckshot a jackknife and tow for wadding toe is a fabric made from I think flax or linen

six flints one pound powder 40 leaden balls fitted to your gun a knapsack blanket and canteen or wooden bottle sufficient to hold one quart before we go any further while you were reading that off I was Googling

do you want to take a wild guess what a three pound fine was in 1791 converted to us dollars and adjusted for inflation i have no idea i'm guessing 25,000 oh shit 25,000 dollars a day no it's 25,000 dollars for the three pound fine and then every six days thereafter a fine of six pounds so first six pounds for every 60 days after a oh 60 i'm sorry yeah so 25 000 for the first one and for every two months thereafter that you are not properly armed 50 grand that is not even full dude i mean like that's not fucking around money that's not screwing around money but like okay so let's think about that let's say like you're a reasonable new car every two months and fines so okay but okay i i don't have it in front of me, but now I'm deathly curious. What is the current like median household income? I think it's around 48 or 50,000. I was about say I want to say it's around 50 grand.

So what you're telling me is that if if you go 60 days without having proper arms, more than a year's wages, you're going to get fine. Yeah, you're going to get fine 150% of the median household income. Yep. That is that should, okay, that like for the listeners, that listen that listened to all that freaking you know autistic nonsense thank you for sticking with me but the point is that should give you an indication of how deathly serious the continental congress was about like thou shalt go get guns yeah get get at least one immediately got to say uh recommending tomahawks that's a vibe i'm i'm i'm in with that tomahawks are fantastic it's still weird to me though that you even had to like put a gun to somebody's head figuratively to make them do the

So, because, like, this is a time period when if you lived on the frontier, you were just about obligated to have firearms just so you could survive. Are you familiar with a hearth gun, Phil? I'm familiar with the term. Isn't that like the grandpa, grandpappy's old musket or rifle that sits above the, the hearth? Right. And a lot of them were small caliber. And you know what they were used for most often? Like squirrel shooting?

Yeah. if you were in the house doing house chores and you saw a game animal going by, which was anything on four legs, wings, fish, feather, whatever, you grab the loaded gun, pop the sucker, that's going in the pot tonight for dinner. Raggle, fraggo, sail into our rescue. Annual income in 1776 was roughly 13 pounds. Interesting. So three pounds and six. So even back then, you're not.

nine pounds, that's, that's most, that's the majority of your yearly income. Yeah, that's, that's brutal. Anyway. Nice. So like I said, like, how do we keep derailing ourselves and then having to get ourselves back on topic? Oh, because there's too many cool ways to derail on this. That, that, that's true. That's true.

So there were some people that were exempted from this. there were so Congress was exempt stagecoast drivers and ferry boatmen and when we in the very next minute when we start fast forward

to the 21st century I'd like us to reexamine this list and figure out what our modern equivalency is but you know like the way I read this is that Congress is exempt I don't know why

because they don't friggin do much of anything anymore but stage coached drivers and ferry boatmen are necessary for transportation, which if you're trying to ferry a militia from one part of country to another, you kind of need those guys. You don't want all your ferry operators to be in the militia. You kind of need all those guys. So like the way I read this is, is that like critical transportation logistics are exempt

because we need you to do what you're doing, which is move people and things places. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that would have been. Yeah, well, we can cover it when we get to the next part. Yeah, but before we do, and I don't have a banner for this, but we need to talk about, I'm going to skip the Militia Act of, what was it, 1808, because it didn't change a lot except it refined some of the equipment to more modernized stuff was a lot of it.

And it did exempt a few more people. I believe it was police officers and stuff like that. Yeah, that and I think it was I think there was I think there was one more militia act I want to say it was 1865 is one where like African Americans were specifically now included in the militia.

Yeah, I want to say that it was 1865 but the reason I'm lumping all those together is because none of those were a fundamental change to the idea, the spirit of the militia act which was if you're an able-bodied male of fighting age, You better have stuff to do hood rat things if your community calls upon you to do hood rat things on their behalf. That was a baked in societal expectation even before it was codified into law, but it was codified into law and given teeth in the way of fines because you're supposed to do these things.

Yeah. And we get around to 1903 and we kind of take the barrel of monkeys and flip it upside down and start shaking it with the dick act. Now, in the intervening time, there had been. a couple instances where, like, the president of the moment called for a local militia and was told by the governor to go to hell. Yep. Happen a couple of times. Presidents do not traditionally take a, take a, you know, they don't take very well to being told

go to hell. True. So eventually, the Dick Act, the Militia Act of 1903 was passed, and this did a couple of things. First of all, it apportioned federal funding for the National Guard, which is current to this day. with that came the understanding that if the president says get your asses over here they get their asses over there this is where like i think it's title 32 comes in yeah the federalization of the national guard so for me and my fellow national guardsmen who got like got orders to go to iraq or at orders to go to afghanistan during g wide that's what happened was that the federal government said we're taking your national guard assets we're doing with what we want and from the moment those orders were HUD, we were payroll by the federal government. We got treated as big army, as

active duty army, until we were released back to National Guard status with, you know, with a DD-214 released from active duty, because that's literally what happens. They released you from active duty back to national reserve status. But anyway, the other thing that happened,

and this is the part that I really love to point out, like this is stump moment for me. This separated the militia as a concept, into two separate chunks because now there is the organized militia, which is the National Guards of all the various states, and there's the unorganized militia, which is everyone else. So if you are not in the National Guard, if you are not in the Army or the Army reserves or any of the reserve or activity components of any of the militaries, you are still considered

to be a member of the unorganized militia. If you are between the ages of 18 and 45. an actual year 17 and 45 oh it's 17 and 45 so they dropped it a year interesting yes now please no one jump up and ask me how on earth we're still debating whether or not 18 19 and 20 year olds can buy handguns in this country even though the militia act of 19 we are making progress on that 17 year olds say our members of the militia making progress on that yes I know they are making progress it's just it's getting one state of the time man one state of a time man one state of time. It's just getting people to make laws that make sense. Well, you're requiring people that want power over others to give up power that they think they have over others. It's not necessarily that I'm wanting them to. I'm just kind of saying like, you know, for all of you out there in Normiland, how many more iterations of this nonsense are y'all going to have to go through before you'll start to realize that there are no good ones?

Nope. They're all bad. They're all terrible. It's just which terrible is somewhat in your best interest. Yeah. But anyway, so 17 to 45, you are a member of the reserve the reserve militia. I'm reading the act on the other side of my screen to make sure I don't misquote it any worse. Stewart will get me if I do. But the, so all of you out there between the ages of 17 and 45 who are male, you are members of the, you are members of the or the reserve militia. So if anybody ever says that you have to be in the militia to have firearms, you can just trot this out, really screw their, screw with their minds for a day. Yep. But so the reason I point all this out is because like these are, this is a, this is a current, a through line, a current through our legal tradition, where over and over and over, we as a nation have said, the militia is a thing. You are all in the militia. Because you're all in the militia, you're all expected to be able to

frigging do hood rat things on behalf of your country. And I have to keep reminding people that over and over and over so that the next time some idiot jumps up and down and starts screaming about civilians shouldn't have military-style assault weapons, you can pull this out of your back pocket and be like, actually, we are legally required. Technically, by you not, you are in violation of a federal law. And subject to a fine of three to six pounds.

Yeah, unfortunately, violating federal law when certain political parties are in power is considered quite a trend amongst a segment of our population. And when another political party is in power, this will never get brought up again. Probably. Can't imagine why. So the militia has been split in half. everyone's a member of one or the other now

how do we modernize this because I don't think I'm going to recommend that anyone have you know like a musket or a Kentucky long rifle and a box of 20 cartridges by their bedside in case the Chinese come a calling I would give

Eddie and 20 cartridges and a musket better odds than your average Chinese infantry squad. Okay, but if ever you're going to pick a ringer for a musket loader, there's the one. Well, for sure. I mean, he's a world-class marksman with that thing, and I do mean world-class. You know that a friend of yours is in rare company when he comes home from a world competition, and he doesn't place in the top three, and he's disappointed by that. Right.

I would be, I'd be chuffed to freaking bits that I actually got invited to go. Right. Bro got invited to a world class competition as a competitor. That's as enough as it is. Yes. We're going to have to get him back on the show for a couple of different topics that are in his wheelhouse. But, you know, just to just embarrass the crap out of Eddie a little bit. Like, he's, he's one more muzzleloading competitions here in the U.S.

than like any human being has a right to win. Yes. Yeah, he absolutely has. He has one more. He's got more gold medals than I have like match wins. Yeah. That's just insane. Now that we're done roasting, Eddie.

Right. So here's the question. Do we want to start with the official list? Do we want to start with the personal list? I kind of feel like we start with the official list. Yeah, let's start with the official list. I like that. And let's rip that apart.

So this is the TA50 gear list from from Benning. Army. Mill. Thank you, Google for this one. This is everything a light infantryman is supposed to have minus obviously a firearm. Like that's going to be an M16 or an M4 like make peace with it. It's not on the list. But this is the thing we were talking about earlier where we said field gear gets overlooked a lot. This is literally clothing, field gear, your pack, your stuff. This is everything you're supposed to have, except for an M4, and I was about to say a SIG, but like, let's not go there this episode.

There's a new patent out that fixes it. I'm just saying, if somebody got a patent approved to fix the problem, the problem has to exist. Yeah, fixing the problem would have been, don't get rid of the barretta. And I hate to say that because I'm not a huge fan of the barretta, but it worked, and it didn't just go off random. hitting airman. I'm not going to lie. Like the whole time I was enlisted, I didn't really see the appeal in the Breda, but here just recently that Breda A300 has really ignited something in me,

and I really kind of want a Brata 93. I mean, I am fully behind this. I mean, I'm a sucker for a double-action, single-action hammer fire to begin with, and Jesus Christ, they're just pretty guns. Plus, they duct tape to your back so nicely. I know you'd appreciate that reference. How many of our audience is too young to understand that reference? None of them.

It is the perfect Christmas movie, and I will stand by that. Actually, I was looking at our YouTube metrics today that I think like 25 or 30% of our audience is under the age of 35. Good. Then they've seen that movie last Christmas. Anyway, I thought that was a millennial thing. Oh, it probably is But, I mean, do the Lord's work Make everyone watch that video

And Violent Night every Christmas That's fair Anyway, TA 50 Gear List We're gonna stop diverting yourselves off topic One day, I swear to God I refuse to allow that So let's As soon as I stop screwing

Good Lord All of this Bear with me Yeah, anyway So, this ought to be all self-explanatory to anybody that spent any amount of time around anything pertaining to the military. But, you know, a large molly rucksack is just a big old backpack to put your stuff in. A salt pack is a smaller pack meant to where if you're, if you're about to be going into contact, you drop your big backpack and you carry the smaller backpack with you. A wet weather bag, self-explanatory, two one-court canteens, two one-court canteen pouches, a canteen, a canteen,

metal cup very very useful for all sorts of things oh yeah um sleeping mad sleep system poncho liner poncho or tarpaulin level four jackets that's just your extreme cold weather stuff that's your a vortex camo basically yeah basically that that's your that's your that's your cold weather layers for top and bottom army combat helmet ballistic eye protection fighting load carrier or tactical assault panel. This is like two generations newer than the stuff I got issued in Iraq, which was God awful. Fair and of mine, I deployed in 2004. I don't even think we had IOTV at that point. We had whatever the predecessor to that was. It was not nice. It wasn't fine. Was it the I have to look it up. I don't remember what the name of it is. What it was, I remember it was horrible. It was,

wasn't it like an inch and a half thick? Yeah, like you literally felt like state, puff marshmallow yeah yeah you looked like it too great for a static defensive position not for moving yeah wasn't a vibe no anyway and the worst part of it was was that like at the time we were still using like mollie's stuff so we didn't even have like we didn't have the the um the magazine pouches and everything that would attach directly to the vest so we were literally we put on the vest and then we would put our um our molly over top no not tack vest Alice harnesses, like the Alice belt and the Y suspenders. We put that on top.

I mean, those are good as like lightweight gear, but on top of all the other. Hey, ma'am, we were making it up as we went. It was 2004. For all of you that deployed in like, you know, 0607.08, you're welcome. We figured out a lot of that stuff didn't work before y'all got out there. So just quick to respond to this in the comments. Guy of the comments, China is about 2 billion people, so maybe 500 million fighting age men. We've got 300 million people, so 75 to 80 million men.

Problem with that is China has no force projection capacity. You're going to see the same problem with China that you see with the war in Ukraine currently with Russia. Russia cannot force project reliably. China cannot force project reliably. They are a regional power at best. Yeah. Once you outstrip your supply lines, you're all. offense is going to stop pretty quickly.

And anybody that thinks you can cheat those laws, Google what happened in World War I. Yeah. That's why the German offensive turned into trench warfare, because they got about that far, and their supply lines stopped stretching, and that's where they dug in. That was the Germans' problem

in World War II in Russia as well. Yes. There's too much Russia. There is. let's one of landmass there's just a lot of it there's too much russia well i'm sure ukraine is saying that right about now oh yes but yeah it's invading any large nation you're going to have that problem of force projection the u.s the u.s is a very rare historical anomaly in its ability to force project from world war two on yeah but that's also why i don't i don't think we're a very good candidate for invasion because like you could you could make an argument that you can make a

play for the big the big population centers you could but to to actually secure the entire country you're going to have to just you're going to have to police state the entire country from one end to the other and occupy it at a at a density that is just unrealistic well and and so here's here's the biggest problem that you're going to run into and it's a geographical one more than it is a violent population you have to deal with first off you have to go through a premier military on a coastal landing let's assume that you don't want to invade any other any other nations for this for this instance you have to do a coastal landing against a premier military then you have to fight through a mountain range on either coast pick one

neither one of those are going to be great to fight through or you have to try to come up through the gulf coast which is going to be miles and miles and miles of swamp which anybody that lives down here can tell you that is not for the weak or the feign of heart and and say you're willing to invade one of the other countries great now you gave the premier military even more warning and probably a friendly compatriot that you are invading well friendly in the case of of some of the more southern countries, but they'd become awful friendly really quick if they were being invaded.

Yes, I'm pretty sure they'll give us full use of their airspace of the drop of the hat if it comes to that. Absolutely. Please come over here and bomb these bastards. Right. Please get rid of all of them. Yeah. Anyway, I diverted myself again. IOTV

was not great, but it was already a generation newer than whatever they're talking about here that I've never even seen or heard of before. two magazine pouches So In back in my day say Magazine pouches held three magazines each I'm pretty sure the modern ones only hold two each

Because combat loads have shrunk a bit But this is a bit misleading Because like every infantry guy I've ever talked to said Yeah they carried four mags on their chest But then they had like four to eight more in their assault pack So like it's not like these guys are running alike They just didn't carry as much out exposed right because really most of those mags you're always fighting with a buddy so there's always somebody that can get into your pack while you're wearing it to get your bags yeah all right so one two quart hydration system camel bag one improved outer tactical vests iot tv with inserts and plates so they're still using those god awful things one barracks bag one tactical protective pads elbows and knees and then in the winter months you also need

undershirt, drawers, shirt, drawers, and a neck gator, which is just, you know, standard issue cold weather gear. But the point remains. So what we're talking about with all this is you need to have everything you need to not only fight, but to literally like live in the woods. The only thing I don't see on here, which to me is kind of a conspicuous thing because I distinctly remember when I was enlisted 25 years ago, you'll hold y'all's laughter. in addition to all this you would also carry a shelter half so like you would have literally a strip of canvas and a couple of ropes and some tent poles and everyone carried the same thing and two soldiers would buddy up together and you each had a shelter half which was half of a tent and you'd button the two together and marry up your tent poles and like you know the two of you together would build a little bitty tent and when I say a little bitty I mean, it was like six and a half feet long, so it was just barely big enough for you to squeeze your butt into. And it was just barely wide enough that if the two of you slept shoulder to shoulder and your other shoulder was poking up against the side of the tent, you'd fit in there side by side. For those of you who were really friendly, you could try to sleep and went on top of the other, but that was not an approved method of sharing a tent.

Warmer in the winter, though. Not approved. Nick, not approved by the Army, not approved by me, not approved. by me not approved by anybody I knew and if anybody approved it they were keeping quiet about it because that was back in the Don't ask don't tell era ah yes

but anyway so like that's the only thing I can see here that's like conspicuously absent because I understand that the likelihood of you have literally like stake out a piece of ground and sleep in the woods is fairly minimal these days I did see

in there a tarpaulum so obviously in a pinch you would use that to like make yourself a little a little hasty high to get out of the weather the standard issue poncho can be used for survival shelter too so you know these things can be accommodated for but usually the way the u.s. military operates and that's how they're building this kit for is out of fixed positions and patrolling out They're not sitting in a trench. They're not sitting in foxholes typically for long periods of time. No, that's legit.

And the other thing of it is, is that, like, based on my limited experience, the likelihood of you having to literally, like, live in the woods for a period of time is fairly minimal. Like, you're going to be, you're going to be in vehicles or you're going to be pushing from one place to another. You're going to be going to be going to somebody that has a tent. the likelihood is not that you're going to be living in the woods. But the point is this is your basic bare minimum field gear that everyone is expected to have. Now, for those of you out in listener land who count yourselves among the Second Amendment faithful, how many of y'all have field gear? How many of y'all have a chest rig or a plate carrier or have knee pads or have iPod or have any of the things we've talked about here

so that you can literally like stand shoulder to shoulder with a modern soldier and may not have the same equipment, but you at least have an analog to cover down on all those things. Like trade the Jansport backpack for the big, the big large Molly's, you know, Molly Rucksack or whatever. But the point remains, like how many of you all have thought about how do I carry my stuff to a fight? How do I exist in a forward area away from shelter for a period of time?

Because that all factors in. that is all baked into the pie that was the militia act. It wasn't just thou shalt have guns. It was thou shalt have the equipment necessary to mirror a modern soldier of the time period. Absolutely. You know, Ragel brings up a good point here. He says he has the stuff. It may not be good gear, but he has it.

Now, there are levels of gear. And I'll be the first one to tell you when I started getting into three gun shooting, pistol carbine shooting pistol shooting my gear was all 511 crap it was all stuff that you could get cheap and dirty off the internet because i didn't want to spend 1400 on pouches belts plate carrier plates and all that if i didn't know i was going to stick with the sport i've upgraded that stuff as it broke and i still have some of that stuff i mean what i have for my mag pouches would probably be laughed off as Airsoft grade

but they've survived this long I mean I've had the damn things for gosh 15 years now and see I kind of bristle at the idea that Condor that was the one I started on thank you Raggle

dude I still got I still have the condor pouches I still have a condor plate carrier it is by no means the most comfortable listen I am just sitting here waiting for Rebels Raiders to do that goddamn pre-order on the frigging vicarians they're going to be dropping my money they're going to be dropping one in m81 woodland

and i want it it's i pester him at least once a week about win pre-order damn it he's probably got to get the container inside of the nation first before he can do the pre-order uh you know that that that's fair like i in the name of full disclosure like i've never met the guy face to face we interviewed him on the show a while ago and i just it seems like a good dude i love what he's doing that's why i don't want a discount code or free stuff. I just want to spend money with him because I love supporting cool guys who are trying to make good stuff at a good price. It looks like a quality plate carrier from what I've seen of it.

Without getting my hands on it, I can't tell you any more than that. He seems like he wants to put out a good product. And a person that cares about the craftsmanship of their product tends to make a better product. Yeah. But like I was saying, like, I don't like the idea of like, it's not good gear. I'm going to tell you that 90% of people that have good gear, the shit looks like it came out of the plastic yesterday.

It has no dirt or dust. It might have dust on it, but it has no dirt on it. It's never been used. It's never been run hard. It's never been used in anger. It's not even been trained with much. Like if you have put the not good gear on your body and run dry fire drills, you've already used it harder than 90% of people ever will.

Probably. If you've used it at a, at an Ipsic or an IDPA match or a pistol carbine or a three-gun match, you're ahead of the other probably five of those 10%. And I'll also stand on business and say this. My first field gear. Because when I tell you all that when I first got into it, when I first dip my toe on the preparedness world,

I was the definition of shoe stream budget. Like I just lost 25% of my income with a career change, had a had medical bills for you know to pay for a hospital visit to have a daughter born money was tight i had a stupidly tight budget it it lived and died by like you know fifty dollars a month whether i could put money in savings that month or not it was tight but we were out of debt which didn't have you know we were kind of like pushing pushing the needle as far as risk but even then as things started to loosen up a little bit i had i had my money though as a portion towards preparedness stuff when it would finally build up enough it gets spent on something but like my first gear my first pistol belt was an old alice belt it freaking works it's cheap and you can get them any or any armly surplus store in the country and it's hard to destroy those things my first chess rig was a chike was like the chinese communist the um the you were an ak guy at the time right i was an AK guy and you know what if you take some spare

wood you have lying around and you cut just perfectly sized spacers you can stick m4 magazine you can stick p mags in that AK chest rig you just need to let you know like the AK chest the AK magazine's a little bit taller so you need a spacer so they don't slip all the down the bottom you can't get them out and then with some creative sewing and you know adding of getting rid of the toggles and adding um added Velcro and added some buckles and everything I was able to kind of like you know googe up that that old chest rig to make it somewhat modernized. I took the grenade pouches and literally like sewed one of them into a twin pistol mag pouch. Nice.

Because I realized it was a perfect size and there was enough fabric that if I ran a line of stitching right down the middle of it, it fit two pistol mags. And the other side is like a little, a little bit tiny medical pouch. You know, that's where like a tourniquet and a couple of things go. But that was like some of my first. gear that condor chess rig was my first chair was my first plate carrier because it was cheap it worked it got plenty of drills run on it it got the crap beat out of it and it's still holding it it still works so i would say that i would say that if you can check the box and say i have something to do that and you're willing to run it and work it that is more important than having the goochiest most

professional-looking gear. You know, the only thing I would add to that is start with a quality belt first. Start with a quality belt first because you, ooh, that's a good question by Jeff. So here's the thing. S-KS rig will work. Jeff Jagg is wondering if his S-KS rig will work for 556 on stripper clips. I don't have any S-KS stripper clips here to measure. I have 5.5.6 stripper clips.

Yeah, I've got, I don't have SKS stripper clips either. I've got 556 stripper clips. My concern is, like, you're not going to be using stripper clips to reload a magazine in field. Comifornians are. That's, I'm not referring to Comifornia. I'm referring to America, but die, die. Honestly, Jeff Jagg, which you might want to do, is. figure out what the dimensions for a

20 round AR MAGAR. Those might fit in a stripper, in an S-KS stripper clip rig pretty readily. I think the S-KS, the SKS rig, it was two or three stripper-clips stacked, so yes, I think

you're right, that would probably fit. Yeah. Now, I'll be the first admit that I don't, I don't have a lot of 20-round AR-Mags line around, but I do keep a stack specifically for running 77 grand Sierra Magic Kings with my hand load for my 18 inch rifle because that rifle lives most of the time

on a bipap, bipod, and a 30-round mag and a bipod don't always play nicely together. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that makes sense. But like 20-round mags probably would fit in there fairly nice, but I would also say that like, same thing I did. Like if you can find one of those old, like the four-cell Chinese chest rigs, you need a, you need a spacer for the bottom of those

it's about an inch thick and you can cut them out of like I just run a stitch down the bottom you could do that too yeah but yours you were probably trying to keep able to do AR or AK that was the reason I went to spaceers just because I wanted the

ability to like hot spot back and forth you know what I mean at the time I still ran I still kept I mean I still have the AK but now it's just a range toy but at the time I wanted the ability to jump back into an AK if need be try that

on the CHICOM rig, Phil. Essie-Tac shotgun cards. See if they fit in that shy-com rig. They probably fit, too. I can tell you it'll fit because a P-Mag fits perfectly. Yeah, and this fits perfectly in my old pouches, my old 30-round pouches. Yeah.

The chat is exploding. Guy that comments was asking, this is the one that started it. I want to know if anybody knew if used Kevlar or tires make good spall stoppers in case you need to improvise armor or improve like your steel plates. Because spalling is an issue with steel plates. That's been known for a very long time. I do know that some people have used like Kevlar layering over top of the steel plates to catch that.

Tires, fuck, man, I don't know. I mean, ranges use ground up tires to catch spalling. So, I mean, with enough of it, yeah, I guess. Yeah, the only problem is that it's not just whether it'll work, but it's how often it'll work. Because sometimes you get into a situation where, like, it'll work one time out of 10. Yeah. But, you know, like, it's about can you, can you control the medium enough to make it predictable? The, the anti-spall rhino liner coatings are good for a round, sometimes two, which, you know, if I'm getting shot, getting shot less is.

better than more so I'm going to try not to get shot but yeah sometimes you don't get that option three round burst is a thing all right so one last thing we need to chuck in here this was the thing I was kind of holding till the end because you know Nick and I were talking right before this started and for those who you who are listening to audio I'm sorry you are missing all the visuals but you get to listen to our voice so that's something but This is an article by Sandbox with two Xs, and it's talking about the small arms used by the Ukraine foreign legions. So kind of my pitch to Nick was in terms of like modern conflicts, we kind of have to look at like the ones that have happened most recently like in our lifetime. So to meet from my perspective, you're talking about Iraq, Afghanistan, because those are the wars that my country fought in very extensively.

But I think you also have to consider Ukraine and Russia if for no other reason than the fact that, like, since we're talking about the Militia Act, we're talking about an irregular group of people that are largely self-equipped who are combining, combining forces to fight in terms, and they're combining their forces to fight for the common defense. Regardless of how you feel about the war between Ukraine and Russia, you have to agree that, like, that is more to the spirit of what Ukraine is doing. Yeah, versus Russia, Russia. Yeah, I mean, now I'm going to get into the politics of who's right, who's wrong, because. Right. Well, it's irrelevant to the discussion. I mean, what we're looking at is a, is a large country attacking a smaller country. That smaller country does have less military.

They just do. So they're more likely to take up irregulars. Russia's going to have a lot less irregulars, though I believe there are some irregulars, sort of going along with the Russians. But, you know, this, this reminds me what we were talking about before we got on here. I see a lot of parallels between the Spanish Civil War, pre-World War II, and the Ukraine-Russia conflict. I think we really need to look very closely at what is going on with the Ukraine-Russia conflict because drones, yeah, the U.S. did a lot of drone stuff in GWAT, but there was no peer that, also had drones.

Yeah. Well, and that's why I really want to look more at the Ukraine, the war between Russian Ukraine, because I feel like the problem we have with trying to analyze, like, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan too much is that these were not near pure nations. Oh, God, no. Not even close. I still, I still to this day occasionally quote an infantry buddy of mine who, to this day, insists that if you're the only person in your area of operations with night vision,

you are an angry god because you know like he had night vision and his opponents did not and the the weight of that one piece of equipment made the fight so unfair it was ridiculous but in this scenario because of the because of the extensive catalog of equipment the Russian military still had in storage and in stockpile and the absolute flood of munitions and equipment getting brought in on Ukraine side by various other nations, you are dealing with two near-pure nations. The real difference here is, there was a point at which you were dealing with

professional military to professional military. That gave way once the majority of Ukraine's, you know, military had been taken out of the fight and replaced with conscripts. And now you're seeing, I feel like we're seeing Russia resort to some of the same thing because they've sent so many young men in the meat grinder. Conscripts,

And foreign military aid from North Korea and a few other places. Yeah. Still cracks me up that when the North Koreans got a whole of the Internet, they had to have... They had their phones taken away. Yes, apparently they got a little too excited. There were some repetitive stress injuries. Apparently, they got a little bit too excited with the sudden access to non-censored Internet. You know, poor guys joined the 21st century all of once and just couldn't contain themselves.

Oopsies. Whoopsies. So anyway, Ukraine's small arms. Now, in the name of full disclosure, even before I grabbed whole this article, like, I had heard some of this. So this wasn't really a surprise. But the list includes the FN, FNC, which is not, I guess, your first thought of, like, what would they be swinging around in Ukraine for armaments? The SCAR L, the C. Bren, CZVZ 58, M4s, not a shock.

M4s, numerous AK variants, PKMs, M249 saws, FN Minimis, M240 FNMag Machine Guns, CZ Scorpions, CZC, CZP10Cs, which you were kind of surprised by for a brief moment, but you know, I, you know, I didn't really think about it. I suppose. It's just not a, it's not a pistol I hear a ton of, but that's probably a regional issue. Well, and it's like I point out somebody fairly recently, because they were, they were confused, it was, it was actually European. I got, I talked to very briefly through the internet. And he was very confused about this whole CZs or hipster guns thing here in the U.S. To which I explained to him, I'm like, okay, there is kind of this pejorative, like tongue and cheek you know concept of because you know all this for all these years all the serious shooters in the u.s they shot glocks or maybe 1911s or revolvers and then you had these funny little weirdos

who had these you know CZs that nobody heard of because they weren't being sold in this country at the time they were stuck on the air side of the iron curtain and it was kind of the it was it was the fancy gun it was the gun that nobody could get and the people that got a hold of them would just talk your ear off like an autistic knucklehead about they're they're great pistols don't get me wrong I had a 97 B for a few years and I loved it by just I had to concentrate Calibers down. Yeah. But I guess I'm saying is like you, you acknowledge that that reputation is somewhat deserved of.

Oh, it is. The weirdo that brings the CZs to everything. It is definitely. Yeah. It's like the crossbed guy. But everywhere else in the world, CZs are a very common police and military firearm. A lot of police. horses around the country like literally the um the CZ oh what is it the PCR it's the um so the

PCR is the compact size CZ based on the CZ 75 but it's the compact size so it's got the short barrel that mine has but it's not a steel frame it's an aluminum frame but it's based on the 40 cows frame so it's it's beefier than the steel frame nine millimeter was because they switched to aluminum so they want some extra material in the frame make it a little strong And it was double action only with a decocker because that was what all the European police forces were demanding. That's a deliberate choice to make shooting less accurate. Well, no, no, no, it's only double action on the first shot. Oh, okay.

So the carry mode for that was half-cock notch round in the chamber. Well, that makes sense. So that's understandable. But the, now, PCR in check, don't ask me what it means. you know, in check. All I know is it translates roughly to like police pistol. Okay. But anyway, so that that's, the, the point is, is that CZs are very well, very well represented by police forces and a couple of militaries overseas.

So for me to see P10 C's and scorpions in a European, in an Eastern European conflict. Makes sense. I mean, dude, it would, it would be like if a war, if a, if a war broke out here in the, you know, on U.S. soil, what handguns would you see from one end of the country to the other? Glocks, M&Ps, Smith & Wessons. A lot of clocks and a lot of M&Ps. Why? Because there's a, because there's 10 of them on every street corner already.

And a ton of dropped and half loaded Kimbers. Ooh. Shots not fired because it jammed. Not fired. So, yeah. And honestly, like the rest of this is just. Not surprising. I mean, there's a, you know, okay, so let's call it.

Like the CZ Bren, the Scarlight, and the FN, FNC are kind of like oddballs, but they all take Stan eggs. Yeah, that's, as long as you have magazine interchangeability within a squad, I really don't know that it super matters the platform that it's using. Yeah, and that was one of the things that, um, so there was a video that I watched a while ago that was talking about, you know, the small arms of the Ukraine and conflict. And that was one of the things they pointed out, which in hindsight kind of makes a lot of sense. And since we're talking about modernizing the militia act, it bears pointing out here. But they said that because of the way arms were coming in, it wasn't like they said, hey, we need like 10 million M4s and 50 million, you know, Stan eggs. What do you got that take Stan eggs in 556?

Yeah. Well, but not even that. It was really, at a lot of points in the Ukraine conflict, it was. What can we get? We don't care. We need arms. Right. So they would literally take a unit and they would equip that one unit with either the same firearms or at least firearms that took the same magazine.

So you have M4 units out there in the Ukraine foreign lesion. You have a CZ Brenn unit. You have, you know, you have those units that within that unit, they all take the same magazines. They all use the same ammunition. And even though it complicates things from a logistics point of view, because now you have to supply ammunition for all those different cartridges, at least that one unit can take one kind of ammo. Right. And that's what the secret sauce that makes it work is, okay, that is a Stan Ag unit. They need magazines.

They need AR magazines and they need 556. This is a Kalashnikov unit with a PKM embedded. They need 760 by 39. They need some belted. They need some in magazines. and you're able to push that ammunition out to the so the whole unit is shooting the same stuff and that seems to be what's making it work. But as far as like their equipment, it really is a hodgepodge.

Like within a unit, people pretty much have all the same stuff. But for one unit to another, it is very, very individual, which if we're talking about in the spirit of the militia act, we're talking about a modern interpretation of the militias, I feel like that's what you're going to be reduced to, is, your units are going to be composed of like local guys hopefully that know each other they're going to be somewhat similarly equipped but there's no reason to think that the the mandeville covington militia would be equipped similarly to the chicago militia for example there's no more switches in the chicago militia yeah anyway a lot more urban you know

what i was really surprised not to see in those lists or shotguns so didn't see much mention that even though they are using them quite extensively for drones. They are using them, but as I understand it, they are not, they're not considered like a common arm. It's being used, it's being deployed almost more like,

yeah, almost kind of more like the, the way that the U.S. military deploys, um, like M2-3s within a squad. Like not everyone has a bloop to hanging underneath their M-16. They have, your load isn't heavy enough.

Take this. Yeah, but they have like one or two embedded in the unit, or they have, there's a couple of guys that have some specialty equipment to do those kinds of things. And similarly to the way that we would have a unit that's doing direct action that has like a single guy with a breaching shotgun, they'll have a single guy or a couple of guys with shotguns loaded with birdshot. Yeah. But that's considered an extra weapon system carried by a person for a specific thing, not a standard weapon. to be carried by everyone or even everyone within a certain squad like you're not going to carry just a shotgun yeah you're gonna have a shotgun and another thing that's more useful that's probably true although i would argue with that more useful more useful in the context of in a tactical small

arms fight yeah i i get yes i i am i know where you're going i totally understand the whole argument of getting a semi-confined environment and tell me shotguns are not effective yes but get in a wide open environment where everyone else in the battlefield has has you know carbines and rifles and shotguns just probably not the it you remember what you and i talked about earlier where i said there's a difference between it works and best practices oh absolutely yeah if you're shooting buckshot at a squad of guys with m4s i'm not saying it won't work i'm saying best practices. I hope you're real close. Yeah. Because if you're over like 200 yards, they're going to each lunch. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, and just on volume of fire alone, you're going to, you're going to have volume of aimed fire. You're going to have better success with the rifles. What are the odds Stewart argues with us about this? Well, I don't, I don't think he can because it's, it's, if it's no, no, no, no, no, no. You can be accurate with slugs out to a hundred yards, but you do have an accuracy problem but point of our point of order steward can argue about paint drying and he probably

would just to prove me wrong which is great just to needle me yeah just needle me i'm telling you right now the day i stop the day he stops arguing with me he's going to meet his maker probably he likes a good argument yeah and he's usually got some pretty good good That's the damned, that's the damned annoying part about him is that he's raised, he's usually got to. Yeah. Trust me, that is the second most annoying thing about him. Yeah, he's smarter than most than most people I've ever met and he's usually really convincing. He is the smartest dumbass I know. Right.

And the dumbest smart ass. They usually go hand in hand. One day we're going to get him on this show, but he keeps, is blowing us off. Well, he does have other obligations. Anyway, so do we have anything else to to unpack here? Like, the militia, okay, so

like to recap, the modern militia act. If you don't have the appropriate things to do hood rat stuff, you will get fined $25,000. And then if you continue to act stupid, you're going to get fined $50,000

after six months of not doing what you're supposed to be doing two months and 60 days oh two months so after three months of not being able to do hood red stuff because you don't have the equipment you get fined 75 large and in the intervening time you were supposed to arm yourself with let's say a carbine that shoots five five six out of out of you know stan eggs that seems like a nice nice reasonable place start life i would say a semi automatic intermediate caliber carbine Yeah, although let let let let's make a small allowance because, you know, the original militia, I did say musket or rifle. So I'll go so far as to say if you really are just dead set against the whole idea of like small caliber carping, get yourself a three away caliber battle rifle.

I would allow that. Yeah. AR 10 or something or like scar heavy, something similar. If you're in an eastern block country, make it some AK variant. of the same thing. Any of this, any of you who happen to be on the other side

of the Atlantic or the Pacific take everything I'm saying and convert it into AK because that is that is the weapon system you're going to find a lot of. Rangel, do you hate your ears?

He hates his ears and his eyeballs and the ears and eyeballs of everyone within 15 feet. He's advocating for a sub 12 inch 308. I mean, I'll laugh.

it we need our shock troops we do and it will be shocking yeah flash bang with a projectile we also need to send him in as a the door kicker right one rant yeah one boot heel one round scare the hell everyone blind them and deafen them right especially if you put one of those land tech muzzle brakes on there who buddy these people are unhinged 4570 garringer they make a 4570 revolver They also make bad decisions and that's one of them They do And six pounds of shotgun sounds heavy

But not as heavy as one pound as C4 Getting dropped on you Truth So anyway So rifle or battle rifle 556 or 308 For those who are on the other side of the pond Probably look at a Kalashnikov Probably you need at minimum

You need let's say You need some method of carrying gear on your on your person whether that's going to be a belt whether it's going to be a chest rig whether it's going to be a full on plate carrier like i'm willing to give ground on some of that i'm willing to get ground on a plate preference i mean look you're not supposed to be a the the militia were not necessarily your front line fighting troops they were more often skirmishers so light fast and self-sustaining is is the way to go and armor is heavy and expensive it is yep and it makes you sweat a lot more it does even on a

cold day or a cool day once it gets up the body temperature it's just sweaty yeah so way to carry your gear um backpack that feels mandatory you backpack is mandatory you have to be able to carry your bed roll you have to be able to carry your rations your spare ammo any other your you know, extra underpants, extra socks, food and water, food and water. What else in here feels like bare minimum? You need some kind of cutting tool, in my opinion, a fixed blade or folding knife, but probably both fixed blade and a folding knife because there are some jobs you just can't do with a big honk and fix blade as well as you can with a small, more nimble knife. do we want to push the issue towards a slightly autistic point and say you really should have a have a have a have a radio of the same type as the rest of your squad i would say assuming you know who you're going to be working with which you should you should if you if you can i mean otherwise pick up the most general purpose radio you can i mean i mean

a Beofeng UB5R. It's hard to argue with, isn't it? I can get one of those damn things to talk to not legally, but in Minecraft. I can get one of those to talk to a GMRS radio, an FRS radio, another ham radio

with the right mods and a little bit of unlocking. You could do all sorts of the hood rack things with one. You can make a pair of them into a simple repeater. You know, there's a lot you can do with those. Yeah. I would say that as important as communications are most of your immediate communications are going to be visual or verbal within normal range and cell phones are great for that great for out of that range anyway

i'm going to say that there's a lot of people that are going to look at this and be like really if like we had to go fight the chinese in our backyard we'd be talking on cell phones but like you've got to bear in mind that like even even back to like the american civil war which they were coordinating via the post well not just that but like you have to bear in mind that like there were whole segments of the country that were initially at least virtually unaffected by the war so like you're going to have segments you're going to have segments of an area where cell phones are still up people are still going to work grocery stores are still going to be open. So to totally ignore that seems like a misstep. I will just say like consider communications

within your plan because neither in 1903 nor in 1792 were radio as much of a thing. So but they are now. But what I'm saying is that when these militia acts were pinned, there was no analog for me to point I'd say, well, this should be a radio today because it wasn't even thought of back then true the idea of individual squad level communications wasn't thought of like if you were going to communicate one militia to another you'd do it via a telegram or a writer right which i guess is still an option i suppose it is i mean it look radios are great for middle distance and closer communications they're also great for revealing exactly where you are against a against a a technically sophisticated adversary.

Yeah. So use them appropriately if you're going to use them. You should get the Gorillow's Guide to Beow Fang radios. Because it tells you how to do hood rat stuff with ham radios. Yep. In Minecraft and Mexico, because none of it's legal in this country. Well, none of it, none of what's in that book is legal in this country currently. Yeah.

You can, you can, you can, you can do about half of the intro and then you are firmly at the point where fuds and Elmers will lose their mind at you. Yeah. Yeah. That's accurate. That's, that's fair. I mean, there's some of it. The, I would say the communications discipline is not illegal. That, that is fair.

That's fair. Other than that, encrypting anything in any way on, uh, ham, GMRS, FMS. FRS, whatever it is. FRS. FRS. FRS. Is not okay. Jeff's right.

Spare socks and underwear. Longhand sport. More socks than you think. Listen, to this day, everywhere I go, I pack twice as many socks and underwear as I believe I'm going to be there. Like,

I have two pairs of socks and underwear for every day I intend to be away from home. You don't know misery until you can't change your socks. Yep. So is taking off wet socks to put on wet socks. So is there anything else to toss in here? Like we've,

I don't feel like we left a lot of meat on the bone. Like, and it feels weird because normally we always miss something, but I don't know. And we probably have, but I think the biggest takeaway here is that what you brought up earlier, who are you working with? Try to find some people around you and try to find some people around you

and try to, if you don't have any gear at all yet, attempt to tailor your gear to mesh with them. Yeah, and that is one thing worth pointing out was that, like, at the time the original militia act was written, and certainly for a good period of time afterwards, it wasn't expected that you were going to buy this stuff and it was going to sit in the closet. Like, you were going to be trained with your local militia. Yep. You were going to be training with your local militia. You were going to know who these people were.

were who you were going to stand online with if all hell broke loose. And they knew who you were because they wanted to know who to call in case something popped off. Like, you know, the whole, we forget so much of our nation's history or we write it off as these funny little anecdotes. But like Paul Revere, writing through the dark to tell her by the British was coming was for a freaking reason because he rode through a town and said, get your asses up and get your frigging muskets and get online. Yep. Because that's how it was done back then. And at the time, the original militia act was pinned, a writer would come into town and be like, get the militia together. And then I would go across street to Nick and be like, hey, did you hear the do?

We got to go and do hood rat stuff. And this militia, this little local militia in this little town, they trained together. They knew each other. They all had similar gear. They all work well together. Chance they're pretty good. They were all family. Yeah, family or at least family friends.

Yep. Like, you know, my cousin Mary, that. person's cousin we've we've been playing together in the woods since we were kids kind of thing so yeah i would say that's the one thing that's not stated in here that should be part of this discussion because it's the societal difference between 18th century and today where we've become a very closed off private society where like we don't know our neighbors as well as we used to yeah and it's going to be necessary that if you want to if you want to follow the spirit of the militia act in modern times, you're going to have to figure out who are those people in my local

community that I need to know so that if we have to go do hood rat things, I know who I'm going to do hood rat things with. Yeah, I mean, if something pops off in your neighborhood, do you know who, do you have two or three people you could call, Phil? Can you hear people shouting on the earth side of my wall? No. It's girls. I don't think they're in danger.

I'm pretty sure that they're excited. about something because that's the tone I was hearing. Mm, good. Anyway, directional microphones are a beautiful thing. By the way, this microphone's pointed this way, and the noise all coming from over there. But anyway, um, off the top of my head, I've got my infantry buddy. He's always good for doing hood rat stuff. Mm-hmm.

I'm talking in your immediate area. Define immediate. I would say, like within my town? A couple of blocks. No. A couple of blocks. crew. I'm on my own. Okay. I'll just be honest. I mean, dude, like my, my street is completely composed of useless

idiot gen Zs and widows and divorces. My neighborhood is mostly comprised of people over the age of 65, with some of them as, as high as like, I think 98. But there are two guys here that I could get a hold of. See, Raggle. I know. bagel fraggle lives he's up for a run well he's he's one of my local boys he's down here in south kind of south louisiana but nice yeah i mean that that's that's the problem though is that like within a couple blocks yeah i'm screwed i'm on my own within within this town or this area fair distance yeah yeah i mean i got i got a buddy who's probably four or five miles away i could call he's good for doing hood red stuff that's a reasonable distance especially if he's got access to a

vehicle. That's not difficult for him to cross. Yeah. And then there's my brother-in-law, my sister on the other side of town. They're good for hood. Rad stuff. I mean, I got a few people to call. That's good. Gen Z will sell you out to her to the Chinese for a vape bar. Well, thank you, guy, the comments. Well, if I start talking too much about it's Gen Z, I'm going to sound like old man screaming at the sky. Hey, man, people should on millennials all the time, too. their turn. Yeah, but millennial is largely deserved it. Yeah, a lot

of them did. Gen X will sell you out for a pack of Sigs. Jesus Christ. Well, he's not wrong. Yeah, but if we don't shut the show down quick, he's going to move on to dad leaving. Dad, heads coming back any minute now from getting that gallon of milk, like, it's coming.

That's why we use powdered milk. You don't have to go off for a gallon. all right well this has been the militia act which i don't know it's one of those topics like i always feel weird when we bring it up again because we do talk about this one every so often but i feel like it bears pointing out again and again and again because it does people just don't seem to be getting the message and to be fair there's always that segment of the population that's just recently come into the podcast and i feel like that's this along with a couple topics are kind of like foundational to this podcast. And I feel like we need a harp on them

every now and then. And you know, it's, it's always a good, it's always good to connect with the roots. Like the roots of the country, the roots of, you know, modern 2A, the roots of the modern shooting sports. I mean, the modern shooting sports largely came out of the fact that guns were everywhere. So people started competing with them. That's, that is a byproduct of the militia act. Yeah, and I also feel like the Militia Act bears pointing out because like, I feel like it's

even though I don't think that there's an argument to be had about what the Second Amendment says. Y'all know that. Y'all, y'all know me. Y'all have heard me scream and yell loudly and repeatedly about it. It's a fairly simple sentence.

But for the people who still want to argue about it and insist that it's not completely clear in what it's saying, a law that threatened to fine you a hundred and you know like 75% of a year's wages if you refuse to arm yourself seems like it kind of you know drives the point home so if you have to have an argument with some knucklehead about what the second amendment says or even better for the one of our patrons to get a kick out of this if you have to have an argument with a family member about why people need

AR-15s. You should definitely point them back to the Militia Act and point out that there's a literal law in the books that says you are supposed to have military-grade firearms for the purposes doing hood rat stuff. Yep. And if his head explodes, I just want to have field report on it. Good. Good.

All right. Matter of fact, it's going to go out the door. We'll talk to you all in another week. I don't know what we're going to talk about. We have a round, we have a revolving list of topics that we kind of draw from, like an quiver of arrows. And if you would like anything thrown in there, you can reach out to us through YouTube, through Instagram, through MOFpodcast.com, or if you're a patron, you can just harass me on an hourly basis in, on in Signal, until I respond to you and say, Phil, talk about this or else. Or tag Gillian in the chat, so she bothers Phil. Yeah, funny thing, Gillian has muted all signal chats for a little bit because.

Because it's the start of the school year, which means, see, when you have a child, a school-age child and a teacher in your household, this is, this time of the year is like DefCon 2. That's fair. We are, I ordered pizza tonight because those girls came home and they were like, we are not doing anything more involved in taking our clothes off, bathing, and getting in bed. Fair enough. I was like, Roger that. I'll order pizza. all right matter of fact is going to go out the door bye y'all keep in touch stay out of trouble get or get into trouble and just make sure you get back out bye y'all tonight

You know, I'm going to be able to be. You know, I'm going to be. I'm going to . I'm going to be able to be.