The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Matter of Facts: The State of this Union

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

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Welcome back to the Matterfax podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at MOFpodcast.com on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Ravley, Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter of Facts podcast. That is a cricket chirping, not a smoke detector. I just had to put that out there before the Internet said anything because the Internet's been a very unhinged place lately.

And I don't think it's going to be any less unhinged. But welcome back to Matter of Fax podcast. The most professional amateur operation you've ever seen or the most amateurist professional operation you've ever seen one or the other. I'm not really sure which. And it changed every five minutes anyway. So welcome back to the shit show. y'all opted to come to this corner of the internet it's your fault not mine just understand that you've been foreworn so the topic for tonight is the state of this union the other psychopaths with me are my co-host nick and trekk formerly of mdify still with mdify you're basically still with mdify even though if you're not like officially at the help uh still with mdify as an adjunct instructor but no longer the owner still with him okay So I keep wanting to say, like, you're not the face of MDFI anymore, but I feel like you still...

Oh, no, no, definitely not. I don't know. I'm, I have a great face for radio, so I'll try to stay off that, uh, that man. I mean, that's fair. We're going to have to get you and, uh, your, your cadre that's been promoted. I'm struggling with words tonight, which is a bad sign. I was going to say promoted, but usually taking ownership, mention anything is not actually a promotion in most cases. It's usually a demotion.

You get title, but then you get more work. And the more work is always a lot more work. Oh, yeah. And especially, I mean, if they have to fill track shoes, then it's going to be a lot, a lot more stuff. But I digress. We're going to have to get them on and talk about all that goings on. But for tonight, we have to have a very uncomfortable, serious conversation about what the hell has happened?

the last, I don't know, week and a half here in the United States of America because I didn't think this timeline was the one I was going to land on, but here we are. Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And I'm using that word intentionally because I don't know another word for a politically motivated offing of somebody in front of witnesses. It seems like the appropriate word. I would say very definition. Yeah. It's awful hard to argue against. because it i mean what else do you call it right i can't think of anything you know whether murder or assassination i mean assassination is it certainly fits fits the bill but uh horrific crime is yeah was committed for sure yeah and the part of this that makes this

uncomfortable for me to talk about is like, you know, towards the end of last year, we saw two nut jobs take a shot at our current sitting president while he was on the campaign trail. And I thought that was a little out of pocket. That, like, that worried me because in my admittedly short lifetime, I haven't seen that degree of, like, an outward attempt on that high profile of a population. politician's life. And it was, well, there was the Republican baseball game shooting. True.

That's pretty high profile. I mean, yeah, it wasn't a presidential candidate and it wasn't a former president, but it was still a number of elected officials at once being targeted. No, that's fair. And then there's the, the DNC congressman from Michigan. Uh, the, I want to say, congressmen or senators from Michigan that were attacked very recently. yeah ragel help us out here was that michigan because i'm drawing a blank on what state it was i believe it was but you know i i think that you know kyle is right you know violence is in

general becoming more mainstream and i i think a lot to do with that is the depersonalization that we're seeing uh of people on both sides i mean there's there has been a lot of very extreme rhetoric from both the DNC and the RNC. Let's be very clear about that. I mean, Trump, whatever you want to say about the guy, he has called people enemies. I don't really think we should be calling our countrymen enemies unless they're directly acting against it. Now, this person that assassinated Charlie Kirk, yeah, he's an enemy of the public, of the general public, because political assassinations never do any good. No, they don't. And I think part of, like part of the, I guess part of the reason why this

it concerns me because like we've seen so much of it in such a short time frame that the question I started asking myself is is this become is this going to become Minnesota, correct this is it was Minnesota not Michigan but the part that worries me is like is this going to become

a thing you know what I'm saying like are we moving into an era where the the end result of all the verbiage about deplorables and about Nazis and about unpersoning groups of whole groups of people based on political, social ideas, like, is the end result of that the fact that we can no longer have rational, thoughtful debate, we can't have a difference of opinion A longer, we can't discuss that difference of opinion A longer, we don't want to find common ground with the other side, we don't want to coexist with them anymore. longer. Are we reaching a point in this country where, like, the end result of this path, that the last stone in this path is just the unabated attempt to wipe out the other side? Because there is no, like, I don't know. That's where my mind goes, though, at a moment like this. It's, it concerns me because it alludes to the fact that we're reaching a tipping point where, like, there's been so much tit for Tad. direction or the other, and this feels like a substantial escalation for some reason.

Well, I think this was, this is a byproduct of a slope in which the snowball started small and it's been getting bigger and bigger and bigger. We are, you know, it seems to be correcting itself mildly with the new administration, which there's a lot of things about the new administration that I'm completely, I find completely unacceptable. But it is certainly, when you talk about the lesser to evils, I would agree that it is certainly better than what the alternative would have been. And that's sad. Frankly, that's pretty sad, but that is the true case. You know, we have men, men can be women versus just saying, you know, whoever you are, if you, you know, you're a fellow human being, as long as you're not hurting another person,

you can call yourself a phicus. And if you want to marry a phycus, marry a phycus. And if you want to be a gay baker with two micro oozes marrying a phycus do whatever you want to do don't hurt anybody but the problem is we say well men can't be women and then there there are people that will die on the hill to say that a man can become a woman and a woman become a become a man and we know that is not the truth we have someone that may dress up like the opposite sex they may get surgery to change themselves physically to look like the opposite sex but the truth is that you can't can't. And so that's just one example of the silliness and asinine things that have been happening and a cascading effect. And so because the environment is rife with the death of shame,

truth, and honor, which is frankly, and it's been, I think, dead in our country for quite some time where you can be a politician, you are telling a lie. The evidence is out there that you are telling a lie, but you make the counter accusations because you have no shame, you have no honor and because of the noise from social media and from your political party and their political party, it's the death of truth. No one will acknowledge or allow the truth to be out there because the shame and honor is dead as well. And so it's interesting that you mentioned, you know, are we at a point in which everybody's the enemy that's on the other side? And that's something that for those that have never read the book on combat, Colonel David Grossman, he also

authored on Killing. There are two books that everybody that is interested in self-defense that carries a weapon that's thinking about carrying a weapon, that, you know, the cliche sheepdog, you know, you're a good person, but you might have to turn violent and you need to understand, you know, from the other side what the criminal mindset is. One of the most interesting things that Colonel Grossman wrote in on combat was the psychological conditioning that we have done to our troops historically, and he goes back and starts with the Civil War. Well, the Civil War, I mean, it wasn't so civil, but it was called that because it was the classic, you know, fathers fighting sons and brothers fighting brothers, and it was the north and the south. And

we can argue about the state's rights versus slavery and all that nonsense. But the reality was these were northerners fighting Southerners and vice versa. They were countrymen that one day all of a sudden became on the other side. And he talks about in the book that it was very common. The statistic was 3%, roughly, I believe, excuse me, 10%, I think it was 10%. 10% thinking the three percenters from the Revolutionary War, roughly 10% of troops in combat in the Civil War actually conducted fighting against the other side. Now, 100% of them were on the battlefield, but only 10% engaged in aiming, firing, loading, aiming, firing, and trying to kill the other guy that's on the other side of the field.

They found soldiers on both sides that had loaded their rifles, muskets rifles, depending on who had what, 10 times, 15 times. They just kept putting in the powder patch ball, powder patch ball, whatever buck. They would not fire at the enemy, but they had to show. their commanding officers, they looked like they were fighting. And so they would sit there and take cover, and they'd always act like that they were loading. And the reason being is, these are my countrymen. And so it was a very small percentage of troops.

I won't, I'll save you my entire diatribe about the book, but by Vietnam, so we go from the Civil War to Vietnam, 90%. 90% of combat troops actively engaged the enemy and tried to kill the enemy. 10% did not. And if you look at, and I won't, of course, share them here, but you look at how we demonize any of the same can be said for our enemies in World War II and they're you know demonization for some of the brutality and things that were done absent of the quote-unquote laws of war yeah especially the guys that were there

I mean you have every right to demonize the brutality that you saw but if we look at the campaign of what we called the Viet Cong the derogatory comments and that wasn't just for the guys in the field then that were dealing with the brutality it was the marketing of the from the drill sergeants to the u.s government they were subhuman and by doing that creating a belief in the in the soldier that the enemy is not a human being it does not have a family it does not you know love other people it's easier to kill them and what we have seen it used to be and what the sad truly well there's many sad things about the assassination of charlie kirk but this was a guy that would sit down and he would bring facts he tried and i i don't know the man

i believe he tried to stay honorable he did not insult the people that he was trying to debate i mean i think i saw him a couple times defend himself verbally from some real awful things that were said but he wasn't out there throwing fists he was saying if you're willing to talk to me well that used to be and i think we'd all be an agreement you could get into a fight When I was a child, no one's getting stabbed or shot. Yep. You get a fist fight. Get a bloody nose.

And then generally, if it was especially two dudes, probably a couple days later, they probably had actually created a bond of some sort for slugging it out and dealing with it. But there was never a thought of taking somebody's life over a simple disagreement. You know, we talked about the Wild West and it wasn't necessarily so wild and when it was operating under natural law because people kind of knew that if you asked around, you were going to find out. So you could get into a fist fight with a guy wearing a gun. And as long as you didn't touch that gun or you dropped that gun belt, the other person wasn't going to go for their gun,

they would duke at all. But now I think we'd all been agreement. The country's in quite a bit more of a powder keg state. And everybody knows that if somebody road rages right now, and you have every right to flip them the bird or to yell at them, that they almost took your life and life of your family, you know full well that there's a very good chance it's going to go lethal or extremely violent.

And that is because of what we have done. And right before we went on, we were talking about social media. Twitter, excuse me, X, great place for actually getting independent media. Yeah. A horrible place if you want to feel good about the world because it's a vile, vile place. We've gotten away from the place where people will even talk on the internet like they're talking across a table and other human being.

And so what we have is a hyper-partisan environment where if you're not, if you're not on my side of the debate, then you are evil and you are subhuman and violence against you is okay. But violence is not against my side. At the same time, we are in a society in which people are told, no, you can't duke it out. You can't punch it out and then plug it out. So we've become so violent in the void of social media and on the internet. But we are so. restrained in actual society that when people snap, it's pent-up rage that they can't just go duke it out or put the boxing gloves on. They go full potato and combine with the fact that they're looking at that opponent, that they're not a human being. They don't have loved ones. They don't bleed. That's where we're at. And we're seeing we're at the state, you know, one of the heightened stages of societal collapse with the amount. of politically motivated murders assassinations whatever you want to call them and it's it's all because we're looking at the other side as you know they're the ones that want to take your guns

and kill your kids and put you in jail and they're saying the exact same thing um so yeah it's it's a the sad part is i don't know historically of a country that changed direction before going over the waterfall generally what happens is the boat goes over the waterfall the survivors pick up the pieces and go, let's never go over a waterfall ever again. You know, I do think there are some positive signs, though, looking at the response to it online. Yes, there are the unhinged individuals that are celebrating it, and many of them have lost their jobs over it. Okay, great.

That's good. If you're going to be advocating for political violence online or in front of your corporate logo, don't be surprised if you lose your job. They've all got shareholders to report to. But what I am seeing more of than anything else is people saying that I disagreed with him, but this is unacceptable. Or I didn't even know who he was, but this is unacceptable. Or I support him and this is unacceptable. But the common throughput of all of it was political assassination is unacceptable. Political violence is unacceptable. And that has been the vast majority of what I've seen. seen limited online, even on Reddit. I mean, Reddit is the leftist cesspit, even worse than X ever was. And the vast majority of people on there are saying, yeah, I hated that guy. I thought he was a terrible person, but we should not be engaging in political violence, because it leads to terrible ends and it does not, it does not put our argument in a good light. I think that's a really positive thing to be seeing. You know, I, I don't, I, I try not to be a

pathological optimist or a pathological pessimist, but I don't see as much arguing that it was a good idea or even that it was a, I don't think that's a, I think that's the issue, though. You know, we, the, the classic, you know, the three percent, only three percent of Americans fought, you know, to stand up this new nation, right? And so the majority of all of our countrymen are centrist and then hover to the right or left of that center. I would say that the extremes have gotten bigger on both sides over, you know, pick a timeline. We are certainly at the most heightened state of extremism on both ends of the spectrum. And so it doesn't take the majority, of course, is they understand it's not good it's it's not going that well but i would say uh there's a

couple things to that we know that the extremism on both ends of the spectrum is certainly bigger there are people at least more vocal yeah well they just can't well and that's the you know the problem is the internet allows everybody have a voice and a lot of people should just not but that's that is just the reality the blessing in the curse of of communication yeah so so the the challenge there is So now you have those that ran their mouth and found out that maybe posting, you know, yay, Charlie Kirk was shot wearing your major oak leaves on your epaulet standing in front of the name of your base with your name tag right there, probably not a good idea. And so there are, of course, for examples, and I'm sure we will talk about the First Amendment versus private as we go through. And then, of course, there's a lot of people who are like, I probably shouldn't open my mouth, but they're saying exactly. exactly what I want to say. And I think that there's going to be a lot of that too. Are there

people that were centrist left or right? Mostly in this case would be centrist left. They're like, that's horrible. Absolutely. And I'm glad to see that. It's great to see when people can realize that we are stepping past a precipice that should not be passed. And then, of course, you have the politicians that say it's horrible. And then my response to that is, I fear the Greeks, even when they bring gifts because the people that are saying this is horrible about charlie kirk you go back and everything that they have been spewing they have been stirring the pot and now their now their political advisor is telling them sir ma'am you've got to make the statement you don't believe it but you got to say it that way it's on an ex tweet and and they really don't believe it and so

there are people that are being disingenuine there are people that are being genuine but i think regardless, the extremes are bigger than they have ever been, and that this one thing only made the extremes bigger. It may have brought some people to lean a little bit more the other way, but I think that this is lighting that match and just flicking it towards that pile of gunpowder. I think my concern here is that, like, whenever we see this kind of sentiment, bubble up on social media and I agree with what you're saying track that like what's what what the internet social media has done is it's given every single person a voice but what I always wonder to myself is like you know how icebergs work right there's about that much above the surface and there's

about this much below the surface I always wonder how big is this damn iceberg how much of it are we seeing like the part that we're seeing where people are going out on social media and rejoicing charler kirk's death and thank Christ they're losing their freaking careers like we'll we'll get to that in a second. But I'll just say that I don't personally hold it against any employer if they say, wow, I do not want in any way or shape, form to be associated with a person saying completely out-of-pocket things. I mean, like, there's a difference between I espouse a sociopolitical ideal, and I don't think it's necessarily appropriate that a person be put at a polite society because they hold an idea. But when you're when you're dancing on the grave of a person that

was recently killed in front of his wife and kids. That's not a sociopolitical ideal. That's not an idea that's abs that that is like on its face grotesque behavior. Well, it's calling for further violence is what it's doing. Yes. But like I said, what I always wondered at a moment like this and the reason I get nervous is is like, this is the part we can see. How much more is below the surface that we can't see. How much more is under the surface and it's people who to treks,

point. Maybe they're not crazy all the way to the left. They're just a little bit to left or center left. How far does this spectrum stretch to the left from center and where's the crazy line? You follow where I'm saying? It's like whenever there's a flood, forgive my analogy, but I live down here where it floods alive. But when it floods, when the flood or waters receive, it leaves a line on the wall where you can tell how high the water came up. Well, I wonder how I wonder where the line is. is where the water stops. Like, is it, is it people that are one degree of separation from the center that are this nuts? It's two degrees. It's three degrees. How far down that road does it go? And how far do we have to go before we get to the point where people of that ilk are excited about a person getting assassinated in front of his wife and kids? Because the reason that worries me is, is it tells me how big of a group of people are out there.

And I drew this comparison recently because somebody was really, really wound up about the fact that like, wow, like the left has really unmasked themselves. They've shown who they are. They're all excited about the death of this man. And my response was something they didn't see coming. I was like, do you remember during COVID? I remember during COVID. I watched people on the internet say repeatedly how people that didn't get vaccinated deserve to die, didn't deserve medical care, and should have their kids taken from them. I watched that and no one, no one on the right really seemed to have anything to say about it.

Everybody just let that slide and go into the radar because, you know, they really shouldn't get the shot. And I did see a lot of pushback on that. I saw an awful. And maybe it's your area, but I saw a ton of pushback on that. But did you see pushback to this degree? No, I did not. Okay. That's my point.

I didn't see pushback near the best degree. I also think here's the thing, though, Phil, is you have, you have a much more graphic representation. of what they're calling for in this case. I mean, you have the video, which if any of you out there have not seen it, I've seen it, don't watch it. Don't, don't watch it. It's not worth watching.

I made a very intentional decision the day of the assassination because I went on Instagram and saw the same freaking video like eight times, and I made a very intentional decision not to repost it on our soul. I wasn't going to do I wasn't going to have any part of that it was it was I've watched people get torn up in front of me and it was upsetting to me to watch I can't even imagine the fact that this man's wife and kids are going to see this for the rest of their lives because it's never going away yeah anyway but yeah I highly encourage you don't watch it please don't now I have to rearrange things because people I would, just before you move on, I would almost respectfully disagree. Okay.

My guys. That's fair. My guys, excuse me, my new bosses used to be my guys. They used to be a joke. They would send me videos of bad gun handling that usually ended in some sort of ND or injury. And they knew they did it because they knew that I would just hang my head and make my grunt sound because it just wears me out. But the true reality Exactly like I just said

And it got to be a running joke But the reality is that we as instructors When it came to that stuff We need it You need to see it I've seen it I've been on the line when a student decided to not Look his gun into the holster

And his jacket got wrapped around the trigger And he shot himself right through the leg Two feet away from here There's nothing I can do I saw it I worked on him He's okay but it was horrible you know it's horrific that the problem there is certainly it's awful that that mrs kirk i won't call her eric i don't know her but miss kirk and her and her children are gonna why

that is going to be out there forever and i hope that they can avoid it any more than they need to for legal proceedings or memorials or whatever it is that they need to do right but it's out there and that's that is horrible uh on the flip side anybody out there that's contemplating violence they need to see that stuff they need to see the the Ukrainians or Russians I don't know who they were I don't know who they were because I watched

a guy on the back of a motorcycle get blown in half by a drone that was flown by some teenager and these people that think that war is cool and you know I grew up with the toy guns and I remember my dad being so pissed off because I loved the cap guns and this and that and you try you know I would say

which team are they on and he'd be like shut your mouth. It's not a team. Those are people that are dying. It's not a team that are out there in combat. It's not cool. And, you know, I joined the military and saw horrific things in Iraq, people getting injured, and piles of bubble gum that used to be human because they got hit with artillery.

And thank God it wasn't ours. It was the enemy that fired at us. And the 105 millimeters turned him into a pile of bubble gum in 30 seconds. It's horrible that it's out there, but that's the nature of today's world. I've watched it and I'm watching it now. I've been following the Marine scout sniper instructor that's been breaking down frame by frame the different angles. And there's some really weird stuff, especially with my limited long range and ballistic experience that make me go, something's not right. We can get into that if you want to.

I know that's not the nature of the show. But the end result is the guy died and it's horrific. And there's a lot of people in that crowd that loved him. There's a lot of people in that crowd that hated him. So if you're the people in the crowd that loved him, picture that Charlie Kirk was your enemy. And picture that what happened with the blood pouring out and the panic and the look on his wife's face and imagine what the kids are going through and if their loved ones are going through. And then, oh, by the way, they're American. And then on the flip side, do the exact same thing and realize that before you run your mouth about wanting to hurt another human being, there's the consequence.

And when we have our guys that, you know, I know some special operations guys that did, I was an ice cream cone vendor compared to them over in Iraq. These guys have got to have had to go down and do ayahuasca things to try to fix the PTSD because like Carlos Hathcock talked about, you know, letting the guy finish a bowl of rice before you shot him to give him a last meal. You had the absolute control of the guy's life and the, they talk about Colonel Grossman talks about pilots. They blow thousands of people up. They flanned their airplane. They go to their bar. They drink. Very low PTSD when you're a bomber pilot.

Snipers, grunts, infantry, horrible PTSD. Why? Because they just ran a guy through the bayonet. They threw the frag grenade into the room. They heard the screams. And then they went in. And they saw what they just did to what was a moving, bobbing, weaving human being. So I just respectfully disagree.

I think, you know, I don't want you to watch it. But I don't want to say that people shouldn't. watch it because maybe you need a reality check of the horrors of harming human beings and what a civil war or a revolution or any of the stuff that people with delusions of grandeur and you know i hate quoting movies but they put a big visual for us and benjamin martin in the patriot basically says to that that senate understand that this war will not be fought in the frontier will not be fought in the woods it will be fought in us and amongst us and that's it's an incredible point because this stuff that's going on right now, this is military operation,

urban terrain. This is cities and neighborhoods. It's what happened, you know, on October 7th. It's the horrors of that kind of stuff. Just imagine, instead of a terror group that came into these kibbutzis, imagine if it was the other side. And they just come into your neighborhood because it's got a bunch of Trump flags or this side's got a bunch of Biden flags and Harris flags. And it's incredible what human beings can do. So maybe if we can get a, a month, moment of reality into people and realize, throw a fist if you got to, don't draw your gun, don't pull a knife, get your jaw broken or break somebody else's jaw, go to jail, but you didn't kill somebody. And I hope you feel better about what you did. Here's a crazy thought.

Take a lesson from Charlie Kirk. Sit down, state your peace, listen to them. And if you just will never reach a common ground go, how about we agree to disagree? You go over there. I'll go over here. we'll never meet again. And the problem is, too, is that because we've gotten so far away from a constitutional republic where the rights, it's not a democracy, it's a republic where a majority cannot vote rights away from an individual, we've gotten so far away from that, that people are getting tread on. And that's, that's incredible, I'm not blaming the left to the right on this one. People are getting tread on both left and right, and they're

real, oh, no, that is absolutely on both. Yeah, they're getting, they're getting backed into a corner. And they're feeling like the only thing that I can do because I have screamed and scream and screamed. And oh, by the way, when I try to take Black Rock, the politicians, the U.S. government to court, they're going to bankrupt me. I, you know, listen to John Kariaku of the CIA agent that blew the whistle on. And that's a guy that I would love to sit down and have a cup of coffee with. This guy blew the whistle on the terror, the terror, not the torture program that the Central Intelligence Agency was doing. And they bankrupted him first, then threw him in prison as a, hey, you know, don't ever go against us again.

And it was an absolutely trump of charge, but they bankrupted him. And his lawyers basically said, you have to take the plea deal. They're going to put you in prison. So take the plea deal, because by the way, we're $500 an hour and you have no money. So I'm sorry, that's a long diatribe, because this is stuff that we are on a precipice as a country, if something is not done. And like I said, I just don't know if people. People can paddle back against the current from where we're at.

I really hope we do. I hope I'm wrong about all this stuff, but the problem is human nature combined with the propaganda machine, the misinformation, the disinformation that is being force-fed us through a fire hose to fight each other. Instead of my sister, we are on completely different ends of the spectrum. She was here last night. And it was great because we had middle ground and that we had far ends of the spectrum. But what we did agree with is they're trying to make us do this.

It's these people right here that are just sitting there going, we're doing it perfectly, and you're not going to turn our attention or their attention to us. So, yeah, I mean, I hope you don't see the video. I hope you see the video. That's the only response I can possibly get. I can tell you that I would never sit down and watch that and go, you know, I want to watch. I want to watch Charlie Kirk get shot. But it was very sobering.

It was very real. And it will be something that echoes in our country for a very, very long time. time and he has truly become a martyr rightfully so because he was the guy that was trying to say let's just talk it out you know prove me wrong prove me wrong and let's talk it out and they killed him and we'll find out who they is um hopefully so there you go you know track you make a very good point um and maybe maybe i'm being too hasty and saying don't watch it um i that's very possible and maybe there are some people out there that do need to watch it to get the reality check

of what the violence is truly doing to people. And I knew what you meant. I mean, I know what you guys are saying. Don't see it because if you're having a great day, if you're having a great day and you watch a man take around trying to talk to college students and he is dead before his body slumps over, it's horrible.

It will ruin your day. It ruined my day. I didn't know the man. I listened to a couple videos of him. It ruined my day. absolutely ruined my day just kind of sat there shaking my head going this is we're we're speeding up down a hill that we do not want to find out what's at the bottom i think the reason why part of the reason why it disturbed me as much as it did beyond the situation is it you know i was up on vacation and

my cousin just walks out we had just gotten off the boats fishing for the afternoon my cousin walks out of the cabin and says hey you know charlie kirk got assassinated popping into Google hit play on the video it was the full video showed everything up close I went from having a great day of fishing with my family to see in that sure I think that's part of the reason why I'm so adamant to don't watch it it's just it's not going to I don't know if it's going to add to your life at all no it probably will it will change it will change it for the negative and unfortunately that can be eventually a positive if it puts perspective into your life and so that's going to be the challenges is there can you find uh horror

i hate that silver lining to reality seeing reality and and the true reality is um pick pick the left person equivalent i don't know who that is right i would have the same exact reaction oh it's it's unacceptable in any case 100 percent and that's that's that That's the problem with what's going on is that we are, as you guys mentioned, we are dehumanizing one another and there are people that were jumping for joy over it. And not understanding the consequences, not just to themselves in their career, but just for the country, what, if there is an echo chamber big enough where there are people that are protesting, people that are trying to hold a vigil.

Yeah, I mean, this is a, it's a very telling thing for the country, excuse me. I think kind of what I think about this before we head over to the next thing, because Ragglefraggle did ask us about that IG poll we ran. I think the results are interesting. I think, Treck, my concern is that the people out there who would see that video and would be sobered by it probably don't need to see it. Because, like, they already intrinsically understand this was awful. And seeing it's going to do nothing but real.

Like, for when I saw it, it's not like it changed my stripes. And I thought to him so, oh, damn, we really shouldn't do this. Like, I already intrinsically understood that, like, any kind of a civil conflict is going to lead to a loss of life. And even if I don't like the people that lose their lives, they're still my countryman. Like, I understand the weight of that. And my worry is that if you show it to people who you wish would be sobered by it, they won't be. Does that make sense? Like, I almost wonder if like, like, where, what's the, what's the proportion in the middle of this Venn diagram who you would show it to who would actually benefit from it?

Because it would make them come back from the precipice. I worry that it's, it's almost more of a litmus test than an instruct, than instructional. I mean, that's, that's my concern at least. I know that when my wife inadvertently saw it, like, she was not in a good emotional place for a couple of days. Although she's had very different life experiences than I have and you have, but it was extremely upsetting to her. Yeah, I think people, I know, we know people across the world have been affected by this. But you know what? The horror, horror happens every day.

And Charlie was certainly a motivator for that dialogue and had done a lot of work in the political realm. but there's people, you know, that get killed that will never have notoriety. By the way, if you're hearing what sounds like gunshots, those are acorns falling on our chicken coop, so I apologize for. Honestly, truck, gunshots from your house wouldn't surprise me either. I would just assume your wife was having a late-night range day. I was going to say, well, I'm sitting here and there's gunshots. I hope it's her.

But, yeah, thank God there's no small town law enforcement officers out there when the acorn hits me, that's all I'll say. Hey, man, if it's your wife that they're breaking into the house with, they're done, they're doomed. Yeah, best of luck, best of luck. Exactly. I'll put up the LOP for you stay for. On a side note, my wife

recently clued me in that there's apparently a caterpillar that is native to this part of the country and it's poop. She showed it to me. It was all over the ground. It's like these little bitty hard acorn looking things that are like rock hard. And apparently it flings its poop so it doesn't like pile up directly underneath where it's hiding

which would draw predators. This whole conversation came about because I was sitting on my back porch, smoking my pipe, and kept hearing this very loud, banging noise on top of the porch, and I was like, what in the hell is that?

I thought it was like squirrels or an acorn something. I was like, oh, no, it's that this and the other whatever Latin words for that caterpillar is, and it's flinging its poop, and it's landing on the back porch. That's... This is what happens when you live in a...

That's actually fascinating. That's a trip to the zoo when you stare at the wrong creatures and they get poop flung at you. The caterpillar is becoming sentient. That's right. No, the last thing I was going to say, you know, Solstensen in the Gulag Archipelago, there is a paragraph that I remember and I do not have it memorized, but I can paraphrase. And it talks about the suicide of man. And he's not talking about a man taking his own life in the fifth. in the physical and realistic sense it it's when a guy that a guy or girl that wake up every day

they stick to the status the social contract that they go to work they pay their bills they drive down the road on the right side of the road they have kids they get the mortgage they do all the stuff that we've been programmed to do when a human being reaches a point where they commit suicide He's referring to the fact that they have, the destruction of the enemy causes them to kill the person that they were. And they're dead. The person that they were is dead because now they are a monster and they will kill and do it as necessary to survive. And he's more talking about, you know, the revolution, I think the Russian revolution and the horrible things that happen. But that's the same thing.

For someone to do this, the people that are willing to. hurt a countryman. They've reached a point where they've committed suicide. Who they were is no longer there. They are not looking at their fellow countrymen as another person and the same social contract. They are looking at them as the enemy. And that's a very dangerous place. And so all of this stuff that is happening in this country is unfortunately some unintentional, I think a lot of it very intentional to cause. I think it started intentionally. Oh, I think it's still going on intentionally, 100%. But yeah, that's a, you know, that's, it's always sticks in my head about what does it take for the queen of Sparta to say, come home with your shield or on it.

She normally, I mean, think about any other wife would say, just come home for God's sakes, come home. But when you have a warrior society, when you have, I mean, imagine, you know, I'll leave this to that, imagine. what happens to the average male, and I'm going to, the average sex that fights wars as men, I know there's women in combat, that's fine. But imagine when the man that's on the fence is being held together to the social contract because he has the kids and the wife and the car and the mortgage. Imagine what happens when the wife says, you know what you need to do. and I will understand and love you for it. That can make somebody go from alive to dead, the suicide, really quick.

And so that's, you know, that's something we need to be contemplating because the more and more that the extremes keep growing, the more social groups will say to their members, go for it. And you have a backing versus, what are you doing? You've lost your mind. why would you hurt other people? And that's a very scary thing.

You know, you bring that up and we hear a little bit about online people complaining about the loneliness crisis with young men. And I think this is one of the dangers of that. You bring up perfectly because having a wife and kids or a wife in a house, you know, mortgage, whatever, you have something to loops if you have a stabilizing relationship like that. A lot of these men, they have responsibility. A lot of these young men, they have no stabilizing relationship. Well, in the best example in current events, people are losing their mind over this guy, Mamdani in New York, the socialist. No one, okay, that's great.

Congratulations, he's got pipe dreams about really think that he's going to get, you know, socialists. He might, he's going to get elected, but is he really going to make New York into a socialist society? know i there's so many powers that be that'll never hold the capitalists that'll never allow to happen but no one's asking the questions why is he so popular and and normally are the rights reaction would be well because they're all socialist no no it's because the young the young people and the same they feel they have no chance easily we forget after world war two we didn't go the united states didn't go socialist but the british did why because they lot like you couldn't have

stakes during the war over there. You ate, if you were lucky, if you got spam. Spam was like the hotness and you couldn't have gas more than whatever the ration was for your car. If you had a car and everything, the silk was taken for parachutes and women didn't get their

nylons. Now granted, we had that stuff. I remember talking my dad about that you would collect scrap metal for the war effort. Well, we weren't hurting as much as they were. That entire society was like, you know what? We haven't had anything for this whole war. So this guy's telling us that we're all going to get equal shares.

And now, I mean, granted, they are on a downward slope real fast right now, but they did go from socialism to capitalism. But no one's asking the question, why? The reason is, is because these kids, scary, freaking, I'm old now, these kids, they look at this guy who's making promises that if they just read a book, they would know it doesn't work out. And every naturalized American that has come from these countries are like, what are you, No, this is horrible.

You do not want socialism or communism or whatever ism you want to put on the end of it. But they're looking at what's the interest rate right now? What are they telling me I have to make to get a house? Man, I can't find a woman that will get off of her phone for longer than 30 seconds. And she's not even interested in me. She'd rather go out and party because someone's been telling her that she shouldn't have kids and she shouldn't get married. That's why these people are saying, they're just going to go all in on a fallacy. and no one's really talking about it's a it yeah and you know what they're willing

they're willing to crash the plane just to see if it'll fly and they know i think a lot of them are willing to crash the plane just to see if they can end up on top of the rubble oh yeah because what do they have to lose people with nothing to lose you look at the chinese revolution and you know that we kill the the bourgeoisie and then oh you're the next richest farmer and now you're the next richest farmer well you just killed the rich farmer now you're the rich farm and they just keep killing each other trying to stand on top of bodies and yeah we know i mean anyone i'm not a historian but if you do some basic study you know it's absolutely horrible but that's why it's gaining momentum it's because these kids are realizing that AI is probably going

to be uh taking any white collar job so then they're going to be like well i got to go into a trade no by the way i can't afford a house when they hear stories about grandpa who came back from the war had his beautiful wife, two kids, car in the driveway, a brick house in Detroit. He worked at one of the big three, and he retired with a pension, and his wife just took care of the kids in the house. You can't do that. Now my God, my wife's sisters, their daycare, thank God they're doing all right, but they tell us what they're paying for their kids for daycare. I don't understand our people doing it. So, yeah, there's lots of things going on, but we are intentionally or unintentionally missing some very critical signs of how bad things are and how they are supporting

the extreme ends of the political spectrum right now. And once they decide to, they've got the numbers, it's going to be a really bad day. Yeah, definitely is. So cooking over to answer raggle fragles question. Cancel culture is now a two-way range and should it be. And I pose this question to our everybody that follows us on Instagram and if you don't you should that links in the show description we didn't do admin work this this week

you'll get a reprieve but 88% of the Instagram poll said resoundingly yes that cancel culture and I hate to use that term because I don't think it's the same thing but we'll use it for the moment but 88% of those polls said

yes 100% to a two way range like you say stupid shit on the internet. You should have consequences. You're a constitutional libertarian. You have to say 100%. Uh, yes. And, and that's because of the separation between the government and the people and the first amendment, what it is and then what it's not. Um, the thing that bother the first amendment says the government can't put you in jail for political speed. It doesn't say your boss can't fire on for me. 100%. And that, that's the big kicker. And you know, when the attorney general who is overwhelmingly underwhelming in her job yeah made that stupid

statement thank you track wow i mean i i i we don't even have time for all the stuff with current administration as far as i'm concerned but when she made the statement that they're going to start cracking down on hate speech it's like hey lady read the room the dude that just got killed was was was all about the rights protect under the first amendment and when you the the representation of the executive branch of the government say, well, you guys remember when Biden was in office and they were saying they're going to crack down in a hate speech? Well, this is the other end of the spectrum. And they're just saying, we're going to go after the other people. Well, no, you don't have the right to do that. We know the Supreme Court's already

put, there are limitations on the First Amendment. You can't go into a movie theater and yell fire. But you have the right to be a dumbass. You can't incite violence or panic. Right. You have the right to be a dumbass. You have the right to suffer the concept. What bothers me the most when I hear these stories about, you know, the guy, there's a, the guy's name is Adolf, and he's got a cake factory. And it's called Adolf's Nazi cakes. And then someone gets all offended and sues Adolf and his little Nazi cakes because he won't make him a transgender cake that says, you know, happy homosexual anniversary. Well, I want Adolf to be able to say and make an advertisement on a billboard saying, we make a nazi cakes because you know what i can do i can go that's a shop i'm not going to patronage exactly i need him i need him to do that and then we as a society say i'm sorry but you're unacceptable the government should not be able to come in and say no no no adolf you got to make that transgender cake that's that's completely out of line but everybody should be like that dude's

a douchebag why would give and you know what let's say he's not making any cakes Well, and let's say that maybe he gets business from 10 Nazis who just keep ordering cakes from Adolf. Adolf can make his living, making these cakes for 10 freaking Nazis. You know what? Rock and roll. But you know what? The cake guy, Johnny, I love everybody, who will just make the cake you asked and maybe he has some criteria saying I'm not going to use vulgarities, you know, can't have anything. You know, he has, he has policies.

And the policies is basically safe for my well-being, I'm just not going to put vulgarities on the cake. You can go elsewhere if you don't like it, but just because you say, the cake says, I love Charlie Kirk or Charlie Kirk must die, the government should not be able to come in and shut them down. We, the people can say, you're out of line and we're not going to patronize you. There are people that make a living by being kind of shock jocks. They piss off half the country and the other half of the country patronize them and they make plenty of money. But guess what? The other half go to another vendor. And you know what? They think that this person is a but you know what they're not threatening their lives and they're not threatening their lives

and so this is this is the problem um we have we're gone from the days where you would talk to everybody like you're sitting across the table and if you said hey your your mom is sleeping around you'd get punched in the mouth and everyone would be like you deserved it don't even bother calling the police because we're going to say you absolutely deserved it but now everybody everybody feels like now that um you can say whatever you want and the government needs to protect you from the big meanies that are going to hold you accountable for what you said if you I think I was taught you guys are probably taught if you have nothing nice to say shut your mouth I can think it all I want and if I am going to say it you're ready to back it up with physical

force you're going to protect yourself or a lawyer or bank account because you're about to get unemployed but is it worth it is running your mouth worth it if it's not shut your mouth if you think it is you have the right to say what you want you're going to own it and in today's day and age the worst part is you can't be like oh i never said that because it's going to be like screenshot absolutely and it's never going to go like so i mean that that is the the battle of the constitutional libertarian right yeah the government no pam bondi has no right to tell me what i can't and cannot say uh the whole trump you can't burn the flag hell yes i can't burn the american flag i will never burn the american flag i will burn the american flag for a ceremonial retirement of the flag

and i will do it properly but how dare you freaking tell me i can't burn the flag i will burn the flag whenever i'm freaking i want to i went and almost died people that i knew got injured and people that i don't know died to be an american to protect the american way of life so uh you know that and that's the problem is we we went full spectrum it's like we had can't say a sentence to save his life lost his mind present who should have been removed in the 25th amendment and now we got a guy course got elected because the only alternative was awful and he was like this is great and went full potato to stop and frisk is great and burning the american flag is illegal and all the other stupid stuff that's coming out now so yeah it's you know i think i think the people on instagram were

absolutely right that that's just my take on it i think the uh we we run into the same problem with the first amendment and the second amendment freedom is dangerous you you have the freedom you have the freedom, you can choose to do constructive things or destructive things. And we will reward or punish you based on your choice. I think what blows me out of the water about this weird time period we live in is that we live in an era where it is a okay to burn the American flag, but you get put in jail for burning an LGBTQ flag. And that's where I get a little case of four. Whittaker eye you know what I'm saying it's like and that I I don't know how a constitutional how it's even made it past constitutional muster because it's declared a hate crime which all crimes

are hate crimes first of all unless you're stealing property all crimes are hate crimes and and the only reason you have to have a first amendment is to protect hate speech in this country you don't have to protect popular speech there's no reason to it's like having a second amendment to make sure that the government can have guns because the government can have guns regardless of the second admit it. They're the motherfucking government. That's how it works. It's like, but anyway, what frustrates me, guys, is that I'm not going to say, like, I'm okay with whatever set of rules we want to live by society because there are certain rules I think are stupid and we should debate them. But I get really, really, really torqued up when the rules

don't work in both directions. Like, you can burn American flag, which can't burn a gay pride flag. That's not okay with me, because if it's got to be, if it's going to be one way, it's got to be both ways. And we can debate if it should be, but it's got to work all the way around. And that's where when we start having discussions about the government stepping in a tamped down hate speech, it's like, okay, but who gets to decide what's hate speech? Because that's a power. I'm not, I'm not comfortable giving to the government that changes hands every so often because the same the same watchful eye, they cast upon what you consider hate speech. They're going to cast upon your speech in a year. The issue is it comes down to faith in the sense.

system and this is a challenge i have none i i just be i'll be i'll be honest i think you do um i know what you mean i know what you mean and here's why um because you're even taking you guys take the time out of your day to talk about these issues if you truly didn't believe or have any faith in the system you'd be you'd have grabbed a rifle um you'd have you'd have done whatever you feel like you can do because you're not being represented and so i'll give you i'll give you a great example so the faith in the system is and this this came to a very interesting discussion that i had with alan normandy who is the owner and CEO of battle comp industries most people don't know them if you watch myth busters and every time the myth busters went out to the alameda range to

blow something up he was the lieutenant that was always kind of talking with them that's alan normandy i was seeing next to allan when he told me this and i finally was like oh my god that's you right so he's an awesome dude uh mentor is pretty cool dude he is a cool dude he is a cool cool dude mentor of mine um he's kind of one of those guys that when he talks you just listen because he's got some sage advice and during the boston bombing uh i was i was livid about the swat team is going in people's homes uh when there was no probable cause nor a reasonable articulatable suspicion other than there's a bomber somewhere in the city and they just started going into doors and pointing guns at families even though the families were like the doors are locked

there's no one in here they were like breaching doors and going in and i said this is a this is an absolute violation the fourth amendment and now the police were claiming no exigent circumstances very you know national security blah blah blah and alan not publicly but kind of we call he called me and we talked and he goes hey dude here's the deal he goes if you think any cop goes through their entire career that wants to be a good cop and they do everything constitutional because it's not possible you're a human being he goes the beauty of the check and balances and the judicial review that we have is that there will be mistakes and there were after the after the boston bombing there was a lot of review about what happened and some things were validated

some things were said you guys can't do that again but then the court also said there is an understanding of why you did what you did it was wrong but you didn't have hostile or ill intent when you did it and so if if i don't know where it is where a gay pride flag can't be burned i know if that's federal or if it's a state but the reality is is that someone needs to burn the flag with no hostile intent towards anybody but for whatever reason they choose to burn the flag and they get cited or arrested and it has to go up to the court the appeals court the district or whatever uh and the supreme court of the united states and if there's faith in the system and we can say that it is illegal it is legal to burn the united states flag our colors

well that's our nation's flag and it's legal the faith in the system should say and i don't think it's happened yet. They'd be like, it is unconstitutional to arrest somebody for burning this piece of cloth that is not even a nationally recognized country flag, right? So if we get to that point where it is truly rules for thee and not for me, and there are lots of examples of that, but the beautiful thing isn't it, it's always aggravating when you have an administration that is doing egregious things to the Constitution. But then they are fighting legal battles of great things that were done wrong to the American people. The ATF recently is a great example. They're like, we're not even going to push the case further because now the reason, what they're saying

is the new administration does not agree with the lawsuit from the previous administration. So we are losing the case intentionally. That is a great example of it because they know if they were to go to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court's been like, we've slapped you around so many times, you know you're going to lose, but the other administration was doing it just to tie them up and bankrupt them and make a big political spectacle about the whole thing. So what I was mean by faith in the system is if it truly is where no matter what the judicial the judicial body of the united states will not look at the constitution and actually do their due diligence it is time to grab rifles we are not there we are not i agree so so that's that's it i mean i think i think

what what phil means by when he said that he has a faith in the system he has very little faith in the people that are currently in the system. Oh, 100%. 100%. And that's the benefit is... Let me correct you very slightly. And Trex right. I'm still clinging to a tiny little shred of like,

I would say autistic optimism at this stage. But like what frustrates me about the system is y'all know that like my big passion project for over a decade has been screaming and yelling bloody murder on the internet about the second amendment. My

views are not hard to figure out. Anybody that's curious, just let your fingers Google. And I'm not hard to figure out in a nutshell. I think you ought to be able to buy RPGs out of a vending machine. If that's not your thing, that's cool. That's everybody's out of their opinion. But all that being said, what

frustrates me is that in that one tiny little microcosm, I've watched our courts from local to Supreme Court, slice and dice at issue every which way they can to make these tiny, narrow-ass little rulings that in the totality of circumstances don't make sense when you add them up together. Like our legal landscape of gun laws across this country is insanity.

And yet I continue to watch the system hold its hands over its eyes and do everything humanly possible not to admit that the plain text of the Second Amendment says exactly what it says in the most sociopathic, retarded way humanly possible. over and over and over. So when I say I have little faith, my worry track is that I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you in a world where our government function properly and our court system wasn't run by

ideologues of both stripes, then yes, I'm confident that we could come to an agreement that you could burn flag A and flag B or not burn flag A and flag B, and then we could debate whether or not that's the correct standard, but it would at least apply both directions. I am struggling with faith at this point, though, because I feel like they would find a way to rule to divide those two things into different categories, so you could burn flag A but not flag B, and which way the ruling went would depend on what damn court it wound up in. Or in the case of the Supreme Court, it would depend on who happened to be on the bench at the time.

And, like, I feel like our judicial system, which, to be perfectly honest, has turned into the de facto legislative branch because legislators won't do damn jobs anymore. But, like, we've come to the point where they are ruling based on opinion rather than rationality and legality. And that's, that's why my faith. Well, yeah, it's tough. I mean, when a Supreme Court justice makes a ruling, it is they're making their opinion on their interpretation of the Constitution, right? And so make no mistake, too. And the faith in the system doesn't have to be the government either. And I'll give you a great example.

When someone says they have faith, generally, people go, they're religious. I would think most people would agree with that. Well, I am not a religious man. I have a lot of faith. My faith is in my friends, family, countrymen, neighbors, and they all vary on different levels of what that faith is. So faith in the system is also. And what I love is American ingenuity.

They make these silly laws. It is getting fought in the judicial. But then you have companies like Franklin Arsenal that is like, oh, by the way, we read exactly what you said. And we've just designed a 223 rifle, designed to fire multiple projectiles with barrels under 12.5 inches. Thereby, it fits the definition of neither a rifle nor a short barrel rifle. It is a firearm.

And then the ATF fights it. And at lower level justice is like, yeah, they got you there, man. And that one was pretty good. So that is the American. I mean, we fight. We as Americans, we don't like the crown that's in our nature. But also we have to understand that the country will change. And the amendments to the Constitution can be overridden.

And it does take a hell of a lot to make that happen. And the forefathers knew that. And you and I, the three, you know, we all might say, well, I hope I'm not alive if they overturned the first or the second or the four, you know, whatever the amendments might be. But the nation at that time will have been the majority and met that legal requirement. I hope it never happens. But that is just the reality. So I have faith in the system enough that I'm not fighting the system, but I also have faith enough in the system that Americans, what's our first thing? Civil disobedience, organization, protest.

testing, writing our representative officials saying, you will not be in office. My dream is that we actually, as a country, come together and create a third party called the steward party, which is a bunch of people that say, we are not actually going to do anything other than a full review. We're going to get in office, and we're going to do a full review of these two Yahoo groups that have been running it, and we're going to be stewards, get the country back on track, and then pass it on. I just have this dream where we could actually do something like that. It never happened because we're too partisan. but that's my dream, right?

And that's because we have the ability to do it. I just don't know if we can come together enough to do it. But I have faith in the system, not just enough in the government over all the checks and balances, but I have great faith that Americans aren't going to, they're not going to let homes be unaffordable for very long. They're not going to allow the economy to keep getting where it's at. They are not going to, you're not going to be able to tell the majority of Americans that this boy calls himself a girl and now we can go in with your daughters and change his clothes

at the same time i have enough faith that americans be like that's cool that your kid wants to be a chick and you can love him for it and as long as he doesn't hurt me one that's fine but he's not going in with my kid and he's not going to be spiking the ball into my daughter's face 100 miles an hour because he's eight feet tall and all the girls are you know five feet tall and that's the thing we're seeing it right now we're seeing a lot of things swing the other way because it reached a point where enough Americans said, no, this is, this is getting ridiculous. So, yeah, it's, it's a tough one, but you have to, we have to, if we're all sitting here, we have a little bit of faith in the system.

Otherwise, why would I be wasting my time with two friends? I wouldn't be, I wouldn't have a social media platform. I'd be out there, you know, in cahoots. I'd be plotting. But, but right now I have enough faith in the system to say, let's do all the other things before grabbing a rifle because we're not there yet. We're not there yet. No, no, I agree.

we absolutely are not there. Especially for all of you have been listening. We're not there yet. So we're still at the soapbox and voting and voting box or ballot box. I would rather never see it get to the cartridge box stage. I would also prefer we'd not get to the

cartridge box stage because you know, Trek, you said earlier you're not a historian, but I kind of feel like in 2025 there's enough information available that anybody that wants to be his story and can be, and I'm sure you've read a lot of it. Like, I've read enough history, and I'm sure Nick has, too, that like, we all know how social, how we all know how modern civil wars end up breaking down in moderately or highly urbanized areas. Spanish Civil War is probably the best example of it in semi-modern times.

Or the Bosnia, Croatia, let's see, what was the other one? Serbia, Egypt That's kind of where I was going was that In the last 30 years We've seen a handful I mean admittedly not like On the scale of what the United States would be Because of population and size

But we've seen enough Urban, modern civil wars To know it would be God awful And I'd really love for us to be able to not Get to that point in my lifetime I'd rather we figure out a way to walk back from his presbis. I guess I'll just continue to struggle

with my own emotions and my own faith. But it is difficult because damn it, these freaking people. Oh, we have comments. Stewart, we're not starting over. Sorry. Stewart always comes in about 45 minutes to an hour

after we start and then says start over. And we never have. He's like Gandalf. He's like, Wizard is never late. He always arrives right on time. Yeah, Stuart is never technically late. He's, we're in spirit he'll correct me on something i said tomorrow in the patreon chat oh well i mean he's correcting me on things i said eight you know seven and eight years ago so accurate well you are the fool that put up the old episodes again for him to go through and critique well to be

fair i put him up for all of y'all to enjoy again i wasn't expecting the crowd the crotch deal fart to like you know take it as his mission in life to drag me in front of everybody repeat line for line fact line for line fact check he keeps us he keeps us running straight man it's it's good to have he could figure out technology he'd start his own podcast and I could retire oh I would listen to that

that that dude has educated me on more miscellaneous stuff it is wild uh somebody said the two two three version is still for now it's still in SBR I was going to say I heard the 410 is the one that's that's technically a firearm I was going to say, do you all remember, was a Palmetta State Armory, or I forget who it was, but some years ago, they were going to put out, like, wasn't a smooth bore AR-15 specifically to jerk the ATF around?

Franklin was the one that did the straight rifling with the small football style of Jetiles. That's what it was. It's one of those, ain't no one serious going to buy it, but kudos for you for doing the American ingenuity to basically say, you know, we can design around whatever silly Furby. you put in. And so when I saw that, I was like, oh, good. I mean, I was like, kudos. I love it when someone shows the government their ass. At the same time, I'm like, oh, they're going to shut you down. But you're, you're going to spend some time and money on lawyers. But that's, that's, that's, that's basically what's happened with all the binary triggers and the FRTs was that somebody literally sat there and studied all of her gun laws said, I found margin and started

riding in the margin and you know to their credit they had to spend a lot of time standing in front of lawyers and judges to convince the government but that being said and since we've tripped into a gun conversation let's round out the last of this I have to throw these last two

bullet points out of quickly though because they kind of go into each other so the gun control narrative has been turned on its head because the shooter used a bolt action and in the same vein Lefties say Kirk was pro Second Amendment so he deserved this

which I have to admit is probably the most retarded take I've heard throughout this whole thing was basically people shouting over and over and over this is why we need gun control because too many people have guns. Well and yet the shooter used

what an 80 year old bolt action millsner a retooled Mouser probably a World War 2 era Bowser. Yeah but my point is I know No, they're all screaming and yelling right now that it was a sniper rifle, so we need to ban them. But it's like, I'm sorry. I'm 42 years old, guys.

I've been listening to at least a solid 20 years of hysteria over AR-15s. And all of a sudden, we have this high-profile thing that doesn't fit the narrative about AR-15s being used for mass shootings. But they still go straight to, but when you're going to... Well, this won't be the first podcast to have said this on, but he's on. here's here's my take on using a tragedy and a murder, a crime, like what happened to Charlie Kurt for a demonization or a gotcha moment for the Second Amendment. I've made my living in the past 15 years. As a firearms instructor, I was in the profession of arms, the military for nearly a decade. If you see me, I've probably got a blaster on. I've got bathroom MP5 and shower Uzi and everything

else an American should have. But the reality is, if I'm murdered tomorrow with a bow and arrow, an old Mauser, an Uzi, an AR-15, I will haunt anybody that tries to take away the rights of the rest of my countrymen because I got killed with a gun. That's the dangerous freedom that was talked about, you know, deserved neither freedom nor or security or liberty, as a paraphrase, quote, went. Yeah, when I was in Iraq, we had a rule of engagement. Every Iraqi was allowed. Every Iraqi family was allowed to have an AK-47.

They could have 130-round magazine for defense. But we had rules of engagement that if we saw anyone with an RPG, dragging off, scoped weapon of any kind, it was a shoot-on site engagement, if they were an Iraqi military-age male. I was more terrified in a guard tower of a guy with a PSL with a with a Dragonoff the new he was doing than a guy with an AK-47 in full auto with a PCAM, whatever it might be, because generally when someone's got a rifle like that, they know they have limited ammo and they've probably trained for it unless someone just handed it to him and said make good life choices, which generally isn't the case. A gun, Charlie Kirk could have been killed with a crossbow. He could have been killed with a spear. If the person had the ability, opportunity, and the intent to do it, it could have happened.

His bodyguards, a guarantee you were armed. The police were armed. The shooter, shooters, whatever we're going to find out, had a window. They took it. Security wasn't covering that. But I guarantee you, if the guy had rushed Charlie with a handgun, he probably would have found out something about the Second Amendment from his security detail. If they had had a counter sniper, just like what happened in... Yeah, as far as we know what happened in Pennsylvania, I mean, that was a great example of, you know, you have, you got the right to carry this gun the moment you commit a crime with it.

Oh, by the way, here's some Second Amendment coming at you in a 338 Lapua Magnum, right, or whatever, 300 wind mac, whatever the rifle was that was used. Yeah, that is a great, it's a great, they feel good because they say it, oh, he was pro-Second Amendment and that bit them in the rear end. The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about you have the right to murder people. It says that you have the right to protect against tyranny. Tyranny also includes murdering you and you have the right to have a firearm to stop the murder of you and your family and your countrymen and innocent life and yada, yada, yada. And I guarantee if Charlie Kirk was alive today, he would say, don't you think for it, don't anybody try to take away somebody's Second Amendment rights just because I will die or have died from a firearm wound. yeah i i still have some issues with the the weapon that we're being told was used and it's not because the capability of an old mouser um it just there's some other issues to go with it but um 200

yard people 200 yard shot is not hard 200 yard shot is not hard i can put a novice shooter behind just about any rifle and have them pulling head shots at 200 yards within an hour it's not difficult yeah so um yeah the gun the gun the gun argument with the with just like any other murder i mean it's amazing how politicians will they'll say look what charlie kirk said we should take away the second amendment rights and then when chicago is getting shot up by um illegally stolen glocks with switches that are coming in from timu um they blame it on me the guy that went through all the 44 73 the ATF 52 you know all the the form ones the form fours the form threes all that stuff my fingerprints you know what DNA swabs

whatever it is that they're going to be doing tomorrow so I can lawfully have my, you know, special cool guns. It's amazing. And that's that, you know, I don't trust the Greeks even when they bring gifts. Politicians, when they start clamoring that stuff, they're just doing it for clickbait or votes and leaning on the emotional, the lack of emotional control from members of their constituency. But this was not a Second Amendment issue. This was a bad guy with a gun in a country where there's the most, guns in the world managed to get a good shot on a really good guy and nobody got him beforehand and that's that's just the way it is but weren't it we should not did we lose track hopefully not

oh that was like going on no you're good now frozen but you know I've said this before and I'll say it again the guns aren't the problem because look if I wanted to I could go down to the hardware store right now and I could build a bunch of IEDs it is not complicated it is not difficult to make something to do violence with in my no no i think anybody could do it it's not difficult it doesn't it doesn't matter if it's in minecraft or not it's not difficult the knowledge is out there the tools are out there why don't i do it because i'm not an evil person i'm not looking the former japanese former japanese prime minister was shot with uh basically a modern electric fire fire muzzle water.

Drive-bys on bicycles are being done in London with slam-fire single-shot 12-gauge made out of, you know, steel-water pipe or, excuse me, iron water pipes. Acid attacks in Paris. Right. The acid attacks in Europe. Cutting open a bunch of batteries, harvesting the acid, or grabbing Drano and throwing it in somebody's face. An evil person is going to find a way to do evil.

Let's go on a bigger scale, though, and talk. about like the Oklahoma City bombing. It was basically a truck full fertilizer and... Ammonium nitrate fertilizer. You can buy that at your local garden center. Yes. Not that I want to espouse

too much of that, but like, let's just leave it at... Oh, it's a little more complicated than just bags of fertilizer, but it's not, but it's not so much more complicated that a determined individual couldn't figure it out. I mean... And that's my point, though, Phil. That's my point is that we're

Regardless of what we take away, you cannot take away all of the basic tools that make modern life possible. And a lot of those basic tools that make modern life possible can also be used to do terrible violence. It's been said on more than one occasion by more than one person that the only way to, the only way to remove guns from society is take away the knowledge of how to build guns. And, you know, like Trek. Best of luck. You need toolmakers to make your medical stuff. Yeah. Well, I mean, and track's been on the show time and time again talking to say repeatedly say you can't stop the signal. But like the truth of the matter is is that somewhere buried in a book in the back of a dusty library will be always be a book that tells you how guns work. And like this is the conversation I've had people that don't know a lot about firearms. Like people are people think when I talk to them about reload a moat ammo, they think it's witchcraft or like it takes an industrial estate. And I'm like, no, no, no. It just takes this little press and these little dyes and like, you know, you just smell. mash stuff together and you have bullets and they think that's

that's black magic. You really want to. You can do it with a seat clamp. That's true. But the same thing applies to firearms to a degree. When I explain to people how firearms work, I'm like, it's not really as complicated as you think it is. I mean, I don't want to oversell it and say you could like whittle a gun

out of a piece of wood, but I have seen an AR-15 lawyer that was made out of a block of wood. And it worked. So, I mean, it's not that far out of pocket. These situations are always complicated with a lack of understanding of the subject at hand. I mean, we've seen it. I don't think we need to dive into it. There is so much bad info coming out about everyone trying to Monday morning quarterback, you know, the film. People have clearly never shot a rifle. They

don't know anything about soft or hard body armor. That's fine. We don't need to get into it. But that is, I may be a subject matter expert on firearms instruction and I'd like to think I'm pretty damn good at diagnosing, ascertaining, shooting techniques, and I can pretty much work on most of my guns blindfold. I built things with Dremels. But then you say, hey, let's go talk about Bitcoin, and I start drooling in my eyes crossed. So everybody's got a, everybody has a topic or topics that they're just not. And it's important that in those situations, you know, you don't walk up to the front of the airplane when you have no flight experience and try to give the pilot advice. And a lot of times that happens. And people,

people just can't say let me i just i really don't know let's you know lean on some experts that can actually give some great you know info brandon herrera um i'm really surprised on my shot show travels i never even met him but after right after trump's attempted assassination he did the gel head to try to just you know to dissuade all the crap about the the wound to the president's ear you know and it was done very tastefully and and in my opinion it was done very very well um but yeah it's there's a lot of bad information out there and you can't stop the signal 3d printing so i'll leave it this um there's two ways i look at it and people have asked me would you ever give up your guns and i said yes i will uh here's my criteria no bad guys can ever have them

and the government can't have them and if you can't prove to me that they can't and they can't then i will give up my guns but we know of course that will never happen so the answer is unequivocally not a chance in hell um but yeah the reality is people think that by laws or by signs that we're going to be able to create safe places and that we know that's not true. And I've always joked that one of the, a really interesting experiment that I would love to do that I can't do, of course, because it would be wrong in every way, is to have a, like, an interrogation room and have, you know, law enforcement there.

And you have the other side that's all pro-gun control and me that's, that's, you know, gun proliferation for good people. and say, all right, this is a gun-free zone. And I get patted down and they get patted down. We sit down and I say, would you agree there's a gun-free zone? We were just checked. And they say, yes, and I draw a gun and shoot them right in the face. That's the experiment, and maybe with an NLTA round, to get the point across that cops are human, politicians are human, politicians are corrupt, cops be corrupt, people are good, people are bad.

You cannot take someone and there's going to be. be somebody that the consequences of the law they do not care about and they they will die as the consequence of their action but they're going to get the crime out of the way and if you're not prepared for it there's nothing you can do you know i'm with the executive protection work that i've done i can only imagine uh my i'm glad my clients are very low profile um but they do there's always a threat assessment that's done if we're going somewhere with them and then we work to fill in those gaps the best that we can. I can only imagine what Charlie's team has as far as a threat assessment. And of course, we know now, especially it's been more disclosed about how many people

were rallying for his death. There's a lot of things about that that I am surprised that they were like, hey, let's do this open air thing when there's only six law enforcement, no spotters on the roof. But that's all, I can't money. But that was Charlie's thing, though. Oh, I know, but I'm just saying. His whole deal the entire time has been doing open air in front of all the student body. No, I, and I'm not, I'm not dogging their team. I am not doing this. I don't know enough about it.

But the reality is, I don't know that Charlie would have done it a different way. He very well may not have. And that is a choice that he certainly had the right to make. But the reality is, you could put, as we found out, and I got issues with that too, but you can put the former president, soon to be president of the United States, with counter-sniper's and counter-assault team guys. and somehow a kid gets on a roof and fires a shot. And so I don't know who said it,

but it was when Reagan was shot. If the person is willing to give their life in the commission of the crime, not even the president of the United States is safe. There was a guy that walked out of the crowd walking down the street in Washington to George, George HW, no, no, excuse you, GW, and literally walked right.

right up to him to hand him up to him and basically the president was kind of shell shock took the pen shook the guy's hand and then the secret service like tackled the dude but you walked right out of the crowd right up to the guy and if it had been an attempt it would have been all over before anybody could act so the reality is I need the people to have the right so the rights afforded and excuse me the rights protected on the second amendment they are afforded by whether it's our maker or natural law or just being the fact that you're a human being and especially an American we need people to have that right because it's the only chance you got Charlie had a chance with an armed security team had a chance if he had

been by himself with no security probably and he was not armed he would not have had a chance if he alone was on stage and had a gun he had a chance he had a chance and so that's all i'm looking for in my life is give me the chance if I die in an ambush if the person is better than me let me die with brass casings all over the ground you're running out of ammo and trying to use my handgun as a club hopefully I've snapped my knife off and broken it in the attacker and just like some Marines that fought and died in Vietnam they were found with their e-tools dead next to the guys that they had crushed their skull with it because they had run out of ammo they had run out of hand grenades and they just fought to the damn death. That's a mindset thing, but don't take away the

ability to have the tools. And so that whole demonization of the Second Amendment, it's more a cry for the rights to protect under the Second Amendment, what happened to Charlie Kirk, as far as I'm concerned. Trick, we got a question from the audience here for you. He's got a friend in Bozeman, Montana, looking to get some medical and first aid training. I know MDFI is not nationwide, But do you know somebody in the area that does that? Yeah, so we bring in, we actually don't do medical here in Michigan. We bring in our mentors, which is Dark Angel Medical. They're from Colorado.

So they do classes in Colorado. But if you're in the Montana area, I believe I'd reach out to Joe at Tactical Wisdom. I don't know if Joe does medical, but he is in a big circle of like-minded instructors. And he's now in Montana near Calispell. I believe he's doing a lot of stuff kind of working with the Shield Arms crew. And I guarantee he knows who he would recommend if you're in the Montana area. But if you feel like a trip to be able to. What was the name of the company?

He's, I actually don't know if his company. I think it's tactical wisdom, the company, but he has tactical wisdom on X. Okay. And Instagram. Okay. His first name's Joe. And he's in the circle in Montana. He's been doing the shield arms shield days.

And next year, I'll actually be out there doing a use of force and I'll get a chance to actually meet him in person. So I'm excited about that. I didn't think y'all were going to. deviate from what I figured y'all would when that came up but like I don't know when I saw that blast all across the internet and I wrote in a book a long time ago something about sniper rifle laws and a couple people at the time years ago when American insurgent got published

thought that was prophetic but I guess I kind of looked at it as like the natural progression of the narrative because we have to find we have to find a way to ban something tomorrow because like that's just that's the inevitable path of gun control. It's in the name Progressive. Yeah, it's a must push forward. It's AR-15s today. It'll be handguns tomorrow.

It'll be sniper rifles after that. It's always going to be something until we're back to using spears and sticks, and then they'll ask us to file the ends of those off. Like there is no end result to this except progress forward. It's not even progress towards a goal. It's just progress for it. I mean, look at the nonsense that's going on in Canada and the UK right now.

There is no, there's no rational... Yeah, you know, Canada, I read Summer Side of Life there, so I can't imagine, you know, Canada, people are like, oh, you can have anything you want in Canada. It's like, yeah, you can have like a 40-millimeter grenade launcher, but you can't use it for a defense, and there's storage things,

and I remember Les Stroud from Survivor Man, I used to watch that show religiously. He had this cool little 4-10, like, short-bill shotgun. I'm like, how's he got that? He's in Canada. You know, he's out in the bush there in Canada. But, you know, the U.K. is a great example of you're not supposed to have pointy knives and machetes. Guess who has them? All the bad guys walking around. And if you defend yourself like that in Ireland, that young lady that pulled out like the axe and the knife because she and her sister have been harassed by, you know, thugs. And of course, they arrested her, right? It is illegal to offend yourself in the UK. I mean, and that's the worst part about it, of course, are the politicians. But the worst part about it is look at. And I've got friends from the UK.

I don't mean any disrespect to that. But here is a nation that ruled the world. And you know they did it? They're guns. You could walk around the Sherlock Holmes and Watson. He had a sword cane. He was a veteran of the Afghan war. They carried their bulldog revolvers in the books.

And of course, then it just stopped. And it's been a self-defense free zone for a long time. and they're on the outs. I mean, they have fallen so far from the nation that they were, and it was the death of a thousand cuts. They kept, as Phil pointed out, they take the point off your kitchen knives. You can't have guns.

They say no sharp sticks. And oh, by the way, no stick now over two feet, because if it's three feet, you can whack somebody on the head. No chelalies anymore. Take away the old folks walking sticks, because they could be used as a defensive weapon. But then zero consequence for those that, violate because they're of an immigrant status or of a political party we won't prosecute them

and it's it's there i don't know how much longer the uk and some of the other countries germany uh i've heard horrible things about a lot of european countries from people that live there that it's just it's unrecognizable and that's it is it's we are on that path if we do not correct uh the good thing is is how ingrained self-defense is in the american uh in our history so it'll take a lot more a lot of countries like australia when they did the big uh push for i think it was like no anything but a bolt action rifle and maybe a break action shotgun or something like that they were kind of like yeah we really appreciate let's have this stuff for that you know this many decades so here you go here's it back versus us were like

uh my grandpa pappy uh carried a gun and and my dad carried a gun and i'm carrying a gun and if you want it come get it bullets first i mean and that's just a different mindset of being an American, right? So yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's really tragic when we get to, you hear horrible stories from people that in any constitute, U.S. constitutional use of force, they, they would have absolute right to burn the bad guys down, but they defend themselves and then they get, you know, thrown and incarcerated and their, their lives ruined over it. So, yeah, I, I think, kind of echoing back to something that you had said earlier, though, was that, like,

we're not at the point of the cartridge box yet, but I kind of feel like that's where a lot of these other countries are heading. Yeah, the UK is there. When you get to the point where the average citizen is carrying around an axe to figure protect themselves from roving gangs so they don't get, you know, assaulted. So they don't get sex trafficked because that's what it was going to be for those two girls. Let's be honest. But I feel like you're at the, you're at a tipping point where like if the, if the,

if the political machine does not recognize that they are pushing these people to a point where they're going to pop and the reaction is going to be ugly and it's going be directed directly at them you know it's like the age old

it's like the age old whole dad is of like why do our politicians only act up a little bit because there's only so many of them and there's 300 million of us and if they ever did something to piss off all 300 and something million of us their existence as human beings would extinguish.

Like if they ever did something so egregious that the entire country wanted their hides, there'd be no stopping the people from deposing them from power. There is no assembly, there is no machine, there is no military, there's not enough feds, there's not enough of their people to protect them from 300 million pissed off Americans. And I feel like that's where a lot of these other countries are heading.

modern governments are taking a lesson from the Caesars. Give them bread and circus. Games, the gladiator games, were to satisfy and channel the anger and bloodlust of a population that was either starving or poor and basically just give them, you know, make them either fat or happy or direct all of that anger elsewhere. And that's all, it's, give them bread or circus is exactly what's happening. now in the bread and circus for us why do you think they're relaxing gambling laws and marijuana laws it's the same reason during covid when you're locking people down and taking away their freedoms that you allow

you know my uh firearms training company is not even though it's a training based on rights protect on the second amendment that's not essential um construction equipment is not essential but booze and pot is essential why give them bread and circus they're drunk and no i actually i actually did hear an argument for why keeping the liquor stores open was a good idea and lay it on it actually made a lot of sense so i got a buddy who's a nurse okay intensive care nurse the way he broke it down for me with the liquor stores was okay so we have a we have a pandemic the errs are full intensive care awards are full you have now stripped the one in whatever it was one in seven or one in eight americans who uh require alcohol to function on a daily basis you've now taken away

their alcohol now they are all in withdrawals where do we put them yeah where do you put them and and you know i hate to say it convinced me why the liquor stores needed to stay open at least for that yeah it's uh we it it is the classic if you forget history you are doomed to repeat it and we just we're staring we're staring right at uh lessons of empires that that fell and we're going oh man that'll never happen to us it's like bro you're you're literally doing the checklist yeah step by step i don't know about you all but i'm i'm running out of gas this this i expected this to be kind of an emotional unpacking because it's been an emotional last week and a half of everybody's life in this country but i don't know guys like

the things I've seen in the last 10 days, and to wrap this up, I kind of want to hear y'all's thoughts on this briefly, but like the things I've seen in the last 10 days have been a combination of extraordinarily sobering, upsetting, worrying, and some tiny little glimmer of hope when I saw what I expected was,

I expected for some people to dance on Charlie Kirk's grave. I fully expected that, especially after what I saw during COVID, like, I figured that it was coming. I've been pleasantly surprised at the sheer volume of normal, everyday people screaming the opposite direction saying, that's not okay. Whether you like the man or not is irrelevant, that's not okay. And that's been a silver lining to all this is that, like, some tiny shred of my faith in humanity has been restored. But I don't know where we go from here, and I kind of wonder where we'll go. I mean, how do y'all feel about this? I mean, it's, is that, is that tiny little glimmer of optimism founded?

I think that in this case, I think we need that optimism a little bit. We need to think that it can be made better so that we continue working towards making it better. I can't say I'm terribly surprised at the people, the people that I am seeing making the comments, celebrating a political assassination, can't say I'm surprised at those people. Those are the people I would have expected it from. Even the people in my personal life that I've seen it from, they're exactly who I would have expected it from. What I did not expect was the number of non-politically active individuals that came out of

the woodwork to condemn it and to say that it was unacceptable. And that I like to see. I hope it has awakened some of them and alerted some of them to what has been going on, has kind of knocked them out of their stupor in order to say, I need to start paying attention and I need to start being more engaged. And if it does and say, you know, midterms come up and things go in a positive direction and the next election comes up and things go in a positive direction, maybe we can slowly bring ourselves back to rights without things deteriorating further.

That's the way I hope it goes. Honestly, I don't have a prediction. I really don't. I wish I did. Track, what do you got? If I had a prediction, you'd call me Nostradamus, and I'd just tell you exactly who's going to win the lottery next week. Yeah, I consider myself a realist.

I think a lot of times to my family, they would consider me a pest, But it's because the things that you see, and I have a different outlook on things from whether it's military or law enforcement or doing the private investigation executive protection work. I always assume someone's an opponent until proven otherwise. So that's just kind of the mindset I have. I avoid large groups of people like it's the plague because of just past experiences. But this will be telling regardless of the outcome. I don't know what it's going to be yet. I think there's a lot of other. problems that are tied in transparency in the government promises that were made during the election that are clearly not being kept laws that are the laws for me but not for the just all the things that are going on so the best way that I can put it and how I would I'm going to hang up this conversation and go back to you know life in general is you know love your family get to know your neighbors don't become lazy in the political process doesn't mean you have to run for office, but writing letters

or at least holding your representatives accountable. Train. Don't get lazy. Running sucks. Rucking sucks. Maintaining your equipment ain't the funnest thing in the world. Do it because you never know when you might need it. And I would rather have a fully functioning gear, whatever that gear might be and die at a ripe old age, never having used it, then whether it's my body or my gear that's not ready and I need it. So, you know, build your community, be a good person, keep your head on a swivel, be polite, don't be friendly, and pay attention to what's going on. I watch, you know, I watch, I have a couple news sites every morning with breakfast. Pay attention of what's going on, local, state, and national, because the whole don't go stupid places with

stupid people and do stupid things. I believe it was John Farm classic quote. There's a lot of places that right now are far more powder keg than others. And if you walk into it, because you might be the most prepared person in the world, but if you weren't prepared for your environment, you might be all kidded up in the wrong way. So just, yeah, I mean, every day, enjoy it. I'm just dealing with a family, recent family emergency, one of my family members got really injured. And you find out really quick how things can go from good to bad. So enjoy every day the utmost of your ability, but do your homework and stay fit, stay frosty, keep thinking, be willing to be wrong and listen to other people's points of view and understand that

you might get to a point where you just have to part ways. And that's the way you want to do it. You don't want to try to force somebody to drink your Kool-Aid because you wouldn't want them to force you to drink their Kool-Aid. So as always, it's always great to come on here and kind of stretch the cerebellum and talk about things that are going on. I don't think there's black smoke on the horizon yet. I hope there isn't.

And we can certainly talk about other things going on in the future. Always great to have you on, Chuck. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me on again, guys. It's always great to have track on, if for no other reason and the fact that, like, you're one of the few people that will happily call me on my BS when I start to indulge in the Black Bill a little bit too much. We all need that sometimes. I appreciate that. I am absolutely a pessimist, and sometimes I need to be reminded.

I'm like, we're not quite at the, we're not quite at the black flag point yet, Phil. But thanks, track. Thanks for coming on, man. It's always a blast. If you ever see me, if I'm ever wearing like a burlap sack, I got a tomahawk. and a musket and I come running out to you going, you see any red coats? Then you know, it's time. Just kid up and follow me and

we'll go do it back. We'll try to keep up. All right. Matter of fact, is going to go out the door. Hug your wives, hug your kids, hug your spouses, hug your pets. Well, and maybe not the cats because they don't like hugging most of the time. But take care of each other, guys. There's been a brilliant bright light

was extinguished in the universe recently. And if you don't agree with a thing the man said or a thing the man stood for, you have to at least agree that the fact that he was willing to stand up in front of people who did not agree with a thing he had to say and calmly defend his points of view was a brilliant, beautiful thing to watch. And it's really unfortunate and saddening to me that someone, rather than stand in front of him and debate him, thought that the end of a muzzle was the best way to make him be quiet. Just proved he was right. What's the old saying about Terror Man's Tongue out?

It doesn't prove him a liar It's a quote from Game of Thrones Give it to me for a second Yeah, I don't remember the exact quote When you tear out a man's tongue It does not prove him a liar Only that you feared what he may say Let that stew for a bit

Matter of fact is going out of the door Good night everybody take care I talk to you on another week We have another guest next week Normal time, normal place Bye Tonight We're going to be able to be.

You're going to be able to be. Thank you.