The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Preppers LIVE: Jason Hanson Former CIA_the Deep State is Middle Management (REPLAY)

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

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I don't know. It's your call. But I thought I'd do a brief sort of live intro with you guys. And then we'll run the show. So it's Preppers Briefly Live. I recorded the show about a week ago, handed it over to the members to listen to. Jason Hansen, thrilled to come back on. He will be on again, probably in a Preppers Live, in the live form and fashion. But this is a great interview, man. This is a really interesting take. What's interesting about this guy,

who is definitely a Prepper, and I'm sure became one through what he experienced in his career, but it's interesting to get a take on preparedness and things like that from a guy like this. You know, it's almost, you know, it almost gives you a little bit of a, I don't know, a little pat on the back. We're doing the right things,

even though we know we're doing the right things, you know? So great show tonight, PBN family. I hope you enjoy it. I don't have a link in the show description. I'll have to put it in there. But just a quick heads up. If you didn't hear the show, we got the Survivor's Guide to Wild Medicinal Herbs out today. My new book, my latest book over at Amazon.com, Survivor's Guide to Medicinal Wild Herbs. Just search that, James Walton. It'll come right up if you're interested. It is in paperback. I would not recommend the Kindle version. It is in paperback, and it should be in hardback

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gastro or whatever the situation is. But it's a completely different situation to incorrectly identify a plant, make a tincture or decoction out of it, or even a tea, and give it to someone who's very ill and find out who've made them even worse because of it. You know, identification gets a lot more, a lot easier with experience. There's no doubt about it. But, you know, if I'm standing there and I'm looking at, if I'm looking at, I'm drawing a blank. If I'm standing there and I'm looking at Queen Anne's lace, okay?

Because Queen Anne's lace tends to grow near hemlock. And if you're looking at those two, you can get confused, right? They can be dangerous. Poison hemlock is not just going to make someone in your life sick. It's going to kill them. So if you're going to go down the path of foraging, if you're going to go down the path of medicinal wild herbs and plants and trees, you need pictures, color pictures. Okay. So get yourself some books with some great color pictures. What else? Come join us over at Rumble.

Please come join us over at Rumble. We're doing awesome stuff over there. We had a great one today. And, you know, it's going swimmingly. I don't want to talk about Trump. I don't care about all that stuff. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. I'll tell you, well, I can't tell you that because it's not fair,

but it'll be a very interesting, it'll be a hot time in the old town tonight. Okay. I guess I'll go with that. I don't, I don't feel compelled, you know, by any of this stuff. I really don't. Any of this, the Tucker and the Trump and the... What else is going on? I don't feel compelled by any of this kind of stuff lately. I really don't. None of it. None of it. I'm compelled by what's happening here at PBN.

That's what's got me. These incredible shows. There's connections being made behind the scenes. I've been talking to someone. I can't really announce it yet, but a great conversation today. That just, you ever make a connection? My network is just, I'm obsessed with the network right now. You know when you hear those people and you want to slap them?

I'm like, you need to build your network. You need some cards. Get yourself some business cards and give them out and you need to build your network. You hear those people. When you don't have a network, you're like, what's this idiot talking about? I don't like anybody. But the reality is there are diamonds in the rough. And over a 10-year period, man, I have really sussed out a lot of diamonds. And now I'm starting to put them together with other gems in my life, and it's, uh, things are happening. You know, things are happening all the time.

And it's a beautiful thing. I mean, it really is. It's a beautiful thing. So I find myself, you know, I'm on the precipice of yet another great announcement for the network, another incredible situation, a huge benefit for you guys, the listeners, and the members. I mean, it's...

Stay tuned, okay? It could be as soon as tomorrow. But it's one of those situations where sometimes a puzzle piece just fits right in perfect. Speaking of puzzle pieces fitting in, once we finish up with this interview, I'm going to be interviewing the SoCal Prepper. Okay. The SoCal Prepper is a, we'll call her a contributor to the Prepper Broadcasting Network, okay? I think you're going to dig her a lot. She has a very, very unique take on prepping and a very, very unique take on life, as you can imagine, right? Coming out of Southern California, being a conservative, being a prepper.

Yeah. It's going to be fun. Stay tuned for that. That'll probably hit the airwaves. That'll probably hit the airwaves tomorrow morning-ish. Okay? Maybe tomorrow afternoon. What is tomorrow? Tuesday, right? Yeah. So stay tuned for that. That's a new layer. Okay? for that. That's a new layer. We've got more crazy stuff going on. This week is absolutely balls to the wall. It really is. We got Sean Rowland on. The CEO from Jace Medical will be on Wednesday on the I Am Liberty show. He's coming on to give us the breakdown on their one-year prescription offering now. Jace Medical is not just offering their Jace case of antibiotics, which is, listen, well, I'll tell you a quick story. We can burn some time.

My wife got a little bit of a tooth thing going on, right? Went to the dentist, got it taken care of, came home. A few weeks, something like a week, a little under a week went by. You know, still pain, right? Still pain, still a problem. And we said, you know, it looks like it could be an effect. She's going to go see the dentist, of course, again. But it's, you know, you start to think about these things.

You start to think, in this kind of a situation, what would you do? Now, you can turn to plant medicine for some kinds of antibiotic properties in plants. They call it an amoxicillin. And you know, what happens in my life now, because I have Jay's case, right? What happens in my life now is, I look to see when my kids or when my wife or even when I get called in an antibiotic. I look and go, could I have handled that? Moxicillin is in the Jace case. So it lets you know, hey, if I have a situation where we got tooth problem, infection, something along those lines, we can handle it with the Jace case. Doesn't matter what's going on in the world. Doesn't matter if there's war with China. Doesn't matter if they said they're not going to make any more medicines for us. Doesn't matter. We got what we need, okay? Jace case for every member of your house. I'm not there yet, but when I get to that

point, that's where I want to be. I want to have a Jace case for every member of the house. Five antibiotics, right? Doxycycline, just in case. Just in Jace case. But Sean will be on. Listen, if you like the sounds of the Jace case, go to jacemedical.com. Use the promo code PBN.

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One year's worth of prescription medication. Can you believe that? One year's worth. You know, if you're one of those people, you're on statins, you're on whatever it is, one year's worth. Okay? You take the deepest sigh of your life. It's a big deal. So he'll be on.

You're going to meet Sean Patrick Tarrio from Mark 37. Mark 37, man. That's going to be a great interview. He's a very interesting guy. He is a guy who is fully on board with get off of the technology. Stop with the iPhone. Stop with the Android, stop with the Google. And he's built a business around that. And his take on all of it is very interesting.

I think you're going to like Sean. I had a long conversation with him. He's a great guy. That'll be sort of like a Jason Hansen interview. We'll get that up at some point. Members, you'll get your first shot at that. And, yeah, I mean, that's what's going on at PBN, and I don't even know what the other hosts are doing.

That's just what's going on on my end. We've got, you know, Double Barrel Tuesday. We've got Judson on Thursdays. We've got, I mean, on Wednesday, we've got the Thursday crew and Tim and Dane and Strange Truth. It's just, well, you know what it is. It's the Relentless Prepper Broadcasting Network. So without further ado, we're going to, do we? Yeah, yeah, we'll run a couple. We're going to run a couple ads.

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Again, that's the Prepper's Medical Handbook by William W. Forgy. We are The Prepper Broadcasting Network. I guess, you know, the question that would probably get my audience's goat right off the bat is kind of, you know, what's a guy like jason hansen thinking about these days worried about paying attention to what kind of indicators are you

watching because you know you you kind of have an ear to the ground in a way that we don't did i lose you there yeah no no i. Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, obviously, there's many things that I'm concerned about that's on my mind these days. I'd say one is overall self-defense, meaning the crime wave, all the people out there who are getting slaps on the wrist and no prosecutors are actually making them pay for what they've done. So I spend a tremendous amount of time teaching self-defense, but I also practice

it myself and do that. So that's certainly on the top of my mind. And then, you know, a totally different thing in the spectrum is the whole grid scenario. Without going into details, I can tell you about intelligence operations that literally kept a major part of the United States grid from going down, and it would have been a major catastrophe. So I'm all about making sure that I've got my generators, my solar, my gasoline, my propane generator, and that I've got plenty of solar panels, I've got plenty of food storage and all that. So, you know, obviously, none of us knows when a major disruption is going to occur. But I've got two years worth of food storage, and I've got six kids, which means that's a heck of a lot of food storage.

But, hey, I'm prepared. I have peace of mind. So those are two of the biggest things on my mind at the moment. So from the standpoint of the—we talk a lot about off-grid. Lately, one of the things I've been saying to my listening audience, since we're approaching what seems like an almost unavoidable war situation with some superpower, or the other, or both, that war equals off-grid. And I've been saying that for a while now, just to get the audience's head space kind of where your head space is, which is, you know, we've got to be prepared for waking up and maybe the lights don't

come on and maybe they don't come on for a long time or ever again. What are your thoughts on the satellite phones going to congressmen and women? Yeah, well, I think you hit the nail on the head, meaning you've got to prepare for long term. And, you know, I've got satellite phones myself, but, you know, any kind of technology, I'm not going to bet my life on meaning, you know, any kind of gear, you know, technological gear. So satellite phones, whatever it may be, is certainly fine. But I think most people are under the false assumption that if we have some kind of grid down scenario, it's going to be like, okay, you know, in two weeks all is going to be well in two weeks,

I'm going to be back to normal. So what I tell people is you need a plan for six months at least. And one of the things I cover is obviously financial preparedness. You should have gold, you should have silver, you should have emergency cash. But if it looks like it's going to be a long-term grid down scenario, which I believe it will, you better get rid of all that gold, all that silver, all that cash within the first two weeks. Because everybody else is going to say, heck yeah, I'll give you this for a gold coin, or heck yeah, I'll barter this for silver. Because in their mind, in two weeks, this is going to be done with, where six months from now, nobody's going to give two craps about your $10,000 in cash or your American Eagle gold coins.

So get rid of all your money early on. On border for all supplies you can get, because people will think they're taking you to the cleaners. But six months from now, you're going to be the one who's laughing at the bank. So always long term. That's something that has been ingrained in me over and over. I'm very good at is I always look for the long-term play, and most people don't do that. I like that mentality. That's an interesting one.

Get the cash out early. Clean the coffers out early. Yeah, I don't know who made the decision to hand out those satellite phones, but does that indicate to you that the government understands something that maybe most Americans do not about the threat level that we face right now? Or, you know, the other side of the coin is, is that just, you know, the dangers of January 6th, we have to protect our representatives? Is it a play for that? Or maybe a little bit of both? Yeah, it's a little bit of both. So yes, you know, most Americans don't realize the major threats we face. Most Americans, you know, obviously,

I'm ex-CIA. Most people don't see the operations and they don't hear about all the success stories because, you know, most agency guys are operating in the shadows. They do amazing work. They're wonderful men and women. And so you don't hear about all the threats they stop. So we do have a tremendous amount of threats against us these days. On the flip side of that is, you know, these congressmen and women, there's somebody who's got an extra budget. There's some gear guy who says, hey, you know, we got an extra whatever. And they're they're freaking out and saying, yes, get us sat phones, get us this, get us that. So it doesn't mean necessarily that, hey, stuff is coming down the pipeline tomorrow. But any American who is not prepared, who doesn't think it's going to come eventually. And of course,

as I always say, the million dollar question is, is it next week? Is it next month? Is it 10 years down the line? But it is inevitable. All right. This is important. And it's, I don't know. Probably the most interested question I have for you is, being former CIA, watching CIA show up in the news, not as much CIA, more FBI, more IRS showing up in the news the way they're showing up in the news. Lots of people are developing sort of a general distaste for the intelligence agency in the united states it feels to me like and many people that i know that they've been sort of let off some kind of leash and it's out of hand like it's out of control the things that are happening yeah first of all do% agree with you. it's the DEA it's all those organizations that are in the U.S. but yeah they I will say if if you and I did as civilians anything they did we'd be in jail yesterday but they get a slap on the

wrist I mean they I can't remember there was some statistic of how many illegal warrants or wire taps or whatever it was that the FBI had last year and it's pretty much just like oops you know sorry for violating your rights. Oops, we made a mistake kind of thing. And there's no real, there's no real consequences for them, because of course, they're the government, they can get away with murder, literally. So I would be concerned if I was the average citizen, and I do agree with you. Okay. So I'm looking at my son the other day, Jason. I have two boys, 11 and 7. And I've been thinking a lot about this FBI issue, ATF issue, IRS issue in the nation.

And I started thinking to myself, you know, that probably he is the answer to that. And what I mean by that is not, you know, my son's going to show up and change everything. But I mean, pushing a generation of freedom-loving Americans in the direction of leadership in those agencies is probably the best effect that we could have to sort of root out the problems that we have. I know that's probably a long-term plan, and they could do a lot of damage between then and now. You're a little more intimately involved in not those organizations in particular, but this whole sort of governmental scope. And what would you do if you were tasked with like, hey, let's get back to operating procedure the way that it should be? operating procedure the way that it should be. Let's stop, you know, really accosting Americans who have done next to nothing wrong or nothing at all wrong and becoming this sort of terror force in the nation that people are really worried about. How do we get back to,

how would you get these intelligence agencies and these other organizations that are, you know, massive government bureaucracies like the ATF under control? Wow, that's a great question. First, you need to fire about a third of them because about a third of every government employee is worthless. And that excluding the military, and I will say excluding the CIA because you've got to have them overseas protecting us, you've got to have the military. But other than those two organizations, you know, excluding the CIA because you've got to have them overseas protecting us. You've got to have the military. But other than those two organizations, you just get rid of a third people. They're deadbeats.

They're not doing anything. You've got to put people in there who support and defend the Constitution. And obviously that's easier said than done. One of the big things I'm often asked about is the deep state. And most people do not understand the deep state correctly. I'm often asked about is the deep state. And most people do not understand the deep state correctly. And I think the deep state is, you know, Biden and it's who he's appointing or whatever. But the deep state is actually the mid-level managers in these organizations in the FBI. These are these guys. Yeah, it's middle management because these guys aren't appointed. They're not, you know, here for four years. And then when Biden loses or whoever loses, they're gone. It's these guys aren't appointed. They're not here for four years, and then when Biden loses or whoever loses, they're gone.

It's these guys who are entrenched, these guys who it's nearly impossible to fire somebody in the government. So these guys get in there. They do their 30 years. They're the ones that cause the most problems. Were these people strategically placed there by Obama? Is that my conservative knee-jerk reaction or is that is there truth to that yes and no a lot of these people just have liberal leanings to be honest i mean they're not

yeah they're not going in there to you know again they're not political employees they're people who say you know what i'm you know i see what's wrong in this country and we need to have socialism or we need to have we need to overthrow the Second Amendment. I mean, they're just you know, they they slip through the cracks and they're entrenched. They're sitting there for 30 years. They know they're untouchable kind of thing. I mean, I'll tell you a story from my intelligence, my intelligence days without going into too much detail. There was this woman I worked with. She was a black woman and she was a deadbeat and all the other black women hated her because they would say, Hey, we work our tails off. We do really good work, which they did. And she says,

the problem is, is there's a stereotype and she makes it, she makes it that much harder for us as black women are actually doing great stuff. And's making it harder because she's a deadbeat black woman woman and so one time i was talking to this deadbeat black woman and she said to me and i kid you not she said jason i'm black and i'm a woman i'm untouchable and yeah yeah she said that to me and she was right i mean she's not going anywhere but and she was causing all kinds of problems but she knew she was untouchable and she was more mid-level manager and obviously it doesn't matter a race or a gender or whoever the mid-level manager is but it's these people who are not supporting and defending the constitution they're the ones in the deep state they're the ones that cause the biggest problems because they're going to be there

for 20 to 30 years yeah i mean it makes perfect sense you get somebody you know it's an absolute power corrupts absolutely sort of scenario right they know they're not going anywhere they can make change they can do what they want and i'm sure it gets you know goes to their head wow so the mid-level management is the deep state what a what a quote the mid-level management of the U.S. government. It's not like some... No, no, it's cool. ...world superpower who's the eye in the sky. It's the 20... I mean, I was 23 when I joined the agency. I got in young. I was very fortunate.

But we know a lot of the young kids these days are so brainwashed with whatever idiotic thing they can think of. Oh, yeah, you're fresh out of university and you bring in your your professor's ideals into these into these organizations. And yeah. Right. Yeah. So you join you join the FBI, the ATF, whatever, at 21, 22, 23 years old. And you bring this horrible ideology in there. And yeah, it screws it up for the next 30 years. That is wild. That is wild. Thank God I asked that question.

So one-third gets the chop in order to solve this problem, and that helps root out some of these people like your friend that you had over in your area who wasn't doing a damn thing. And what else? What else do we do? Is there, you know, is it a Congress level thing? I really like the RAINS Act. I really like this idea that these, you know, we have to be able to vote on whether or not the ATF can just say, oh, people are felons now because they have an arm brace, which I think took effect today, right, or yesterday. Well, a federal judge thankfully stalled it until – put an injunction until they get more info. So it was supposed to go into effect yesterday, but a Texas federal judge stopped it for further review or whatever legalese they're doing.

So it has not gone in effect yet. What do you think about that? This is what bothers me lately about, more so than ever, about politics in America is we have people stuck in this perpetual fear. It's a perpetual anxiety because you know, because nobody feels safe because the Texas judge said, all right, we're going to push that off. Right. It's good. Don't get me wrong. But it's just another thing for the average American gun owner to worry about. Now they got to think, OK, well, I remembered that it was this date and this date. I might have to make a change. But now I have to worry about it for another six months on top of, you know, everything else that's happening in the world and in the nation at large. And it's just it seems like government more now more than ever is playing into this.

And I don't think it's purposeful or conspiratorial. I just think it's bad running of a government where people are put in these perpetual anxiety situations, like life is just a perpetual pit of anxiety while we wait to see what our government's going to do next. Let me tell you a true story based on a real operation, and it's going to tie into this question you just asked. Sure. So many years ago, my friend, and I can't name the country, he was doing an operation in a socialist country, right? And he recruited somebody very, very high up in the socialist government. And obviously you do deals with the devil all the time to get the

enemy of my enemy type of thing. And so my friend in this very high level socialist guy up in this government, you know, they became close enough where my buddy said to him and he said, listen, how can you honestly believe in socialism? It doesn't work. Everybody knows that type of thing. And this very high level guy in the government said, he said, of course, everybody knows socialism doesn't work and that it's terrible unless you're at the top and I'm at the top and it's great for me. And hey, I guess at least the guy was honest, right? I mean, if you're Vladimir Putin, if you're Fidel Castro, it's, you know, it's pretty good to be the king of the castle, right? Where the rest of the people starve.

So the point of that story is our government doesn't care about us. Our government is so detached. They are so hungry for power. We already talked about how power corrupts. So it goes back to the Congress people, congressmen, senators, you know, Dianne Feinstein, who says, no, you know, you can't have a gun. I'm going to ban the Second Amendment. But yes, I'm allowed to own a gun. You know, I'm allowed to have bodyguards with a gun. So yeah, it's, you know, she doesn't even know where she's at anymore. Right. Yeah. Yeah. She's yeah. Back in the day she did, but not these days. But that's how it is. If you're a Congressman or Senator,

you know, especially these, these democratic socialists, they don't get it. What do they care? They're making $175,000 a year, working very little off our taxpayer dollars. And obviously, you know, they're saying, I get that. I'm allowed to have that, but no, I'm not going to go pass it around. You guys spread the wealth, not me. I'm keeping my $175,000 for not doing much at all. So it really has just come down to they don't give a crap about us. They don't care about the American public. They're so hopped up on power. They're going to do what's right for them. Yeah, that's it. And the brownie points, right? Whatever the issue is of the day, we're going to push that issue and the people be damned.

Whatever they have to go through is what they have to go through. You know, that mid-level management thing has really got me right now, Jason, because it makes so much sense, it's unbelievable. Because I can just visualize it, you know? I have seen it firsthand in many, many places, and I always try and explain that to people. Like, I promise you, you do not know what the deep state is. You think you do, but I've been there.

I've seen it. I actually know what is causing the downfall of America, the real deep state. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it makes total sense. You get those impressionable youths out there fresh out of college. I mean, it's almost impossible to get out of college unscathed. Yeah, that's something. That is something. Thank you for thank you for your commentary on that.

That's big. Absolutely. So, I mean, I guess your career in the CIA had to have spawned what you do now, right? Yeah, I mean, I loved what I did with the agency. Wonderful place to work, but it's a single man's game. And I wasn't married at the time, but I had these amazing mentors. Very blessed to have some incredible mentors who trained me, taught me. I learned a lot from them. A lot of these guys were, you know, they were 30 years older than me, but they had horrible marriages or they were divorced. They

hated their wife and kids. And I was like, you know what? I, I want to get married someday. I want to have kids someday. Uh, I was with the agency for seven years and, you know, I finally was just like, listen, if I, if I don't leave after seven years, I'm never going to get out of here. And, you know, again, I loved what I did. So I started my own security company when I left the agency and have been very, very blessed to continue to do what I love to do. That's great, man. You've you've done some serious writing since you left. since you left.

I mean, just so you know, almost every host on the Prepper Broadcasting Network, we have 20 hosts now, they all, except for a handful, have written a book or several books. But you guys over at spybriefinggear.com, you guys have some books. What do you got, 30, 40 books over there?

Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, I like to write. What can I say? And, you know, my very first book, Spy Secrets That Can Save Your Life, turned into a New York Times bestseller, which was awesome. And so I've, you know, I've had deals with Penguin Random House and HarperCollins. I self-publish a lot of books. And what can I say? When I get an idea, you know, often what happens is I'll be talking to one of my CIA buddies and we'll be like hey remember that time and like hey that would make for a good book because that's stuff that could help people in the average American doesn't know so that's how a lot

of the books came to fruition I love this AR pistol home defense book for the times that we're living in right now that's interesting that's an interesting read you talked uh hey it's a great gun for close quarters sure yeah you talked a lot about um self-defense and i i noticed that this isn't the first time i've seen this rat fight concept and i'm guessing i've seen you before and didn't you know we hadn't connected yet. Is that something that you created? Or is that a concept built elsewhere? Yeah, yeah, that is actually from a buddy of mine named Paul Vunak. And Paul's claim to fame is that he trained the Navy SEALs back in the day

in hand-to-hand self-defense. And so Paul and I joined forces, and that's his book. I sell that book. I do have some self-defense books of my own, but his book is fantastic. It's a very simple concept to learn, and it works because plenty of our students have—well, not plenty, should I say. A handful of our students have used it. So yeah, it's a good self-defense book that keeps people out of trouble. What do people not understand about, let's say, let's say modern self-defense in America today? You know, like self-defense situations that we see on the news clipped all the time anymore. Well, what I train people always tell them, listen, it's going to be fast. You know, I can have a lot of time. It's not like the guy's going to be fast and you know i'm going to have a lot of time it's not like the guy's going to be in the walmart parking lot and scream to you hey in 10 seconds i'm going to come

and try and rob you or stick a knife in your back and it's going to be close quarters most likely so you're not going to have a lot of room to maneuver and you know i train a lot of people and some people come to me very high net worth guys in this you got two days you've got two days to give me everything i'm going to need which i can do obviously you have to go out after a practice but I say listen focus on the head if some big guy comes up and you're doing body shots probably not going to stop them right because we've all been punched in the stomach not that it feels good but probably not going to bring them down so focus everything on the head and do not do one punch like it's some boxing match or whatever you're gonna step back and look at the guy and see how he's doing and i would say you don't fire just

one round during a home invasion you fire multiple rounds so fire multiple shots in the face over and over and over again and obviously there's a lot more in depth that i tell them but you know you know it's like i tell people like you don't have to remember your 37 super ninja karate moves. There's basically three things you got to know kind of moves, and that solves the problem. And my students who have had to use it have been fortunate to escape to safety. Understood. Yeah. I trained Muay Thai for a while, and I think that that's one of the best options for what you're talking about, in close, doing damage, doing damage to the head with elbows and punches and things like that, knees. Yeah, I love Muay Thai.

Martial arts, I say, are great if you want to train them, if you want to invest the time, which, again, is fantastic. But I get these guys who come to me and be like, no, I'm not spending any time on any martial art. I've got no time for anything. I'm running a big company. I'm the CEO of XYZ. So then I have to give them the bare bones of what will keep them safe. And how do you ever get results on that? Do you ever get them saying like, yeah, I practiced those moves and something happened and they worked?

Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah, I had a lady do two men try to kidnap at a gas station in Florida, and she was able to escape. I've had people overseas that either were attacked or tried to mug. And it's funny, I often get backhanded compliments, and they'll say to me like, Jason, oh my gosh, I didn't believe it, but it actually worked. I tell them, of course it worked.

That's why I showed it to you. So I get a lot of those, as I say, backhanded compliments and, you know, I've trained thousands of people over the years. If I had to guess maybe 75 out of thousands have had to use this in one, one way or another, but Hey, it worked for them. It kept them safe. Yeah. Well, Hey, there's peace of mind to self-defense too, in a big way. Yes. I mean, you have experienced, I'm sure, a wide range of, I'm going to use this broad term and say bad guys. Okay. You've experienced, I'm sure, high level to sort of street level thug bad guys that you've had to interact with because of your career. I'm guessing. If I'm wrong, just tell me. What do you think is the general sort of conditioning, fighting spirit?

Like, what does the average thug sort of bring to the table? Do you feel like somebody gets in there, gets a few good shots, and that person's going to abort? Or do you think that the average thug is bringing in some skill set or some sort of, you know, what does that look like? So here's what it looks like.

They are used to intimidating people. They are used to people not fighting back. So it's not their first rodeo. They've done it before. They're hardened. And they know that 99% of the time, whatever I do, that guy's going to obey. He's going to comply. He's going to get on his knees and beg for his life.

He's going to do whatever I tell him. So that's the good news for you and I. They're not expecting you to fight back. They're not expecting you to be aggressive and immediately crash into them and start pummeling in the face or pummeling in the throat somewhere on the neck up. And so that's a huge advantage. These guys, even though they're scumbag criminals, they don't want to end up in the hospital. They don't want to get hurt. They don't want to end up back in prison. So if you're fighting back, they're going to go find an easier victim. They're going to go say, okay, they're going to go say okay crap i picked the wrong guy i'm out of here and that's why i always tell people is you've got to

fight back you've got to be crazy all of us have an inner psychopath all of us can go absolutely berserk and that's what you need to find when somebody's threatening your life and no doubt and how about deterring from just a uh i'm sure this is trained by the CIA, and you probably do it in your self-defense training too, but it's something that I've experienced and used in my life. And it's from just a physical representation, like your physical look and demeanor as a deterrent to bad guys. look and demeanor as a deterrent to bad guys. Yeah, I always tell my kids, move with a purpose. So look confident, look like you're going somewhere. I mean, the worst thing you can do if some criminal sizing you up and casing you, and what I mean by he's casing you, he's sizing you up saying, hey, should I rob that guy or that gal or should I move on to somebody else, is to look timid, put your head down with with them as soon as you see them looking at you look like you're shy and all that I mean make eye

contact not that you have to scream and puff out your chest but let them know hey I see you you see me buddy and have your shoulders up and and as I said move with a purpose walk with confidence there was that famous study done in the 70s or 80s by some New York psychology or sociology professor where they videotape people for three days on a street. And then they went to prison and they showed the video and said, who would you rob? Who would you attack? Oh, wow. And it was – yeah, it was almost unanimous, almost 100 percent where they – all these criminals picked out the same people. And it had nothing to do – if it was a man or a woman,

had nothing to do with the guy was fat or skinny or short or tall. It was who was walking with confidence with a purpose versus who looked like they were just going to fold and be the world's easiest victim. Yeah, that's something. That's something a lot of people, when they get on the subject of self-defense, they jump right over that level, which I think might be the—even this day and age with crazy mob, flash mob attacks and stuff, I think that's a huge part of self-defense that people don't focus enough time on, is what are you doing long before contact, you know what I mean? Because most people have their face buried in their phone when they're walking down the street, and I can't think of a better target than that.

Well, I 100% agree with you. I mean, many years ago, I was almost kidnapped somewhere, someplace, and I had my head up. I use a flip phone, so I don't – I'm not walking around texting. I've never sent a text message in my life. Wow. Yeah, never. They give medals out for that in the cia they should and so so i'm walking down the street and i noticed these two guys let's say they were about 50 yards ahead of me uh they didn't blend in with the environment you know they didn't match culturally and all that and when we got closer they looked at each other they looked at me

and they spread apart as if they were going to try and force me to walk between them. So it was very obvious they weren't there to be my friend. So as soon as I saw that, I just turned around, took off running. These guys took off running after me. And when two people are trying to kidnap me, I become very, very fast. And I was able to outrun them. I had a hunker down place, so I hunkered down for a while. And oh, as well, they didn't get me. But had I had my headunker down play, so I hunkered down for a while. And always well, it didn't get me. But had I had my head buried in the phone, I would have walked right into these two guys. And then I would have had to fight my way out, which is obviously the last resort. That's another incredibly important point, too, Jason.

I'm so glad you brought that up. In this age of concealed carry and people training MMA, that MMA training is very accessible. Jiu-Jitsu is very popular. It's so important to hear a guy with your experience say, when the two guys were trying to surround me, my first step was run away. You know, because it's just not something that people think about nowadays. You know, they think, like, I'm going to John wicket.

That's what I'm going to do. And, and running is just the key, you know? And I tell people like, I'll be, I do a lot of training. I teach a lot of seminars and I've told that story. And I want to tell you another story here in a second, but I've told that story. I don't have some young guy in his early twenties, basically like, Hey, Jason, I thought you were a tough guy. I thought you were, you know, had CIA training. You ran like a wimp. And I'll look and I'll say, it's clear to me

you've never been in that position. It's clear to me you've never been in a precarious situation in your life. Because those of us who have know it's always better to escape. And the story I was going to tell is one of my good friends, very well trained too, I would never want to mess with him. And the story I was going to tell is one of my good friends, very well trained, too. I would never want to mess with him. He was somewhere overseas running an op. And he was in a very shady place trying to recruit some shady characters, which is what you got to do. But he was leaving his meeting and three guys started following him.

And he said he was in a really bad place. These three guys started speeding up, getting closer and closer to him. And there happened to be a river to his left. And it was dark out. It was very late at night. He dove in the closer to closer to him. And there happened to be a river to his left. And it was dark out. It was very late at night. He dove in the river to avoid these guys. These guys ran up, started screaming at him, trying to see where he was in the river. And he just kind of hid in that river for a little while

until these three guys went. Now, he could have certainly fought him. He was very well trained. But why take the chance that these guys get lucky and you end up dead? There's always that chance, you know, no matter who you go to bat with, right? There's always that chance that something gets through no matter how well trained you are. And then what?

What's the problem? I mean, one of my first job out of college was as a police officer before I joined the CIA. And it was right over the bridge from Washington, D.C. It was a safe area, so it wasn't bad like D.C. But they told us in the police academy something like it had been 20 years since an officer had died. And they said what happened is this guy was chasing a suspect. The suspect had a gun, pulled his gun, pointed it behind his head. So he's running forward and he points the gun over his shoulder. So we can't see what he's doing, but just fires off a few rounds. And it ended up hitting this police officer in the head and killing him. So it was the world's unluckiest million dollar shot. And that's what I tell people. What if the criminals have that million dollar shot on you?

Yeah, and you could have run from it. You could have been so far away from it that it would never even been an issue. Yeah, it's funny because only people who know what they're talking about say run. I've heard run from you now, former CIA. One of the biggest voices I've ever heard say run in a situation like that was the former Navy SEAL Jocko Willink on his podcast. And the first person I ever heard run from was a 20-year military veteran who's a host on the network now, a guy named Dave Jones. And he was talking about people coming to his house in an SHF scenario. And he was the first person in the prepping community that I ever heard say, yeah, if a bunch of people come to my house with ill intent, me and my family are going to leave and go a mile, two miles into the woods and wait it out. And he was one of the first guys also that presented probably one of the most important aspects

for people trying to survive, you know, civil unrest, which is, you know, your family is not a fighting force. And the way he presented it, which you'll appreciate, I'm sure, Jason, is he said, in the Army, we have what's called acceptable casualties. And there was a group of people in the class he was training. He said, I want you to look at the members of your group and tell me who is an exceptional casualty in that group. And that was like, Whoa, this is making too much sense. You know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah. I a hundred percent agree. Yes. So it's a, it's always interesting to get your guys take on the self-defense of things

because there's a lot of voices in that space anymore. And the UFC is so popular that i think people watch that with the referee and go like oh i could figure out how to do that in the streets without a referee and you know all that kind of stuff um but yeah i had another self defense one for you now i can't remember what it was i got wrapped in the uh i mean i can i can jump in a lot of these young guys you know you're talking about it was i got wrapped in the uh i mean i can i can jump in a lot of these young guys you know you're talking about is i've been punched in the face it hurts like crap your jaw is going to be sore for a long time so when these guys are like hey why did you run

away you're a wimp i say when's the last time you were punching the face and i'm not talking about you're wearing boxing gloves i'm not talking about training i'm talking about someone bare knuckle punched you hard in the jaw when did that happen and they're like um well i said guess what that's happened to me and it hurts like crap and your jaw is going to be sore for weeks and you're going to want to avoid that so that's why you run guys you know among the many reasons and and most people are just you know they're they're living in their parents basement they're trying to talk a big talk and they've never been been there done that so it's obviously easy to easy to make up some nonsense like, yeah, I'm going to stand and fight the 17 guys, and I would never run. Got my Glock.

I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I got 17 rounds and 17 guys. There you go. Headshot on all of them and walk away with an explosion at my back. them and walk away with an explosion at my back. So that's what the question was that came to mind when you started talking about mom's basement was the home defense sort of aspect. There's a lot of theories on home defense. And, you know, do you go down the steps and deal with the threat? Do you,

you know, call the police, hold up in a safe room? Someone breaks into your house, not that you can divulge everything from an operational security standpoint, but what do you think the average person should do in something like a home invasion? So the average person, if you've got all the bedrooms up top, I would go to the choke point, which the choke point is just the stairwell leading there to downstairs and just sit at the choke point with your gun. Have your spouse call 911 and make sure anybody that breaks into your house knows you have a gun.

If they're stupid enough to start running up the stairs to your family, obviously use it. So that is ideal, and that's how it used to be in my old house. But where I now live is I've got six kids and some kids are in the basement. Some kids are up top. So I can't just sit there at the top of the stairs of the choke point. Obviously, if somebody breaks in the basement, they could get to my kids while I'm hanging out up top. So so my plan now is if my alarm goes off, I've got to grab my gun and I've got to go find them before they find one of my six kids. So it's not ideal, but I know my house better than anybody else and I can move fast. I've obviously trained. So yeah, I'm not, you know, I've got, of course, cameras around my house. I've got alarm system. I've got alarm

signs. I've got other security measures. My house is the last place you want to break into. But if you do, you know, I'm going to come find you quickly. Imagine breaking into the former CIA guy's house just on a whim. It would be a poor life decision. You got it really wrong, and you were like, I think that guy's got some cool stuff. Let's go check his house out. You're on candid camera.

Yeah, that's another one of those things that i think uh is important for people to consider what what is their plan and and what should it look like and you know don't again that's that's one of those lucky shot scenarios too right where you could head down there untrained and wind up getting killed in your living room by a bullet that just was shot off out of fear. Someone trying to get out of your house without getting shot themselves. Yeah, I mean, if you don't have kids and you're just two people, lock yourself in the master bedroom. Hide in the bathroom with a gun. I mean, obviously, you've got to have some type of weapon in case they kick it.

But there's no need to go out there. I mean, why, like you said, why take the chance of that crackhead criminal who's probably broken into multiple homes having a knife or a gun? But if you've got kids spread around and you're forced to go out like I am, you better practice clearing your home. Do it with a safe and empty weapon first, obviously, so you know. But, yeah, practice moving through there and practice making sure how you're going to hold your gun, meaning at a 45-degree angle because you don't want to pop off around when your kid turns the corner and scares you type of thing. So make sure all these things. Another thing I tell people to do is I've been in situations where I've had to draw my gun. Thankfully, I've never ever had to use it. But until you've been in those situations, you have no idea what tunnel vision means and you

will get tunnel vision. So I say, go take a paper towel, go take a toilet paper roll and put it up to your eye. That's what it's going to look like when you're clearing your home. So practice clearing your home to do that just so you can see what it looks like. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I know people that do it. I do it myself, but under pressure is a whole different game, right? It is. Yes. Everything changes. So Jason, what do you think, you know, since we're on the Prepper Broadcasting Network here, from your standpoint, you clearly have a lot of prepper tendencies. If you've got two years' worth of food stored, you're ready for the uncertain things, right? What are some things, if there are any, on the top of the list that you think preppers get wrong in their sort of journey towards self-reliance and independence and preparing for the worst case scenarios?

Well, I'd say one thing is not having redundancy. So I love gear as much as anybody. I'm an absolute gear junkie. But I'll see guys who are like, all right, I've got one flashlight, one of these knives, one of the X, one of what, you know, I have one generator. If your means allow you to, if you can afford it, have redundancy to redundancy. I mean, I can't tell you how important that was to the agency. You have backups to the backups to the backups.

Same thing is, you know, bug out locations or meeting locations during a crisis. You don't just have one meeting location. You have three meeting locations in the first one in case the first one you can't reach. So I would say redundancy is a big mistake. And then I would say, of course, which is most people know is not actually knowing how to use your gear, not taking it out, not testing it, not playing with it. You know, I've got two years worth of survival food, but I eat it. I use it. I'm lazy sometimes. So I just want to use it for a meal type of thing. Or maybe I'm one of my bug out locations and I'll cook it so not knowing how to use your propane stove not knowing how to use that abracadabra flashlight that's a 20 in one flashlight or whatever you bought type of thing so pay pay attention to

your gear and take it out set it up i realize it's a pain in the butt to do that um but you know like every the second saturday of every month i run all my generators i test them you know my honda gas generator i let run for 30 minutes to make sure it's working type of thing so just have little checklists like that where once a month i'm gonna test my flashlights or once a month i'm gonna take out xyz just so you're staying on top of this stuff. I love that. I love the bi-weekly generator. I've heard so many stories. Even hosts have had those situations where, like, yeah, I have a generator.

Yeah, there was a storm. Yeah, we lost power. Nope, the generator wouldn't start, you know, for whatever reason. You know, it's happened to several of our hosts and that's, uh, and, and many listeners. So that's a big one. That's a big one staying on top of those things. I usually do a seasonal, uh, generator fire up. I can't say that I do it bi-weekly, but I do a seasonal generator fire up for sure. And of course, you know, oil, air filter, gas. A lot of times I'm siphoning gas out of that thing because nothing's happened.

That's an aspect of prepping that people don't talk about a lot too, right? Sometimes you put a lot of preparations in place that you have to take out because, you know, didn't happen. Bug out bags, you got to didn't happen. Bug out bags, you got to pull food out that's gone bad, whatever the situation is. Sometimes we get lucky and nothing happens. Yeah, hopefully. I mean, what I tell people when I'm training them is, remember, it's going to be a personal crisis. Most likely, we're going to need your food. I mean, I've got friends and relatives who have lost jobs, had divorces, medical conditions or whatever, and they've had to live off their survival food. And so it wasn't some end of the world crazy scenario. But hey, you know, my cousin of mine, his business went under,

he lost everything and they were living off their survival food. So that's why we need all this stuff. I mean, it's same thing as a grid down scenario, I believe is a major, major threat. But most people are going to use their generators when they have a storm in Utah where I live or Texas had all those storms last year, I think, you know, and then people need a generator. So it's mostly going to be in your local area where you're using this type of stuff. So over at – you guys are doing a brief now, sort of like a daily wrap-up of events, that type of thing? Yeah, we have two. We have a daily brief, and then we also have a monthly physical newsletter. So good old hold-in-your-hand newsletter where we're wrapping up the latest threats, and here's what to prepare for. Yep.

Comes in the mail? Yeah, comes in the mail. Yes, a good old-fashioned newsletter as we send out every month check that out that's a great idea yeah i like that a lot Did you mute yourself, Jason? I think I lost you. No, no. I thought you were doing something. I heard lights. Sorry about that. My fault.

I ended on a kind of note where I thought you were going to go forward with it. Yeah, I love the idea of a paper document for people to read over. The other great thing about it, I'll tell you what's really beneficial about a hard copy paper brief. I guess back in the day, you wouldn't have to worry about this kind of thing. But what happens is I don't subscribe to any of these online briefings. And the reason I don't, not because I don't value the content I do, people just share them. You know what I mean? Like they sign up, they pay the money, and then you wind up getting hit with stuff all day long from people. Oh, look what just came through and look at that. And I know

you're probably not supposed to do that, but that's the reality of it. So the idea that you send something physical out, yeah, the days of the chain letter are over so that thing's probably pretty safe yeah i'm old-fashioned i mean i i love the physical stuff i mean i still subscribe to pretty much every gun and knife magazine on the planet so i'm getting numerous gun and knife magazines every month and just seeing what's new there uh so yeah you know like i said i i enjoy that type of stuff yeah it's it's good. The briefs are good, man. I mean, I've never read yours particularly, but I think they serve a purpose. I think they can drive people a little crazy too. I think that's important for people to regulate,

you know what I mean? How much of that they're taking in. If you're reading three different briefings a day, listening audience, you probably could pare back. You probably could pare back. Well, I mean, I think it's just you got to apply whatever makes sense for your own individual situation. So, you know, the reason we do it is I say, listen, this is what I do for a living. This is what I love. It saves you hours and hours and hours because I'm doing this. I mean, I work 12 hours a day, whether it's training, whether it's consulting, whatever it might be. So you don't have to spend 12 hours a day figuring out what is going on in the world, the latest threats.

I'm talking to my CIA buddies and all that. So you're saving a ton of time by me doing everything for you. Yeah, sure. It makes perfect sense. So what would you recommend over at spybriefinggear.com for the listeners? Are there any things that you favored over there that you really like, that you recommend, trainings, that type of stuff?

Yeah. I mean, there's our Alone and Unafraid book. It is a 420-page survival Bible, if you will. And I mean, everybody loves Alone and Unafraid, so I would check that out. That's a book that's at the top of many people's lists. And then we've got our ultralight tomahawk. I'm a huge fan of tomahawks.

I have them in every bug-out bag I own. I've used them mostly for chopping stuff or getting out of a car accident in the winter kind of thing. So not off anybody's head, fortunately. But I think you've got to know some type of tomahawk in your gear just a very versatile weapon um and then just you know look at the rest of the stuff what is applicable to your situation you know what do you need to shore up do you need a no info about a bug out location do you need more home defense training and and figure out where your gaps are because everybody's got gaps somewhere yeah i like your like your take, Jason, on the whole you got a problem, fix it mentality.

You know, it can be lost on preppers. Yeah, I mean, that's what it is. I'm always looking. I was trying to think what my gaps are because I just said, hey, everybody's got gaps. So what are my gaps? And I don't know what that is. I mean, I got home defense. I got my food storage. I'm situationally, I'm sure there's a gap. Nobody's perfect. I know I'm not perfect, but I'm not exactly sure what my own gaps are these days.

Sure. Yeah. I'd have to do a whole nother show to discuss my gaps. But well, what else, man, anything else before we call it? I mean, I usually like to keep these around an hour and I think you have divulged some, some really great stuff to the listening audience. You know, I would just say is, you know, when I first joined the agency, I mentioned I was 23 and fake news wasn't a, wasn't a popular thing then. But I remember I'd be at the agency and I'd see something on the news and then I know what's really going on. And I was like, holy crap, the American public has no idea what's going on. I can't believe the media is saying this when

this is what's really happening. And obviously these days we know about the media. So what I would say is whatever you're reading, try and verify it elsewhere and try and see what the agenda is. So, for instance, let's say we're recruiting a source in Russia to spy for the United States, right? That source gives us amazing info. Well, we don't just take that source's info. We try and – what am I trying to say? Corroborate. You know what I'm trying to say.

Corroborate it. There, the word I couldn't get out. We need to see if this guy's legit. Even though we think it's amazing, we're going to other sources to say, okay, did this guy say really adds up to see if he's honest? So check multiple places, question everything, see what the agenda is, and do your own homework. Because a lot of people these days are zombies. They just go through life. They don't really put in any effort. They're not working hard, this and that.

But actually see, okay, what is this guy's agenda? Like if Jason Hansen tells you stuff, what is his agenda? Well, I want to keep you safe. And yes, I have stuff to sell, but you know, I don't have an agenda where I'm not some government employee trying to brainwash you or whatever. So wherever you're getting your news, try and figure out the agenda and try and corroborate it and say, okay, are other sources saying this, too? Or is this guy just nutso trying to, you know, trying to get me to do something that is not legit, that is not honest? Excellent. Yeah. I mean, we are basically forced to do the job. And what you described is very similar to the job of what a proper journalist would be doing anyway before bringing news to the forefront, right? Right, which, of course, is not happening much these days, unfortunately.

Yeah. Well, Jason, awesome. Absolutely awesome. We'd love to have you back if you feel so compelled. held. I'm sure there's a million stories you could tell us with fake names and fake locations that would just thrill the audience and could be directly, you know, tied to the events that we're going through in this nation today. I appreciate you coming on. Hey, thank you for having me. I'd be happy to come back. Excellent. All right. Jason Hansen, PBN Family. Thank you.