The Prepper Broadcasting Network - Recap of Ration or Ruin Week 4 w/ FD, IC, NBC Guy & Bankster Breaker

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

week four is coming to a close. We survived four full weeks. Ben, the breaker of banksters here with Intrepid Commander and Future Dan. We have Dave Jones, NBC guy, but it seems some storms are coming in, ruining some reception. So Dave Jones will be communicating through some back channel

chat. I'll be kind of acting as his voice, some questions going back and forth. Cause of course week four was the Jones homestead food, kind of the, uh, freeze dried packaged food. So we'll get into that, but let me bring on future Dan and James. Let's start with future Dan. It was go ahead. It's been four full weeks. Can you believe it? Yeah, I've lost 16 pounds, Ben, and I've learned an awful lot. So I think we're calling it index. The exercise has ended. and from my perspective it was a success. I thought it was a big-time success for a lot of reasons. We're gonna get into that. Today

we're gonna focus mostly on week four. So the Jones Homestead Food. We are gonna have a full recap of the entire exercise in about a week. TBD but soon we're gonna strike while the iron is hot. So James and Trappard Commander, glad you could the order, because you guys have done it again. I mean, this is four successive years of these challenges that no matter what kind of TV shows are out, no matter what kind of YouTube videos are out there, these things that you guys put together are like the, they're the ultimate balance of, of, you know, entertaining, but also really damn hard at times, you know, entertaining but also really damn hard at times, you know. And this one, I didn't do the, you guys looked like hell those first two, so I can't make a judgment call on it, but this one was way harder than the one I

participated in with you last year, I'll tell you that much. But it was huge. It was absolutely huge. I didn't get a final weight yet. I know I was, I was really surprised to have lost six or seven pounds or whatever it was those first two weeks. I Don't know why I was surprised, but I was surprised So we'll see I I'll probably get to the gym this weekend and hop on the scale and let everybody know What's what what has come away from it? I'll announce it tonight I I told the members on the members only podcast on Thursday, but I think that we're gonna do a quarterly 72 hour fast network wide going forward.

Just going forward, we'll schedule it, it'll be quarterly, anybody who wants to participate can participate, but I think the biggest takeaway for me on this whole thing was just the sheer benefits. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but it just felt like cleaner to me. And also now it feels like less calories. Like I'm in the midst of trying to figure out if I need to eat as much as I used to eat I don't know if either of you are thinking that but you know what I mean? It just feels better. It feels right

Yeah, I agree with that. I absolutely agree with the question of whether I need to eat as much and I Got to admit this is week four. I'm feeling fatigue especially mental fatigue Especially being able to cope with things that are business and future danger the website and other activities. It's harder So I'm not sure I'm gonna be running on six thousand calories plus you know take that up to about nine thousand when you add them the you know take that up to about nine thousand when you add the

Protein shakes. I gotta bring it up. I gotta I gotta come up, but i'm not gonna go back to where I was at Yeah, I agree it definitely seems like there's there's a middle ground There's definitely a middle ground. I don't know. You know what else too was huge about rationing a ruin from a dietary standpoint was It's shown and it probably did this for you guys too. It's shown a light on all the eating that I do On a regular basis that I don't even count as eating I don't know if you had this moment where you would out of habit reach for something on a counter reach for something in a pantry and be like No, no, no. It's not eat day and that's not something we can eat anyway.

I don't know if you guys had those moments, but I had them a lot. I wasn't even hungry. My brain was just like, dude, it's like one o'clock in the afternoon. You should probably go grab a snack. Hyper focusing on it after a while really opened my eyes to like, you do just hyper focusing on I'm going to be eating walnuts, you don't really expect that. So I haven't had any of that recently and I had some weight loss too possibly just from that but throwing it all together I agree with you guys all around. Yeah I definitely realized that like getting I'd say like up to probably the beginning of this challenge up to the beginning of this challenge I had this thing in my head that was like,

you know, you're almost 40 years old. You're probably looking as good as you're gonna look and you know, it is what it is. Who cares? You know, I don't necessarily work out to look really good. It's all about fitness and all that but I don't mind it. But what I noticed after after two three weeks of really cutting back calories was dang it could look a lot better if I just focus a little more and you know maybe a few less fruity pebble bowls at night before bed. And I think the quarterly fast is a great idea. I'm gonna participate in that. The 72 hour fast once a quarter is about right in what I've done the last year. And also I think, uh, at least one day a week going forward, I'm not going to eat

anything. So that'll be like a 24 to 30 hour fast once a week. Otherwise though, I'm going to go back to my normal calories, normal food, but try to be more focused on a little more focused on portion control and what calories are in there. I'm gonna go back to my normal we had a beef stew, we had a beef stew, we had eggs, right? But they didn't come with the normal nutrition label you see. So it took some effort and

guesstimation to understand, okay, what might be in this? What is rationing of this? Because part of ration ruin is, hey, if stuff hits the fan, we don't want to eat too much of our Rations or stash we what we're trying to prolong that so I'm gonna go to future Dan You kind of I mean you came up with the name rational ruin and a lot of the ideas behind it Could you take us through?

the difference of the homestead food compared to the other three we had and maybe just a little bit of background of the exercise as a whole? Yeah, to recap the exercise, the idea, it's sort of an extreme situation, right? Where you've come to a point in a You know where there's a restriction on the food, right? You know, you don't have sources of food that you normally do And it's getting it's gotten extreme. So you need to ration Right and one way to do that is alternative day fasting which we we practice in the main the other Choice would be just to eat smaller amounts every day and we didn't test that we did it a different method

but point being is putting ourselves into you know for one month what would happen if you had to eat emergency food and This is the fourth product review. Although it's quite a different type of product review. It's it is Although it's quite a different type of product review. It's it is We're going to take a look at it side by side with week one ready hour week two mountain house Last week week three the xmre product now. We're doing what i'm calling the jone stead Or for an abbreviated term jone stead emergency food And it scores completely differently opposite opposite in most cases than the the manufacturer brands, I think then.

It really is a little bit of a mirror. So while you run us through if you want, and we can talk about your scores and James, I want to hear your kind of comment on the attribute and I'll throw mine in too and Dave Jones is also standing by if we have questions for him let me know or kind of you know ask the question and I'll put it in chat future day longevity you gave it a 2 out of ten. Yeah and that's mostly because I'm I'm not sure what the longevity is

Anybody got any ideas? I know that Dave said actually on a daily auto cash like this week that they are packaging go forward using mylar. I believe in a little bit more long term packaging which goes with your packaging score of a five a little bit later on and the longevity though. That's a great question. Dave, if you can hear us. How long would you trust those freeze-dried eggs and the stew and the soup? Are you thinking a year, five years? What's your thoughts there? He says five to 10 years. I do

know he stores this in really nice dark cool conditions. So that probably has a as big or bigger effect on this and even the other uh three options we had during ration ruin Intrepid commander. Any thoughts on the longevity? I

know you've done a lot of content about homestead food and I don't know about freeze drying per se but the longevity five to ten years seems pretty long. That seems legit to me. It sounds good to me. It's not just the fact that it's freeze dry but it's freeze dried and vacuum sealed so I think all you'd be really worrying about is protecting the packaging. Like if you could protect the packaging I don't even know that to be honest because it's vacuum sealed I don't even know that an oxygen absorber in there would make that big a difference yeah I don't think you're getting I don't think you're getting all the oxygen out and

those are raw eggs maybe maybe frozen for ten years but shelf stable raw eggs. Maybe frozen for 10 years, but shelf stable raw eggs for 10 years? Personally, I would hold on to that stuff as long as it was on the shelf and the package was all right, and then I would check it out as I prepared it. Because if something went wrong with the eggs, you would know. There would be, you know what I mean? And the thing about it is there's no moisture. And the whole thing with things going bad is, you know, one of the biggest things anyway is moisture.

So yeah, the freeze drying product. But hey, I guess the important thing is there's no guarantee. Whereas we have something of a guarantee from the other brands. I don't know. You know, I can tell you personally, this coming from the guy who ate a raccoon over the last month, I'd eat it. Nice. Well, as we know, there's a push poll with all of these attributes. You can't score a 10 all the way across. Literally, even NASA spending millions of dollars on their space food can't hit a 10 all the way across.

So additives, future Dan, you gave it a 10 out of 10, meaning no additives, meaning a 10 is really good because there's no negative nitrates and other crap in there. So that's huge. So even if it's only, let's take the low end of like five years with no additives and other scores here that are pretty darn high. We'll get into those. That's nice not not have those additives for sure. Uh Intrepid Commander, you ever on your storable food, you add, you know, additives and Dave, if you could hear us, you know, did was any extra additives added to the salt or uh was any extra salt or additives and Dave if you can hear us, was any extra additives added to the salt

or was any extra salt or additives added to the stew? It tasted great. I'm guessing no. I'm guessing no because I added salt. I needed a little bit of salt for flavor. Okay. Alright. So I've been complaining this whole exercise about taking in all these toxic chemicals. I'm not going to do that. Okay. Alright. So, I've been complaining this whole exercise about taking in all these toxic chemicals. No, toxic chemicals coming out of

the Jones that I loved it. Uh the traffic commander, nutrition, and taste nine and a nine from future Dan. I give the nutrition and the taste a nine or a ten as well. I mean, it's oh yeah, you better than that. I'm right with that. What do you think? I'm right there with that. I loved

it after after the weeks of limited eating period and eating like I'll tell you what though the XMREs they weren't bad but coming off of all that stuff and then having that Maria stew the like a five or six of variety. I believe we scored it. Future Dan, you want to go into the variety? And Dave, what else?

Can you guys make a lot of other options? I know you guys tried some chicken and rabbit and rice, though. So Future Dan, on the variety, what do you think? Yeah, I give it a two, but it deserved a three because there is only three different types of food. that's the hard part I think when it comes to freeze drying homemade food it's going to be a challenge to get a broad variety compared to store-bought. Yep, yep and I think they're going to be

experimenting and expanding. I think that rabbit advice in of itself would knock this variety up to a five or six but you're right. You're right. There's only so many things you can have. Uh I'm going back to those MRE mini cookies. That was one

of the best things I had all week and it's just like little snacks like that. Yeah. Keep some little chocolates or snacks as part of your prepper pantry just for morale purposes. What do you think, James? Oh man, I'm still, like I said, supplements, protein. Those are my, those are my sort of, and I mean shelf stable protein. Those are my sort of focal point probably going through the rest of this year. If I had one nutritional prep that the commander will be focused on is that supplements for everyone for probably six months and then shelf stable protein because one thing that happened, what was it? I don't

know. Monday, Tuesday is we got raided. We got raided by a fox and he ate all the quail and a bunch of chickens. And that's it. I mean, like in the real ration of ruin scenario, you know, where you're not going to run to southern states and grab some chickens, you're not going to leave your house because it's dangerous to leave your house. If that happens, which it happens to everybody, if that happens, then all this and that your premier protein source, now you're screwed. You know what I mean? So I'm definitely I like the protein powder idea, but I think I'm also going to look at the some more of the canned.

I forget what the brand there there's a brand called Cave Food, Cave Food is it called? Caveman? I don't know. There's two brands out there. One of them's Keystone and they do these really, I mean, better than supermarket canned meats and it's just straight up meat in a can. And I think I'd like to have

a lot of that as a backup. You know, no, not don't have to worry about freezer. Don't have to worry about power. Don't have to worry about anything. We know we got protein. We know we got powdered protein and then, you know, if a black bear wanders into the yard and eats everything that's walking around, we still got protein you know or nuclear fallout blows over you might not want yeah well yeah all of that any of that stuff right the outside can become compromised so the inside is important yes yes NBC guy says almost anything they can freeze dry essentially they're just getting started we were doing rabbit and eggs lots of it. I know that it's better

to run that freeze dryer in the cold so maybe after your huge harvest I'm sure you're gonna have knock on wood this fall. You'll be probably trying a lot of things preserving a lot of that. Yeah I think in my opinion the number one reason the nutrition was out of this world was because the protein per, let's just say, protein per 100 calories is twice as much in the Jones Homestead food. Oh yeah.

And it was all whole food protein, not soy protein or some wheat protein that doesn't really count compared to like actual chicken from Homestead, actual egg protein. So like way more protein per calorie and that protein quality is much much higher. So that in itself is awesome. But it had like mushrooms and herbs and spices. Like it was awesome. The it was awesome. I've got a confession to make about the vegetarian taco. I never I never ate it. It was a sound great. I believe it. It wasn't good. I looked at it. I heard remarks in the back channel. It was Friday. I was going to eat it after our show. We didn't do the show. And then the night went on and I was like, I think I'm just going to have

some eggs and call it. And I still have it. So I mean, and that's important to the listeners because that means like, you know, there is a chance. And I think another thing that we couldn't have pulled off, even if we had to, is we chose to do this challenge and we chose to suffer through some of these foods. And it's important to remember that your kids, your spouse, they might say, I'll pass. I'll pass on eating this tonight. I don't want it. I don't care how hungry I am.

You know, like the cheesy broccoli soup might be one of those things. Important to consider Ben up I'm I'm not a chemist or you know prepared food, you know expert but It seems the amount of protein you get in Joan stead as a product is Is directly, you know relates to the longevity I think those other brands to get to the 30-year mark they just you know you know MRE you know those are liquid

yeah yeah they're not gonna let those were like those were like five to ten year rated as well I think like ten year five. Those were like five to 10 year rated as well. I think like 10 year. So they weren't 30 the mountain house and the ready hour were 25 or 30. So those definitely were but great point great point and same with

healthy fats healthy fats go rancid no matter what at some point so. Yeah, the longevity on fat is always one that's overlooked. You know what I mean? Like a long-term fat plan. I think that's one of the things I love so much about pig lard. You know what I mean? Because it is a renewable kind of an insanely delicious fat source.

Because once you're not going to to do. Sure. If stuff is going sideways, there ain't gonna be that many running around at all cuz everyone's gonna turn into a hunter overnight or at least try one thing here. You know, it's probably worth mentioning to the audience about overall

we all did pretty poorly on any kind of protein procurement in the wild. We did not do well. And I think that people should wrap their head around that because I'm telling you guys like, now I did do some stupid stuff that my kids will never let me live down, but that I'm not even talking about the raccoon. I'm talking about throwing fish back in. Like one night I was out, my son caught a nice bass, but I couldn't eat it. It was too big.

I said, put it back. He's gonna make big babies. And my little son, he just laughs at me every time we talk about it now. But all that said, I thought that I was gonna mop up. I really did. And one of the things that really got me was it rained like crazy and it was windy as hell.

And I got into the I also got into this mode in fishing where it's almost like I'm out there fishing I'm relaxed I'm having a good time I'm here to fish you know this is my hobby yada yada yada that James is just way better at fishing than one of the things I would do is I would I would catch like a bluegill and I'd catch another bluegill and I'd be like, oh shit, the bluegill are here So then I'd stop using the bait I was using I'd put on a bobber and a float or a float and a hook with a worm and I'd be like

Alright, I'm gonna pull these things in one after another and then I wouldn't catch anymore So I think I think changing things up hurt me a lot I thought the weather is something that we'll never know so we got to keep that in mind, right? You think you're gonna jump out into a spring and the springs gonna be the way that it is and this this also Has to do with your garden too, right? You think you're gonna have a garden because it's you know, it's June You're always gonna have a garden in June or whatever the situation is and then you have these weather situations Yeah, like I said what I?

Love having the gardens. I love having the ability to do the outdoor stuff But I do think I need to focus a little more on what is and I got a lot of stuff in the house already But protein related that kind of stuff I need to focus on more because it wasn't it wasn't as easy as I thought it was going to be and it really surprised me probably surprised

me more than anything else. I think it comes down to layering your systems all your food you can have a very baseline 25 year a few buckets but you want to have a lot, you I'll eat it every year or two and just kind of, hey, I'll eat it like one of these soups every week or every other week and then I'll buy some new. You know, six months later and just rotate it out. You ought to hitch a ride with them to Costco also.

Well, apparently this might be for sale at Prepper Camp, but you want to put a Prepper Camp plug in real quick, James. 25% off tickets till the end of June. Get on it. Get on it because it's going to be an amazing year, man. We're about to, we're, I have interviews lined up with like, I think 10 speakers. We're doing a whole PrepperCam speaker series. It's going to be diabolical actually, because they're going to be short to the point, 15 minute interviews and you really get to, short to the point 15 minute interviews and you really get to, for the first time I think on PBN you'll get to hear the level of talent that's at Prepper Camp. A lot of times we gush about it, you know what I mean? We're like, oh it's such a fun time, there's all these classes, there's all these experts.

But one of the things that I never really do is get the people on the talk, you know, that do the classes outside of, you know, half the damn hosts that do them. But outside of those folks, a lot of people who listen to us talk about private camp, don't really know those people and they're, I mean, insanely qualified. It it's going to be good. It's going to be awesome year. Awesome. Legit. The cost. Yeah. And you put a question mark. I've not done my cost analysis yet, but I will before we do our full recap in like the next week. But talk about cost or we could have a couple questions for Dave about cost if you want. Yeah, yeah. I mean, let's have a bigger, you know thought experiment about this your homesteading Like with what david and his wife have going on What what's the value of that labor?

and Also, what is you a moment ago ben said that you buy some from them perhaps, you know you work this from the bottom up and build it up like You know their time's worth money the the inputs to that economic production have a cost So how much is? Is product valued at and you know once you can do that you can get down to you know cost per calorie or You can do market value and you are a buyer not the only one potentially but or you can do market value and you are a buyer, not the only one potentially, but so maybe for now, what would you value the same?

Now let's just take for example, the dozen freeze dried raw eggs, what's that worth to you? Oh, I love it. Great question. I'm gonna, this will inspire me to work both top down the the the the

the the amount of eggs mixture was I gotta do my full spreadsheet comparison for all four. That's what I'm gonna do by our next recap, but that mountain house is like 10 bucks minimum. So you could value those dozen eggs upwards of $15, $20 for one of those packs. So at least a $1.50 per egg minimum, and maybe more, hard to know for sure now whether the cost and the time and all that how that

Works out. Um, you got to do it at scale. I know the freeze dryer is not or free Yeah, the the whole machine the whole process Is expensive the bags are not cheap when you're doing the mylar type that he's gonna be going over to not just the um vacuum seal bag, so It's great. I'm looking forward to it. I would pay at least, yeah, let's just, you know, round number $20 for the dozen egg packs seems pretty fair market price. I think. Yeah, so that's why I had the question mark we got we got to figure it out. I don't know if it's cheaper Than the other options. I I'm not I'm not sold on that

Depends on how you value your time, right? What other economic production you could be in instead of that, right? so You mean from like the production side or the purchase side from the production side. I know Dave will attest it There's no way it's cheaper. Oh Final cost right, you know what what everybody does if can I make it or do I have to buy it? And if I where you know, where does that fall? Is it about equal? Is there a discount is there a discount from doing it? It's it's certainly great to have a discount on fresh food But for emergency long-term storage food is there

You know how if there's a benefit how big is that benefit? That's what I want to know That's a good question because you can get right now at number 10 can of freeze-dried cooked eggs for probably 70 bucks And i've got to imagine that's a lot more than 12. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So to your point, what do you, I guess it really does come down to that. What do you value? Do you value the fact that you know these eggs are top quality from the Jones homestead so on and so forth or do you value, I want the most eggs for my money and put them on the shelf for 25 years because they're already in a number 10 can with an oxygen absorber and so on. All makes sense. I think a big portion of the cost will be how often do you use it?

If you're putting out, let's just for round number $10,000 worth of freeze dried food, you'll be more efficient than $1,000 worth because that freeze dryer, I think it's a couple grand or something. So you gotta at least produce 10 times the cost of the freeze dryer to even start to break even on the capital investment, let alone your labor and other startups. So we're looking literally at a capital project that like a 10 year horizon, not cheap, not, but the flexibility that it provides you, you know, personally

might be perfect. And that's what I think the Jones Homestead is perfect for them. Dave said $2500. Yeah. $2500. So even at $2 an egg, right, you'd have to do more than a thousand eggs. You know, probably you'd have to do 10,000 eggs over five years to make it quote unquote profitable. You don't need to make it profitable in that market point of view but maybe it's not worth selling at a prepper camp because it would you wouldn't make any money back even at $20 a pack and maybe people want to pay that much. Hard to know, hard to know. Any other survival takeaways that you are prepping takeaways that you guys kind of address that are outside of the food?

sort of like sort of mine with The fishing side of things like it seemed like a shoe-in, but it wasn't maybe need to work out a better Or an alternate game plan for things like that. Did you guys look at anything in your? Prepping world and say, you know, if, if it came down to a rash and a ruin situation, I'd need a cross. You got a crossbow, right? I, I'd, you know what I mean? Those kind of threats.

That's simpatico. Cause I was literally into my head. I was like crossbow because I saw varmint as well as multiple deer. Just, Oh, I thought you had no womb future. Dan does future. Dan's got the crossbow. the game. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

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game out of season if it was a dire enough circumstance, right? But let's say, let's say you're an excessive rule of law kind of environment and foods limited, but you're not going to go out doing that sort of thing. You know, it's still against the law How do you handle this well, I think the ultimate takeaway for me is don't get to the point where you have to ration But always be prepared that that's an extreme, you know point where if you're not ready to do it you might want to exercise it maybe not for a month, but give it a try. But possibly the biggest takeaway is, you

know, just this driving urge on my part to make a buying decision. I'm shopping right now and, and, and all four products and others are, you know, within the selection range and I'm just, you know, trying to get the right balance of all those factors we talked about, just maximize my investment for the security that I'm looking for. And that whole activity is more urgent than ever. That's my takeaway. Nice. I like it.

I definitely like it. Yeah, they one of the hidden benefits I don't know if that you know I don't want to go on and on and on but this is the final shebang so I want to try to ring it out as best I can. One of the hidden benefits that I experienced with my family invested well it was a benefit and it was a it was a problem also But the benefit side was that I got out a lot more Doing silly stuff like looking for mushrooms and looking for forageable foods with my youngest Then I otherwise would have you know, so like he was invested in let's try and find that something to eat and That got him, you know got us to go look at things

We wouldn't know like if it were a Wednesday evening and he had done school all day and comes home wants to chill out And I'm like, hey, dude, let's go look for mushrooms in the woods Like he'd probably be like I don't think we're gonna do that that you know what I mean So that was one of those added benefits. I thought was the family was more invested in it And even though they didn't participate in it I Think they learned a lot too, you know what I mean because they watched it They watched it and kind of wrapped their head around like, you know

Why we do all this crazy shit? That's awesome Definitely know, why we do all this crazy Yeah, so we're gonna wrap it up with a more economically focused cost-benefit analysis with some numbers perhaps we can see your final charts of your personal journey through rational ruin Ben proverbial happiness chart, but other things like your your hydration and your weight loss So there's a more I guess I guess it's a more quantitative analytical Final program on rational ruin but for the

Week for a wrap-up. I think I'm calling it a success. I'm glad you guys found all those benefits from it I definitely did. Thank you Dave for contributing and I I definitely did. Thank you Dave for contributing and I guess we gotta start looking at what Azure Highland 5 next year might be, but this was a good one, guys. Big time. It definitely was a good one. Good work. Heck yeah. We gotta get together. Hopefully next week. We had to postpone this weekend. Hopefully next week we can get together, But if not, I mean, we got to strike with the irons hot. We got, oh, you know what? There was one other thing. Some other things. Go ahead. Real quick. And I can handle this part. You don't have to bring him on to, uh, to the show or anything on because I know you guys have like your show all organized. We got to get Firewolf on Firewolf did his own thing on this and he

struggled through a lot of this too. He's one of our listeners who's often in chat. He's the guy who does all of our hammer talk membership blacksmithing content and he's got some stories to tell. He didn't do exactly what we did but he did a really cool challenge. So what I'll do is I'll get him on the talk. I love it. He's not here right now, but he's I think he was at every other rational ruin as well as Patriot power hour in the last few months. So yeah, he's shadowed the Firewall for just he would actually come on. We will I'll definitely podcast with him. Yeah. The big highlight for his was they did nothing

that they couldn't make for the month food wise. the big highlight for his was they did nothing that they couldn't make for the month food wise. They didn't go to the grocery store and then they didn't eat anything that couldn't be made. Even that's eye opening. Even yeah,

definitely. I want to hear all about it. Nice. Alright, gentlemen, I think uh and X very successful. So we'll talk to you soon. What do you say? Yeah, good job, Ben. Thanks so much. Thanks for joining, Dave. Have a great weekend. Yeah, you guys too.