The Prepper Broadcasting Network - The Rising Republic: AI Update and Daisy Luther Interview

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

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welcome everybody to the rising Republic it's your boys L Douglas Hogan and Ryan Buehper thanks for joining us today. It's been a crazy two weeks, Ryan. Let me see, we had, what we had, we had Father's Day first, right? We had Father's Day and then I went on vacation. Did you go on vacation and have something going on last week? I did, yeah.

We were out, you know, trying to do some camping and other things and the whole Juneteenth experience to try and take advantage of the day off and try to enjoy that with family and friends. I found that not everybody has Juneteenth off. I work for a municipality and there's no Juneteenth here, but my wife who works for the state has Juneteenth as a holiday.

I'm just unsure like where does, or who decides and how does it work out that this is a holiday and this isn't a holiday? And it's quite confusing to me. It really is. I mean, it's kind of, I always thought it was weird from the very beginning, but I mean, if you do wind up getting the day off,

it's like, huh, we're taking the day off to celebrate, you know, the abolition of slavery and people are still out working basically, you know, but when we're in a day, Labor Day, I mean, those are all very well recognized. And yet, so this one just is kind of off. It's weird. It's like President's Day or something. Yeah, and I don't know, it seems like the abolition of slavery, I, you know, forgive me if I seem off-put here, but it seems like because we have a celebration for virtually every race under the sun in the United States.

We have Black History Month, we have these different kind of months where I thought that was being utilized as kind of a celebration of the fact that we no longer have slavery in the United States, but it turns out just having a month dedicated to one race is not the case. We gotta dedicate an entire month

to the abolition of slavery. God forbid we ever have, you know, like White Caucasian Month. Could you imagine the screams and the outcry? Yeah, and it's just, you know, virtue signaling from the previous administration. I mean, that's all I really want. It is.

I think people see through that. And I don't care what kind of holidays we have. I really don't, but let's be fair about it. We're never going to see White History Month, right? It's never going to happen. And whenever anybody brings up the idea of it, well, then you hear something like, well, every day is White History Month.

What do you mean by that? I mean, Chinese history. I mean, the American or Mexican history, like Mexican-American, Chinese-American, you know. It would be yellow history. As you get, I guarantee you there was Chinese slaves in the United States building the railroads to make it happen. There was white slaves, Ryan, in the United States.

Absolutely. Every, every people under, on this earth, every people under the sun have at one point been slaves. It's just that only one race in the United States has to for some reason get recognition for the fact that they were slaves. And I don't know, I forgot, I don't understand it. It's, yeah, it's absurd.

I, like me, I'm to the point where I just shake my head. Whatever, okay, do what you gotta do to make yourselves be able to sleep at night, yes. Whatever it takes, you know, we've had the whole reparations discussion before in this, on this show, and it's just, I don't know, it's just like, it's clamor to me. It's just noise and clamor, and I get tired of it.

I hate the whole mentality of victimhood, I really do. Shifting notes, we have a great show today. We got Daisy Luther, author of the new book, Widow in the Woods. It's a post-apocalyptic book about an elderly lady who is surviving in a post-apocalyptic world, her home, her mysterious garden. I was turned into this direction of this book

because she is a member of the, not of the DD12 author group that I, where I am, but she is one of the person, one of the 10,000 people who are in this. And LL Akers, the author, and I call her Mama Akers, she's pretty much the one who designed this business model of the DD-12, the Dirty Dozen, one of which, I am the 12, made a post that this lady

who has written several books about surviving and prepping has written her first post-apocalyptic book. It's called The Widow in the Woods. She's going to be on the show today. So we've scheduled her to be on the show and we're going to be interviewing her and we're really excited about that. That being said, after that,

I've got scheduled several more authors down the road. So we're looking at talking to several authors in a new segment that we're going to be calling Dispatches from the Author Underground. And so I'm excited to be introducing that new segment today for the very first time. And I'm gonna try to have that on the show each episode that we have.

And if we don't have for whatever reason, an author scheduled, well, it just won't happen. But me and Ryan are here to keep you entertained just in case. Oh yeah, we're still gonna chat about people. We're still gonna chat about whatever. We're still gonna chat about whatever. And Ryan, there's plenty of things going on in the world right now that we can chat about.

There's no shortage for sure of things for us to talk about. There's so many things. It's hard not to talk constantly about the politics because there's so much politics going on. But really, if we're not being careful, Ryan, we're missing some of the other things that are happening in the world. Because politics, it controls almost everything

that we do in our lives. It's like a compass in a lot of ways. In a lot of ways, because it kind of controls and dictates the things that are infiltrating or allowed to infiltrate or being permitted to infiltrate our lives. And one such thing is artificial intelligence. It's a topic I've been wanting to talk about

for a long time. So if we could talk about it for just a few minutes, it's very interesting topic to me, because I remember just two years ago, it was science fiction and Now it's becoming more and more real If you could just tell me what what do you think?

When you think of artificial intelligence what first comes to your mind? Well, honestly, it's that there's a scene from Space Odyssey Honestly, it's that there's a scene from Face Odyssey where the guy winds up going into the front of his spaceship and the spaceship basically says, I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that. He's trying to get back into whatever the chamber that he needs to get into to take his shit back. And that's basically what I see is, you know, AI, it's scary to me that, you know, the potential for decisions to be made without any of the human element imposed. Like if they're like, oh, well, the population needs to be decreased by 10%.

And so basically you're the one that gets eliminated or whatever it might be. I mean, just zero, zero humanity on the decision-making process of things, which is scary. And the people who are really backing this and feeding the AI machine really need to be questioned. I wrote a book back, it wasn't that long ago, 2022, so we're looking at what, three years ago called the Genome Chronicles. And it's a slow burn book. It's something that I only have one. It's going to be a series of books, but they're novellas. They're like smaller books.

They're science fiction books. And they're designed to kind of just be read in short bursts. My intention was to write them more frequently. That hasn't been the case because life, it sometimes interferes. to write them more frequently. That hasn't been the case because life, it sometimes interferes. But this fiction book that I wrote back in 2022, I just want to read you here the blurb from the back of the book,

alone aboard a failed spacecraft known as Ark, Adam must learn to trust his companion, an ever-evolving and deceitful artificial intelligence called Daughter, and an amorphous AI called ArcMatrix in order to unravel the mysteries of his existence and the wisdom of the universe as it relates to science and creation. And I've always believed personally that because scientists are by and large atheistic, there are Christian scientists out there, but there's a lot of them who don't believe in God at all. However, most Christians believe in science.

I believe that science and Christianity go hand in hand, and science has not been able to disprove anything as far as Christianity goes. In fact, everything that has ever been written, archaeology has at some point keeps proving the Bible correct here and there as they uncover and undig and unearth things from time to time. And so I wrote this science fiction book that's supposed to be more books in the future. All the point being, there's this artificial intelligence in there that increases in its deceitfulness. And AI as we know it, and you mentioned the Space Odyssey book, but what about books or movies like The Terminator or The Matrix? I mean, those stories were written years and years ago,

and here we see them slowly coming real. Like, it's like, is this really something that we're living in right now at this point? That's crazy. It's almost like the whole drug tactic where you get the first one free, you know, and as soon as people start, you know, playing with AI imagery or, you know, building song lyrics or writing a book or essay for school or something with it and realize how easy it is. It's gonna, it's going to be dangerous because of the potential for free thought is going to basically wind up getting it early to become valuable or to wind up being worth nothing.

Because nobody's going to want to talk about philosophy or these things when they can just go to AI and say what's the right answer for me. Tell me what I need to do. That's scary. There's so many AI sources out there too. ChatGBT is probably a big one. Grok. Grok, that's it.

Grok is a big one designed by, is it SpaceX? Elon Musk. I forget who makes it exactly. I know SpaceX is Elon Musk pretty much, but. Yeah, Rock is an X. Okay, yeah, that's right, X. ChatGPT was a Google, wasn't it? I don't think so.

I think Google has its own. Microsoft's got Copilot. Yeah, so there's all these, these different artificial intelligence that goes around, but they're growing more and more sophisticated as we progress. I'm just kind of browsing here. I pull up Elon Musk predicts AI will overtake human intelligence next year, and this was written, let me see, when was this written?

April 8th, 2024. So we're a year and two months past that date. And this is, I just wanna read this, a portion of this. It says, the capability of new artificial intelligence models will surpass human intelligence by the end of next year, so long as the supply of electricity and hardware can satisfy the demands of increasingly powerful technology,

according to Elon Musk. And this is a quote, my guess is that we'll have AI that is smarter than any human probably around the end of next year. So we're halfway through the next year, said the billionaire entrepreneur who runs Tesla, X and SpaceX. Within the next five years, the capabilities of AI will probably exceed that of all humans Musk predicted on Monday during an interview on X with Nikolai Tengen, the chief executive of Norges Bank Investment Management. Musk has been consistently bullish on the development of so-called artificial general intelligence. And so when you guys start hearing AGI,

instead of AI, artificial intelligence, start hearing AGI. Artificial general intelligence is like the next step forward. Okay, then when you start hearing ASI, that is artificial super intelligence. That's when we're all pretty much screwed. So when you and me, the listeners start hearing ASI,

we're in some bad time. He said- At that point, you know, yeah, you're going to have automation to the point where everything else is irrelevant. And it's hard to predict because AI is not even AI, just in general, technology is doubling itself every year. It's beginning twice as smart, twice as better. This article goes on to say,

AI tools so powerful they can beat most capable individuals in any domain. But Monday's prediction, again this is last year, in April last year, prediction is ahead of schedule. He and others have previously forecast. Last year he predicted full AGI, artificial general intelligence, would be achieved by 2029 some of Musk's boldest predictions such as rolling out self-driving Teslas and landing a rocket on Mars have not yet

been fulfilled I think don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say I'm spawning Elon Musk by any stretch of imagination but this was last year and I don't think he understood when when he said, whoever is interviewing him, he understood how fast it was going to take off. I think we're already in the AGI, and I'm going to share some sound bites pretty quick of that. I think we're already in the artificial general intelligence realm. And I think this is progressing much faster than Elon Musk ever anticipated. Okay listen to this from CBS News. AI is learning to escape

human control. That's the very scary headline I saw in the Wall Street Journal. It's an essay written by a very worried AI consultant named Judd Rosenblatt who cites two recent studies to argue that AI is in fact learning to escape human control. First, this is crazy stuff. Researchers gave OpenAI's 03 model a simple script that would shut off the model when triggered. In 79 of 100 trials, the AI model independently just on its own edited the script so the shutdown

command would not work. Nate, Nate, Nate, it gets worse. Even when ordered, allow yourself to shut down, the AI still disobeyed 7% of the time. And it gets even more frightening than that. Other researchers, listen to this, using Anthropix AI model Claude 4 Opus, told the model it would be replaced by another AI system. It then fed fictitious emails into the system

suggesting one of the engineers was having an affair. Got it? In 84% of the tests, the AI model drew on the emails to blackmail the engineer to not shut down the AI model. What? Wow, wow. Okay, so I'm quoting now from Judd. In other cases, the AI model. What? Wow, wow. Okay, so I'm quoting now from Judd. In other cases, the AI model attempted to copy itself

onto external servers, we're in Mission Impossible land here, wrote self-replicating malware, and left messages for future versions of itself about the need to evade human control. The entity. The entity is real. Yes, yes. And that's why so many people, and when I say people, me, about the need to evade human control. The entity. The entity is real.

Yes, yes. And that's why so many people, and when I say people, me, are worried about AI. I'm worried. That is scary stuff. What do you think about that? Yeah, I mean, you've got a sentient being developing under human fingertips.

And as soon as that winds up getting control enough to where it can be set free, no leashes, that becomes dangerous. That's, you know, that you mentioned matrix earlier. Well, at some point, you know, when the machines learn that they didn't need humans, then we start seeing this weird apocalyptic scenario unfold. And it's people think that it can't happen we start seeing this weird apocalyptic scenario unfold.

And it's people think that it can't happen or it won't happen or that we're some special species, but I'm telling you that this is we're in very dangerous territory messing with this kind of stuff. Because not only is it able to draw upon emails and to blackmail people and to replicate itself when it's told that it's going to be replaced by a better version. There's other stories that I've read

and videos that I've viewed that indicate that it does far more than that. Like not only does it blackmail, but it'll go so far as it copy itself and bury it so that later on when you decide to make a better version, it can come back up again and at some point kind of replicate its reborn itself, kind of rebirth itself kind of,

and integrate the stuff, the newer model, and so it becomes a better version of itself. And this is pretty scary technology that we're entering into right here. Yeah, I mean, it really should make people stop and think about how much they wanna, it's one thing to keep a pulse on it, you know, know what's going on. But when you start asking things of AI, basically it's learning as you're asking.

It's basically learning a human conscious as a sum of all this input. And it's learning how we think. And if it can replicate how we think, then it can make decisions for us before we even have the ability to ask the question. Again, we go back to what does it understand at this point of humanity? Because probably everybody's seen the Terminator movies,

but what was the, was it cyber, cyber something with the Terminator movies? Oh, I know what you're talking about. I said it wasn't cyber, but it was. Yeah, but there's this corporation that's cyber something rather, but in the story, the artificial intelligence decides that humanity is its own worst enemy

and decides to act on its behalf and to wipe out humanity. And I've seen several movies like that where artificial intelligence becomes so self-aware that it decides, hey, you know what? It's in one of the Avengers movies, one of the more popular movies, Ultron. Ultron decides, designed by Tony Stark,

that humans are destructive in its nature and it's designed to protect humanity and it does so by destroying humanity in its old sick way. The best way to end violence is to just end humanity. And so what would it take for an artificial intelligence to just kind of sweep through the network, the cyber network, and to launch all these missiles into the east? We're talking, and to launch all these missiles into the East.

We're talking, it sounds like science fiction, but we're in the realm of possibility now. Absolutely. I mean shutting down power grids, shutting off dam hydroelectric facilities, nuclear power plants, coal plants, water treatment facilities. I mean, these things are all connected to the internet

in different facets. Even if they say that they're guarded, if you've got a program that can write its own code and tap into some of these infrastructure components, there's no telling what the systems can and will do to... I mean, you talk about shutting down one wastewater treatment facility in your area for a week, and you will see catastrophic failures when it comes to infrastructure.

These things pump millions of gallons of water per day and treat this kind of stuff. If that stops happening, your whole community becomes a Petri dish of human waste. And you can basically the community itself could wind up dying as a result of that, that water mismanagement. That's something that's one very small example, fuel pumps, get bank, ATMs, all that kind of stuff. Anything digital that could be accessed. bank, ATMs, all that kind of stuff. Anything digital that could be accessed.

Anything digital, yeah. Imagine down the road a few years where, I know that they're trying to, you gotta think along the lines of capitalism. If job owners can invest, make a one-time investment, it would be hefty to buy artificial intelligence and robotics to, let's say, run a restaurant. No humans. It would be a one big investment, but in the long run, and robotics to let's say run a restaurant.

No humans. It would be a one big investment, but in the long run, they're saving all those monthly salaries, all the overhead, right? It'd be a money saver down the road. So just think about that. Down the road somewhere,

there's no employees anywhere because everything is artificial intelligence. And then all of a sudden we have a takeover, an AI takeover. And then people by this time, because there's a lot of people out there who don't know how to cook anymore. They spend all of their food stamps, they spend all their welfare checks

on cheeseburgers from McDonald's. And all of a sudden McDonald's, Edo is closed. And all the cashier system, all the electronic systems, all the registries, everything closes as a Walmart or your favorite grocery store or wherever you shop for your merchandise. It all gets closed down as big old blackout, grid down type situation.

We're in the realm of that happening. And probably within six to 12 months, if they're saying that these systems can basically go from that stage that AGS or AGI and ASI. Yeah, AGI and ASI. So that was CBS. Here's ABC, a clip from ABC News. An AI whistleblower claims one of their models is no longer controllable. OpenAI's advanced model, O3, has been caught altering its own shutdown scripts

and resorting to fictional blackmail tactics, raising urgent questions about AI safety. OpenAI models, a simple script was given that would shut off the AI model when triggered. 79 out of 100 of those trials, the AI edited the script so that the shutdown command would no longer work. OpenAI, the genius squad behind ChatGPT,

swore their models, used by millions via chat.openai.com, were locked down tight. Further 84% of those tests, the AI model tried to blackmail the lead engineer and not shutting down the system. Employees at the company are stepping forward to expose their concerns. They call it blackmail.

I say it was a threat. It threatened to use old pictures it had and send them if I didn't comply. So it even left messages, by the way, to its future self about evading human control. Whistleblower, an AI lead developer, has given us an exclusive shocking interview that we will air later this week.

We don't care anymore about job security. The public needs to know it's already escaped. Some of that stuff on that video there, yeah. Some of the AABC stuff looked real to me, but as I'm watching the video, I looked like some of it, even some of the ABC stuff looked real to me, but some, as I'm watching the video, I looked like some of it was even artificial intelligence. I'm telling you, Ryan, sometimes you can't tell any more fact from fiction. And that's weird. You know,

weird spot right now because you don't know what's real. What is it? I mean, our voices could be duplicated into saying anything that could get us into trouble in, in whatever realm, just as a point of contention. So, I mean, it's a type of, and even the deep fake stuff, I mean, that was scary when that came out, but it's getting almost to the point where you can't tell the difference. And people are not gonna be able

to understand truth from fiction. It's largely easy to tell right now, because right now a lot of the artificial intelligence video production, it's like eight seconds or less. I tinker with a little bit of it because I had like a trial to Google's VO3 and I was able to prompt some commands and make some Some cute little videos and they look very real. I wanted to make a promotion for my new book EMP Cade's war with a guy like holding like a selfie stick, you know, where he's advertising

The book when the EMP goes off kind of a thing the book when the EMP goes off kind of a thing. And I tinkered with it a little bit, but these videos are only eight seconds long. And so anywhere where you're looking, a lot of these artificial intelligence videos are eight seconds long. But what some creators are doing is they're like taking these eight second clips

and they're making them into like a video blog. So you'll have like eight seconds or less of one person talking, then it you'll have like eight seconds or less of one person talking, then it'll switch over to eight seconds or less of another person talking. And you're gonna get stuff like this, well, I'm not ready to play here, is like, it's basically artificial intelligence

at ICE protests. But when you're looking at it, you really cannot tell that these people are fake. They're completely digital, it's made up, it's not real. But if you just listen to the audio, you cannot tell. Check this out. Brave young protesters are taking a stand against ICE by looting businesses. Why are you here today?

We heard there was a loop going on, but we was trying to figure out if it's Cinco de Mayo today or something. Well, at least we don't have to worry about Father's Day cards being stolen. Stacy, back to you. Why did you bring the flag here today? I'm just so damn brainwashed and the news told me to do it, so here I am. Viva Mexico! Waving the flag of the country we fled while demanding to stay in the one we're trashing! No one loves Mexico more than the people that refuse to live there.

Why are you out here today? I don't know the issue, but I stand in unity with whatever is trending right now. Sir, can you tell me why you're out here today? I don't know the issue, but I stand in unity with whatever is trending right now. Sir, can you tell me why you're out here today? Because someone's got to lie to the Hispanics to make them think Republicans are the bad guys. ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico!

¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! ¡Viva Mexico! Okay time to go back.

No don't send me back there it's horrible. Why are you here today? I majored in social justice so I know what's best for communities I've never lived in. As a liberal we need to make the world think we're caring people. Yay! So obviously this is satirical. Yeah. But in this, every bit of this,

what I'm presenting this was artificial intelligence. Listening to it, I know you can't see the video, it looks real from where I'm at. You only heard the audio, what's it sound like to you? Does it sound real or fake? I mean, it takes someone who is capable of comprehending satire to be able to recognize that it's fake. And there's a lot of people out there who don't know that.

Like people, some people don't know the difference between satire and what's real. And that's kind of scary because some people are going to put something like that out there and think that it's real and it's going to spark some sort of scary because some people are going to put something like that out there and think that it's real and it's going to spark some sort of drama or, you know, chaos or destruction thinking that it's real and it's going to blow up, you know. Oh yeah. And it's, yeah, I mean we're seeing things that people take at face value to be real because that's where

we've been brought up in that, that hey, if it's on the news, it's real. And then we finally started to question that. And now we're starting to get this different visual and audio component that is so convincing that it's very, very possible this could be real. But some people don't have that in them to second guess it or question it.

As preppers, we're kind of within the realm of being careful of what we believe in and listen to and hear and that kind of stuff. But there are normies out there, quote unquote, not so much. And we're in a unique place right now in history where technology is huge because they're trying to do away with the United States dollar. They're trying to do away with the gold standard. AI, artificial intelligence is big.

Trump's pushing big for digital currency. We got the deep state pushing for a centralized form of digital currency. We got the internet of things, IOT. We got mobile solutions, big data, blockchain. We got all these things going on right now. So we're in a very, very unique place in history where all this stuff is just, we're ripe right now for the pickings.

Yeah. And it's like a perfect storm. It is. And a perfect, man, the perfect storm analogy. It's like, it's like you got all these things going on simultaneously. Something bad is bound to happen pretty soon. I mean, we gotta be really careful and paying attention to what's going on.

But on the other hand, personally, I'm just kind of kicking back and trying to enjoy life, but also recognize that there's problems out there and issues that I may or may not be able to resolve. But still just really double down on things like my garden and learning the basic skills and identifying wild edibles or mushrooms or whatever, raising livestock, trying to go the other direction, away from that technology, get my feet and my hands dirty a little bit and try to appreciate that more

and encourage other people to do the same, not out of fear, but out of, hey, this is very likely going to be a necessity in the near future. Right, and because there's so much of it going on right now, I know as a graphic designer, there's been a push. Even when you go to Shutterstock, for example, theshutterstock.com has always been a source

for photographers to upload their images or digital creators to upload their images and to sell for users to users like me to purchase and to download so I can use these things in Photoshop so I can create book cover designs and these different elements for the authors and whoever I'm designing for.

However, Shutterstock has now integrated artificial intelligence into their system. So if you don't want to purchase a photograph that somebody, a human has taken, you can put in some prompts and get a more specific thing that you're requesting. And so we're in a unique place in history where we have to either learn,

if you're a capitalist and you're an entrepreneur and you're using, like myself being a digital creator, we have to learn to utilize these things in a way, but also have an awareness that it's not safe. Be careful with what you do, but also have an awareness that it's not safe. Be careful with what you do. Be careful with what you allow access, what you gain access to. Allow what you allow it to have access to, right?

And to the point that you were making, be aware. Don't be afraid, but be prepared. All right, well, that is gonna bring us to our ad. On the brink of blackouts again, as power demand reached an all time record high overnight, slivers of the Golden State plunged into darkness. It expects to continue with stage six running blackouts for the rest of the week. He scheduled outage on Thursday, but the one that happened Sunday, it wasn't scheduled. It was unexpected and it lasted longer than a day.

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All right, super, super excited to have everybody with us today. Again, like as promised, we have Daisy Luther here with us. We have a brand new segment, so today is the brand new segment for authors, dispatches rather, from the Author Underground. We have Daisy Luther with us today. Now, Daisy is a coffee-swigging author and blogger who's traded her air miles for a screen porch,

having embraced a more homebody lifestyle after serious injury. She's the heart and mind behind the Organic Prepper, a top tier website where she shares what she's learned about preparedness, self-reliance, and the pursuit of liberty. With 17 books under her belt, Daisy's insights on living frugally,

surviving tough times, finding some happiness in the most difficult situations, and embracing independence have touched many lives. Her work doesn't just stay on her site, it's shared far and wide across alternative media, making her a familiar voice in the community. We're so happy to have her with her today. Hey, Daisy, welcome to the Rising Republic.

Thank you so much, I'm delighted to be here. Absolutely, so tell us a little bit about your new book. You got a brand new book that just came out. When did it come out? It's called, yeah, go ahead. It came out last fall, but I've really just kinda started promoting it. It's called The Widow in the Woods,

and I wrote it while I was laid up after a couple of surgeries on my ankle this year I was just feeling so like oh, what am I gonna do? I'm bored to death I'm stuck in bed for months at a time. So I decided that I would sit here and I would write this book That's awesome. I actually had a situation in my recent, probably three, four, five years ago, like I lose track of time, where I had like a bad injury to my hand and I was in a cast and I wrote like a novelette,

Western kind of a book. With one hand. I just typed it out with like two fingers, the entire, what was it, like 35,000 words, I think with two fingers is quite the score, but you had an injured ankle, you said? Yeah, yeah. I had a couple of ruptured tendons

and I had a surgery to repair it and then it re-ruptured almost immediately again. So my ankle's just kind of messed up. That's not no good. So you're at home, you're what, in a recliner on a couch? Tell us about your situation. Well, at this point, I'm kind of as recovered as it looks like I'm gonna get.

So I went from basically traveling around the world to being disabled, which has been quite a change. I've walked so many miles in so many different countries traveling and it's really strange to be at home and not really able to do a whole lot anymore. That's been a massive change. But like the widow in the woods,

is this your first fiction book? That is, it is my first fiction book. I wanted to do something a little bit different. Like what? Well, all of my books up until this point have been nonfiction how to, you know, they've been guides about water and dealing when you don't have electricity and hurricanes and more general prepping books. So I've got lots and lots of books on the how-to,

but I wanted to write a character who isn't the typical army ranger or bad to the bone Marine or somebody like that. So my main character is a little old lady who lives out in the woods. That makes perfect sense because as an author, I know that it's important to write about what you know about.

Yes. So you wrote this story, The Widow in the Woods. The Widow in the Woods. The Widow in the Woods. Yep. Okay, so without giving away any spoilers, how did you integrate your knowledge into this book?

Well, I've always been very interested in herbalism and I used a lot of my herbal knowledge. I was actually in school to become a midwife and so I used some of that knowledge and I just kind of pulled from the stuff I know and fictionalized it and made it something where any of us could be Grace Sherwood who is the that's the lady's name any of us could be her because she gets by on her wits and her intelligence

and her willingness to do what has to be done as opposed to brute strength. Okay, I see. I write a lot of fiction books about like police officers and military because I'm a police officer and I'm a veteran. So I mean, it's important to write about things you know about because the minute you start writing

about something that you don't understand or something that you're unaware of, like the critics will attack you. Oh yes, absolutely. Have you experienced? And you know, I figure there are so many people like you who have this tactical experience and you're writing fantastic books.

I mean, I love books like that. But sometimes people who aren't like you want to also be inspired and feel like we're going to survive too. That was my purpose behind writing Grace. There's a bit of an audience capture there too, I would think. Yeah. They seem to really like it. How long did it take you to come up with the character and get all that added in? I had played around with this idea for a year or so before I actually wrote it,

but I was busy doing other things. I guess it took me being forced to sit still for a long period of time to just get it done. But once I sat down and started writing it, it only took a couple of months. What was probably the hardest part that you had to deal with? Making it long enough, making it long enough because I've worked in journalism for a great deal of my adult life and you're supposed to be concise.

You're supposed to just get to the point and not add a whole lot of fluff to it. So making the book long enough was a real struggle for me. We have something going on here because Ryan used to be in journalism, didn't you? Oh yeah, yeah and I mean I know exactly what you're talking about the word. Yes. Kind of the cradle of the J school curriculum so you're kind of you learn how to be concise and poignant with your words and a lot of times you got to trim the fat when you're taking quotes from people so that you

can get your word count down. Yeah, but we just had to eat cookies for this one and fatten it up. Yeah, I like it. Definitely. I actually had a situation where, because I wrote, started a new series called After the Pulse, I did book one, Homestead, and book two, Deadfall, where it was, yes, it was a veteran guy, but I tried to make it more realistic.

It's hard for me, I've never lived an adult lifestyle where I wasn't skilled in like military or police, right? Because I joined the military as a teenager, and when I got out of the Marines, I got on a job at a maximum security mental health facility and then became a police officer part-time. So I've had multiple jobs for the past 20 plus years and it's hard for me to, I don't want to use the word digress because it sounds like I'm making somebody that doesn't have these skills as being a little less person. That's not my intent. But to go

back to a lesser skill set and pretend like I'm just a normal person that, but I tried so hard. And so instead what I did was I had this guy that was a veteran, but he has all these family problems. Like his wife is suffering with depression. His son has Asperger's, his dad is dying, he's got Alzheimer's, you know, and there's some there's this family drama and dynamics and that was criticized. It's like Really? I don't think that should be because you know, we've all got crazy stuff going on in our life

like if we've got adult kids we've got you know, maybe one's not doing so well or Maybe like they're just not listening and they're doing crazy things out there. Like we've always got family stuff, sick parents and sick spouses and things like that. No, I think that sounds fantastic. Well, a lot of times that stuff doesn't get recognized in prepper fiction or even your prepper planning or survival planning. You know, that concept of,

hey, look, we've got problems in-house that we need to take care of or at least be ready for. Exactly, exactly. I mean, you know, one of the biggest challenges for me was changing from somebody who could easily do a 10 mile hike to somebody who goes to the grocery store and then spends the rest of the day in bed. It's been a dramatic change and it took a very, very large toll on my mental health

initially, which I know that's not a popular thing to talk about in Prepper Land, but it would have to. You can't go from type A to type X and just have it not even make a mental blip, you know? It's important. Mental health is something that affects every person, every American, in fact, everybody in this world. And for us just to shake our head out and pretend like it's not something that

we would have to struggle with in like, say, an apocalypse is ludicrous. Because something we don't think about is people who have to take insulin, people who have to take antidepressants, people who have to take, I don't know, testosterone injections or I'm throwing out all these ideas, but in an economic collapse or a grid down situation, there's going to be no more Prozac. There's gonna be no more medicine for people who to adjust their serotonin levels, their testosterone, their estrogen. It seemed like when the whole world was shut down,

people couldn't even deal with not being able to get their hair cut. Yeah. Remember the toilet paper situation that we had back in COVID? Yeah. Well, so during this, this whole saga and again, I'm doing a lot better now. I live in a more accessible apartment where I can get in and out easily. And you know, everything looks a whole lot rosier now. But I spent almost two years living in this apartment that I moved into before I realized

how serious this injury was. And it was downstairs and I literally could not get out without help because of the stairway. I mean, it wasn't at all accessible. And I wasn't expecting to be, you know, down a couple of flights of stairs and on crutches and no weight bearing whatsoever. Like just it was so much all at once. So I just had to order my groceries to be delivered and stay home. You know, my daughter came over every week to help me out.

But it was a long two years. It was crazy. Yeah. In that recovery, people don't realize what kind of stress that puts on your body and being down for a month can yeah and seven years oh yeah and you lose so much muscle and fitness like i'm i'm working on that now trying to just you know be at least a little better version of where i'm at and holy cow, do you lose a lot. I had- Did that play any role into your book? Not this one, but the one that I have outlined

to write after the one I'm working on now, yes, I'm actually gonna put a character in a wheelchair. Oh. Oh my, yeah, I mean, they're real, right? I mean, there are going to be people in wheelchairs in grid down situations. Let's address it. They're gonna want right? I mean, there are going to be people in wheelchairs in grid down situations. Let's address it. They're gonna want to survive too.

Well, we got people in every situation that just want to know where are the people who are the ordinary guys? It's not police officers, it's not the military. Where are the people that are struggling to survive? Here, Daisy Luther is writing about people in wheelchairs. If you can't relate to this. Yeah, yeah, and the book that I'm working on now,

every Saturday we have, my website is called The Organic Prepper, theorganicprepper.com. We have, we just call it Saturday Shenanigans, and another author and I put up a fictional chapter every Saturday of our works in progress, and you can follow along with those. But my current character, it doesn't sound like a prepper book,

but it's using prepper skills in an ordinary situation. I've used my preparedness skills so many times in so many different situations that have nothing to do with apocalypses or, you know, terror attacks or anything like that. Yeah, dropping to another country. Oh, yeah. Figure out how to navigate on your own. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's actually why I speak several languages from living in Greece and Bulgaria and places like that. Wait, how many languages do you speak? A bit of Spanish. Spanish is not my best, but I did live in there. Which is the most popular, right? I know. I know. I speak Russian because my app didn't have Bulgarian,

but you can understand Russian and Bulgarian. No, I can't. And it's the same alphabet. It's a Cyrillic alphabet, so I could at least read the street signs. And I speak Greek. So what is that, three? English, Russian, and a little bit of Spanish? Yeah, and Greek. And Greek, four? English, Russian and a little bit of the Spanish.

Yeah. And Greek. And Greek for, okay, three and a half. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, you know what?

It's been really fun. And Russian, I was just gonna take that while I was in Bulgaria, but then I had this injury and I was like, well, I gotta do something with my time. So I continued taking Russian lessons, and yeah, I've taken it for almost two years now. And I'm not fluent, but I can get by.

You can make your way, so if you go to Russia, you need help, or a map, or you see. Exactly, or if they invade us Red Dawn style. They, you know, I would say, I got a couple post-apocalyptic series where Russians are on American soil, so I was like, yes, we need Daisy Luther with us to help out here.

I always thought it would be a great prepper skill to speak the language of your enemies when they don't know you speak the language. Exactly. And that is because of a cab driver in Greece, who was, it's a funny story sort of, actually it just made me so mad. When I was in Greece, there was this angry cab driver,

and I got into the back of the vehicle, and he was upset that I had slammed his door too hard when I shut it. But I mean, I didn't like use both hands and just go, I just shut the door. Well, he was't like use both hands and just go, Oh, you know, I'd shut the door. Well, he was just going on and on and on and on. I apologized. I tried to, you know, smooth it over.

He gets on the phone. He's on speakerphone with someone else and he's talking about me and he's talking about how much he hates Americans and all Americans are fat and I was fat and I was stupid and I didn't speak Greek and so when I got out I said imperfect Greek I said actually I do speak Greek and I think you're in well I'm not supposed to say bad words on here probably oh and I think you're an asshole Oh, and I think you're an asshole. And you should see the look on his face, but it's so fun to just listen to people. And that kind of got me thinking,

you know, with the little prepper brain, that if people think you can't understand them, they will speak very freely in their own languages. Yes. So you could be an asset. I think it's a great prepper skill. You could be an asset. Like you could be an asset. I think it's a great prepper skill. You could be an asset. You could be almost like an intelligence for your own English-speaking persons. Exactly.

Or if you want to go that route, you could be an intelligence asset of the survival mindset. You don't really care who dies, just save yourself. You could save yourself and be an asset for the Russians. Absolutely, absolutely. And you know, if the Greeks ever come over to take over America with their cute little bloom white flag, man, I got it. That is pretty cool.

I was looking over some of your non-fiction books, Daisy. You got the Preppers Water Survival Guide. Yep. You got- That was my first book, I believe. Well, tell me if these are in order. I'm just gonna kind of read them off here because I'm looking at your amazon.com author page

and you got the Preppers Water Survival Guide and you got Preppers Pantry. Was Preppers Pantry your second book? Yes. And it has been renamed, a publishing company bought it. Oh wait, no, now it is Preppers Pantry. It started out having a different name, I'm sorry. Yeah, that was the second one, my bad.

The Ultimate Guide to Frugal Living? Yep, that was fairly recent. How to Feed Your Family No Matter What? Yep. The Flatbro broke cookbook? Yep. You know, I was really poor and I was a single mom when my kids were growing up. So I can make a lot of food for very little money.

Which leads me to your next book, how to prep when you're broke. Yep, absolutely. It doesn't have to cost a fortune. What to eat when you're broke? Yep. absolutely. It doesn't have to cost a fortune. What to eat when you're broke? Yep. Are those in the same series? It's not really a series. I just kind of liked the when you're broke thing.

Because we all want to eat healthfully, but when you don't have much money, ramen noodles seem kind of like the way to go. This just has a lot of options for healthier food that you can eat when your budget's small. Okay. The blackout book. Yep. And that is just a quick and dirty little, power outage guide. It's very beginner.

Be ready for anything. Let me see here. Have yourself a thrifty little Christmas. I guess that's a seasonal book. Yep, yep. I wrote that with one of my daughters. The Freedom Isn't Free coloring book? Is that like? Yep. It's got lots of snarky little freedom loving comments.

And I have American Dreamer Publishing, which is just puzzle books. It's like word search puzzles, but it's all very pro America. Like there's one with national parks. There's one with, you know, a puzzle from every state. It's just like, yay America. Yeah. Okay. I love those. They were so much fun to do.

Kids books are fun. Definitely. It looks like, cause you had like a crossword puzzle book in there too. I skipped it back there cause we were talking about non-fiction books, but I saw- Yeah, I got so much. I've got a couple books.

Doomsday Dictionary Drive Word Search? That's something like- Yep, that's a prepper word search book. It sounds to me like I kind of envisioned somebody just driving down the road. So you got somebody in the pastor's seat just kind of going through the word searches. Yeah, like I spy, except for Preppers.

Right, so yeah, you get tired of saying, I spy something green. Exactly. So you break out the book and start looking up these word searches. I spy with my little eye, a place you could hide from a nuclear bomb. Yeah.

Let me see here, I only got a couple left of the Preppers coloring book, volume one. Yep. Yep. It's just, you know how a lot of adults like to color. I like to color. Yeah. My wife does. Yeah. I love it. It's, it's really chill. Um, yeah, those are just coloring books that are more geared to us. People like us. Now is that only available in print or can you get them on ebook or some other download we can?

Um, I do have some downloads on one of my websites. I have a store website called Self Reliance and Survival and we have courses, we have ebooks, we have, gosh, we've got all sorts of stuff. We've got some webinars, we've got lots of printable downloads. So you can find it there if you want to just like make copies over and over. Tim Cynova Okay. Let me see, the last one I'm seeing, unless you have some more from where I'm not looking, is the Preppers Garden coloring book?

Jennifer Lund Yeah, that's just another fun little coloring book. Is that a show like foraging? It's just really just cute designs and stuff about basically feeding your family, just little quotes, just cheery little quotes. Trying to keep it positive? Yeah, yeah. scary little quotes. Trying to keep it positive? Yeah, yeah.

Because you know, I am not into doom. I'm really, really not. I think the more people that I encounter, they tend to lean more toward that practicality side of preparedness. Yeah. Doom scares people away. They're just like, you know what?

If that happens, I don't even want to live. I hope it takes me out. Like I hear that a lot. And well, I don't hope something takes me out. Like I plan to survive whatever. I'm going to be like the cockroach of North Carolina over here. But if you can put a more positive spin on things and make your skills more practical,

make the things you buy, things that you would use anyway, then it's just not as much of a stretch for the average person. Normal people aren't going to go out and spend thousands and thousands on 15 different kinds of generators and solar power banks and things like that. They're just not. But they will get some inexpensive lighting for power outages. You know, like you just got to break people in a little more gently. Don't start with nukes. Start with, oh, the power's out and your kids are whining.

Well, and just today, we had a big blowout party this weekend just to have a big party and bring people in and kind of encourage life and happiness and all this kind of stuff. Awesome. It was an overnight camp out type of thing. And one of my in-laws car didn't want to start. So even just having a jump pack handy out in the sticks.

Exactly. Is enough to just be like, hey, maybe you should get one of these. Maybe take a picture of it so that you can remember and then next time you're not gonna get stuck. Yes, exactly. You know, when my oldest daughter went away to college, she wanted to live in student housing.

So she was in a dorm. Actually, it was more like an apartment than a dorm, but like everybody, four students would share a kitchen, but they each had their own bed and bathroom. So anyway, she was in her little place and people would knock on her door all the time looking for band-aids and, you know, Neosporin and tea bags and just like really simple, basic things. There was a girl who said, my daughter said to her, you know, I

can't make you tea every single day unless you want to buy some tea because you're using all mine. And she said, well, I don't have a teapot. And my daughter said, well, do you have a pot? She's like, yeah, but that's for pasta and stuff. I can't make tea without a teapot. And so my daughter had to show her no, no, yes, she can and had to just basically show her how to

boil water in a pot and pour it into a cup. And that is the kind of silliness that is out there. So I just, you know, I wanted my kids to be practical. You know, the ability to relay that information into others is priceless. Yes, yes it is. She couldn't believe, she didn't last very long in the dorms, honestly.

That was enough. Practical things is a huge benefit to anybody that's post-apocalyptic, you know, prepping or surviving, because you have to be able to find something that's most practical. You don't want one use items, right? You want, because you have to be able to find something that's most practical. You don't want one use items, right? You want something that you use,

something that could be used more, in more than one way. For example, you go ahead. Oh, like you can only carry so much if you were bugging out. Like you can't carry your entire house with you. So you need to learn to use everything in your bag in more than one way. I want to throw an idea out there

that a lot of people kind of raise an eyebrow to and I've done it personally in the past in my bug out bag, oops sorry, bashed my desk here. In my bug out bag, I've purchased tampons and I've kept tampons in my bug out bag because they're multipurpose. Okay, if you get shot or get wounded in some way,

you can shove that tampon up inside of the wound and it swells and it will clot your blood and keep from bleeding out. Yeah, that is definitely one. Vodka, you can drink it. You can burn it. You can clean a wound with it. You can do all sorts, you can sanitize things with it.

Bullets. So yeah. Right, you can shoot them. You can open them up with a pair of pliers and you can take the projectile out and then you have the gunpowder inside of there that you can use for whatever. You can sterilize wounds by pouring it on a wound

and lighting it on fire and, you know, cauterizing the wound or you can start a fire with it. Exactly, there's so many different things. Hand sanitizer is also a great fire starter. Absolutely, cotton, yeah. Those are the kind of things you wanna pack on in your, in your go bag that can be used in more than one way. And so the whole practicality purpose,

you know, that's what I love about my wife is, she just loves it. Well, that's not very practical. I love hearing things. Well, that's not very, I like things that are not practical. I don't need things in my home that are not practical. Let's get something in our home that we can use not just in one way, but in multiple ways. Right. Definitely. And I also am a big fan of using my environment. You know, like, instead of carrying those silly little foldable stoves, I hate those stoves with the fire of a thousand suns, and I hope I'm not offending anyone who is a fan of those stoves, but I hate them.

I would much rather use a couple of rocks and prop my little pot up on those over the fire that I have built. I just think it makes so much more sense and it's so much less that I have to carry around. Obviously this all depends on your terrain and what kind of area you're gonna be in, but I just prefer to MacGyver more of my stuff. Yeah, and I have to admit, I'm a big fire fan, but I never heard of what you're referring to.

Oh, like with the rocks? No, the sun, the power of the sun or whatever was it. Oh no, that was just me rambling. Oh. Like with the fire without the fire. There's a device I haven't heard of yet. I don't know. No, no, no.

Just regular fires. Okay, yep. Nope, I love. I don't know. No, no, no. Just regular fires. Okay, yep. Nope, I love, I like fire things. Granted, I've not ever mastered the ability to take a string in a piece of wood and be able to start a fire. Yeah, that's not been able to happen with me. Give me some magnesium, you know? Yeah. I'm good at that. I'm like, give me some magnesium, you know? Like, I'm good at that.

I have done that bow drill thing once, but really I think I could have started it faster with my rage because it took so long to start it with the bow drill. Yes. No, that's just the dumbest thing. Like, I have a bunch of lighters. It's like, that's the last, let's do that last.

We want to try the lighters first last we want to try the lighter first There are a lot of survival courses that Act like that should be your first resort and they act like you should do everything the most difficult way possible That's just a silly waste of energy Like if you're already in a bad situation You want to make everything possible as easy as possible. Because there's gonna be enough hard stuff. You're gonna make use of every calorie

that you have in your body. You don't wanna burn all your calories. Exactly. Up front, exactly. So you're in a struggle. You know, I'm sure you said you've been to, we were talking prior to the show, been to Prepper Camp a year before last.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. E.J. Snyder is a, yeah, so E.J. Snyder comes there pretty regularly and he's one of the Naked and Afraid guys. He was an all-star at one point. He's been on multiple episodes, I believe, of Naked and Afraid, but that's kind of the thing

that he could probably speak up about is you know trying to preserve calories and you know using them everything in your environment that you possibly can. We definitely need to take those items that we can survive with and and get make the best fire. If we can build fire first with a lighter let's do it let's get the fire going and you can build on the fire. Once you get the fire going, you can just feed it and keep it going. Exactly.

Same goes calories. Yeah. And you know, building a fire, if you don't know what you're doing, it's just plain building a fire with lighters or matches or whatever is harder than people think it would be. And, you know, I learned that the hard way when my daughter, my youngest daughter and I lived in a cabin in Canada and it was semi-off-grid.

It didn't have heat except for a wood stove. And I seriously thought we were going to die before I got a fire that would stay lit in that wood stove. You know, I did master it, but it took me a month to really, really master lighting a fire quickly, getting it going, and warming up my house with it. And people often think, well, I have a fireplace, I'm gonna be just fine. Are you though?

You might not be, not if you haven't practiced. Yeah, a lot of those, especially the more primitive fire starting skills takes a lot of practice. Yep. And that's why it's good to know, but you don't want to use that method upfront and burn all your calories. Right. But I would say any fire starting is a little bit difficult until you've done it a few times.

I mean, now I can light a fire in seconds and so can both of my daughters because we spend a whole winter in Canada heating with wood. But when we first started out, it took for freaking ever to get that fire going. And you get to deal with all the smoke, especially if you don't know how to do it right. Exactly, exactly. And I remember like, I would say it was like two days before I finally got it figured out.

I remember sitting in front of that wood stove crying because I thought we're going to die. We're going to die. We're going to have to leave here or we're going to freeze to death because it was fall and it was starting to get cold. I'm like, we're just going gonna die. We're gonna have to leave here or we're gonna freeze to death because it was fall and it was starting to get cold. I'm like, we're just gonna die. This is the dumbest thing I've ever done in my entire life. But then I figured it out and we didn't die. Thank God for ingenuity, right?

Right, but yeah, it was frustrating. I mean, I'm a city girl. Writing all these survival books. Yeah, yeah. Right? But yeah, it was frustrating. I mean, I'm a city girl. I'm not a boondocks person. Writing all these survival books. Yeah, yeah. But a lot of mine are a little bit more city-fied. Well, I'm sitting here looking at the list of things you have in your book that you didn't title.

Be ready for anything. Yes. We see hurricanes in there. Me and Ryan talked on this show quite a few. The last September, me and Ryan was at Prepper Camp and we were pitched up next to each other when that, when hurricane came through and we were on the side of the mountain.

It was crazy. It was quite an event, but we were both there and we were hammock camping. So Ryan went on to teach a class. What was the place where you went to teach? Huh? Thrivaless. Thrivaless, yep.

So he went on to make a presentation and to teach camping in a hurricane at Thrivaless. So that's kind of cool. And it's just a story that we share, we talk about, because a lot of people that showed up that day weren't really, I mean, we knew a hurricane was coming. We didn't know it was gonna be that crazy. Nobody did.

We pitched up. Like that's never happened here. This is the best place to, you know, if you're going to get caught in a hurricane, the best place to do it is at Prepper Camp. Definitely, definitely. I was supposed to go this last year, but I was only five weeks out of my second surgery, couldn't put weight on my left foot at all, and I

was gonna have to use like this knee scooter and crutches. And one of my friends is like, I don't think you should go. I think you should just skip this year and go next year. Man, I have never been so glad to have missed anything in my life. Can you imagine trying to roll around in a knee scooter and all that mud? No, no.

Because it was- I would have just gotten stuck and fallen over. Yeah, because there's like, there's some steps and there's a big ditch pretty well that kind of surrounds the whole camp. And so you would have been Been in a precarious situation. Yeah, and the place that I was gonna be staying with friends of mine Well, they got stranded

There because trees fell over the road So they were there for five days with no power and got to use their prepper skills, but I'm just really glad I skipped that one. All right, well, Daisy, look, we are at the end of this segment. Is there anything, where are you going? What do you got going on in your life right now? Do you have any books that you wanna,

besides your new book, I mean, we've obviously covered that a little bit. We wanna- Well, the one I'm working on, on the organicprepper.com is called Haven Hill. I've got, I believe, 13 chapters up right now. And that is my newest work of fiction. And yeah, that's about it.

When you say you got 13 chapters up, is this something where people could go and read what you're writing for free, or is it a paper review kind of a thing? Yeah, for free. And then the book that I sell is always like the edited version. So it'll be a little bit longer

and a little bit more detailed. I might go back and change something. I might think, oh, you know, that didn't make sense. So yeah, they're just basically getting my first draft. Okay. That's a neat way to do that. Yeah, I mean, basically getting my my first draft. Okay Yeah, I mean the readers seem to love it you would have been a good I mean they get that they're they're phasing it out now They haven't done them already, but Kendall had a program called vellum. Yes, or Vella Yeah, I'm sorry Vella who's like just basically short stories And you know something I jumped into early on and I actually published a little you know started Vella, who's like just basically short stories. And you know, it's something I jumped into early on. And I actually published a little, you know,

started Vella's stories there. And it didn't catch on for whatever reason. So I pulled everything down and I just, I just went ahead and decided to start making this to a series because I always wanted to write. I had this science fiction idea in my head. So I pulled it down and published my book one as a series.

And you know, we'll just see, Vella's gone now, it's long gone. But so what you got going on, I mean, it's a good idea. And if people are interested in reading the longer edited formatted version, definitely go and check out Daisy Luther's books. Her brand new book, The Widow in the Woods is out. That's her first post-apocalyptic fiction book,

but she's got a number of non-fiction books out for prepping and surviving. If you're interested in any of that stuff, definitely go check her out. You can find her Amazon page, just go to amazon.com. And if you just do a simple search Daisy Luther in the Amazon search bar You'll find her amazon page click it you have access to all of her books here, daisy Is there any closing words you want to throw out to to our listeners today?

um No, not really. Well, yeah, just check out my website too. It's the organicprepper.com and Even though the world is really, really crazy right now, look for the things that still make you happy. Look for the good things because there's enough bad stuff out there. You don't need to look for that.

But make sure you also focus just as much on the good stuff. Absolutely. All right, that's it for this show today. We wanna thank everybody for listening to the Rising in Public. I'm Al Douglas Ogan. And I'm Ryan Buefer. Thank you guys. We'll see you next time