The Prepper Broadcasting Network - The Strange Truth: What to do in a Nuclear Attack w/ Dave Jones the NBC Guy

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

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. Well hello to episode 65 of the strange truth. I'm your host Carl B and I've got a really special treat today. I've got Dave Jones on with me tonight. So and we're going to be talking about you know surviving a nuclear attack, right? I think that's been on everybody's mind and you know I really hope that this will help to put folks mind at ease and you know I've been saying this and Dave's been saying it you know this is not to wind you up if you're listening to this and if you're you know if if you're all you know if your anxiety levels are really really high right now my suggestion would be to, you know, step away, turn this podcast off, whatever you need to do, step away, spend some time with your family, you know, go into nature, you know, whatever you got to do to

get yourself relaxed. And then when the time's right, when you feel like you can handle it, then you come back to it. Right? But it's all about planning and trying to keep your family safe here. And, you know, PBN is a very, very unique service. You know, we, you know, and I think that we are, we are here at the right time with everything that's going on and with people needing this kind of help, how to plan, how to prepare, how to harden up your life, how to become more self-sufficient. We're talking in every single way, spiritually, physically is is is doing his commander's challenge thing right and and

As well as you know, just hardening up your life, you know finances and you know Making sure that your family can survive You know the hard times that are coming. Okay, and you know what I say they're coming. I think that they're already here so so welcome and I just since I want to get to Dave. I know his time is is very precious, right? What I what I want to do is I just want to mention our sponsors, right and This show is brought to you by the Preparer's Medical Handbook by William W. Forge, MD, and that's available at Amazon.com. So go on over to Amazon.com and check out the book.

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I'm sure a lot of the information that we're going to give out today to factor into your own preparation. So without further ado, I am going to introduce you to Dave Jones. He is our resident nuclear biological chemical expert on PBN. And I am going to ask Dave to introduce himself and you know just give us a little background and then we'll get into a few things with him so Dave Sure Okay can you hear the squeaky chair? Okay, then you got good reception well I'm Dave Jones the NBC guy and you might ask how do you get to be the NBC guy and

24 years of active federal service active duty in the US Army Chemical Corps. Graduated many schools with number one, you know, so I had a real proclivity to nuclear biological chemical warfare. I taught it for three years in an Army Reserve school that we ran at Fort Indiantown Gap, Pennsylvania and got instructor of the year one time. And let's see, my civilian background is emergency management. So you know, it's always an emergency when there's a nuclear biological chemical warfare. And I started with Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency. This was right after I retired from the Army.

And I was a watch officer for the state of Pennsylvania. And people would ask, what do you watch? I said mostly CNN in the Weather Channel because that's who all the emergencies came down from you know and My second week on the job 9-eleven happened and we watched the whole events of 9-eleven unfold on a big screen TV And at my console came the call from Somerset County dispatch. The dispatch lady said, hey, I got some guy that's on a cell phone says he's planes being hijacked. What are we telling? And before we could formulate an answer to give to her,

she said, never mind, we have smoke on the ground. And we know that today to be flight 93. And that was my introduction to emergency management. So I did that at Pennsylvania Emergency Management, NASA, headquarters in Washington, DC, Air Force Global Strike Command, which was a nuclear weapons command. the say about my weather but I retired from there three years ago and have been busier than anything since then I'm you know like James says you get to prep all day and I'll tell you it's been exhausting yeah you you know I I I could not I could not I mean you know just just the amount of stuff

you're doing today um you know uh it's just incredible and i think that what you the more you prep it's kind of like an ever-ending thing right the more you find things that you probably want to shore up and it's just incredible listening to your journey on PBN. And I want to tell the listeners, you know, just before the pandemic broke, okay, I think it was a couple months before, you know, I realized that, you know what, there's some, you know, the world isn't quite right. So I started looking for sources, places that I could go to get information and the only real place that you can go and get real information is the prepper community

yeah weird how that works and I found PBN I found the podcast I started listening to it and I had a little book called The Prepper Part 1 The Collapse and then I became a sponsor. And then right in that window, you know, the pandemic broke and, you know, PBN became my go-to source for information. You know, I would listen to Dave, I would listen to Jordan, you know, I would listen to James, you know, just kind of talk about, you know, what they were doing and how they were preparing for it. And that gave me... It was my anchor throughout that really troubling time because there was no other resource quite like this.

There's other prepping podcasts and different things that are out there but there's no other resource quite like you know what you guys were doing and you know and I you know it gave me it gave me a place to start and then from there you know I started okay I need to you know get my food situation a lot better than what it was because I was prepping but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't anything what I would consider really serious, serious, okay I gotta get everything set up here. So if it wasn't for Dave and James and Jordan you know, I would not have had this journey so I wanna say

a huge thank you to Dave and I'm sure that for thousands and thousands of listeners out there, you know, he's that voice, I'm sure he's the voice that you listen to. You know, I see my show as a gateway, right? My show is one of those gateways where you're flipping around the web or you're looking through a podcast and you find my show and you go, oh, okay, this sounds interesting. And then you hear about this thing called PBN and then you flip over to PBN and then that just opens up a whole broad vista of different voices, different podcasts, different people

that can become your anchors and that's the purpose. It's all about saving lives and I think Dave will agree with that one. All the information that we try to give out, everything that we try to do here, it's all about trying to save lives and give people a chance to cope you know the trying times now now Dave I know that you have a book that's coming on. Yeah, this is Can you tell sure this was James's idea about a week ago, maybe two weeks. He said hey Yes, he was picking my brain about things and he said, hey, we need to get something to the listeners, you know, something quick down dirty, just the facts. And, you know, to get that in their hands.

So he came up with this idea like a mini book or a pamphlet. And it's based off of, you know, a question and then answer. So, I'm afraid of fallout, what should I do? And then I go all over fallout and all these different questions like when could I expect an attack? And I go into that. and to help me do that. So there's going to be an expanded version that's going to be for sale whenever we get this done, hopefully before Prepper Camp. So that's the game plan. That's how it all started. So keep an eye out on PBN. You know, and if you're not a member, I just have to ask why You know

Yeah, I can't wait that is something that as soon as it's available okay printing it off I'm gonna have a PDF of that you know because You know I think that something really like Short you guys have the right idea is short You know it people can kind of probably just find a flip through it and find their issue on the day you know if there is an emergency okay this is my experience and here are the things that I am noticing and these are the things that are happening and here is

how I probably should deal with some of these issues. I think that this is gonna this is gonna be a game changer for a lot of folks. So for all the people out there who are really kind of worried about this I think that this book by Dave is going to be you know something where yeah you going to want to download it. You're going to want to know a lot more about Dave Jones after reading it. Do you guys have a working title for this? No, not really. James has a really cool graphic where he put my picture behind

this glass and it said in case of an NBC emergency break glass it's cool it looks pretty cool but yeah that's yeah I had to bring you in here. This is you're now in the inner sanctum of Prepperville here. I get to see Carl B You know, I I've listened to your show and I I've pictured you in my mind giving the broadcast But I'm getting a behind-the-scenes look and I had to come in here because the puppies were whining. It's about time for their feed Yeah I had to come in here because the puppies were whining it's about time for their feed. Yeah. Ah, okay. Yeah. Sure.

So let's get to it then because we've got a lot of questions. I'm sure the folks are just anxious for us to get into. So Dave, how did we get here? How did we get, in your opinion, right? And I mean, you're a guy, 30 odd years of experience in the military, being all over the world. You've seen it, right? How did we get here?

How do we get a whisk away from World War III? What brought us to this point in time? Well, I think it was the lack of sanctions that you know he the sanctions were off of Russia Russia which allowed them to do whatever they wanted but I I'm pretty sure that Putin's game plan he knows what sanctions they they can put on he knows what sanctions they can put on. He knows what they can do and what they can't do and what they will do. So he weighed the options and he said, you know what, now's the time.

So he's always been wanting to reconstruct the old Soviet Union. In his mind it was a tragedy that the Soviet Union broke up and all the satellite countries got independence. So he always wanted this and I think he's And this weakness in the United States as his opportunity to do it now. Now I notice you said weakness there Dave. Can you elaborate on that? Sure. You know, just our withdrawal from Afghanistan showed how unorganized, unprepared you know ill thought out ill-planned I mean it was a total debacle it's it was heartbreaking the way and I know a lot of vets and of course I was over there for two years I did 22 months in the Middle East and it was heartbreaking to me and I had

never been to Afghanistan it just it was terrible the way we pulled out of Afghanistan and the way everything collapsed and crumbled then and it was it was weakness you know giving up aagram airbase. We were never supposed to give that up. We were supposed to have something like 2,000 troops there in case we ever needed to go back If you remember When the war kicked off and and Turkey said don't fly over our space, you know, we didn't have a viable option He said, don't fly over our airspace. You know, we didn't have a viable option. Geez, now I'm going to tell your listeners some things

that at the time was pretty classified. So I don't know if they are still, I don't think so. We operated out of three air bases in the country of Jordan and until Bagram was constructed and built over the past, you the past almost 20 years. And then to give all that up and all the equipment and everything that was left behind and to just run away. That's the ultimate sign of weakness. And then lifting all the sanctions and also weakness by cutting our oil production, you know, we are so weak and so vulnerable

To just about anything right now, it's it's unbelievable when he keeps using the strategic oil reserve At a time when we're ready to go into World War three. I mean it just doesn't make sense True World War 3? I mean it just doesn't make sense. True. Now you and I and a lot of folks in the prepping community we kind of have a sense of a lot of the stuff that you discussed. What about the folks who are just going about their day to day lives? I mean, you know, how serious should they be taking, you know, everything that's going on in the world right now? Are we overreacting? No.

You know, are we overreacting right now or is this as serious as it really is? Well, yeah, it's as serious as I have ever seen it. And you know, I was in the Cold War and I did nuclear target analysis and during the 80s I was convinced that eventually, you know, we would go to war with Russia and nuclear weapons were going to be used and and we're I Mean closer now than we've ever been. I don't think we're overreacting and I know the people that are listening are experiencing things in their life that

Confirms we're not overreacting the price of food alone is Testament that we are not overreacting the price of food alone is Testament that we are not overreacting Just the overall feeling you know what they did a survey of people and eight out of ten Americans We're afraid of nuclear war and that's that's the highest that's ever been. I mean And that's the highest it's ever been. I mean, back, you know, I've said some of these civil defense things out, you know, back then, people had bomb shelters and were, you know, doing all this stuff for nuclear war. And today, they're more worried about it than they were back then. So it's, yeah, we're definitely not overreacting. Overreacting, huh? All right, well, what do you think will be the top three nuclear target

for the Russians, if this thing was to go off? What will be the top three nuclear target for them? Well, sure. And you know, over the years, strategy changed along with technology. As we were able to get more accurate with our delivery means, the whole strategy changed. Like back in the 50s and 60s, it was take out large metropolitan areas. And you know, similar to what we did in World War two we did, you know carpet bombing and incendiary bombing of industrial hubs and things like that to defeat Nazi Germany in Japan and

Now The it's changed because we've gotten more accurate and we can pinpoint we don't need these big Megaton bombs because we can deliver a pinpoint Attack, you know GPS and all this kind of stuff we have so the top three targets The first thing we want to do is eliminate our retaliatory capabilities. So that's number one. Anything that would have to do with missiles, missile launch, command and control and communications, command control communications, that would be number two. That would be number two. And then number three would be large military bases

that could form a response and retaliate and things like that. And then probably number four now would be large metropolitan cities. So you think that they would still go after the metropolitan cities. So you think that they would still go after the metropolitan cities. It wouldn't just be the military targets? Well, like I said, in a priority, they would be nuclear facilities and any kind of nuclear response. So they want to take that out first. And then command and control for

the country, for the military, you know, all of that, they want to take that out second. And then third would be, you know, Fort Hood is the largest military base in the world. You know, that's, that's a target right there. If you want to take take out I think there's two divisions at Fort Hood and there and all the support people more folk Naval base, you know, that's home to two carrier groups. It's our Atlantic fleet Of course the nuclear sub bases that we have, they would want to take those out. Washington, DC, of course, you know, the Pentagon and DC and all of that. A lot of people think that they have these targets in their backyard, but they're

really, you know, there's a limited number of nuclear weapons and you got to use them wisely. Because they won't all be able to fire. That's one thing. They just won't be in location. Some of them are down for maintenance. So you have to prioritize your targets and in some targets they're going to use more than one weapon they're not just gonna launch one and say well that takes care of that you know like Washington DC they're not gonna use just one weapon on Washington DC they want to make sure that is gone Gone. Yeah. So are there any benefits or advantages to a nuclear exchange? Well, here's the thing. For years, we have decided that nuclear war is unthinkable. It's unwinnable, unthinkable, and there's been this move, you know, with this nuclear winter.

You know, what gets me about the nuclear war, and I'm not saying it won't happen, okay? I'm saying what they describe is highly unlikely. First of all, we don't have the amount of weapons we had back in the 80s when they first proposed this theory. Secondly, when they did their data, they wanted to prove that nuclear weapons would go up into the atmosphere and cause fire out all over the world and plunge us into a nuclear winter. Well, when that data didn't convince them, because as before I said,

there's not going to be a lot of fallout because you want an air burst. You get more bang for your buck if the bomb goes off at a higher altitude okay the blast is bigger all the effects are bigger if you let it go off on the ground all those effects are limited so when they couldn't get enough fallout into the sky because this was a fact then they said well the fires that would start because of this nuclear exchange would cause smoke and and yes there's going to be huge amounts of fire. Heat is the second largest effect in a

nuclear blast and the firestorm that raged on from Hiroshima Nagasaki lasted for seven to ten days and it actually did more destruction than the bomb itself. So the fires are going to be a factor. But then you know you got to look at they're not going to burn forever okay even forest fires you know they get under control themselves a lot of times it's not the people that are fighting it

so it's not going to be the fires there's not as many nuclear weapons as we had back in the eighties they're not going to use all that they have on the United States they're going to save some for France NATO you know England maybe even Pakistan or India they're nuclear capable so they're not going to fire all of them in the United States. So and the advantage of a nuclear war is once you realize it's winnable and it becomes winnable when you can protect your people more than the opponent can protect theirs. If you can yes cause more damage to them then you will receive right then it becomes a calculation

Yeah Really really bad day and and it just so it just sound it to me it just sounds like If they fire yeah, it's gonna fire maybe some of our allies are gonna fire and we're gonna try to retaliate and and Yeah, it's a really bad day. Yeah Let's just hope that this never yeah, and I want to you know, it never I want to tell your listeners about how it Should all go down. So the first thing that will happen is a massive cyber attack on communications day and everything.

They're going to everything that they have their fingers in right now. They're going to launch an attack on, you know, your Uber Eats will not be delivered. Okay? It will just, they're going to mess up everything. Facebook will be down. They want to do this to cause as much chaos and confusion before the attack. Okay? And then after that will be a high altitude air burst to get an EMP effect all across the nation. And it may not be just one, it may be several to make sure that it worked.

EMP is very hit and miss. We don't know, I mean we know this effect works. We don't know how well it will work and and then the nuclear bombs will will be on target so that's the way it all go down most likely at night because everybody that hates us are on the other side of the planet and they're gonna be attacking us with their day shift people. You know, have you ever been on night shift?

So it would be a really bad for us. That's when all of this most likely. I mean, you look at probabilities, you know, and and the most probable nuclear attack still in the United States is a terrorist organization or rogue nation You know with one or two bombs smuggled into the country or brought in and container ships, you know the Tom Clancy novel it's it's that is still the most likely attack because it's it's that is still the most likely attack because knows what's gonna happen if he uses nuclear weapons anywhere

and you know is is NATO is first strike it you know or is the United States and and really all he wants is the yeah, all he wants is the United States not to join the fight Right, I mean You know an EMP over your right takes out Europe pretty much right? you know couple bombs and then and then it's it's a question of couple bombs and then and then it's a question of our resolve at that point right it would be like okay you know do you really want to get into a world war

with us this point you know just let us just get what we want and and call it quits by guns be by guns you know it could be a strategy the more I think about it you know an EMP over Europe takes them out of the game and and now he has he has he has that card in his hand yeah I can play and that's what gets me about all of these people who just seems to want to run into war I mean the guy showed up at at that what it was a funeral with his What is it? Yeah briefcase there, right?

You know, yeah the football right the our version of you know, they're his codes codes right the so I it's just incredible to me that we just seem I don't know how do we get here where we just seem it's I is it because of Hollywood too much internet where people just can't seem to figure out reality like yeah the dude's serious I mean he's sending his folks and you know to all these bunkers you know they know where their bunkers are right and we don't and you know you listen to all our politicians and the message is you know yeah let's squeeze them some more more sanctions this and that you know no chemical weapons use or or else or we're gonna be sending

We're gonna be sending more of our tanks and planes or you know equipment to help the Ukrainians and Now you have Finland and what was it? Yeah Exactly NATO. It's it's insane. It's what other small countries are now applying to NATO. It's insane. It just defies reality. He could just wipe them off the map and they would no longer be a threat if he's really serious.

So that's what gets me about this all the time. One of the questions I had here, in your opinion, would this be kind of a limited strike kind of a thing, or would this be a of a limited strike kind of a thing or would this be a mad event like a mutually assured destruction event or do you think that this would be limited to very specific strikes and I know that you kind of got into this a little bit but what would work in their favor? What do you think would work in their favor? Well, you know, everybody looks at it as once the genie is out of the bottle, where does it stop?

And one thing you definitely don't want is your missiles to stay put. You know, if they're launching missiles, you want your missiles out of their silos and going to. So I think if it starts small, it may not end small. But then you also have to look at, okay, so have you seen Biden's football? Who's carrying Biden's? And who's going to open up that case and tell him the numbers and explain to him what the heck's going on so I think Putin's holding all the cards right here and we're just we're just going along for the ride I mean and and this is not I, this is where it's not being? How do they think about this whole

situation? Well, ours has changed over the years. And whereas we used to say no first strike, we've taken that off the table. So, and since we've gotten away from chemical weapons totally We have only one thing in the quiver one arrow and that is the nuclear one So when they say there will be a response You know, we threaten Saddam that if he used nuclear weapons rude or chemical weapons We were going to nuke and he knew that so I Think that's where we're at right now. The problem is this normalcy bias

People putting their head in the sand saying oh this will never happen. This will never happen Well, you know what they said that he would never go into Ukraine right those same normalcy biased people said oh he knows what will happen he won't do that and here we are so anybody that they need to get a sense of reality and where we are in the world and you need to get, you know, Poland put out a pamphlet to all their people and it says what to do in case of an attack. They're telling their people have at least seven days of food and water in your house. You know, have a bug out bag ready to go. I mean, can you imagine if they did that in the United States? I mean, it would be pandemonium, as James likes to say.

But shouldn't they, just as a public safety thing, shouldn't we have people now coming on on the news and talking to the American public and letting them really understand the gravity of the situation and coming up with some sort of a plan like if this happens okay this is what you can do to safeguard yourself there is nothing out there. That's troubling. That's really troubling. There seems to be this disconnect or this hole

in everything. When you have Poland and then Romania, they were giving out, what is it? Potassium iodide tablets and everything else. So all these countries are kind of like saying, okay, you know, this might be a possibility and this could happen. Because they're kind of reading the writing on the wall because they're all Russia's neighbors, so they could all get attacked. And here we are, where, you know, most Americans, this is not on their

radar at all. I mean, I know that there's the gas prices and the food shortages and the different things going on but this is something that yeah a lot of people are like no this would never happen could never happen. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Well I mean when you think about it a pandemic could never happen you know an economic collapse could never happen. Uh, you know, an economic collapse could never happen. All the stuff that they're saying could never happen is happening right now. I mean, all the indicators to say that a recession is here is, are on the books. You know, how you find out if you're in a recession is you look back three months.

So, so three months from now, we'll know that we're there right now, so All of this stuff that can't happen is happening. So at what point do you say? Geez, maybe I better do something Well, I really hope the listeners listening to this are beginning to understand the gravity of the situation. You know, I was actually going to do a show about are we overreacting? Like you know, are we all nuts? You know, like, you know, and just listening to you explain, you know, how we got here,

their capabilities, you know, the difference in the way they view the nuclear war is winnable while we apparently don't. They seem to have some sort of civil defense system set up and we really don't. Americans are kind of, we're kind of on our own. Yeah, it is a wake up call, I'm sure for a lot of the people listening to this right now. Um, so, I've got a few more questions, right, and um, what can the, what few practical things can the average person do right now to get themselves prepared? You know if

you've never prepped you're listening to this for the first time and you go like oh my goodness what's going on in the world and it was this serious you know what can they do? Oh that's a great question so the first thing you need to do is assess the situation. Assess where you stand in prepping right now so that you have a good idea of what you have on hand and what you don't have on hand. Okay? And once you have that, then you kind of have a to-do list. Okay? And then look for the place in your home that is the most safe.

Okay? And it's different for different people. If it's your basement, you know, the lower back corner of the furthest spot that's underground. That is where you'll get the most protection from fallout, from blast, from heat, you know, everything that could happen. And then if you want to make plans to sure that up better, you know, you might want to make, if you don't have time for a shelter, okay, you might want to prop and make like a lean to right there so that if the house would collapse, it wouldn't crush you.

Okay. So you know, in the lower back portion, I'm kind of in the lower back portion right here. And if you have bookshelves, you want to put the bookshelves up against The wall that's exposed You know and that's just if you Expect something at least you'll have that much thought out Make lists, you know make lots of lists because That was one of my questions because I can imagine I mean

I live in New York City and you know it we used to joke around all the time that we know that this is one of the places that are you know, it's definitely gonna get hit and if you if you live in a Big city like that, that you know, if you live in Washington DC, if you live in New York City, what can those people do? I mean, they're ground zero. Right? So, yeah, I guess and everybody lives in apartment buildings, right? Very few people live in their own detached home in a big city, right? Most people live in apartment buildings, multiple level apartment buildings.

What do you, do you have any advice for the guy or the woman who, they're living in an apartment on the 10th floor you know in in say New York City what they have to know how to shelter in place okay so they have to be able to and this is for an immediate thing whether it's a chemical attack or an actual rocket attack or anything like that know where the center the integrity than than regular apartments so if you can get into the stairwell and not only that that's where emergency response is going to come so even if you can't get down the stairwell they're going to come in that way so they'll be

able to find you for New York City I would have an evacuation plan. I would have a plan to go visit someone else somewhere. And if it looks like things are getting bad and it looks like something may be imminent, pack it up, take off, you know, call in sick for seven, eight days, see how things go. I mean, there's going gonna be some kind of buildup there's gonna be some kind of you know warning I assume so we we have satellites we have you know we listen to every phone call that's made you know there's gonna be some kind of a now whether or not we'll get the information, that's a question.

You know, if they look at this and say, well, it does no good to alert the public, it'll only cause panic. That's a different story, but you'll know what's happening if your Uber Eats don't work and Facebook goes down. Everything's offline and you can't, you know, massive, massive cyber attack

Not not just a pipeline shutting down not just you know Water treatment plant in Florida going offline. It's gonna be massive That's when you know And I and I think that yes the canary Nicole the coal mine, I would think, you know, one of the things that we're doing here to prep is, you know, my whole thing is, if something major goes down like here, I'm pretty rural, you're also pretty rural, so I'm not worried about blast and anything like that, it's all about not having electricity for maybe a couple months and how to survive in really what would then be what a 19th century kind of a

situation. With no electricity, fallout, different things are going to get folks but I think a lot of people are gonna die from that simple fact that their electrical world is is off Communications are off. You know, I can see people dying You know, you know a block over from from like a food depot because they have no comms They they have no way of knowing that help is is that close and that's one of the reasons why my my friend and I you know we both got well he got the ham radio I already had had one you know because we're looking at that and going like yeah that can be a life-and-death situation with you know

not having any communication at all you know you've heard me talk about the whole smokehouse thing because I've got freezer full of food and I know that I'm gonna lose a lot of that. You know you saw the photos where I got half of a cow put away that one time. So we've been stocking, but I know once the freezers go offline, and what, am I going to burn, knowing that we probably won't be able to access gasoline, am I going to burn the 40, 50 gallons worth of gasoline just to keep my refrigerators running for what would then turn out to be a really limited amount of time. So I'm thinking yes let's

try and smoke some of this stuff and try and preserve it in other ways. I'm looking at how the pioneers did it now at this point. How did they keep their food and preserve? How did they do it so they didn't poison themselves? How did they store their food? So that's kind of where I am. And that's kind of because I'm a little bit further along in my prepping journey. It's now evolved beyond, okay, let's just stop the food.

And let's just get the generator and let's just get the generator, let's just get all these things. It's kind of like, okay, what's the next step? Can I produce my own food? And in a nuclear attack, that's gonna be kind of interesting because if there is fallout, different things going on, then what about that new plant? What about your water supply?

So there's a lot of things that what would you know, in terms of water supply, Dave, what would be your advice? What keep it well, basement? Well, you made me think of a couple of different things. And first, your listeners got to start with circles. So the circle is you and your family. That's the smaller circle. And then the bigger circle is your neighbors and your neighborhood. And then the bigger circle outside of that is that guy on the other end of that ham radio. So you start with the small circles and then you work your way out till you get all of those lined up and What was the other thing you you said?

Oh the water yeah, well you have to secure you have to find Secure water So in your area, I mean if you got if you're on city water that's only going to be good for a certain amount of time. And even if it's not radioactive contamination, when those pumps go offline, the bacteria builds up in the pipes. And that's why they always have these boil water advisories and things like that. So you're going to have to find an alternate water source that you can count on at least one because no one can store enough water. I mean, and you can't trust what falls out of the sky either. So if you have a well system, if you I look looking at this way if you have water okay you can filter it you can treat it you can boil

it you can distill it you can make it drinkable but if you don't have water you can't make it so yeah put the catchment out there and do that. You know, and all those people who have animals, I mean, if you have chickens and goats and your livestock and you know, how do you, you know, how do you deal with that? Because they're gonna need water. And they're gonna need water. They got to get watered, you know, every day or every other day while you're dealing with this emergency, right? So it's a real issue. It's gonna be a real problem. Is there a way that you could... Well, if everything is offline, there's no way you could track the fallout, right? I guess you could get online if that was possible. They would probably have some maps where you could see, okay, the fallout is going this way or that way or whatever. But is there a way, is there any way to track

fallout like when, you know, off if... Well, you kind of got to have maps hard copies of maps and I'll tell you the way we did it because this was back before You know when calculators were brand new So we did everything by hand. We drew pictures on maps Know where the targets are the actual bona fide targets, you know, I had a person tell me why I have this Air Force Reserve Base? Okay, they're not gonna target an Air Force Reserve Base with a nuke. Okay. I mean, it's just too low on the,

on the, you know, the things that they wanna take out. So, and they're not gonna target nuclear power plants. They're gonna let them just go offline and melt down on their own Okay, why would you waste the nuke? Yeah, that is That that that is a question that a buddy of mine wanted me to ask you You know How much of a possibility right or threat you know is a nuclear power plant because there's some people the town of Oswego up you know up here up

state New York close by they have a nuclear power plant there should those Should those people be worried? If there's anybody there, listen to it. They should be worried that things go offline and nuclear meltdown occurs. Sorry Dave, we just missed that a little bit. Can you repeat yet but that's just finish up what you're saying real quick uh... that nuclear power plant is more vulnerable if it goes offline and they don't have the safety measures

if they can't shut it down from generation That's when there's a problem. So if you're downwind of a nuclear power plant, yeah, you need to be concerned But they're not gonna shoot a nuke Okay at something that will melt down anyways Is there a radius around say a nuclear power plant that you should be concerned about? Yes. Yes, everybody that, and you have to get it from your state emergency operations people. They have minimum safe distances and I think it's five mile radius, 10 mile radius and the reason they

do radius is because they don't know which way the wind's blowing whenever this will happen so they just draw a circle around it. So if the wind is blowing, okay, normal, normal, those people are going to get it and the people upwind, I mean if you look at the the radiation patterns for Chernobyl Okay, and in Chernobyl Was way bigger reactor than we have in the United States, so that was a massive Meltdown that that we don't have anything that big in the United States But they can get an idea meltdown that that we don't have anything that big in the United States

And we got a lot of part we got a but they can get an idea and still spread out across the United States. So Yes, yes problem for a lot of people actually Yeah, another question Pennsylvania had number two they were number two only to the state of Illinois so Illinois adds more than Pennsylvania yeah they're all over the place Wow and I you know I live a few yeah I could get to Pennsylvania in about 20 minutes from where I live you know because the border kind of slopes up to here. So okay. Yeah, but the prevailing winds wouldn't bring it up your way. No, I really hope not. Now one other question.

Yeah. They wanted me to ask you was the potassium iodide pills. Okay. Yes. Yes. Should we have that as part of the prep? Should we not? You know, how effective it is?

And is there a dosage or how is that supposed to work? Yes, there is. All of that is everybody got to do their own research on this potassium iodide because it has a very limited application. It will protect your thyroid from radioactive iodine. So it is released in a nuclear exchange, but not in the quantities, not in large quantities, and it doesn't travel very far from ground zero. So you're more vulnerable to it in a nuclear power plant meltdown. Now they don't recommend potassium iodide for anybody over 40 because it's designed

to stop you from getting cancer 20 years from now. Okay, so it has a very limited use. And then when do you start taking them? When do you stop taking them? And younger people get a smaller dose than older people. You know, their thyroid's are still developing So you got to you got to figure out what those for your your child may be My best advice is don't be there Don't get Don't be whether far out is don't be there. Don't get don't be where the fallout is. Don't be where the contamination is.

You know, if you want it in your preps, it used to be a cheap, inexpensive prep. Now the price has gone way up on them. They just have a very limited use. Okay. And if you. If you're not downwind of a nuclear power plant, I would say you wouldn't need it at all. Okay. So just two more questions, right? So walk us through what you would be doing during the first 8 hours after an attack. What would be some of the things that, okay, I gotta get this done, this done, this has gotta get done.

Yeah. Well, first of all, the very first thing you gotta do is get a grip on yourself. I mean it's gonna be a Flood of emotions like you've never had before it's it's gonna be Something that you're gonna have to come to terms with in your own mind before you do anything and Until you get that calm I Would say don't do anything because you don't want to do the wrong thing, you know Run to your Faraday cage and bust out your

Equipment and all that kind of stuff and then they may launch another bomb and now all your stuff is fried You know So you want to you want to assess the situation? That's the first thing you want to do and you want to do that in any kind of an attack You want to assess where you are know that yesterday was the last day you had to prep Okay, so Secure the basics water food shelter Security, okay do all this before you even establish communications.

This is assuming that your family is all there, okay? If your family's not there, you should have plans. You should have plans what to do, where to go, if the attack happens when you're not home. You know, we have we have here in the Jones house a standing thing we're all going to come home or for a way we're all going to meet at home. If they're not at home there's a closet that's designated inside the closet door is where they're going to write where they're going. Okay so if they have to

leave home for any reason that's the message board and yeah yeah so that's basically you know the first eight hours how to up get your act together understand another thing understand that the zombie hordes aren't coming over the horizon okay everybody's gonna be doing the same thing you are figuring out what the heck just happened there's gonna be chaos confusion and in that time you have time to a get home or be get get your act together. I think that this is a good spot to end it, Dave. You know, hopefully this will help some folks. And you know, for the most part, yeah, it is survival.

I think it does come down to how well prepared I guess you are for it, if it does occur. You know, your odds are better if you're most likely in a rural living situation versus a more urban situation of course. But it is survivable and it really does come down a lot to you you know, I guess planning and making sure that, yeah, if you are in a highly populated area, then you can get out, make sure that you have some plan to leave if that's the case. You know, if you've got a walk out, you know, you have a bag that you can just take with

you and if you have a family, because I'm guessing everything is gonna be rubble if Something like if a bomb goes off over your city Then there's a chance that you might not be able to drive out or or bike out probably your best bet is to try and walk out and And you have a pre-planned destination in mind as Dave was saying You know, it's it's hey and I'd like to-planned destination in mind as Dave was saying. You know, it's... Hey, and I'd like to put a quick plug in here.

For those people that are in the city and they don't have a plan, look into Fortitude Ranch. FortitudeRanch.com. It's my plan B. You know, everybody's got to have a plan B. So if we can't be here, which we got it pretty good, you know I tell people I live in my bug out location. If we can't be here, that's where we're going. So look into fortituderanch.com. Well folks, yeah you heard Dave right, right? And as I say, if any of this made you uncomfortable, that was not what we're striving for here. We're just trying to give you information that you can use to factor into your own plans. A nuclear attack is definitely survivable.

You just have to make sure that you have your plans in place and let your whole family in on it and let them understand, you know, like, okay, if there's an emergency, then this is what's supposed to be happening. And if you're in different places, if something like this occurs, you know, how you're going to get home, just have those plans in place You know keep checking into PBN because you know there we're gonna be giving you a lot more Shows like this and advice like this until the you know the crisis passes, okay And you know and if you found if you heard something today that you think someone can use

Then I would advise You to um pass, you know pass this podcast around pass pbn around tell people about Pepper burkasing.com You know if you if you want to become a member, uh, you know, feel free to to do so go on over to pbn It helps us to keep you know keep putting out shows like this. It helps to keep the lights on, to pay the bills. This is all just about saving lives. So I really wanna thank Dave for being such a sport

about everything. Yeah. And, you know, keep listening to PBN. I believe what we have, The Last American coming up tomorrow when you hear this. If this is aired on Friday, you'll be hearing The Last American. And on Sunday, we have Sarah Hathaway with the Changing Earth podcast, which is going to be great. You know, if you want to listen and get information about you know what's going on with the earth and you know how everything Works with the climate and everything else great show to listen and on Sunday We're gonna have reliance with Stephen Menking so

Take care all the great shows this week on PBN. You know once again. Thank you Dave and And until next time good night folks So Thank you.