The Prepper Broadcasting Network - TIPS FOR SOLO TRAVEL From a Female Persepective
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Tim. Today is November the 19th, 2023, and this is episode 399 of Workshop Radio, which
means we're almost to a really cool benchmark Thursday. It actually
worked out really cool that it's going to be a Thursday episode, but we'll talk about that
in a minute. I've got a friend, a subject matter expert. Her name is Val and Zena will be with her
in the background anyway, but she, she's coming on in a minute to speak about traveling solo as a female and tips. This came from a
conversation we had over dinner after Self Reliance Festival. And I thought, hey, we got to get Val on.
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things, but you can check it out because more than that, I've got somebody special waiting in the background here. Hang on just one minute.
Hey Val, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Not bad at all. We got a big crowd in here already.
I guess people wanted to come and see you and hear what you had to say. How you been?
I've been good. Enjoying this, I say strangely strangely warm weather but it really isn't strangely warm
for Alabama but it was almost 70 today you know what it wasn't that far off here either it's been
I mean probably closer to 60 but for us it should be minus 20 celsius so hey we'll take whatever we
can get now yeah it's I enjoy it it's beautiful I greatly appreciate the warm weather but I feel
for our hunters because hunting season just started yesterday and this isn't really the best kind of weather
to be hunting in. It isn't here either. I mean, there's no tracks, there's no snow.
It's way too warm to be processing animals. The timeline is so crunched that I feel for them.
So you were on, this is your second appearance.
I think it's been almost a year since you were on last time.
I should have looked at the date, but yeah, it would have been, yeah,
just post self-reliance festival last year, I think,
or somewhere in there.
I think that sounds right.
Everybody who said, oh, I remember,
she's the rattlesnake girl or the trench foot lady.
Oh, I really do need to get a small rattlesnake button not a small I really need to get big rattlesnake button to add to my pack
because I like I it needs to be a part of my pack well I've told that story I I don't know how many
times and I said it's not my story to tell but Val shared shared it on my show. And so I will tell them about, you know,
one foot in front of the other and never give up on a bad day. Those two things. Oh, anyway. So
tell us your story a little Val. How did you get into, where did you come from? You know, that kind
of thing. So I'm from Alabama. I grew up here in Alabama. I've spent most of my life here other
than the last 15 years after joining the military. I've done a of my life here other than the last 15-ish years after joining the
military. I've done a lot of traveling all over the world and all over the U.S. because of the
military. But so that kind of, that's, I spent most of my life here in, we grew up on a farm,
a small farm and in the woods, just kind of doing that thing, which was awesome. It was the best way to grow up.
And you, so what, three, right before COVID, I think, or somewhere in there,
you decided to take a short little walk, did you?
So right during COVID is when I decided to take a short little walk. It was,
man, it was the best time because the trail was so not as crowded as especially it is now. I feel like there was that break and then everybody had this drive to go outdoors, which I think is awesome because the more people that get
outside and want to be outside will help like put money and time and effort into saving our outside.
So I am all for it. But there's a lot of people that get on trail now. And we think like,
I didn't have to worry about food supply. I didn't have to worry about when I got in town,
if I had a place to sleep, it was awesome. So it was perfect timing, but yeah, it was
a nice short walk during COVID. So I'm, I missed the five peak months of COVID. I was in the woods.
You didn't even worry about it. No, no, not at all.
I was thinking about you a little bit.
I've been listening to this book series, Locker Nine, and it's kind of post-apocalyptic.
And the world kind of collapses, and it takes place in a town that is on the trail.
So all these hikers are working their way through, expecting to get resupplied.
And they're all just kind of anyway they create a
little army of their own so oh that's kind of cool yeah i'll send you the name or i'll send you the
link after but it made me think of you for sure so how did you decide that you wanted because
i brought you on tonight to kind of talk about solo traveling and especially as a female, because I heard to say, but I, uh, I definitely don't have a whole lot of experience traveling solo
as a female. So I thought I would bring you on, but how did you, how did you find out you kind
of had an interest in traveling all by yourself? So I don't know if I would say that I really have
an interest in traveling by myself. It just kind of happens since that's just the way it always ended up working out.
I don't I love traveling, period.
So my first like growing up, I was involved in Scout.
So my dad was a Scout leader.
My mom's a Scout leader.
So we were always traveling with them, rafting, camping, backpacking all over the southeast.
And so that kind of got me into that going and seeing things bug and then in
high school my stepbrother invited me we had really didn't know each other super super well
and so this was kind of a good trip for us to get to know each other and so we drove from Alabama
to Colorado and so that was my first like long driving trip. And it was a lot. It was awesome.
But like I had to like learning because his like the rule was when we saw it for gas, it's when you
use the bathroom. And so like I remember being like, holy crap, my teeth are floating. We got to
stop. And and I'm in high school. So I'm like probably some bratty teenager knowing most high
schoolers. I mean, I probably wasn't not the typical high schooler and I was probably like can we please stop please
please please and it but that trip taught me to manage that and like learn how to manage those
things and understanding like you're on a timeline there's a time crunch you can't just lollygag
around um and that was awesome like and I got to see snow for the first time because we really never had
like we had a blizzard in 93 I don't really remember it because I was pretty little and so
I got to experience like the western snow I remember coming up and like going over a pass
that was a white ground that we were driving on which I was like what is happening is this safe
to drive on I don't think we can do this. This is not like we should be doing this. Cause I just didn't know. And that was just a great
introduction to doing long distance driving, that it's a doable thing with two people. Cause he did
most of the driving. Like I really only drove a couple of hours so he could take a nap. I did
mostly riding. And I mean, it was just awesome. So it was a great introduction to that. And we did
that for, I feel like two or three years, every winter, we would do the road trip out West. And it was awesome. Because I got to know my brother, I got to like, we got to connect on like this super awesome level, I got to experience the outdoors, I learned how to snowboard. I'm not good at snowboarding, though. Because I probably I probably should never leave the bunny slopes. But that's okay. I got
to do it. I got the experience. So that was awesome. And so that kind of that was my introduction
into long traveling. And then of course, being in the military, like, I was all over the world
traveling. And usually in the military, I had somebody that would go and do stuff with me,
because we would usually have the same off days. And so I got to go and do a lot of really cool stuff, but it didn't always work out that way. And so I had to kind
of get used to it. Like I still wanted to go do stuff and I would ask people, Hey, you want to
go do this? And people weren't interested. And I wasn't going to not go do it because I was by
myself. And so I just learned to go do my thing. So I want to get in. I, you sent me a bunch of questions, which was so helpful.
I love it. But I wanted to ask you on the, on the trail, how much of that time did you spend
solo and how much did you kind of pick up? I learned a word from you last time, Trammell-y,
right? Yeah. So I, oddly enough, went out there thinking I was going to be hiking and spending
a lot of time by myself. I figured I would run into people at camp, but I really had no intentions of purposely
like finding a tramway. But I, so there was never a night that I spent on trail without someone in
camp with me. So I was never solo in camp and that just kind of worked happenstance. It wasn't really
planned. I didn't like purposely not have a night by myself. It just always worked happenstance. It wasn't really planned. I didn't like purposely not
have a night by myself. It just always worked out that way. But the majority of my hiking,
I was by myself. Like we all, cause most of the people in my tramway, we walked at very different
paces. Um, and then early on, I had a lot of minor injuries that I was trying to manage to not come
off trail. And so I would take a lot of breaks.
It would take me a lot of hours to walk,
not a lot of miles because I was so slow.
My pace was so slow.
My muscles weren't built up.
And so I just spent a lot of time by myself.
So I hiked a lot alone.
And I hiked a lot with my trampoline
with other people and talking,
but I never camped alone, which is,
I mean, I kind of enjoy camping alone. Like I do it now a lot with my, my trampoline with other people and talking, but I never camped alone, which is, I mean, I kind of enjoy camping alone. Like I do it now a lot. And I, I would love to go out and do a more remote trail so that I could have a little bit more solitude in the camping
aspect of it. Well, we were, it was kind of just happenstance. Becky and I decided after
self-reliance festival that we were going to go out for dinner. And we sit down and then you showed up and at least a couple other folks,
which was great. I loved having, it was like we got to extend Self Reliance for like another hour
or two. You were telling me how you like to stay at Love's truck stops and that sort of thing. And
I got picking your brain because that's what I do. And I'm thinking, well, how does a lady stay safe? How does anybody stay safe really at a truck stop?
But especially, you know, those are the female persuasion. So where do you start? How do you,
how do you keep yourself safe when you're doing this? So depending on where I'm traveling,
it's kind of what really plans out how I do it. So a lot of the traveling I've done lately, cause I haven't been overseas
since 2013, 14 is when I came back from when I was stationed overseas. So I really haven't done
a lot of overseas traveling since then. So most of my, the most of the stuff I do now is here in
the States because overseas is so different. Um, like your personal protection is very different.
Their laws are very different. Um, and it's just a just a different thing. So like when I was in Italy, one of the,
not necessarily a safety thing, I guess it kind of could be a safety thing. I never went anywhere
with a purse that didn't have a zipper. So to get in a main compartment of my purse, you had to
unzip it so that I can feel a pickpocket unzipping my purse more than the flaps. Because one of my friends, we were at the Metro in Rome and the,
the gypsies are great. Like the pickpockets are so good there.
And she was borrowing one of my purses and they've reached in the purse
because they bump on one side and the other one comes in under slips in,
grabs it and runs off the train or no on the train.
So we were coming off the train.
And so the door shut and you can't catch them. I was like this is why I don't I have a zipper because I would feel them pulling on that zipper
on me versus like just reaching in the flap and so if I'm overseas traveling I don't ever have
any of my personal items and anything that doesn't have a zipper if it's a backpack I put one of
those little btsa locks on it and I lock it so they can't if they try to unzip it it's gonna
un like it's gonna just keep zipping it back and forth or I'll lock it down into something so that I'll
feel somebody like jerking on my backpack, trying to mess with stuff. So what was that thing that
you said? So it zips, it continuously zips your. So like a lot of backpacks have two zippers. So
if you lock the two zippers together, it'll just keep moving the zippers back and forth.
And a lot of times they'll have like a tab on some backpacks have a tab where you can actually
lock it into the tab. Those are great. But yeah, if you have two zippers, like locking the zippers
together, that makes sense. That would really piss the pickpockets off, wouldn't it? Oh yeah.
Cause you normally, if you're paying attention and you're not completely oblivious with your,
you know, your head and your phone or whatever, not paying attention, like you're going to feel them pulling
on the bag. You should feel them pulling on the bag and that should be, Oh, what the heck's going
on? And then you can catch them usually, or they'll kind of scurry off and stop trying.
But so here in the States, um, so like this last trip that I took to Montana,
before when I was doing my planning, I went and looked up the U S code that talks about interstate travel with
personal firearms.
So I looked up all the laws to make sure I knew the States I was going to be
driving through.
What were the laws that said what I could and couldn't have and how it needed
to be placed in my vehicle.
And what I looked reminded myself because I have a concealed carry permit.
So which States recognize a concealed carry permit so which states recognize
my concealed carry permit so then I don't have to worry about locking my firearm into my glove box
or whatever so having that knowledge readily available and I usually do I'll do screenshots
on my phone so that if I'm changing states I'm going to and reviewing it so it's in my head
hey this is a state that is a constitutional carry state.
So if I get pulled over by a police officer,
I know the laws for that state. And I also try to look up the,
so there's certain laws of certain States that you're supposed to notify law
enforcement. If you're pulled over that you have a firearm. And so I,
I always, that stuff, especially with firearms,
I always try to have the most current information cognizant in
my brain. Cause I don't normally it's, I spent a long time since I've been pulled over by the
police, but you never know things can happen. Tell lights go out. Like you just never know.
And so I try to be as well informed as I can to know what I have a right to have and what I don't
and kind of working around those things.
But so that's a big thing is having a firearm with me.
Having Xena is one of the other best things because she's a great alert.
And most there's,
it is amazing to me the amount of people in our country that are so terrified of dogs.
And thankfully they don't know how much of a not terror she really is yet.
Cause I haven't quite figured out how to
switch that on and we're going to work on that um but she like just having her with me has been an
amazing deterrent for people so like when I get to a love's truck stop so one of my reasons that I
do now is um I usually try not to stop at truck stops unless it's I'm doing a really so I have
like 18 hours or 20 hours that I'm driving and I don't like I'm just really chitting road. I'm like just pavement getting through and
I'm literally pulling into a stop to sleep to probably get some food and then get up in the
morning, fix my coffee and get back on the road. So I'm not really looking for a campsite, so to
say, or I'm not trying to if I'm on a time time crunch and this is just kind of how it works out. So then I'll, I'll pick up, if I pick a love truck stop, there's a couple of apps that I use
that have the stops in them and they have reviews. So I'll go in and like, okay, this is, so in about
five hours, I know my body, I'm probably going to be getting tired. So this is the area that I'm
looking for a good place to park. And there's places that are for like overlander vehicles, there's for 18
wheelers or for RVs, because there's different places you can stop. It doesn't always have to
be a truck stop. But I find something or I find a couple of things that are in that mileage range
that I know that I'm probably going to be getting tired and it's not going to be safe for me to
continue traveling. So I'll go ahead and I'll like plan out. I'll look at the reviews on the apps to see what did the review say? Did they say that it's a safe
place? Is anybody any issues? Are there people that wander around the parking lot? When is the
last time a review was done on it? And then I'll go and I'll usually have a handful of places and
I'll like, I'll show up and look for red flags. Cause there's, to me, there's red flags on like,
what's not a safe place for anybody to stay like a trucker maybe because they can leave their car running like they can lock up and
I feel like a lot of them just really may not be as cognizant of stuff like that because they're
always on the road they're always doing the same so I'll pull into like there's a couple of truck
stops I've pulled in and I'm like there's some sketchy looking vehicles parked in the parking
lot this looks like a place that people come and meet up and probably are not doing the most
legal things.
This is probably not a good spot for me.
And if I ever pull into a parking lot and I get that feeling, like I trust my gut more
than anything.
And I've learned that over time of not trusting it and being in a really terrible situation.
And so I try to like go in, I look to see the vehicles that are there, how lit is the parking lot, how clean is the parking lot, because that tells you whether the attendants are actually coming out and the people that work there are actually coming out into the parking lot and paying attention.
And then I just like I'll sit there. If I'm not super exhausted, like I'll park and just kind of decompress for a little bit and watch the people that are coming and going.
decompress for a little bit and watch the people that are coming and going.
I'll watch the 18 wheelers to kind of see how they're moving about.
Is there a lot of movement, which means a lot of noises, which could keep me from sleeping. And so I would, a lot of times,
if there's a lot of noise, I'll go somewhere else because I mean,
I can sleep through some noise, but if you're on the road,
you really need to get the best rest that you can get.
So then if I find a place that I really like, and it seems, okay, this looks like a pretty
safe place. I'll find a good parking spot. I try not to park directly under a light just because
for sleeping, like I just don't, I don't wear a mask because I want to be able to open my,
I don't wear earplugs and I don't wear a mask because I want to be able to open my eyes and
hear and see what's going on around me at all times that I'm there. So I don't want to put
myself in a place where I'm like, my eyes are all messed up because there's this really bright light
right over, over the top of me. So I usually get in the light. Like I won't go find a dark area
because that's not smart either. So I'll get like a mid, if I can find a good parking spot,
that's a mid lit area. I really kind of actually is maybe this isn't the smartest thing. I like parking back by
the 18 wheelers because there's usually not a lot of the riffraff that are coming and going all the
time, like the small cars back in that area. Of course, you've got like lot lizards and all those
people that are always out there, but they're not, those are people that are really not going to
bother me. It's the people that are coming, the, the smaller cars.
I feel like I worry about more. And so I'll find my parking spot.
I'll park. If I have my, if I have my trailer,
I'm definitely trying to find back by the 18 wheelers.
And then I get out and I kind of make a scene.
Like I make it known that I have Xena.
So I get out and I'm talking really loud and I try not to be disturbing.
Of course, like if it's really late and I know there's truckers that are probably sleeping,
like I'm not going to be that jerk that's going to come and make a bunch of noise.
But I try to make like people know well known that I have a dog and I'm walking around with
her and depending on what state I'm in, I may be open carrying so that that's obvious
that I have a weapon on me.
I'm always looking around.
I always have my keys on me physically on me and my cell phone weapon on me. I'm always looking around. I always have my keys on me, physically on me, and my cell phone physically on me.
And then my wallet is normally hidden around.
So if somebody walks up and wants to try to like, because it happens all the time, people
jump in people's vehicles and steal them from gas stations.
So I try, I mean, the military term that we always use was not being a soft target.
And so I'm always thinking about don't be a soft target, be a hard target, like don't be something that's easy for someone to walk up and
approach me. And I probably have like this really terrible RBF all the time, because people just
don't approach me. And I think it's worked. And I think that it does work because I carry myself in
a way that people I'm not approachable. And I've been told that most of my life, I've been told that by many of my very dear friends,
that you're really not an approachable person. And like when I was younger, it kind of hurt my
feelings, but I feel like as I've gotten older, I'm okay with that because that means that I'm
not going to have some random riffraff just approach me when I'm out and about traveling.
They're really good at pegging the people who are
going to hit you up for money or worse than that. They'll see you. I watch them in the parking lot
sometimes and they'll, they'll watch and they'll be coming over and they'll head a different
direction, you know, and they, they just look, you're right. Absolutely. I like that. And I like,
so I put a couple, I mean, I have people approach me because people, some people just approach
people all the time at gas stations. And like, so if somebody is approaching me,
I'm fully aware, like facing them, I'm making eye contact with them. And I'm like, Hey, what's going
on? So that I can see them and they see me seeing them. And then I'm looking around you because
another thing that people do is you have the person coming towards you. That's the distraction.
And then they're going to, you had, they have a friend that's going to gonna come from behind you and so i'll make contact with them and then i'm usually like
all right what's going on and and then i'm like before they even get too close to me like no man
i can't help you i'm sorry you need to go on somewhere else and i'm like very stern very
straightforward and have a great day and i'm you know i'm gonna be nice i'm southern i'm gonna you
know maybe tell them bless their heart if they really want to keep pushing it.
But I try to make,
be very stern and purposeful about the way that I speak to people.
And that helps a lot too.
I like that.
And like, I'm just always, I don't want to say that I'm paranoid,
but I'm my head is on a swivel at all times.
And that probably does come from some of my military training.
Like I'm always looking about,
I'm always watching what's going on around me.
I try to be cognizant of the people that are around me.
How many people are around me?
If there's somebody behind me,
like I want to know there's somebody behind me.
And then like Xena's window,
I usually keep her window cracked because she'll stick her head out the
window and she's a pretty good deterrent.
Like she was like,
Oh,
hi,
what's going,
she's probably doing the come pet me,
look at them. And they think that she's the, I'm going to come eat you, which I'm totally goodrent. Like she was like, Oh, hi, what's going? She's probably doing the come pet me, look at them.
And they think that she's the, I'm going to come eat you,
which I'm totally good with. Like they can believe that.
That's cool. Yeah. I, yeah. A dog definitely would be a deterrent too. Hey.
Yes. She is a great deterrent.
Even though she has a sweet little heart, you know?
I know she does.
That's why like she definitely is looking at people wanting to know.
Although I feel like there are certain people like she'll growl and bark at people at gas stations i
think she's a good judge of character and she for the most part she doesn't but there's been a
handful of times that she's like low growling and that's a good alert for me where i'm like all right
what why is she growling and that will like if i'm asleep i'm up and i sleep with my weapon like
right there where I, and I
put it in the same spot. Every time I keys myself on and my gun goes in the same spot every time
when I'm sleeping in my car. So I have a muscle memory. Like if somebody catches me off guard,
I know exactly when I open my eyes, where my hand goes to pick it up every time.
Do you leave it out in the, like, uh, in plain view or do you you'd conceal it slightly when you go to bed
um so it's a little concealed but i have so i use um blackout curtains on the windows so people
can't see in my vehicle like so somebody walks up they're not going to see that i'm sleeping in it
because there's nobody's darn business what is going on in my vehicle and so i don't need somebody
walking up and seeing that there's a female by herself, even with the dog sleeping, like it's not their business. So I keep like
a sunshade on the front and then I use binder clips and they slide right in the seal of the
top of my 4Runner. So then I can easily put those in and it gives me a nice little privacy curtain.
It blocks out light and I can pop those down and roll it up and put it in a
small bag. And it's, that's been awesome since I figured that out. Cause I had using, I think before
I don't remember what I was using before, but it was a pain like fighting it to go up and stay up
and to block it out. Cause they're blackout curtains. So it blocks out most of the light.
Like I can easily like lift it up and look out and I keep the windows cracked
just so we can get airflow.
Cause Xena likes a pant and makes me really hot when we're sleeping in there.
But yes, I keep it. So the gun is concealed ish,
but I put it in the same spot every time because my, I need my,
I am always about muscle memory and remembering something because usually when
something happens, you're going to, you want, you don want you don't have to think you just want to do it.
So that was something I did early on was figuring out, OK, this is where these things are going to be.
And I would look at it and I would study it like this is where it's at.
And I've done practicing of like I'm laying there asleep and I'm reaching for it so that I'm reminding my brain when I reach this way, that's where my keys are.
When I reach this way, that's where my phone is. And then this is where my gun is. I like that. Ah, see, I'm going to take a bunch of these
because you know, I travel a ton by myself as well. So, which, you know, it is what it is,
but there's lots of good tips there. Well, that's a consistency. And consistency is like the biggest
thing because of the muscle memory. Like your, your brain, when you go into, you're not thinking
you're kind of lizard brain kicks in. You want your muscle memory to kick in at the same time. I like that. So how about, um, unexpected situations? What do
you do for prepping gear and that kind of stuff on the road? What do you get your vehicle kitted
out with? So I have a, um, halo jumper cable that I always keep with me and it's got a light. It's
got the jumper cables and it's a charger. And then it has a wall charger that I can wall charge it if I need to, or a car charger. So
I keep all of the stuff that comes with that. That's always in my car and I keep it always
charged. So if I ever have to use it to jump my car, jump someone else's car, if I need the light,
as soon as I use it, I recharge it and make sure that it's fully charged all the time.
And this summer I actually went to use it and I
haven't used it in so long that I forgot and I thought it was broke. And so something that I want
to stay consistent with is actually practicing using the jumpers so that if it's dark and I just
need to jump off and get out or just get moving and not, it's just not smart to really be broke
down anywhere for long periods if you can avoid it. And like, I thought it was broke and I'm like,
well, crap, I'm going to have to order another one. No, I just forgot how to use it. So that, and that was a reminder,
like, this is something that I need to remember to like, it's good to always go through and
practice using the things that you have in your vehicle and making sure they're not wearing out,
that they do still work because heaven forbid, you're on the side of the road and you go to get
it and you haven't tested it in a year and it doesn't work. So, and that's just
kind of, I mean, that's like, that's a prepper thing using the things you're that you, you have
and knowing how to use them. Um, I always have at least two external chargers. So like the anchor
chargers I have, usually I have at least two of those that stay with me. And then I have one
that's a smaller charger that I keep in the vehicle. So I normally have about three chargers in the vehicle. I have all the cords that I need for all of my stuff. So I
have a rechargeable headlamp. Headlamp always stays with me. Because when you like trying to
use your phone light, and you're like, you're trying to like do all this stuff with your phone,
your hands are not free. And so I always keep a headlamp in mind so that if I've got to get out
and do anything working on the car, checking things on the car, like I want my hands free.
Or heaven forbid, I need to pull my weapon and I need a spotlight.
Like I need my hands working.
And so I always keep a headlamp.
I like the rechargeable ones just because they're rechargeable.
I don't have to deal with my batteries just stop working.
And I usually check that.
I use it all the time.
So I know that it's always working. And then I keep it recharged. Always keep cash, because you never know if like electricity goes down,
you show up somewhere and they don't have power, or they just don't take cards. Like if you're way
out in the middle of nowhere, they don't always have cars, because they don't want to pay the
fees and I get it. So I always keep cash on me. I keep cash in my wallet. And then I keep cash
hidden in the vehicle so that I've always got cash because I. I keep cash in my wallet and then I keep cash hidden in the vehicle so that I've always
got cash because I'll spend what's in my wallet and I forget.
And then I'm like, well, crap, I don't have any cash.
So I always keep some hidden in my vehicle somewhere.
Always keep a pen and paper because you never know, like your phone could go dead or you
don't really want to, I don't, you're in an interaction with somebody and you don't want
your phone out because you don't want them to be able to come and take it.
Or I mean, for whatever reason, you just want pen and paper. You want to write something down you don't want them to be able to come and take it or I mean for whatever reason you want pen and paper you want to write something down
and make it a note and hand it to somebody so always keep pen and paper with me and then I
have my get home bag which is full of all kinds of crazy stuff that I really need to um organize
better I know it's not organized the best way like I've got a tourniquet in it and I've got
emergency stuff a lot of the stuff that I have in that really and truly I've, the way that my process was, if I'm on the road anywhere,
traveling, not traveling, I'm just driving and I come up on an accident and it's a bad accident.
I want, if nothing else, I have the supplies that I can either figure out how to use if it's
something that I've never used before. Like I've never had to use a tourniquet. And I think, I hope
that if something happens and it's emergency, I'm going to remember some of's something that I've never used before. Like I've never had to use a tourniquet. And I think, I hope that if something happens and it's emergency, I'm going to remember some
of the training that I've done, but I haven't done it enough that I'm, I'm confident in my
muscle memory to act in that moment, but I have the tool and that's half the battle.
And so I have a lot of that stuff in that bag. Um, that if I, cause I feel like that's more
likely what's going to happen is I'm going to come up on an accident or I'm going to be somewhere and somebody gets hurt and we need like an extensive first aid
medical kit. So I have a pretty extensive first aid medical kit that I keep with me
for really emergencies. Cause like the grid down scenario, I need to get home. It's going to,
I just don't, I'm, I try not to think that that's going to be why I use that bag,
but I have it. Like I've got sutures in it. I that bag but I have it like I've got sutures in it I've got staples in it I've got splints in it like it's a pretty extensive kit
it's just not set up the best way that I would really like to have it set up for like if I showed
up on a like if I saw a really bad accident and I needed to get my stuff out and get access to all
of my things it's not set up that way and I that to all of my things, it's not set up that
way. And I, that's one of the things on my list is to do that, but I have it. So I have that and
it's in a backpack and it's in a gray man backpack. So like if, if something happens and I'm
broke down and that's how I'm getting, I'm traversing, like people are not going to know
other than the really big hatchet that is like tied to the outside of it, that it probably is
more than just a simple backpack. And that's kind of on purpose so that people don't if they
look in my car they don't see like this really cool tactical looking bag where they want to
break in my car to steal my bag like it just looks like some cheap backpack and that's like
my vehicle all the time that never leaves my vehicle if i if i'm out traveling and i'm changing vehicles that
normally goes in the vehicle that i'm in because you just i don't it's part of the being somewhat
prepared that i try to be in my life like i want because i don't have my all my backpacking gear
with me all the time and that has gear enough that i know how to use that i could get to safety if I needed to. How much, do you know how much it weighs?
Just curious.
Oh, so if I don't have the hatchet,
which is really heavy,
it's probably 25, 30 pounds.
Okay.
It's pretty solid.
Like, and it's, it's a small-ish compact
and everything's like shoved in there,
which is why I'm like,
I need to get a better bag or a better way to organize that bag so that I can pull stuff
out.
I feel like Chuck Peoples would be very disappointed if he saw that.
He'd be like, you have some of the really good gear, but you're not really ready to
deploy this very well.
I was thinking in Chuck's voice as well when you were telling me that.
And I feel like that's a conversation that I want.
I need to have with him at the next SRS.
Like take my pack over there and be like,
Chuck, help me please.
Like, help me set this up.
Like I have a lot of the stuff
and I need to go through his class
so that I can get another reiterance of this information.
Cause I've done like the wilderness first day
through the Boy Scouts, which was a great class.
It was really cool.
I learned a lot, but a lot of that stuff,
like you need to use it.
You need to practice it so that you get that muscle memory. And I just haven't, but I do,
I always have that kit with me so that, and I have this really awesome, I have the Doc Jones,
Doc Bones book that he has. That book is in that bag. That's probably the heaviest thing in that
bag is I have that manual so that like if something happens
I'm gonna find out if it's not like a life-threatening emergency. We're gonna figure out how to do this
Well, that thing must weigh two or three pounds itself. Oh, yeah, it takes up a lot of space in that pack
But I have it it's there
What about uh specific challenges or fears I guess I know, again, I try to come at it from,
I can only come at it from the male perspective, but what about, you know,
fears or challenges that you've had to overcome? So just being scared of doing something that
you've never done before. I mean, that's probably not necessarily just like a female thing, but I,
like, I acknowledge that there are challenges being a female that a lot of guys
for the most part don't have to mentally overcome um but i think that that's normal for everybody so
just overcoming those places where you're like i've never done this before i don't know if i
can do this this makes me really uncomfortable because i don't know if i can do this but then
This makes me really uncomfortable because I don't know if I can do this.
But then I think that when you're out there by yourself, you have no one else to depend on.
And so you have to like step up and do it.
And I think that's helped build so much self-esteem for me is having to like, I don't have an option.
Like it's me or it's not getting done.
And it just, I think it's built a lot of really good habits. It's felt a lot of tenacity in myself and like confidence in myself and my abilities
to do a lot of things because I know, like I've seen so many things that I never thought
that I could do.
And because I didn't have an option and I did it and I was like, well, okay, I've done
all these other things.
Like, why couldn't I do this?
I'll figure it out. Like, I'm, I'm kind of a, can be a smart person sometimes. Like,
just do it, just figure it out. And that's the great thing that I've loved about being
solo is that I've had to figure things out to do things. Cause I have two hands and there are lots
of things where I'm like, it would be nice to have another set of hands to handle this really heavy thing that I'm trying to handle.
Or someone like if I'm backing or like when I had a travel trailer and I was having to back it
and I didn't have a backup camera, I'm like, well, this is probably gonna take me a hundred tries,
but it did. And I learned a lot from it and learned how to handle that trailer. I mean,
it would have been great to have a set of eyes behind me.
Like, no, stop.
You're going to hit something.
But you just like, I don't know.
You just learn to pivot and keep moving.
I like that.
I, I've been saving.
I got a bunch of comments and questions we can get to at the end,
but I wanted to share this one.
I thought you might.
Christine says, I still can't overcome camping overnight by myself. My imagination gets the best of me.
Is that still an issue for you? So I have to be really careful about a lot of the things that I
allow myself to intake period, whether I'm traveling or at home, because there's so many things that I think
Hollywood is great about implanting in our heads. And it creates a storyline in our heads that we
think is reality and it's not. And so I have learned that I just filter out those things that
are going to create that fear in me that is irrational because there's rational fear and
there's irrational fear.
Like, yes, there is a chance, of course, that something bad could happen.
But there's a chance that something bad could happen at any point,
no matter whether I'm by myself or not.
And so I try to just be cognizant of those thoughts and those fears.
I acknowledge them.
Like, I hear you.
I feel your fear.
Like, okay, I feel it. But yes, I acknowledge them. Like I hear you. I feel your fear. Like I, okay. I feel
it, but yes, it's real, but I don't think it's legit. Like, I don't think it's necessary. I'm
good. I can handle this. I know that I can handle this thing. And if I can't like, then so be it.
And that's just, I don't know. Maybe that's a crazy way to look at it, but I just, I'm like,
And that's just, I don't know, maybe that's a crazy way to look at it. But I just, I'm like, I've handled my life so far the way that I have and I've been pretty
successful in it.
And I think that, I mean, I've just built self-confidence in myself that, so I have
to do that self-talk.
So I do still have those fears, but then I try to like, you can do this, Valerie.
You're good.
Like, yeah, this is scary, but you know what?
Tomorrow morning, you're going to wake up and you're going to enjoy a beautiful day. And you're just going to keep
moving forward. And that's okay. And then I also like, I do deep breathing. I'll like, if I'm
really just in, I don't know, a state of fear for something, either I listened to some podcasts
and somebody was talking about something and it just
like really stirred up some things in me then I'll try to like do something positive that counteracts
that stirring that will kind of settle me down so I'll listen to some really good music that I like
I'll listen to some upbeat music that like really makes me feel upbeat and happy and I'm like all
right we're good I can do this or if I service, like I'll watch one of my favorite TV shows that makes me feel good as I'm laying down to like settle me down
and just like take steps to chill through that. And then once you've done it a couple of times,
like do it. My biggest suggestion is like, go out and do it somewhere that you know that you're safe
and get a practice of overcoming those mindsets and get
your habits of what works for you. And then just slowly like push your limits of, okay, I did this
in, you know, I went to a campsite that's a national park campsite. So you have park rangers,
you've got all these other people that are there. So if something happens, you can scream for help
and somebody can come and help you, but you're by yourself. And so you're kind of, you're in a safe zone and do those practices and practice those things and
over and then build self-confidence. Like I did it. I said by myself, I can do this again and
just keep practicing and keep doing it and keep pushing your limits. Cause that's the only way
you're going to get better. It's a push your limits. I'm just going to share this while we're
at it. Red Flyer Media, whom we've met at the events. She said, I met Helen Lloyd this summer.
She rode a bicycle from Cape Town to North Africa. She decided that was boring. So she
rode a bike across Siberia in the winter. I decided any fear I had was trivial.
There are some epic people out there doing some epic adventures and there's a
lot of females doing it. And there's a lot of guys doing it too.
Like there are people out there doing some,
like I met this guy this summer that is very similar story.
Like he's done some epic adventures in his life and it was,
it was really cool to get to sit down and talk to him about it. I mean,
people are facing their fears every day and that's just like, that's life.
Like you have to just learn to face your fears and you're going to make it. You're going to survive.
You may be really uncomfortable, but sometimes like that uncomfortableness is what brings up
resilience in us and allows us to face. Maybe there's something that's in your future that
you don't know about and you facing that uncomfortableness and building that resilience preps you for that.
What about communication tools or apps or anything?
Do you have any?
You'd mentioned apps earlier, but I didn't ask for specific names.
What do you have?
What do you have?
A whole bunch of apps.
I can list them off.
I wrote them down because there's a lot.
And there's a lot that I really like.
I have a huge section on my phone
that has like travel RV apps, because when I was doing full time RV, those are a little different.
But I do I have like this list of apps that I and I, when I'm looking for a place to either camp,
or say the night or just sleep off some tiredness and get up and keep driving. I have several apps
that I go between just to kind of see who,
because some people use more apps more than others. Some have older data on them and some
don't always have the greatest data. And so I use, I have a whole bunch of apps. So some of those
are, Allstates is a great one for knowing gas stations. If you um gas tanks so uh not uh propane gas so they have where you can get
propane gas filled they've got a big grocery store like walmart's costco sam's car sam's clubs are
usually on there all gas stations camping and i think rest areas are on that one too. And that's called All Stays. And it's pretty awesome.
And then Free Roam and Camp Pendium.
Those are really good for...
So Free Roam shows you free campsites and paid campsites, which is great.
So if you're on a tight budget and you're like,
man, I really don't have the money to spend money on a campsite,
but I really don't want to be at a gas station.
I want to camp.
I want to be in the woods.
That one can show you that are either like blm land that have camp spots or national parks
that don't charge you for camping so that's kind of they're and they're all so it's all over the
u.s um i overlander i just learned about this one when i was coming back from montana and that's how
i found the camp spot that was free in the bighorn National Forest, which I had no idea.
It's just this random road that you can pull off of. It's in the park. It's not camping.
It's well, it's camping, but it's not set up as a campsite.
So you just like people like overlanders can just park their vehicles, hang out.
And then there's no time limit on how many nights there's not really any amenities there
so it was it's really like a good come in spend the night set up camp and get up and go the next
day but that one had some really good ones that the other apps didn't have and so i liked i
overlander to kind of bounce off between that and all stays in free roam to find camp spots okay um and then i love like find a spring and outly because i have a small obsession with water
and it when it's really warm or when it's not warm like i love knowing places that i can go
and jump in and refresh and take a nice swim just to kind of like i don't know it's just there's
just something about swimming in open water and fresh water that I love. And so I'm always looking for like a good swimming hole while I'm on the
drive. I'm like, I just need to take a break. I just want to take a lunch break and I want to go
swimming. So that one has swimming holes and then spring. So if you wanted to refill your spring
waters, you can look on the springs that are on there on your, on your route that you're going to
refill waters. Okay. So those are like the big ones that I love.
And of course, like the national park sites are great too
for if you want to stay in a national park
to set up camping,
because you have to go on like recreation.gov
to make, to reserve a campsite on,
I think all of the national parks now use recreation.gov,
which is not through the government website.
It's like, it's through a third party, which is really a the government website. It's through a third
party, which is really a pain. Loves has a really good app. I use it pretty steady and it
shows you where each, because I love, pardon the pun, but I love Loves gas stations. They're my
favorite. I do too. I like them better than the other travel centers. They always seem to be
cleaner. They always seem to be like they're set up better for getting in and out of if you have a trailer. And they just seem to be in great location. So whoever has done all of
their planning has done a great job and laying their stuff out and being user friendly. And
dog parks, they usually have a dog park or somewhere for the dogs to go. And some of them
even have RV sites now, which is great. Yeah.
I've seen, I saw a couple of those out West and I thought they were,
and they were back in sight. So they're definitely like, if you're not a,
if you can only pull through that you don't want to say in one of those,
but it was great.
Like it was awesome.
It was really cool to see that to be like, Oh, well, if I, you know,
if I had my travel trailer still,
this would be a great option for traveling on the road and not just
sleeping in it.
I think it saves me 15 cents a gallon as well, which I like.
Oh, yeah. I always do that too. That's why I use loves a lot too.
What about comms, like communication and that sort of thing?
So I have my cell phone that, of course, I always keep on me.
I try to be cognizant of keeping it always charged so that I always have a full charge if I get out of the vehicle.
And then in my, I'm pretty sure, I feel like I should double check this,
but I'm pretty sure in my get home bag, I have a hand crank radio that I can,
if I had to get radios to try to get reception to see if something happens
and I'm trying to figure out what's going on in the world because I'm out of service or whatever,
I have that.
Those are my two things that I keep with me. My cell phone has never
failed me. I just haven't been in a situation where it's failed me yet. So I haven't quite
done the getting a Garmin or getting one of those, like the in reaches, a lot of backpackers
use the Garmin in reach. And you can send like short messages with that. Like if you're out in
the woods, I just haven't done it because I've always had cell phone service when I feel like I was in a
situation where I would need to communicate. And if I didn't have service, I'm like, I'll be out
of the woods in a couple of days. And if you don't hear from me, this is where I'm at. Come find me.
I just haven't quite jumped off that, I guess, mountain to take on that communication device.
I enjoy that if I don't have cell service, then I'm good with that.
What about, I don't think you put this in the notes, what about navigation? Do you use
GPS apps or anything on your phone? I predominantly use Google or Waze. Those
are the two that I like to use. So, like, when I'm if I have if I know I'm driving, so I'm on a route
to try to get to a destination, where I start, I always bring it up on Google. And I zoom out
because I am a very visual person. So I and that's how I map out where I'm at. Like my directional
things is I think so it's like I'm sitting here in my mom's house and like I can sit
here and I will think I like I'll lift myself up out of the house and think what's this direction
okay so that's north that's south all right and that's how like that's just how my brain works
to orientate myself and so what I'll do is I will get my route on google I'll zoom out and then I'll
look at okay is there a big city that I'm going to go through is this a city that that I really don't want to go through? Do I want to avoid it? What time am I
probably going to go through the city? Am I going to hit traffic? And then I also try to look at
routes. Can I reroute myself around this? And if I lose service or for some reason my phone goes out,
in my head, I'm thinking these are the roads that I need to take. These are the highways I need to
stay on to make sure that I'm going in the right direction. And then if I ever feel like
I'm just really disoriented, I always have a paper map with me. I have a huge paper map book that
I've had since 2020, I think, that I always go through and I mark it. So when I'm road tripping,
like when I drove to Montana, before I left my home base, I flagged all the states that I was going to drive through so that I could easily find them in the map book.
And then so then when I'm in that state, I try to open that map book so I have it readily available that I can look at it and see it so that I'm not super distracted driving.
driving or if I'm had to pull over somewhere, I don't really, I'm not a huge fan. If I'm don't know where I'm, if I'm not purposely pulling over somewhere, like if I'm lost and I'm trying to
figure out where I am and I don't know if I'm in a good or bad location of the city, I try not to
be there very long. So I try to like prepare myself or if I need it, I have it in my passenger
seat. So I have the map and the passenger seat that I can pull over. Okay. This is where I'm at.
This is where I need to go.
If I don't have my cell phone, I've predominantly had my phone, I've had service and I've had Google maps to help me navigate. And that's been great. But I try to always be somewhat, try to be
cognizant of my directions and the overall direction that I want to go. Like which way is
North? Which way is South? Am I going North, South, East or West? Okay. And then like just being cognizant of that all the time, whether I'm walking in a new
city or I'm driving. How do you choose your next destination? Um, so that really depends if I,
so like when I was coming back from Montana, I kind of had a I, I knew the stops that I was going to make. So I was gonna I stopped at my one of my new really good friends in South Dakota. And then I knew I was going to southern Missouri. And so knowing those points, I will look okay, how many days is or how long is it gonna take me to get from where I am to the next location that I'm going to that I have planned. And are there any really cool parks? Is there
somewhere that I haven't been or something that I haven't got to see? Is there a really cool hike
that I want to do that's between that and do I have time for it? And so that's kind of how I'll
plan my route to go through to get to the destinations that I already have planned.
But most of my destinations are friends or like I have a reason for going there and then I try to just connect it and keep
the adventure going by keeping it exciting and getting to go and do stuff like I went to
Bighorn National Forest or National Park because it was kind of on my way to get to South Dakota
I was like well this will be it's gonna add about an hour or two but it's a lot more scenic and then
I've never been to Bighorn and this would be really cool to get to go and see it. And it
was really awesome. And I would have not normally done that, but it was on the way kind of. And I
was like, let's do it. I had the time. We do, Becky and I do that quite often. You know, we'll,
we know where we need to be. We'll add a couple extra days in there. And then if there's something
that we really would like to see, we just stop and we spend a half a day or whatever you just, because
yeah, there's adventure in that. I enjoy it. It is. And there's so much to see in the U S in like
the little towns, like taking, like get off of the main interstate. I get it. Like if you're
trying to make time and you're, you're just really trying to cover ground, then yes, use the
interstate. But if you have the time to take those back side roads those old roads before
the interstates were installed go down those roads like check out those small towns those are there's
some really cool places and some really awesome history of art of the us that are in those small
towns i'm going to ask you i'm going to skip a couple because we've got so many good questions
from the audience too but this one i'd like to hear because this is something i'm going to ask you, I'm going to skip a couple cause we've got so many good questions from the audience too, but this one I'd like to hear because this is something I'm going to try to
do more of on my next trip. But what about, uh, how do you prioritize and manage your health while
you're on the road? Cause man, gas station food. I have this thing for gas station hamburgers,
which is no good. But anyway, I don't think I've ever had a gas station hamburger. Don't worry.
Anyway, I don't think I've ever had a gas station hamburger.
Don't worry.
You don't, don't start.
It's bad.
So, um, so I always try to, so when I'm traveling, I usually have my Berkey filter. So I try to pre-filter a good couple of gallons of water.
So I have lots of water.
So staying hydrated is my number one priority.
So it's funny.
I told you about when I went with my brother out West, like we, the restroom and gas stops were the same stops.
And you don't make more than that.
When I'm by myself, I stop as much as I want to and as often as I want to.
And so I don't change my intake of fluids because of that.
Because I like being hydrated is like the most important thing to me.
It keeps me awake.
It keeps me alert. It helps curb a lot of the hunger too.
And so that's my big thing is keeping water readily available and filtered.
And then I really like having snacks in my front seat.
So they're convenient for me to get to. It's not unsafe.
Like if I don't want to stop,
if I'm really trying to cover miles and I don't want to stop other than to get gas or use the restroom, then I prep and I put all
my snacks in the front seat and I have like this snack table. I do a lot of dried fruits and a lot
of dried nuts because they don't go stale and they're a little bit healthier. And then I've
kind of been on this fasting path that I've done a lot. And so I'll fast a lot of the day.
And so I drink a lot of water and then I have some snacks where I'm like,
okay, I can feel that I'm getting tired just because I need food.
And when I'm driving, then I'll have some snacks.
But then I try to really not go in the gas stations if I can avoid them
because they are a temptation.
Like I have this thing about
sour gummy things and like those are literally the crutch they're like my Achilles heel like I
love them so much and they're so bad for me and so I try to eat a bunch of snacks before I have
to stop and get gas so that when I stop to get gas if I have to run in I'm like okay I'm gonna
go in and use the restroom and I'm getting back in the car and i'm getting
back on the road like not buying anything and then i try to have coffee with me so if i want coffee
then i try to so then i can control the quality of the coffee that i'm getting because a lot of
the coffee that's in the gas stations they're so watered down it's just not that great of coffee
and so i keep instant with me and I always have, I almost always have my
jet boil. So I have a stove to heat water. And then I try to, I'm now that I am soon to be proud
owner of a freeze dryer, I will be making my own meals, but I did a lot of freeze dried meals
because I knew somewhat of the ingredients that were in it. And I'm not out like I'm not spending money on fast
food that's full of like, grease and fat and sugars. So I try to control the food that I do
eat by being like having stuff in my vehicle that I can prepare. And then I like when I went to
Montana, I had a cooler that had it was a refrigerator and a freezer. So I had my own food
with me. And I just like I had my stove and I would cook. So because I would fast most of the day, I would cook whenever I got set up
somewhere, I would set up my stove and cook and I'd cook my dinner, whether it was in the parking
lot of a large truck stop or in the middle of a national park. It's like, it's just, it's a way
that I can save money to you and be more frugal in choosing where I put my money. I'm excited. I just, we just
three days ago set up our freeze dryer. So we're, oh yeah, I got hamburger. As soon as the defrost
is done tonight, I'm putting a whole bunch of frozen ground beef in there. So that's exciting.
I'm so, I'm so excited. Like I've been planning to get one of these for over a year and I am so
stoked. I am so stoked.
I can't wait.
You're going to have to fill me in on some things that you do because it's almost like learning how to can again.
It seems intimidating.
But once you start, you're like, what was the big fuss?
You know, it's not too bad.
Yeah.
And so I dehydrate a lot of stuff too.
So I keep dehydrated stuff with me.
Like I try to make my own jerky. So then I was, and I have store-bought processed jerky that like,
cause I am kind of more of a keto bore diet. And so I, I,
I am very strict or I try to be very, and on the road, it's really hard,
especially if you don't plan ahead. And so I try to plan ahead and then having those things in my front seat.
So if I'm in the grass station and I see something and I'm like, Oh,
that looks so good. Cause I'm so hungry. I haven't, I didn't plan ahead. Oh my gosh. I'm like, wait, I have stuff in the grass station and I see something and I'm like, oh, that looks so good because I'm so hungry.
I didn't plan ahead. Oh, my gosh. I'm like, wait, I have stuff in the front seat.
Don't spend the money on this. Get out of the store and eat what's in your car.
And yeah, yeah, the I was just thinking you you pretty much have to go in.
Well, anyway, you have to go into the bathroom and go buy the snacks and order.
Yeah, it sucks. I called you to how they have that set up. And I'm very aware of that. to go in well anyway you have to go into the bathroom and go buy the snacks and order yeah
it sucks psychology to how they have that set up and i'm very aware of that
and i like to go at loves i like going in the back where they have all the
the cool i call it the prepping gear but it's the stuff for the truckers oh my god i have to
stay away from that too because it's so expensive like that's where they make their money it's
getting the people that want to go in there and they see and think it it's cool. Like go home and order it online. I love going
and looking at it though. I'm like, Oh, look at that new full gadget. That looks really cool.
I know. I know. I know. There's so many that like the, the, the tire thumping sticks. I'm like,
man, that'd make a good weapon, you know? And you want to work through some of the questions that
we have here and then, okay. And then we might pop back to a couple more
there what do we got all right um actually this one's more a statement i think but um red flyer
media said i have a zippered cross body bag that i use when in odd places yeah it was a game changer
for me in hungary romania bulgaria yes the zipper makes it so much there's because most people that
are pickpocketing they're looking for an easy target.
And so having a zipper like that's making you a hard target because it's so much more for them to have to work for.
Because that's they just want something quick and easy that they can get away from.
So do you travel mostly with a purse or do you travel with a shoulder bag or a backpack or what do you?
It sort of varies. It depends on what I'm really doing that day and where I'm traveling. I like, I have a crossbody bag that I really like because it just sits more comfortably on me. And it's, it's actually like an, it has like ammo pouches, which are great for my phone. a concealed carry little pouch in it so depending on what i'm wearing my gun may be in it i don't i
would much rather my gun be on me because i think that that's just the better way to carry it but
sometimes having it in my purse is just how it works but so i love the cross body and it's got
multiple zippers on it um i have some just like over the shoulder if i'm in town and i don't i
want to be more gray man and not have like the tactical looking bag then I'll use it and it's like I call it my Mary Poppins bag because I literally can put so much
crap in that thing and like when I used to
go to the movies and if I was sneaking Dollar Tree candy
when I ate Dollar Tree candy into the movies which nobody does that
that was the purse that I was taking with me because I could fit all the candy in the Dollar
Tree in that purse. That was the purse that I was taking with me because I could fit all the candy in the dollar tree in that purse. That's awesome. What about this? Yeah. You ever look into this RFID for
personal info? So all my credit cards are in those little sleeves, like the paper sleeves.
So then they can't, so that's, they're in paper sleeves. And then the purse that I,
sleeves so then they can't so that's their end paper sleeves and then the purse that I the wallet that I have is RFID um chipped also and so that I always keep my credit cards in that and then when
I use my so if I'm using my phone and I use my Apple Pay because I get another percent on my
money back so I use my Apple Pay more but like if I'm so if I'm in a gas station let's say Bucky's
always takes Apple Pay so if I'm at Bucky's and I pull up and I'm in a gas station, let's say Bucky's always takes Apple Bay. So if I'm at
Bucky's, and I pull up and I'm like doing the tab to pay before I even open it, I'm looking around
to make sure there's nobody standing there with a machine trying to get into my phone because they
do that crap, they will sit at a gas like they'll get a pump next to you. And they'll wait for you
to get close to it. And then they can pick up on your phone. So I always look around to make sure
there's nobody at the pumps, I try to get away, I try not to stop at a pump that's close to anybody. I try to be really
far away from people. I tap it and I'm like watching it. And as soon as this is authorized,
I close the app on my phone. I don't just close my phone. Like I'm closing the app so that the
people can't, if they got access, they can't access it. And then I put it back in my pocket.
So yes, I do. And I i try like and if i'm using
my credit card and i'm doing the tap to pay with my card i do the same thing i look around to make
sure nobody's close by that could have a device that could be trying to pick up on it and then
i'll use it but i really try not to use my card the tap to pay on my cards if i can help it that's
good to know i yeah i like that and then you can use pin we use pin quite a bit but then they have
the little skimmer sometimes too you have to watch out for.
And then like at a golf station, if you're using your credit card and if you're doing the insert and pull out, so most of them have the new locks on it.
So it shows that it's a secure credit card thing. But one of the things that I learned is reach in and grab it and try to pull it out.
Like shake it and make sure it's
actually secure. Because what they have now is they'll put this system that goes over the credit
card reader, it looks just like a credit card reader. And so it's got a strip reader that as
soon as you stick your strip, and it reads it, and it pulls your data, but it looks just like
so you're still you don't know that your card has been read twice, because you have the gas station
machine and then the machine that they set up. And so a lot of times i'll look and i'll like hit it and like move it to make sure because
most of those things will come off if you push it it'll pop off so i always look for that too
at the gas stations i know we talked a little bit about this but i'll ask you maybe you can
clarify but christine asks how do you find a place to park? So I look for any kind of like things that would I consider red flags.
So I look for vehicles that are not looking broke down.
It doesn't look like they've been parked there for several nights.
So if I'm at a gas station and I'm looking for a spot, if there's a van,
it looks like they've been posted up camping for a day or two.
I try to stay away from them because they might actually pull in other
riffraff and they may be there for doing business that i don't really want to be involved in um i look for 18
wheelers that are owned by big companies like the big nice 18 wheelers and not a rundown 18
wheeler i try to make sure like i look at the the truck itself and this is just what i do because i
feel like if it's a driver that is working for a company that has a nice truck and a nice trailer, the driver is probably not some whatever.
Yahoo. Yes. I'm like, I'm trying to be nice.
I understand. We all know where you're at here, don't you?
And so I try to be cognizant of those things. And so I look at vehicles and what they look like,
and I look for people. I looked like, is there somebody getting in a vehicle that looks really shady? Then I try to stay away from that
vehicle. And if there's enough of those things going on in a parking lot, I go somewhere else.
Like I'm not going to stay there. If I have to, I'll go like I've stayed in rest stops too. And
rest stops are very sketchy. Like those are known to be terrible places to stay, but sometimes you
don't have another option. And it's just try to find the best place
that you can be in because a lot of those places have cameras. So park somewhere where you're in
view of the camera. So if something happened, there's a camera that got footage of what
happened of your vehicle. And that's, I mean, that's kind of always been a little bit of my
backup that I don't depend on that. I liked your tip earlier and I meant to mention it about parking in the 18 wheeler place
because most times I've done this a lot too because I feel more safe and secure because
those lots tend to be one way in one way out I'm not you know not multiple ways of egress and as
long as you're not parked like a dick and you're blocking somebody's parking usually they'll leave
you alone and nobody will say anything.
Yeah.
And a lot of times you can,
like I've gotten in like the,
so I'm close to a light,
but the truck's high enough
that I can get in the shadow of the truck.
So I'm still in light,
but I don't have the light,
like the street,
like beaming down on top of my vehicle
that's brightening my vehicle.
And that's always like a nice little good pocket.
And I also don't back in really really far
so if it's nighttime and an 18-wheeler is trying to park I don't want them backing in and hitting
my vehicle because I didn't see it it was in the back of the parking spot so I try to like stay up
and be cognizant because I just like they're really high up off the ground I've driven big
trucks like it's not easy to see stuff and so I try to be cognizant of that they can see me
that I'm parked there too and when I'm parked back there with them, cause I'm sure that they're not happy to see a vehicle
back there taking up a parking spot. I'll quite often look for a corner or a curb that's close
to the gas station. So it makes me open, you know, in scene, but I'm also not really taking
an ideal spot. It just, yeah, because I'm, I'm paranoid too, actually
about getting blocked in, for instance, they might just back in and might want to just,
Oh, look at that dummy and back, you know, back in until you can't leave. Right. So
what about a comfortable day pack? Do you have one that you recommend?
Oh, I'm trying to actually find one that fits that so i like having a pack that has pockets
on the shoulder straps and most day packs don't have those like it's just this really thin strap
because they're assuming that you're not taking much gear but the way that i like to carry my
gear if i'm on a day trip i want to have anything with me that if the weather goes south really fast
which can
happen at any moment in the mountains, or if I fall and get injured and I can't get back out,
I want to have all the gear that I need to make it through a night or two, even if I'm playing
on a day pack. And so I like having these, like the pockets that are on the shoulder straps that
help take up some of the small gear that can get lost in your other pack or something you just want
to be able to get to while you're walking throughout the day without having to take your
whole pack off and there's just i haven't really found a good day pack that has that that's not
see so we are heavy i like light packs because soe packs are meant to last which is amazing
but i like i if i i like my packs to be very lightweight because I want my gear to be what
weighs me down, not my pack. I get that. And I, you talked about a over the shoulder or cross
body bag. That's what I use. You know, they love to call it my man purse, but the thing is awesome
for traveling with next to me. Everything goes in before I go into, you know, anything of value
goes in it when I go into the gas station. Yeah. I mean, well, and they can't come up and snatch it off of you. Cause if you have a cross body,
like if somebody wants to come and snatch her bag, like it's a lot harder to snatch it
like over a head and shoulder versus it just being like draped over a shoulder.
Chris Dixon wants to know, have you ever thought about replacing your hatchet in your get home bag with a saw for weight savings? So I have a saw also. So the hatchet is more of not necessarily for wood.
Sure. Yeah. I have this really awesome, uh, silky saw, which is the best thing. Like everybody
should have one of these. It's got these really awesome razor sharp teeth it cuts through wood like butter um it will i mean in all reality like if i got somewhere and i got an arm gnarled somewhere
i'm using that to cut my arm off because that thing will rip through tendon and bone and get
it done fast and that's what you want like you don't want to sit there with an axe like trying
to like i mean i'm thinking like worst case scenario and that's like that's how i think
when i think about my gear i'm like i want gear that if something happens and i get i don't know like trying to like, I mean, I'm thinking like worst case scenario. And that's how I think when
I think about my gear. I'm like, I want gear that if something happens and I get, I don't know,
I get into a car wreck and my, my arm gets stuck in the door or gets stuck somewhere and I got to
get out of there. I want something that's going to get the job done really fast so that I can get
out of it and then I can fix the wound. And so I love that, that little silky and it's literally
is like this big. It's so awesome. And they make really big ones too, but like that, that little silky and it's literally is like this big. It's so awesome. And they make really big ones too.
But like that, that little silky is that thing goes with me everywhere.
When I day hike it's with me.
And when I'm like, if I'm, I mean, it's always in my pack.
So it's always with me when I'm on the road, but I definitely make sure I have
it up in the front seat with me when I'm going down forest roads, cause it's great
for knocking limbs and little trees that have fallen across forest roads that you're
trying to clear the road, that thing works great.
I want to expand, expand this question a little bit,
but Dallas Williams said when in national forest parks, do you recommend tiger bomb as personal protection against bear? Now I also want to ask about snakes because I personally
don't love snakes. Yeah. So, uh, so Dallas and I hiked the at for a good month and a half together so this is like
kind of an inside joke um yes i do i swear by tiger bomb to keep all rodents and things away
from my food and it's worked like so i had this theory going on trail and i feel like
i was kind of proof of it and then my one of the girls that I was hiking with.
So when we were in the hundred mile wilderness,
which is the longest stretch of wilderness without an easy resupply,
it's up in Maine.
It's right before you get to Baxter to do the summit for Gadotim.
And so we're at this, we're at this designated campsite.
And she had mice coming over the screen of her camp or of her tent.
And she's like screaming, like, there's mice,
I have mice on my tent. And I was like, you need the tiger balm. And so I unzip my tent and I throw
her the tiger balm and she puts it, I don't know if she put it on her or she put it on the tent.
The mice went away immediately. They don't like menthol because tiger balm is very, very menthol-y.
I mean, think about what it does to our nose when we smell it. You're like, oh, it's, you know, it kind of takes you back. Animals, I think, have a more sensitive nose than we do.
And so I swear by Tiger Balm, like, I don't go hiking without it because I'm a terrible person
and I sleep with my food in my tent. Don't tell anybody. And so, like, my type of cough is what
kind of helps me keep the things out.
Because a part of me thinks that, well, it depends on where I am.
So like when I'm in grizzly country, yes, I hang my bag and I do the proper thing 99% of the time.
But like I would rather try to fight an animal off from my food than it come like find it and steal it.
And then I don't have food to get out. That's just my thought process. So I'm probably very good for it. And I'm sure a lot
of people think that I'm an idiot for it, but I try to be smart. I mean, I don't try to do it
where it's a place that I'm like, yeah, I'm probably gonna run into a bear. I probably
shouldn't do this, but. I appreciate your candor because we don't all do, none of us are perfect
preppers, are we? We all have things that we do we're all learning how about do you hunt and fish along the way at all i don't um so i i want to learn how to hunt
i've i've been hunting i've never actually so i have killed a deer but it wasn't hunting like i
was horseback riding and we came up on a deer that a hunter i think um shot an arrow and it broke
the tendon in the back and And so his back end was
broken. And so we came up on a hurt deer. And I just won't, I won't put up with something,
an animal suffering. Like I have no problem dispatching and processing an animal, but I,
I don't like doing it unless I'm going to harvest it for my nourishment. And I cannot stand for an
animal to suffer. And so that was not a fun situation to be in that the first deer that I had to kill was in pain and it was a buck. And so like trying to not get stabbed by the
horns and trying to put it down because we were in a national park. So I didn't, I couldn't have,
we couldn't shoot it. So I had to use a knife to take it down. That was interesting. So, but I've
never, I've hunted, but I've never successfully killed a deer or a turkey. And I would like to, like, that's on the plan of this fall season.
And fishing, I like fishing, but I'm not a huge fisher person.
Like I love fishing with my dad.
Like that's the thing that my dad and I do together.
But I'm not, I don't know.
Fishing is just, I don't do it to survive.
I get it.
I get it. I wanted to, I'm going to bring this question up here.
I'm just going to mention it or it's more of a comment than a question,
but it says a hard way home homestead, Alaska. Hey Tim, up here in Alaska,
we have one of the highest missing persons. A lot are vacation adventurers.
You must be prepared for everything. Yes. Have you run into that before?
adventurers, you must be prepared for everything. Yes. Have you run into that before? Um, so I heard about that. I have, I've heard about people that are, that go, there's a lot of people on the
AT that go out that are not really fully prepared. Um, there's a, like we lose people on Katahdin
every year and I'm not really sure. I don't know. And there's people that get, they have to go in and be
rescued up in the whites of New Hampshire too. I don't understand the thought process of people
just not being prepared in environments that are such, that can be so extreme out of nowhere like
those. And that, so, and Alaska is one of those places. So it does kind of amaze me the amount
of people that don't understand the
risks that they're taking and not being prepared for the, like having the proper weather gear.
Like there was a guy that went up in the whites of New Hampshire that had jeans and a cotton t-shirt
on in the winter. And I'm like, dude, you're literally like asking to freeze to death because
you're at such a high altitude. The weather can
change in a second. Like I saw it firsthand change in a second in the whites of New Hampshire.
And this guy's in jeans and like tennis shoes, cotton socks, and a cotton shirt. Like none of
that is going to keep you warm when it gets wet, you are done. But people leave the trailhead and
go on these long hikes with that. I don't, I just don't understand it. People, I don't know.
Just let you know, your audio is coming through crystal clear,
but your video froze, I think. And I don't know. It's not,
it's not bothering. It's not causing any problems or anything,
but I thought maybe if you shut your video off and turn it back on,
it might, nah, you're, that's okay. We can, we can, I got one more question
for you anyway, if you want to answer it. Of course. All right. So this one is, um,
how do you navigate the balance between, uh, independence or seeking independence
and staying open to new connections during your travels? Because we talked about this a bit
in the pre-show and how, you know, a person sometimes isn't
open to meeting new people.
Sometimes you are, but how do you, how do you do that?
How do you balance your independence and traveling around and also being open to meeting new
people?
That's a great question.
So I, I, and like, I, when I'm by myself, I feel like I get to these moments where I just have this longing
for some human connection and I think when I get to those points especially if I'm in a national
park I try to reach out or talk to the people that are around me so like when I was in Yellowstone
and I was watching I was standing at this place and just in taking all of the amazing beauty
that is yellow stone and like having like this complete stranger was standing next to me and I
just looked over them and just like started a conversation which is very much so not normal for
me um but it was like sharing that common experience of the all of what we were witnessing. So we had like this
common thing. And that was really awesome. And that's usually the most part that's where I kind
of reach out and I'm more open to meeting people is in those moments. A lot of times I just kind
of I really enjoy the solitude and I enjoy the ability that it gives me to really connect with nature and not be so distracted by so
many things going on. Because like, if you're with somebody, subconsciously, I believe that
we're always trying to make sure that we're kind of like working in unison together and going and
seeing stuff and not taking too much time. Like, do you, you know, are you bored? I'm standing here looking at this beautiful thing. Is this boring to you? Do you
need to move somewhere else? And there's other things that you have to consider when you're
traveling with other people. And they, I think one of the things that I really have enjoyed being
solo is that I like, I'm literally on my schedule. And so it has allowed me to have so many deeper
connections with nature and with God and like have those moments that I think
like if I would have been with someone, I would have still had those moments, but they would have
looked a little different. And I may have not had as many of them because I, I chose to be still
for, I don't know, an hour in this place that people are coming and going because it's not
like this really exciting place for a lot of people, but it was just a place that I just felt a calling to just sit and be still and enjoy the
beauty that God gave us to look at at that moment. And if I had somebody with me, like I would have
felt the pressure to move on and keep walking or, you know, this wasn't exciting to them,
but being solo like that gave me that ability, which I have appreciated and liked.
like that gave me that ability, which I have appreciated and liked.
That's fair. Thank you. I like that. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. You can definitely be present in the moment without worrying, I suppose,
about yeah. What other people are thinking or doing. That's, that's good, Val.
I like that.
And I like, cause I'm, I definitely am a people pleaser.
So if I'm traveling with someone, like I want them to be having a great
time. I want, I'm always cognizant of them having a good time. And so I try to, um, it kind of can
be a distraction for me. And so I, I, you know, yeah, you're good. Um, what about, uh, have you
taken Xena on any of your backpacking trips yet? Yeah. so Zena and I did our first really long overnight when we were in Montana.
We went and hiked to the Chinese Wall.
So I've been wanting to do this hike
since I went out to Montana in 2021.
I learned about this really awesome hike
into the Bob Marshall.
So the Bob Marshall Wilderness
is one of the most remote areas in the US
left untouched by man.
Like it is this amazing wilderness area that's
in Montana. And so it's very high in wildlife. And so there's a lot of grizzlies and they talk
about the grizzlies out there. And so that was one of my biggest fears of doing that hike
solo is that if I, like, I don't have a lot of experience with grizzlies. I don't like,
I understand what needs to happen if you encounter one, but I don't have a lot of experience with grizzlies I don't like I understand what needs to happen if you encounter one but I don't have enough experience where I am confident to handle
it I would say and so I was really like oh I don't know I'm really nervous about doing this and I
don't know how she was gonna do if we saw a grizzly because she's never seen a bear and like
I was just really nervous I was like it was a huge hurdle for me to actually take that on by myself
the um the friend of mine that was out
there was supposed to go with me and that just kind of fell through. And I was like, I'm doing
this. Like I'm here. I'm going to do this thing. Like Xena and I will figure it out. If we have to
run out the woods with a backpack on, cause the grizzlies chasing us, like we will run out the
woods. But, and I'm like, I had my bear spray with me. I didn't take my gun because guns are heavy
and really, and truly they're not going to do a lot when you're backpacking and a grizzly
comes up on you.
Like bear spray is what's going to do something to hopefully deter it, to stop it from coming
after it, like charging you and going away.
And so her and I did this.
I mean, it was epic.
It was so awesome.
It was very self-esteem building because I was so scared to go in there in like the fear of like the unknown
and so her and I got to do that it was we did I was thinking it was going to take us four days
but it only took us three and so it was really awesome to see to push her and push her abilities
and see her adapt and overcome like we went there's this like really long section it was hot and there was no water and so it was just it was just really awesome to see her manage her um herself in like finding
shade to cool down as soon like she would run ahead find shade lay down the coolers up down
learn how to manage that and like that to me was like so moving to see like she really is like an
amazing hiking partner because she learned how to manage it like I was um and then like one of the things that I was kind of doing to help me be cognizant of her
is like when she didn't have water I didn't drink water and so that long section I'm like if she
doesn't have access to water then I'm not drinking any of my water and I have had water on me so if
like I got to a place where she started showing signs of something like heat exhaustion or anything
that we would stop and I would like, we would handle it.
But I was like, I'm not going to drink water if she can't have water.
So then I am cognizant of what she is kind of feeling like.
And I think that just like made the experience even better.
But yeah, she does awesome.
Like she loves being in the mountains.
She loves being in the woods.
We saw a goat and she was like, she thought it was the coolest thing ever to see a mountain goat.
Oh, well, thank you, Val.
This has been, man, we killed an hour and a half just like that.
So did you want to, is Xena around to come and say hello to everybody before we finish up?
She's behind me squeaking a squeaky toy.
Come here.
Hey, come on.
Up, up.
Oh, there she is.
Say hi.
Hi, Xena.
Oh, she's a good girl. Thank you.
Such a good girl. She was good at supper that night too. She's great.
She's so good. So if anybody wants to follow up with you, Val, what's the easiest way that they can pick your brain or, you know, ask you questions? So I have an Instagram. That's
probably Instagram or Facebook is, are the two things that i kind of have going right now my instagram is she walks 2020 so that's my from when i did
my hike that was my tag for my hike um so you can just send me a message on there and then i can uh
we can definitely connect especially if you have any questions about traveling and stuff that i've
done any of the like if you want to know a list of the apps that I use when I'm traveling,
I am, I love sharing this information.
Cause I think the more people that have this information and they can travel
and enjoy traveling, the more they're going to travel.
And that's going to help like,
just like I was saying about going outside,
like the more people that get out and enjoy these things,
the more likely they're going to put their money into these things to keep
them there for the
next generations. Because I like, I think that that's so important to get to see just what our
country has. Like there's so much history and there's so much to see in this country. And
like, yes, there's stuff overseas and all over the world too. But man, there's so much here in
this country that is economical to go and see it. And like, doesn't cost you more
than really just the gas, like pack your lunch, pack your water, go and explore and see these
things and see what America, the beautiful is and Canada too. I haven't been up to Canada much. I
want to get up there, but like, I want to go to Waterton. I like that's on my list to go up to
Waterton. I think I've traveled more of the U S than I have of Canada.
I mean, I've traveled Canada, but I've intentionally hit, I would say a bigger
percentage of the States at this point. So there's something special in the interstate system, even
though, you know, it, man, it's a good system. It is, it works. It works, especially if you're
on a time crunch and you really want to like utilize your time to go and see like big stuff,
you can hit the interstates and kind of get between parks.
Absolutely. Well, thank you, Val.
Thanks for letting Xena make a quick cameo as well.
I always love seeing her.
So if you want to hang in the back for just a quick second,
I'll close up here and I'll be right back with you.
Thanks.
Guys, I hope you appreciated that episode.
I know Val's episode last year when she talked about
hiking on the Appalachian Trail I don't know how many comments or emails I got about that but it
was one of the most well-received episodes and we we appreciate Val she's a friend Becky and I both
consider her a friend and anytime I get to talk to her, half the reason I do this
podcast is it gives me an excuse to talk to my friends all across the world. And this was great.
So Val, thank you guys. If you want to follow her adventures, go to she walks 2020 on Instagram.
Her link is in the description tonight, but more than that, just send her a, a word of encouragement
and a word of thanks for coming
on here and sharing what she knows. So guys, I appreciate you. Don't forget Thursday night,
episode 400 of Workshop Radio. It's been quite the ride so far, and we're going to keep going.
So as always, stay healthy, stay happy, and have a great week.