The Press Box - A Deep Dive Into the Timeline of Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson’s Relationship | Jam Session (Ep. 482)

Episode Date: June 13, 2018

The Ringer’s Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins give some background on Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson (1:00) before going deep on the timeline of their relationship leading up to their engagement (9:57). Plus, Amanda gives her two-minute review of ‘Ocean’s 8’ (29:17). Refinery29's timeline of their relationship Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliet Lippman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. We got a case to get on today. Yeah, this is a lot has happened. We're going to talk about Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson, obviously. I just have a question for you. What do Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson individually mean to you, Amanda? That is a great question. So I think during the first wave of Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson dating before things escalated this week, which we'll get to, I kind of realized that Ariana Grande is the Katie Perry of the generation just below ours. Oh, interesting. And that made me more interested in her because while she is not my chosen celebrity or my chosen pop star,

she's certainly very good at being a celebrity and being in the public eye. I like her music, especially her first album, yours truly. It's a good one. Which is great. She's clearly a big deal. And she's clearly good at being a big deal. I think also there was an absolute tragedy at her concert in Manchester year ago, and she has handled that, I think, with a lot of empathy. And that was a tough thing for everyone, including her.

And you don't always know how people will respond to that. But I give her credit for that. For some reason, she was, like, subjected to storylines that I don't think she deserved. Like, she had the, like, she's the adult baby, like, she gets carried around. She was like the fodder of internet. So let's just, I'm going to go ahead and say like, that's a pretty good story to have attached to your name. Yeah, sure. If, as far as celebrity narratives go, like, that's a pretty funny one.

And then she had apologized for licking the donuts. Yeah, that was weird. That was, but again, these scandals are pretty entertaining. Yeah, they're just sort of like, she shouldn't be maligned for these things, I guess is my point. I think she should be maligned for licking the donuts. Have you watched the video of her looking at the donuts? I have. It's very strange.

My take is she was probably on some kind of drug. Sure. And can't and can't say so. Yes. And that also seems true of at least the first apology video. Yeah. Yes. And also true of like everyone on most of the reality shows that I like.

Like it just, you do dumb shit when you have on some kind of, you know, you're having fun. You're living life. I don't know. Frankie Grande is frequent the same soul cycle as me. So I've been in several classes with him. So I feel I'm just one sole cycle class away from Ariana Grande. Actually, remember when she did the performance with Nikki Minaj on the bikes?

I think that was like that. Yes, I do. That was when I took a class with Frankie Grande, that was referenced by one of the teachers. Side to Side is basically a soul cycle song, right? Yeah, that's a move. It's soul cycle. I mean, it is like, I'm sure it's used a lot at Soul Cycle, but it is, I understand the other meanings of side to side. Just FYI for everyone.

Please don't at me. I got it. Thank you. But it could be a Soul Cycle reference. Here's one thing that I didn't say when talking about why I'm interested in Ariana Greta. She's talented. She is actually genuinely talented. I think she can sing.

And there is the whole thing about her and how she should, she's like, she should have been an S&L cast member, which will obviously come back to that because of the Pete Davidson of it all. But I think she's very good when she's on S&L. Absolutely. There's actual talent there. I think she's actually a better, like, host and actress than she is singer. Because I like her music too. I really like that album. I also, I like the new song.

No Tears Left to Cry. Yeah. But she doesn't, like, none of her songs, like, hit the Katie Perry platonic ideal of a pop song, which is kind of also, like, fraught to bring up because many of those songs are written by Dr. Luke. That said. Also, by the way, it was just, like, one album. Yeah. That hit the platonic ideal.

And we've all been trying to live up to it, including Katie Perry. I know. And nothing well. Yeah. Because she is, like, she's really a great late-night guest. Yeah. She's a good SNL host. Like, she's definitely talented.

She has a little bit of kind of grown-up child star to her. Yeah. She's definitely a pop star. But she's interesting. There's a lot to work with here. It just seems like I don't get it. Like, I think I'm like two, like, we're like two years too old. Because we just want to have this conversation on Slack with our coworkers.

Yes. Or they were, like, obsessed with Ariana Grande, like, many of the women on staff who were just like a smidge younger than us. And I was like, huh. Yeah. I was going to come back to this later on and just talk about, is there a 24-year-old that you care about? 24. I mean, I suppose you follow the NBA and there's like an age difference there, so probably there is. But kind of in the celebrity space, what's your age cutoff?

That's a good one. Well, that's what I've been grappling with this week. I was just like, oh, I'm old. I'm a little old. Well, one issue is that I've spent a lot of time in the Sean Mendes YouTube hole, but I'm, like, interested in him as, like, a specimen, but I'm not like. like into him. You know what I mean? This is one we should note that Sean Bandez is 19 years old. He's nice. I think he might be 20 now. I think he might be 20 now.

I, wow. That's a great question. Is there a 24 year old that I care about? No, I just Googled famous 24 year olds and I'm going to read from a list. Yeah. So, Sersia Rodin. Okay. I care about her, but she's like wise beyond her years. I would guess she's 27. Here's a big one for me, Harry Stiles. Oh. He's 24 already? I was actually just Googling that to double check that this website isn't totally making up. Yeah, he's 24 February 1st.

Oh my God, that makes me feel like her birthday did him. Absolutely aged. I recall when he turned 18. Right. Oh, that's awful, Amanda. Oh, I'm sorry. How hard. All of them.

Liam, Nile. Yeah, they're all 24 now. Justin Bieber also 24. Yeah. Which I would say I'm not invested in his life the way. I'm interested, so that counts. Okay, that's a good point. And how old is Ariana Grande? 20?

She's also 24. Oh, she is. Yeah. 24. Yeah. One thing about her that astounds me is her diminutive stature. Yeah. I can't understand what it's like to be a small person as a large person.

I can't, I just don't get it. She's really very. She's tiny. Tiny, yeah. It's so wild. I'm genuinely curious about that experience in the world, because I've been tall and just like on the larger end for my entire life. Are you setting me up for my take that is a take I can't really share publicly,

but I guess I'll do this now? Sure. I've always been suspicious of extremely, extremely much shorter than me people. And that's like you can't say that because it's sizes, but it's a very different experience of the world. It is. Than versus being relatively tall, which you and I are. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's just a really, really different experience. Like, it's the opposite end of this. Like, when you go to a clothing store, like mass made clothes target like the middle, right? And if you're on either end, you're just like you feel so discriminated against. And you're just like, fuck this.

But it's just like how you take up space in the world or don't take up space in the world is obviously like a very fraught and loaded issue. And everyone has a different experience with it. Everyone has their struggles. But that's a very different type of struggle. Totally. It's really, really... It's just really different. And I don't think if Pete's Davidson is a particularly tall person. When I see pictures of them together, I'm just like, oh, my God, she's so short. Wait, but so you asked me about my connections to Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson. Yes.

So we did Ariana. Yes. Pete Davidson, I got to say, I had basically no connection before last week, maybe this Monday, when I started doing the research necessary to be appropriately informed on this topic. I'm going to tell you, I went on a real journey and came out pretty pro-frey Davidson. I went from what? Who? To, huh, I'm pretty invested in this.

And he, like, I get it and I wish them well. So that's where I went. I just want to say I've underrated his height. He's six foot three. Okay. All right. That's tall. That's also, just.

It's a good height. Yeah. I am a weirdo and I'm kind of obsessed with 9-11. So N. Pete Davidson's father died in 9-11. So that's kind of how I've always thought of him. Do you want to qualify obsessed for the people at home? Sure. I just, I think it's because I grew up in New York. I was there on 9-11, and I spent a significant amount of time in college reading all of the books,

all the novels written about 9-11. And I've seen pretty much every movie that makes it a big set piece. Like, I just have all of the fictionalizing of 9-11. You wrote a- Yeah, I wrote my college thesis about it. And then turned into an article. You're academically interested in it. Yes.

Yes, thanks, Amanda. Thanks for getting us there. Anyway, Pete Davidson, that's how I know. That's kind of like, I don't want it at SNL. So he could sort of, and then, so I just was like, oh, right, that's the famous guy whose father passed away at 11. And then he was dating Cassie David. Yes. And I, he won me over.

So did she when they held up, when they did a photo together where she was holding a sign that said David, which is her last name. And then he was right next to her holding one that said son, like, because he's Davidson. And so I thought it was really cute. He seems like a girlfriend guy to me. He does. Yes, I think we have that evidence. One other thing that we need to come back and talk about is how all of these players, and I'm including Kazi David in that, are extremely good at Instagram.

Yeah. And this has just been a real Instagram journey from start to finish. Yes. And as someone who spends a lot of time looking in photos of strangers on Instagram, had a pretty good time with that. Yeah. It's kind of my TV at this point. It's my reality TV.

is what I do. Sure. But they are all extremely fluent. Yes. And you can really watch it all unfold in a new way. Let's get into the timeline. Okay. Because this will take us back to Instagram.

There's many Instagrams I want to discuss. Yes. So thank you to Kaya, McMullen, our producer, who did a ton of research for us. Yes. Kaya, thank you. Truly. Don't cut this out. Yeah.

Anytime. It was fascinating. So we'll just run down Kaya's timeline. And then there was a wrinkle today via Refinery 29 that we'll come back too. So, Argana Grande and Pete Davidson met for the first time in March 2016 when she hosted Saturday Night Live. Yes. Cool. Good.

That's great. She's very good on SNL. Many a couple meet on SNL. He was also, we should just say, one of the youngest SNL cast members in history. He started, I believe, when he was 20. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Great job, Pete Davidson.

Yeah. On May 9th, the news broke that Argana Grande and Mac Miller had broken up. They had been dating for two years. Of course, they had the song The Way together. And also, instrumental. She made it seem like he was instrumental and her being able to move on from the bombing in her Manchester concert

because they were dating at the time. It seemed like he was important to the relationship. I'm sure that also was very tough for everyone involved. Yes. And it came out in May, but they had broken up a while ago. So by the time she was at Coachella. Hold on. Hold on. A while ago is early April.

Early April. Yeah, we're going to talk about timelines and everyone's definition of time and how it passes. That's what we're going to do in this podcast. Continue. Age old tale. Sure. Yeah.

And then on May 12th, she attended Saturday Night Live after party. It was photographed holding a cloud phone case that looks like Pete Davidson. I just want to say I'm like against... It looks like his phone case. I'm against the statement phone case, and this is just part of the reason why. Okay. I have one. Are you mad at mine?

It's not really that much of a statement. It's like yours is a clear base, I suppose. I don't know. Why are you mad at it? Like, I broke my phone and I need to have it. What do you want on my phone? Mine's just totally... Mine's just clear. Okay, well, I don't know. I actually like yours. Maybe I'm just opposed to the Cloud one. Like, what's these for... Actually, I do like that. And Kate Spade makes some nice ones.

Okay. What do you think that Cloud is supposed to mean? It's just like something he's into? I don't know. So when they said Cloud, I didn't really understand until I looked at it. It's the emoji that's like the thinking emoji. Oh, that one. one. Right? Do you know what I'm trying?

It's opposed to... Like a thought bubble. Yes. That is what it is always represented to me. I don't know whether it's true. Got, yeah. Whether that's actually what he means. But so maybe, you know, he's thinking.

That was on May 12th. Then, a week before that, on May 3rd, Cassie David posted a photo of her and Pete with his and hers cotton candy in which the caption was BFFs. Okay. But on May 16th, she could... He confirmed with complex that they had... broken up. He didn't specify when. Yes, that'll be important. Come back to it. We'll come back to it.

On May 17th, Davidson posted a photo featuring a new cloud tattoo on his middle finger, and just three days prior, Ariana Grande posted an Instagram photo with a cloud emoji as the caption. Dun, done, done! The plot seconds! And then, the day after that, on May 18th, Bossup reported that Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson were together, and then there was a fan-vieve. video of Pete Davidson with Argonne Grande at the Billboard Music Awards on May 20th. And then things get a little darker and more intense. On May 23rd, she posted a note responding to criticism that she was to blame for Mac Miller's DUI. He had been arrested on May 17th.

And the following day, on May 24th, Pete Davidson posts a note about being a relationship with mental illness. And those weren't necessarily tied at the time, but in retrospect, they seemed related. And then finally on May 30th, the couple goes public with a relationship for the first time. They are wearing Harry Potter gear together. And maybe they went on to listen to binge mode, who knows. And this caption was, The Chamber of Secrets has been opened. Then on June 2nd, an Instagram from Pete's tattoo artist shows two new tattoos, one of them, Ariana Grande's bunny ear mask from her Dangerous Women album.

She wore those a lot. That's behind his ear. and then the letters AG on his thumb. Sorry for a second, I thought you were talking about our esteemed colleague, Andrew Grita Dow. Maybe. That would be very exciting. Who knows? Anyway. Let's just pause here.

So this is a lot. And then there's like a phase two to this. It will come back to. So this is a lot. Yes. A lot of Instagramming, as you noted. Yeah, I did also want to note, in addition to this, last week, Alyssa Beresnak wrote for the ringer. She wrote a piece about the Instagram algorithm that promotes celebrity comments.

So, you know, when you go to Instagram and suddenly Reese Witherspoon is commenting on every single account that you see, which is not true. But that's just mine. Reese really, really likes doing this. But as a result of that Instagram algorithm, people noticed that Ariana was also commenting on his Instagram posts a few weeks before they went public. Right. So they were together for a while. There's a lot of stuff going on in both of their worlds. Yes.

But they were together for a while. And then Ariana Grande was getting a lot of flack for Mac Miller because they had just broken up. And Pete Davidson has a whole sketch on Saturday Night Live and has spoken about how he's borderline personality disorder. I was recently diagnosed with a borderline personality disorder, a form of depression. And depression affects more than like 16 million people in this country. And there's no like cure per se. but for anyone dealing with it, there are treatments that can help. First of all, if you think you're depressed, you know, see a doctor

and talk to them about medication and also be healthy. Eating right and exercise can make a huge difference. And finally, if you're in the cast of a late-night comedy show, it might help if they, you know, do more of your sketches. And how that doesn't necessarily mean he can't date and the way that sort of mental illness was being discussed was like, basically erroneous and unfair. And at the time, they didn't seem connected, but now it seems like him almost coming to the defense of his girlfriend who's being, you know, criticized for the way she was in a relationship with someone else who might have had mental illness or a drinking issue or something like that.

So that's kind of, that was, that changes now that we are, they know they are together. And then we're not done yet because news broke this week yesterday, I believe, that they're engaged. Yes. and she's been wearing this rock for a while and kind of no one put it together. June 2nd was the first time that she was seen wearing that ring, which was that wango tango in Los Angeles. And then Us Weekly reported that Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson were telling people they were engaged on June 9th at Robert Pattinson's birthday, which is elite.

Robert Pattinson is a treasure. And then she more or less confirmed that they were together through Twitter comments. and it turns out that that ring was cost $93,000. Right. Which is wild. Yeah. So a couple things here.

Yes. Should we talk about the ring or should we talk about the timeline first of the engagement? Let's talk about the timeline. Okay. Well, listen, two months is too soon to get married.

This is just kind of, this is a non-controversial statement that I've said many times. Especially at the age of 24. Literally any age, let's not be agist. You're right. Do not get engaged. after two months. We have discussed appropriate timelines in relationships, both celebrity and

civilian, on this podcast. Yes, we have. Yes. We know where you stand. Yeah. And two months is too soon. That's fine. But I think we should talk a little bit about whether the timeline that has just been reported is actually the one that is true or whether they were secretly together for a period of time before they went public. This is where Refinery 29 comes. because there was a good article that Kaya also found for us in which it points out that we kind of are paying attention to the wrong thing. In May, we found out about Davidson and David breaking up. Right. And people became obsessed about when this actually happened.

But here's what came to light in the last couple of days. In Refinery 29, the writer is named Catherine Lindsay. She did a great job putting this all together. I'm just going to quote her here. Mm-hmm. So what happened was on May 21st, news of Davidson and Grande's budding relationship surface

on June 9th, they reportedly began telling people they were engaged. Enter the jeweler. Quote, Pete called me at the end of May and said, look, I'm getting a ring. This is what I want. Greg Yuna told E. News.

And I told him that I had the right ring for him. He didn't tell me who it was for, but told me to keep it a secret. He didn't tell me anything about it. According to Yuma, the ring took two weeks to make. So that, and Ariana Grande was first seen wearing the ring on June 2nd.

And then she goes, on to add, this means that Davidson would have called Yuna about the ring around May 19th, two days before the casual relationship was announced. And then crucially, he gave performance at Kenyon College in April 21st, where he referred to his girlfriend and saying he would be

getting engaged. People assumed that was about Cassie David. Right. But it probably was about Ariana Grande and everyone's breakups occurred earlier than we thought. Yes. We still don't know exactly when Mac Miller and Ariana Grande broke up. Right. But probably before April

21st since it was early April. Right. And I think we're meant to now understand the Kazi David BFF's post. Was it about being friends? About being friends, a forward-facing... Everything's okay here. Don't involve me in this process type situation, which I'm great with. Me too.

It seems savvy. And again, it is in keeping with the way that she uses in the way that she uses in the Instagram and they all use Instagram. Oh, I was like Cassie David is my biggest winner here. I think she comes across seeming like cool and on the joke and like normal, kind of. Yes. Kind of. I don't know.

I think it's interesting, but this makes me like her more than I used to. Yeah, I'm open to it. There are now rumors that she's in an Instagram flirtation with John Mayer, which like in terms of, oh, I'm great with this. Let's move this narrative. Go forward. If this turns out, if this develops into a Cassie David, John Mayer, like, rebound situation, wow, I'm really in. That would be great.

That is a celebrity sitcom that I am willing to watch. Is John Mayer's destiny to be everyone's rebound? I think so. I mean, has he given us evidence that he is capable of anything else? Not that I know of, no. But he seems really great in a rebound context? Yeah, I've seen him on the street I think he records in a studio around here

Because I've seen him walk down Okay Okay Handsome striking man Yeah, also tall Yeah Like Pete Davidson I think he might be taller than Pete Davidson

I love John Mayer I love his music Sure He's a great guitarist Yeah He seems like kind of goofy I'm not sure if he knows He's goofy but I'm into it

I don't know I love John Mayer So I support it I just don't know if that's Maybe he is where you go After a unfortunate breakup Maybe I can never not think about how he,

the comments about how he has a racist dick. So, which like just Google John May are racist dick. And maybe his penis has overcome that problem. Maybe it's learned. I don't know. So I can't give him like full marks. But I'm okay with him being a rebound.

Yeah. Sure. Sure. Maybe that's his, I think that might be his destiny. Yeah. Anyway. So it seems like,

I do believe that Pete Davidson and Cassie David David broke up earlier. I do too. Because otherwise this just a week makes no sense. Yeah, it has to have been way sooner than we know. And I wouldn't be telling everyone about my breakup either. So like, why should they? I am also curious whether before Coachella means even earlier than early April.

I mean, what is the level of relationship that those two have, you know, they're traveling so much anyway? It's the same thing. Yeah. I hope that is. The case. But who knows? Who knows?

Anyway, let's talk about the ring. The ring, I think, is hideous. Oh, yeah. It's absolutely. What's what that pear shape? That pear-shaped diamond is, like, in, and I'm not into it. It's what it's called, right? It's, it's certainly, yes, it is pear-shaped.

I believe it was Ruby Edmondson, a ringer, staffer who quoted sex in the city, which, when Aiden gets carry an engagement ring. It's a pear-shaped diamond with a gold band, which is received. It's not received well. And this is basically a truly insanely large pair-shaped diamond that's so large you can't even see the band. So whatever, it could be gold. I don't really care. It's not for me. Me neither.

It's also $93,000. That's insane. It's not a good use of money. I'm sorry. It's not a good use of money. Many have pointed out that Saturday Night Live salaries are not $300,000 an episode. or whatever it would take to make this a financially sustainable decision. I have no knowledge of his finances.

I did wonder whether Ariana Grande was contributing. Interesting. To the ring. Here's the thing. This seems pretty real. They seem quite infatuated with each other. They keep posting like Harry Potter clips and stuff and how they like all the same things and they're young and it's a match and I get it.

I do. Soon after the engagement was announced. they were photographed at Disneyland with Arianna's wearing the ring and the ring prominently in the Splash Mountain pictures. Or if it's not Splash Mountain, it's another ride. I'm not a Disneyland person. Don't at me. Me neither.

And I was like, there's something up here. This is not 100% natural and unstaged. And there is something also about the fact that all the ring information showed up on TMZ, which otherwise has not been in this reporting process. Oh, so you think it's like planted? I am asking the question. That's fascinating to me. I am just kind of wondering.

What's to gain from that? Well, that's kind of what I was thinking through. I don't think that this is fake. Do I think it's real? That's a different conversation about the nature of celebrity relationships and also use. And if you're under 25 years old, like we'll have a separate conversation sometime. But I don't know, I don't think that it's kind of the the totally fake set up promotional game that sometimes happens with celebrities.

I don't think it's fake either. I think it seems pretty, I think they seem pretty happy. But that TMZ wrinkle is interesting. I will say TMZ is very good at getting a lead and then tracking it down and filling in. So it's possible they got a tip and then went after this. But still, who tip them off? Right. If I was the head of a sports team or an agent,

and I was in the position to like give edicts to talent, I would say under no circumstances, may you speak to TMZ? And if you have anyone in your life who is leaking to TMZ, they have to go. Like I love TMZ as a reader. Yes. But if I was like a talent manager,

I would be so mad anytime my people showed up on there. I would just be like, no, thank you. I don't want this. No, I would agree with that. There is something about the Disneyland paparazzi photos that looked. I mean, obviously they're in a public place and they are the center of attention right now.

Yeah. I'm honestly surprised at how much attention this is getting. I think that just caught me off guard. I think some of that is generational. I really just do think some of it. Yeah. She is, to a generation just below us, really, really popular. Yeah, and she was on Disney Channel.

And so it makes sense. And it is also, it's a good celebrity gossip story. I think everyone is just like, is this real? And everyone on the, she has 121 million Instagram followers. So there are 121, I mean, some of them are bots, obviously, but a bunch of people who are watching this happen and be like, is this real? What are you doing? Should you get married? You know, there are a lot of people who are actually invested in the, is this a good idea?

Is this real? What are they doing? I want the best for them where you and I are like pretty craving about this, which I, you know, sorry if you were looking for an emotional. all. I wish them both well. Me too. I hope that they're having really great sex, and I hope that... They definitely are. Right, totally. I know that they are, but I think that's great.

And I hope that this comes to a mutually respectful and satisfying conclusion for both of them in whatever form that may take. I'm dubious that it's marriage after two months. But what do I know? You know? I need to see pictures of them together without her with her, with her signature. extensions. Yeah. Because then I'll really believe it.

That's like just... But she doesn't do that. Like, there are no pictures of her without the extensions exist. Well, maybe they should. Okay. Prove to me that this is real. Because that's like, you know, when she's just not... That's part of why the pictures look staged.

Because she's wearing her signature style. Well, again, looking at both of their Instagrams, there is just a whole visual language here that's not for us. She is... That's part of what she's doing. look staged and is black and white and then the weird filters. It's just, it's an Instagram language that I'm aware of, but not conversant in. And so I think it's working for the 120 million people who follow her.

Yeah. And that's great. I think I have to start following both of them on Instagram. I never considered it, but now I think I have to do it. It's a pretty reasonable amount of posting. Interesting. Can I get this mute button or what? Like Instagram.

Oh, you don't have it? No. Oh, I have it. You do? Oh, yeah. That's a great day for me. Oh, my God. You're so lucky.

I know. It's tremendous. Oh, my God. I'm incredibly jealous. Wow. Anyway, I wish them well. I think it's going to be fine. I hope it will be fine.

Me too. I don't think that they will get married. Who knows? I think it's, this is basically a coming of age moment for a whole generation that's not us about celebrities making rash romantic decisions and then benefiting off it in the public space. And that's great. Welcome to the table. I'm thrilled.

This is exciting for you guys. I'm thrilled to be a part of it. And it'll be fine. They probably won't get married. You're right. We wish them well. Yeah. Good luck.

And I hope that whoever sheld the money out for the ring gets their money back. Yes. That's what you need Neil Lane from The Bachelor in times like these. We're going to wrap up, but I just want to hear your two-minute review of Ocean's 8. Oh, I had a lovely time. Here's the thing. Was it as good as the original of the movies? Absolutely not.

Of course not. Do I wish that it had been directed by Steven Soderberg? Yes, I do. Do I think that Sandra Bullock and Kate Blanchett were kind of weirdly low energy, which was something you had pointed out to me and is definitely true. I completely agree. That said, I go see a lot of movies that I just don't have any interest in because of my job. Like, I just really don't care.

I would never see it. I would barely know about it if it were my job to do it. And I got to go watch a movie about a heist at the Metball starring eight women I like. Great. Sure. Let's have more of them. Let's have some that are really good and some that are really bad and some that are just like I went to the movies on a Sunday and I never thought about it again. I have thought about it more than never.

So it's great. I will watch Ocean's line. I hope Danny Ocean is still alive. I know that he is because I understand how movies and commerce work in 2018. I'm just happy for Anne Hathaway. What a star. She's very good in it. She's radiant.

Here's my biggest problem with the movie other than the fact that it's not like the art film that Ocean's Eleven is. Right. Is it also that it was spoiled by the trailers? I just didn't like give this a lot of attention. I was just like, I'm going to enjoy it and I'll just wait until it comes.

So it wasn't really spoiled for me. Okay. I have issues with it not being like a film. You know, it's a popcorn movie. But whatever. We can say it for another day. My biggest issue, the content of the movie is Anne Hathaway's hair for the Met ball.

Okay. She just wears it like a ponytail. Yes. I agree. It would mean no sense. But you know what I immediately thought of? I was like, this is some Dakota Johnson bullshit. And this is the Dakota Johnson problem, which is just not trying with your hair at all.

And thinking that you can carry it was a mess. Like I don't try with my hair, but I'm not a celebrity. Yeah. I just work in an office. I just work in the office. And if I was going to the Metball, I would at least go to Dry Bar. the very least. It wasn't even a good ponytail.

It was honestly like she put a ponytail and then took the like the entire ponytail and wrapped it around the curling iron once. So it was just one curl. It's a meme. See the curling iron one. Yeah. Like it's just, it made me really mad. I was like a.

And that does speak to the larger issue of like of the movie, which is just it's not well crafted. And that, but that was like a note that like really stuck out to me now. I was just like, what is this bullshit? Anne Hathaway would look way better. if this carriage that she's playing would also look way better from the netball. It's true. It's true. I will say that the clothes in Ocean State were better than clothes and fashion movies usually are.

That's true. And especially clothes and kind of big budget fashion movies. I also really could have done without all the cameos of people like walking on the stairs, namely the KJ family. Oh, yeah. Well, that was tough for it. Yeah, that was tough. I thought Gigi Hadid was really excited to be there and you could really tell that she has. a personality that the rest of them don't.

I thought it was interesting that both Serena and Maria Sharpova agreed to be at it. I also, I got to say, any movie that has actual Anna Winter making a joke about her own Roger Federer fandom is I can't complain. It's very weird that that exists. It's fair. That's fair. And it exists for me. I was delighted as I watched it.

Yeah. Except for the ponytail. Only after did I have some issues, but that's fine. Yeah, I would love it if quality could also be a fine. Yes, that would be really nice. I don't understand why it all. I mean, but this is true of like... We don't even need to have a long conversation about it because it's so obvious.

You know, when you said that I was thinking a lot about I worked at a women's magazine for a long time, and it's the same damn thing where it's like if as soon as it has like you slap women on the label and then it has to appeal to literally half of the world and so it gets watered down and generic and that's a stupid way to make anything or approach the world. I completely agree. I agree with you. I would say it's one of the reasons why I enjoyed the bolt type. I don't think it tries to do that.

It's like definitely a very specific show. It's trying to appeal to like internet cool people, which. Or like what your 14-year-old might think is internet cool? Yes, correct. Yes. But it's not trying to be like everything to everyone, which I like. I would agree. Did you watch any of last night?

I haven't watched it yet. There was two episodes last night. I know, I know. My TV already picked up younger, though, so it's really tough. Okay. I wish that it had been a bit more specific in the way that all of the other... Yes. The shows that you just mentioned are.

It's 2019. We can do it. But, you know, it made $40 million at the box office, which is a bad. That's great. It's a nice time. Yeah, it's fun. It's good. And I was just happy for Anna Hathaway.

She deserves to be a star. She was one. She is one. And well-earned. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Good luck to Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson. I'm Julia Lippman.

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