The Press Box - 'Bachelorette Party' — Paradise Rules, Eric's Redemption, and Way Too Many Kisses (Ep. 325)

Episode Date: June 29, 2017

The Ringer's Juliet Litman is joined by her colleague Andrew Gruttadaro to discuss a special double-episode week in 'The Bachelorette.' They talk about the new 'Bachelor in Paradise' rules following the alcohol incident (1:33), then they examine Dean and his chances to make the final three (5:00), Brian (7:35), Peter (13:00), and Eric (21:55). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I needed a little extra time this week. I've brought on my coworker, my colleague, my friend, Andrew Gritadero. Hello, Andrew. Hey, Juliet. How's up? Well, thank you. How are you? I'm pretty good.

Last time we spoke, this season hadn't even started. We were dealing with, I think, 30. It was a bright time. It was a bright time. Doesn't it feel like a different era in The Bachelorette? Yeah. Yeah, this season's been strange. It's been strange to say the least, and then there's the whole Paradise scandal on the side.

Yeah. I'm just going to actually mention a spoiler right up top. So major spoiler alert, if you don't want to hear this, I would say jump ahead two minutes, but now I'm going to share it with you, Andrew. I was looking at the Daily Mail today, as I do every day. Of course. And there was an article about Paradise filming. And first of all, some of the new rules in Paradise following the investigation into DeMario include you can only have two drinks per hour, which is a lot. Still a lot.

Still plenty. Like, if you have six drinks over the course of three hours, like what's your level of intoxication like? I'm like, I should maybe think about going home. Yeah, like, mine's very high at that point. I remember in college they were like, only have one drink per hour. and then drink a water. Yeah, so that's the alcohol E.D. Recommendation.

So one drink per hour plus water, but this is still two drinks per hour, no water necessary. So they're still really drunk, particularly like the small women, like who, you know, it's ridiculous. That's not, it's not a good bandaid at all. That's not preventing drunkenness. But the other rule is, by the way, I haven't even gotten to the spoilers yet. I just might want to be clear. The other rule is if you want to have sex, you have to tell a producer. and the producer has to like okay it in advance to make sure that the person, the people having

sex are able to consent. And like, I guess that's a good rule, but I can't imagine asking for permission to have sex. Or like, what if you're like in the moment, you have to pause and be like, hey, let's wait a second. Yeah, I mean, I have no idea how it usually happens on the shows. So it's hard for me to speak on, but it does seem extremely awkward. What a buzzkill. Have to ask a third party?

Yeah. That's really weird. Not great. It's really weird. I kind of always think there's actually less sex on the show than they would have you believe, just because it's awkward to begin with. Right. Like to get away from the camera. So, okay.

Anyway, so I learned this from The Daily Mail. And while I was reading this article, I also saw some photos of people hanging out in the pool. And I'm pretty sure. I'm not positive, but I really think I saw Dean. I really do. Ooh. That makes a lot of sense to me. Does it?

Did you think he was paradise bound? I just think I love Dean and I think like Rachel's super likes Dean but in a he's hot and young kind of way yeah and because he's hot and young he seems kind of equipped to just transition straight to paradise that's true he's he's 26 I think and he lives in Venice California which is like kind of the bro zone of L.A. Yeah and he's he's just kind of like a chill guy doesn't have thoughts on anything that's true It's true. We don't know a ton about him, except he had a bit of a sad story with his mom.

And he just, he seems like blank enough to go to Paradise, I guess. A lot of people have been comparing him to my favorite NBA player, Chandler Parsons, which like I just kind of find offensive. Do you think he, I don't know of how familiar are if what Chandler looks like. Yeah, no, I can, from a look standpoint, I can kind of see it. Yeah. I want to say Chandler would be great in Paradise, just for the record. I agree.

I don't know. He, at the NBA All-Star Break, went on. like a trip to Cancun with his friends that he called Chan Cun. So that's definitely the kind of behavior they would like in Paradise. I think he went on a date with Bell of Thorn. Yes, he did. That's correct. Very correct.

Okay. Spoiler section over. Now we can talk about this week's episode. Let's just talk about Dean, honestly. I think I saw him in Paradise. But if I hadn't told you that, like we didn't get a lot of him this week. We had two episodes and there still was not a lot of Dean. What does that say for his chances to make it to Final Three?

Yeah, before these last two episodes, I was like, I think Dean might actually win. Yes, she seemed high on him. Yeah, I was just getting like serious vibes from Rachel. But after these, I think he's gone next episode. Yeah, I don't know if he can really hang much longer. He didn't get any play in like the two most essential episodes. Like they're finally out of the country. And if you're getting air time outside of the U.S., that means something.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and like this was the week where that switch happens between, like, frivolity and kind of, like, people actually getting down to serious talk. Yeah. And he's not a part of it at all. It's true. Yeah, Roger wrote about that. Like, the show kind of, like, course corrected after an extremely belabored, horrible, like, fake fight between, or maybe it was real. I don't know.

Whatever the Lee and Kenny business situation was. Horrible. Finally over, because they're both gone. And their dean was nowhere to be seen, really. I'm with you. I thought he had a lot of potential, but then, I don't know, as she's, like, making her hard decisions if he can't get any airtime, I don't think we're going to get much more of him, unless it's in paradise. Yeah, I think his peak was, like, washing dirt off of himself with a hose in, like, week three, whenever that was. Dean did have one important contribution to this show, which is, I think he had the first date where Rachel was drinking champagne, and basically on every date since she's, like, begun it by opening a bottle of champagne. Have you noticed that?

Yeah, yeah. I noticed specifically when she and Eric were in a hot tub this week out in the open and everyone was drinking beer, but they were drinking champagne. So it kind of stuck out to me that that seems to be a prerogative first. Yeah, I like it, though. I was thinking about what drink I would choose if I was like on the show because I think you kind of tell them like your preferences and they cater to them. I think I would probably choose champagne.

Like I don't want to like crack open a beer in the middle of my date. Yeah, beer's too heavy, you know. Yeah, boxy down. Right. Yeah, I agree with champagne. Yeah, I mean, what are the other options? Just like regular wine, I guess? Wine, yeah, and like you're not going to just be hammering whiskey all day. I know. You can tell they switch to whiskey at night.

Like, whiskey is like only for when the sun goes down. Yeah. Basically. Okay, so if Dean is out, who do you have Rising this week? You know, obviously Brian is, to me, I think Brian is my frontrunner. Brian's your front runner. Interesting. Brian has a very specific move.

I'm glad you highlighted him because Brian's move is asking for a kiss, like, immediately. I got a couple of clips. Let's listen to them. Seriously, this is the craziest experience I've ever had. Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss. No, no, I can't. Come on. Okay, okay.

First thing's first. I missed you too. Okay, so in that first clip, Rachel and Brian are suspended in an air. They're like repelling or something. Honestly, I was just like, what's this date? It was a weird date. What was that? I don't know.

I don't want to be pushed to my limits on a date. Like, I just want to be comfortable. Yeah, it looked extremely scary. And, like, I was trying to figure out what their insurance was because it seemed that they were in control of how quickly they were repelling. But I can't imagine, like, if that one of them just let go, they would have just, like, dropped 200 feet. But, yeah, it was stressful.

Super stressful. And in the middle of like this stress, like Rachel's clearly freaking out. Brian turns to her and goes, give me a kiss, kiss, come on. And like, dude. She said no. Yeah. And she said no. That's an incredible moment of rejection.

I loved it. I was like, wow, that's a real blow. But also like, what's his deal that he needs to have a kiss and like hanging in midair? That's his thing, though. Like since day one, his way to connect to Rachel has just been by slobbering all over her face. He's a really weird kisser. I've seen his tongue so many times this season. I can't handle it.

It kind of looks like he's like sucking her whole chin area too when they make out. It's really weird. I can't stand it. But like he, to me, he's really good at this because every time he has a conversation with her, he seems to like have a plan. And he starts it off by saying like something extremely vague but somewhat like loving. and nice and she immediately's like, yeah, like we just had a really good conversation. Totally.

Yeah, she seems really into it. She's like somehow like intoxicated by him or something. I don't know. I guess it's a good sign for him. And then they also had like a second moment, which we, the other one we just heard, he also asked for a kiss and they're like on the couch during a cocktail party. And that whole exchange was weirdly edited. It's like it made it seem short, but I actually think it was pretty long because like

she starts out the conversation like pretty together. and then there's an et, there's like a weird splice, and you hear her, like, you see her, like, whisper to him, like, do you think my family, you do think your family will accept me? And she seems a lot more drunk there, and he's like, yes, we're so open. And it's just like another one of those moments of, on this season, a very, like, coded language because there's no other way to talk about, there's no, like, language to talk about race. And it was weird to me because of the edit. Like, I actually don't think that's such a weird thing for her to say, you know what I mean? But the way that it was edited together just seemed so forced.

And also she just seemed kind of drunk by the end. Yeah, it goes in because they have like, they're having this somewhat serious conversation. Then he kind of like giggles and immediately kisses her. I, is he, is Brian the first guy this season to use the L word? Yes, I think he is. So I was trying to find stats on this and I couldn't really, but who. Good effort.

What? Do you have any knowledge of, like, who, like, how that goes for the first guy to drop the love? You know, I don't. Great question. I'm going to have to research that. We'll update on Twitter. I don't know, but I think it kind of varies. I think it's just sort of, like, more of a perfect way.

There's sort of, like, various ways you could say it. Like, I think there's that I think I'm falling for you, or there's, like, I could see my, myself loving you or whatever. And you have to be very delicate because you don't want to come on too strong, but you have to make a clear that like it could happen. And Brian's methods are just a little too aggressive, but she might like that. Right now it seems like she's into it. I think she's very into how into it he at least appears. Well, one of the things we learned about her this week is that she doesn't like to show emotion or talk about emotion, which is bizarre for someone who chose to.

go on this show. But it's like if he's so aggressive and like taking up all the airspace, then she doesn't have to do any work. She doesn't have to say that I love you or anything. Right. Yeah. It almost seems like like sometimes when they're together, it sort of seems like he's the bachelor and she's like trying to vie for his. That's a great point. Good insight. Yeah, I agree with that. Do you think he could be the bachelor or do you think he's going to win? Yeah. So I think he absolutely could be the bachelor. I think maybe his, the way that he's, he's so 100% in could like blow up in his face in some hugely dramatic and heartbreaking fashion and that would pave the way.

Interesting. Him next season. I think the front runner for Bachelor right now is Peter. Peter from Wisconsin. That's also an extremely good choice. Yes, thank you. Peter came out really strong. She was really into him in the beginning.

And she seems really attracted to him, but she doesn't have, I don't know if she has like a and emotional connection with him that she seems to with Brian. Although I wouldn't say she's really emotionally connecting with any of them. However, I will say she kind of propositioned him this week and I liked it. Let's roll this clip. What took you so long? I don't know. I just want to keep kissing it.

Well, do it. I can't. No, no, no, no. Why can't you? Because we have so much ground to cover. Do you want to cover it in the hot tub? Let's do it. Okay.

So that's Rachel in the middle of a cocktail party, not even a one-on-one. being like, let's go in the hot tub. And there's an entire outfit change. A lot of questions about the logistics, obviously, because Peter was dressed in, like, you know, a nighttime cocktail party outfit. He conveniently had a bathing suit, so does she. They go into what I would say is,

like, maybe the world's smallest hot tub, bathtubs aside. Yeah. It basically was a bathtub that was just outdoors. Yeah. I was so confused. Like, did they, is that actually a hot tub? was just heated water.

I was very, very, a lot of questions popped up over that one. Yeah, that was like a European thing maybe. Yeah, that's a good point. Like the bathrooms are just a little bit different over there. And all associated vessels, basically. Yeah. But she was just, and she was just all, they were all over each other. Oh, yeah.

It was definitely the most intense makeout of the season. Yeah, and even before that, she was kind of like, when are you going to just start making out with me? Yeah. Yeah, I think Peter, I think she is super into him, but he's kind of playing it much slower than Ryan for comparison's sake. He feels, his thing feels a little realer to me. Peter's smooth. When he walked back into the cocktail party, when they were like, bro, you've gone for three hours.

He just, he didn't say anything. He just didn't say a word, which I loved. It was very cool. He played the handball date extremely well. Yeah. Like everyone was like competing with each other and he was just goofing around with Rachel. I know. He was like, I'm just not even going to try here.

Well, that's like I think a good sign of success, which maybe could mean that he wins because he kind of doesn't need to feel like he has to play the game. He just kind of goes with it. He's just like above it. And Peter met her dog and the dog was into it too. That's true. I think Peter is clearly the most handsome person on the show. Yeah.

Yeah, his shades of gray thing is working. It really is working. They're both slightly older, which makes me like both of them as well. I'm like, yeah, this makes more sense. I don't know. I have a strong vibe about Peter. He just seems like, I don't know, he just seems like Bachelor material. He's a little bit coy in a good way.

And he won't get too excited about her, but like you can tell there's something there so they can really play up the heartbreak one if it doesn't work out. Yeah. I don't know. I'm into him. He's my favorite, even though I think he seems like completely boring. Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. He's, he's just, he's just cool. I don't know. He's just, he has a normal vibe that you don't really get too much on this show. Totally. I have one other contender that I will share with you, but let's first talk about our sponsors. Before we talk more Bachelorette and the other

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week? Yes, I believe it was. All right. So like that, I thought that was a good move, but I was still like, who are you? Who's the stranger running away with Rachel? she must dislike so many of them that she had to keep a few and this is like who she got like no you can't just eliminate 12 guys tonight not everyone can go but she definitely I like when she doesn't have a cocktail party because it's like she clearly just can't even bear to talk to them they're like too irritating to her um so yeah that reminds me that something i've been wanting to ask you oh great i feel like this show has more and more been getting away from rose ceremonies in general Yeah.

Is that, do you think that's because the Bachelor and Bacheloretts are just like becoming more autonomous? I think it's because they are kind of like breaking away from the typical structure where it ends every weekend of Rose ceremony or whatever. And so as a result, it just becomes like less important to their actual storytelling or I think they're like more or I think like when they're shooting, they're more okay with a break in the usual system. because they know, like, kind of like know how to account for it now. And it's almost like there is like a certain formula, but then there's also ways that if they feel comfortable deviating. So I think one of them is like by jettisoning the rose ceremony. The other byproduct of that, though, means like way less Chris Harrison. Like he's honestly barely on this show.

We joke about it a lot, but he's been on this so, so little. It's kind of nuts. Yeah, you never see him anymore. He doesn't have to be on it. Yeah. And there hasn't, there haven't really been any moments where he needs to like meet Rachel on a pier and ask her how she's feeling about. No. And the one time where he kind of like offered his services with the DiMario thing a few episodes ago, she was like, no, I got this.

Like she doesn't really need him. Doesn't need his counsel. Yeah, I think, I don't know when it started, maybe like around Andy Dorfman's season. But I think they're just sort of realizing that they have a little more. power and that they can dictate the way that the season goes. Yeah, I guess so. It's interesting. Also, like with someone like Rachel and someone like Nick, they're so much more dynamic,

they don't really need the same kind of prodding that Chris Harrison would offer in other times, you know? It's a different era. It is totally a different era. I also just can't even, I can't really think of another time when like two meaningless people, like Adam and Matt, made it to the top six. Because they are not a part of this show. No.

And maybe like Dean is going to go on hometowns because those two guys are so like random. Process of elimination. Yeah, exactly. The one guy who really like kind of came up this week, who we, this is six of six is Eric. And he had a one-on-one, which seemed really fun. They went to, they had a one-on-one in Norway or Sweden. I can't remember which one it was. And he greeted her on the dock.

She came like on a boat. And I really enjoyed how he greeted her. Let's roll this clip. Hey, girl. We're here. Yeah. Yeah, I see you. How you feeling?

You look great and all great. I'm good. You look good, too. Can I get in? No. I'm going to come to you. Slag, swag, swag, swag. Come on.

I got you. Okay, okay, okay. Give me a hug. Eric's just like, he's just himself all the time. He's really sweet. I don't know. I really like him. Yeah, I like him too.

He came on drawing this week, or I guess on Tuesday, a night two of two. Yeah. Aside from saying swag all the time, he also just says we're here all the time. Which is like a good thing to say, I guess. He's a man of catchphrases. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

Also, as they were riding a roller coaster, he like pulled out a Kevin Garnett kind of thing and yelled out, life is beautiful. But like in the same tenor that Kevin Gannett said anything is possible. I loved it. It was incredible. I liked it too. He's just as different than like basically I've rather gone in this show. Yeah.

And I honestly thought he got a really bad rap at the beginning of this year. Totally. Also, they made him seem like controversial because he was the first one to fight with Lee basically because he was the one who was yelling like, get my name out of your mouth. But he's actually not controversial at all. He just seems fairly normal. He also voices, I think, a lot of concerns that the show wants to have out there. Like, when he was saying, like, he also, like, talked about race this week, where he was, like, he was talking about how she's gone on more one-on-ones with white guys versus black guys.

And, like, he actually is more thoughtful about a lot of the race stuff than pretty much anyone else on the show. And I don't even know if that's necessarily, like, to his credit, though, because of the editing has just been so appalling. but he does serve like a useful he's like a useful narrator in a lot of ways that we're like otherwise are really lacking. Yeah, I think as like wild as he seemed on this one-on-one date this week, he does like seem to be able to switch over

and be serious when he needs to be. Yeah, which also makes me like him. Yeah, yeah, he's good. He seems good. I think he'll probably, he's got to go top four. Like you can't give someone that much air time towards the end of the season and then not have them make it to the end.

Yeah, I think he's definitely going to hometowns. I'm a little, I don't really know what's going to happen after that, though. Yeah, he's getting like the Catherine Juducci at it, which is the woman that Sean Love picked. She was like not on the show until the second half of the season, and then she won. So, you know, maybe he could win. I'm not sure.

She seems really into Brian, though. It's just so hard to believe she doesn't pick Brian. I know. The kissing, the kissing attacker. That's a really mean way of saying it. The man who loves to kiss, must kiss all the time. He kind of looks like a more handsome Joey Fetone. Oh my God, great points.

I didn't see that before. Oh my God, that is so true. Wow, wow, wow. It's really, now that you've said that I can't unsee it. I'm sorry. Eric and Rachel were also in like another, questionable hot tub situation. They were in the middle of a teg a town in a hot tub. That was again kind of small, but looked like a regular hot tub. But like it was right next to all these other hot tub.

So it wasn't like a private situation. Yeah, it seemed like a city sanctioned thing. It was like a group hot tub hang, which on one hand, I was like, that seems kind of cool and fun. And then on the other hand, I was like, maybe that's just really awkward. And like, is that a dirt, is that hot tub dirty? Yeah. I'm also like, I'm trying to imagine if they did it in New York City. Oh, God. be the worst thing. Like in Times Square? Yeah.

Oh my God, no. Got to put a lot of chlorine in that water. It doubts it. Well, a man did stand up and was seemingly all the way naked. That's what made it seem like it. I wonder if that's really what happened. They just knowing the Bachelor that would edit that way. Who knows?

Although Rachel did say to him to Eric after it's your turn now, like joking. So that made it seem like that was real. But who really knows? I don't know. I'm just really in on Eric. I like him. Also, I think I'm not sick of him because we've gotten so much of these other dudes who were kind of leading the way. And I'm like, oh, good, he's new.

Fresh blood. I like it. Good stuff. Yeah, I would be all for him winning. I think he would be a joy. Totally. If he won. I think he'd be a good bachelor, too.

I think because of his catchphrases, he'd be saying weird things over and over. Yeah. I hadn't thought about it, but I would like to see how he handles himself when the rules are reversed. He's kind of like the anti-wall. He's sort of like, not the anti-war. type of Waboom, but stealing Waboom's lunch. Like, he's swag, swag, swag, swag. And that's like, that's the role that Wabom wanted for himself, you know.

Still the organic catchphrase. Yeah, exactly. It works out so much better this way. Andrew, what's your overall rating of the season so far? I, out of 10, I would probably give it like a four. Wow, four. It's just this week after the second episode, when I realized that there were only six guys left, I was like, what has happened?

entire season. I know. Like, did we lose six weeks of our lives? What happened here? Yeah, and just, you know, they got so bogged down in the Lee stuff. I know. Just brutal. Yeah, and they played it wrong.

I mean, not to say that they shouldn't be having these conversations about race on the show, but they kind of played it in traditional bachelorette form. Yeah, they're not meaningful, cool conversations. And it was like, I don't need to see this, like, for drama's sake. And then that ended and it was like, oh, there's still people here. Right. So yeah, it's been kind of a slog.

I'm ready for it to kind of straighten out. I know. I hope these last few weeks are good. The thing that sucks is Rachel's awesome. Like she has been awesome in this hotel the whole time. Yeah, incredible. But the guys are just duds and they are just not that interesting. I think that's one of the reason the Lee thing was so bad,

or just so, I mean, it was bad for a lot of reasons that I've discussed quite a bit, but also just like there's nothing redeeming about him or like there's no way to kind of like wonder if you could be on his side. It's just like usually when there's a, when there's like a fight between two characters, like last season with Corinne and Taylor, like you could, you could make a convincing case for either one, but this was just a whole other level of like ugly and just a real bummer. I just really wanted to celebrate Rachel, and I feel bogged down, like you said. Yeah, maybe now.

I assume, like, one more guy will have an out-of-control moment. I hope so. Where he either for, like, sadness reasons or something like that. And Rachel really shines in those moments. I know. She's so composed and poised. It's incredible. She does handle conflict very well.

It's so great. I love watching it. Totally. Andrew, thanks for joining me today. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks to everyone for listening. And we will be back next week on Wednesday, July 5th, because of the July 4th holiday. Happy July 4th and have a great Bachelorette-filled weekend.

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