The Press Box - 'Bachelorette Party' — Rachel's Hometown and Fantasy Suites With Rodger Sherman (Ep. 335)

Episode Date: July 27, 2017

The Ringer's Juliet Litman is joined by her colleague and 'Bachelor' enthusiast Rodger Sherman to discuss this week's episode, including Rachel's hometown experience and the show's trip to Spain. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Again, the show is called Talk the Throne. and you can stream it live after the East Coast airings of Game of Thrones season seven on our Twitter and Periscope at Ringer. Welcome to Bachelor at Party, part of the Ringer podcast network. I'm Juliet Littman. It was supposed to be Fantasy Suite's week, and I'm feeling pretty pissed off. So the only person I want to talk to you right now is the Ringers Bachelorette recapper, Mr. Roger Sherman. Hello, Roger. Thank you for having me.

Of course. I'm mad. That's the truth. I thought it was Fantasy Suites week. And Rachel's sister had to get pregnant and then time her almost birth with when the fantasy suites should be. So they had a format change, which meant we spent like the first hour plus of this week's episode in Dallas with the Lindsay family. How did you feel about that, Roger? Well, yeah, there was one third of the weird lead up to sex that we were expecting.

We expected three awkward leadups to sex and then shots of people with a shirt or pajamas out of the morning. and instead it only happened once, which, you know, it throws the whole thing for a loop. That's supposed to be a whole episode. They shoot fireworks when the sex is happening. You know, they do the shots of the door closing. So they mixed it up, and it also means that we'll get the fantasy suites are sort of pushed into the season finale next week. Right. Which, I mean, I like that experience as its own little.

self-contained package of like awkward, you know, toying around with the idea that these people are finally getting to interact with each other in intimate ways. Well, thank you for saying intimate. The way they discuss it is, I think intimate alone time. That's the official phrase, which is just so absurd. I'm happy that's kind of like where we've landed because it's the dumbest way they could possibly say it.

Maybe alone time, but intimate alone time is like, pretty hilarious. The one overnight that we got to see the lead up to was Eric's date, which to me means Eric's out. There's no way. I mean, it's just, it's clear that Eric's not winning for a lot of reasons. What to you would be like the, the clearest indication that Eric does not win? Well, yeah, the fact that they sort of, you know, had him in there as the sort of ending of the

other episode as opposed to the, you know, lead into the more dramatic parts of the finale, I think is a pretty good indicator. Yeah. I don't know. He's just considerably more normal than the other two contestants at this point. The other two are both, like, branched out onto these weird limbs of, like, what level of relationship they are with Rachel. And they're very psyched up about that. And Eric, on the other hand, is just acting like sort of a normal person, which is automatic red flag.

Brian threw some serious shade at Eric this week when he was like, this is a really big deal for him. He hasn't met anyone's family in seven years. Brian's a dick. I'm ready to say it. Brian is rude. I did not appreciate that on Eric's behalf. And I just feel like they really overstate on this show, like, how bad it is when someone, like, hasn't been in a relationship in, like, the last, like, two years, basically. It's kind of like you have cancer.

if you haven't met someone's family in the last two years. Yeah, they really treat it like there's something wrong with this human. He can't be ready for this. He, like, you know, maybe he just, maybe it's not his fault. Right. Or maybe he just like, he takes relationships seriously. He doesn't want to rush into it, although his time on The Bachelor would indicate otherwise. But still, it's possible.

I think they can frame any, like, set of circumstances at a person's life as a huge red flag. Like if you've just gotten out of a big relationship, they're like, oh, I'm just not sure that he's in the right mindset. Maybe he's doing this because he just got out of the big relationship. No matter what has happened in your life, they will find a way to show the lead talking and play dramatic music where they talk about how, you know, they're having doubts. Yeah.

They're having doubts because, you know, because your parents got. divorced. Right. Does this person know that that happens to a lot of people. It didn't have anything to do with them. I know. It's not your fault as like a child or you know of a divorce. It's never your, it's not your fault. I mean, I think that was just an example of the things that they. Sure. We're not trying to target children of divorce here out of this podcast. No, it's like pretty much any situation. In in Brian's case, there are a lot of things that I actually do sort of consider to be weird red flags. Okay, I know where this is going, and let's talk about it.

Brian is uncomfortably obsessed with his mother. What the fuck? Yeah, that's, there's some weirdness there. A lot of things about Brian strike me as weird. Let's just explain the mother situation. The, the tensest moment between Brian and Rachel's family was when he was explaining to that the most important person in his life is his mother. and then Rachel's family was like, well, if there's a dispute between wife and mother,

whose side do you pick? And it was like drawn out until ultimately they were like, he would choose the wife, of course. And the fact that it was even a conversation is like the reddest of flags. There's nothing else the other two could do that wouldn't be a right or redder flag than that. That's absurd. Well, also the previous week when he was with his mom, the loyalty conversation came up too. his mom was like you can't take a man away from his mother to Rachel basically and she like so yeah there's there's something going on there and he hinted that his his ex-girlfriend's relationship ended

because of friction with the mob so there's mom stuff that's that's that's an understatement if I were Rachel I'd be really freaked out by that I don't know I just think it's alarming to say the least. And, you know, the other thing is he's, he's 37 and there's nothing wrong with being 37 and single. But if you're 37 and single and also immediately tell people that you're in love with them, like instantly, have you been doing that for your entire life? Like, has he been telling every woman that he's met one month after meeting them? You know, I love you. I love your family. You're perfect. Because if so, the. I don't. he's scaring people off or something has got horribly wrong or, you know, maybe he's just

extremely insincere because he's on a television show and acting differently that he has previously because he's on TV. Also, just a suggestion. Are you telling people that you love them and that also your mother's the most important person in their life? Because that's a bad one-two combo if I have to, if I have to say, you know? That's just not appealing. Great mom, though.

Big fan of the mom. I like how she like semi-seriously threatened to kill Rachel if she crossed her son. And then they laughed. And then there was no real resolution. They went, ha, ha, ha. And then, you know, the threat of the murder was still up in the air. She never took it back. There's a non-zero chance that this season of The Bachelorette ends like a Shakespearean play

where Brian's mom comes and kills Rachel. That's the ending you're going to script. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't explain how we've seen Rachel in public since then, but I don't know. CGI will they figure out this sort of stuff. They don't, maybe they would have sold it earlier in the season, but I don't know. Peter also was taking shots at Brian. I don't know if you caught that, but this is much discussed on social as well.

What did you say? People from Miami have fake asses, fake boobs, and fake cheeks. Yeah. So, Roger, you have family in Florida, don't you? Yes. My dad's side of my family is Jewish and Cuban. Nice. And that's where those two communities intersect entirely.

In Southern Florida. Two great cuisines, by the way, Jewish and Cuban. Are we really going to hype up Jewish cuisine to the people? I like it. I like a good, I like a good pastrami sandwich. I have it's it's it's it's not great I'll go with Cuban over okay sure but there's I just want to say that you put those

together you get a lot of you could get some good things happening except that's all the Cuban stuff that involves pork I guess my family doesn't care about that they eat pork my Cuban family cool great so how were you offended by Peter's assessment of Brian's family I mean well it was just of people in Miami in general Sure. And I believe there is some sincerity in the South Florida region.

There are also several fake body parts. I'm confused by the cheeks, though. And I was hoping you could talk me through that because was he talking because he already specified fake asses. Right. And then he said fake cheeks. Right. That's a weird. I mean, cheek implants are.

Was he talking about the butt cheeks? Are a thing. And some saw that a shirt. shots at Brian. He does have very prominent cheeks, but I don't, I don't know, I saw pictures with him because Brian's been around the, around the way in the reality world. He's been on previous reality shows. And I didn't, I'm, I'm pretty into Googling plastic surgery. Like, I noticed, um, Megan Markle of, of Prince Harry and Suits fame has a very similar nose to Mascende on Game of Thrones. So I was Googling plastic surgery this week because I was like,

they were born the same nose or do they have the same plastic surgeon? Probably, probably the same plastic surgeon. So I was like, you know, I look for these signs when I watch people on TV, and it never really occurred to me that Brian had fake cheeks. It looks like pretty natural on his face. But I feel like Peter was trying to, so the theory is that Peter was trying to imply that. But I don't know if Peter's really someone who's like thinking about that. Although I don't know. He's referencing fake boobs, fake cheeks, fake asses. Can I put you on the spot as both a bachelor and expert on other people's plastic surgery? Who is your favorite example of Bachelor-contested plastic surgery? Jojo, hands down.

Her boobs got a lot of attention while she was at The Bachelorette, and there was a lot of discussion about it if they were fake or not, and I think they are fake. Did it change in between her stint as a, so it remained? It was pre-reality, TV. I think if she has real boobs, I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure they're fake. I love when people go on the show and then realize they're semi-famous and need to get the IG following up.

Yeah, and they come back with new boobs. When they're on Bachelor in Paradise, and it's like that's entirely different human being. Totally. There are three aspects of their face that are not the same as they were three months ago. Yeah, I think weight loss is also really common, and I really get that. I think if I was on TV and then had to watch myself for 10 weeks,

I probably would stop eating entirely. So I really got that. Or it would be like a liquid diet, all smoothies all the time. The Kanye West insured for breakfast, boosts, boost for dessert. And they're always eating pretty good stuff on the show. Oh yeah. And drinking.

Don't forget the drinking. That is... Yes, that is... That is a lot of cows, a lot of empty cows, as they say. It's tough having to suddenly become famous after all the eating and drinking that you do in your first brush with fame. I know. It's so hard.

Of all of the fake drama, who would you say made the best impression on Rachel's family? You know, it's funny. I liked how Peters, I actually really cannot possibly commit to your daughter play, sort of kind of like piqued their interest in him. I know. It's like, wow, this is so genuine. It's so genuine how he doesn't care for her in the way that everyone else does. Like he's not faking for TV.

But that's just a weird tactic. on his part. On the other. And then we learned that his parents got married after they were dating for one month. You'd think he'd want to jump right in. Yeah. Or understand that that's a thing that happens. I know, but he was like, he's the most cautious of them all.

He's, I don't know. Like, it's not like there's this expectation that everyone in this position gets married. Like, he, everyone, virtually everyone who wins this show ends up breaking their word within, you know maximum the three years but he's setting himself up so cautiously that like you don't need to do this my friend you can just go into it and and say you're deeply in love like everyone else and then break up and no one will think you're well we'll think less of him but it's it's not uncommon at all you're just like everybody else but he's he's making sure to set up for some sort of weird

how long has it been since there wasn't a proposal at the end of the series? It's been a while. I think the last one without a proposal Brad perhaps Brad won obviously It was a thing that used to happen somewhat regularly

and now I feel like you know we got to get Neil Lane on here. Totally. Can't have can't waste Neil's appearance no clearly he doesn't have lot of free time and this is very precious to him those few seconds he he gets every season.

Peter, I think Rachel seems into Peter and she just doesn't, he just doesn't see that into her. He first of all seems very stressed out. He's gone gray over the course of the season, which first of all, I like. I think it makes him more attractive. I didn't notice that. Did you or did you not? I didn't notice that. Maybe he just left his like Just for Men back in Wisconsin? It's like an Obama situation. He's stressed out, you know? I don't know. He just All the pressure of being on this show is really getting at him. Those are the two most stressful things, president and person who is in the running to win the bachelorette. He just doesn't seem, he doesn't seem like elated.

Brian is definitely, Brian and Eric are way more invested in Rachel than Peter seems to me. He just like, once is the last time Peter was like excited about something. I can't think of it. The first time, when they got into the dog sled, he really liked the dogs and the dog sled. and he really liked the dogs when they went on the dog date. He's just always surrounded by puppies, which you'd think would make him the happiest person. It would with me.

But I don't know. It's not doing it for him. Eric seems the happiest. He just always seems like he's having a great time. I know. But you want to know what? Rachel's really not into him. Just her body language and the way that she talks to him was really rough.

Like at one point, we'll play the clip in a second. But at one point, she was like, he was like, what do you like, what do you like? about me and she's like, yeah, you're pretty good. And I was just like, oof, that kind of like humor is like a deflection. But here, let's roll the clip. You'll be great. As long as you're yourself, you'll be great. You know, I want them to see what I see in you.

What do you see? I mean, you're all right. Just all right. Yeah. Um, okay. So like that's, if I'm Eric, I'm not into that. Like, I feel like we're pat. They should be past the point where she's like playful.

And that's just a deflection, if you ask me. Yeah, but he seems to be a joy. enjoying just being there, which I went too. It looked really pretty in Spain and stuff. It looked pretty. That was a very pretty little monastery they went to off on the cliff. They looked great. And there was champagne. Yeah, I know you want to talk about the wine scene in Spain. We'll get to that. But first, let me talk about our sponsors this week. Our first sponsor this week is, of course, Hotel Tonight. It's an awesome app that helps you find amazing hotel deals at the last minute. It sounds counterintuitive, but unlike flights, hotel rates usually get cheaper at the last minute,

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Okay, let's play that clip. He was open. You're approaching it from an emotional person. You are? No, I'm not. Take a second. No, I'm not. Hold on. Your reaction to your mother right now is extremely emotional. No, I don't understand why. So she's trying to explain it right now. And I don't understand you neither, though. Okay, that's like not how I want anyone in my family to talk to me, particularly when I'm the center of a television show and when I'm going through the very stressful activity of bringing three guys home. Like, brother-in-law, back off, dude. Don't tell me to calm down or relax. Like, I'll feel how I want to feel.

Um, they were, I don't think they were the worst family. No. They, they seemed like they, they had her interests and they weren't overwhelmingly excited about being on TV as families often are. And yeah, the brother-in-law a little much, maybe. He still, he stole the show on Nick season, too, if you recall. He was like, yes. He's very assertive. He, like, wants, he wants the camera time.

Uh, and the, this, um, the sister. although disappointing that she's decided to take part in the miracle of human life and, you know, have a child when there's a more important season of The Bachelorette happening. But she was very good at, well, she called Brian out, which was great. I was very proud of her when she was just like, like, yeah, everything you're saying in three minutes seems to be like I've learned everything I need to know about you and you're extremely insincentive. year. Yeah, I know. They saw through him, I think. It took me like four episodes to do that. And those episodes are edited. She did it in person. I was like, good job. If you watch the whole season, you'll find out that you're right. I just have a real aversion to Brian. I cannot deal with him. I actually feel bad about how mean I am about him, but he's just so smarmy and like,

I can't. You were one of the first. I think you called it like, like, yeah, right towards the beginning. But you know what? Hypothetically, so did Rachel. She said when I first saw you, I thought you were a douchebag. She said that. She's still given the first impression rose, though. So I guess she likes douchebags, but we're supposed to gather from that. Yeah, that is true. But I got the sense that she was saying like it seemed like an act. And after 10 weeks or so, she's assessed that it's not an act. And the rest of us all disagree. Led first and foremost by Juliet

Litman. Thank you. Thanks, Raj. No, I'll give you credit for this. All I've got is my sense of character, you know. All I've got to go on. Give me your best theory on where Rachel's dad is. So, yeah, so the story with that is he's a judge.

He's a very important judge. He's a federal judge in Dallas. Busy job. Yes. So last year they went to Dallas. and he didn't appear and they said, look, he was just busy with work. We like guarantee he'll be on when Rachel is the Bachelorette. But this time they had three times as many opportunities to get him and he was not there.

Zero times. He met zero of the guys on camera at least. Yeah. Either he is judge it up a storm, which is likely because judging sounds difficult. It's like being a lawyer, but more? being a yeah i mean first of all some judges are elected so i don't know if those are but so there's a lot no federal judge is appointed appointed you're right like i feel like like we're currently going through um yeah so there's either or he hates the bachelorette which i would also understand or maybe he just

doesn't want to be on tv or maybe he's like self-conscious i think it's probably more likely that he's not allowed to because of his his job but they did basically say like like he will uh he will be on the show. Like he's excited about his daughter doing all this. I'm, I mean, I'm open to the idea that there is, you know,

you've got to put on the robes. You've got to hear the cases. You've got to decide the cases. That's a lot of work. That takes up weekends. But they, I feel like they were also there on a weekend. They said they,

it's impossible to tell. I just, well, said they were going to go to church, which you could do at a weekday too, of course, but I assumed it was a Sunday setting. It's fascinating how much church is a part of Rachel's life, not because that's like abnormal or weird, but I can't really think of a previous contestant or a lead who was like so genuinely religious or like invested in that, their community. There certainly have been, I guess Sean Lowe, like there certainly have been other people in this universe who are religious and

go to church or whatever. But I, I think. think it's like so much more foundational for her and it's been actually kind of interesting to see that kind of come up on the show they brought it up like ben ben is pretty christian yes he is and and talks about it a lot on off off camera you know on social media and stuff but yeah um yeah her they went to her church last year uh she took dean on a date to church which must have been a little odd because his father converted to Sikhism I know and is like loaded for him that's a good I didn't think about that. Yeah.

But no, it's interesting the way they framed that. And they hinted it going again. Definitely, like, tells you more about her than the normal date activity. You know, I would never consider that as a date, you know, or religious. Yeah, I know. Like early. And she's not an early on date. Give it a couple of weeks, a couple months.

Even if it is a part of your life. Totally. So it's interesting the way they've. chosen to, not just that she's pursued that, but that they've chosen to go with it. Maybe also we just don't understand. Like, because maybe, you know, like, I'm not religious like that. And so, or it's like, maybe I just don't, I don't understand that, you know, but it's been fascinating.

I thought it's kind of cool, actually. And they've, yeah, no. And they've definitely had other, you know, religious people and haven't chosen to, you know, make it a feature. Yeah. Rachel's just very real. I think she's bad at faking things, which is one of the reasons why it's, kind of this week was kind of funny because she just like doesn't seem like you can tell

when she's not as into someone it's just so obvious to me yeah she's great and it's been disappointing how bad of a season it's been I know I know because like she hasn't done anything wrong and just all these collapses have happened around her that have made this show courageworthy and bad and she's out there you know handling things with you know humor and joy and you know generally responding well to things. There were a few missteps that could sort of be attributed to her. The Kenny and Lee two on one date, hypothetically,

we're supposed to believe that she wrote down and I want Kenny and Lee to go on a date together because they're the two people I'm not, I'm curious about right now. But no, that's not the way that actually works. Definitely she didn't have, I mean, if she did have control over it, I don't think that she would have enough information to know that what that set up was.

You know what I mean? Like I don't think she was probably aware as filming was happening that that would be so controversial or like uncomfortable. And then Dean kept saying like, hey, please don't make me go to visit my dad. Right. And she seemed not to notice that he was saying that, which totally seemed like not her. Peter kind of filled the Dean role this week, I thought. Because like Dean was definitely kind of over it by the time they got to his hometown. Yeah.

And I just feel like Peter's over it now. He's just kind of like, eh, I'm gray. He's almost there. I'm gray. And I'm stressed out. And I'm not ready to propose. And I'm just not into it. And I just feel like, I feel like that there's always been someone every week who's just

kind of like, eh, not so into this. You know, he's the lame duck bachelor at contestant. You know, he's not up for reelection. He could do whatever he wants and he just doesn't care. I just feel so sad for Eric. Like watching his date in Spain, which looked delightful. We'll talk about wine in a second, but first, did you know that you can listen to Channel 33 Bachelor Party

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Head to Spotify.com slash podcast for more. again, that's Spotify.com slash podcasts. Would you like to talk with the wine situation now? Roger, you wrote about it. Yeah, first of all, more that I've ever seen of with all of the plentiful wine, more than I've ever seen of people just leaving their glasses and walking away, which really offends at a personal level. You don't leave behind, you don't leave behind wounded soldiers.

You finish your wine and move on with your life. But Rachel was just abandoning half-consumed glasses of wine everywhere on this show, deeply personally upsetting to me. But yeah, they were in La Rioja in Spain, which is where good wine comes from. And they went to the vineyard where a old potentially drunk Spanish man sang to them in Spanish and made them do wine activities. Great. I love that old potentially drunk Spanish man, whether he was drunk or not.

He's my favorite character of the season thus far. I hope he's the next, well, he's been married for 57 years, but I somehow hope he's the next bachelor. Maybe we could just have some kind of wine show or something like that. Yeah. It is true. I feel like the people who kind of like come along with the drinking activities are often the most fun. Like the bartenders and this guy, they're essential. I'm sorry, I'm blanking on the Bachelor in Paradise bartender's name.

I believe his name is Jorge. Who they kicked off. They kicked off Jorge. He's not bad. Well, they didn't kick him off, but he's not going to. be on the upcoming. Yes, it's Wells. It's what they made Wells, the bartender? Yes. No. I'm.

That's so is I have a story. This is a personal story. I was trying to get in touch with Wells through several means of communication. And he just completely ghosted me. I was just like, I can't believe that Wells is ghosting me. Like I tried so many ways, tried to have Nick get it, have him get in touch with me. And I was so offended. And I was so offended. I was like, wow, I'm being big time by Wells. I just like, I didn't know that I was that mean to him. And then I found out he was going to be in Paradise and that's why he didn't have his phone. But there was the interregnum in between filming. He could have hit me back and he didn't. And I just was really offended. Is he allowed to be like a participant if he is in a bartender

duty? No, he's not. Like that you be or you mean in paradise or on my podcast? Yeah. And no, in in paradise? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course he is. Obviously. Why send Wells there. who's like, I would argue maybe the most eligible Bachelor in Bachelor Nation, which was one of the reasons, which was like also one of the reasons I was like pissed that he was big-timing me. I was like, come on, it's Wells. Then I was like, it's Wells. I could see where maybe he's beyond responding to a text from a stranger or a DM or whatever. And but then like, you know, you sent him there because you hope he gets in the way like some other relationships or whatever.

That's my take. This is like a sad like commentary though on people taking jobs away from. Yeah. Well, it's the reverse problem. That was Jorge's job. I know. No, no, no. Yeah, but that was Jorge's job.

And Wells, who doesn't need a bartending job came in. And well, I feel for Jorge, I'll miss him. And yes, when people get drunk on Bachelor shows, it's good, but they also shouldn't get too drunk. Because that can be bad. That's my analysis. Okay. Thank you. Last topic, Roger.

Overnight dates are happening in Spain. Nix happened in like Sweden or somewhere in Scandinavia. I can't remember. Lapland. It was Finland. You're right. It was Lapland. Yes.

Way up. Reindeer. Santa Claus. So this franchise has taken its talents to Europe instead of the Caribbean or like Africa where they used to do this kind of stuff. Southeast Asia. Yeah, exactly. I think it's ostensibly a downgrade.

and potentially cheaper, although the way that this stuff works is they, like, the show, like, almost never pays for any of it. They get some kind of, like, deal with the tourism board or whatever. Would you consider Spain an upgrade or a downgrade compared to other seasons? Well, I did really like making everyone exist in the cold. That was fun for me. Okay. Spain is, it seems like a place they go earlier in the season, you know? Normally they go to like the most tropical thing they can find for the for the conclusive.

You know, well, the, the, what did you say overnight dates instead of fantasy suites? I said overnight dates, but you're right. Let's call it what a day that really is, the fantasy suites. Yeah, it's, um, it, I, I, I enjoy bachelor euphemisms. So, so please allow me to say the fantasy sweets. which are just regular hotel rooms. Sure. Really the fantasy sweet aspect is entirely provided by The Bachelor.

I guess what I'm just trying to get out here is I actually think Spain is really cool. No, yeah, especially if they're drinking wine with the old guy. As they might say on the show, Spain is a great place to fall in love. I think that's a really good location. I think it's better than Lapland. Also, Caitlin messed everything up, but they were like in Scotland for forever. In Ireland, yeah. I mean, yeah, sorry, in Ireland.

and I feel like Spain is big win over Ireland at least. Has there ever been a place where they're like, this is not the place to find love? Like I feel like they went to like the badlands in South Dakota and they were like, this is a perfect place to find love. You know, I just want once for them to be honest and be like, it's a place, you know. Yeah, it's somewhere.

It's pretty. Well, no, don't get it. Portugal. I love Portugal. I was just, I was just. just naming any country that came to mind. Belarus. We're here.

It's okay. You know, I'm not particularly romantically stoked besides the fact that there are a bunch of attractive people of the opposite gender alongside me. I just want them to say that once. I think the word, yeah, when they went to the Badlands, I think you're referring to

Chris Soles is two on one with Kelsey and Ashley. I think when Caitlin didn't do hometowns, but instead, like, everyone came to the resort in like, Utah or Colorado. That was really weird. That might have been dear. Both families.

Yeah. That was like really strange. That was like someone missed a flight somewhere. Like they were in, they were in Ireland for like six episodes, like half the season. It was ridiculous. I'm very interested in the logistics of Bachelor travel.

Me too. I know. Particularly with Paradise, like ending and then coming back. Like who's their travel agent? They like organized all those flights on the drop of a hat. And yeah, I mean, say what they're like, how do they figure out, do they just buy six over there and five coming back? Yeah, I know.

You know, if someone has to. I don't know. Although there's nothing. I think the number one traveler agents, of course, is the two on one date where someone gets abandoned on an island and has to stay there for the rest of their lives. I know. It's not, it's not good. It's, they, it's very sad. knowing that across the world, there are dozens of ex-batchelor and Bachelorette contestants just left

on these islands. Stranded. Yeah. They never get to go home. No, they just have to stay there forever. Except I remember Chad walked back from the wilderness. They showed him walking through the woods at night. That was great.

That was great. Also, when Emily Maynard also met Ari in the woods to tell him that he was not the one and he was like upset about it. I like Ari. They should bring it back. Do you think he's still in the woods? He might be. Because that's, that's, I think they're like monuments.

They should, if they're not there, they should at least build statues. Like, this is where, you know, Olivia was abandoned on a small island in the Bahamas. I'm into it. Roger, thank you for coming on. What a season this has been? It's been like a real emotional roller coaster. Yeah. So much news.

Yeah. It's been great. Yeah. We're barely... Rachel is great. We love Rachel. The season has been... Nothing but love for Rachel.

If you follow the Instagram, the ring her on Instagram, you may have seen her on our story last week because we are at the Sports Illustrated Fashion thing, and she spoke to us, which was cool. So we can conclusively prove that she was not, or has not yet been killed by Brian's mom. Yes, we can. Great.

That's really reassuring to me. I try not to stay up with spoilers, so I didn't know if that had happened or not. Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week. Thank you to Hotel Tonight. We'll be discussing the two fantasy suites. We'll be back on Tuesday next week, I promise. I'm sorry about this Thursday business. And thanks for listening as always. Thanks again to Roger. Things change. The weather changes. Your mood definitely changes. So why lock yourself into plans that might change? With Hotel Tonight, you don't have to because you'll get incredible deals on awesome hotels even at the last minute. Booking on Hotel Tonight gives you the freedom and flexibility to play things by ear, while knowing you'll score a great price and a great price and a great place to stay. So download the Hotel Tonight app to find seriously amazing deals now. And while I have you, did you know that you can listen to Channel 33 Bachelor Party and others from the Ringer Family on Spotify? Yes, the streaming service that you know and love for music is also fully loaded with podcasts. Find us in the podcast section within the browse tab and are using Spotify on mobile or just by searching for Channel 33 Bachelor Party.

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