The Press Box - Beychella or Bust and the Khloe Kardashian–Tristan Thompson Scandal Timeline | Jam Session (Ep. 456)

Episode Date: April 18, 2018

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Khloe Kardashian giving birth in the midst of her boyfriend's cheating scandal (0:38), Beyoncé's Coachella takeover (22:07), and Gwyneth Paltrow's engagement party, which definitely wasn't a wedding (33:35). More from The Ringer: The Beyoncé-at-Coachella Exit Survey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Jam session. I'm Juliet Litman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. A lot of hot topics. I say that often, but I really mean it this time. Yeah, it's a A-list. Yes, indeed. Yeah.

We'll talk about Beyonce and Bicella. I don't like the way that sounds when I say it. I know. We've talked about this so much. It looks good when you write it. Yeah. We'll call it Coachella with Beyonce from Beyonce's Coachella performance, but we're thinking Beechella.

Also going to get into Winith Paul Trow's engagement party to Brad Faltrich. thrown by Ryan Murphy. Or was it more? Or was it more? We will answer. But first, we have to do it. We have to talk about Chloe Kardashian, Tristan Thompson, True Thompson, and the biggest scandal since, I don't know when. Probably since Snapchat tapes?

Oh, yes. Yes, indeed. That was almost two years ago. It was at the beginning of the ringers run. That's how I know. Wow. So, the Daily Mail publishes an article about Tristan Thompson, in which he is. seen at a daytime rooftop party in New York, two days of four, the Cavs play the next

last weekend of the NBA season. So this was like 10 days ago now. Rooftop daytime party in New York City. Right. Well, you have to say what he was photographed doing. That was a different video, in fact. No, I meant. Oh, kissing her?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you have to say. He was kissing a woman who has been identified as, I believe, Lonnie Blair. Right. So key evidence, days before his child with Chloe Kardashian is due, and also in the middle of the, in the middle of the playoffs, right before the playoffs. Right before the NBA playoffs. Days before the birth of his child with Chloe Kardashian, Tristan Thompson is photographed with another woman. Yes.

In broad daylight. In broad daylight. There's a lot of photos, a lot. Yes. There's ones of them entering and exiting his hotel. Yes. There are pictures of him in the club. Sure. Yes. They are. picture. There's just a lot, there's like a lot of him. It is well documented. Very well documented, which is key. Keep that in mind. Yes. So that drops. And then like legitimately 10 minutes later, TMZ comes out with a different story. That also has Tristan Thompson with two separate women back in October in a hookah bar in Washington, D.C., where he's seen making out two women, motorboating one of them. And then that same woman also grabs his crotch area. Yes. And I happen to have thought that video seemed very state.

Some men in my life, notably my good friend David Jacoby, thinks I'm insane for that take. Okay. But I just felt like bar hookups or hookah bar hookups are like kind of sloppy because it's like, you know, you're in a hookah bar. And I just thought everyone seemed like very calm and sort of like perfunctory. So Julia, what you're isolating here. And I can't listen. I always, I stand with you. If you think I was staged, it was stage.

But I think you've landed on a larger point. which is all of this is a bit much to be believed as naturally occurring evidence. It seems like there are some forces at work here. The timing of it all, both honestly getting caught with a woman days before your supposed girlfriend is giving birth to your child. And not having been caught before, the timing there is a little suspicious. Yes. My reaction was like, how are you this dumb?

Yeah. which is possibly a valid line of inquiry that we can revisit. But that timing is a little suspicious to me for it to be the first time. Then, of course, TMZ having the old video so soon after is a little suspicious. Maybe something is going on here behind the scenes. No yet. What do you think it could be? So the Daily Mail video, the article came out and we were like, wow, they've got to be pissed.

In addition to this being horrible and sad, like, wow, they've got to be pissed. is unusual. It was much like when the elevator tape with Jay Z and Beyonce came out. It was very unusual for a storyline like this to come out that didn't have like the imprimatur of the Kardashians on it. And this really seemed to be outside of their control. And then as soon as I saw the TMZ story, I immediately thought or believed that there was some kind of intervention from Team Chris Jenner here or Team Kardashian. Because TMZ famously, has a relationship with the Kardashians, and they help promote the stories they want to tell before the show airs, basically kind of like seeding storylines, and that is pretty clear.

There's a good piece by Jordan Sargent and Spin, which kind of lays out the history of TMZ's relationship with the Kardashians and vice versa. And most of the exclusives about the Kardashians do come from TMZ. I'm remembering famously all of the... When Lamar was not doing well, that was well covered by TMZ. And when Chloe Kardashian actually called off her divorce, those documents were TMZ, this has been a long history. They have a lot of Kardashian exclusives. And it's also pretty rare for them to sit on a video for six months. Yes.

They, you know, when they see Justin Bower out and about, you know where he's having lunch. Yes. Like when they have a, you know, an LAX video, that goes up right away. Like they are in the content business much like we are. Right. And so it's weird for them to sit on a video for six months. So you and I kind of surmised that once the first story came out, Chris got involved. I used Chris as sort of a figurehead for like the Kardashian camp.

Yes. The Kardashian camp got involved to kind of rest the narrative back and started talking to the press to tell their side of the story and kind of paint it in a very specific light. And my understanding, by the way, based on how the guy. gossip industry works is that it usually is Chris or one of the family members on the phone themselves. They're not doing this through the high-level stuff they're not doing through intermediaries. Right. Because why would you leave that to other people? Exactly. I think also especially since Kim fired her assistant who gave that interview to Refinery 29, they trust intermediaries even less. Ever since I went to watch what happens live with Kim Kardashian on it in L.A. like a year ago.

Yes. I think of her a little bit differently. She's like very well media trained, like very, very well. Yes. And so I think they all are, and they usually are talking directly to their fans. We're going to get to that in a minute because Chloe Kardashians have been, like, taking it to the app to talk about being a new mom. And so I think that's almost like part of their nature is to institute themselves. Absolutely. Really bootstrapping, you know. I don't think that they would be as famous and rich as they are if they were not.

Media savvy is the entire nature of their business. So I think they are pretty involved in it. You pretty much isolated instantly that Chris was involved in the TMZ and was kind of, and working behind the scenes. I have been toying a lot with an even more outlandish theory. Ooh. Well, I've shared it with you. But I keep coming back to the original photographs.

Sure. Of Tristan Thompson. Yes. Days before Chloe was to give birth. Days before the playoffs. And I don't really think anyone is under the illusion now that we've seen other evidence that Tristan Thompson has been a one woman man for the past. nine months a year?

I mean, they've been together since for a long time, for like 18, since like August 2016, when notably he was dating someone else who was pregnant. So I think it's safe to assume that there have probably been a couple other incidents. Yes. And I was just curious why this one is the one that got caught. It is kind of the peak of stupidity. Yeah. And the worst possible timing.

Sure. So my conspiracy theory is that Chris sent the photographers. I think that's totally possible, too. And here's why. Number one, people call celebrities at this level call paparazzi all the time. That's well known and orchestrated. And I think the reason that she would do this, and it's obviously like a pretty cruel thing, and we can talk about that aspect in a second.

But my theory is just if you know this is going on, if you know that he's going to be a long-term problem, if you want to be able to control the story, and you also want to be able to control when the story is released and how it's going to play out on your show. And honestly, the most craven, sad part of this, if you want to control how certain people in your family are going to handle things going forward, you need it to drop a certain way. And so I'm just wondering, did she send them to get it out of the way?

I also will just say, Kristen Thompson's, like, on his way out of the league. Like, he kind of peaked when Chloe, he was at his peak when Chloe started dating him and he's had a bad season and, like, he'll probably, he won't get another max contract. Like, he will, and LeBron will probably win him won't be on the same team. Like, he will be irrelevant in the NBA world soon. Which means that they need to maximize his visibility right now. Yeah, and also just, like, kind of get rid of him. What's the point?

It's a great question. This is definitely a conspiracy corner and it's ungenerous, but it would not surprise me if that were the case. Because there were so many pictures of him in multiple locations, it just seems like, he was easily followed. And so that is suspicious. I don't know. It just, I don't, there is no better explanation as to why he got caught at this moment. Is he really that dumb?

I mean, it doesn't seem like the savvious press person that I'm aware of, but still, that takes a certain level of. It's very, very brazen. I will say the rumor in the NBA world, and I think pretty much true, is that pretty much every NBA player cheats. And, like, when they all go to New York and they all go out a lot. But, like, you don't see pictures of the Knicks out very often. You see many, you, there's so much more TMZ coverage of teams in L.A.

going to catch and going to, like, Delilah and, you know, into, like, all the clubs they go to. There's so much more of that. Actually, very rarely are their club pictures of players in New York when they're playing the Knicks or the Nets. Like, it's, you know, this is my bread and butter. I can think of very few. examples. Oh, interesting. Like, I don't even, I don't actually know what the hotspots are for NBA players in New York, partially because it's just not part of it. It's not part of the culture in the same way. Like, the kind of like NBA adjacent culture. Right. And so that to me is also just

really suspicious. Like, yeah. Once in a while, there'll be like a page six item about like so-and-so was seen at this lounge after the game or whatever, but there's almost never pictures. But like, there's so many pictures outside of Warwick of, or videos of like Blake Griffin leaving or DeAndre Jordan leaving. Yeah, that's true. And so some of that is just kind of, that is very, the LA paparazzi culture is very much you want to be photographed leaving outside of those places where in New York there's an ethos of trying to keep it private a little.

Yeah, absolutely. But very specifically the NBA players, like they get, they get followed here. And I think if TMZ had the opportunity to do in New York, they would. Yeah. So, like I can remember like one time a summer or two ago, like Blake Griffin was walking. in front of like the Bowery Hotel or and there was pictures of that. Yeah. But like it's just really not common for NBA players to be caught like that in New York.

Or in Washington, D.C., for that matter. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. So I feel like we've spent a lot of time on conspiracy corner. We've spent a lot of time on Chris, who is essentially just like a 40s studio mogul at this point. But the Chloe aspect of it is pretty sad. So sad. And I just like, I'm like really like a sentiment.

when it comes to like marriage and family. And like it just makes me so sad that this is how she's beginning her, her identity as a mom. And like this is the beginning of her daughter's life. Like it just, it sucks. Yeah, it is sad. I think, you know, I don't mean to be cynical. I think she will be fine. I always think about, we talked a lot about this with Kylie.

And I just think that the Kardashians are in such a place of, they have so many resources. And also honestly have a lot of support. and families, so they'll be fine. But it's gross. It's a bummer. We have some research from the Jam Session historian Kate Hallowell. Thank you to Kate. Thank you to Kate.

True Thompson was born on April 12th. Yes. And Kim was definitely there. It seems like all the sisters were there. Kim Courtney and Chris were there. I don't think Kylie and Kendall were. They might have been, though. And then Tristan was at the hospital.

Yes. And TMZ reported he was in the delivery room. Can you imagine? No. I can't. I don't even really know. I guess at some point that, I mean, I have never given birth, so I don't have the real knowledge of this.

But that amount of physical exertion with this dickhead standing right next to you. It sucks. Also, like, it just is supposed to be, I don't know if she's thinking about this. But, like, what a conflict. Like, you want your daughter to, you know, have access to her father, but you're also, like, don't want to be near him. So awful. Yeah.

It's awful. I mean, it happens. We don't know the nature of their relationship, honestly. Sure. I don't know if it's whatever. Chloe and Tristan have decided for themselves, go with God. But if I were in her position, I would it would not add to my birthing experience. How about that? That's what I'll say. Nor mind. Yeah. And then this I thought was interesting. Chloe finally posts on Instagram

and revealing the name True. Yes. Our little girl, True Thompson, has completely stolen our hearts and we are overwhelmed with love. Such a blessing to welcome this angel into the family. Mommy and daddy love you true, which is notable, obviously, for the inclusion of daddy. And also, no one has acknowledged any of the Tristan information. It's been all positivity. There's not outwardly. I just assume they're saving it all for the show. And I don't think they will address it until the episode comes up. I think that's true. I think they're also being outwardly positive, which I don't know. What else should they do? They have a new kid. They have a new kid. That's exciting. And I kind of, and he's a part of the experience.

So as a child of divorce, I shall not judge. But I do think they're kind of doing positivity outwardly and then leaking all of the negative stuff to TMZ. Yes. That's my take on the situation. Yes. And there's been quite a bit of leaking. Like page six and the days after, that's when we really knew that it seemed like someone like Chris had talked to them because page six, like page six is like sources like sources inside of the family are sad to say they're not surprised. Like that was a quote from page six.

Right. a couple days after, and then E, which is their network, that airs their show, has quite a bit of information. They reported today Wednesday, E says the family is furious at Tristan. Quote, Chloe has loved having Chris by her side throughout everything. She really helped ease the process and transition. The momager has also been a buffer between Chloe, Tristan, and the NBA player's family. I think that's interesting.

It was very stressful once the baby was born. Chloe was very overwhelmed. Chris really helped the entire process and helped her remain calm and ease her mind. the source adds having Kim and Courtney visit also lives in her spirits. Everyone has been very happy and supportive. Privately, however, Chloe's family is livid. The Kardashian family has been very cold towards Tristan since the scandal broke. Duh.

They aren't pleased with him at all and a heartbroken for Chloe. Everyone has remained civil for the sake of the baby. They are furious. They feel Tristan was deceitful and are ashamed of that he was lying to all of them. So, you know, a source, okay. Someone who works on the show, perhaps? I mean, you know, it's like so, this is like a... Any email from Chris?

Yeah. Yeah. This is so silly to pretend that they don't. don't have. That would be like sources say Bill Simmons is not enjoying the NBA playoffs because the Celtics aren't doing better. Like if I said that or something. Like a source close to Bill Simmons. Like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, the email I just got from Bill Simmons. Sure. Yeah. It's just so ridiculous. But this is how they make their money. This is literally this is the Kardashian empire. In a nutshell, this is how it works. They sell one image and they fuel interest and gossip. And here we are talking about it. And ratings and another. And that's what they're, that is. what they are very skilled at. You may not like it. You may not admire it.

You may just feel really bad for everyone involved. But this is... It's what they do. It's elite media management. That is how they are as famous that they are. They are very, very good at it. It's true. And they had kind of been out of the news for a little while.

Now, boy, are they back. Yeah, that's kind of the saddest part. You wonder if this was an attempt to extend, which I mean, I'm sure it was in some way. Yeah. Where are you putting true? Top half or bottom half of the baby name rankings of this clan? I'm going to go with top half. Okay.

Better or worse than Chicago? It's a family name, by the way, which kind of makes it better. True is? Yeah. I like Chicago. True is just so... I don't want to say easy because I don't name your kid whatever you want, but... There's so many ironies with it.

Yeah. I'm not having a hard time wrapping my head around it, I guess. Yeah. I think it's better than rain. I think it's better than Saint. I think it's better than Dream. Yeah, there's something linguistic about it that is just kind of True Thompson. I like the alleration, I suppose.

Sure. Yeah. And it's also like Tristan, it's similar to her father. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun. I don't know what I'm supposed to understand from it in like a symbolic or textual level. And I'm not really going to think too much about it. This is what Chris wrote on Instagram.

I'm so excited to welcome my precious little granddaughter, True. Three exclamation points. All caps. Fun fact. The sentence case. My grandfather's name on my dad's side was True Otis Houghton. My real dad's name was Robert True Houghton. So I'm excited Chloe named her daughter True.

The proud grandma. That's sorry. That's what she wrote. And then hashtag Lovebug. Hashtag family tradition. Hashtag family at True. And that it leads us to letting you know that True Thompson already has an Instagram account. and she has 187,000 followers.

Getting at True is pretty impressive. Do you think that they checked the accounts ahead of time? You know, I worked on securing all URLs and handles across social media for the ringer when we launched. Yeah. It was a lot of work. And I would be willing to bet someone had this. It was like a squatter. Someone was probably just like squatting on it.

Maybe not, though. Because like I know the infatuation and got like at pizza, at pasta, like fairly easily. But you can work. work with the brands to get the handles that you need if there's anything in the way. They have roles. They won't just give you anything. But there's like a certain amount of logins that are necessary than a time frame. If those haven't been met, then you can kick them off.

All right. Good for them. Sure. They are quite savvy. Yeah. You got to give them that. At True is nice to have. I wish I had at Juliet at all on all platforms.

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I hope it is. That would be insane. I mean, I kind of hope it is now because now that the prospect of a second set has been floated, I feel like people will, bad people will find a way to be disappointed and think she phoned it in if she does the same set again. And they would be wrong because this set was. Truly phenomenal. It was historic in the actual sense of the word. It totally was. Like, how could any Coachella headliner ever compare? So if you haven't seen it, I support all laws, but perhaps just Google Beyonce Coachella on the internet for a while and you might be able to find something.

It was almost two hours headlining set with over, you have to, like over a hundred dancers. Well over 100. And she used a full marching band. That was awesome. Which is incredible. I loved her outfit. It was a really, really, yeah, Belmont. That's really kind of the only thing we know is that the costume was Balmen, Balmain, Balman, whatever. Say it however you want. Balma? I think so, but I'm not going to be the French person.

She looks awesome. She looked fantastic. It was a really... Custom denim hot pants. Yeah. In addition to being just kind of a two-hour, like, well-choreographed, athletic performance. It was really like a very thoughtful, like dense. Yeah, it was rich and it was deep and it had a lot of meeting.

Yeah, it had a lot of references to black history and art. It used the kind of black college marching band as the backing band throughout of it, which also means that she was being trailed by a marching band, which was amazing. Yeah, it was, there's a great article by Craig Jenkins in on Vulture in New York Magazine that kind of lays out a lot of the illusions and references that she kind of wanted. effortslessly throughout the performance for two hours. I know. And this is in addition to dancing like Beyonce dances and singing like Beyonce sing as singing while dancing. Her voice sounded actually amazing.

Like maybe the best I think is ever sounded live. It's just really, it's a feat of physicality, a feat of creativity, a feat of inspiration. Totally. She is truly one of a kind. I also thought it was really cool to think about how many people had to work on the performance for it to happen. So there's like, you know, the over 100 people you see on stage. Like how many costume people and how many makeup artists and all of the people who worked on the set? Like, Beyonce is like not to be too cheesy, but she's like creating jobs.

Like that's awesome and really cool. Totally. It reminded me of a musical kind of just because it was so theatric. It had an overture. It had like various acts to it and costume changes. And it just was such, it was so revolutionary for Coachella, but in some ways it was so. classical, and that's a lot of its power to me, which a lot of people have talked about, is like how it we've so much tradition and all these illusions and meeting with, like,

really current music and on like one of the biggest stages. It was really cool. It was, like, honestly, too cool for Coachella. Well, no, you've isolated like five really important points there. One being that this is just kind of people really phone it in at festivals, and I think we've all kind of gotten used to this idea of the festival culture as you go and do some drugs and like stone out in the desert. And it's a vibe more than a performance.

And this was a performance and this was a statement and she took a stage and made the most of it. And I think she kind of embarrassed everyone else. They're all just sort of like by being better. She's just like good luck. Yes, which is what Beyonce does all the time. And I want to come back to that. But I did feel like Beyonce's mother, Tina, posted on Instagram something that I think is

worth reading, which is just talking about what. is normally expected of Coachella and what Beyonce wanted to do with it. So here is from Ms. Tina Lawson herself. I told Beyonce that I was afraid that the predominantly white audience at Coachella would be confused by all of the black culture and black college culture because it was something that they might not get. Her brave response to me made me feel a bit selfish and ashamed. She said, I have worked very hard to get to the point where I have a true voice

and at this point in my life and career, I have a responsibility to do what's best for the world and not what is most popular. She said that her hope is that after the show, young people would research this culture and see how cool it is, and young people black and white, would listen to lift every voice and sing,

which is one of the songs that she sang in the performance, and see how amazing the words are for us all and bridge the gap. She also hopes that it will encourage young kids to enroll in our amazing, historically black colleges and universities. I stand corrected from her mother. Incredible. Which is great.

And is also, I think, kind of the best encapsulation of what most people try to do at Coachella versus what Beyonce tries to do. I can't think of a moment in pop music this meaningful since Lemonade came out. That's true. I was thinking about it, and I don't mean to, I think it's unavoidable. I don't mean to be too political. But I think that I can't think of a statement like this that was both literally a spectacle

and so meaningful since Trump's been in office. And I think that makes it even more meaningful that it was such a powerful, harnessing of black culture on such a huge scale. And I think that is like, I just think we haven't had a moment like this in a long time. And it was exciting and refreshing and sort of felt like a really powerful antidote in line with some of the other protest, kind of more typical protests that I've been happening in the last 18 months. I completely agree. And it was also just stunning. And so we use the word perfect a lot for things that are not perfect.

But Beyonce is a perfectionist. And when you were talking about the number of people that she employed and the amount of comparing it to a musical, I think, was a really spot-on comparison just in the amount of time and stage direction and rehearsal that goes into this. And one thing that I have been thinking a lot about it, I admire so much about Beyonce. Number one, it's amazing that these things say a secret. That's also true about lemonade. The amount of time and effort that goes into this and no one spills the beans, no one. I mean, she must have a really great NDA, but also you do get the sense that people are proud to be a part of it and like want to protect it and want to make the experience as rewarding as possible when it happens. Because some of, I mean, the creativity, the creativity in this performance is astonishing.

But there is something about not knowing that it's going to happen. And then this, this amazing performance is handed to you, like, completed. Yeah, it's amazing. And you know, and you don't know to expect it. And it's just, except, you know, to expect Beyonce B. being great. But I've just been thinking a lot about something I really admire about her is that she really, she obviously works really hard and there is so much care in it. But with Beyonce, you just get the best possible product finish and presented to you. She's just kind of like,

here you go. This is what, this is, this is greatness, here it is. That's a funny note because so often with culture and something that you and I both really like is the process and like knowing what happens behind the scenes and like, how do we get from point A to point B. But it's sort of of like her finished product product is so powerful and overwhelming that I think like for even cynical people like us, obviates a desire for that information. You're just like good with what she gives you. Yeah, especially with artists. I actually hate the artistic process. I don't, I feel like people spend so much time on that that sometimes they get rid of, they think talking about the process obviates the need to do something great at the end. And Beyonce does great things. And I just on every level admire. I do too.

I'm invigorated by it. I totally agree. I definitely was very negative of Beyonce for a long time and, like, really was not on team Beyonce. And I wouldn't say I'm, like, a super fan. Like, for, for, it's sort of like, her polish is actually not, like, what I relate to on a regular basis. And I also think that, you know, I'm just, like, really cheesy in the music that I love.

Like, you know, ask you or Chris, like, go into my office. I'm watching a pink video or I'm watching, like, a song from a musical that's, like, really emotional or whatever. And I, like, really connect to that. But I think that I'm, like, so much less of a Beyonce hater because they have always been orchestrating their lives. But it used to be for sort of, like, more shallow ends. Yeah. But Beyonce and Jay-Z together have decided to, like, just go to the next level in ways that are important to them.

And they both choose to, like, align themselves with causes when they choose to speak now, it's, like, for very specific, like, political and cultural reasons. And I respect it. I think the hardest thing to do with celebrity has changed. in the public eye. And so the ones who were able to do it and mature and graceful and human ways, I just, like, completely admire. I feel the way about Rihanna.

I feel away about Beyonce. Like, you know, both of those women started so young, and they were thrust into a very robust and cemented system of pop music that, like, doesn't necessarily, like, value you for your ideas or, like, even your songwriting prowess.

Like, the women who get to be known as songwriters are sort of, like, less, I think, often less sexual and often less like just sort of like less powerful. You get to be one thing. You get to be a singer-songwriter and you get to be someone who dances or you get to be, you get to be a very specific type of person and you're very rarely allowed to change. Yeah. Which is true in pop music and in a lot of other spaces.

Absolutely. Yeah. But it's been pretty cool really with both of them, but in particular, Beyonce, watching her like sort of shed the roles that were assigned to her and sort of like, Even if she created a lot of her initial narratives, like she's been able to change them and position herself differently. And I think it's really hard to do and just really cool. And that's, like, also inspirational. You mentioned Jay Z.

Yes. You should know that Jay came out for it. She did a nice thing. She had Jay out. She had Destiny's child back. I mean, you have two hours. Yeah. Jay looked tired.

Yes, he did. He's, I feel like he's just really on a journey. And I support it. He is. And I wish them well. I hope their twins are doing great. I also can't believe it's been two years. I saw Beyonce at the Rose Bowl, I guess, two years ago.

Yeah. And I can't believe it's been that long. I'm just, I'm glad she's back. Me too. I really am. She's, she's really impressive. It's also such a funny, her polish and, like, her power is such a funny opposite or inverse of the Cardi B experience right now, which is also cool to be experiencing them

at the same time. And I just feel like there's no need to compare them or sort of like place them in the same spectrum because they are not. But it's just sort of funny that those are the two women, two people dominating music right now, like them and Drake probably. Like, literally in this moment of the last month. And they're just so different. And it's cool that there's space for both of them. I agree.

I'm looking forward to next weekend. Let me tell you. If she does this again, exactly this. Same thing, minute for minute, we will all be lucky to watch it for a second time. So just keep that in mind. Let's move on. Okay. To our final topic of the day.

Yeah. Gwyneth Paltrow and Brad Falkchuk, who was one of the creators of Glee, which is how they met, are engaged. And they had a huge 400-person black tie engagement party at one of the old theaters in downtown Los Angeles, thrown for them by Brad Falkchuk's partner and their friend Ryan Murphy. And it was rumored that could potentially be a wedding. Yes. However, page six confirmed today. And I also have my own sources that confirmed that it was just an engagement party. And man did Gwyneth Paltrow look great.

She did. I also learned a lot from the photography related to this event. I do think. So we should just explain briefly why people thought it was going to be a wedding because it was pretty funny. The reason is because not Valentino himself, but Giancarlo Giametti, who is kind of like the number two, the business partner of Valentino, posted on Instagram on Friday, like a picture of them. I was like, congratulations on your engagement tomorrow. It's going to be such a special day. I'm like so excited for you.

But in a way that definitely made it seem like this older Italian gentleman thought that it was their wedding tomorrow and was just kind of like congratulating them in public and didn't really understand how Instagram worked. And it just so it set the rumors going that it was actually going to be a wedding. It's a real rom-com moment. Yeah, it was very charming. Yeah, it's funny. And then also, Gwyneth Pato's mother was photographed leaving the venue with a Monique Lulier, bridal garment bag.

Yes. Which I wonder now, was that just supposed to, was that Gwyneth playing, was that Gwyneth trolling a bit? I don't know. Or that's just like a, was that like a garment bag, like straight from Monique Lulier? And she was like, here's what I have. Like it's sort of like, could just be like a casual. Yeah.

I don't even know. I won't say I feel the lines between bridal and just sort of like black tie have really been blurred. Mm-hmm. Yes. And also. So, like, even, not even at that high of a level. Like, I was looking for, I was looking for just, I have a few weddings this summer.

I was, like, looking for some dresses to wear these weddings. I was like for something long and potentially floral. And anthropology and another website, like, had all these dresses that were, like, typically, like, technically from their bridal lines that were just, like, looked like a regular anthropology dress. And I was just like, I don't know. I feel like the, just because the bridal industry has gotten so big, the lines are less demarcated than they used to be. Anyway. I feel like I'm okay with that. Yeah, I am too.

Totally. Quinn Paltrow wore a gorgeous Gym Batista Valley. Did it great. Thank you. Good job. Kind of like a cranberry colored couture dress that she looked amazing in. She just looked beautiful in general.

And it seemed like a really fun party. She had the kind of like the top billed guests are Kate Hudson, who I didn't know, but apparently it's like best friend of live Tyler. they arrived hand in hand. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, so there was her. There was Jennifer Aniston, who was wearing a wrist brace, which made me wonder if she has carpal tunnel, but I can't imagine she types that much, so I don't know.

Probably a yoga injury. Oh, great point. Yeah. There was Julia Roberts wearing phenomenal, formal plastic glasses. My favorite look for women over 45. They were great. They made me start Googling glasses again. She also was wearing a, like, high-end pants suit, or not a pantsuit, like a jumpsuit,

which I was willing into. Yeah. Reese Wetherspoon was there, which is notable because there was a competing event in Los Angeles that night, which was like a woman's dinner hosted by Laura Dern. Oh, at the Sunset Tower. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And in style.

Yeah, it was in style. It was a lot of like women in Hollywood. It seemed like a good time. But I just thought I was like, oh, interesting, you all are not at the Gwyneth party. Yes. Also, apparently I didn't know this, but did you do the Cameron Diaz and Gwyneth Paltrow or like best friends or like super close? I think so because of a story involving someone pinning someone down to deal with bikini line issues. And I can't remember whether it was Gwyneth pinning Cameron down or Cameron pinning Gwenteth down.

But there was a moment, I think, right after Gwyneth and Chris Martin separated, where they were kind of gal powing out. I see. Cameron Diaz seems fine. They both do. But that's a fun, blonde duo to hang out with. Yeah, they just kind of also seem like they have both been in Hollywood for so long in a very specific zone of Hollywood. Yeah. So they probably just have a lot in common. Additionally, Kate Hudson sang this event. No. Yes, she did. What did she sing? I don't know, but she serenated them. That's information from page six.

Oh, God. Page Six is really back on it. I feel like Page Six was motivated by the daily. mail into TMZ to get back in the hot gossip space. They're giving me a lot of what I want. Yeah. I like it. I really do. That's my party report for you. It doesn't like it was a really fun time.

I just love a fancy party. I'm available to attend all fancy parties. Like black tie optional and fancier. Please call me. I'm really looking for more past hors d'oeuvres in my life. Oh, well, as you know, I have a passion for that as well. I mean, the best past hors d'oeuvres I've had in some time were at your holiday party, my lord. Juliet and a Costco card.

If magic happens, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, but basically it doesn't need to be black tie for me. If the appetizer is heated and if there are several different options and they're on individual trays, I'm good to go. Apps and desserts are better than main course. It's very true. It's just so fun. Yeah. I love a pasta hors d'oeuvre as well.

Really, is there anything better than a pig in a blanket? No. There's just not at me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single thing better. Those mozzarella sticks are pretty good, too. Those are good, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's all great. I bet they didn't have past hors. They probably didn't have pigs in a blanket. They probably did have past hors. So there's that.

Okay. Then I would have loved to go to this party, even though I don't really love Black Tie optional. But that's okay. It just seemed like a good time. I don't know. I'm happy for Gwyneth Paltrow. It seems nice. Should we switch to a former, very quickly, former fiancé of Gwantos? Yes. Oh, my God. This is a great final note to go out on. The rumor right now is that Brad Pitt is dating someone. He's completely smitten. And she is an emerald. My tea professor, people. It's, this is too good to be true. So I think the reality is that they have like maybe had dinner once. I don't really know that they're dating.

But it's the first woman that Brad Pitt has even kind of been in the vicinity of. So people are losing their minds publicly. Her name is Neri Oxman. She's a professor at MIT. And she is also crucially an architect, which means that she and Brad Pitt, Like, started talking about fancy tables and all the weird design bullshit that Brad Pitt is interested in because we know he is because he doesn't let his wives have nice couches. And now just everyone's losing their mind because they were in one Instagram together. Amanda.

Yes. And Us Weekly source said Brad is absolutely smitten by her. Their chemistry is off the charts. Who tells Us Weekly that? Who even knows that? Like, I don't, I think Brad Pitt's, like, out of the Us Weekly game, so I'm a little confused about that one. I completely agree. I think this is kind of made up.

I think that they just met once. And probably, they probably, definitely Natalie Portman and Joshua's Jonathan Saffron-Foe or email relationship right now. Like, that's happening for sure. There are some emails about sculpture and couches for sure. She's quite attractive. So on my favorite show, the affair last season. Yes. Dominic West has an affair with this professor.

Yes. And it's like for some reason just like reminds me of that storyline. I think they kind of like look similar. And so I just feel like maybe Brad Pitt's watching the affair. That's probably what's happening. Known sculpture and uncomfortable couch enthusiast Brad Pitt is also watching the affair. Come on. Brad Pitt definitely is like, oh, alternate points of view. Brilliant.

There's no way he's not like, oh, that's a really good idea. That's true. Anyway, I don't really think they're dating, but this is hilarious. It's absolutely hilarious. Well, this has been jam session for this week. I hope you enjoyed it. We'll be back in two weeks. Thank you, everyone.