The Press Box - Coachella, YouTube Stars, and Surviving Middle School | 4RealSeez

Episode Date: April 29, 2019

Zoe Simmons (13) and Liz Kelly (25) team up to discuss their unique perspectives on teen culture in 2019, including: Coachella, influencers, and social media platforms like TikTok, Snapchat, and Musical.ly. They talk YouTube stars, MTV's 'Siesta Key,' 'Teen Wolf,' reality TV, Billie Eilish and Adele, celebrity crushes, middle school, Juuling, and more. Hosts: Zoe Simmons, Liz Kelly Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can check all of these things out on the ringer.com. It's Zoe. Yep. Zoe Simmons. It's the pod daughter. I'm Liz Kelly, and we're in the studio with producer Kyle. Kyle said what's up. We're the two resident old people.

Kyle and I are 25 years old. Zoe is 13 and she's got her finger on the pulse. This is for realsies. I think it would say better coming out of your mouth. Yeah. This is for realzies. Great. That sounds so much better.

This is an inside look at the brain of the smartest and most poised 13-year-old. I have ever met. And then me and Kyle, the two old slubs trying to figure it out and keep up with you. The world in this podcast is your oyster zo. You've got a ton of topics that you want to talk about that you're just interested in, that you know a lot about. You're going to be, I tried very hard to do as much research to get into the brain of a teenager as I possibly could. But you'll definitely have to hold me and Kyle's hand through this process. Is that fine?

I'll help you out. Yes. You're up for it. Kyle, we up for it? Yes, and I did no research. So this will be a great contract. Okay, great. This is great. Okay, we're starting off if you wanted to talk about Coachella. Yes. What are your thoughts? So Coachella is something that is so overly stressed within like not only, I feel like not my age group necessarily, but like the influencers from like age 15 to 25 range.

Yeah. There's 15 year olds going to Coachella, which is insane to me. That was my first question was like, are 13 year olds even going to Coachella? I honest, I know a 12 year old that went. What? With a parent? Yeah, but his dad is like in. incredibly famous. Okay, so that's different. Not surprising.

Yeah, because I've been to Coachella and like imagining myself at 13 or you sweet soul going there. I'm like, please don't. There's like too much going on. You'd get lost in a crowd. Like Coachella just seemed like a madhouse. I'm so not interested at all. I love music, but like no way.

Right. And you'd have to be like weaving through the crowds. Plus there are people there that are like, you know, in their 40s and 50s. It just doesn't feel like an enjoyable experience for a 13 year old. But you're saying you follow along because the. The influencers that you like go. They go. So there's a bunch of different influencers that I like a wide variety.

Okay. They're the Dolan twins. Look them up. I love them so much. Okay. Literally my favorite influencers. What makes them so great? I just think they're like really good people in general.

Yeah. Like they don't use their money in bad ways. Like it's not like they're buying expensive shoes and like an insane homes everywhere. Right. And at this point we can assume that. People like that with their influence are extremely wealthy. That was the whole point is all these young people blew up and now they have millions of dollars to spend. And like there are some influencers out there that use it for the worst rather than the good.

What's like the worst? Like they're partying and they're going on stuff like that. Yeah, they're partying. They're doing drugs. They're buying really expensive clothing. And it's not like I'm not going to say that that's bad and that like they're doing anything wrong. Yeah. But I would rather someone that I look up to use their money in a good way.

Yeah. But I also find them hilarious and they're really attractive. Handsome guys, I just Google. Yeah, so I did research. This came up as something you want to talk about. I had zero clue of who these people were. For those who don't know, they're a comedy duo. They're both 19 years old.

They became first famous on Vine. Yeah. Which I'm not that old. I do know. Consumed a lot of Vine. That was a great platform. And then they now have a YouTube channel that gets millions of views. And the most shocking thing to me was how long the videos are.

Yeah. Because the whole thing, Zoe, people say you're generation. can't concentrate, but these videos are like 27 minutes long. And I've stayed through the entire thing. Yeah. Like 100%. It's such a misconception. People are like, oh, they just want like, you know, the five second videos. You can't make it longer than two and a half minutes. Yeah. But all the YouTube people that you want to talk about and the things on the internet are almost as long as you watching a sitcom on TV. Yeah. So 100%. These people keep, and there's no commercial. There's a couple commercials, but they're like 30 seconds long. Yeah. Yeah. So they keep you,

like, for example, I watched a video that says the search for a new pet. It was. Oh, that was their newest video. Yeah, so it's 22 minutes of the Dolan twins. I don't know what. Testing out animals. Okay, this was a weirder video. It's not like their usual thing. I think they're kind of like they ran low on ideas and maybe needed to do something as like a filler. But honestly, I enjoyed it.

Like I thought it was a good video. Yeah. I watched another one where their mom controlled their YouTube page for the whole day. And I really, I have, I don't know, I guess like I never really was on YouTube and watching people that were like exactly made for this platform. So I didn't think I was going to like them. By the end of the second video, they're really endearing. I know. They're very sweet.

They're so sweet. They're just genuine people. Yeah, I totally see where you're coming from. Plus, like, I mean, the whole idea of creating content for yourself, this ages me so much. But, like, everybody that is around your age and a little bit older, like the in between, between me and you. Yeah. You're just doing it for themselves. These all start.

Yeah. Like, Vine is all in your iPhone for five seconds. Yeah. Is that your generation? No. Okay. Vine is more mine. Vine was kind of dead

before anyone my age could really get into it. Dang. Kyle, did you ever watch vines? Yeah, but it was mostly on Twitter and everybody was like rest of peace. Ben and I watched on YouTube sometimes and like the funnier vines. Yeah.

But musically and TikTok are now kind of taking over as like that vine. Yes, please explain TikTok. Okay, so TikTok is they've basically, did you ever do musically or like know about musically? No. Okay.

So musicly is like there is a limited time. I think it's like five seconds or something or longer. And it's like these voiceovers of people doing something or like famous gifts. Okay. And people could record themselves like mouthing out what they were saying and pretending to like do the skit basically, but it already had like made words and stuff. Okay.

And you could lip sync to music. So that was like the two things. But now TikTok is like it's more of skits and like back up noise or like something for the skits and you could mouth it out and then like pretend like you're saying it or like lip sync to music. And anybody can do it as just. people are like incredibly famous and get like millions and millions of these. Just because of their appearance, which is I don't like TikTok.

Oh, okay. Do you? You don't like TikTok? I don't like musically. Yeah. You're not in my bones. Wait, how do you know about musically and I don't? I think it was like, all this stuff gets like recycled to the other platforms of the internet.

Like mostly Instagram I see. And it's just like, I don't know, people like acting. They're not doing anything. They just put on some crazy makeup. Yeah. Yeah. The thing about Vine is like you had, it was just you for seven seconds or whatever was. Being yourself.

And at least you were creating it. Like, musically, you can create it, but the majority of people who are famous just take other people's vines and then, like, put it on a full face of makeup. What? Or, like, take their shirt off if you're a guy and then just, like, film a video of yourself mouthing it. Yikes. Are these people more year-old, like, 13-year-olds? It can be, but it's, like, it can range from, like, 14 to, like, 17. And it's, like, it's just for their appearance and, like, for people to be appealed by their appearance, which is why I don't like it very much.

I think it's not good platform. Do people at your school do it? Like, do? No. Okay. I mean, no one on my school, people do TikTok because it's like the funny ones, not the music. They don't do it in seriousness. They do it just like for fun.

Okay, got it. But yeah. Yeah, I was looking more into the Dolan twins because I was wondering like where all this money comes from. Obviously it's from the ads that they sell and the views and stuff. But they also have a website where they sell merchandise. Yeah, they have merch. They're selling an $145 lamp that just says the Dolan twins. Okay.

I don't look into their merch because I'm like, I just don't do that. Yeah. I find their sweatshirts cute. I think they're sweatshirts are really cute. Actual clothing items. But like, okay. The lamp is insane. That's insane. How much have you bought? I know your brother, Ben, is like... I haven't, I don't buy much. What has Ben got? He has... Who is it? Was it Logan Paul? He got like a backpack? He got like a backpack. When Logan Paul was a thing, we don't speak of that anymore. But he had... He had a backpack and he had a sweatshirt. But like a Logan Paul backpack is what? Logan Paul's face on a backpack? That's it?

No, it said like the Maverick or something. Oh, yeah. Like a catch phrase or something. It was when Logan Paul was like the thing. Okay, got it. Now, I don't even know what Logan Paul's doing. Except I saw his outfit at Coachella, which was I think I wanted to gouge my eyes out after. What was it?

It was disgusting. It just like, it's not that it was like revealing or anything. Okay. But it was just gross. Like he was wearing too many patterns. I thought Jake Paul's outfit was that it was fun at least. Okay. He had like a multicolored like rainbow onesie on or something.

Uh-huh. Just like a jumpsuit. and he was wearing like very big white shoes and some sort of glasses, which was fine, but like Logan Paul just looked like off-brand, like gap. And you're following all these people on Instagram, like not only on YouTube, like where else are you following these people? Instagram. Okay.

And that's where you see where they all go to Coachella? Okay. Yeah. People are still using Snapchat? Yeah. I use Snapchat now a little bit. I've been claiming for years that that's dead. I'm so out of touch.

Yeah, Snapchat's still use. It's not as much like for the influencers. People usually just use it for the. filters or like talking to friends. Yes, my brother who's 17, that's the only way he talks to his friends is on Snapchat. I can't text him worth a damn, but like... I think Snapchat's too sneaky. I don't like it very much.

I know. You're such a wholesome 13-year-old. It's so sweet. It's too sneaky, and my parents would not like me being obsessed with it, which I'm not. I just use... I like Instagram. But there's so much weird stuff on YouTube, but are your parents fine with the... Like, the internet itself is a bigger topic, but...

They know what I like. I think Ben's the one that has to be worried about with YouTube and his access to YouTube because he will spend hours on end watching, like, some British guy play video games. Okay. Which is what he does. So he's watching someone else play video games. Yeah, which is so mine. Explain the appeal.

Video games are already lazy, and, like, you can do them by sitting on a couch. Kyle, do you play video games? Is this a shot to you? Yes, he definitely does. Right through the heart. He carries around his, what is it called, Nintendo? Switch. Yeah, he carries that around.

Okay. So then there's a whole other four. of entertainment where Ben is 10, right? Yeah, he watches others playing video games when he could just go play video games himself. I mean, I won't lie, I've watched one before. And it's like after watching one, like, I guess how it could be appealing and like how you could want to watch more. Yeah.

But he'll watch hours on end. I know it's hard for you to speak for like the youth of America, but I am so genuinely confused at that kind of content. I know. When I like YouTube and I'm not like 25 like obviously there are people my age you like totally deep dive on that too It wasn't so much the influencer posting but just like all the crazy videos that you can find But like I feel like the last time I went on YouTube.com to find a video it was Charlie bit my finger Oh my God back me up please yeah I still look it up in time

Charlie bit my finger was like four and a half years ago maybe five I was like saying that catchphrase in fourth grade Yeah and that was like those were the uber viral videos and the ones that you watch No, that kind of reminded me of vine. And I think that's why I was appealing to you because you, like, didn't you walk fine? Yes. Yeah. Now it's like YouTube is used in so many different ways. And I like a lot of what people are doing and influencers.

And I feel like I like the influencers that are more genuine and their videos are like... Did you watch the movie 8th grade you did, right? Yeah, I've watched it a million times. Okay. So you know the part where it's Olivia Jade, who's like a whole different story? Yeah. But do you watch those kind of YouTube videos? No.

Okay. Yeah. I think... Like the beauty I've definitely... This is how I organize a closet I've made videos for fun like that Oh you have?

Yeah, definitely. Because it's like... I think everyone does. No. Okay. I mean, I totally show them to you but I'd never post it. Like I just make it for fun

when I'm bored. Like sometimes I'll commentate myself doing things. Because I've watched vloggers like I love Alicia Marie this vlogger. Okay. But yeah, I'll watch vloggers

but I don't watch inspirational kind of makeup videos like that. That's not... Yeah. I feel like my... equivalent was right when the camera on the MacBook came out, you know, like photo booth pictures. Yeah. Like when I was in the seventh and eighth grade, like I just took 400 million photos.

Yeah. I still do photo booths to my friends. Oh, it's timeless. It's great. Yeah. Photo booth is a loved, loved software. I love photo booth. Wow, this is so hard to meet.

Okay, great. I'm so happy. The other thing on YouTube that you watch is, and like, first of all, you have, like, wrecked my YouTube algorithm so hard now. I have now, I'm sure, and all my recommended will be like, this teen TV show, like this vlogger, because I tried like to watch a lot of this, including Well, I'm glad that you did. Yeah, chicken girls, explain it.

So Brat, this platform that I am actually obsessed with, and it might be an issue. Do we start there? What is Brat? Okay, so Brat is like, it's a foundation or it's like, it's almost Netflix. Like it could be a Netflix series, but it's like these 17 minute videos or something. And it's like a made-up base. It's almost like a mini-TV show, but they're using like. influencers and vloggers and YouTubers.

Yeah, a web series. And they're using people like Annie LeBlanc, like who is a YouTuber. She has like a family vlog. They use people like her. They use like all these kind of smaller YouTubers and bring them in like within their friend groups and then write a storyline to create a TV show. Oh, that's actually extremely cool. I know.

It's really cool. Okay. So is Chicken Girls one of an example of that? It's like it started off. It was kind of like Chicken Girls was this group of dancers. and it was like Annie LeBlanc, this other girl, I don't remember any of their other names. Okay.

It was a group of YouTubers who were friends in real life, and they bring them together, and they create the TV show. Yeah. And it's like, it was dancing at first, and it's just like the conflicts of middle school, involved with the main basis being dancing. Okay, got it. Because they did break out in a song one time,

and I was extremely surprised because I thought it was just going to be like a run-of-the-mill. Yeah. Like, did you ever watch DeGrasseus way before? No. Okay. So that was even like ahead of me. I remember being like 11 and there was this one episode of Degrassi.

But that was like the only like real TV show that was on. Yeah. That was covering more adult topics like relationships and stuff. But this one character, Manny and this one episode wore a thong to high school. And it was this big crazy episode. Everyone freaks out. And I remember being like appalled being like, oh my God. Oh, that's hilarious.

Because there's not that much stuff covering. It's like a very specific age range that you're in. And I feel like these chicken girls like this brat series. kind of covers, like applies directly to you. Yeah. And because it's like, it shows the life of these middle schoolers kids that are my age. Are the storylines applicable? Like, the episodes that I watch there is like a classic, you know, relationship.

They break up. There's like some cheating maybe. I find them entertaining because it's like a real life situation that I might encounter and scenarios. But, I mean, I guess the storylines are kind of out of order. Yeah. Like there's another one that I watch called Total Eclipse. It's like insane.

It's literally insane. And the storyline's kind of stupid. Okay. It's like highly dramatic. Yeah. Okay. Very dramatic. Over dramatized.

Uh-huh. And there's, um, it's like about this girl who's obsessed with space. Okay. And that's like her thing. Uh-huh. And she's like trying to get out of her head because space is just like all she can think about and she's trying to go through middle school. The main thing is like trying to get through middle school being like an unique person.

Okay. So she's obsessed with space. And then, like, one of her friends is obsessed with superheroes. And the other one's, like, princess. And it's just, like, that sounds so childish. But it's actually, like, middle school people. And it's, like, has drama. Yeah.

Which is fun to watch, but it's, I don't know. It's insane. I almost wonder if, like, do you watch Ned's Declassified, Zoe? No. I almost wonder if that'd be too childish for you now, because that's what I was watching. Did you watch that list? No, I didn't. But I feel like you're watching stuff material.

Yeah. I guess that's every, I don't know, maybe that's everybody. Yeah. when you're 13, it's like very little stuff covering exactly like seventh, eighth grade. Yeah. The other thing I noticed while watching all this stuff was a lot of the storylines focused more on like, even being these like middle schoolers, like, we're independent. Like the song was called Boys Are Canceled.

Like, and like called Boy Get Over It. Uh-huh. And I just feel like that wasn't as big of a deal in the condo that I watched like when I was your age. And now it's so much more. And it's the perfect date, which we're going to talk about a little bit like. later. Like the female characters are much more focused on themselves and being independent and kind of like throwing boys to the wayside. I know. Which feels like you guys got a long road ahead. Like if you're 13, you're like, mm-mm. Boys are stupid. It's just really funny

to watch like that change in the trend. Do you notice that too? Yeah, definitely. Because it's like they make it seem like boys are much more stress than they actually are. Like I wouldn't say, I would say some people that I know are like kind of boy crazy and that's like. That's like timeless thing. Their obsession. Yeah. But it's like the majority, it's not like that. And the things you're watching on YouTube, a lot of these girls are talking about how it's

important to be yourself and really nobody else matters. And like focus on your girlfriends and people make you happy. Yeah, it's very interesting. These videos are also like 15, 20 minutes. So I don't know what people are talking about when they say that you guys don't want to sit down and watch something. I know. It's just around the wrong platform.

I know. It's just not unusual. Just because some people don't understand. Yes. Your generation's very misunderstood. The other thing that you watch, but this is. actual cable, which is shocking, is on MTV. This is Siesta Key, your favorite topic. My favorite TV show of all time, and I can say that with full confidence. Okay, explain why. Well, okay,

so to give some backup for people who don't know what Siesta Key is, if you ever watch the show The Hills, which I know is like more of an older show, my parents really like it. Kill me, uh-huh. It's kind of like a spinoff of that, but based in Siesta Key from ranging of like 19 to 20-year-olds and they're trying to figure out their life and the drama that's happening within this specific group in Siesta Key. Yep. It's a lot of young people. They're all in bikinis all the time. They're drinking.

They're hanging out. It's like very classic. There's relationship drama. There's friend drama. That's it. The thing that surprised me, I had never watched it before starting. Your dad has been trying to convince you to watch this show. Actually came on tea time.

Did a spiel for like 10 minutes about it. None of us listen. You got me to watch Siesta Key. Yes. I was really dumb. I started with the last episode ever. Liz. Because I thought I was going to watch one.

You started with the finale. Yeah, because I was like, you know, I'll watch it for Zoe. Like, you know, I'll just see like what's the most up to date. I went back and watched the whole season. Well, honestly, it ended up being so confused. Okay, it's repetitive, like the show. Because there's just one couple, Juliet and Alex. Uh-huh.

And Juliet is, she cries every episode. She does, yeah. So her and Alex are like an on and off relationship. Alex is an unreliable boyfriend. He has cheated on her multiple times, disclaimer. Yes. And then also for the record, Alex is dad. is really wealthy.

Really wealthy. He's a chiropractor in Siesta Key. He's best known for having the 1-800-askagary attorney. I did not know about that. Oh, he's involved with, is he a lawyer? Yeah, and he's also trying to build a hotel in Siesta Key. So he funded this whole thing. He funded the entire show.

And got this idea off the ground. That's why Alex is the main character. Exactly. So you should also keep that in mind while watching this TV show. Yeah. And then Juliet narrates it, right? That's her voice. Well, like within the first season, it was Juliet.

Then it would be like maybe Madison. Oh, okay. Then watch the first season. Yeah. Well, depending on like what the episode was about and who it was revolved around, that person would narrate. Oh, okay. But for the majority of the episodes in the second season that you saw, it was always Juliet narrating because she was always the main focus. Yeah.

The other thing that surprised me, Zoe, these people are like close, like are very close to my age. These people are 24 and 25. The youngest one turned to 21 in one of the final episode. Yeah, Juliet. And I'm watching these people. I'm like, you guys. Like, someone's got to get you out of Florida, get you into real jobs. I know.

None of them have real jobs. The character, Polly. Oh, my God. I can't even talk about Polly. I hate him so much. Yeah, he's a bum for those who don't know. He doesn't have his job. He's living off his grandparents' trust fund.

Yes. Gets cut off for like 20 minutes in one episode. Yeah, because he has gotten arrested like four times. Yeah. And one for, like, having a lot of weed. Yes, yes. And it's just like, it's, it's insane. It's like very, very beautifully shot, very beautiful people, like version of Jersey Shore.

It's not as messy. Uh-huh. But it's just as much, like, it revolves around the same premise, right? It's just like people are kind of just hanging out and they're kind of bored so like things happen. It's just like there's this one girl, Chloe. Yeah, let's do cast power ranking. So you're number one. My number one is, well, entertainment-wise or overall?

Overall. And then you can do entertainment. Definitely Madison. 100% Madison? Do you not even know who Madison is? I know who Madison is but she's, I mean, watching the second half of the second season. She's irrelevant to me.

Okay, she's irrelevant, but I love her. Okay, why? Because she's like, we were talking about the Kardashians earlier and how Kendall's my favorite. Yeah. She kind of reminds me of like the Kendall of the situation. You might be right. Madison, she plays like the very low key. She's definitely the most genuine and fun person to be around.

Okay. Not in the sense of like, oh, she's fun to go to parties with. She gives the best advice and she is like the best friend, like definitely the sidekick. She's not the main person, but. She talks the least bad about everyone. Yeah. I will say I cannot believe this is even a friend group. I know.

The amount that they talk about each other. She's in some cases boring throughout the episodes. But I love her because she is so genuine and she's like an actual person, which brings me back to earth when I'm watching such an insane show. Yeah. So then entertainment-wise, who's your favorite? Chloe, 100%. Okay.

That's my favorite overall. entertainment. This girl... I love Chloe. Yes. For those who don't know, like, she is the classic, what's a 13-year way to say shitster? Like, a problematic friend, the one who bad mouths everybody? Yes. She's the one, there's like one in every friend group. The girl gets all the info, shakes it around, stirs the pot, tells everybody and causes chaos. And it's great TV. And it's because she is definitely in love with Alex. Oh, you think? They've been best friends since they were little. Yeah. And she's always been in love with him and doesn't really have a shot with him because he's a douche.

Yeah, she's the classic friend who's like, I'm telling this to you because I love you, but here's horrible news that is going to make you cry for days on end. And there's one like that in real life, too. Definitely. Everyone has one. Everyone has a Chloe. She definitely is the shit.

What do you say when there's a bad friend who causes drama? I'm a f***er. Nice. You can bleep that out if maybe your dad is going to listen to this. Yes, I agree. Also, my favorite couple, maybe you'll agree because they also fly kind of under the radar, is Garrett, who's the body. builder and Kara? What are your thoughts? Kara is, I don't know what she does. Like,

what do any of these people do? What do do? But honestly, Kara's like the worst of them, probably. Why? Because she's, because she's so wealthy. She's living in a beautiful, like, mansion-type house on the coast of Siesta Key where she can walk right onto the beach. And I don't, I don't think she's ever talked about her personal life at all or what she does. Yeah. I don't think she has a job and she lives off of her parents like pay, which is... I agree. It's kind of fascinating how it's an entertaining watch because so many of these people are so boring and they have nothing beyond like the tan skin and their fake eyelashes that they're wearing. Yeah. Like I think it's the way it's edited and I think it's like,

you know, reality TV. It's such a feel good show though and there's like such good vibes from it. Right. And it's set in Florida. Yeah. It helps that it's set in such a beautiful place. Yeah, completely. So it's like, and that's definitely like I love tropical. I love the beach. And the fact that it's like brought in with like all this drama and this fun and these people. Yeah. There is so fun to watch. Yeah, a lot of drama. I will say over the years, reality TV has been around for a long time now.

Yeah. No one has figured out how to cry on camera. There's one thing to movie cry, but to be on reality TV and try to cry. And try and cry. It's tough. Juliet. She gets, um, Chloe sits her down, the shitster as we discuss and is like, here's really bad news about the boyfriend that you love and are trying to break up with

because he's a terrible guy as we discuss. Yeah. She literally glances at it for two seconds. She's got these big fake eyelashes on. She goes, oh, great. And then she just starts, like, bawling her eyes out. It's so hard. My parents and I, because we watch it together, it's like our show. And although I'm the only one that's like fully committed, they half watch too. Yeah. We joke about how she cries every single episode. I don't think there's an episode where she hasn't cried. And she's crying through saying words. Like she literally goes, that's awesome. And she's not a pretty crier either. I know. It's really hard. Like her face just scrunches together and it's just, it's hard to watch.

Would you ever do a Simmons reality TV show like this? Like obviously it would be more like in the tune of keeping up the Kardashians and what's yes to key because you guys are family. But would you ever allow cameras to come into the Simmons house, film you and your mom fighting, film your dad lecturing you, stuff like that. Kyle, please weigh in here if you want to. What's the check? Because you would be a main character in it. I'm. You two would be the stars.

I think it'd be so fun. Keeping up with the Simmons's? Honestly, I think it'd be so much fun for just like one small, like little ringer, fun little thing. Yeah. I think that'd be awesome. But would you be on camera? Or would you be the reality TV star that slams the door shut? I'd definitely be the slam the door shut.

Because I cannot cry on camera. Like I don't cry a lot regularly. I'm just like not a crier. I don't cry in movies. It just doesn't happen very often. Good for you. I know. It's a thing.

Uh-huh. Like we went to, we go to, I go to movies with friends and they'll cry the entire time. I'm like a big prior. Like, what's happening. Wow. I know. I'd be to slam the door, turn my mic off and then go. I'd definitely be that one.

But I think that'd be so fun, especially because Ben has such a huge personality. Yeah. You could just do like keeping up with Ben Simmons and then all you guys just try to wrangle him. Yeah. That would be a show. That could definitely be a show. Are you into this? Yes.

We all get paid, right? Yes, you all do. The other show you want to talk about was Teen Wolf? Teen Wolf. I know zero about this. Teaching. Okay. So Teen Wolf, have you ever seen vampire diaries or vampire?

Yes. So, or even, what is it called? What's the vampire show? It's like, it's an older show. The only vampire knowledge I have from my youth is Twilight, which I'm happy to talk to you about. Oh, it is Twilight, okay. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Twilight in a sense. Okay.

So it's about, like, this small town and these people are slowly dying or, like, some people are dying. And they think it's like a cougar attack or some sort of animal attack. Okay. But Scott McCall, the main character, ends up running through the woods. he was trying to investigate with his best friend what had happened between this girl who had like gotten literally like even alive. Okay. And they're adventuring through the woods and then the best friend's dad sees them and he's like the dad is, he's a police officer and he's like one of the main investigators of the case. He's like, you guys have to go home.

So Scott starts running home and he gets bitten by this animal. And he's like, what was that? What just happened? Like completely baffled. And then he goes home and he starts like feeling signs and feeling different. Okay. As if he was transforming into a were wolf. Very Spider-Man of him.

Yeah. The first full moon comes and then he completely turns. Wow. And he needs some sort of like help or someone to help him like realize what's happening and how to control this. Okay. And then this character Derek comes in and he's like the werewolf and his house had burned down. His family had all died and he's like this guy who's like the hermit.

And no one really knows what happened to him. So the show follows what? The main character is the main character is gone? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there love interest? Is there like a woman-class wolf?

The funny thing is like his love interest is like her father is like the hunter of the wolves. Wow. So it's like classic tale. Classic tale. It's like almost the Romeo and Juliet. So what makes a really good TV show for you? Like talking about all these TV shows, it's got to have like romance, like good people. Definitely a love interest.

Okay. Attractive people definitely just because so it can be more interesting. and characters that I know, like, the actual actors that are relevant to me. Right. Because I think that's fun to, like, see, like, oh, I know them from blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. And then you start flying them on Instagram, right? Yeah.

Yeah. That's what happened with me in CST Key. Like, I follow every single person's Instagram, and it's incredible. Right. And you don't want something overly dramatized, even though CESA key definitely is. But, like, you want, you're saying real storylines. Like, even the YouTube shows, you'd rather watch stuff that could maybe happen or is, like, pretty realistic as if it's like, okay.

100%. Interesting. The movies you have on here, switching to movies, it's a wide array. It's definitely a wide array. The other woman, please explain why you like this movie.

This is the Leslie Man, Karen Diaz. I watched it again last night. I had to say. So for those, Kyle, have you watched this? I have. I didn't realize. Yeah. She's great.

Leslie Man is great. She's great at being drunk too. Yeah. She really is. That was hilarious. That one scene. So it's Leslie Man, Cameron Diaz.

Kate Upton, bless her soul, is trying to act. And then Jamie from Game of Thrones, like Glycoster rolled out. He's also in this as the main bad guy. Yes. Zoe, why do you like this movie? It's, okay, I look for a lot of things in movies.

I don't have like a specific line out to what I need in a movie. But it has drama between like, it's just, I don't even know how to explain why I like it. But I love rom-coms. That's like my favorite thing. And I feel like it's an ultimate rom-com for sure just because it carries so many components that I enjoy. Like there's drama and there's a love interest and there's like three women powering up together. I was going to say that's the one unique thing about this over other rom-coms is it ends up being the three women teaming up against the man. And they all win in the end because they stay together and then independent and move on with their lives.

And the guy stays like down in the dumps. It's, uh, I watched it for the first time yesterday to talk about it. Yes. Nikki Minaj is the receptionist. Just like a really brief side note. Yeah. Extremely random. So random.

2014, I can't believe. Like, I thought it came out a long time ago because of I can't believe she acted in that. I thought that Leslie Mann is a great actress and really good at physical comedy. So is Cameron Diaz. Uh-huh. And I could take her leave. Yeah. But I guess that was like the point of her whole character.

Yeah. I liked it for the reason that we just talked about that the three women end up together. Yeah. Same. Is it kind of corny? Yes. It's definitely corny. Yeah.

But as I guess we're talking about this, you're right. Like, what is there not to like? Like the women pride themselves on basically taking down a man. It's like, what's that? Kyle, do you remember that movie? John Tucker Musti? It's like exactly like that. Yeah, so you like it just because there's drama.

The women team up together. It's funny. Yeah, it's hilarious. And you like Leslie Mann? Yes. Okay. The other movie you put on here was the perfect date. Yeah, okay.

So I mixed emotions about this. Go ahead. Okay. I love Noah's Santana with all my heart, and I think he's a wonderful actor, and I've enjoyed, I'm absolutely obsessed with his other movies. Like the SPF 14, I even watched that. That was okay.

I liked it. But this movie just did not do it for me. Okay, explain why. It just wasn't the same as to all the boys I love before. Yeah, because he has such an adorable personality, and I think his acting is like no other right now just because he's like that adorable and kind of scruffy guy. Yeah. But he, I don't know, just something about him in this movie was like his main objective was to get to yell.

I know. And it's like, that's not interesting. It also felt like his schick that worked so well into all the boys of love before. It felt kind of tired because he tried the exact same thing. But it didn't work as well with this movie line because it was like, I just didn't not like it. Yeah. The other thing I was going to ask you, Cecilia Lieberman, the main actress in it, her whole character arc is like she's an independent woman. Like she doesn't really need Noah Centennial.

She's like kind of punk rock. Doesn't need doors open for her stuff like that. Yeah. Does that kind of female character appeal more to you than let's say like the damsel in distress, like, you know, to all the boys I love before it where she's like fawning all over him and it's like more of a classic romance. I like the classic romance better. Yeah. 100%. I feel like it's more appealing to me because I like see myself in that situation rather than being like that punk rock I don't care. Yeah. It feels like everyone is trying to make movies for people your age where it's like every girl

wants to be independent. Yeah. But then it's like uncool because they're trying to make it so relevant. Interesting. Okay. And you didn't like it like you thought the relationship between those two wasn't as convincing as the other ones. Definitely not. And what was I going to? Oh, yeah, she was on Austin Alley. Austin and Alley, the main girl I don't remember her name, but she was on

Austin Nally, which could bring in younger crowds. Yeah. Which I guess could be interesting for kids. We just talked about this on tea time, but like it's weird watching these rom-coms where they're like set in high school. I know. All these people are close-ish to my age. Definitely like a couple, like two or three years younger. But

I feel weird watching them and like being Yeah. Being so infatuated with to all the boys I loved before was a very weird feeling. Yeah. Because they're not for, like they're for you. You know what you mean? They're for something for you to look forward to like in high school. It felt weird looking back.

Yeah, for sure. But I love that movie and I'm obsessed with that movie. And it was disappointing to like watch this movie and not be completely in love with it. Do you think Noah Centennial goes on a run and just has five other movies where he's like a classic hunk? Yeah. When does he move on? Zoe? He doesn't have the body of high school.

I don't know. He looks 30. He's jacked. I know. If he continues, like, if he does five more movies like this, I feel like as he evolves as an actor, maybe he'll go a different route. That's very generous of you to think that he's evolving as an actor. Maybe. Maybe.

Like, I'm a Noah Centeno fan, which, like, makes me feel kind of weird inside. But you're right. I want him to be in a million more rom-coms. He's the perfect, like, charm and stuff like that. Yeah. And I like watching him because he's, like, an interesting person to watch. and he's attractive. So it's like...

It's the perfect combo. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the other topic that we wanted to cover was music. The person you have on here is Billy Elish. Yeah. I love her.

Her music is so dark. I know. It's really dark. I'm kind of shocked that you like, but everyone your age loves her. It's, she's so big right now. Like so big. So she, but like, okay, so her lyrics, for example, she just came out with a new album. When we all fall asleep, where do we go?

Yeah. It's already dark. It's very dark. It is. It is. The song titles themselves. bury a friend. Zanny.

Ben's obsessive of your friend. Do you know what Zanny is? Yeah, isn't it like a pill that makes you happy? I love Zany. No, don't think like that. Zanax is like a... Don't get mixed up on that. It doesn't make you happy.

And another song, all the girls go to hell, bad guy, you should see me in a crowd when the party's over. Like, I know. I watched all these music videos. She has black tears coming from her. I know.

She has spiders coming out of her mouth. This doesn't freak you out? I mean, it freaks me out for sure, but I don't listen to her for the music video. and like I listen to her for the music and for her voice. And I don't think of the lyrics very much, like as in a literal sense. Are you singing along though? Yeah.

Yeah, I sing along. But like, I don't know. I just like her music and I like her a aesthetic and I think she's so talented. She is, yeah. Like she writes her music and her brother went in like her stage where she wasn't as famous. Her brother made all of her music and created that for her, which I thought was really cool. Yeah. And she kind of created everything.

for herself. Yeah, she grew up in Los Vila. She grew up on the inside in LA. She's 17. She's, like, very close to, like, she's kind of back in the middle between me and you. But I feel weird, like, listening to her, loving her. Like, I don't think I'd ever go to a Billy Elish concert because I'd be surrounded by people your age. And I feel weird about that. I get it. Kyle, do you listen to Billy Eilish? I think I've heard a couple songs, and we just had DeCamero on Bill's Pod and they brought it up and Tate told me. So, you know, I have Spotify. I'll give it a go. She's really good. I feel weird kind of fan rolling over her, though.

I could get how you could feel right about that. But honestly, my mom loves her. Really? My mom really likes her too. Your parents, like, Bill and Carrie, don't get freaked out when you're singing along to bury a friend. I know. I don't think anyone my age at least takes in consideration what she's actually saying. Yeah.

Like, I love that she's expressing her feelings throughout her music, but I don't really, like, relate to that. Yeah. So I just listen to her for the music. Yeah. Because I think she's so talented. When you think about, like, her music and how much you love her and then, like, let's say Taylor's Swift's music and Taylor Swift's like all rainbows and butterflies and stuff like that. I think the reason I love Billy is because she's more real than Taylor Swift.

And like a lot of young Taylor Swift, her music, and this is like for a lot of artists right now, a lot of their music is based off of relationship and men and stuff like that. But Billy's isn't. It's based off of something that's different, like that other people might not take an approach towards because it's different. Yeah. Yeah. The other, so you were talking about.

Adele earlier in tea time. So you're wide, you have like a very wide range. Very wide range. So you like Adele, you like Billy Elish, and you like everything in between? Yeah. Okay. And you're just, like, I feel like the whole theme of this whole podcast so far has been like, you as a 13 year old, you're just looking for like real people.

Yeah. Real stories, like things that, and I think, I don't know, I feel like I was more like head in the clouds. Like, very tail when I was 13. I feel like, granted, you're very mature for your age. Oh, thank you. So, like, I think if I was 13 listening to Billy I was. I'd be kind of freaked out.

Yeah, I could totally understand that. Does Ben listen to it? Yeah. He loves the dark songs, which is concerning, but, like, very a friend. It's his favorite song. Zoe. I know, I know, I know. Ben is what, 10 years old?

11. 11. Okay, my point still stands. That is no, no difference. Okay, the other category was celebrity crushes that you want to talk about. Do you have a top three? I mean, Noah Centennial is definitely up there. Okay.

Okay, so Noah Centeno, Sean Mende. Okay. Who's the last one? I mean, there's a lot. Yeah. Kyle, I want you to be thinking about yours as we're discussing it. So, Noa Centeno No. 1.

That makes sense. Yeah, I love him. I think he's such an adorable person. That's a person that we definitely share together. We're trying to find more. Oh, Jacob Bellardi. Oh, that's fun. Oh, from the kissing booth.

Yeah. I love that movie. I'm obsessed with that movie. Honestly, I could watch it any day. Do you like Joey King? Yeah. Did you watch her on the act? No, I want to watch that.

My friends are obsessed. Oh, it's chilling. It's really. I am. every time I watch. I know. It's like very upsetting to watch pretty much the whole time. I'm excited. I really want to watch it because I support her as an actress. Yeah. I think she's really talented. I can't lie. I watched the kissing booth was like, oh my God, who is this girl? She is extremely talented. I take it all back. Every bad thought I had. Uh-huh. She can, she can

really, really add. I know. Okay, so Jacob Allorty. Is that how you say that? Yes. Okay. And are you fan-girling over them on Instagram or like, how do you follow up? I mean, I kind of like fell off of Jacob Allerty. I don't really follow them on Instagram. Like, I'm not obsess them on Instagram. I follow Sean. How do you obsess over people? I don't know. I'm like not obsessed with them. I just rewatch their movies. Okay. Is it a thing to still cut out pictures and like put... No.

Okay, yikes. Okay, never mind. I didn't do that either. That was like totally uncool too. Do you know what Liam Hems were this? He's my number one celebrity crush. Not really. What the hell, Zoe? I like kind of vaguely. Yikes. Okay. Do you know Jake Gyllenhaal? Sort of? Oh my God. I could say I went into John and Dinnings for a friend's birthday.

and Patrick Schwarzenegger walked in with Chris Pratt and like we were going insane Like it was insane Over who Patrick though? Yeah Okay He was sitting right across from us

Like we were like at the corner And he was like right right next to us And we were all just like So what's your age cap for people that you're Like noesentanao's 22-ish Yeah Is that like the oldest like Yeah

And I'm assuming like facial hairs Like how weird to you Okay that'll make sense Liam's for the record look him up Look him up during the last song because that was like my rom-com, my like perfect storyline. Okay. And he was like, he was a younger like 19, 20, whatever. Let those up.

Kyle, do you have celebrity crushes that Zoe would know? Maybe not. I'm crushing pretty hard on Emmy Rawson from Shameless. No. You love her. Okay, fine. Jessica Alba never left. And she's on a new show on Spectrum if you have Spectrum cable.

God bless Jessica Alba still trying to act. Okay. I think that's it. Everybody else is like, you know, second. Kids are my age or like Selena Gomez. She's a can-do kind of gal. That's what I like. Oh, okay.

And weirdly, Ariana Grande, which was unexpected, but like multiple people, I know. Interesting. Kyle, are you a fan of Selena or Ariana? Fan? Yeah, like fan girl. Like you have a little crush on them. No, not really. Wow, not Selena?

I mean, I can appreciate who's, are we talking about Selena Gomez? Yes. Yeah, not the other Selena. Who's another Selena? Is there another one? The Selena. Oh, Liz, you have work to do. Selena.

Yeah, this will be a journey. We'll get to that in another episode. There's a different Selena. Make she rest in peace. So Selena Gomez doesn't do it for you, Kyle. I mean, she's pretty, I'll acknowledge when people are attractive. Yeah. Those are your two, those are the majority of guys in.

Okay. Is Ben too young to have celebrity crushes? No, Ben's a horn dog. Oh, my God. Who does he like? He can't go beyond 16. I won't let him. He's blonde.

Oh, God. I know. But is he, but, okay, this is the thing. I feel like, whatever current. age you are. You can, I guess now what I'm trying, like, I really like Christian Bail. Maybe you don't even know who that is. Barely. He's like in his 40s, so that's kind of weird. I feel like you should stick within the decade that you live in. Yeah. Do you agree? He, um, if you've ever seen like Daddy's Home

or Daddy's Home too, like that girl, D.D. Costeen or something. Okay. She, he likes her. He follows her on Instagram. There's been like a DM or two. Don't. He definitely can't hear this one. Okay. So, oh my God. Okay. Ben. Ben will have to have a, take a seat on this and get a mic. I need his thoughts. She's young.

She's like probably 12. Yeah, I was going to say, do you like any 13-year-olds? There's no 13-year-olds. What about the people in your grade? Are you all? I'm so done with people in my grade. No, really? Or at my school, because it's like nearly incest at this point because everyone has known each other since kindergarten.

Yeah. Or even lower. Yeah. And it's like gross now that you've grown up with these people. How many people are in your grade? 49. Oh, yikes. Yeah.

That's a small pool. It's gross. Yeah. You were talking about worst middle school trends. Like there's a lot of, this is where you guys all start to go off the rails. Yeah. It's just, it makes me like uncomfortable the things that some people do. Okay.

It's like there's a really big golf stage right now, which is like a thing. There's like a lot of. Wallet Chains. I have some friends that too. And like my friends are fine. Like my friends that are like that, at least they pull it off. Uh-huh. Of all the things I thought were time was got hostage, I did not think would exist in 2019.

It's not even goth stage. It's like emo. What's the trademark of that? Yeah, yeah. Explain an emo person in your grade. Like so many rings. There's not really one at my grade, but like in my grade, but there's people like I see on Instagram that are in eighth grade that are doing it.

It's like a lot of silver rings with like skulls and stuff on it. Spikes? And yeah, stuff like that. Are they wearing Doc Martin's? Black. black fingernails. Please tell me the wallet chain's still around. Yeah, definitely.

Okay, thank you. Okay, good. There's, like, and there's a new trend. It's like, that's coming back. The 80s trends are definitely coming back. Like, very strong. Like, scrunchies are everywhere. Oh, I know.

I have one in my hair. That I feel worried about it because, like, everyone is doing it. I feel maybe too old, but. No, it's fine. Thank you. My mom's even doing it. We can basically break this pot into two different categories. Yeah.

What is timeless and what will last in eternity and what is absolutely not? Yeah. So we're putting scrunch and. It's in the category and emo. It's scrunchies. And then there's now, like, people wear, like, very colorful shirts, like, long-sleeve shirts under and then put a shirt over it. What the hell? A short-sleeve shirt over it.

Okay. So it's, like, long-sleeve shirt with, like, polka dots or something or, like, stripes. Uh-huh. And then, like, short-sleeve long shirt or crop top under it or over it, it's insane. So style, so this is where you guys all start to break off into different types of people. Different types. There's the emo people. You were saying a lot of people are jeweling.

Yeah, it's bad. It's really bad. Are they doing it at school? Some. Not at my school. Kyle, maybe this is the part where you had the expert. I saw this on the rundown. I knew you were going to ask me about this.

But just explain really quickly. So Julian is like not weed, but you could put weed in there. Yeah, but you've got to get creative. And I don't think it's as easy as people make it seem. Oh, so Julian is mostly to actually smoke like what an equivalent of a cigarette is. It's so bad. It makes me so mad. And there's like, it just eighth grade, like the worst side of it.

eighth graders, like, I've heard of people like alcohol and stuff like that. And just like experimenting with things that should definitely be waiting a long time for. And it's just like, in my opinion, I have a very strong opinion about this because it like affects people around me, not directly around me, but like in that vicinity. And it's just like, I just don't think it's ever necessary in your life, but if you're going to do it not now. Yeah. For context, I was completely on board when I was your age of that too. Like the most embarrassing story I have looking back and it was in between seventh and eighth grade. So a tiny bit younger.

Think back like a couple months from now. My best friends and I from the seventh grade, it was our last day of school. We all went into her closet. We sat in a circle like knees touching and we all went around and we said the F word for the first time. That is how naive Liz Kelly was at 13 years old. Oh my God. That's amazing.

Like I've made a large transformation. But like I was, I never went through the Goth Bayes. If Julian was around and I was your age, I would not be Julian. Yeah. I was like as straight lay as possibly as you. Uh-huh. It's just... And the sexy Instagram post you were talking about, too, right? Yeah. That's... I mean, because I see it a lot, it's like, it doesn't really phase me anymore.

But this was more of my dad, like, put it in there. You need to talk about this. Yeah, your dad came on tea time and talked about a Zoe Simmons picture. Okay, so that was like... I did not think that was about it. We all, for the record, were on your side, right? Yeah. And he kind of, like, he went really insane over it because he's very productive and I learned from now, from then. Imagine if he was dealing with you as a gov as like a tool in your pocket. It could be a lot worse. That's what I always told my parents. We're worried about that.

He'll be fine. Yeah, Ben will be okay. He'll be fine. But it's like what he does not like when he looks on my Instagram is like the cover the face and then just like a bathing suit picture. Yikes. Or like also at 13 like it has to be said. There's like it's like there's nothing to see.

I know. I don't know why you guys are even posting that in the first place. I know. Although that probably makes me sound super super. super old. No, it doesn't. I don't think it's okay. It should not be happening. Are your teachers on Instagram? Do people know about this at school? Teachers are not allowed to like follow us on Instagram until we leave. Because I think it I think it'd be weird if like some certain teachers like followed us in Instagram. There's no weird creepy teacher at my school. That's good.

But just like certain teachers would be weird. Like I'm fine with like my core teacher. Uh-huh. My home room teacher Lil, like she's incredible. I love her and I'd be totally fine if she is like following me on Instagram. Do you think these teachers like actually know more than they're letting on? Like Definitely. Like they can search for people. Like they know what their students are doing. Because they've seen so many middle schoolers go in and go out. And I think by now they've made a routine of like they know.

Yeah. Despite they haven't seen them on social media or outside of school. Like they know this person's like this and this person's like this. Yeah. It's funny. It's just you can tell. So for Realties basically was like Zoe Simmons interest. And like your thoughts on the world.

Your thoughts on being 13 in like a couple sentences are what? You like it. You're about to turn 14. Mm-hmm. Are you excited? Are you ready? Yeah, definitely ready for a change. Do you think it'll be different than 13?

Not really. Okay. But I don't know. Just because all my friends are already 14, I'm one of the younger in my grade. I was like that too, yeah. Yeah. So it's like not as overwhelming or, like, surprising. It's just going to, I feel like it won't be that different.

But if I were to explain 13 in, like, a sentence or maybe even in a word, probably confusing. Yeah. Just because it's, like, so much changes, like, friends and, like, people change and go through, phases and stuff. And it's weird to like navigate through all of it, especially because it's like a hard year like eighth grade, not in the sense of like work or anything, but it's just like a hard friend year, like figuring out who your people are and what group Sansei fit in. Yeah, we're going to put confusing in the timeless category. Because I think 13 will eternally be confusing. Yeah, definitely confusing. So for realties going forward will be what? Like all the things you're

interested in. Yeah. Obsessions at the moment. Uh-huh. Netflix stuff. What else? Just trendy things that aren't covered in anything else that like I would want to. to hear if I were to listen to a podcast. Yeah. And are 13-year-olds listening to podcasts? I think it could happen. Oh, okay. I have some friends that listen to my podcast and they're like, you're doing really

great and I love listening to it. And I'm like, that makes me so happy to hear that people enjoy what I'm talking about. Because I'm really passionate about everything that I love. And it's always something that's really important to me. Yeah. So to hear that other people relate and like that it's helping. I've gotten a lot of DMs that on my Frillsies account. Oh, really?

that like their children, they're taking my advice and trying it on their kids and like movies they're watching with their kids that I like. And it's just like it means a lot that people find it important, what I have to say. Yeah, you on a mic would be extremely different than me at 13 on a mic. I don't think I could string together a sentence, let alone speak to these things like that. Okay, so we have a lot to look forward to Forreelsies. Anything else you want to end on? I don't think so.

I think we covered everything. Okay. Thanks, Kyle. This has been Liz, Zawie, and Forerilsies. Yes.