The Press Box - Ep. 109: 'Jam Session' With Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: May 11, 2016

Juliet and Amanda discuss Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner's rekindling in Paris, the Kardashians’ trip to Cuba (10:00), Ryan Gosling's new baby (23:00), and Jenny Slate and Chris Evans's newfound love. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Amanda Dobbins. We've got breaking news that we're going to get to. A lot, it's something very important to us. Are we going to start with it? Yeah, but just so you guys know, we're also going to be running down the Kardashians in Cuba. Yeah, we got some thoughts about that. The new baby Gosling, pun intended. Yes.

And finally, a hot new couple on the scene, Jenny Slate and Chris Evans. Oh, my God. So many takes. Okay, let's go. couple, the first family of our hearts, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner, are in Paris, they're with their kids. They're making out. They're making out.

They're making out in Paris. And People Magazine says they want it, that Ben wants to reconcile. Wow. This is really dramatic. So why are they in Paris, just for a family vacation? I'm sure that they're also promoting something. Something. I mean, oh, maybe there's like some Batman duties going on.

Yeah. I think he's always just selling himself at this point. That's kind of the Ben Affleck career trajectory is give me attention. and money for that attention or give me death. Honestly, not a bad, not a bad strategy. It's true. Five days ago, the Daily Mail ran a story called, All caps, picture exclusive, Ben and Jen reunited.

A strange Affleck and Garner appear closer than ever as they enjoy family holiday in Paris amid claims they, quote, were kissing in hotel bar, close quote. Okay, so let me, I want to start here. Okay. How do you feel about a divorced couple living on the same property, as they are reportedly doing, and then going on family vacations together, quote, for the sake of the kids, unquote. I feel mixed about it.

Okay. On the one hand, I think it's nice to try to maintain normalcy for their kids. Sure. But on the other hand, it must be very confusing for them. Like, are their parents together? Are they not? Are we, like, do we have one house? Do we have two?

Like, it just must be like just a challenge, especially for the oldest, for Violet. Who seems the most aware. Yeah. In the truly tragic Vanity Fair article, Jennifer Garner mentioned that Violet was sleeping in bed with her because she was wearing the changes. I agree with you. As a child of divorce, this is confusing. You need to set boundaries, okay? And making out in Paris is not setting boundaries. And also, if you're going to go on a vacation, like, don't alert the paparazzi. There's a lot of photos of them eating ice cream, which looks delicious all over Paris. Looks wonderful. Separately, we're both going to Paris in the near future. I'm going in September. I plan to eat jolato and also make out in Paris.

Some of my plans. With anyone in particular or just like whoever comes along. Yeah, Chris Evans, whoever's on the scene. Whoever is available. First available. There's this couple. They're in this band called Johnny Swim. It actually happens to be Donna Summer's daughter.

Great. And this other guy who she married. And I know about them from a Steph Curry Instagram video. And there's a video of them singing LaVian Rose on like the, on like, bridge over the Stent and Paris. I think you've tried to send me this video before. You've been like, isn't this a beautiful example of love? And I like broke out in hives.

Continue. Anyway, so between Adleck and Garner, making out in the hotel bar, allegedly, and the kids having ice cream and this Johnny Swim video, I've got like a lot of expectations going into my fall Paris trip. Did you just learn that Paris is the city of love? No. however had I thought about it in those terms before last time I was there the euros were happening

and I didn't know about the Euro like the soccer tournament and I was staying at like some you know like hostile or whatever I was 18 and the Greek team like had some big upset over who I think over France perhaps okay and like people were like banging on windows all night long and that really stuck in my head as like my first like big trip as like without my parents you know So I think it was a city of soccer, not a city of love. Okay, fair enough. All right. It is sometimes featured in romantic films just from time to time.

Like not a theme or a motif or anything for Paris. Don't worry. No one associated it with love. I want to ask you one more question about Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner making out in Paris, which is, how do we feel about this for Garner? Great question. The source in People magazine says that Ben wants Jen back. A source, and I'm going to keep reading. I'm going to read the full quote from the source.

Are you ready? Ben wants Jen back. Ben wants to get back together. He wants her back. So I don't know. Just in case it wasn't clear. According to this person talking to people, Ben wants her back. Well, I like that she's in the power position.

Sure. Number one. Number two. Is she in the power position? Well, she, I don't know. She's been making him look bad in general, I think. I mean, he's doing it to himself as well. Yeah.

I don't know. I feel so. conflicted about this. Like, I like, like, like, to believe in them as, like, a wonderful celebrity family. But at the same time, it's really hard to support bad afflock these days. I mean, I want Jennifer Garner to have the dream of dancing with her husband at her daughter's wedding. That's a great point. I want that. I, you know, that's still, and I hate weddings, and it still sticks with me as, like, a really important thing. But I, I feel that she, it would be a side of weakness and also possibly a mistake to let him back. I, it's just kind of

like, we know, we know what's been going on. It seems like, yeah. We have seen the instruction. And he seems like he's very cyclical in what he does. Like this, every, every move he's pulling we've seen before, it's like 10 years ago. It's been a year of wine. And like, I support. For her, for you or for both. For everyone. For us as a nation. And like, it's fine to have a year of wine. I hope that she'll have many more years of wine, but like happy wine. You know, I don't want another year of sad wine for Jennifer Garner. It's also just like, in general, I, I am very, very skeptical of round two's for like most couples guys can you name a successful one i can't think of one on the top of my head no i'm trying trying to think of other like celebrity ones i'm trying to think of any in

my personal life it's tough yeah it's not it's just if you have a big schism like that like a how do you like ever get trust back i don't know as as someone who's like i mean as we learned from the film uh lemonade like you can also like there are many different ways to lose trust in a relationship and I suppose whatever outcome you decide on is the right outcome for you. Sure. But if you've already decided to move on. Maybe you should just move on.

Keep the train moving. Yeah. I don't know. I'm actually more worried about her career. Like she hasn't had a hit or like objectively. She's not trying to anymore. She's making religious movies and Capital One ads. And she's getting paid as we learned in the Vanity Fair article.

It's true. And I'm happy she's getting paid work, woman. But I just want the best for her all around. And that includes her career output. It would be cool if they actually didn't. Well, I guess the divorce hasn't gone through, right? Not yet. I think it would be cool if they were, like, legally divorced and then just kind of had a, like,

ongoing relationship as Jennifer Garner made room for it in her life. Sure. I guess that would be really hard on the kids. I would like her to get a steady TV show and, like, she should get like a Hulu show or something. That seems great. There's got to be, like, an up-and-coming streaming network that could just throw Jennifer Garner a show. Sure.

Or, like, the Kings who wrote The Good Wife. They're free. Oh, yeah. for Jennifer Garner. Okay. Yeah. I would like, I just want, I want the best for her. And I don't know if that includes Ben Affleck, but this is, this is vexing.

Though I just let's, it's true. Long term, I don't know this is a good thing, but like making out in Paris, like, shout out to you guys. Totally. That's great. Good job. Great. Keep doing you, Jennifer Gardner.

I'm sure it is. I'm sure it's incredible. Do they have casinos in Paris for Ben Affleck? No, God. I actually don't know about that. No, I know that they have, he's probably going to, you know, somewhere on Riviera. Probably good point. He probably like just goes like for the night and comes back. Yeah. I'm very sketchy on my European geography, but I think that's doable in one evening.

I don't really know now. All right. So in conclusion, Jennifer Garner, we continue to support you. Make good choices. Yeah, make good choices. Think about your kids. What you're doing. Yeah. Speaking of people who don't make good choices, the Kardashians are in Cuba. Can you tell me why they're in Cuba? They're in Cuba film. Well, they're in Cuba filming for their television. show. They are in Cuba. So that's the annual family vacation? Yes. I believe so. I mean, you know, I haven't seen the previous locations include Thailand. Yes. And I think they went to, I think they went to the French Riviera once. I don't remember that one. The women took a really nice trip to the Caribbean somewhere. Oh. They stayed at a hotel called La Bonan,

which I've like always wanted to say it. Like as in a banana? Yes, but you know, crunch. Cool. So much French going on in this podcast today. Okay. No, I'm not doing a French accent. I wish Chris Ryan were here to just like start doing Pepe with Pew. So anyway, they are filming their show in Cuba. That's like the given reason why they're there. Obviously, you know, they're taking advantage of like the newly unembarked Cuba and just like get as much. Presumably they are inspired by Obama and the sport of baseball. Yeah, I'm sure that those were the two things that, no.

I mean, they're just there because to get attention. It's very weird. I've one suspicion about it, which is I've often heard the ratings to the show are actually not that good compared with their. celebrity. And I wonder if like this was a cheap place to them to go for and for the production to go. I'm sure that that was part of it. Yeah. I think that's also why like Cuba is in every single magazine currently because it is a cheap, exotic place to go and shoot. Okay. Thanks for bringing that up. So not only the Kardashians in Cuba, there's also a big New York magazine, The Cut article this week about how Carl Lagerfeld's Chanel show in Cuba. Right.

Starring Tilda Swinton and Giselle, I believe. Yeah. And it was, I mean, I don't know whether it's the article or the fashion show. I think both were like fairly tone deaf in terms of just parachuting in and being like, isn't this fabulous? And ignoring all of like the economic and political realities there. Not a great look. But yeah, it's an issue. A lot of people just showing up in Cuba and saying really dumb things.

The article made this seem like the most tone deaf fashion show like in the history of the world. It kind of referred to like the plight of having been a socialist country for 50 years more than that as like something like cute or like adorable. Like those were two words that were used. I know, to be fair, those were like overheard from fashion editors. Yeah. Which, I mean, not to defend it, but it's not. It's not that the writer made it seem like it was cute or adorable, but it made it seem like the general Chanel production had no context for why like Cuba was the way it was. Like there's a quote from Tilda Swinton saying it like reminded her of fashion in the 80s.

God. When people, like, weren't taking photos. Told up. I love you, but, oh. It was like no one's ever heard of Cuba before. It's like they were on Mars and they didn't know to expect. And so this was the problem. Like, the Kardashians are obviously posting constantly about their trip.

So, like, Chloe. I'm not going up Courtney's tweet for us. Oh, yeah. That's a great one. But first, there was, like, Chloe who was just, like, posing under some sort of statue of Fidel and, like, looking really sexy. And people were kind of like, um, maybe we should kind of put this in some sort the political context, but, you know, obviously she doesn't know that.

There was also a really great New York Post, I believe, article about how the Kardashians were not having a good time in Cuba because there wasn't enough Wi-Fi to support their Snapchatting. That's crazy. Which is next level incredible. I hope that that's true. There's also a picture of Chris Jenner, like sitting on top of a convertible mini in Cuba, just like throwing her arms up being like, hey, I'm here.

And it's like a happy Mother's Day photo. It's so unbelievable. And then Chloe did one of herself against like an orange wall with the quote of herself, just so that's clear. No, this is, this is Courtney. Sorry, this is Courtney. You are so brave and quiet. I forget you are suffering, Ernest Hemingway. Jesus Christ.

So I guess they were going to Ernest Hemingway's house that day. And it's just, it's shocking. It's just the most, like, unaware, bizarre development in the Kardashian world. So much of what they do, you can say, like, this. they have no awareness or whatever. But when you introduce like an element of like geopolitical history and a lack of understanding of where you are, it's like, it's repulsive. I know.

It's like cultural appropriation 101, like in things not to do. And just also really stupid. My favorite part of the same New York Post article that said that they were really mad about not being able to Snapchat was just like no also pointed out that literally no one in Cuba knows who they are and doesn't care about them because they're not like up on the Kardashians. They're not familiar like with the E-network, which I thought was like a really great bit of carmic. I love that.

Retribution. Yeah. Not the best week for them. No, definitely not. They're just, I'm not like a fan of the show. I do like how into their family they are and I think that's genuine. Yes. But like they feel like this trip is like a perfect encapsulation of like why I find their brand of

celebrity objectionable, which is like there's, keep going. There's no contacts to any of it. It's just like self-promotion for the sake of self-promotion. And like that is both like the M.O. and the end goal is to constantly promote, promote, promote. And when you against like a certain back, like in LA, like on their show, like the backdrop is not as astounding. But when you like pluck them out of like basically luxury, it's just like kind of astounding. This is as close to putting them in a vacuum as you can get. Yes, that's true. I would agree with all of that. I'm a little softer on the Kardashians in general than you are. I find them pretty entertaining. I've been known to, like, turn the show on. It is, it's one thing when it's self-promotion and the only thing

that it is at stake is their own lives. Right. And they're just, they're operating within the vacuum of Los Angeles where everything is like shallow and ridiculous. Sure. It's basically a city event for reality television. Yes, absolutely. And there's something just about the, as you said, the lack of awareness and putting them in another context where they don't matter at all and are just blundering through it in such an ignorant way. It's almost like they're in front of like an ignorance green screen. And it's like one of the places it would look the worst for us to go. And they found it. And they're milking it for all their worth. Yeah. The other thing I just want to say, they did some sort of dance class, which like I don't know. It's nothing about.

this is sensitive or correct. We have agreed with that, but they made all the little children dance and the photos were very cute. The kids are cute. Which by the way, it's just like the sentence I just said and I'm guilty of it, but that is like a summation of how the Kardashians work and how they are the most successful, like family currently in business is because they do all of this highly objectionable, like really stupid stuff. And then they hit on one cute or funny thing. And like idiots like me are like, oh, but I like that. The kids are cute. Do you see the picture of St. West? No.

Adorable baby. A new one? Yeah. Connie was holding him in the airport, I guess, on the way to Cuba. I missed that. He's really cute. They're both extremely cute. Yeah, they're really good-looking kids.

Nora has great style. I know. She's great clothes. Also, I find Courtney's kids to be adorable, too. I was about to say I'm really partial to Penelope. Yeah, she was a really cute baby. Penelope's got a lot of attitude. Penelope looks so much like her brother Mason.

It's crazy. Yes. It's weird when siblings look that alike. And it's very cute that Penelope and North are like best friends and always holding hands and being like, power. That is really cute. Okay.

So now we're part of the problem. It's true. Yeah. I really wish Kanye West wasn't in their family. I just keep coming back to that. Wow. It's really hard for me. Because like him being involved in their their type of like commercial

endeavors like just really complicates his work, which maybe isn't fair to him. And like is I'm like I'm reading too much into it. But like it's hard for me to listen to his music since he's gotten together with Kim Kardashian without wondering. about the Kardashian effect on his work. And I love his work. Interesting. I sort of, see, I feel that, like, Kim and Kanye came at the right moment for both of them.

I do feel like, I don't know musically whether it was the best moment for Kanye. I think that that's an interesting point, though, you know, I think musically everyone has their ups and downs. Sure. I do feel that in terms of relevance, it really helped both Kim and Kanye. Also, she seems like she's improved. a result of the relationship more than he has, like, gotten worse and however you could quantify that. I mean, the thing is, like, I just, like, I love his music and I think he's a genius. So it upset.

If he's not focusing on the. And it just, like, upsets me that, like, this group of people that I find objectionable is so closely tied to, like, music that I really enjoy and, like, think he's a valuable member of, like, the creative world. That's interesting. It just, like, upsets me. I still, I, yeah, I don't feel that way at all. But I think it is also because I like the Kardashians a little.

more than you do. Right. Like this is more my own problem really than anyone else is. It's good. It's good to have complicated feelings. But like I think famous is such a good song. Like I probably my second favorite from that album. What's the number one? Um, ultra light beams. Yeah. Ultra light beam. I was thinking about this. I was trying to think about the song of summer this morning and I was like, hmm, which doesn't is not a thing that exists anymore because music is separate from. I recall when you wrote about that for Bolger's before I knew you. I was like yes. This is great. Yeah. And I was we can go into that another time. But then I was just thinking a little bit about like the songs of 2016. I think ultralight beam is still number one. Um, I'm very excited about the

chance record. Absolutely. Did you like blessing? Blessings. Yeah, of course. It's really good. He's really good. Yeah, I'm a human. I have feelings. Did you see the cover of Complex with Chance and Lynn Manuel Miranda? Oh my God. I was just like, wow, they've captured the zeitgeist. They've literally captured the zeitgeist and they're like standing on top of a construction site, like riffing on that really famous photograph of the construction workers. They're like on top of a beam. they're wearing overalls and like just the headline is self-made. And I was like, that's great. I was like, that's great work.

It really is. I was like, good job. And I also really impressed you got Chance and Lynn Manmoe Miranda. Totally. It was really good. Okay, let's move on. First, let's talk about our sponsors, though. Juliet.

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It's true. There's a new baby in town. There's a new baby, so can I share my personal story about learning about the baby? I don't know whether this was a TMZ typo or like someone else on Twitter, but I was sure with TMZ. I was made aware. that there was a new baby in the world and her name was Amanda Gosling. You know what? I was excited.

In general, it's hard out there for an Amanda. Like the number of cool Amanda's versus the number of like not cool Amanda's. Who's the number one cool Amanda? Amanda Pete is like really the only Amanda that we have. I can't believe. I love her. It's like you're too close. And so you couldn't remember the number one Amanda.

I can't think of any other cool Amanda's. Yeah, no, there aren't. There are however like. One thing we've never discussed is. how you have almost the same name as Amanda Knox, another famous Amanda. How that affects your stock as a human? It was really tough. So just for everyone, everyone at home, my full name is Amanda Knox Dobbins.

That's always been my name. Knox is a family name. So when Amanda Knox, the alleged murderer. Okay. All right. She was not guilty. Yeah. Yeah.

When Amanda Knox got into all the legal troubles in Italy, it was not great for my Google results. And I did hear from like, I think my aunt had like a couple second or third cousins email her and be like, that's not our mandanax, is it? Which by the way, is a super uncomfortable thing. That's so rude. Not only is it, was she alleged of being a murderer, but there was like kinky, like sex cult aspects of the allegations. Oh, yeah. I didn't know about that.

Yeah. Like I think one of the theories was that she murdered the, which let's be curious. She was not, she did not murder anyone. But one of the allegations was that the death was part of like a weird sex cult ritual. It was her roommate, right? Yeah. Oh, interesting. So that was uncomfortable. So she's not a top Amanda.

She's not a top Amanda. I would say that that's like a negative association. You could say so, yes. There's Amanda Palmer, which I'm like not wild about. Well, she's a model Amanda's. Well, here's another thing. Amanda is like one of the most common names on The Bachelor as far as contestants go. So that's really tough.

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Thank you. Jojo, it's your time. It's your time, girl. Okay, so you're happy to have a new Amanda, Amanda Gosling. I was thrilled. I was ready. The daughter? I don't know if we said this, the daughter of Ryan Gosling and Eva Mendez.

Yeah. And also, like, you know, for a moment, you hear Amanda Gosling and you think if I lived another life and I were the type of woman who would change my name, like, that's what my name would be. Experience that feeling for about 20 seconds before someone rudely tells you that her name is actually Amada. Is it Amada or Amanda? It's Amata.

It is Amada. Amanda was a typo. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So I read it as Amata. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, maybe. And then you told me it was Amanda.

Yeah, no. Oh, so it is Amada. It's Amanda. Yeah. Oh, my God. Crazy. It's really upsetting. Oh, this whole time I thought it was Amanda.

I'm sorry. Now you know how I feel. Just snatched away. Amada kind of makes more sense. Like, I can't imagine Ryan Gosling choosing Amanda for his daughter. No, I can't imagine anyone choosing Amanda for their daughter. Do you think he's like a loving father? It's so hard for you to imagine him with children.

What's the iconic Ryan Gosling role for you? Like when you think Ryan Gosling, come on. No book. Go ahead of town. This is bizarre. This is bizarre. But for me, it's half Nelson. Like, I just, like, that's not an answer.

That's the Ryan Gosling I think of. And that guy, while he's probably a very compassionate teacher, I don't know if I'd want him as the father of my children. Yeah, I think of him as notebook. I guess most people think of him as Noah. Yeah, I think of him as Noah. I really prefer to think of Ryan, of only, like, comedic Ryan Gosling. Like in crazy stupid love. Crazy stupid love, big short.

Yes, he's very good in that. I have fashion friends. beautiful incredible quote I yeah to be clear that was a quote I don't actually have fashion friends even as the uh I think you do you've like I can think of like one um I think that he's also very charming and remember the Titans oh yeah sunshine yeah and also I watched breaker high did you watch breaker high no I did it oh it was it was a Canadian show about semester at sea but for high school kids that he was on yeah and obviously he's just been he's been around for a long time because a lot of the gossiping to choose from who's the football player who looks like

Um, Jared Gaw? Yeah. Definitely. Anyway. Yes. That's a note from our slack. Yeah, it's true. But he really just like do a side by side.

He really, remember the Titans Gosling and Goff like exactly like each other. Anyway. Yeah. So I think of Gosling as like funny, nice kind of wry Gosling. So I think that he would be very cute with children. Also, yesterday I saw a picture of him putting his child into a car seat. Like a longer one? Long lens paparazzi photo.

Yes. and she was wearing overalls, and he had like, I'm concentrating dad face. So I felt that was great. Okay. I want to believe he's a good father. Who do you think gets officially divorced first? Garner Affleck or Mendez Gosling? Well, are Mendez Gosling officially married?

They're not. Sorry. Who officially breaks up? Who moves out of the same home? Tate, why is that so funny? Tate's literally losing. That's so sad. I probably guard her off.

I just have a hard time believing in Mendez Gosling. It's just because he doesn't emit pathos in his daily life. When you capture him on... Wow. Like, I just think in photographs, I don't see him. I'm like, oh, that guy has a lot of feelings. Like, I just don't know how I don't see it. I legit just imagine him doing like the baby talk and offering her pancakes every morning,

a la notebook. She's a notebook a lot of times. It's a great American film. Yeah, I... It's tough for me because Gosling's one of the ones I really love, and so I'm just like a little like hurt that he's with Ava Minna. I guess he's like, why do you have to do that? I don't really love him.

He's just not the one for me. I don't know why, but he's just not. You are baffling to me. We are, you are a kindred spirit to me in so many ways. And when it comes to your taste in men, it's just like I'm all over the map. Yeah, I don't really know what to make of that. I think also. I think it's because I can't imagine him like sitting down with a book.

Even though he reads Walt Whitman in the notebook, I just can't imagine that Ryan Gosson reads a lot. He's like the guy who has in his head. hair advice on the bookshelf for when women come over but has never actually read it. Worst case scenario really into the fountain head. Like that is, oh God, he is really into the found. That's terrible. That's a really true. Don't you think he would grow out of it though? I hope so. I think he was really into the found and head like in 2004 when he was like very young. When he learned how to read? Just after breaking up with Sandra Bullock, please never forget that Ryan Gosling and Sandra Bullock dated.

She was nine years older and it was an inspiration. I think that's when she was like 30 and he was like 21. That's incredible. I know, I love it. As a 30-year-old woman, it's a dream to think about. Tanner Bullock, a true hero. Seriously. So I think he probably liked the fountain head. Like, after that breakup, it was one of the ways that he was choping with being

talked by an older woman. But I like to think he's a dad now and he is sensitive. And I like to think that he's moved past it. Do you think he's now he's like into the rabbit run books? Oh, God, I hope not. Can we just like, I'm excited in the worst reading list. You're ruining him for me right now. He's definitely read some Nassgard.

I don't know how I feel about that. On a plane, no doubt. It's just, like, more out of, like, general curiosity because he wants to be plugged into the culture than because he thinks that, like, my struggle is the way to go. Sure. He's probably like, yeah, my struggle, man. Hey, girl, let me tell you about my struggle. Okay, goodbye.

Goodbye. Unsubscribe. You're ruining Ryan Gossing for me. This is not okay. Okay. Something else that is baffling that happened this week is it came out this morning that Jenny Slate and Chris Evans are now dating. Jenny Slate of Marcel the Shell, obvious child, and recently girls, and Chris Evans,

aka Captain America. I love it. I'm into it, too. I'm so thrilled. There was a lot of debate in the ringer offices about whether this was the right move for Jenny Slate. How can anyone argue it's the wrong move? I really don't know, but there are a lot of people out here trying to find, like,

Chris Evans is not a man that you would want to have sex with. And let's just be clear. The one thing that Chris Evans has going is that he is a man that he wants to have sex with him. That is his appeal. That is how he's cast in America. That's it. That's all he has. I believe he broke out in not another teen movie because he was like naked in that movie at one point.

Like he didn't he do the whipped cream bikini but on his penis in that movie? Yes. So he is the alley larder of our lives, but as a man. Yeah. So like he has been objectified. Like that is like how he came into the consciousness. That's, that's his job. As an object of sexual desire.

Yeah, that's his job. So Jenny Slate's making good on that. I feel I feel really great for her. And some people felt that it was sort of a denial of her general place in the culture. And also just like a... People are mostly just upset about Marcel de Shell. But like, here's the thing. People are just really upset that Marcel de Shell, like, may no longer exist because

it's something that she worked on with her ex-husband. Yes. Who, apparently I did some reading. She and her ex-husband broke up amicably. Okay. According to us weekly, I choose to believe that. Well, I'm not surprised to hear that. Well, I'm not surprised that maybe it wasn't working for both.

them because I feel like he was a really big part of her stand-up routine. And in general, they worked together a lot. And then she kind of just, like, got more famous and has done a few things that have been, like, really beloved. Yeah. And that's often not great for Hollywood marriages. Yeah, that's tough. We know that very well on Jam Session.

Yeah. I do wonder if this, like, in any way, could be bad for her comedy career, maybe not her acting career, but she was, like, deeply embedded in this comedy world that she and her husband were both in, I believe. And I say that based on that. her stand-a-back that I saw like two years ago. I think she'll be okay. She and Chris Evans apparently met on the set of a movie that they filmed together. Oh, it's coming soon? Yeah, so her career is doing okay. I loved Obvious Child. I did too. Great movie and she's very good

in it. And she discovered our friend Jake Lacey. That was the beginning of Jake Lacey's career as playing literally impossibly nice guys. Like the guy, yeah, like the guy that he plays and everything, it does not exist. Yeah, it's really tough. Yeah. But yeah, he seems lovely based on those guys. Because then he played Fran on girls. He was on the, he was like the gym replacement for the last season of the office. It's ridiculous.

And he was also in our least favorite movie of 2016, How to Be Single. Yes, that was upsetting. I'm ignoring that part. So you listen to the Ana Farris podcast. Yes. So Chris and Jenny. So we learned this news that Chris and Jenny are dating.

And then it was also confirmed to people. So like, I think this is really real. I think it's legit. I'm happy for her. I'm happy for her too. But so, many people on the internet pointed out that a little while ago, Chris Evans and Jenny Slate were on Anna Farris' podcast together. So I went back to the source material to look for origins. You're a great journalist. So I'm going to say this. I only made it through 20 or 25 minutes because... It's a long podcast. As I say that, on a 40 minute long podcast. And at some point, it turned into like a long conversation about like waxing and and, and Chris Evans expressing some pretty retrograde and ungreat opinions about, you know, how groomed a woman should be that he's interested in.

That was not great for me. I really, I went in hot for Chris Evans and I was a little less thrilled. That makes me go, hmm. It makes me go, too. It makes me rethink my Chris rankings. Oh. I don't know if I'm going to knock Chris Evans down from the number one spot, but I was just like, well, now I have to kind of reassess this. Interesting.

I really like the Hemsworth family. So I'd put Chris Hemsworth at number one. having seen very little of his work, but just for general, liking him in his family. I liked him in the photograph from the upcoming Ghostbusters movie that was released. He looks great. That's like basically an ideal Chris Hemsworth situation. I haven't seen Thor, but I have seen The Avengers. And he was delightful on that.

Yeah, he's very good. I heard that Rush was a good movie. It was not a great movie, but he was really charming in it. And basically his shirt was like never buttoned, so that is all you want from Chris Hemsworth. obsessed to the third Hemsworth, Luke, who's shorter and less famous than his brothers. And therefore, I just, like, interested in him. So, okay, sorry. Back to Chris Pine.

I mean, Chris Evans. Oh, yeah, we forgot about Chris Pine too. He's out. He's out. He's okay. I like that he cried at the Oscars. I like him in Star Trek. I like the Star Trek movies.

I'm not a Trekkie so I can enjoy them without, like, objecting to their, like, how they're not making good on the series. But, yeah, he's number three for me. I go Hemsworth Evans Pine. Okay. there's a fourth Chris that we're forgetting. Who are you forgetting? Pratt, obviously, related to Anna Farras, who I love, but it's like a little too beefy

and a little too goofy for me. I would say he's too full of a person to be ranked. Yes, it's true. That's a good point. Like he is like beyond rankings because he is like a real fully formed person. Yeah. At least to me, I'm sure they all are. I think that's great.

I think that that should be our policy. So of the other three, I think I went Evans Pine, Hemsberg. birth. But, because, you know, I like assholes. Yeah. But I, as, don't we all? Yeah. As I learned on this podcast, Chris Evans is maybe too much of an asshole.

So I'm going to rethink that. Anyway, before the really unfortunate grooming conversation. I just want to say also that I thought Jenny Slate handled the grooming conversation very well. Interesting. And made, like, a lot of great points about women should do what they want. So, like, shout out to Jenny Slate. Do you think they had sex yet at that point? Yeah, definitely.

Interesting. That's an important wrinkle. Well, so here's the thing. It started out with 10 minutes of conversation about male-female friendships and, like, heterosexual friendships and how important that is. And it's, like, so great to have a platonic, like, male or female best friend. And Ana Ferris is talking with, like, her podcast producer, who is her best friend. A man.

Yeah. And then, and she's like, it seems like you two have a relationship just like we do. And they talk about, and so then Chris Evans and Jenny Slate talk about how they just met, but it's so amazing and like what a connection. It's so important to have friends, which is just like warning signs. Like, claring up. Come on, guys.

We love each other so much as friends. And then, like, you fell on to each other's genitals. It's fine. But the other thing that happens is that Chris Evans is talking about how having, like, women friends has always been really important to him. That's like a core part of his identity. Okay. I can get behind that.

I don't know. I don't know because he's talking about. I like having more. women friends too. I do too. But he's talking about this, like, he's like, my best friend is a woman, like, who I grew up with in Massachusetts, and I've known her forever, and we're best friends. And, like, I don't want to make assumptions about this woman. Like, you know, I don't know what kind of relationship she's interested in. Like, she's her own person. But like, like, I was just thinking, how pissed do you think this chick is that she's just been like, it friends zoned with Chris Evans

for her whole life? I would be so mad. So upsetting. It's kind of like, can you imagine the dignity. Oh, that's like the beginning of Dawson's Creek, Joey and Pacey. Yeah, it's true. And Jenny Slate is the Jen, you know, the new girl in town. Chris Evans is no one's friend. He's not there. He is not meant to be friends. That's not his role in life. Damn. Did he come across likable other than some of your previously stated qualms? It was really bro-y. I'm going to listen to it. That just doesn't surprise me. Also, it kind of sounds like that is not necessarily Jenny Slate's scenes. It also kind of doesn't surprise me that she fell into it. And she was. She was talking a little bit about that.

She was like, I didn't know if we would be friends because, you know, he's such a, he's a bro and he's in superhero movies and I'm interested in feminist concerns. That's a real thing she said, by the way. Jenny Slate's a hero. And then she's like, but then we met and we just, you know, and I was like, oh, and you like really wanted to bang each other. I love this. I kind of love this story.

Yeah, it's great. I hope they're having the best sex of their lives. Me too. I hope it lasts for like three to four months until they're both, like, ready to move on. Can we at least get us? Let's send them to Paris. I don't know. Okay, great. Kiss in the hotel bar, guys. I just found out it's the city of love. All right. You know, let's let know that note. Have great sex. Yes. Good luck to all of you. And thank you again to SimplySafe. Most home security companies just make your life worse. They drill holes in your walls to install an outdated system and then they lock you in an ironclad long-term contract.

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