The Press Box - Ep. 118: 'Bachelorette Party' With Juliet Litman and the Sports Gal

Episode Date: May 24, 2016

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and the Sports Gal on JoJo Fletcher's 'Bachelorette' 2016 premiere. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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seek geek app or go to seek geek.com. Welcome to Bachelorette party. I'm Juliet Litman. I am joined with my very special guest, the sports gal. Hi, everybody. Welcome back. Thank you. I'm going to call this Bachelorette party.

It was Bachelorette party during the bachelor season. Bachelorette. I like it. Is that confusing? Not to me, but... Okay. Cool. Hopefully no one else. This is the only kind of

Bachelor at party that I really want to be a part of. Like actual Bachelor at parties, meh, this podcast, so excited. We were just bullshitting before we even started. There's a lot to discuss last night. What was your overall impression of the first episode?

I felt like I got the feeling that I knew who was going to win the minute he stepped out of the limo. Yes. We will be talking about Jordan in a minute. And so that was kind of like, so then I was just kind of looking for someone to jump out. I felt like there was a lot of gimmicks. Yeah, there definitely was.

It was over gimmicks. The beginning of the show, the first 40 minutes was like all fat. They could have trimmed that down. Yeah. So it started with the sit down with previous bachelorette, Des, Caitlin, and Allie. Totally unnecessary. Completely unnecessary. And really weird that Allie was there because she didn't end up with her guy.

And I was so uncomfortable watching her too because she was pregnant and like just and also, like she just felt like she wanted to jump in and she couldn't control the conversation. Yeah, it was kind of weird. I feel like her perception of the show was probably more negative because it didn't work out for her. So I was like kind of like, why did they invite her? Yeah. It was kind of weird. She was wearing a great blue maternity dress though.

It was very cute. She looked lovely. All of them had the same haircut. Did you notice that? All three of the four bachelorette's. It was like medium shoulder length with like loose waves. I did notice that. And I also noticed they all had way too much makeup on.

Way too much. With the exception of who's the dark-haired one? Des. Des. Yes. Yeah. Who I think is pregnant. now or just I think maybe I made that up I don't know sure her season was really boring I'm hoping for more

out of Jojo Joe Joe's gonna give it to she's gonna bring it she is she is Caitlin we'll move on from this in a second but Caitlin um looked extremely skinny like just crazy skinny she always looks like she has her cheeks sucked in yeah to me she's always like yeah like Jessica rabbit I like she was like of course you're gonna kiss them though um Jojo did not have a ton of kissing though not as much as Caitlin no let's just let's she's no ho no she's not she uh she uh she uh She's tiny though. That was one of my main takeaway. She's like a really small human.

She is. And then I was checking out her Instagram this morning as I, as I like to do. And there's a picture of her with Erin Andrews, who's like a noted, beautiful, slender woman. And the two of them next to each other, like Aaron Andrews looked like she was like a different species. She was so much bigger than Jojo. But she's like five, nine, five, ten with heels on. She's like almost six foot tall and long and lanky. But she still looked big.

Jojo's like petite and well proportions and... I think that's why her fake boobs are sometimes as a ball because it doesn't fit her brain. It doesn't help that she wears those deep cut V-neck dresses. What do you think of that dress? Not a huge fan, to be honest. It was very pageanty. It was. I would have gone a different direction.

I don't know what it would have been, but it not so... I don't know if I'm into like that glitzy, like overdone look for the first episode. I almost want them to wear something elegant. Sure. And cool. Yeah, like more red carpet, less like grown-up prom. Exactly. It looked like a figure skating dress turned into like a ball gown.

That's exactly what it. I mean, yeah, that I don't like that look either, that like little skirt underneath the long thing. It was like tight down to her knees and then ballooned out. It's done. It's done. Yeah, that was like a popular bridal look, I think like 10 years ago per se. But it's in now and I'm telling you it's over. Move on people.

Move on. Seriously. And Jojo, I mean, Jojo's so pretty. Also, she doesn't put her in too much makeup too. But she was like that look. She doesn't need the makeup. Yeah. Do you feel positive that she'll be able to carry a show for 10 weeks?

Absolutely. Okay. What was like your Jojo highlight from last night if you had one? It was probably after she did the Aaron Rogers or Jordan Rogers, I should say, they were hugging. Yeah. They had just kissed. And she was like, that butt, that butt.

I'm going to do some squats. I was like, yes. That was just like that made me love her. She's cute. She is cute. I, um, and she almost fell to the floor. Did you see that?

Yeah. When he walked away, she was like, I just thought that was funny. He's also so much bigger than her. I feel like he was like holding her up. So she was like off balance. Yeah, yeah. It's got to feel good. Yeah.

Jordan is incredibly charming. Like I just feel like everyone who watched a show last night, that's their main talking point. It's like, wow, Jordan. Yeah. So he's Aaron Rogers' brother. He's Aaron Rogers' brother. Aaron Rogers is also known for being charming. But I think I like Jordan more.

Is Aaron Rogers like in your world? Do you care about him? Not really. I'm going to be honest. Yeah. I mean, I understand. You're from a Tom Brady household. Yeah.

So there's no... There's no focus on Aaron Rogers in her house. Also, he's allegedly dating Olivia Munn, which I just think is like... Oh, I love her, though. I do like her as well. She was very good in the newsroom. I don't know if I'd want to be the other brother's wife, though. And be near Olivia Munn.

You... Like her, like, walking around around me and making me look bad. I don't know. I think Jojo could handle it, though. Yeah, you're right. Jojo is definitely... They were, like, going nuts over how good looking she is. Jojo?

So in person, I think she must be even more smashing. Yeah, I think so. There's certain women who you can just tell that, like, they're pretty on TV, but a lot prettier in person. Yeah. Like, Nani from the challenge. Yeah, she's probably beautiful in person. Yeah.

And, like, she is pretty on TV, but, like, guys just, like, go crazy for her. Yeah, you're right. It seems like it must be similar. Jordan was really charming and I liked him a lot, but his hair was so horrendous. I was dying for gel. Yeah. It was very pompadour. It was like Elvis stepped into the room.

He had this like crazy. I was surprised he doesn't know how to like control that better. Yeah. And also maybe he didn't realize like California. No, there is no humidity here. I don't know. I was just like California is like one of our best hair states. Yeah, you have unwieldy hair.

Go to California or Nevada. Yeah. The two best hair states. I don't know what was up with that. It was really weird and I felt like someone on the set should have helped him. Like if he was a woman, I think that if one of the women had like to fly away hair like that and she was clearly going to be a star of the season. season, they probably would have touched her up. I feel like it's weirded it for a man.

There's a good recommendation for them. Yeah. Prep those men. Just a suggestion. What did you think of Jordan going back to kiss her after he already had her time? Oh, I love that. You thought I was like a, like... That was a good move. Yeah. I thought like he felt like he lost its opportunity and went for it. And he like was a man. Yeah. I like that he's showing us that he's a man. Totally. That's the... That's it for me. It was a power move. It was. I think we're going to learn that Jordan is more complex than he might have seen from this first episode.

First of all, his ex-girlfriend ethered him on Instagram last night. She posted some Twitter, some picture of him where the caption was like something about him cheating. And I don't know. So apparently he's allegedly a cheater. And so are most guys in their 20s. Yeah. Boom. I know.

He's 27. And formerly formerly a professional athlete. So what was that girlfriend expecting? What are you expecting? Yeah. Exactly. I know. And it seems like the guys already picked up on the fact that he's like her favorite.

Yeah. I bet that they're not going to like him. So this is what his girlfriend tweeted. Her name is Brittany Ferrar in case anyone cares. Riding the bench doesn't get in the way of a relationship, but cheating does. Hashtag, your pitch isn't perfect. Hashtag always wanted to be famous. Hashtag dreams come true.

Hashtag tune in next week for more BS at Bachelor at ABC. Interesting. Well, that did just bring up a memory that I must have dropped when he was saying how he was really hurt in a relationship. Yeah. So that was the one. Yeah. So he cheated.

It's so surprising. He didn't bring that up though. No, he definitely did not. It's so surprising that someone who's like been on the periphery of fame is now trying to make the most of it. I mean, come on. Yeah.

Go figure. Yeah. Seriously. Who could have seen that coming? If I were Aaron Rogers' brother, I'd probably be like looking for my, my moment too. Absolutely. He's so.

And he should. So celebrated. It must be hard being his younger brother. He's living in a shadow. This is our second. It's like Ashley Simpson and Jessica says. It is. It totally is just like that. Two seasons ago when Andy Dorfman was on the show,

Josh Murray was the guy who won, and he also had an NFL brother. So I just feel like NFL not as good brothers. They have a laying on The Bachelorette. Yeah, there was another one too, right? A while ago. Someone else's brother? No, not brother. I'm sorry.

It was just another NFL guy that ended up being a TV commentator. Oh, well, Jesse Palmer was the bachelor. Yeah. I wonder why NFL people. players gravitate towards us more than any other. Maybe because girls from Texas come in the show. I don't know. They get a lot of southern, wholesome chicks on this show. It is true. And they're very pageanty. Yeah, they really are. Yeah. I'm happy to have a Texas girl. I feel like Texas girl actually weirdly is not exploited enough for this show. Like, yeah. Like what was his name? Sean Lowe was

from Texas. And that was like part of his story. But in general, they don't play that up enough. And I, I feel like the Texas reality world in general could get more attention. You're right. They should have like southern charm of Texas. Yeah. There's real housewives of Dallas right now, which I'm actually not watching. No. But I just feel like that Texas just lends itself television so perfectly.

We need more of it. I'm on that bandwagon if it starts. I think it's going to be good. All right. So Jordan's the clear front runner after week one. It's so hard to see anyone else winning. Yeah. She just seems so into him.

Luke is kind of hot though. Okay. Let's talk about Luke. You seem to have taken a real liking to him. What's not to like? about him. Like he's pretty smoking and he like he has a personality a little bit with sexy thing going on. He's farmer guy. Yeah. He's war veteran. He's he kind of seems very manly too. He was quiet at first as well kind of making her come to him, which is like the real like that's,

that's how you get her attention on the first night. But like withholding. Everyone's like throwing themselves at her. And so if you withhold it all, then you're very, You're doing a great job. That's true. It's good advice for the next one. For the first night. Yeah. I know.

I have to go on with the strategy. And obviously, Daniel. Oh my God. He was the drunk one who jumped in the pool. Oh. So the Canadian. Yeah. Yeah.

Are you aware of the damn Daniel? Internet meme? Oh, my God. That was so terrible. Of course I am. Just thinking sure. Jesus. I'm just making sure.

Jojo didn't know about it. But I think Jojo didn't know about it because she was on the bachelor. Oh, maybe. Maybe. you're right because it's like the last like three or four months. Yeah. And she was withheld from publicity. Yeah.

Like, and you're kind of out of it. Information. Yeah. You're just kind of like catching up. Yeah. But it's a really dicey move to introduce like an extremely topical, timely internet meme. Because if it doesn't go over, if it doesn't land, you're totally screwed.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. That was so embarrassing. So embarrassing. I know. If I was a producer on the set, I just would have been like cringing.

I would have. I don't know. I mean, I'm glad they highlighted and kept. it for all of us to enjoy. Because we've all had those awkward moments sort of relish in someone else's. I know. You're just, you're relating and you're kind of feeling bad for him at the same time.

So it wasn't like, I was laughing with him. I don't have to feel like. I think that he went on the show expecting you to do this. Based on his underwear choice alone, he was wearing only kind of like briefs that you would wear for someone else to see. Like you wouldn't just like wear those. He also looked like he'd done some manscaping as well.

Maybe hit up a waxer perhaps. Is he very narrow? He looks like he could fit through. like tuck keyhole. I'm sorry. He did seem like tall, I think. So maybe that made him see more narrow. There are some odd and narrow shapes on the show. There really were. They're like, you're either six foot four or you're five foot six. I know. There was one guy who when he walked out of the limo. I'm going to pull up his name. He, I was just like, oh, that guy has a Napoleonic complex. Like it was just obvious. Oh, oh, I know who that is. That's the, he was also the Marine that had the twin brother, right? Yeah, I think it was Alex perhaps. Was that his name? Yeah, it was Alex. Yeah, yeah. And then one of the other contestants said he had Napoleon complex. It was just so obvious from the moment he stepped out.

This reminds me of this thing that Bill and I were discussing right around that time because that guy comes out. Yeah. I was like, oh, he's really cute. And they showed his, you know, his whole run through at the beginning when they do the, what is that called? Give me their package when they're home. Exactly.

And he, I was like, Bill, this is what it's like to be on Tinder. Like you swipe left because you see the face. The face looks great. and then they walk out of the limo and he's five foot six. And like, I can't date. I'm five seven and with heels. I'm five, nine. I know.

Like, that's not good. With online dating and like ever, like your height is pretty much the most important and vital statistic. Do they keep that on there? Not really, but people usually like put it in their bio. Uh, yeah.

Because like, you have to know. And also like the like, when you think someone's attractive, but you only see their face and like you can't actually like, you know, see their full present. It just, it changed the dynamic. I think that like first meeting off of a blind date is like so well-mined in television and movies because it's just so awkward. And you're right, it is like a like she's basically it's speed dating but in person. Yeah. It's like people have been selected for her. I did notice her being like, you look so good. Yeah. Like the face expression was just like a little scared. But you could really tell when she was into someone and when she was not. Yeah. Chad was like I thought they were going to make out when they were talking. Okay.

That was a lot of chemistry. Let's talk about Chad. Chad is my pick for most increased attractiveness from picture versus on screen. I didn't think a lot about him last week and I was going over the bios. When I saw him last night, I was like, oh yeah, this guy is handsome. And he was very tall. I think she's also just really short. So everyone looks like tall.

Is she? Would she like 5'4? She must be. I now think that based on the Aaron Andrews picture. But it also makes me think, like, think that how short some of those dudes are who were like eye to eye with her. because she's petite. Well, yeah, I actually looked up their heights because I had to know. I was like, how tall is the Marine guy?

And he was like 5'7. Yeah. And she was wearing like probably 4 inch eel, so she's like probably 5'3. But he looks small too. He's compact. Like in person, he's compact. Yeah. Yeah.

He, uh, I think having a twin who gets married probably is like a lot of pressure. So he probably is like really looking for his wife. Oh, he's in like this desperation load. Yeah. Alex is like, that's why he's on the, the bad. Bachelorette. Like, he just got to find a girl. Gotta keep up with his brother, basically. He made it on the bachelorette.

He's going to be in good shape. You know, he can always go to Paradise if it doesn't work out. I have a feeling we'll be seeing Alex in Paradise. Other person I think we'll see in paradise is Ali. Oh, yeah. Ali's got, he's got some eyes. Like, when he gets excited. He's handsome until he starts talking.

Until he starts talking and then staring. Yeah. The whole, like, he can't. I loved his, what do you call it package at the beginning of the show? And then he got out of limo and he was like, did this eye thing. And then he's kind of. got little fangs. Yes, he does. And I was like, until the eyes and fangs came into the picture, I was like, Olin. All in on Oli, and then he talks. Yeah, and then he kind of talks.

And I did like the piano playing that drew me in a little bit. That was pretty cool. Yeah. I wonder how much you practiced in advance. I don't know. I feel like he has classical piano. He must have. Must be his thing. Playing an instrument. He's kind of got a lot of that good stuff. He seems like he has a lot of skills, but maybe not a good personality. Maybe not. I think if you play an instrument, it's a great thing to highlight on this show. because it's just a real curveball. Makes you rounded. Yeah.

Makes you seem like you have like some kind of intelligence. One of my favorite lines was when they were like, Jojo's not just beautiful. She seems smart. And I was like, you have no idea if she's smart or not. Like literally nothing that is important to the show would ever surface to indicate that she was smart. So that's like a complete projection. She knows how to how to navigate people and that's about it.

Yeah. I think Chad is a really good match for her. I think he's going to go far. The luxury real estate, he's a luxury real estate agent. They have just similar occupation. Yeah, and that seems like her family's jam. He's a skee ball, though. Like, I feel like he's going to run the whole commentary of that show.

I think so. He's like the, he's going to be the background voice of the evil. Yeah, he just seems like he's maybe an asshole, and that's probably why he got cast. Well, all the after stuff that they showed alluded to him being the hated guy. Yeah. And maybe punching Will in the face. Okay. We don't know about that.

Like, that stuff I kept rewinding and fast-forwarding, rewinding, and I couldn't figure out what it went down. but it really made me curious. Violence is never the answer, but on The Bachelorette, it's pretty fun. I don't want anyone to get hurt. I don't want some more violence. But a few punches thrown over Jojo, I mean, who says no to that? It's very romantic. Sure.

It's great television is what it is. And she had her cry and it looked very dramatic. Yeah. It's kind of like how if you like hockey, which you do, like you kind of root for a hockey fight. Oh, I'm always up for a hockey fight. Yeah. Give me a hockey fight. Right.

And a game without a fight is like boring as hell. Right. like Amanda Dobbins who I work with made a good point which is like these guys are so unrealistic as people you'd actually be interested in that like as a woman I'm just like I'm obviously not actually interested in any of these dudes like with with the exception of Ben Higgins when he was on last year who I was in love with like you kind of need like some weird beats to keep you entertained like a fight over Jojo is wildly entertaining it's very true and you know we're sizing them up for paradise but this is like this is completely sexist but like you You just kind of need certain things to keep being interested with The Bachelorette because men, I mean, men just don't, like, react to the cameras and to each other in the same way the women of The Bachelor do. No, not at all. That's why we're rooting for their fight. I feel like that's why Bill was like, this is the worst Bachelorette I've ever seen. So he didn't like it.

He's like, it's the worst show. And I was like, I loved it. I did do. I loved every minute. And then I was thinking about it. I'm like, I don't know if he likes the Bachelorette so much because he likes to look at all the pretty women. Men don't like it. Of course.

Like, why would you want to watch hot guys walk around? You don't want to. Like, that's, it makes so much sense. At Grantland, the guys were much more into the bachelor than the bachelorette. Yeah. I understand. But I still love it. And cat fighting and all that.

The cat fighting's not as good with guys. I know. I don't talk about their feelings. It's all unrealistic. And when they do talk about their feelings, I'm just like, the words that they use. I'm just like, do you really know what feelings are? Like, they're just, the dudes who end up on the show or either, you know, it seems that they're looking for fame.

apparently former military or just really weird. So along that spectrum and ends up being a really weird show. Or they brainwashed them before they come on. Or they just want to end up in paradise. That's true. Which could be a good goal.

It's a good goal. If you're like, you know... And you know, on a side note, I think there should be like a real world road rules challenge for the bachelor. Yeah. Like I would really like to see outside of the Bachelor pad

or Bachelor in Paradise, I would love to see like some kind of challenge show. Yes. Yeah, the bachelor pad was like kind of like that, but the challenges were so absurd. Yeah, but they need real challenges. Yeah, like actually something that tests your athletic ability. Because they're also ripped.

I want to know, like, who's actually a good athlete and who just goes to the gym and lifts a lot. Exactly. Speaking of ripped, I'm really into Grant, not based on personality, but I just think he is very, very attractive. He was the firefighter from San Francisco. I was calling him imposter Pete Davidson. He does look like him. But the minute I saw him, I was like, oh, what a good looking guy. And then he made like some kind of smirky face.

And I was like, that's Pete Davidson. He looked at the camera as if he was posing for like a calendar, like a hot guy calendar. Maybe he's used to it with all the firemen calendars he's done. He also had some very elaborate tattoos that I just want to know more about. He had like a big chest one. Intimately. Yes, intimately. So I'm really into Grant.

I don't have high hopes for him. I think he lasts like. I don't think he lasts long. Halfway through the season. What about the. biracial Jake. Yeah, he had a whole kind of daddy issues. Yeah, that was sad.

Yeah. So his father was white. His mother was black. And he said his father's out of the picture because his father's family was really racist. So that's like really intense. It's really terrible. Yeah. That obviously would make you have a hard childhood. But I kind of liked him. I did too. Although he came in on

the motorcycle, which I was just like, eh, don't need that. And he, you know what? To me, he doesn't strike me as a badass at all. No. Like he's not a bad boy. He was actually trying to create bad boy. It's like those people that grow up on Disney Network and then just start ripping off their clothes the minute they want to start getting famous in the real world. But like that was that was bizarre. Like Debbie Ryan, who just got a DUI.

Was that her name? Yes. Jesse. Yes, we named our dog after. You did? Did you name Jesse after Jesse? Well, the song was on on the TV and we had just rescued her. And then, yeah, I feel like that's why I was like, what about Jesse?

Jesse's a great. dog name. It's just a good name on a sign note. Yeah, I like it. Jake seemed sweet. Like he just wants to take care of his brothers. Yeah.

I hope that they don't mind his family story to be his only narrative, which I'm worried about. The show is very, very poor at addressing, like, complex family situations and anything having to do with race that's not just like white. So I'm concerned.

Because they want to swipe that under the rug and keep it all... It's like a silly show. Yeah. It's a silly show. And Jake's life story does not sound silly. So it's very hard to, like, give that the proper attention and care. Yeah.

And so it's almost like, I'm almost like resentful that they brought that up on the show. Because now I'm just like, well, now I have to worry about Jake and how you're going to treat him. And I just want to enjoy, I just want to enjoy Jake and I want to enjoy this show. That's so sweet that you think that way. I don't know that I think that way, but I do feel like, you know, I do feel for him. And I guess when the interactions happen, I'll worry, but I'm not going to be, I'm not going let it ruin my show for me. I'm preemptively nervous is what I'm saying.

Someone else who also is making me have a lot of feelings as Wells, who I really enjoyed. So Wells is a radio. The resident dork. Yeah, he's a radio DJ from Nashville and he brought the band all for one to sing to Jojo, a song that was like very popular in my, in my formative years. I thought of you immediately when he came on. Yes. I was like, Julia, I would love him. I mean, I kind of loved him, but like, you know, that side of me was like, oh, that's so cool that he just thought to do that and it was very special and then they sang. I loved how they sang when they were having their one-on-one. It was awesome. And they're like, are these always going to, like, can you imagine that being like the background music whenever he's going anywhere? That would be so

funny. There was a scene, there was an episode of Ali McBeal where she's followed around by her own Pips, like Gladys Night and the Pips. And I've always had thought of that. And it kind of reminded me like this is Wells's equivalent of being followed around by his own Pips. It was hilarious. I'm really glad you thought of me when that happened because I was like, oh, this is so great. And this is like me talking to myself into Wells right now. I was like, oh my God, he's a DJ. Of course you wanted to bring a band. I'm sure it was his idea. Music is his life. Yeah, but it was probably the show's idea. But I was like, well, it's about his own. Darn. I totally thought he thought of it. Me too. Maybe he did. Maybe he did. I mean, it wasn't

like a big, it was just a big a cappella group. It wasn't like they're a radio. No, I mean, they were probably like 20 years ago. So they probably were available for a small price. I think they were available. For a small. To be on TV, too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited about Wells. I don't think he and Jojo are a match.

No. But I bet he goes far. Yeah, I think he'll get somewhere. He'll make it to 10 or something. Leased to a theory of mine, which is if you have a genuinely compelling personality on the show, I think you go pretty far because for Jojo, she has to spend time with so many of those, like, bummer losers. Right.

That when there's someone who you can actually talk to and is, like, fun, it's really refreshing. And it makes just much, much make the, must make the experience. so much easier. Totally. So someone like Wells, like has a good shot to like make it to like top six. What about picking the Canadian dude though? She,

we talked about this already, but she actually picked him. Damn Daniel. She picked him. So she picked him. To stay. Yeah. Like that was a producer pick.

Yeah, got to be producer pick. He was the last one. Who else was a producer pick? That guy for sure was Santa Claus. Okay. Santa Claus. Like, oh, the Santa Claus. Okay, I wanted to say that guy was brilliant.

Yeah, Will was brilliant because you want to. that worked because I am if you are if you have Santa Claus in your life like and you grow up with Santa Claus is clearly she has I think she's Italian or something she's per she's half Persian okay oh maybe I'm wrong but whatever don't worry about it you know most people love the bunny rabbits and Santa Claus and all those holiday things yeah I think you cannot vote Santa Claus off you just cares a Santa that would be so no I don't know if it's about resisting it's like you can't vote Santa Claus off it's wrong um it's just wrong It would be a wrong thing to do.

But you don't need to make out with Santa Claus, which she did. She did? Yeah. She kissed him. Wasn't that weird kiss? Yeah, it was weird. But I think she said it was weird. No, she said someone else's was a weird kiss.

I can't remember who it was. All right. Yeah, maybe. But she said, I don't know, but like you don't need to make out with Santa Claus. That's weird. So what happened was Will is wearing the full Santa suit for basically the whole night. He must have been really hot too. Yeah.

And sweaty. Maybe that's why she liked it. She like committed to the bit. I don't know. Maybe. I get why. I like your theory about why she was. wouldn't vote him off but like I feel like she was kind of attracted to him she was like into santa

or into like just seeing his eyes yeah maybe or maybe it was like a weird like fantasy of like oh it's Santa I don't know that's I didn't even think of that like that could be it jojo's a little freaky I mean I don't know that was a surprising one to me yeah like I don't know it somehow it worked I just feel like will's gonna get like two more good episodes at least yeah Santa let's call him Santa from here on out yeah yes One other guy who got a lot of screen time was Robbie Who Robbie just seems like a classic narrator

Like on every season of every reality show You need someone who speaks well to the camera And Robbie just seems like he's catty And a little bitchy And I feel like he's gonna be invested in a lot of the drama And for that reason he'll be around for a while I just think he I just think he's like a talker

I feel like he like wants to be on camera I felt I get a vibe from him He's a little like who, Chris Souls. He's got a little Chris Souls in him. Like, not in terms of being good on camera. Kind of looks like him. Yes, he looks like him. I think you're right. I think you're right.

One other surprise to me that I liked was I liked James Taylor, the guy who sang heard the guitar. I love that his name is James Taylor. I love James Taylor. I like that he came in rocking this guitar. Who can't resist a guitar? No, you can't. It's like a great move. And he was like very jolly. Like he's someone you want to run, right? Like he's going to bring the crowd up. You're always going to have a good time around James Taylor. Totally. And he wrote like a funny self-aware song. I liked him.

He's from Texas too, and that's in her wheelhouse. I know. I mean, it's not going to go far with James Taylor, but she'll keep him until the final whatever 10 or more. I hope his music career goes well. Maybe Wells can help James Taylor by playing his music. Possibly. Just an idea.

One thing I did not need from this episode was the Jake Pavellca appearance. Oh, my God. I never need to see Jake Pavellca ever again. The idea that he might have been on the show was going to ruin it for me. He's too old for that, isn't he? Like, he's... Yes. His season was in.

2010, I think. So Jake, get out of here. Yeah. He's too available. Good family friends with Jojo though. That was interesting. That was bizarre. Yeah.

I wonder if that's how she ended up on the show. Oh. Interesting. Maybe. Her family's in the reality TV world. Her brother was on an Eva Longoria dating show a few years ago. Yeah. I didn't even know that existed.

It did. I'm going to have to look at on you too. They didn't even finish it. And then Evil Angoria ended up dating one of the guys from the show who was like looking for a wife. But then she just got married over the weekend, so it didn't work out. Did you know, Eva Longoria got married over the weekend? No, I had no idea.

To who? I don't even know. Some guy, they got married to Mexico. I have no idea. Good luck to her. Ever since she broke up with Tony Parker, it's been hard to keep track. Yeah, you're right. She's had a couple.

Apparently she has a close relationship with Greg Popovich, which I did not know, which I found a little surprising, which I think is cool. That is cool. I like her, actually. So, like, he was like a dad to her? I think so, or something like that. Like, I guess, like, they were just close. And like, in the divorce.

Apparently she still had a good relationship with him. I know. Like she won him. The more you know. I'm excited about this season. I like Jojo. We like Jojo. I love Jojo.

She was cute last night. She seemed like she was having fun and she wasn't that stressed out. And that's what you should be. Like all these guys are trying to get with you. Just have fun with it. She's very cool. She knows how to navigate the people and knows how to like make people feel comfortable. And she totally mastered those awkward moments with the drunk people.

Yes. It was strong showing from her. good. I'm excited. Also, it looks like there's some crying in her future. I'm also looking forward to. And I just hope it works out for her. I was thinking about this. Like a final note for us to go out on. She was told that this guy loved her and he just decided like, I love someone more. That's horrible. Yeah. Like, I love you, but not enough. I love someone else more. That's on national TV. I was just talking about this with Melissa on my way over here. And I was thinking to myself, like, that I would have been destroyed because I never would even tell him. anybody that I liked them until I knew they liked me first. Completely. Like back when I was dating. Yeah. If I didn't know you liked me, then there was no way I was going to be into you.

Right. So I can't imagine being with somebody like that getting to the point where they're going to ask you to marry them and then being rejected. But not that not on TV would be terrible on TV is like devastating. It's so upsetting. I just hope you finds love whether it be with Wells or not. Yeah. Jordan.

Wells is not. Wells is not. You might have a chance with Wells. Yes. Wells. You might need to come on the show. We might need you out here in Los Angeles, Wells. It's going to be Jordan or Luke or...

Yeah. If it's not Jordan, I'm just confused. Chase. Yeah. Or, yeah, Jordan, Chase or Chad. Those are the front runners. I'm still into Luke. And Luke.

And Luke. Okay. We're going to give Luke a chance. Sports gal. Great to have you as always. Thank you for having me. We'll have you later this season. Yes.

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