The Press Box - Ep. 126: 'Bachelorette Party' With Allison P. Davis

Episode Date: June 8, 2016

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Allison P. Davis on the four-hour 'Bachelorette' binge, Chad's exit, and Ben Roethlisberger's odd cameo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm telling you, there's some great content about it on there today. And now, let's hit it, Bachelor Party. Welcome to Bachelor at Party. I am Julia Litman, your stored through the dark world of The Bachelor and the Bachelorette. Actually, not that dark. It's pretty light, usually. This week, there's so much to talk about, and therefore we've got on the line,

Alison P. Davis. This week on The Bachelor, we had two fucking episodes, Allison, four hours of real-time television. I didn't realize that was going to happen. So my Tuesday night was totally thrown into disarray. when I had to cancel plans to be available for it. And now that doesn't make me sound great.

I went out for dinner on Monday and had like a really large glass of wine. So I was planning on going home to watch the first episode. But I got home and like I've just reached the point in my life where I fall asleep after like a large glass of wine. So I had to watch all four hours together. Wow. Yeah. So I actually didn't even succeed at that. I watched episode one last night, Tuesday night.

then I started to watch episode two, but again, I fell asleep. No wine this time. Just naturally sleeping. I know it's hard to believe. And so then I finished it this morning. So it's really fresh for me. It's like it's really raw. I've got a lot of Chad feelings to work through. We've got a lot to discuss. Okay. Me too. Why do you think they had two, two episodes this week? I don't know. I mean, they were really trying to milk the Chad drama for as much as they could. Yeah. But I think that like both episodes, were kind of lower ratings when they were used to, even though they're dragging this out for three episodes.

So if they saw like a fun opportunity to get two nights worth of ratings, I guess I understand why I took it. I also think that maybe July 4th being a Monday, threw them for a loop. However, it's not like they've ever, they didn't like honor Memorial Day last week, so I don't know. It's inexplicable, but it was tough. They sort of honor Memorial Day all the time

because the veterans are one of the best characters on The Bachelor historically. What a segue by you. Okay. So that's great. We have three members of the military this season. I think it's three. We've got Luke, who got a one-on-one this week. We've got Alex, who has been very present, though he's not particularly cool or winning.

And we've got Chad. Chad is a fellow Marine. And this was like all Chad all the time this week. I know. It was real bit like maybe Chad could have lasted until week six to hold my attention, but it really was kind of a glorious, like, hot and fast Chad week. Yeah. So this is what was going on with Chad. So Chad is like a season villain, which you wrote about really wonderfully today on the ringer.com, our new website, check it out. And Chad is, Jojo likes him, but he has started, like last week he became fixated on eating meat

a lot. And that kind of was like the foundation of his villainy and it's really grown. Like what do you, what would you say were his top three villainous moments this week? It's an eating of ham. I don't know why for some reason that is like the most like egregious villain moved to me. The constant eating of like another being flesh and then leaving the ham plates around the house. Like it's just like pretty like pretty dark, I think. It's a dark impulse to do that. Also, have you noticed how villains tend to have an oral fixation? I feel like

in the 80s movies, the villains always had like a toothpick thing. So this is just the new toothpick. Interesting. The ham is the new toothpick. I hadn't thought about that, but I like that a lot. He's like the ultimate carnivore who like leaves the bones around. It's kind of like the hyenas

in the Lion King, you know? There's like the bonyard, except it's plates. Plates of deli meat. There are plates that you used to have me it's such a bizarre move and so the other guys really don't like Chad I'm actually not even really clear on why they don't like him except for the fact that he's like just basically rude he's rude to everyone including jojo right so right this week he kind of his his number one foe became evan the erectile dysfunction specialist expert something um what was like the genesis of their dislike for each other remember and i like it's really hard to to know

where it started or who said what or, but I think, like, truly, the fact that Evan is an erectile dysfunction specialist and then Chad is this, like, marine, like, meathead villain. It's kind of like, you know, I think it's really, like, a deep diametric opposition between the beta male and the alpha male and, like, traditional masculinity and, like, Drake masculinity, you know? So they were, like, they were going to be pitted from head to head from the start, in my opinion. That's a great point. Evan's is so... That's kind of a dichotomy of these guys in general.

There's definitely more of like the beefcakes, but there is either like beefcake or Drake cake. And like Wells is a Drake is a Drake cake. And so is Daniel. But then on the other hand, you have like... Sorry, not Daniel. What's Evan? Daniel is a Chad's partner.

Right. Yeah, like that's an interesting point though. It's sort of like the Bachelor only, the Bachelor franchise can only like imagine two kinds of guys. guys, like one who's like really, really sensitive and doesn't have any muscles or one who is not sensitive at all and only has muscles. Chad or Team Evan. Okay.

Which Evan really, I don't know. Thank you for bringing this up. So it's hard to be on Team Evan because Chad might be an asshole who does not that into Jojo, but he makes a lot of really good points. And one of them was, so Jojo cancels the cocktail party at the end of Monday night's episode and instead decides to have a pool party as a way to like spend time with the guys. So they spend the day like forced to hang around the pool like 15 guys and Jojo. And presumably all of these guys are interested in Jojo.

And like that's why they're on the show. At least that's like the conceit. And they're forced to like hang out and like hang with each other while they're all like vying for this one girl. And Chad is like, I'm not into that. I don't want to do that. And they're all like, what's wrong with you? like we can have a great day with Jojo and I think he's kind of right. Yes.

Like Chad really is the voice of reason on this one. He like calls out how stupid those like 12 on one dates are, whatever, where you're not actually getting face time with Dojo. You're just like browing down. And also he keeps calling both. He keeps calling out people who say they're like in love with Jojo after one date. And he's like, you don't even know her, man. Like you can't be in love with Jojo.

I think Taz's like slight psychopathy makes them actually a really rational suitor in this house. Right. Terrifying. I think that's why he got the villain at it. Like he obviously kind of invited it. But if there are rules to this show, he is like, he's flagrantly disregarding them. And if you're a producer, of course you want to make him a villain because you can't like have his voice of reason undermining everything that you do. I'm carried it down brick by brick.

Yeah. I mean, though he's a voice of reason, he's still an asshole. Like, let's just walk through the timeline of Chad on these two episodes. Okay. So, episode one, we see him working out a lot with his buddy, Daniel. Daniel's the one who got naked and stripped down to his underwear on the first night, and he's from Canada. Yeah. Really bad showing for Canada.

Otherwise, most of our famous Canadians are wonderful. But if I were them, I'd be like, let's get Daniel off TV ASAP. Provoke a screen card, get him home. Your views has been denied, buddy. So they're working out, and Chad seems very into the working out. Daniel seems into being on camera. So he's, like, very dramatic and, like, his weightlifting. He's, like, sticking his butt out a lot.

Did you notice that? Right. Form on those rows. It was, like, arm extensions is actually terrible for your spine. But I guess that you want people to look at your perk. But I, like, didn't even really see him. I was so impressed by Chad's just, like, grunting and, like, musseling of huge things. It was really impressive.

And meanwhile, this, this, like, montage of them working out is framed by the other guys, like, being really exhausted and, like, emotionally hung over from the Rose ceremony the night before, complaining about how he's left his dirty meat plates everywhere. So it's, like, a real, like, scummy setup for Chad. Beautiful. So good. It's so great. So what's after Tad's workout video, which I love? It was also just like such beautiful, like, I love watching bros, muscle with other bros. It was really a glorious moment in Bachelor editing, I say.

I love it too. But after the workout, what, yeah. After the workout, Jojo's off on a date, so he's just kind of like free to like get into feuds. And so they're hanging around the house. This is on Monday night. And a date card comes. And it's a group date, which turns. out to be, we'll get to this in a minute, but they have to go to like some weird theater

in Atwater Village, which is a neighborhood here in L.A., very close to where I live, where it's like telling sex stories. But I'm not sure if like the performers are telling actual sex stories or made up ones. Like, it was really unclear to me. But so a group date card comes and Chad's on it. And Chad's pissed. Most of the guys are like so happy to be on the date. They're going to get to see Jojo this week. But he's like, nah, I don't want to go. And this makes the other dudes so angry. They cannot comprehend it. Yeah, they just can't wrap their minds

about it around it. Who do you think was the most mad at Chad? Mad at Chad is the name of his reality split off, obviously. Obviously. I feel like Evan wasn't on that one, right? No. No. Evan doesn't start to be too later. Yeah, I think Derek, who

had a one-on-one previously, so we won't get a date this week. He was like really mad at Chad because he was worried about his own time at Jojo. And of course, Alex, Napoleonic Alex. He was, he's pissed. Oh, right. So Alex, Alex is a fellow Marine and he's just like dying for Jojo. Like he would do anything for her. And he's really, really upset. And, and for some reason, Chad, like, starts insulting him. Or not for some reason. It's because Alex asked for it. But they basically just kind of like, start insulting each other and like they're like almost like their qualifications for Jojo. It's great.

It was a good, yeah, it was a good battle. It's so early too, but like it was a good, ridiculous fight. Probably the biggest like flame that was like thrown though was Chad called Jordan Rogers, brother of Aaron, a failed football player. Oh, I know. That really hurt. For the jugular. Yeah, he's like really calling it out.

I just want to say I don't think that's correct. Technically Aaron made it to the NFL. So sure, he's on his brother. He's sorry, Jordan made it to the NFL, but he might not be his brother Aaron. But if you make it to the NFL, like think about how many thousands and thousands and thousands of men play football and like want to be in the NFL. Like he did it. Like good job. So I wouldn't call him failed.

And like as an athlete lover, if I were dating Jordan, I would brag about how my boyfriend made it to the NFL. Like I think that counts. I know, but like, would you, why did he leave the NFL? I'm like, I'm really not well-versed in Jordan Rogers' career, unfortunately. I believe he just wasn't that good. Like, he was good enough to make it. And then I think he was, like, on a practice squad, which is like, in the NFL, there's the team. Then there's, like, the teams they practice against.

And I just feel like NFL practice squad players intersect with the reality TV sphere a lot. Like Teresa from the challenge, she has a child with a former Detroit Lions practice squad player. The NFL practice squad is like basically our greatest regenerating source of reality TV talent. It's like a pretty good story, Julia. Don't give that one way. You're right. So yeah, this was kind of like the centerpiece of episode one was this big fight. Right.

And it was just like a multi-person fight, right? It's like it's very much the house against Chad. Yes. It sounds like a Game of Thrones thing. Like, Team Bachelorette. I mean, House Bachelorette versus House Chad. The fight was so, like, elaborate, though, that it did feel staged. And you touched upon this in your article today, which I honestly really enjoyed not just saying that because we're on a podcast together.

Yes. I do think, I don't know, I feel like they know, right, that the season is a little bit boring. that Jojo is going to pick Joe Joro. I'm really trying to get like a couple's name going. It's not quite clicking. Jojo Ro. Jojo and Jojo and Jojo. Jojo and Jojo and Jojo.

There we go. It doesn't work. So like the producers know they have to hold our attention somehow. So now they have Chad who's like not that into Jojo really. And like also maybe has a luxury real estate business to like bolster. So why not let himself. be the villain. So like obviously most of it staged at this point. I don't know, Evan's really, I think his emotions are very real here. But like the long, like house wide fights are like the

producer saying five more minutes, guys, like one more insult people. I don't know. It does seem very staged this season. Yeah. And they also were speaking in complete sentences. And like, though they were being angry, they were also very calm. And so I was just like, this is really weird. I wonder if there was a fight that they didn't catch capture on camera that they kind of like made them redo the hills famously reshot scenes like that and i think they do that on the bachelor pretty frequently just an idea i don't know so this yeah i believe that i feel like i kind of blacked out the rest of the first episode like this was so i know so important the only the only thing i remember was tag fights and like working out and then that hot yoga date yeah chase and jojo which i thought was like

just like soft core porn. It was, it was ridiculous. Pretty racy. Yeah. Also borrowed from an episode of Unreal. It's going to find that out there. Oh, yes, it was season one, right? Yeah.

Yeah. That's a great point. So let's run through what else happened on Monday Night's episode just for chronology's sake. So Chase, who got the first date, the first one-on-one. And I'm fairly certain he only got it because Chase sounds a little bit like Chad. And I think they wanted some drama when she said it. It got me. Yeah, because there was like a dramatic greeting of the date card at the top of the episode

when the guys are already anti-Chad. We've already just seen his exercise montage. And then Chase gets the date. And like they hear, and I think it's going to be Chad. Little did I know it's not coming till later. So Chase and Jojo meet on the streets of Eagle Rock, California, another hipster neighborhood not too far from where I live. And they go to Kinshop Yoga.

I looked up Kinshop Yoga on Yelp. Excellent reviews. Like four and a half out of five stars. Check it out. Yeah. I've never done hot yoga, but like maybe I will. I can shop because it has such a high reviews. They made it look so pleasant, by the way, like hot yoga.

It looked like the most fun you'd ever have. Jojo looked really cute in her yoga outfit. And she was wearing like a hot pink elaborate sports bra. And I was just wondering, like, if she selected that, if her stylist selected that, how many sports bras they have on hand for her? Because cute exercise wear is very, very important. And I was like, oh, that's a really good, good pick, like, great pick Jojo. I just wonder how many she had to select from. Sure. But something else that also tells me that

Jojo, like, is just the kind of woman who would have a lot of elaborate neon colored sports bras. Of course. She's got, like, four pairs of Nike flynits and, like, 10,000 Lulu Lemon Pants and 15,000 cute sport bras. Like, I've got no doubt about that. She would fit in really well in like west Hollywood going to yoga and then going out for brunch somewhere like that's just that's just the scene. Jojo's bound for L.A. at least for a few years. Then she'll go back to

Dallas and she'll have great exercise to go with it. So then they do hot yoga. It was basically the equivalent of the date last season where they had like the doctor like telling like they did like the like the heat mapping of the of the couples together with Ben. It was basically the same

thing where they had like be really close together while a stranger third party. like witnessed you being like physically intimate for the first time minus the actual sexual intercourse erotic for me i'm sorry they're like the close-ups of jojo's painted fingernails lightly scratching chases back for you i was like i was screaming so much it definitely just seemed uncomfortable like i could see if you're really attracted to someone on like maybe like a third date that being like an activity hot yoga together but with a stranger on your first date when she barely knows this guy.

Like, how did she make it through that? Like, I wonder if she had, like, had a drink beforehand. That's the only way to do hot yoga. I also kind of feel like the teacher was like, okay, like, get really close and awkwardly breathe into one another. And then just kind of, like, walked out of the room knowing what needed to happen. I feel like she wasn't given them their privacy because no one wants to witness soft-core porn. Also, was there music playing in the room? What do you think?

Holy God. with their left. That's so much worse. I feel awkward thinking about it. No background noise, no music, like no climax by Usher playing on a loop. I mean, come on. So, it's just so uncomfortable. So, okay, they make it through that date. And then of course, Jojo's like, oh, I feel so comfortable with him. Like, yeah, you've just been sitting on him while drenched and sweat for like two hours. I hope you feel comfortable. I'm going to break down your walls pretty fast. And then that evening they have like their like dinner together at a vineyard, which I also looked up on Yelp. Also very highly feud. Great job producers. Um, and that seemed, that seemed like lovely. Did they get a private

concert? No, right? No, no private concert for them. No, not this time. Yeah. Yeah. So that was Chase. I think we'll probably like never really see Chase again. I can't, I couldn't pick a number of lineup right now if you asked me to. All these guys look like. Sorry, Chase, bye Chase. The next date, as mentioned, was an Atwater Village and it was like going to like the sex story show, which I don't really understand what the show was. Let me just explain it for the people listening to this podcast who haven't seen the episode. It's really weird. They go into like a run-down theater, it seems like a community theater.

And there are various women who I think are stand-up comics telling graphic sex stories and making fake orgasm sounds on stage in front of an audience of like 100 people. And that's it. And then they find out that they have to tell their own stories. stories. But because the women were pretty clearly comedians, I couldn't tell if they were telling real stories or not. I don't know. I actually did not pay attention to the scene at all until the guys started telling their semi-boring one. Yeah. And so then the contestants on the group date are forced to tell their own stories of like their own sex stories. And for some reason,

Evan previously mentioned, this is where the Chad storyline comes back. Evan tells like a story embarrassing Chad, but it just, it didn't make any sense. And quite honestly, I stopped paying attention. in the middle of it because it was really long. So I can't imagine Jojo got all the details either. But it was a sad of taking steroids. Right. That was it. That was the only purpose.

That he could drop a steroid or dangerous. Bad line or whatever he said. I like that the erectile dysfunction guy was telling the story because I think he could like make a compelling case should he want to. And not based on science or any truth that I or anyone else have. But like if the erectile dysfunction specials like Jojo, this guy's taking steroids and it's going to affect his performance in bed. Like, she'd have to believe him.

There's no one else to dispel the rumors. I wouldn't know what game he's playing. He's a little cunning beta male over there. Totally. But, yeah, beta male is exactly right. He's not an alpha. He's a beta. Yeah.

No, he's a beta. So that was a pretty lame group game. Yes. It was, it really sucked. And so then, as a result of Evan, like, trying to, like, to expose Chad as like a steroid abuser, which I'm not saying he is. There's no evidence that he's ever taking any steroids. All he knows is that he drinks his protein shakes and eats a ton of meat. This kind of propels the drama forward for the rest of the week, like both Monday and Tuesday

episodes, because then Chad is like furious about that and starts threatening Evan. And this is where things get a little dicey on the show this week. I'm going to dive into this next phase of Chad drama but I just want to say James Taylor also had a date this week and there's literally nothing else to say about it. Let's just mention it and move on. They went swing dancing. Moving on. Back to chat. So dull. Seriously. So Chad starts threatening Evan. He threatens him. Like I'm going to threatens Evan and Jordan actually at various points. He's like, I'm going to find you guys. I'm going to come find you after the show if you don't stop doing X, Y, and Z. And then he like pulls on Evan's shirt and like rips the of like a t-shirt.

And this is objectively violent. It's objectively threatening. But the way the show is produced, you never get the sense that Chad's actually going to make good on this. He just seems like a crazy guy saying whatever he wants to be on camera. But that's like my personal take.

If someone is on TV threatening other people like that, even if it's like an empty threat, like should they be automatically kicked off? Right. And their history of. violence, which I feel like is the show where, like, the most people make empty threats about hitting someone else.

Yeah. And I feel like you just, like, I don't know. I think you aren't take off immediately, but you do get a warning. And that's probably the time when, like, every character's like, oh, I went a little too far. I'll go ahead and pull back and be, like, insulting as opposed to threatening. Yeah. But I think all you really need that that first threat is an intervention unless, but the, yeah, yeah, just an intervention.

I believe in second-hancers on The Bachelorette. Because the real world does have very strict rules. They've had a lot of fights on the challenge, many of them involving CT. And the minute you get physical, the minute you put your hand to someone else, you're gone. Like, it's like they're just gone so fast. If you threaten violence, you don't necessarily leave unless, like, the other housemates feel endangered. Like, very famously in season seven in Seattle, Stephen slapped Irene on her way out. And then the housemates who remained were gathered around at TV.

to watch the footage back and they got to vote on whether or not he left. And that's like at this point 20 years ago. So since then it's like kind of evolved. But that was sort of like the first time it really came up. I was like, I never really thought Chad. The charge turned Chad into a villain. And yes, he did like make these threats. But you just never got the sense that he was actually going to do anything.

But on the other hand, like why would you, on a show that actually is pretty low stakes, why would you keep around that dude? Because what happens is Chris Harrison comes in and is like, Chad, you need to figure out a way to smooth this over. And like, if you can, then you get to stay. And that is like a really terrible solution. Like, one of my number one pet peeves about reality television is when the host, and this is very, very common on MTV with Dr. Drew. I hate when the host is elevated to, like, armchair psychologist.

Like, Chris Harrison has no conflict resolution experience. Chris Harrison has no psychological experience. Like, it just makes me really mad. And for all the things that the show does wrong, I actually think, like, this is one. that is particularly bad. Like, obviously their ongoing racial and moral transgressions, which you also wrote about very well, are another issue. But, like, when you court a violent storyline and then you handle it in such, like,

a soft way, I think it's really problematic. Yeah, I would agree with that. I don't mean to get too deep. But. I don't think I got for fear yet. I'm sorry, but as we were talking this out, it just kind of occurs to me. Like, like, why make a, it's sort of like trivializing. I mean, I know it's, like, silly to give it all this seriousness, but I do think it's like a very problematic standard to begin with on a show like this. Like it's murky. Like, we make so many excuses and exceptions for The Bachelor at in The Bachelor. I know. But like, I don't know. This one just kind of bothered me. I was just like this. This is a, this is more, potentially more harmful in like a material way.

Damn, Julia. You just brought some truth to this podcast. I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to do that. It didn't mean to like take. this is in a weird turn. I know. I don't even know how to recover. I don't want to add. Sad like Pam? Would you say? I said, Chad like Pam.

The only response I have. I just thought this really, really hit a wrong note. And I think it's partially because this season is not good otherwise. Like if you don't turn Chad into like a potentially violent villain, he's just some guy who won't play the game. Right. Exactly. like, I don't know. It's like Ben saving phase. Yeah. I don't know, man. For some reason, I just like, this is, this is annoying me. I want more out of The Bachelorette because

Caitlin season and Ben's season were so good. I felt like we hit some really high highs with this franchise. I know. Now we're back. But I think it's because Kate, well, I was going to say Caitlin was a pretty interesting person, but Ben was not that interesting. I don't know why that season was better than it deserved to be. You want to know what? I think part of the problem is, and you and I talked about this a little bit off pod. There's no sexual, there's no sexuality or sexual, like, forces in this season because no one's attractive and Jojo's clearly only attracted to Jordan. I know. It's over. I know. There's no one. She's not going to be hooking up with, like, multiple guys and building his suspense that way and making everyone crazy. It's just like,

we all know she only has eyes for Jordan. And you're very attractive, though, I'll give them that. Yeah. Well, I guess she's kind of into Luke. So in Tuesday's episode, they moved to Pennsylvania, which is hilarious. Like, why do they choose Pennsylvania in the middle of March or April for their destination? Terrible. Yeah, she has a one-on-one date with Luke and they go to a hot tub in the woods. And I actually liked this date a lot. Yes.

Why did you enjoy the wood-burning hot tub situation so much? I don't know. It just seemed like a great date. Like if you are attracted to someone, I think she is attracted to Luke, one of the only ones. Why not get into a hot, like a secluded hot tub with that? which is kind of like cool. I don't know. And then you can actually talk. She, the water was really hot. So I thought she was kind of cute, like not wanting to get into the water. He had to like gradually put her into it. I don't know. I enjoyed it. Did you like it too? That is one that I would

have wanted to go on myself as opposed to like hot yoga or swing dancing or like any other terrible gimmicky date that they've had. Like just sitting in hot water talking to someone you want to make out with. That's great. Yeah, totally. There was like shades of realism. I think that's why I liked it. Like Jojo was like her true self when it was like the water was too hot. And it was just kind of like, it was as far as these dates go, it was like a normal thing to do. So I thought it was kind of, it was like fun to watch. I enjoyed it. That sweet moment was immediately ruined by the group date. Tell us about the group date. Can't really tell you what happened except for the fact that Ben Ruffelster was there. Like that's enough for me. That's what I like went to make a sandwich. Are you like familiar with a with, um, Ben Rathosberger? Like, is he like in your world? I am from Baltimore and a Ravens fan, which means I hate everything about the Steelers.

Oh, okay. So you're very familiar with him, man. Yeah, Big Ben. Got it. All right, cool. I think that getting the Steelers involved, was that like the only team available? I'm not completely sure. I have a weird choice that people haven't talked about.

enough to bring like somebody like Ben Ruther into like a charming like romantic reality show but what are you going to do? He's not really known for his charm. He's known for being a hulking quarterback with a litigious past. Exactly. So that was very strange. The best part about having him though. So the one thing I was thinking about was Pennsylvania situation was I wonder if

they chose Pennsylvania because they could get the Steelers and they just wanted to set Jordan up for a football date. because last week we had a firefighter date with a firefighter, and this week we had a football date with a football player. So do they just want to make Jordan more good, and this is the only team they could get? I don't really know. Or Jordan, absolutely.

I believe it too. I also don't know if Ben Rothusberger and Aaron Rogers have any kind of rivalry, but it definitely seemed like Ben was like, oh, Aaron's brother, okay, okay. Like that, like, meant something to him, you know? Right. He did, yeah. It was a good little moment of drama.

And then, like, Jordan looks great. And all the other guys look, like, total wimps. There was a lot of blood. It was great. It was just ridiculous. I have to say, I think it's because the other guys are all just, like, so, like, their snoozes and I'm just, like, not into it. But I'm like, yeah, Jordan, he's, let's do it.

Let's just move us along. Let's, let's keep this going. It's the Jordan show. I mean, I'm, like, kind of, I don't know. If he's, the only thing is, I don't want him to win because I hope he's the next bachelor, because there's no. one else in the season who could potentially do it. I would love to see Chad as The Bachelor.

That would actually be psychotic. Chad as the Bachelor would be like Brad Womack on steroids. But we haven't had a Womack in like so long. That would be great. It's true. That would be wonderful. Yeah, we've had a lot of like the more sensitive like hipstery dudes. Actually that's not really true.

Only Ben. But like Sean Lowe was like also kind of like too nice. Juan Pablo was just like. very Christian was just like his own brand of weird. It's true. Like there could be someone who's like more more like aggressive. Yeah. All right. I go

Chad for the New Bachelor. But I can't stop talking about sad. I know. Well we can't. There's not a ton enough to say. I mean so ultimately the group date is like a win for Jordan. He gets the group date rose. Duh. They set him up for that. They probably like made her do it. And then the episode ends with a two

on one where the two Marines go on a date with Jojo. It's Chad and it's Alex and they go for like a hike in the woods as far as I can tell it's the whole date. Right. Right. It's just there's outside. Alex reveals to Jojo that Chad has like made threatening comments and like all the guys hate him. So then she goes to Chad and she like tries to get him to like explain or apologize and he will explain but he will not apologize. And this is like a near direct quote or she confronts him about like making threats and he's like, well if you can think of a better way to settle a problem, let me know. And she

And she's like, yeah, talk to them. He's like, I tried, didn't work. It was like talking to like a petulant child. It was crazy. Yes. Yeah. It was pretty great. I really respect Chad for just like sticking to it.

You know, like he didn't soften or like try and pretend to be someone who's not. He's just like, I am Chad. I'm just going to lay it out there. I'll punt you in the mouth if we can't like get to conchic resolution any other way. I kind of, I don't know. I like a man who just himself all the time. I do too. I completely agree with you. I'm kind of like through the course of this of talking to you today. I'm kind of on Team Chad. I know. I'm just not Team Evan. So whatever the opposite of that is, like I'm there. Like, yes, team Chad. I know. I hate Team Evan too. And I like the chat wouldn't apologize because like we said, I don't think that he was, I think that like the show played up his violent threats. I don't think he's actually violent or making threats. And so therefore, I feel like we can be on Team Chad. Like, I think it's okay.

Because really, he's team truth. It's just like, he's like, damn the man, not, I want to hurt these other, like, my hunk brothers or whatever. Yeah. But I appreciate that. He's fighting the establishment. He's rejecting the game. Exactly. He's fighting the establishment.

So well, so well said. And that got him thrown off, that got him sent home. Jojo chose Alex because he wouldn't apologize. Right. RIP Chad. Did you, do you remember how they kind of like parted ways? No, refresh my memory. It was very awkward.

I love to hear you tell these stories. It was very awkward. They're sitting on a rock like beside a stream in their middle of the woods. Jojo and Alex like walk in one direction into the left of the tree and Chad goes to the right of the tree. So they're still like really close to each other.

They're like within 10 yards as like they're supposedly like going their separate ways. And it was just like not well conceived. Like the woods is not a good place for like a breakup on the Bachelorette. right I agree like the woods or an island

or bad places yeah like when Olivia got voted off on the island last season right yeah right or someone got left on a boat

on another season I can't remember what season that was maybe it was Ben Flagenic season but someone was on a boat date

and he was like I'm not giving you the rose and it's like you just left her like he just got to take a little dingy back what's going to happen

it's just like that's it it's over The whole week of The Bachelor was a lot. And yeah, we still, Chad was voted off, but he's still, he's still lurking. Looks like he comes back next week. Yep, in two weeks there's something weird with him scratching at the cabin door. I don't know. They just really plain.

Like now he's just like a murderous, like serial killer from a horror movie. But they're really milky. And I'm impressed with their stick to it, yes, with Chad. I know, I know. Something just occurred to me, as you said in two weeks. I wonder if they cleared Monday for potential game seven of the NBA finals, and that's why. Oh, yeah, good call. I didn't even think about that until this very moment.

Yeah. Oh, I forgot about that. Are you going to keep watching the season? Are you going to give up? I think a lot of my friends, anecdotally, a lot of my friends hit a point this week at there. I'll just like, fuck this noise. I'm definitely, unless, like, unless I guess the hot tip of something exciting is going to happen, I'll probably just read a recap.

I can't dedicate two hours a week for a tabless season with Jeff Jojo. I know. I can't do it to myself. It's really rough. It's an investment. At least you got Paradise coming soon. I'm excited. I love Paradise.

Oh, I know. We'll have to talk about that. It was announced today. By the way, I will keep watching. So I can inform you. It was announced today that Amanda the mom and Jubilee and one other person who I don't care about are going to Paradise. So we have to look forward to you.

Jubilee and Paradise isn't going to be phenomenal. Yes. I know. I'm really excited for that. I'm really excited for Jubilee in Paradise. The Ringer loves Jubilee. What'd you say? Yes. Pro Jube. They said. They just rename it Jubilee and Paradise. Oh, my God. They totally should. That's such a better show.

They totally should. Everyone listening, check out Allison's coverage of The Bachelor on the ringer.com. It's excellent, and I mean it. APD. Thanks for calling in. You're always a great guest. Anytime, Julia. Thanks for listening. This has been Bachelor at Party on Channel 33. Don't forget to check out all of our other podcasts across the Ringer Podcast Network and go to theringer.com. Thanks, guys.