The Press Box - Ep. 136: 'Bachelorette Party' With Bryan Curtis

Episode Date: June 22, 2016

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I know. I'm so excited. Reality Steve's going to jump on the line in a little bit because I just need him to weigh in on this magazine situation from last night. Yeah. I need an insider. A Bachelorette Insight. That was ridiculous. But honestly, was not even close to the most interesting part of the episode. No.

To me, this was really Alex's time to shine. And I think he knew it. Alex is the Marine who won out. Chad is gone. There can only be one. Although I think there might still be another Marine luck. Luke is as well, right? He's Army, actually.

But yeah. He doesn't really rep for the armed services. No. He doesn't have the ink quite the same way Alex does. Okay, the ink. Alex's tattoo is. very distracting. It starts like on like his like

bicep or not his bicep like on his chest. Yes. I don't know like his pectoral muscle. Is that what it is? Yeah. And then goes over his whole shoulder and arm. And I don't know what's depicting. It just kind of looked like like moss on a human.

Yeah. It looks like a disease that has spread all over all. It was really bad. Right. And another little style note on him. Did you notice when he had those little interview segments? He had one where his hair was really floppy and weird. It wasn't stout.

It looked like he was wearing a wig. Yeah. That was so distracting. I don't really know what to do with Alex. I think that he's so obviously not winning. And I don't know if he's ever going to win anything that I have a hard time being mean about him. But I just found him like really confounding. And I don't really know how he got cast.

Yeah. But also this. So he gets rid of Chad, right? Yes. He narcs on Chad. Would be Alpha Dog. Yes. Who's ruined the whole five of the house.

And then he weirdly kind of replaces Chad as Alpha Dog by the end of the end of the the episode. So they also, do you watch Game of Thrones, Brian? Yeah. So they named him the Kingslayer or like Slayer or whatever and they were like they were like they were like they were like tossing him above. Right. They were like doing like you know like I lifted him up like he was their Jamie Lanister their Kingslayer or something. But what were they calling him? They're saying Kingslayer. I think that's right. Yeah. First of all, that's not what he is. Like I mean, Chad was not the mad king Targary and I don't know. I was just like if Jojo News was happening, she wouldn't pick any of you guys. I was embarrassed for them.

It was really, the whole, but it goes to the whole vibe of the house, right? Yeah. Which has been like the world's friendliest frat. Yeah. It's been like the no pledge frat. Sure. The threat you don't want to be in. The no pledge, no alcohol frat, right?

Totally. Or it's like no pledge, all alcohol. Like all we only have is to drink or something. Yeah. That's better. Yeah. Exactly. And it's just kind of way off campus, right?

Way off campus. But they're so. It's like Revenge of the Nerds, but so much less cool and fun. Yeah. And smart. obviously no smarts whatsoever that's totally true and i feel like we finally saw the cracks right alex becoming aggressive yeah and then also the weird idea that there's this little click within the house which we may get to in a little while oh my god let's talk about the click now okay the click who's in

the click derrick had a moment Derek had a moment where Derek got the first one on one day Derek is um budget john krasinski that's one angle john krasnski yeah one if you're looking right at him and closed mouth don't open your mouth no right at him and people tell him that all the time. And he just felt like he was like left out and not cool. Right. Chase is a part of the click. Chase, yes. Jordan. Chase? Jordan. Jordan is like

the only one who matters. Right. He is the actual alpha dog. He's so alpha that he doesn't need to like make it known. It's just sort of like you're so good you don't need to compete, you know? Like why even try? Which we learn when they start saying whether you have the right reasons or not or the

rightest reasons. We think you have right reasons but maybe not the rightest in the house right that's how we know you're the alpha dog so the click is chase jordan Alex Alex and was there one more was one more was one more was one more guys standing around there I can't remember this I think there was one did Robbie get did Robbie get drawn into that I think Robbie was on his one-on-one where a lot of this is so he was not in it Robbie is very confusing I want to talk maybe Luke maybe Luke was in the click basically the guy she likes basically the frontrunners yeah the front runners chase Luke Jordan and Alex Alex is not really frontrunner but he's just gotten a lot of screen time as the quote unquote

king slayer That was, I'm never going to get over that. That was so uncool. If I were Jojo, I'd be like, get me out of Yergway. I'm going home. Oh, absolutely. What's wrong with these guys? Start over.

Yeah. Do over. Maybe Jordan can come on the plane with me, but otherwise we're good. Yeah, maybe Jordan. Maybe Luke, yeah, but otherwise. Yeah, she did seem to like Luke. So basically what happens is Derek is upset because he hasn't gotten a lot of time with her and thinks he's like left out of the cool kids click.

Right. So then how do cool kids respond to a needy kid? They ridicule him and make him feel even worse. And they also say, why are you doing this right before the cocktail party? Yeah. As if they're just sitting around. And, of course, the producer are going to wait until they're finished. Sure.

So Derek goes up to Jojo, basically. I was like, I feel like, we have any time together, like, just need to know where you're at. And he gets it, he gets a pity rose. Right. Which is what the guys call it. Which was the kind of the start of all this, right? Yeah. He felt left out both from Jojo.

From Jojo's heart and the clique. Which is a familiar bachelorette trajectory, right? You have the early date. And then you go through two weeks, like, what's happening to our relationship? You know you weren't going to. go out with her every week. You're either, if you get an early date, you either win or you're no one. Right.

There's nothing in between. Derek seems closer to no one. Yeah. Because, and it's usually, usually, you don't want the first date. They don't usually win, but because it's like, but it's, I think Roberto might have gotten the first date and Allie season, he won. Yeah. I believe.

But it's usually not a good sign. And I thought the vibe of that was that, so Derek gets the pity rose. And Derek is not first tier, right? He's not in the Jordan, Luke, maybe now. Robbie zone of first tier. So if you're a second tier guy, you're really threatened by that, right? Because you're like, how did he scramble into the first tier? And so like, I think that's what the Alex thing was, right? Like he was like, oh, what? Yeah. He's like, oh, how dare you? Right. If you go to Jojo, some kind of plea, does that mean that you get shot up, shot up the board,

the big board or something? It'd be like Vinnie the Barber getting a pity rose. Oh my God. What just happened here? How did they? Vinnie the Barber. My favorite thing that happened on this episode was they're in Uruguay. They're in the hotel. They had some time to kill. And they set up an impromptu barbershop for Vinny. It was amazing. It was incredible. And then that's where they were reading, or that's where they started looking at In Touch Magazine, I believe, right? And like a barbershop. It had old it had old thumb-through magazines lying around. Yeah. It was kind of great. Kind of perfect, right? Yeah. I've really, this season I've really gone back and forth on how I feel about the producers.

Like, sometimes, like, this is so overproduced and stupid or like, I'm annoyed that you're claiming Chad's violent. But then I'm like, this is great. An impromptu barbershop in the middle of Uruguay. Great idea, guys. Totally. And everyone was so happy to get their haircut. Absolutely. Alex is like, this is the best haircut I've got in years. I mean, as a Marine, he's used to keeping his hair very close cut, right? Yeah. And we talked last time about how Vinny actually had the worst haircut on the Bachelor, right? It's a little weird. I think they kept him just long enough for him to give haircuts, and then they're like, okay, you can go now because he got voted off at the end of the night. Yeah. Which was pretty

ridiculous. So we got a lot of Alex. Alex is now turned to villain in lieu of Chad. That's right. I guess like if you're just really aggressive like that. There's two kinds of aggressive. There's Alex aggressive, which is like chip on his shoulder, proving everything wrong. That's right. And then there's Jordan aggressive, which is like make out with Jojo as close as possible to the other guys to make them look bad and like to assert your dominance, which I thought was a great move. Totally. And be so confident, just be oozing with confidence that you throw everybody off, right? Because you're like, I'm good.

Brian, if you had made it to the NFL but then left because you weren't good enough while your brother was like one or two best NFL quarterbacks currently, what like how high would your brother? Ragadochi O.B. Do you think Jordan's is appropriate high, should be higher? Just in real life, you mean? Yeah, like out of a football kind? I think it'd be off the charts, right? Yeah. Because you'd be the coolest guy in whatever setting, in whatever regular guy setting you were in, right? I don't think he ever actually played a game, and I don't even think he was ever on a roster. No, I don't think he was a lot of practice squad-y kind of things. But yeah, I think in a regular setting, you're the guy, right? Right. It's, I mean... You're in great shape. You've got floppy hair. This is a big floppy hair, by the way. Kind of a moment of bouch or floppy hair will never touch

the sky again in the same way. It's so true. I kind of like Jordan's sloppy hair. I hate myself, but I kind of like Jordan. I really hate myself for it, but I just find him a little bit charming. Can I make a confession that I got my haircut shorter, as you can probably see right now, because I thought I kind of looked like Evan. I had a moment where I looked in the mirror the other day, and I felt like I looked like

Evan. I'm not kidding at all. Evan sucks. I'm so glad he's gone. But we lost our narrator. We did lose our narrator. It's actually kind of a literary problem to lose Evan, right? Because who is going to talk us through the bachelor?

Who does that fall upon now? Not Luke. No. Not Robbie. No, no, no, no. Alex is all fire and no, like he has no calm, no chill, as the kids might say. Maybe a little chase thrown in. I guess.

I guess. You know who's the worst, who I hate the most, is James Taylor. God, put your fucking guitar away. I'm so sick of him. He's always, like, playing songs for them. He should be a nursery school teacher. That's his fate. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah. Or children's, like, there's this whole, you know, industry of children. of children's song people that just show up and play for little apartments in Brooklyn, you know, like, here we go, kids. Yeah, James Taylor. Old McDonald one more time. Move to like the outskirts of Carol Gardens, you know, like Clinton Hill's waiting for you, James Taylor.

He'd be huge in Carol Gardens, yeah. Yeah, he'd be huge. Can you just see it? I was surprised he was picked. Like, he's not going to, and this is so. I wonder if they're just keeping him around because they don't want to, like, license music for the show so that they haven't play stuff. It's cheaper.

Right. Oh, that's good. Really good. I like that idea. I just made that up on the fly. Sing along. Yeah. We don't have to pay for the rights to a sing-along.

Yeah, like, it's just completely ridiculous. I cannot stand James Taylor in his fucking guitar. What are the odds that he will perform live at After the Rose? Oh, my God. Like a James Taylor original. It's a lock. Yeah. He should see.

He should play fire and rain at some point. Maybe, like, over like a montage or something. A breakup. Something like that. I don't know. I'm not sophisticated by Chase, but what is he doing? Chase is a zero. Like, who cares about Chase?

Does he have any time? And also, don't you feel with Robbie? So Robbie kind of went from this is a big thing. on this episode zero to 60. Yeah, I want to talk about Robbie. And I feel like we missed the middle reel of a romantic comedy because he went from like, I never saw him and Jojo interact, barely, maybe once, twice. And then all of a sudden they're just like, you know, like this guy, I just feel so

comfortable with this guy. Yeah, I was very distracted this episode because Jojo and Robbie go on a date where that involves him swimming. And it's a bad weather that day. It's not that warm. Cliff diving, right? Cliff diving. Yeah.

They jump off a cliff. He used to be professional swimmer. Dying to know what he does now. Former professional swimmer. Would love to know. I'd love to know what he does now. He had his sob story. Yes, his friend died.

Very sad. Not too, not too trivialized, but there are a lot of sob stories. Yes, that was sad. That was not what distracted me, though. What distracted me was it was a bad weather in Uruguay. By the way, I know that Uruguay has great beaches because they went to the challenge there, and yet they did not highlight that at all on this episode. No.

It looked ugly. Well, it was bad weather, and it looked really rocky, which was like, not, unless you're, like, on the Amalfi Coast is not really, like, the dream of a beach for swimming. Right. So I thought that was weird. And yet, not what distracted me. What distract me was Jojo and Robbie have this cliff diving date because somehow they decided this season they were only going to put the men in positions to succeed. I think they must have realized that the crop was so bad that they needed to give them dates where they would absolutely flourish. So Robbie, the professional swimmer, leads her on like a swimming challenge.

This is the sequel to the fireman date and the football date. Yes, exactly. Okay, there we go. So bad weather that day. They're standing on the cliff. Jojo's wearing a really cute outfish wearing like cut off shorts and like a large like kind of like summer. sweater that you'd wear like Nantucket, like on your yacht. She looks cute, adorable, love Jojo.

Cool. Robbie is wearing like khakis and like some kind of like collared shirt that he probably got at Old Navy three years ago. And then also like a like an A shirt underneath it. And underneath all that he's wearing his swimming shorts, his bathing suit and his swim trunks. It was like the jams I had in fourth grade or whatever. He was wearing so many clothes on top of his swimming suit on his swimsuit. And like, I know that's a thing that guys do.

It's like a little bit different than with girls. But I was like he must have been so uncomfortable because he wasn't wearing like a loose outfit. No. He was wearing like, you know, like kind of like fitted clothes to like somehow got to the top of this cliff like in preparation to jump off. I don't know. It was very weird to me. I was just like, why didn't they just let him? Why did he have to wear the pants over his swimming suit?

Like I just didn't get it. It really, it really bothered me. I was just thinking about how uncomfortable he was and like he had to take off so many layers on top of this cliff. And then if he. if he was wearing all those clothes and she was in a sweater, it must have been cold to jump in the water. Yeah, I couldn't tell. You know, they popped in.

They were sort of like there was that moment. They also had to do The Bachelor thing. We just pretend like, oh, a cliff here. We could jump off this as if it's not a pop. It looked really dangerous, actually. They shot it to make it look like they had just, like, walked up to the edge. You want to jump?

Sure. Instead of, I'm sure, that's a hugely popular. Yeah. And then, like, usually when you jump off a cliff, you kind of go as far out as possible to not hit yourself on any rocks. They did not do that. They went straight down. It was like,

it looked dangerous. I was worried someone's going to get hurt. But I just can't believe, yeah, I totally agree with you. We missed something with this Robbie plot because how did he, how did she get here with him where she was so happy to be with him? Right. It seemed like she was finally getting into the dates that she wanted. Like, I actually was surprised Jordan hadn't had a one-on-one before because we've gotten

so much of him. Yeah. Did she want Robbie? Like, I don't get it. I think maybe so. I think maybe she was directing it that way because she was looking at the rest of the non-jordan crop and being like, yikes. Major yikes.

And also in his story, you know, he's like his friend had died and he said, like, I'd change my life. And he was like, you know, I did a lot of things. I moved. I quit my job. And I just broke up with my girlfriend of three and a half years. And I went, that's kind of the bad part of the story. Because if something bad happens in this relationship, I wonder when she would be like, you know what? There's a lot of gaps in the Robbie narrative. We don't know what he does for a job. We don't know when that breakup was. We don't know. We just don't know anything about him really. But yeah, she's like so into him. Like, it's a lot more believable with Luke and Jordan because I feel like we got some time to see her sort of like, like be around them. But we're having. He just

came out of nowhere. He just came out of nowhere. Talk about floppy hair, by the way. The floppiest. And he is now top three, I think. Absolutely. Right? He's not they had a great date. There's only three people that are even reasonable at this point. Luke, Jordan and Robbie. I think so. I think so too. Everyone else is just like, it's just a matter of time, right? I loved when Alex had a little moment with her, and he was like, I really want to open myself up and I want to be vulnerable around you. Like he said, she said those words. And then he walked away and he goes, I felt I really opened up to her. It was like, no, no, you actually just promised to a totally. You didn't say anything to her. like when people, I correct myself on this a lot now, like when people start an email,

and they're like, hey, I just wanted to check in with you about X, Y, and Z, and then they check in about it. It's like, you don't just want to. Like, you're doing it. So, like, just do it or don't. Like, don't preface it, like, I want to do this, you know? Yeah. Just, just go ahead and open up. Yeah, seriously. No, no time to waste. Exactly. Exactly. Can we check, can we sit a doctor to check on Wells who looked really sickly? What happened? He did. He did. He did you have something go terribly wrong. He was like the most happy-go lucky guy. Do we think he got still worn out from the Fireman Challenge? I don't No. He got dehydrated or something.

Well, is sneakily my favorite. He seems the most normal. I think that's why. He does, but he's getting totally left. Why isn't that working? Shouldn't that be kind of a cultural match and a kind of like fun guy match? I think he's not an athlete. And I also think he might be too smart.

It's not an athlete or marine, so he's okay. And not saying he's smart, but he just might be smarter than what she's looking for. Yeah, from the top three. Yes. I keep waiting for all of them because it's either like, are you cool or in Luke's case, are you just, do you just talk slowly? Right. And you're actually smart and still undecided on all three.

I can't give an affirmative yes on any three. A final thought on Jordan in this age of LeBron James being great. Thank you for setting that up. Nice time peg. It is so weird that the brother of one of the best and most famous athletes in America is the front runner on this show. I don't think we're really grasping how weird this is. Like Brian, the NFL doesn't have a lot of stars.

It has like under 10 stars, right? Guys who could do commercials. Yes. Yeah. Aaron Rogers is like top three? I would say so. Who's more famous than Aaron Rogers? Top five, easy.

I mean, now there's no Peyton Manning. He's probably more famous. He's at. He's more famous. Is Cam Newton more famous? He's on the edge? They're about the same probably. I would say Brady, Cam, and Aaron Rogers, right?

Like, who am I forgetting? Any position players? No, I think that's about it. Maybe JJ Watts. Just feel like last season here and himself. He had a Papa John's ad, so he's maybe climbing toward them. Yeah. Like imagine if.

Russell Westbrook's brother who's often seen on the sidelines of Oklahoma City Games was on was on this show. Right. People would be flipping out. And that's Russell Westbrook. He's not as big of a deal as Aaron Rogers. No, he's not. Why aren't people more invested in this? Like, I kind of feel sorry for ABC because I feel like they did this expecting more of an Aaron Rogers bump.

And like, I just don't think we're getting it. Yeah. But are we going to get a hometown? Are we going to, is he and Olivia going to consent to a hometown kind of visit or some kind of, you know, moment? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so. I haven't heard about it.

I feel like we would have known about it by now. The other quarterback brother did, right? Josh and Aaron Murray. Yeah. But Aaron Murray was like in his wildest dream. He's like a fourth round pick, whatever. And also like how much money would he pay to be Aaron Rogers like so much? Oh, absolutely.

Like every kid who plays football would be happy to be Aaron Rogers. Right. We need like texts from Aaron Rogers to something. Just checking in. Right. Or the phone, the fake Bachelorette, you know, phone call, right? Oh, hey, just checking in, bro. I just can't get over this.

Like I just think it is so incredibly strange. Like I just don't think that as a society we're really. grasping with this or grappling with it. Like it just maybe we're just not there yet. I don't know. But like I'm personally trying to cope with one of the most famous celebrities in America brother being on the bachelor. Yeah.

It would have been like Roger Clinton was on the bachelor during the 90s, right? Exactly. Exactly. That's the level. Yeah. That's it. And I just, I don't, I don't know. Like, America, where are we on this?

Like, why are this a bigger deal? I want to talk more about Jordan. Many other things. I'm going to bring reality, Steve on the line. Yes. Ryan, thank you so much for doing this. Anytime. Let me tell you about our sponsors and then we'll get Steve.

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And speaking of mattresses and beds, things we often see on The Bachelor, let's get back to the pot. On the phone, we have the one and only reality, Steve. Hi, Steve. Hey, Juliet. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm great.

Last night's episode, the centerpiece was via In Touch Magazine. And when I saw that producer intervention, I was like, well, we got to get Steve on the phone. He's like the number one source and producer intervention. Yeah. That was interesting, was that? Was that unprecedented? Has that happened before? No, never.

I mean, this show goes as far as to never even acknowledge tabloid stuff until the show is over. Like maybe they'll bring it up at the after the final rose. They'll talk about like, hey, stuff's been written about you too or whatever. I remember that with Ben and Courtney. They had a lot of public, you know, tabloid stuff. But this is, I mean, that issue, if I'm remembering the dates correctly, That issue was released in the state around March 25th, and then that episode in Uruguay was like first week of April. Okay, because she started filming mid-March, right?

Yeah, mid-March. So that's kind of relevant because what is this, episode five now? That was episode five, I think, right? Correct. Yeah, Uruguay was five. So they got five episodes out of basically like three or four weeks because I think she started, I think Ben's finale was something like March 14th or something like that. So that means that she started filming like,

March 17th or whatever. So they got a lot of content out of three weeks. And I think one of the major storylines about this season is it like it's just flat out not that good. Like obviously, I'm still into it. But it seemed like maybe they were aware like three or four weeks into it that they kind of, they need to like amp up the drama because Chad was gone basically. I could see that being a definite possibility. It seems to be the consensus now that, yeah, they focused so much on Chad because there was literally no other drama in the house. I mean, you look at it. I mean, Chad was the outcast, and there was just nothing else.

These guys are all throwing out together. Yeah. They all like each other, it seems like. And Chad was just the one sore thumb that stuck out to everything. It was pretty weird. Also, it was his name, not really Chad. Chad Johnson. Is that not his real name?

His real name is Brian. I guess the middle name is Chad, but he's from the, you know, he's from Oklahoma. and like kind of in the south people like going by their middle name but yeah his name is brian oh he goes by chad it's funny that chad's a it's the name of chad ochosinko Johnson but b that like who dates two chads i mean not that jojo really dated her dated him but that's just such a weird coincidence like i i wonder if i don't know it's just a weird coincidence it probably is just that a coincidence but i thought that was a strange a strange happening it is yeah it is interesting and they it got talked about enough last night where I think it was Wells at the

cocktail party said to her like hey let's just never talk about guys named chat anymore I mean it makes her a funny joke yeah that's true shout out to Wells I really like him I don't think I don't think he'll be winning but he seems like the most normal one on the show well he's the talk show host he's a radio host in Nashville so yeah I mean he's got he he seems to have the gift of Gab and but he's been on the show of meatheads and guys who go to the gym four hours a day No. Not at all.

So I think you had spoiled that the In Touch magazine would be coming onto the show. How did you know about that? Without revealing your sources, but like how is that something that you find out about and like know it's going to be a plot point? Yeah, you know what? Honestly, when I revealed the spoilers for the whole season, it was the day of the premiere episode, which was May 23rd. At that time, I did not have that in my spoilers.

However, when I watched the premiere episode that night and they showed the season previews, when I slowed stuff down and looked at it, I was able to tell like, oh, that's the magazine. Oh, that's, and then at that point I made a couple calls because something wasn't adding up when I saw the preview. Like, wait a second, she's crying in Uruguay to the guys and I don't think there's a reason to. So then I made a couple calls and I realized. So with the help of the preview and calling a few people, I realized that the magazine got brought into the forefront. I didn't know how until I saw it last night, but I knew that that was going to be. her issue of sitting down with the guys and saying, you know, I'm here for the right reason.

Sure. Steve, I'm impressed. That's like a lot of reporting and detective work. Well, you know what? You know what else is some major detective work is what they showed last night? And we can either talk about it now or, you know, a little later on. The end of the season. Well, just tell us what we saw. I'll interrupt you if you get to spoiler. But let's get into it. Why not? Yeah, no, I mean, it's just the way, I mean, you've seen, I know you've talked about Unreal and you've seen the way they can edit things on Unreal, but that's exactly what they're doing on that preview where they showed Jojo at the altar and she's talking to a guy, but if you really, really watch closely, and I actually dissected it in my column today, the times where we actually physically see words coming out of her mouth and then the camera pans away and we're just hearing a voiceover, it's, you can tell that they're missing matching sentences to make. make you think something that isn't. And it's very, very clear if you watch it slow or read my column today because I really

broke it down into the Pruder film analysis here. I mean, this is serious stuff. That's what my buddy Dave Chacobie calls a Frankenbite. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That whole thing at the end of the show last night was total frankenbiting, making you think that there's something there that absolutely wasn't. It's really deceiving. Yeah, yeah, totally.

I was pretty surprised that they let the. producer's voice be heard? I'm pretty sure that was the EP, Peter Scalitar, that was talking to her when he gave her the magazine. I'm pretty sure that that was him. And I can't really remember hearing a producer's voice like that. Like, that is very unreal to me. Like, that's like kind of another sign of the show being very meta because that's like those sort of conversations I think we're only aware of. Not because the Bachelor tells you about them, but because like the cottage industry that surrounds reality shows now. Like Bravo does. a lot of kind of behind the scenes with producers.

And it's interesting to watch, like, as the evolution of the genre comes along, that, like, producers are very slowly, but I think noticeably becoming, like, bigger characters in the show, like, almost at the expense of Chris Harrison. Like, why didn't they have Chris Harrison give her the magazine? Yeah, absolutely. I think in the last five years, five years ago you would never have seen that on this show. But now I think they know with stuff like, you know, we see all the breaking of the fourth wall in real world now.

And in the shows you talk about the housewives show, they just are kind of catching up to the times and they realize that they have to start being a little more realistic. And, you know, yeah, why not have Chris Harrison bring it to her attention? Who knows? But maybe it felt more organic to them to have a producer do it. But the fact that the latest In Touch magazine happened to reach a Uruguayan hotel two weeks after it hit the States, that's the whole point of like,

this is just so many. Yeah. We know that they brought it there. Yeah, that's a good point. I wasn't really paying attention at the time. What was the, because like, you know, on March 23rd, I didn't really think of it or whenever it came out. Like, I didn't really care about Jojo and Chad.

I was like, oh, Chad, this random name from the finale of, or almost finale, Ben, Benzies. And can you remind me, like, what their response was to that magazine? Did people care? Like, what's the appetite for the skeletons that come out of the Bachelor. or Bachelorette's closet? It never really hit as big, I think, as probably In touch wanted it to. I know on Twitter, I put it out right away, and there were a few reactions here and there,

but for the most part, when this show is filming, that's when I'm doing a lot of my work, but for the average fans, they're not, they have no, they don't have a chair in the world. It's just, if this show is off air, it's out of sight, out of mind to these people, until they start seeing commercials for a Bachelorette, like, oh, that show's back on. They have no idea that the previous six weeks it was filming, I was releasing stuff as it was happening. So these people, most people didn't care. But, you know, the basis of what Chad said,

is it true? I mean, I guess only those two actually know. Yeah. Who care? I honestly like, who cares? Like, I don't care at all what Chad has to say. Although, I'm curious if you talk to Chad. Did you talk to him at all?

No. I've never spoken to him, but the day I released Jojo as a contestant on Ben's season, within 20 minutes, I got an email from Chad, Brookstool, saying, hey, would you mind not mentioning me or my salon on your site? I've already gotten three people that have contacted me, you know, looking for information. And I basically emailed him back and said, look, I can't help the fact that your ex-girlfriend goes on the show. And if I did it, if I didn't do it, somebody else would. So no, I'm not taking your name down. And that was the last ever heard from the past. Interesting.

So he didn't really want to talk to you more. Which is funny because one little small story here is that literally when I went back and looked and I, when I saw that he did the, you know, made the phone call on the hometown date with Jojo, I went back and looked at that email that he sent me. It was literally nine days before he filmed that whole thing with Jojo on her hometown date. So why are you telling me to get my name, your name off my site and your job? getting attention, when nine days later you went on the show. Right.

It just, it just didn't make any sense. Not hard to believe that maybe he wanted to be involved somehow. Yeah, exactly. Is Chad eligible for Paradise? I think he should be. Wait, which Chad are we talking about? Oh, sorry. Chad Ruckstool.

Chad not of the show. Rookstool, yeah, they're still on wonder. Is he eligible? I guess technically anybody's eligible. if they went back to their old format from Bachelor Pad where they were bringing in fans of the show. But no, I can pretty much confirm that Chad Brookstool is not on Paradise. Let's talk about Paradise for a second.

They keep announcing people who are coming. So today was announced at Nick V. The infamous Nick V is going to Paradise. I can't believe it. I mean, I can, but I just feel like he should be done with this franchise. He's kind of like, I don't even know who he is, but he's sort of like, to me, the male Claire Crawley at this point. I think

You know, it's so funny because all these Knessons kind of put it out there like, no, I would never do that show and someone like Nick probably thinks the show is beneath them but they all know that being on this show no matter how bad of a reputation it may have, it gets their name out there and gets people talking about them again,

gets their Instagram followers up. It's just, its show has turned into all about marketing for these people's, their own brands. And I'm exactly what you said. at the beginning. Like, I'm not, you're surprised, but you're not. And that's exactly the way I feel. Like, nobody is, nobody is off limits anymore for paradise. They, they might all say on social media, I would never do that or that's beneath me, but until they're not on it, I'll never believe it, because everybody's their game. And there's a couple other big names.

Josh Murray, right? Yeah, Josh Murray's on it. He's there right now. Wow. Is it filming right now? Two and a half weeks is filming. But Josh Murray is there. Kayla is on this season. She's in. Do you know what happened with Kayla? Have you heard exactly what happened with her not being the bachelorette? I think it came down to social media status. I'm honest with you.

I think Jojo had a larger following. I mean, obviously, you're always going to get people that say, oh, I love her or oh, I love her. And Kayla obviously had her fans. But I think Jojo's was so much more than Kayla's that they couldn't pass it up. I remember I wanted to say it was almost 300,000 Instagram followers more, and that plays a role to the producers. Right. Right.

I think that also, at least among my friends, people were not that enthusiastic by Kayla, even though I thought she would have been great because she was so weird. But I'm glad she's going to be on Paradise. I hope she has fun. She deserves it. She really does. Grant.

Oh, here's another good one. Oh, yeah. Ashley I's back. She's back? Is Jared back too? Yeah, Jared's on. Wow. Ashley I, I'm surprised she hasn't tricked someone to giving her a show yet.

Yeah, I'm telling you right now, I mean, I don't know yet what's, I know a few things that are going on. I know a few people that have coupled up, but the only reason Ashley I is going on that show is to continue this Jared's story that we saw at the end of Paradise last season. It even continued into Tanner and Jay's wedding. Remember that at their wedding? Yeah, of course. showing Ashley I chasing Jared around the hotel and stuff like that and them talking on the steps. So we know that's why she's on the show is just for the whole Jared angle. I don't know what's happening with it, but we know that's why she's on.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's really interesting. So I would say Josh, Ashley I, Kayla are big names. A couple other Ben's girls are there. You know, there's definitely a few randoms that if I told you their name right now, you'd be like who so yeah i mean it's we're talking they kind of reached back and got some guys that if i told you the name you would be who if i if i showed you a picture of them without giving you the name you'd be like no idea don't remember what season don't know his name um so yeah i had a

high expectation to regret at the beginning of jojo season who got voted off last night and then i saw that you you wrote about like how all of his like exes rode into you and just were saying he's like a a horrible scumbag. I'm really surprised, kind of. I don't know, I feel, I'm only surprised, maybe I shouldn't be, but he got like an episode, like they rigged an episode for him with a fireman challenge for him to win.

Like, that's rigging. Like, I'm sorry. They wanted Grant to get some screen time. I'm just so confused about that. Yeah, and they gave him that episode, and then yet he's gotten like nothing since, like zero airtime since that day. She must have not liked her. I really understand. Maybe because Jojo wasn't into him. I don't know.

That must be right. Ex-girlfriend thing was just, it was hilarious. Like, I'd never received something like that. Like, every season, I'll get stuff about contestants like, oh, I know this about him and know this about him. It's like, okay, you know, a lot of it is hearsay stuff. And three consecutive ex-girlfriends all email me, and they all overlap each other. And he lied to all three of them about where he was in his relationship with the previous one. I mean, we're talking, we're talking serious.

I mean, they all call them a sociopath, all three of his ex. It's embarrassing. It's really weird. Yeah. I'm really upset. I also like that in your, you know, in the ongoing saga of Jordan and his ex-girlfriends, I like that all of the stories that you reported people telling you about Jordan, like, being sketchy, perhaps, all involved the dating app Raya, which is like a supposed, like,

dating out of our celebrities. I like that that's his app and, like, he's so active on it that they were enough stories to be told. Like, there were like two or three anecdotes about him hitting on people via Raya. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, I had heard of Raya. I wasn't too familiar with it.

For people listening, I'll just say it's like, it's just like Tinder, but it's for like, quote unquote. It's like you have to like apply basically. So they try to like keep it elite, but you know, how, how effective that is, I don't know. And a committee has to like approve your. Yeah. By looking at your Instagram followers, your social influence I heard is one of the things, like whatever that means. You have to pay for it. You can't just apply like match.com.

Right. This is like a legit app. And it's also not free. which I think is important to note. Unlike Tinder. Yeah, exactly. That as well. And, you know, to see these stories,

and, you know, the other thing about Ryo was you can't screenshot conversations or pictures or else they boot you off. Like, that's how legit this site is. And that's why I was trying to get stuff. I was like, hey, can you, next time he comes up when you're searching or whatever, can you screenshot or find out? And it just kind of fell by the wayside. but no, I could definitely see him being on there because of his name value and who he is. Sure.

The guy just hasn't been smart about his account. I don't know why, but he hasn't been. Do you know how his family feels about him being on the show, specifically his brother, Aaron? I heard he was not happy about it. I haven't heard Aaron's reaction to Jordan being on the show. I just know that the Aaron-Olivia relationship is kind of captured from the rest of the family. There's not a lot going on there. but Jordan is not close with Aaron.

Jordan and Luke are the other two brothers, and they're the close ones, and they're close to the family. And if you do any social media searching or hear things, Aaron and Olivia are kind of outcast from the Rogers clan right now. Who's Olivia Munn? Oh, got it. Sorry, I didn't know we were on a first name based on Olivia Munn. Of course I know who that is. Yeah, me and O-Mun, yeah.

But yeah, no, there's not a good family dynamic there between Aaron and Olivia and the rest of the family. Spoiler alert. Steve's about to mention something that I think is very obvious, but if you're crazy about spoilers, you probably want to jump ahead 30 seconds. They're definitely not in the hometown, but that way. Aaron is not part of, oh, whoops. Come on, you kind of knew Jordan was getting a hometown. Sorry about that spoiler. Don't worry.

She's so into Jordan. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, from the get-go. I mean, I had an intro video, first had the limo, first impression rose, first kiss. I mean, it's, you know, not hiding anything. Yeah, I know. It's really true.

Thanks so much for taking the time today. Always good to chat with you. And I'll talk to you soon. Thank you, Julia. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Thanks again for listening to Bachelor Party. I'm Juliet Litman.

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