The Press Box - Ep. 149: 'Jam Session' With Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: July 15, 2016

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Jonathan Safran Foer's email correspondence with Natalie Portman in ’T Magazine,' Jennifer Aniston's new foray into blogging, and Ciara and Russell Wilson's nuptials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Go to bidley.com slash ringer merch, where you can find shirts and hoodies with our really rad lightning bolt and other logos. A portion of the proceeds from each purchase will benefit chick. Water, a nonprofit organization that provides clean and safe drinking water to people in developing nations. Again, go now to B-I-T-L-Y dot com slash ringer merch. Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Julietette Litman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. Hot topic today. Actually, several hot topics. Yeah, let's do the lineup. Okay. Second, we're going to be talking about, of course, Taylor Swift. By popular demand. Yes, and because she just won't let us not. Yeah. I would

like to live in a world where we don't have to do a jam session with, about Taylor Swift. I'm ready at this point. I don't know. She's got a new album coming. Doesn't seem likely. Oh, Christ. You're right. Taylor, we're coming back to you. We also got to talk about Jennifer Aniston, her Huffington Post editorial. Jennifer Aniston, Huffington Post blogger. Yes. Joining the rings. Why didn't she ready for the ringer? Um, and finally, we also will be talking about these trend of celebrity weddings during the week. I have a lot of opinions. Russell, Sierra, we're looking at you. But first, Jonathan Saffron 4 and Natalie Portman did a interview of some sort in T-Magazine coming to your home this weekend online right now, and we must talk about it.

Merry Christmas to everyone who listened to us to jam session as a whole. We delayed jam session by day, and I feel like the, you know, the powers that be are really rewarding us because this happened this morning. I would have been devastated if we already done it. Okay, so let's do some backstory. Okay. We've briefly touched on this. We talked about it before, yeah.

It's been rumored, never confirmed. The Jonathan Saffron 4 had like a huge crush on Natalie Portman. They got close or something. Yes. And at that point... It had something to do with his book about not eating animals. Like veganism or vegetarianism was definitely... Have you read that book?

A shared interest. No way. I haven't read it either. However, I saw him in conversation with Vendalavita in which he talked about it. He was wearing vegan shoes, of course. And he talked about going to like a chicken farm. and I don't like chicken as a result. Like, it's the least humane thing. I'm sure.

Shon of it's effort for ruined chicken. Yes, I'm sure. I'm sure that it's effective and horrifying. I think that I got everything that I need to know from the title of that book and moving on. Yeah. And I'm a bad person, I guess, because I'm not paying attention. We all are. They bonded over veganism.

He felt a real bond so much so that he left his wife, fellow novelist, Nicole Christ. Okay. I guess we don't know. The timeline of this rumor. And I feel like we just have to keep saying it's rumor. But the timeline is not clear. At some point, he via email, the rumor goes, confesses his love to Natalie and is like, so good news.

I'm out. And we can be together. And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. But I don't know whether he did this before or after leaving Nicole. In my mind, it's always that like he, he left his wife and got everything ready. sent the email. Have you ever sent a confessional email? I'm sure that I did. Like specifically related to love though? Um, definitely like 18 year old Amanda did. I recently actually was going through my g-mails and there's like I have I imported like my college emails to my Gmail before

I went away. I love looking at my college emails. I do not. I looked at one folder and was like, wow, I need to get the like internet scrubbing device and get rid of this. It's horrifying. It was also a really great lesson that someone has a copy of those emails because I sent them. Yeah. That's really terrifying. Everything's on the record unless you're Jonathan Saffron 4 and Natalie Portman. Right. Because apparently they have had a long email correspondence and he claims that he lost all of his emails when apparently they have an email like since 2003 or something. 2002. Okay. But so he claims that he lost all his emails of some technical error with hot mail. Yes. So T-Magazine very wisely was like

they knew clearly about the rumors and they knew clearly about the email that Jonathan Saffron 4 allegedly or you know sent Natalie Porman being like I love you um and it was a low murmur I love you or more like a graduate I love you I'm imagining more of like love actually with the cards you know Andrew Lincoln style um basically they were clearly aware of this because for this profile in T-Magazin that's promoting Natalie Portman's new film and Jonathan Safran Fowar's new novel. They asked them to do an email

exchange as the interview, which is like not something that happens regularly in T- Magazine. I think they wanted to do an interview period and then somehow if they're like they weren't going to be in the same place. So someone was like, what about email? Yeah, they say that. I honestly, I want to give credit

to T-magstein. There's someone in that office just being like, no, we should just make them do emails. And make it so awkward. Yeah. That they just don't need to do it themselves. So that was the setup for this piece. And somewhere in the first email, Jonathan Saffron-Fourre alludes to the fact that it's not unusual for them to be doing this because they emailed. They've been emailing for 15 years. But he recently lost every single email that he ever said to her.

How convenient. How convenient. All right. So should we just go to the actual research here? Sure. Well, I just want to say Kate Nibbs of the ringer did a fantastic investigative piece. trying to figure out like how likely it is that you could actually lose your email. It doesn't seem likely.

Her conclusion was this is bullshit. It can't be true. She did. He says he was a hotmail user and she did note that at some point several years ago, hot mail transferred to Outlook or something and like a lot of hot mail users did in fact lose their emails. But it was like they got them back. A.

Okay. Right. And B, it was like several years ago. People like complained about it. Right. So this is silly. And I just honestly, why even include that? I don't know.

It didn't seem like these emails are really very edited. I actually was reading them as hyper-edited. That's really interesting. Why don't you think they were edited just because they were boring and bad? They were boring, bad, and more importantly, embarrassing. Well, yeah. But that doesn't mean, that just means they're do-dos for agreeing to participate. Jonathan Taffron 4 is so much of a cliche that it's like he's a John Update character.

It's true. Like he could be in the rabbit series. It's true. Because the things that he writes are just so, so embarrassing. Such as? Okay. Let me read some of my favorite quotes. Yeah.

The first one that really jumped out to me, people often refer to aloneness and writers' block as the two great challenges of being a novelist. In fact, the hardest part is having to care for guinea pigs. GTFO. GTF. Honestly, I thought that was charming. Yes, he did. with his kids and he's like I thought that that was way better than like the paragraphs long meditations

on like freedom and the artistic experience like I don't give a shit about your process. This is a good note for any celebrity ever doing any sort of interview by the way. Like please do not talk about your craft. You sound so dumb and it's not that interesting. I'm surprised he was willing to answer that question because a lot of writers actually won't answer. They're like, what's your process? Like they actually won't write it.

It's so stupid. My mom wrote to me that she felt that I was like, I think he seemed smug. And she wrote, I think he seems smitten, which I thought was a great point. Yes. Great point, mom. It's true. And then that goes to what you're saying about him talking about artistic craft. Like, he's trying to, like, impress her.

And, like, he obviously thinks her type is, like, some artsy guy because her husband's a dancer. And it's like, JSF, take it down a notch. I would also say that the least attractive parts of Natalie Portman's exchange for me were, again, like, her musing about, like, the struggle to create in a, a way that's true to yourself, but also true to something. No one cares how hard it is to be an actor or a writer. If you're an actor, you put on other clothes and say things that someone else wrote. And if you're a writer, you sit there and you type things onto a page. That's it. That's it. That is a description of your process. I'm done. So can I read you another Natalie quote that I really like?

Yes, please. Go ahead. We saw James Blake saying Saturday night. Extreme levels of wonder. Okay. To be fair, two things there. One, she was responding to like, it was a callback. to some sort of familial ritual that Jonathan Safran Foer had explained about wonder levels. And I want to go back to that. Okay. But number two, at least she only spent one sentence on James Blake. Like, honestly, this is good music criticism. One sentence and we're out.

I like the we. I like that she was trying to remind him that she's still married. Not I, we. There is definitely several references to his wife, I mean, her husband throughout the thing. Explain the Wonderline thing that he talks about. Okay, so, you know, again, I guess I'm sappy. The descriptions of, like, family life and trying to be a good dad didn't bother me as much. And that's how I read the, um, the guinea pig thing.

The guinea big thing. But hold on. The one. I felt like he was really motivated by his guilt over, like, having left their mother. Totally. I mean, this is, this is a person working out a lot of issues. I would love to, like, we should get a jam session psychologist to come in and, like, read certain things, certain texts.

But anyway. On, um, Bachelor party this week, Brian Curtis and I were also talking about, brothers, like three brothers in a family, and like who's the loser's three brother, third brother. And like, I don't, I'm not saying I know for sure, have any proof, but it might be Jonathan Saffron four. Okay. Among Frank, John and Josh, I think it might be Jonathan. Okay.

So I want to explain Wonderlines, though, because I have, it's a comment and then a question for you. So this is from, this is Jonathan Saffron for writing in email. For the last half a year, we have played a game at dinner called the Wonderline. If one of the kids can tell me something that generates the experience of wonder, we call it clearing the wonderline. That's a cute thing. Okay? That's fine, I guess, with small children.

Yeah. I skipped over a specific part of this quote that I will now read. If one of the kids can tell me something that generates the experience of wonder, here is Jonathan's affront for her's like definition of wonder. I'm cringing right now. The cocked head, slight nod, raised eyebrow, and muttered, hmm, that is not how you experience wonder. That is the opposite of wonder. That is like pretentious. That's so, I mean, it's sad.

It's almost sad. Hmm. That's not feeling wonder. That's literally what you do when you don't believe someone. That's the opposite of wonder. I just, it makes me sad for his children. It makes me sad for him.

Come on. Feel joy. There's no joy anywhere in this. That's an interesting thing. Actually, that's not true. One thing I did like about. James Blake. Natalie Portman also,

So this is a Natalie Portman quote. Now of court, talking about their email relationship, now of course I'm comfortable enough to send you videos of a sax playing walrus. Oh, yeah, I like that. That's a great late viral video poll. That's really good. I thought it said sex at first, though, so I was just like good. Well, yeah, I guess that's true. All right.

I have a few questions for you. Sure. As a Jewish adjacent person, how did you feel about all the Judaism in this article? Because, like, for me, I'm like, ooh, Israel, ooh, two Jews. yeah, let's talk about this stuff. But, like, did you care? Because I spent a lot of time on that. I mean, I thought that Natalie Portman was most interesting when she was talking about that.

She's clearly engaged in the topic and has thought a lot about it. I honestly, there were a couple times where I was like, she seems pretty smart and thoughtful. And I don't care about her craft, but I did think that it was interesting. Yeah. So I didn't mind. Like, I thought. This was a W for her. Yeah, I thought they spoke well about that.

She came off seem pretty cool. A core part of this piece is that she's wearing socks and various like sweaters and like fashion underwear. I'm just going to say a couple things here. Okay. Really nice sweaters. Yes, the sweaters are nice. I too dislike wearing pants in my home. So like if this is what she wants to wear, fine.

Okay, but what about the socks? I feel like the socks. I'm sorry to get academic here is like some real like male gaze shit. Like this. Yeah. You wouldn't like, if you were her, you wouldn't be like, you know what I need to be comfortable in my home to wear a bikini in socks?

Yeah, I guess that's true. Like, that's just not how it goes. And I just feel like that, like, for actresses who come into the consciousness so young, the kind of like the idea of them growing up and turning into women is very hard to do. Natalie Portman's done it very well. And I feel like the socks, like, really rings to me as someone who is, like, interested in, like, I don't know, like her, like, it's like a commentary on, like, her sexiness from, like, where we first met her to, like, where she is now.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this. But I just feel like it's like a real, it's not hot and it's just weird. I just feel like really bothers me. I think you're right about the male gaze thing. And I do also, you know, I always wonder, there was a fair amount of criticism. People like, why? And then she wearing pants. And it's like, Pam, that doesn't bother me.

But we just read a long piece of text that like proves that Natalie Portman is actually like a thinking person who is definitely aware what's going on. So I'm kind of like if this, if she was comfortable with this. That's a good point. She looks nice. Like I don't actually... She looks beautiful. She looks beautiful. It doesn't really seem like she's being taken advantage of or is like an unwilling participant in any part of this.

Yeah. So I'm fine with it. I also really want this V&A sweater. Like, it looks great. Which one is that? It's the one with the kind of weird sleeve. Oh, I see. Yeah, that is nice.

Cool. But I mean, she's wearing socks. It's weird. I know. That's why I was hoping, you know, if I just said it out loud. I don't know how much the socks are it doesn't say. Unfortunately. Can't tell.

I like Natalie Portman. I kind of wish I liked her more, but I really dislike Black Swan, so that gets in the way for me. I liked Black Swan a lot. I had a great time. Then she sort of disappeared. Oh, I forgot that she's playing Jackie Kennedy. That's going to be great. I'm here for that.

She's got a beautiful speaking voice. She should do a podcast. Maybe she could come on this one. That'd be great. And bring socks for all of us. Yeah. I don't know. I did walk away from this liking her.

The part where she talks about Fiona Apple and the part where she talks about like an ex-boyfriend who called her Moscow, which was reason enough to dump him, which she notes in the piece. She does bring up other romantic, other paramours who are not Jonathan Safran Foer throughout the exchange. Yeah, I like it. So she must be aware of what's going on. It's interesting that she agreed to do this.

I know. Like, what's the upside for her? I have, I mean, I guess publicity. I guess so. We are talking about this. Would we talk about this with anyone else? She could have done like a regular interview magazine feature with like any other boring writer. And I don't think that we would have talked about it.

She's like the type of celebrity where I'm genuinely curious about her life because she does a great job of shielding it from the public eye. It's true. So when she makes conscious, she made every decision she makes obviously very conscious. It's pretty cool that she moved to Paris when she had a baby. Yeah, for her husband for his ballet career. Though it's not going that well and I think they're coming back. Yeah, didn't he get like downgraded or they're fired or something? Yeah, there was drama in the ballet community.

Damn. He was a little too avant-garde is what I understood. If you could only watch one dance movie for the rest of your life, would be center stage. Center stage. Like, don't even finish the sentence. And for dancing. It's so good. Oh, man. Well, this is an exciting development. I have to admit that I did not hate extremely loud and incredibly close. Like, I just did it. This is an area of expertise for you also. Yeah, I've read every 9-11 novel out there,

and I didn't hate it. And I'm sorry. I don't, I prefer, like, the thing about it is about his emails is you can understand why he's a good novelist. Like, he plays a part. But when he's playing himself, it's awful. It's just, I am aware that they are playing. They both knew what they were getting into when they did this and they're playing on all of the rumors of everything. And I give them a lot of credit for that.

That's a good. That's brave. That's Falsy. I'm into it. It's true. At the same time, I feel like they're exposing too much and it makes me uncomfortable. It's pretty great. I can't believe this is real.

It's like manna for people. us. It's incredible. I mean, shout out to them. I guess we should just be grateful. Thank you. You know, I'm sorry Jonathan's Deffron for that I called you the Louisville Third Brother. I appreciate you and what you've done for me today. This is a pretty good transition into Taylor Swift, though. Performing relationships in the public eye. All right. Where are you on the theories? So the theories are that Taylor Swift is potentially like filming some kind of video for like a lemonade style kind of thing for her next record in which she's like recreating her various relationships with Tom Hiddleston.

Also some theories that she's just like pulling a giant prank. Right. Is there anything else out there? No, I feel like we should give credit to... BuzzFeed. Yeah, to Ellie Woodward, who is the journalist who keeps moving this theory forward. I really do appreciate it. The photo evidence is quite compelling.

Great revelation today. She's wearing the exact same dress in some Hiddleston pictures that she wore with her or styles, I think, a few years ago. It was like at least four years ago. So a lot of the romantic situations are the same. Like she's recreating photographs. She's recreating outfits. Yeah.

Yellow dress, repeat. Right. It's interesting. I buy into it for sure. Also, I feel like it's very swiftian to like think that you're kind of like pulling over the greatest trick, but then to like not make it work out. That's really true. So I was going to say I thought the theory was very convincing, but I didn't really buy into it until looking through this last, through the clothing evidence. And I was like, oh, this is slightly too choreographed.

It is probably true. Yeah. It's still an insane level of commitment for Tom Hiddleston, who has basically been living with her for several weeks now. And this is true. I can never respect him again. Yeah. So this is the thing.

It seems like there will definitely be a music video. Like that seems very clear. There will be video. There will be video. And, you know, it could all be performance art. They could just both go their separate ways and be like, we got you. But you're right. It will not feel like a success.

No. I haven't enjoyed this at all. No, because it won't be like a big reveal. The thing that differentiates Taylor Swift from Beyonce as Beyonce really does, everything she does, she does shroud and secrecy. Taylor Swift, everything she does is like so incredibly public at all times. It's true. I mean, I just feel exhaustion at this point.

Me too. So what do you make of the Calvin Harris twist? Who-hoo! This week it came out. This week Taylor Swift's publicist confirmed that she wrote the new, Taylor Swift, I mean, Calvin Harris, Rihanna's song. And then Calvin Harris went on Twitter to be like, why are you trashing me? And the way that you, like, you can't take me down.

You can't bury me the way that you did with Katie, et cetera. Okay, we'll come back to Katie, et cetera. We'll come back to Katie, et cetera. So I'm leaning, I'm leaning towards Calvin Harris is a part of this. Yeah, you have to at this point. It's like, you know, when I read them yesterday, I still, I sort of trust my instincts a little bit on this one. I feel like I've been training a long time. And you're like the Jason born of deciphering. And the adrenaline rush that I got when reading the Calvin Harris tweets

was just like, oh, this is amazing. This is really happening. And I could be wrong. Like, I'm old and the internet is cruel and lies to you. And I could be wrong. But I, like, really wanted to believe that those were real. Me too. They were pretty exhilarating. The thing that is undermining my belief and my instinct is that the tweets are still up. He didn't delete them. Yeah. And also, I have never, like, never had a Calvin Harris tweet come into my, um, transom before. So I don't really know, like, why this one crossed the Rubicon.

So, like, I just feel like it was more significant. Like, he was looking for the attention. Like, she asked him to do it or something. Also, they just seemed really, like, actually legit happy together for a long time. I felt like their breakup was abrupt. It was. And it's still so, it's weird that she's doing this so quickly if it's not for, I don't know. I'm really thinking this through right now. I would like the Calvin Harris thing to be true. Okay, here. So let's go. If the Calvin Harris thing is in on the joke, then is Katie Perry in on the joke. What do you think? I think no. I think Katie and Taylor really do hate each other. I hope so. I mean, also, Katie Perry is such a freaking Hillary stand that she used the moment to remind us that she's with her. It was wild. That gift was so powerful. I made it to dads. My dad emailed me.

last night. I was like, I just wanted to be sure that you saw this. Shout out to my dad. I would really, really like for Katie to not be a part of it. And I basically want the Calvin Harris thing to be pure because I want Katie, etc., to be a real thing. Yeah. Someone. So Katie, et cetera refers to all the people that Taylor Swift has taken down in her life.

It's an incredible summation. It made me realize yesterday that I don't have a list of et cetera's and I'm really disappointed in myself. I don't think you should be disappointed. It's like, great, you haven't taken anyone down. Like, why do that? I guess so. You don't need to, Amanda.

I mean, it's not taking any. I guess she took John Mayer down a little, but I'm still. Did she? He's doing great. Yeah, he does have a watch blog. Yeah, and he did just spend $100 on Pokemon Go. That's true. So, I don't know.

Do you think Taylor Swift plays Pokemon Go? I think she'll play Pokemon Go in like two months when it's over. Yeah, I think yes. Because this is what she does. Yeah, I think so too well. the whole thing is just like it's both fascinating and tired i'm just like taylor i don't know you know what'll be interesting actually is that when it is true how they pulled it off would be like the thing bianca is the queen of life and also of surprising people and staging big performance events um

the thing that i always want to know is like how did she pull it off what does that nDA look like how do they actually do this? It's still like amazing and a triumph. And I would like to know more. And because it's Beyonce and she's good at this, we'll never know more. But at least with Taylor, maybe the machinery will be exposed. She'll read a Tumblr post about it. Or they're like she's not, you know, if you're getting caught being like the photographer that you hired for your friends, um, is then also captured by the paparazzi, then you're not good enough at this. Do you think that that was intentional for people to see that there was a photographer with her? I don't know.

This is like the Truman show kind of. This would be a great Christopher Columbus film. Do you think that this can end in a good album? I don't know. I mean, she writes really catch music. She does. I even go back to the early country stuff.

Like, should have said no is a great song. It's great. Our song also great. Our song is great. I was really into One Tree Hill when Tear drops of my guitar came out and the guy and it's also One Tree Hill. It's beautiful. Yeah.

I'm still into One Tree Hill. hell by the way. Julian, I support you and your choices. Sorry, I'm just hearing a funk just being like, I'm so sad and tired. And I really used to take joy from Taylor Swift, and I don't anymore. And this is sort of a fun thing if it actually is performance. Yeah, that could be good. I feel good about that.

I don't know. I'm looking forward to more Taylor Swift music. I love shake it off. Like, whenever I'm in a bad mood, I put it on and I just shake it off. I still really love Blank's bass. Yeah, it's great music. It's great pop music. I think we should, she's spending too much time on the celebrity right now.

I don't know. I don't know. I think I have a real problem with Tom Hiddleston. Like, what are you doing, man? I have been really sad about this because I was into Tom Hedleston. What were his fans called? Hiddle something? Oh, no, they didn't favor it.

So I know he has like a name for his. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't like on Tumblr posting about it. You were. That'd be okay. Okay. Thank you for that. Thank you for the support.

I thought he was charming. Sure. I don't know that I wanted him to be Bond, which seems like inevitable at this point. But I was into the idea of watching Tom Hiddleston and things. I watched at least two episodes of the not very good night manager just because he was in it and also my orca. But yeah, it's ruined for me. Yeah, he's done for.

It's like just kind of pathetic. Whatever. Bye, Tom. I'm sure that we will continue to talk about this at some point. So it's fine. You know who it's not over for? Jennifer Anston. She's here and she is not pregnant.

Yeah, so Jennifer Aniston is having a post blogger now. For the record, it's the name predatory. I'd like to read the first sentence of Jennifer Aniston's blog post. Let me start by saying that addressing gossip is something I have never done. Is that true? All right. Fact check. Fact check. Remember Jennifer Aniston on the cover of Vanity Fair in nothing but a white shirt calling Brad Pitt really mean. It's the sensitivity chip quote. I forgot about that one. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's important. That's one of the two most important.

important vanity fair covers of Jennifer's not wearing that much clothing and talking about their A-list to ex-husbands being mean to them. So I remember it. You know, she doesn't do it every day. But anyway, the blog post continues. For the record, I am not pregnant. What I am is fed up. Good wordplay. I'm fed up with the sport like security scrutiny and body shaming that occurs daily under the guise of, quote, journalism, the, quote, First Amendment and, quote, celebrity news. And she goes on from there. She talks a lot about how the paparazzi make her life miserable, which I understand.

Yeah, it sucks. I have a question, though. Yeah. Why are we still photographing Jennifer Aniston? She hasn't done anything meaningful in a while. Who cares? Like, I don't actually get that. Like, how much can they really get for a Jennifer Aniston photo?

I mean, I do think that the actual true point of this particular piece, you know, that she's writing and the hunt is that like if she ever does decide to have a child people would be like yeah which is which is fucked up she's she's not wrong she's not wrong no i obviously agree because basically uh she and bradpitt got divorced and she's been cast as like the scorn sad woman ever since and she cannot people will not let her get past that and really suck to be like reminded of it all the time i think it really does suck i think she's probably made a ton of money off of it. Like, let's name the Jennifer Anderson's commercials that are currently running on the air.

Avino? Smartwater. I mean, she's basically a commercial actress. They could they really, I guess that's what Vanity Fair, Jennifer's do. That's true. They're really tone deaf, uh, airline commercial where she's like, I had a terrible dream and I woke up and they're like, she was like, they didn't have showers and a bar on the plane.

Like, I'm genuinely confused by her choice to do that commercial. doesn't make any sense at all. I just need to know how much she's getting paid for all of these because she's not making money other ways. Yeah, it's really true. I mean, I think they seem like a great couple. Justin Theroux, he's a total babe. Good, shout out to him.

He's really handsome. He's good on the leftovers. Yeah, he's great. I just, I don't know why she's still being hounded. Like, who cares about her anymore? Like, does she sell us weekly covers? I think she probably does more than any other. Jennifer?

I think, I think the two Jennifer's are kind of the only, like over 30 actresses. It's a very small group of actresses who still matter in a celebrity sense. And they don't even really matter, but it's lingering. Yeah, well, it's hard to be a, you know, a movie star. It's true. They don't really exist anymore. And so if you can't get the Kardashians, then I think you go for the established.

Like, we haven't had a Jennifer Lawrence paparazzi moment in a while. Like, what's she up to? And like, why doesn't she get the same scrutiny? I think that she does. does. There is also a thing of some celebrities are better at avoiding paparazzi than others. And I think Jennifer Aniston probably is just one of the few people who can't help it and is just following around and they know where she lives. And she wants to be out in the world. And so they follow her every day. I actually don't think Jennifer Anderson is a blame. But there are some celebrities

who you never see. Like Matt Damon is one of them. And there are some celebrities you see all the time. Ben Affleck is one of them. Looking at you, Ben. Like, there is, you know, paparazzi are annoying and get in your way, but there are clearly ways to go get around it because so many celebrities do all the time. Right, right. It was cool that she wrote something, though. Like, I really support it.

Yeah. She should have done on a medium, though. Doesn't she know that's the cool platform now? I think she doesn't. I mean, I think that's doing it on the, not to take any shots, but I think it's of a piece. Sure. The medium means something. The place she chose.

Yeah, I don't know. I in general, I know it's hard being a celebrity and I know paparazzi are invasive, but there are people who have figured it out and I sort of, I have a hard time with people who complain about it so visibly. Even that's rude. That's a bad instinct, I know, because I know it's really invasive and makes their lives terrible. It's in fact extremely dangerous.

Yeah. But I do think there are people who have figured it out. Sure. I know. Like moving on it. And I do think that most. most celebrities make a ton of money off of it. Yeah, they definitely do.

Yeah. Well, all right, Jennifer. Good for you, though. Flexing those muscles. Would love to know who your editor was. That's a great question. Also, you know. Who else helped you write in it?

Right, that as well. She should start a Players Tribune for celebrity actresses over 35. Wouldn't that be great? I feel like that should just be a part of goop, like an extension of goop. Yeah. But actually I do think it would be kind of cool because, like, I feel like it's too revelatory when women are like, this is like the best. bad thing that happened to me when I worked on a movie. Not to, not to discount what happened,

but like, just tell the stories more and do it on your own platform. Right. I mean, that's sort of what Lenny is doing. It's true. Yeah, shout out to Lena. Yeah. Good job. Last but not least this week, we need to talk about an emerging trend that makes you, Amanda, very unhappy, or at least very bexed. Well, I just don't understand it. So Russell Wilson and Sierra got married finally, and we can talk about that. It's not even a finally. I hate Russell Wilson. I just hate us. Okay, well, I mean, we're just jumping right to that again. Um, they got married on a Wednesday in Liverpool. And I have a lot of questions about the logistics of this wedding.

Some of their grooms people included Jimmy Graham, Russell Wilson's teammate of one season, and Kelly Rowland of Destiny's Child fame. Right? She was there. Yeah, she was. I mean, who else was going to go to Liverpool on a Wednesday? Was Baby Future there? I don't know, actually.

That's too sad. That's like, that's really sad if he wasn't. Where do you stand on including children from a previous? marriage in your wedding. It's very important. If they're like three or under. Include them. Yeah. Because then they'll grow up and be like you didn't even care enough to include me in your wedding. What would you do if you were a little future in like in 10 years? Sorry. In 10 years you had to see videos of your mom and like maybe her ex-husband Russell Wilson talking to how much sex they had after they got married. I, Jesus Christ, can you even imagine? I can't imagine. It's like I used

to think about like if like you had a parent who was on the real world like what is that like to see them making horrible like drunken mistakes at the age of 22 like i just can't imagine going on reality tv is like unfair to your family i mean you just have to hope that like an asteroid will come and wipe all that technology before our children grow up or something it's it's so rough so so so rough that's why like when people are just like incessantly recording themselves and just like you know it's not going away like this everything is permanent now unless you're jonathan saffron for his email otherwise it's permanent but yeah so they got married on Wednesday as i had liverpool and none of it's it's not like they're like british like they just like chose a random castle on a wednesday i don't get

it who can go to that wedding only celebrities only celebrities or people who don't have jobs which i guess like if you're a quote creative type maybe or you're it's off season although is it off season for nfo it's he's a training camp starts in like a week or two so he had a he had a window which to get it get it done it's just i mean i guess maybe maybe the logistical explanation is a they had a window about a week and half, and that was the only time the castle in Liverpool was available. That said, why a castle in Liverpool? Unless you're English, England's not really a wedding destination. It's not great weather. It rains a lot, hard for your pictures. I mean, it's beautiful. Sure. If you want to have sort of a

moody, like, romantic wedding. Tons of castles all over Europe with better summer weather. Yeah, I guess that's true. I'm not opposed to the east. England so much is like Liverpool is a particularly weird choice unless you're from yeah unless you're a Beatles fan or you're from that place it actually wasn't even in Liverpool it's like 100 miles or like no it's like something outside of Liverpool okay wasn't a hundred miles because England's really small but it was like something not that convenient it's just very rude to get married on a Wednesday I know you're asking every especially in a destination wedding you're asking everyone to travel like a long way take off a whole week for your wedding it's very

presumptuous also like let's say you're friends with russell and Sierra and and you're not a creative and you have a job. And it's just sort of like them reminding you that like their lives are better that they can just be available on a Wednesday. Yeah. It's not fair. I don't care for it at all. And like a lot of people do a weekday wedding to save money.

But if you're Russell Wilson and Sierra, that's just not an issue. If you're Russell, you got that Microsoft money. He's in all the surface commercials. Oh, is he? Yeah, the barbershop. I don't, yeah, I don't understand it at all. I also just like someone made the joke of like, well, maybe it's so they could have sex sooner, but they definitely had sex before.

That's the biggest lot. I know. It's so fucking stupid to lie about it. I hate when Russell Wilson talks about how he was like, what if we just take all the sex stuff out of it and just focus on our relationship in Jesus? Russell Wilson, that's not how it goes. It's just so ridiculous. How long do you think they'll stay married? Russ, I feel like wouldn't want to give up on it so soon. I'm going to give him two years. Wow. Yeah, two years. What do you think? I mean, I have, I am not familiar with him at all, aside from the, I have never had sex or something, which I don't believe. And then he's on the Seahawks. He's on the Seattle Seahawks. He's like, like, preternaturally positive.

And that's just like such, it's just like so not possible to be as positive as him. On the plus side, he does like visit sick children in the hospital like every week. It's like part of his routine in Seattle. And that's great for the kids. But I just like, something about him. I just doesn't, just doesn't ring true. It doesn't seem genuine to me. Yeah, fair enough.

Rumors out there that teammates don't like him too. Okay. So two years seems good. Also, they're not allowed to play future music at any like the Seahawks. Seahawks practice it. And also wasn't there some sort of future curse where he released a mixtape before some playoff game and then they lost? That was great. I mean, I, you know, I don't really want to pick sides between Russell Wilson and future at this point.

Their trajectories are kind of opposite. Russ, the last two years, not as good as future, I would argue. Yeah, though now Ponda came and took away future. Panda, ponda, panda, panda. Okay, all right. Yeah, Bastian Swinsteiger also got married during the week. Also very confusing. In Venice on a Tuesday, here's another thing about that.

Venice on a Tuesday is way better than Liverpool on a Wednesday. It definitely, definitely is. However, it was on a Tuesday. It was honestly like three days after the Euros ended. Yeah. And Germany went pretty far in the Euros. I'm no soccer expert, but I'm aware that Germany has a pretty good soccer team. They were favored.

They were in the semis, I believe. I know. Why did he? That was really poor timing. I mean, again, I guess it's like between tennis tournaments and soccer stuff. I guess like your small window and like you're celebrating no matter what, like either for your wedding or the Euros, but still weird. It seems like things could go wrong. Are we do weddings more common in Europe?

Are we missing out on this? Well, you know, there is the European thing. I think you have to go to the city hall and then, but you have to do that here too. I had to do that. Yeah. So I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know.

Really strange. Really, really strange. If you make your guests come to a different continent, how much do you think you have to, like, cover for their travel expenses? Oh, wow. Like, do you have to give them, like, room and board? I think that's nice, at least. I think that... So expensive.

But then, like, what are you doing having your wedding in some other country? I really, really don't know. It's bizarre. The real baller move, like, the only place, it's, like, also, I guess Venice in the summer is nice. but like if you're picking destination and your celebrity like just pick someplace really like nice and private like i feel like the venice wedding wasn't that private yeah though in general like george cluny and emol had their wedding in venice also and it wasn't private either i think you pick venice because you want like you want coming out onto the canal and you want a million pictures which again i have

some questions i would like for them to do a vow renewal i just feel like we need more george and a mall yeah i don't know give me more they've been kind of quiet like kind of a quiet kind of a quiet couple. I think they're in Italy right now. Yeah. Like, you know, they're like Como. She's, she's wearing questionable chokers with her dresses, halterneck dresses. Halterneck plus, like, thick necklace does not work. I feel like she's aging backwards, like a Benjamin button. I feel like she's got like less fashionable or something and like less dignified. I don't really get it. I don't know. I still think it's so weird that he decided to get married at 57 with like a giant wedding in Venice that everyone was a part of and catered to the paparazzi. Yes, I think that is

weird as well. Okay. I don't really get it. She seems very accomplished, though. It's been a week of baffling relationships on jam session. That's really true. Thank you so much for listening. We hope you find love in a non-baffling way. That's our parting wish to you. Goodbye. We found love in a non-baffling way. The next song from Calvin Harris. Written by Taylor Swift. Bye.