The Press Box - Ep. 153: 'Bachelorette Party' With Juliet Litman, Molly McHugh, and Allison P. Davis

Episode Date: July 20, 2016

The Ringer's Juliet Litman dives deep into the 'Bachelorette' hometown dates. Ringer editor Molly McHugh makes a guest appearance to discuss the sibling rivalry between the Rodgers brothers. Later, Ringer staff writer Allison P. Davis joins to give her top picks for the show's most eligible bachelors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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A portion of the proceeds from each purchase will benefit charity water, a nonprofit organization that provides clean and safe drinking water to people in developing nations. Again, that's bitly.com slash ringer merch. B-I-T-L-Y-com slash Ringermerch. merch. Okay, let's get into it. Welcome to Bachelorette Party. I'm Julia Littman. Last night was the hometown dates. We all look forward to. Or maybe that's a fantasy suite. I don't know, but when you've got Jordan Rogers, you know it's going to be a big one. Today on the show, I'm joined by Molly McHugh.

Hi, Molly. Hey, how's that going? Great. Allison Davis is going to come on later. But first, you wrote about Jordan and his brother for our site today, The Ringer. I did. Two brothers, Aaron Rogers and Luke. Jordan and I mean. Yes. There's just so much to talk about there. First of all, like, before this season, like, how did you feel about Aaron Rogers? Just need to know.

Love Aaron Rogers. You do? Love him. Wow. I love that he hates Russell Wilson because I hate Russell Wilson. I love all the slights he makes against him. They crack me up. Everyone in this room hates Russell Wilson.

Yeah, 100%. He's the worst. He's the worst. It really is. One of the worst things about him is his Twitter handle, Danger Russ. Oh, it's so bad. Danger and then USS. Yes. Yeah. Oh, I've seen it. I lived in Seattle during the big hype and I refuse to get on board. One of the worst things about it also with how he spells it. It's like capital D-A-N-G-E, capital R-U-S-S-S. I just can't

get behind it. Anyway, we're terrible. We digress. So we're pro-A-R-N-Rogers here. Like, how did you feel about Jordan this season so far? So this is the only, this is the first season of The Bachelorette I've watched. Have you ever watched The Bachelor? Yes. Okay. Last season. Okay. So you're like brand new to reality television. Very. But I love it. I'm like 100% in now. And so I had like some background with Jojo and I decided I really liked her.

I was rooting for her. So when I saw that Jordan Rogers was going to be on this series or the season, I was super excited and thought, okay, great. She's going to be part of the Rogers family. That's fantastic. Maybe she will be friends with Olivia Munn. This is going to be great. So it was really sad when like within a few episodes and, you know, people started writing about like there's no relationship there. and Rodgers will not be on the show.

Such a bummer. I know. We got Raffles Burger instead. Oh, so much worse. I wonder if they knew going in. When they casted him, that Aaron Rogers wouldn't be on it. Like,

because do you cast Jordan Rogers if you can't get Aaron? I mean, he'd probably make it, like on his own merits. That guy probably would have made it on. Like looks like everyone else on the show. They're all identical at this point.

It's true. I guess if you can, if you can get someone who can claim ties to the NFL, it's hard to say no. Yeah. But there are a lot of those people. people out there because the NFL is a huge league. That's true. So, like, why do we have to settle for Jordan?

Although, in a vacuum, I kind of like Jordan. I'm very embarrassed by it, but I kind of do. He's pretty, he's just boring. Like, he's fine. He's not, it doesn't really stand out to me in any way. His hair is too tall. It bothers me. It drives me insane. Yeah. Yeah. His hair is rough. I also noticed that he and his mom have, like, the exact same hair. Yeah. So I was like, okay, family trend. Darla is so great, though. I really loved her. Oh, first of all, thanks for calling her by our first name. Of course. Respectful of you.

Tell me what you loved about Darla. She was like a ballerine, a hippie. Like she had this like whispery voice and just kind of like smiled and danced around. And she was just lovely. I just liked her a lot. She seemed like nervous or something. She didn't seem like the mom of a feuding family. No.

She also seemed like she didn't want to talk about Aaron. She was the only one I think who didn't engage in that conversation like at all. Yeah. Even Ed, Rodgers. His comment was very aloof. Yeah, this seems like it's much more of like a brother's thing, right? It's so Luke. It's so Luke.

Okay, so you did a real breakdown for this on the site today. Right. Luke is kind of, is Luke the oldest? He is, right? He is. Aaron is the middle son. Yes. They refer to him as the middle brother.

Yeah. It was so fascinating to me that they blurred even photos of him. That's so weird. I wonder if Aaron had some kind of like legal action where he was like, you cannot put my likeness on this show. That takes everything to like a crazy new level. Yeah. So, like, what was your read on Luke? Luke, as far as we know, is not really a football player.

He's just a brother. He's just a guy. Luke, I went back through like every Instagram he's ever posted. Oh, my God. How many does he have? A lot. And I went, the last one with Aaron was at Churchill Downs like three and a half, four years ago or something. Oh, interesting.

That's the last time Aaron shows up. A few, like a year and a half ago, he was wearing Packer stuff and kind of like had a thing of Aaron on there. Didn't like say like go Packers or anything, but like at least acknowledging. And then he has some like Seattle merch stuff. Oh shit. Yeah. Which is like, he's like, he's like wearing a beast mode shirt, like weeks later.

Whoa. I know. And he also, he has some like weird. That's pointed. It is. I agree. And he has some weird like, I think he was promoting some football merch t-shirt company for a while because there are tons of them. But he like wore the beast mode shirt.

Wow. It does not mean nothing. No. That's like very significant. I know. So Luke, I think is like this puppet master of the entire fight. That is really fascinating. Thanks for doing that research.

Of course. all. Luke does seem like this is like his cross to bear. He makes it like a bigger deal that it is. He also, I think, escalated it by invoking religion. He was like, hopefully God will see us through this. Or do remember what his quote was? Yeah, something like everything like circles back to people. God brings stuff around. It's like almost kind of like bringing a karma card into it or something, but with religion. Yeah, it was like escalating it into like a place that's like, you know, kind of like holy almost. It's like, I was like, is your feud with your brother really like a blood feud? Are you just like mad that he got out of Chico?

And I don't know where he lives now. I have no idea. But is he, I think, it feels like he's just mad. Yeah. I don't know if that's actually it. But there's also then like the Olivia Munn thing, which is perhaps where a lot of this feud is coming from. So it's rumored that the rift with Aaron and his family began when he started dating Olivia Munn.

Yeah. And as you mentioned, complicating factors as Jordan's ex-Britney is good friends with Olivia Munn. And Jordan, Brittany alleges that Jordan cheated on her. Right. So that makes it very complicated. The only detail, last night was a lot of just like rehashing of everything we've heard. They don't talk.

They're not, you know, my brother's been gone for a while. Luke basically just like repeating everything's Jordan said, but five times over and just like really hammering at home. Jordan would kind of like back away, whereas Luke was like, I'm here to talk about the Aaron Rogers problem. Yeah. But the one detail we got that was, I think, kind of knew was they said it's been one to two years. since our brother's kind of been out of the picture, which is when he started dating Olivia Munn. Right.

And also when the Packers lost to the Seahawks in the playoffs. Oh, man. And apparently Luke chose the other side. Maybe they're all just not very nice to each other. I mean, maybe. I don't know. It is like really kind of bizarre. I also, the way that Jordan talks about it,

he makes it seem like he doesn't want to talk about it, but he does. It's kind of like when you have like a sensitive topic and you want someone to ask that you can't bring it up yourself. Right. But it seems like he's kind of like contractually cannot talk about it. I think that's probably part of it. And at the X-Men premiere, which was a while ago, they asked Olivia Munn, like, oh, how is Aaron so excited to see Jordan on the show?

And she was just like, I don't know. They don't really talk, something like that. Wow. So this, like, she doesn't want to talk about the family either. Everyone's pretty open about it, putting it on Front Street. Yeah. It's an open thing, except I don't think Aaron Rogers has said a word. He hasn't.

Not even like a sub-tweet or anything. Which I respect. Sure. Yeah. Why would you? Why do you need to? Well, I dignify it. No.

Like he's like a world-class athlete and like the president referenced him last year. Yeah, he's great. Yeah. He seems absolutely wonderful. Why would he's just so above all of this? It's true. I did think that it was kind of strong editing though because they made it seem like Aaron was in the wrong. They really did.

Yeah. I really want to see. And I did feel like it was kind of clipy some of the conversation. So I'd love to see what got left on the editing floor from some of those talks. I was a little bit bummed. I wanted a little bit more shade. Oh, absolutely. And, like, I wanted to be more explicit about, like, fuck Aaron or something.

Or, like, at least I wanted Jordan to be more upset about it. Like, we heard him say that he was upset, but I never saw Jordan upset about it. Jojo was, like, the most upset. She's like, I see those two empty chairs and jazz. Like, okay, just, do you think Olivia Munn was coming? Did you, if he did bring someone to fill that chair? And, like, who put the chairs there? Yeah.

Was that so point? it? I don't know. And then one thing I thought was interesting is when they're at the high school and they're like, oh, is that a picture of your brother? There's another, I think it's the same school where there was an article done on him in the New York Times a few years ago. And there's a shot of that room or like a room similar to it in the PE area. And there's like a giant banner of Aaron Rogers. Like they must have taken some of that stuff down because I don't know how they would have gotten around. He's wearing in a conference jersey. Yeah. I mean, if I went, if I was like in that high school, like, I would claim him as much. possible. All over the place. Yeah, absolutely. There was one shot when they were in that, like, photo room where there was some kind of glass that was reflective and you could see the producers. Right. And I was just like, God, this is, this is amazing. Yeah, a little bit too much. Like, it was a lot. Last night's episode had so much producer intervention. And they clearly made Jojo talk about Aaron Rogers a lot,

although she did seem like genuinely upset that he wasn't involved. I think she wants to meet Aaron Rogers. Who doesn't? He seems like a fun guy. I want to meet Aaron Rogers. He seems great. Yeah. I did find in my, and this didn't go into the, story because it had no relevance but in my digging found that Aaron Rogers has like a very weird tie to season 15 of The Bachelor. He does? He does. Oh, with a, what's her name, Olivia or something?

No, it was, um, so his ex-girlfriend who he met at church camp in Chico, so I'm thinking like maybe the family liked her better. Oh, right. Chantal or something like that? Her sister Chantel was on season 15 with Brad Womack. Right. She was the funeral home girl. She was cool, actually.

She was cool. Yeah. She did not make it, but that, um, so there's a, there's a big throwback there. Did you watch that season? No, of course not. You should go back and watch it. I should go back and watch it. I should watch Survivor.

It's on Netflix and stuff. Or Hulu. Survivor is... I've seen like two random seasons of Survivor, but I need to... Go back from the beginning. Okay. It's a great show. So I just start at the beginning of reality television.

Maybe. And bring myself up to date. It's like your personal journey. It is. Are you familiar with Bachelor in Paradise? So I am familiar with it. I've not watched it. Are you planning to?

Wow. Have you ever seen any episodes of it? Never. Did you ever watch Bachelor? pad. No. Oh my god, Molly. You've got so much ahead of you. I know. I used to like read the recaps on Jezebel and like other like some gossip sites about them because I was interested, but I didn't know the people or watch the episodes. So I will now. As a newcomer to the franchise, who would you like to see as The Bachelor of These Four? Oh, of these four. I like Luke.

Oh my God. Luke. I can't believe it. Really? Do not, are you out on Luke? Yeah. I have no time for Luke. No interest in. I mean, it's kind of boring. You know what it is? I don't like people who are like too, like, refined and, like, too sculpting. Yeah. I do like pretty, but he's just sort of, like, too close to a kind of. So who do you go with? I mean, none of these guys are for me. Oh, okay. I'm not like interested. So would they just cast a new bachelor? No, well, I have a few suggestions. Thanks for asking. No, I am interested. First of all, do you know Sam Hunt, the country music singer? Yes. I think he would be the most perfect bachelor. He's single. Oh, okay. He played in the NFL, kind of. Oh, great. On, like, the Chiefs Practice squad. He was, like, near

NFL player. So like that's great. Just like Jordan. Does he have any ties to the Bachelor franchise at all? No, no. Let's restart it. Yeah. Like, let's just bring in a love. Some new blood. Also, he is famous, but not that famous. Like a lot of people don't know who he is. I've just seen his name like on Spotify pop up every once in a while. So yeah, he's not like. He's got a song called House Party. We Got a House Party. Yeah. And I just feel like he would be perfect for this show. Yeah. I just think that he brings, first of all, he would bring his guitar. And then they would have to pay for these private concerts he could just sing to the girls he also like could have like some like mildly famous friends yeah like for example there's a country music singer songwriter and this guy named chase who was

once on um survivor who could like be in the mix oh great so yeah chase rice chase rice chase right tater good football in carolina he did okay so there you go he could be he'd be a good bachelor too um i just think like country music crossover stars could be really good for this franchise so were you like bummed out when james was let go no i hate james oh okay no no no i hate james Okay. Like, he is not, like, not good enough. Just because you can play the guitar, it doesn't mean you should play the guitar. Sure.

So he broke that. Definitely agree with that. He broke that rule. I think there's also some other guys in the past they could bring back. There's this guy, Josh Murray, another former football player. Okay. Like, basically I want someone who plays football to be The Bachelor. Yeah.

Like, it's time. They did this once before with Jesse Palmer. Right. And, like, let's not run back. I liked that, actually. Like, I saw a few clips and I was all about it. Athletes are so perfect for reality TV because they, they are kind of self-aware.

They're used to attention, so they, like, quickly will adapt to the cameras. Like, they just are, they're really, like, made for it. I've always wanted there to be an athlete survivor. Was Jordan, like, the closest they could get this year? Yeah. You know, that's why that's going to way. I guess so. I guess.

I also, like, NFL is the best for it because of the schedule. They have, like, time off. But, like, NBA wouldn't work. I'm trying to think of who else from the NFL I would want to cast. I mean, there's so many people that it's, like, Oh, Marcus Mariotta. Oh, that'd be a good one. He'd be, I don't know.

He's not like... This is why I'd be good. Because you'd go back to Hawaii with him. True. And they'd be like a great, like, luau. His family is very fun. Yeah. His parents seem great.

That'd be great. Any other Oregon guys you want to rep for? I don't know if Joey Harrington's married or not, but if he's not, he'll be the perfect bachelor. Okay. Plays the piano. Oh, very good. Nice.

Like, very funny guy, very personal of all. But I don't know if he's married or not. We'll have to look into that. Okay. He is? Damn. Tate says he's married. It's over.

It's in 2007. He's going to Tate in years. Oh, my God. Where is the time gone? The time has flown by. Someone like Cam Newton, obviously, way too famous. But he would be a great bachelor, too. Yeah, he would be really good.

Like, he's just really charismatic. You just need a certain amount of charisma. Ben, the previous bachelor. I liked him so much. Me too. Huge crush on him. Yeah. He is good because he is charismatic, but humble, or at least like faux humble.

Yeah. That's kind of like what the people on this show, like the producers are gravitated towards. So I, Allison and I will talk about this a little bit, but I think that Robbie seems like a good pick. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. Not because I like him, but because I think he just kind of like fits the bill.

But if I were a producer and they asked me, I would be repping hard for someone from the past, like a Josh Murray or, I don't know, maybe just like go a little left. I don't know. Let's bring somebody back. Shake it up a little bit. We're already doing that with Jojo. Like it wasn't, that wasn't the prescriptive. They always do that.

They pick someone from the previous season. But it's supposed to be. Kayla. Yeah. Yeah. And so we're a little out of I know. I do feel. Is she going to be on Bachelor in Paradise?

Yes, she is. Really? Yes. They odor something. She better win. Better stay as long as possible. I bet she will stay a long time. She seems like she would be popular.

Yeah. The male population. She's cute. She's cute. Molly, I'm so happy to watch you go through this reality. Yeah, it's been a journey. Yeah, thank you.

It's exciting. It's great to have you ready about this site too. Yeah, that's right. All right. Let's get Allison Davis on the phone. Okay, cool. Molly and I just talked about Jordan a little bit. We'll talk about him too.

I don't want to deprive you of your chance to talk about Jordan, of course. But I'm kind of more interested in Luke and Robbie right now. Okay. As our two leading bachelor contenders, that's why I'm kind of like, I feel like we need to really give them some attention. So do you think Robbie's a leader? I do. I do.

I think Robbie's the leader. What do you think? I mean, I guess it's just personal preference, but I can't be okay with that. She's so boring. Okay, Allison, this is not a question of who you, Allison, want to date, but who you think would be the best bachelor? I think Luke would be a much better bachelor. So in that case, like, fine, Jojo, pick boring Robbie,

because I want to watch Luke for the rest of my life on a television. You do? So, like, you enjoy watching Luke. One of more shocks than me. Like, it's my reaction to Luke's segment last night. It was like, I wanted to freeze frame it on my computer. and, like, go to bed with it. Oh, my God.

Like, in love with what Liz was putting down. It was so good and, like, so heartfelt and the sunset and, like, the hay bails there sitting on that were perfectly drained with pillows that looked like Nate Berkus and Pellas had just, like, dropped in to decorate. It was, like, it was perfect. And, like, everything he said felt so genuine. This is why we watched the show. Like, Luke, like, did the whole fairy tale. It was perfect. Okay.

So I'm glad you brought that up. First of all, I want to say, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was. love Nate Berkus for Target, like just across the board, wonderful products. I bought Nate Burgess for Target post-its. I was like, what can I get that is not expensive, but like we'll bring some Nate Berkus into my house. And for some reason, I settled on post-its. Probably one of the worst decisions I've made in the last 12 months. But anyway, I felt like Luke's hometown was the bachelor's version of Sweet Home Alabama. And Luke was kind of like the Josh Lucas character.

It's sort of like everyone else was Patrick Dempsey. And he was winning her over with like his small town. Like obviously they just really played up the Texas. They made her wear cowboy boots. And she even said like eight times, it feels so great to be back in Texas. That's your accent got so thick. Yeah.

Although I think that's natural because I think that like people from the south when they're among their tribe, their accents come out a lot more. That's fair. That is fair. I thought that the date, I don't know. I can't take Luke seriously. Like, he's just not, like, a real human. Like, I guess he is a real human, but I've never personally encountered anyone like him. So watching him is either similar to anthropology in, like, the non-mall sense, but like in the academic sense.

Or just, like, very, like, sexually charged. Like, she's obviously very attracted to him. So it actually was kind of weird. It was almost like weird that he brought so many people to their date because I was like, no, you two are meant to be alone. Like, why did you bring everyone you know to this date? I know. You guys are just supposed to go in the corner and make out. But I thought it was, I thought it was so sweet.

Also, like a good deflection, but he didn't have to really do anything. That's a great point. It was like, oh, look, some old people to me to hang out with. And a very cute baby, like, he didn't have to work that hard in that case. That's true. That's true. it look a lot better. What did you make of them putting that date fourth out of four? Because we don't know, because they don't air them in the same order they were filmed. So what did you think about

him getting the anchor spot in the episode? I think it's either to make it like so, so I feel like because I watched it, when you watched in that order, like no matter how good, I'm looking at my notes that I took this morning. And like no matter how good Chase's date was, was he the first date? Yeah, Chase was first. Yeah. So no matter. how good his date was and I thought his date was great. Like I was so exuberant about Chase that like at the end of an hour and a half like the only thing you're going to remember is the last date you saw. So you so like I loved Luke so much more than I like Chase because he was fresher which means it's going to impact me so much harder if she ends up cutting Luke next episode,

which like we're primed to believe she will. Yeah. I think they're trying to set Luke's ball up to affect us all so much more. Conversely, I'm so exhaust. I'm so exhaust. by the fourth date, I don't even know how she does it. Like, just watching it, I'm like, God, you have to deal with four families, four hometowns, all the travel. It just seems like a lot. Well, pouring your heart out to her. You get it as like a journalist and reporter about it.

It is exhausting. I have to absorb all of that. I know. It really is. Also, like, Luke, do you think we haven't had enough horses? What's going on here? Why did he have to make it a horse date? Like, Robbie's horse date was any better.

I think, like, that was. that was the worst. I want to talk about, I want to talk about Robbie. I came to the realization this week that Robbie, not Jordan, has the most outrageous hair. When Robbie was sitting on the couch with his mom, we got a real close up of like the poof of hair on top of his skull. And I was like, does he have like some kind of like a bump in there?

Like some women put like a bump in their hair to like make it more volume. And I was like, what is Robbie doing? I just to remember. But to be honest, like, him, no, not Luke, Chase, Robbie and Jordan all have to morph into one person for me. I think Luke like stands out a little bit. Allison, I'm shocked. You're really into Luke.

I'm so surprised. Like what was like the moment where you're like, yeah, Luke, he's my number one? Like if you were Jojo, what would be the moment you point to is like, this is why I chose Luke? I'm going to say it was the hay bale moment where he was like, oh my God, I just like can't believe. I'm just being such a basic person right now. But the son was setting, and he was really struggling to, like, get the words out, and he looked, like, pained. And then after he said it, he was just, like, so unsure what was going to happen.

And my heart was, like, it just, like, melted. I don't know. This is disgusting. It's the same way that I responded to Twilight, how Robert Pattinson looked pained whenever he got too close to Cureson Stewart, because, like, he could smell her blood, and it was hard for him to resist fighting her. Like, that's what Luke looks like,

and it really looked at a big way. Wow. For some reason, like, I just, I see him in my eyes gloss over. Like, this, I'm just so shocked to hear this. I'm just like, I have no time for Luke. I just don't care. You don't tell me that you're all about Robbie.

No, I'm not. No, no, no, no. I'm not all about Robbie. But I just want to say one thing, which is I was emailing with one of our colleagues, Mallory Rubin, and she pointed out how distracting Luke's walk was. Like he walks in a way that it's like he rides horses so frequently that like his legs have like molded to the shape of a horse or something.

I can't get mad at him for that, though. That's not his fault. So you love him for being cowboys, what you're saying? I think so. Wow. This all reminds me very much of the, like, do you think that Jojo and Luke are cast because Chris Harrison wrote that book? Ooh, the perfect letter? Yeah.

That's what's called, right? The perfect letter. I have a copy. Great question. I don't know. I think Luke was cast because they needed to give her like a decent number of like Texas guys to like play up that part of her personality. I don't know.

I think I feel like Luke is, I think he's like almost like an aberration in the bachelor world. Maybe that's why you like him so much because like it's hard for me to see him as the bachelor but it's also hard for me to see him in paradise. Like I don't know. I just don't know what to do with Luke. He doesn't talk enough as part of the problem. like last night was the most we've heard him talk and as you pointed out he filled the room

with so many other people like the proverbial room because he can't like carry the conversational weight like he just doesn't have it in him he's all kisses and horses I don't know let's talk about Robbie this is this is why I don't like Robbie I'm not like give me Robbie but I think we're going to get more of him because his mom was a very clear producer pawn it was like for a second I was like, am I watching Unreal or am I watching The Bachelor right now? Because basically what happened was it doesn't really matter what happened. There was drama with Robbie's ex-girlfriend who came up a lot last night. Robbie's mom sits him down to tell him there's a rumor going around that he broke up with his girlfriend to be on the show.

And that was the only reason why they broke up and like basically implying like Robbie is like some kind of Taylor Swift liar. and the mom, we wouldn't have never known about this, had the mom who is like a third party, essentially a deus ex machina of the Bachelorette, telling Robbie about it. So like she was clearly fed information and like some kind of bot just like told her son about it. I was floored by this.

I know. I know. She really like just like didn't care about her son's well-being. In that moment, it was like must-you and ABC producer. tell me to do, which I loved. It was so petty. It was perfect. Right. So if I'm a producer of this show, I'm like, yeah, of course

I'm casting Robbie. I have a very cooperative family already. I know. But like, when does the family ever come back? They come back for the final episode, right? No. They don't come back unless he's the bachelor in which they would come back. In the final episode, Jojo's family presumably

will be there. Right. Okay. I have that confused. Yeah. But like overall, overall could you like do you think Robbie's hometown earned him Jojo's heart? No, definitely not. And I think she's like she's like trying to like talk himself into him, talk herself into him, but is not actually like into Robbie because she kept like being like, okay, this made me feel better. Like for some reason it actually almost seemed like a more honest Jojo where she was like trying to get

on board the Robbie train but like just couldn't find the door. Because she kept being like, she's like. pulled out of the station on that one. Yeah, and she's stuck on a horse and buggy. Who wants to be there? Okay, this is important. Would you, like, be into a date where you had to sit in a carriage on a horse-drawn carriage? No, not even a little bit.

Okay, two reasons. One, in general, no, I think, like, horses are so bad. It's never as romantic because you think it's going to be a not, like, a huge, yeah, it's, like, not sexy or, but then his setup was so. bad the way he was like, can you show me how to whistle? And then like there was a little bit too long of a delay. And then the horse comes around the corner and it's like obviously so hot and humid out wherever he is from. Yeah. It's a swamp. Where is he's from?

He's in Florida, like deep Florida. Right. So sorry, Florida. Like the whole thing just seemed so unappealing. Yeah. Like, you know, when you sit down on really hot leather and it like hurt, it's like, it's like burns. That's what happened. She was like obviously uncomfortable wearing like a very thin, like silk romper and didn't give her the protection she needed. Also, I always think of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer has the horse and feeds it Bino and then it's like a really gassy horse and it's like farting on to Susan's parents. Like that's the only thing I could think of last night when I was watching the date. I'd for dudes.

Because especially in this context, it's like they have so little clues about what Jojo actually like. Right. And I feel like they just like cling to the one thing that got someone. something, you know, like Jojo loves horses. Now Jojo is a horse girl. That's it. That's all they can do. I know. Like, is this the only thing we know about Jojo's that she likes horses? That's the only fact I think I know about her. I can deduce that she likes athletes. But other than that, like, what do we know? The only proven fact we have is that Jojo loves horses. She loves

and she also likes... So the next four hours. She also likes booties. She wears a lot of booties, which I think she looks good in. Yeah. No, but she looks good. This is a, maybe this is also another thing about like league segment. She looked great. I was like, they look so good together. Yeah,

I mean, that's a great outfit though. Like, she was wearing like a denim shirt, white jean shorts, and, um, cowboy boots.

And like that's like a classic like Britney Spears 2001 outfit that is like hard to pull off. But if you can do it, you look great. Like you're so lucky Jojo. This is what I have to say like, like people are, I think Jojo's the hottest bachelorette ever.

And I think she's very pretty. but like now I kind of get it the last thing that blue dress like that was the best dress in Bachelor of history I'm sorry Emily made them have nothing on Jojo I thought she was wearing too much makeup this week I thought they made her face look

very just like plastic I wonder if it was almost like too high definition like she does make up for like old cameras I feel like she needs to evolve her makeup for HD and 4K it's just my take That's the meanest thing you can say about a woman in 26th. I'm sorry.

Your makeup's not for HD. Get with it. I just think she would look prettier with less makeup. Let us see your actual skin tone. Like, I don't know what her skin looks like. I know she's from last season. I know she's freckly. I have not seen a single freckle on this girl in eight weeks,

however long this season's been on. Yeah. I guess she has been pretty, like, uniformly tan. Yeah, come on. I'd just like be a little more natural. Let's talk about Chase and then we'll revisit Jordan. Chase, I kind of like Chase, but only because he seems like exceedingly boring and plain compared to these other three maniacs. I agree with that. I mean, there was, I think like if I hadn't been so wooed by the placement of Luke State, like Chase really was my favorite, his family was. was like the most uniformly inviting. Like I really liked the talk he had with his dad. Yeah.

I think he was super down to earth. And also like, I mean, I get a little sick of the bachelor and the bachelorette using divorce is like some sort of like horrible, disfiguring disease that's like these people cannot get over. But like I think his, his baggage was like much more realistic. It wasn't like an ex-girlfriend. and his mom dropped in or like a quarterback brother that he doesn't speak to. Like it was like normal, you know?

Yeah. Well, I think that's a good point. Like they made him play up his parent or I don't know if it was like played up, but they really emphasized his parents' divorce, which is really, you know, can be really traumatic and is really tough. But it's also like a fairly common family dynamic, like just because divorce is so common. And they made it seem like he had the plague or something growing up. Like they made it seem like a lot, a lot worse.

but actually it's like a pretty like normal American family setup and that just to me exactly that just made it something I was like oh chase is regular like Chase has the kind of problems that we can all identify with and like they had to turn it into like some kind of disease for television well poor Chase but I think you're right he came off looking like really great and he's normal um I don't think he'll make it no I said this last week with our colleague Brian Curtis I just think he's gonna be a hit in paradise like he's that like a normal guy does really well in like a three-week vacation, you know, like, guys who are really normal who like if you would see at a bar regularly, you'd like, yeah, yeah, sure, whatever. But like when you're on vacation, you're like in like a secluded environment, a normal guy, like just their value sky rockets. Yeah. It's like the spring break effect. Vacation goggles. Yeah, vacation goggles. Exactly. One thing I felt bad for Chase was this presumably was filmed sometime like early May, I think, maybe late April, and there was still so much snow on the ground in Colorado.

Like, Jojo was wearing wellies. Like, that's just, I don't know. I feel like that's just like a knock against you, Chase. I agree. I don't think, even though his house in Colorado was so nice, I was like lamenting the fact that I live in New York City because I'll never afford a house. It's like that nice.

Colorado's way cheaper than New York. Dare to dream, Allison. Oh, yes, I could do it. It has to move to the snow. but like Julietette I'm not interested or sorry like like Jojo I'm not interested she's not she's not cut out for the Colorado life

he'll have to move to her wherever no I thought that Chase also had like the most bizarre mom and by that I mean she seemed like she was like on something or like just like very nervous but like that's kind of normal right like if you're on TV and like pretending to meet your son's girlfriend like you would be that way

absolutely and like the big glass of white wine was like a necessary prop for her she wasn't going to get through without it. Absolutely. Did any parents stand out to you that I forgot to ask you about, like from Robbie or Luke's date? I really liked, I think I liked Luke's dad. I think they have a bit really touching moment where he tried to say I love you and like really choked on it either because he doesn't say it ever or like that was cute.

That was cute. Yeah, that was like very notebooky with Ryan Gosling on the porch with his dad. that was very sweet. Yeah. That was very sweet. I know, I feel like, seem genuine. I feel like the Bachelor is just like, or Bachelor that is really taking a lot of

inspiration from like the notebook and Unreal and like other. Yeah. Pop culture things in order to make a show this season. I think this, yeah, I think, I think it is particularly heightened this season because yeah, I've been saying this for a while. Like the guys just seem like such a, like a bunch of duds. It's like no one's that great. Like Ben had charisma and like Juan Pablo was like somehow insane.

And, you know, Brad Womack had like some kind of like extreme anger and you kind of never knew what he was in a throw at you. But like these guys and these guys I can't see any of them being a bachelor like that really. Like I don't know. I just I don't. And also there's not like a villain. Like there's not like a Nick Vile either. They got rid of Chad.

You wrote about this like how it sucked for the show. when Chad left. Right. It did. I were just left with some sunny, boring people. Are you following Chad on Twitter? No, I had to, like, really break up with Chad.

He was getting a little too intense on social media. Maybe I should. Should I go back? Well, he's just still very active. Like, he wants people to know that his, that he still matters. And, you know, he's dating, like, Robbie's ex-girlfriend, basically. Oh, I did not know that.

Yeah. That's good. Chad. Chad's ridiculous. I know he'll be in Paradise. Are you going to watch Bachelor in Paradise? Absolutely, yeah. I think it's pretty good because Jubilee's on it. Like, how could I not? Oh, right. Oh, yeah, I forgot. I'm definitely watching, too. Okay. I want you to give me your final thoughts on Jordan Rogers. I know that we discussed it already, but I don't want to deprive you of the opportunity because Jordan's so important. I mean, like, it doesn't even matter what I say, Jojo's definitely choosing him, but I think he's like such a, douche. I think you're like, oh, it's such a deuce. I don't like

how he wears his jeans. Like, how he wears what? His jeans? I also, like, his jeans and that, like, really tight, like, bomber jacket he was wearing. I just, like, don't like his I like, I just don't like a style. I was like, oh. I was like,

oh, Jordan went to Top Shop before this episode. Okay. Okay. Went to the mall in Shiko. Yeah, excuse me. He went to a top man. I don't know. I'm a sucker for a well-worn leather jacket or a well-worn bomber jacket. Like, that's just a way into my heart. I'm sorry. It's embarrassing.

Okay. All right. Like, me and Luke's plaid shirt. But I guess, like, whatever, whatever we feel about Jordan Rogers, like, he is the future. Yeah. That's it. Jordan's inevitable. It kind of reminds me of LeBron James.

Like, it's just Jordan's inevitable. Can't avoid him. It's inevitable. He's inevitable. Alston. He's probably somewhere going to hear this, and he's so amped that you. You just compared him to LeBron. I know.

No one's ever compared him to a good athlete before. That's a great point. Allison, thank you as always for calling in. You are a true delight. Thank you, Juliet. I will talk to you after the finale. Yeah, I'll talk to you soon. Thanks to Molly.

Thanks to Allison. And thanks to you guys for listening. Next week, I'll be back. It'll be the final three. And who knows where Jojo's heart will lie then.