The Press Box - Ep. 165: 'Bachelor Party' With Juliet Litman, Emily Collette, and Sam Usher

Episode Date: August 12, 2016

On this week's episode of ‘Bachelor Party,’ Juliet Litman is joined by 'AGW' associate producers Emily Collette and Sam Usher to discuss 'Bachelor in Paradise.' They give their conflicting thoughts on Christian, and talk about Leah's new look, appropriate footwear at the beach, and the sexy six's make-out pad. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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good deal all right from your phone so drop your old ticket app and experience buying and selling tickets the way it should be start using seek geek down on the pre seek geek app or go to seekeke dot com welcome to bachelor party i'm juliet litman joined by the laughing sam musher and the smiling amy mollette associate producers of wednesday associate producers yeah you guys are back for a second week it's just like paradise it's like i gave you a rose and who knows how long your stay will be thanks for having us that's why i have to make the most of your time yeah you better you better do a good job. One thing that came out of last week's podcast that I have not followed through on, but I will be, is that I think you, Sam, are actually eager to be a contestant on the show. That's my read of you.

And therefore, we'll be making a video for you. No, please. I really don't want to do that. As I said on the pod, I'm several years away from actually wanting to. Right now, it's just funny to think about. And I'm like molding myself to maybe one day, like when I'm 30, be able to do it. But I truly don't want to right now. It's a life ruiner. I don't think it is, though, not for you. Not if you have like a pre-well, maybe your life's low, just kidding. But maybe like if you have like a premeditated, like I'm going to do this kind of thing, it's not as bad. But it's funny to joke about and then the moment you actually show up stepping out a limo, doesn't everyone in your world like, oh, God, like he or she has like fully lost it.

I mean, I guess maybe. I wouldn't say that about you though. It would be on brand enough that it's like, okay. You make top four. It'd be good for your career. Oh, can you imagine the embarrassment though? If you get sent home night one that's the that's the chance you can't run you have to get home sent home night one or final four nothing in between will suffice yeah no way that's a waste of our time do you have a line do you have a line that you'd say out of the limo well i would i would probably you know one knows what i look like on like because they just hear my voice but i would introduce myself and it's like hi i'm sam i'm chris harrison's son i look forward like getting to talk to you inside that's such a bad line it doesn't make any sense i would have her rattle it'd be like the mr crab memes you're like

Whoa. Okay. That's very interesting. Only more reason for us to do it. He's thought about it, Julia. Let's talk about Paradise. Let's do it. A lot of Nick.

Josh Murray arrived. A lot of Sarah. I think I want to talk about Sarah first. Is that okay? Dive in. Sarah got a few dates this week. She went out with Daniel, the Canadian. I've upgraded him from the Canadian to first name.

Now we can officially call him Daniel. He earned it. He did earn it. And she also went out with Christian, who was happy to see again. on the show from, uh, what's her name? I forget her name, Jojo season. I've already forgotten her name. Side note, do you guys follow her on Snapchat?

No, after, I do. Of course I do. Literally, of course you do. She took a road trip from California, Dallas with Jordan this week. It went suspiciously fast. No. I thought it seemed, I mean, I'm sure they drove like we saw it, but I just was like, wow, that's like not as long as I thought it was.

How are they doing together? Judging by Snapchat. I think it's pretty good. They were at a concert last night with one of her brothers. Did you see that? Yeah, and they're with the family. There's a picture of, you know, they're with her parents. Yeah.

He's mingling with them. It's not Sean Caitlin-level Snapchats, which were the cutest things of all time. But it's up there. It's nice. I don't follow Jojo on Snapchat because I did follow Caitlin on Snapchat and Snapback Bean. I, like, I had enough of her after a while. After like two months, I was like, oh, my God, I can't watch anymore, like makeup tutorials. Caitlin's a very active Snapchater.

Yeah. Does she do makeup tutorials? All the time. Really? All the time. I just want you to know, it's a 21-hour drive to Dallas from here. That was fast to look that up. Yeah.

Ways? I just Google math it. Ways and cut off about 45 minutes of that thing. I don't believe in Ways, actually, but that's a story of our podcast at another time. So we had a lot of Sarah. She went out with Daniel first. What do they do on their date? They didn't have a date.

Oh, he just was into her. Well, he created that like cabana for them. Right. Strawberries. Yeah. He was worried about losing her. So he created a date, which is a great move, both on The Bachelor and Bachelor of Paradise. Yeah, I have a theory about Daniel.

Let's hear it. I just think he's wooing her to stay around. They don't fit. I don't believe that he likes her. I think he's into it so he can keep getting a rose and see who else comes. Interesting. He did seem kind of diabolical, close friends with Chad. Yeah.

But you didn't think when he, like, revealed himself, he, like, really opened up to her very vulnerably in the cabana. for me. That was legit. That was legit. No, sometimes I see through people. I think he likes her. Christian, Christian, I'm waffling on.

I don't know what I think yet. Christian, it's hard to say because we haven't gotten a lot of him. But everything we've gotten from Daniels has been fairly sinister. Until now. When we first met Christian in the beginning of Jojo season, I thought Superstar was tattooed on his forehead. You pegged him as a next bachelor. Night one. I was like, that's the guy.

He's the one who had like a brother's situation, right? He raised his brothers. Great backstory. Yeah. Great backstory. He did seem like a nice guy. Christian's a good name for The Bachelor, too. Yeah.

Christian. I just want to talk about Christian. I don't know. Just an idea. I like him. But? Well, I think they might be the storyline because when Sarah walked in night one, Chris Harrison said they made a big deal about showing him and Sarah and him saying, I really want you to find love. They just like made a big production out of it.

So I think they might get serious. Yes. It's interesting to see Sarah get so much attention because... It's great. Yeah, it is great. This is her third time in paradise or her second? Her second, I believe. Right.

She skipped... Third time overall. Right. Because she was also on Sean Lowe's season. She, in the past, has not really, like, gotten a fair shake. But now she's, like, the target of many of these guys. It's great to see. It's great to see.

So if you guys were in Sarah's shoes, who would you go with? Who would you give that elusive rose to? It's Christian versus Daniel. She and Christian went on like an extreme sports date, which seemed pretty fun. I could see where that's like super bonding for you too. Oh, for sure. A little too much ziplining, if I'm being honest, like it seemed like one or two ziplines too many, but an incredible date. How many ziplines is the right number of ziplines?

It's a great question. For me one. Just one. Yeah, like once you zip line once, like you get it. Like I've ziplined. But I think they did like three or four. It does seem like a good like tropical activity. I've never done it if I've always wanted to.

Let's go ziplining. Okay. Yeah, see you in paradise. Who would you, who would you choose? Christian. Wow. Christian came in more determined to be with her. Yeah.

And Daniel, I can't, like, you're friends with Chad. Right. That's just a red flag. And she should have, she should have known that. Like, she saw Daniel Chad. She has all the information available to her. Was Daniel friends with Chad or did he play Chad? I think he played Chad.

I'm so surprised by how much you want to believe in these people. You're giving him too much. I think, I think Daniel played Chad like a fiddle. You're giving him. way too much credit. He latched on to his son. He knew that this guy was going to get screen time. So he was like, I'll be the one who gets screen time with him.

And then the moment Chad would implode, he would be right there, like tell Chad off and look like a great guy. No. I'm giving Daniel Savant status. I think he's a savant on this show. Okay. That's interesting take. Thank you. However, I wonder how much else the producers are helping him.

When you make your own date, you have to have the assistance of other people. So maybe they are also like, Daniel, why don't you just do this? this. We don't even know for sure if it was his idea. That's true. That's a great point. I think as a whole, Paradise is far more heavily, heavily produced. It's also like it's so produced that you forget that it's produced because every moment is so absurd. Like everything they do with the opening credits. So I think like, okay, Christian is a noob nobody, right?

He has no status. If I were entering Paradise as a nob nobody, I would be nervous that I'm about to get played. So I think Christian is about to get played. You're just a disposable, like, character on a TV show. The same thing happened to Leah or Leah or whatever her name is. You're a pawn. You're a pawn and you're about to get played. Leah was the mean girl that was used by the producers, but also probably is mean in Ben H's season.

They gave her like a Franken bite where she like throws Lauren under the bus. But like I'm sure she was intending I'm throwing Lauren under the bus. But I don't think she ever exactly said what they made it seem like she did. Yeah, I think they gave her like too harsh and at it. Yeah. And now she's back. She's gotten collagen in her lips. And she was a hot mess.

And all the other girls were just instantly so mean to her, too. She was the outcast of Paradise. What is collagen? It's like a lip injection. That's what makes your lip look like puffy? Do you guys think she had more done than just her lips? Yeah. I don't know.

It's a short amount of time, so I'm going to go with no. I think only injections really could happen in the time between Ben's season and Paradise. But who knows? Like, it's only been six months since we last saw her on TV. She looked so different. Yeah, I think it could have been the lips, maybe some Botox or like some other fillers, but nothing that's like that significant. But the biggest problem for her is that she came in feeling herself, and that's a mistake.

Again, like she was probably pumped up a little bit. By a producer. Yeah. Like, you look amazing. You're going to be the hottest one there. She went really hard on florals and that was a bad move. So do you think she shows up, a producer's like, like Leia, your lip looks? It's Leah.

It's Leah, Sam. It sounds like Princess Leia. So Leah, you think they're like, Leah? your hair looks great like your lip is so like beautiful and like I think you should go after Nick like I think that's the guy for you like Nick's not doing anything because the people when they come in they have to be told like a little bit beforehand who's there like who's in the pool they're choosing from because otherwise how can they make decisions so quickly there's no way you don't think that they genuinely you know when they like show up and they're like so who wants to talk you don't think

that they're making their judgments off of those like five minute conversations not really I think they come in pretty premeditated and like they probably get like like half the information or some misinformation, but I'm sure they're told stuff. They don't just go in completely blind. That would be ridiculous. Some of them have been talking beforehand. Oh, the classic DMing.

Oh, the producers know this. Yeah. I think they're on a text level. Maybe even WhatsApp. Who knows? It all starts at the DM though. The DM is an incredible, what a tool in 2016. I'm telling you.

You up? You up? That kind of DM. A lot of emojis, a lot of just winky faces. All right. Well, all these stories were just kind of secondary to the main new emerging love trial love triangle, excuse me,

it's also a trial of Nick Vile, Josh Murray, and Amanda of the mom. I don't know her last name. Stanton? Stanton. You want to know what? I didn't need to know, but thanks guys. We're here for you. So Nick and Amanda go on a date. Nick is asked on a date by Leah. They go, it's fine. He makes out with her,

of course. He's like obviously a make-out, which is fine. Why not? He's cute. No, he's not. But anyway, he goes out with Leah, and then he comes back and he gets a card himself and then he goes out with Amanda and like he thinks like they're really viving. One thing about Nick was he was shirtless the majority of the episode which we saw him. His veins were bulging.

Bulging. Just bulging. It reminded me. It reminded me, you guys, I don't find that attractive. I just don't. You don't like a tight bod? Not like his. No.

You don't like a buff bod. It reminded me of two things. I like a buff bod, but not Nick's. It's overly buff. It reminded me of two things. One is buff Ryan Reynolds, which is very unnatural looking. well. Oh, what? And number two is the TV show Kingdom with Nick Jonas. He looks like he belonged on the show Kingdom. But I was just like, why are his veins protruding like that? Is that normal?

I didn't notice that. I noticed his hot bod and Nick Bile's style, his striped swim trunks. Those were good. That's true. It's from Blue Mint. Blue Mint? Yeah. Do you have those? No, but after I looked it up, of course, Blue Mint is he's hawking the product on his Instagram. And if you go onto their website and you try to buy the bathing suit, this is how classy it is. The price is in pounds. It leads me to believe. Oh, interesting. I thought you were going to say something we had to do with Nick on there.

No, just like he's buying from a classy place. The other thing about Nick's style. It's English. It's classy. That's just where I associate. I see. And you can't even like get them in America. Like you have to go abroad for these bathing suits.

He probably saw him in a magazine and bought them. I don't think he went to London. No, you can just buy it. Yeah, it's easy. The other thing about Nick's. beach style, and this is a note that I've personally taken. I've been doing this for years, just take it or leave it. Sandals are for squares, for dudes. Sandals are out. Nick is Converse on the beach at all times. I don't know if you noticed that. I did not notice that.

I didn't. What about, is it all canvas sneakers or just converse? Particularly, all canvas sneakers, but particularly the white converse. So Sam, do you own a flip-flop? I own a rainbow. Yes, I own a rainbow. That's it. One rainbow back. No, no, I have a One pair of rainbows. One's appropriate for rainbows for you. Like a suit, like if it's a super hot day at the beach. Like, look, I'm, I only wear rainbows at the beach. Okay, I support that.

But I'm thinking of, like, transitioning to converse at the beach. What about dock shoes, spary top-siders? Aggressively never owned a pair. Aggressively so. I will, I will, I will, I will, I saw a lot of kids, like, at college wear them. I will die before I buy a pair of sparries. It's just off-brand for me. I would never do it.

Emily, where are you from? East Coast. Yeah, because, like, it's pretty common. I'm not that into it, but, like, I accept it. It's, like, a fact. I like it. It's fine. What would you take?

Sparries or Converse? I'd take Sparys. If a guy had Sparys on, I'd be like, hey, oh. I think Sparries is a little, it depends where you are. It's so regional. Like, in many places, sparries is not an affectation, but, like, in California, it could be. What about, what about the region of Paradise? If you saw it, like, okay, I think Jared Rocks Sparries.

Yeah, because he's from Rhode Island. Yeah, he's from New England. It's kind of a dumbie guy. Um, question. Take that back. Um, quick question. Where do you I stand on men in Birkenstocks at the beach? Emily?

Hard no. Hard no. Hard no. Hard pass. Wow. That dude needs to relax. Okay. Next.

What about men in like the Adidas slides shower shoeed sandals? Yes. The hardest pass for me. No, yes. Really? So you go Burke's over athletic slides for men? Yes. Even though it's like the soccer player style

And also now NBA I see a lot of the NBA I love the athletic slides The Adidas slides are like fully in right now I've seen a lot of people on my Snapchat feed Rocking Adidas slides The ones that like hurt your feet on the bottom Yeah No the ones that hurt your feet

Those are back Yeah What's harder to break in? Rainbows or the Adidas that hurt your feet Rainbows and that's why I've owned You gotta bleed for both of those That is why I've owned the same pair of rainbows For like seven years

And my friends are always like you need But like the I'm on year three of my rainbows Do they smell? No, no, I wear them once and ever. I wear a lot on the weekends and like to the grocery store. For girls, it's totally okay. But if you saw a guy, like...

Wide strap or thin strap? I honestly don't know. Whatever it is, it fits my flag. What color do you have? Tan, the classic tan. Like the dark or the light? No, the lighter one. But like now that I've worn them for seven years, that's the thing I can never buy a new pair

because I think that the light tan ones, they just look new, look too aggressive. Yeah, they look lame. And it takes a lot of time to break them in. And like, I'm not going to wear them that many times. One time I went to Portugal and I thought it would be a good time to break in my rainbows, boy, was I wrong. No. Boy, was I wrong. That was tough.

Bad idea. Really tough. Really recommend Portugal would be a great location for Paradise, actually. Oh, smart. Nice. Yeah, also really cheap there. Okay. Back to Nick and his style.

Well, actually, we can move on from his style. So Nick goes out with Amanda. He's feeling really good about it. And then he's screwed over by the producers. Josh Murray comes in next. And they must have been like, Josh, go for Amanda. Because why else would he have so quickly keyed in on her? Because he walked in and goes straight to her.

As a guy, I know why he keyed it on Amanda. Because she's hot? She's hot as one there by like, there's a wide golf right now in Paradise. And it's like Amanda and a huge golf. If any guy walked in. Who would you put it number two, looks wise? One of the twins. Emily, she's the funnier twin.

You can tell the difference? Yes. Unlike Brandon, Brandon, Brandon. Brandon. Brandon. Brandon. I personally, I would, this is going to be, this says something about who I am, but Izzy. Izzy.

Oh, yeah. I like Izzy. She's natural looking, which I like. Izzy, honestly, one for me. Like, I'm not a big Amanda guy. I neither. Is he one? Is it the Ombray hair or is it the sound of her voice?

Oh, it's part sound of her voice and also part, like, the whole, I'm not a big fan of parents on Paradise. Me neither. It just generally like turns me off to the person. Yeah, it's not appropriate. Evan and Amanda, they should go. So Josh and Amanda, they have a sit down. He asked her on a time.

date and then they go on like the best day possible which is they just hang out on like a yacht for the day. A day trip on a yacht sounds great. Like does it get better than that in paradise? No, I thought that was a great date. Yeah. It seemed lovely. And then they started me. Better than the Evan Carly pepper kiss. Oh my God. That was awful. Well, Evan and Carly, they're not even in my world. I don't care about them at all. But I had a great time following that. That was a really fun hour for me. I had to look away. I got uncomfortable and I had to look away. The short story is Evan and Carly, Carly, who was embarrassed last year on the show by being broken up with. She had to

go on a date with Evan, the erectile dysfunction man. And the date was to eat hot peppers and then make out for as long as possible to break the Guinness World Record. The show, the Bachelor franchise is so into breaking records, like having to do with kissing. It's really weird. If you

open up the record book, it must just be littered with Bachelor. It's not funny or awkward, but whatever. Let's get back to Josh and Amanda. So they go out, they go on the boat and right away, this is another moment of producer intervention, Amanda makes him talk about what Andy Dorfman wrote about him in her tell-all. Yes. And he was not nice about Andy at all.

At all. Do you guys know what she wrote about him? Yes. We looked it up. You had to look it up. After that episode, I immediately... Explain what she wrote. Deep dive.

So in her book, she wrote about Nick and Josh. Damn. Which I would like to say that... Nick in the show, two cameras said, you know what? What Andy wrote about me was... Not all fiction is what he said. Based in truth. He said, yeah.

It was not all fiction. His words were pretty weird. He was like, it's not all fiction. Some of, like, part of it was true. So I have to assume part of what was written about. Josh was true. It was a very stand-up sentiment by Nick. Very, like, I was like, good for you, man.

But he only said it as a way of, like, hurting his enemy, you know? He took a loss. That's okay. Savage is. Let him be a savage. Josh, on the other hand, said... It was all not true. All not true.

What did she say, though? She said that he was emotionally abusive. I believe that. He said that during the season... She said in her book that during the season, while their season was playing out, he told her if she slept with Nick, he would dump her and never forgive her.

So she kept it from him, and then she obviously realized she had to tell him, and she said basically he used that against her the entire time they were dating, that like will you slub with Nick so like you're a whore That's awful That's awful Can I so I didn't watch Andy Dorfman's season

Why not? I think I was in college Hopefully doing like better things I think she's one of the hottest bacheloretts Or ever Especially because she's like a strong independent Like woman with a life But can you guys

Can you guys help me Figure so I don't really know that like the Backstory that much Were you guys in the past team Nick or team Josh? This is what happened with Josh and Nick. The thing is that no one likes Nick. So it's very hard for me to like Nick

because everyone around him just thinks he's like scummy. Okay. So at the time in Andy Dorman season you thought he was scummy? Yeah, I was a Josh Murray fan in the indie season. I am no longer.

I used to refer to Nick as Normcore Nick. He was just like so regular. Right. He was just like a guy from Milwaukee who like wore like nice-ish clothes. Like he just was, I don't know, regular. He's a regular like guy. Yeah, and he seemed to be really into Andy.

Like really, I think he really thought he was going to win. Robbie style. I don't really remember their finale very well. Do you, Emily? The Andy Nick Josh. Yeah. She broke off with him, I think, before the Rose ceremony. And the whole big thing was after the final rose.

Nick said, if you didn't love me, then why did we make love? I remember that. That was Savage also. Nick's a bit of a savage. Nick is not a good guy. That's not nice to do on national television. This is interesting to me. So what happens is Josh and Amanda go out.

And then they make out a lot. And that was the first of many times we had to confront the horrible fact that Josh groans while making out. It's so gross. So much moaning. I can't really imagine kissing someone while he's doing that. It's like a sound like it's just really like the logistics of that are confusing to me. It's really gross. To me it sounded like he was,

That kind of moaning, it's a little awkward to say, but that kind of moaning usually means like, let's go inside. Yeah, of course. Like, not like, let's continue sitting on this like, yeah, not like let's continue sitting on this daybed and like making out in front of strangers. Steal cameraman. Right. So I kept expecting them to transition. I was wondering if they weren't allowed because something really weird was happening. There was kind of like a makeout pad, like a very large cushion.

That was gross. Three couples were like lined up like back to. back to back. Yeah, they all seem like they were on drugs. They called themselves the sexy six. Okay, so it was Lace and Grant. Yes. Josh and Amanda.

Yep. And who was the third? Izzy and Vinny. And Vinny. Sexy sex guys. I thought it looked like a... And it was in broad daylight, mind you. Yeah, it seemed like a couch you would see at like a music festival where like all

six of them are rolling. You're like, Jesus, like those people are in their own world. Like, just let them be over there. I was wondering why they all agreed to like be a part of the sex. situation. It also was just like if you're making out and you're really enjoying it, like, how long do you want to do that before you start doing other stuff? Like, not that long. Not that long. And they were not like, they glued to the cushion or something? I don't get it. Maybe you'll get like sexy six like t-shirts or something. It's a branding thing. It's a branding opportunity for all

of them. I'm like like face palming right now because it made me so uncomfortable. I was just like, what's happening here? It reminded me of like kids who think like all they do is like make out and they want like everyone else to know what's happening so they do it like near each other. It was just so weird. It was weird. And meanwhile, Josh is moaning while making out with people like. Loudly. Like inches away from him.

Yeah. It was awful. So does this mean you guys are down on Josh Murray officially? Yes. Josh has a crazy speech pattern. Um, he also has a crazy sweat problem. Yeah, he does. He was sweating profusely, which I actually remember from his finale.

He was also sweating profusely when he proposed to Andy. Uh, but it was. really very stark because clearly when he does his stand-ups like talking to the camera he gets like really patted down no sweat at all and then when they catch him like in the wild like talking to someone or whatever he's just drenched he's dumping he's drenched did he in andy's season love god that much um he keeps bringing up god a lot i don't remember so probably not i just probably not in his season he loved his brother erin yes he was just like basically talking about how his life revolved around his brother erin's football career it was the

opposite of Jordan and Aaron Rogers. Yes. Do you guys think Izzy's Jewish? Why now? Sorry, you bored at this Josh conversation? No, it's just the God thing made me think like are any of them Jewish and like maybe

Izzy's Jewish. Is he's the only potential. Yeah, I think she's Jewish. Well, we'll try to find out her last name by the end of this podcast. So we have a lot of Amanda and Josh and Amanda just seems really into him for I don't know why. She seemed to believe his stories about Andy Dorfman being wrong.

and like whatever. And meanwhile, Nick is getting like the total sympathy at it. They're playing sad music beneath him. Yes. And they want you to really like

to side with him. That was interesting. Is this like sort of like he's does the producers feel they owed it to him because he's gotten a raw deal so many times in the show? Like why are we supposed to be rooting for Nick all of a sudden?

I think that Nick straight up like is a producer on the show. And I think he has been for years. I think he's in on all of this. So my theory was that when Caitlin, you'll remember the Caitlin Bristow, Sean stepped out of the limo it was like, oh, like this season has a knockoff Ryan Gosling in this season.

Like, of course that dude is going to win. And I think her connection with him was so obvious midway through that they're like, we need to do something to make this season interesting. In comes Nick. He's in on it. He knows he's just there to come in second and create like a fake storyline drama. So Nick's a producer on that season. And then he shows up in Paradise and he's like, don't worry.

You can like, you know, give me one tough episode. then give me a redemption episode. Like I'm in for anything. Just like make it end well for me. And I think it's going to end great for Nick. You think he'll get like a top prize? Oh, I think so. I think so.

Kayla, you think he's going to get Kayla? No, I don't. We think someone different. I actually know who Kayla ends up with. Do you guys know too? No, don't tell us. What do you guys think?

Well, in the previews, I think she was shown making out with Jared. Yeah. Oh, yes. And Josh Murray. Oh, with both of them? Josh Murray. No, maybe I'm wrong. He's right to me.

Josh Murray feels like he's like that one's over. Josh and Amanda just book it. Okay, so this is a thing that I used to always talk about with my former partner, David Chacobi. Our IP to our old podcast. When you pair up, when you basically just pair off for good, you got to leave paradise. I don't want you to stay. I don't want you to be lying on that mat every day, just moaning and making out. Like you should have like three days together and then you have to leave or you need to break up.

Like I just don't want couples in paradise. is not that fun. Jade and Tanner were not fun. No, they weren't fun. They just like sequestered themselves in like the pool corner and just hung out. They just, like, are we supposed to wait for these two to break up? Like, it's just, it's not long enough of a season to like really make me care enough about these people. So you should graduate if you find love. I want to keep Josh or I find Josh to be very intriguing. I think he's a new to you.

He's new to me. And that whole lion, his lion persona, I think it's great just for the TV show. Lying or lying? Lion. He did the roar thing. Do you remember that? No, I don't. He was like, like, some people are sheep and some people are lying.

Roar. Which was honestly, like, a pretty good line. Don't ever use that line. Don't use that line. But I think he's like, I enjoy him on this show. I'm having a good time with Josh Murray. I think he seems like legit, legitimately probably a bad guy. Oh, horrible guy.

It would be tough. That's the thing about a speech pattern. It'd be tough to speak and sound more disingenuous at all times than he does. I thought he would have been a good bachelor candidate, but now I know I was very wrong. The public also does not like him. There is a lot of outside stuff going on now. Like what? Well, there was a Twitter war right after the episode aired between Nick and Josh.

And then Andy got involved and tweeted Josh. She tweeted, I speak two languages, English and truth. Burn! Incredible. Oh, my God. And the notepad, everything. That was fantastic. Yeah.

That was just, oh my God. Andy Dorf is a queen. I love her. I do too. Today, Amanda Stanton came out with a blog. Oh, my God, a blog. A blog. What URL was it on?

It was an article I read. I didn't go to the exact blog. Oh, it was on Us Weekly. Obviously, this is where I get all my... Not your favorite. Yeah, not your favorite. Well, I'm just saying that Us Weekly is like in the tank for the show. It's a grain of salt.

It's like the almost like the official mouthpiece, you know? If the Bachelor was a dictatorship, this would be a loyalist newspaper. Nice. I'd screwed it. Yeah, of course. Amanda stuck up for Josh. Of course she did. She's been getting a lot of hate too, I guess.

Why is she introducing this guy to her daughters? Not okay. Not okay. I've been down on what Amanda's doing regarding her daughters for a long time. Yeah, like not spending time with them. Not spending time with them ever. And the way she dresses them and the way she like photographs them and the way she dresses herself, I almost, like Evan, you'll notice he hasn't brought up his kids in weeks.

It's true. He hasn't. I respect that. Just like go in there and don't even pretend what. going on like you're there to hook like don't even worry about your kids Amanda she does everything under the guise of her children and like what's best for them and it's just so wrong she's wrong I don't appreciate I don't appreciate what she is doing to them I was always wary of her in paradise like it just didn't seem appropriate like she was the right person for it yeah yeah

she think three hours of paradise is too many hours in a week yes in terms of it being a commitment I do think it's too much I do what would you have cut from this week's offerings Oh, great question. Because I just would have cut all the Carly and Evan stuff. Like the pepper date. I didn't need it. That didn't make you laugh? I was also doing work and I was like, okay, I'm going to stop.

It made me uncomfortable. I was laughing the whole time. I was loving. I do like that Carly seems to have wizened up. I feel like she's had a real year of growth. She seems like a much cooler person than she was last year. So that's nice to see, I guess. I hope she finds someone.

I don't think she's going to. Me neither. She also said something, which is a real pet peepe of mine. So this new guy Brandon comes in at the end. he was on the same season as Des, her brother. And she was like, oh my God, that's so random. You were on the same season as my brother. And actually, it's the opposite of random.

It's complete likelihood that she would know someone who would know her brother there. Like, of course. Yeah. Do you know where you are? Yeah. It's like she obviously was uncomfortable, but I hate that. Like, oh my God, that's so random when it's the opposite of random. That's not what random means.

I like the Carly Evan thing because I really thought it was... Evan is the softest man to ever go. on this show. Wow, it's a bold claim. Who could possibly be softer? And the way they were making, it was just, I was, I was true, I rarely does Zabash will make me laugh. It makes me do a lot of things.

I don't really laugh that much. I was laughing out loud. I was laughing out loud. I felt bad for him. You did? He chose all this. I know, but he's just very out of touch and I feel like he's the butt of the joke and, like, really you're going to go after Amanda now.

Oh, she's making out of Josh. Incredible. Incredible choice. You know some producers like, I heard Amanda actually likes you. And he's like, really? Okay. No. You think so?

Let's just send him home. This isn't right for him. He needs to go home. This is not his face. I wish there could be a fan vote. I wish they did it in real time. So fans could be like a pity vote. Like let's just save this person.

I don't find this entertaining. Let's just get rid of him. Oh, save them. Save them from the show and send them home. Not save them from like give them a fan rose. No. I love the fan vote. Let's get them off.

Yeah. I think this actually would be a show well suited to real time, like Big Brother. Like that would be great. And also they should have like the extra footage online to watch it all times, which actually reminds me. Oh, that'd be amazing. We need to talk about Grant and Lace who crawled into bed together. Very naughty.

They assumed they were not on camera and then like after they had done something in bed, we don't know for sure. Touch a coitus. They realized it. Allegedly, that's a hypothesis from Sam. They were like, oh, fuck, there's a camera. which is like I guess that's what reality TV producers dream of. Yeah.

And so congratulations. Like the shirt or the blanket like fell off the camera. Yeah. Like are you kidding me? And then they turn around the shock like no way. No way the camera in our room caught us. Like what? Grant is one of the more attracted people to ever go on this show.

So it doesn't surprise me that he's. And he's a firefighter. You think that too? You don't think he looks like like the jaw is a little too square? It's square. Jets out a little too much. He's really handsome. But I can say like yes, he's a guy.

handsome. He has a good body. He seems to be decently level-headed, although he is with lace, so that makes me question. I did want to ask you, not that I'm asking too many questions, but I wanted to know who each of your favorite guy in paradise is. Ugh, I don't know. You have one rose to give out. One rose. To who's there now? To who's there now? If I can only give out one rose, I would give it to, that's really tough. I don't know. I think I might just go home. I would know. I guess I would give it. I would give it. I guess I'd give

it to Christian. If someone got out there and gave the rose to themselves, like, I have a rose to give up, but like, I am better than this and I believe in myself in the real world. Like, I'm giving the roast to myself and I'm going home. That would be power play. Yeah, I would go with Christian, I think. Okay. Juliet's going to be mad at who I'm going to say. Nick V? Yeah, give it to Nick. I'm just shocked. I'm not mad. I respect you for

sticking to it. I just, like, something about him really repulses me. Well, I give him a rose. now because out of all the guys, I think he's one of the more attractive ones there. But also, like, I want to see what other shit he's going to stir up. So as a producer, yeah. Wow, always thinking like a producer. Always, always producing. You're always on the jaw.

Always producing. I just can't get over the sex pad. Sorry, the makeout pad. It's not even for sex. It's just so gross. It's grimy. Everything that's happening with Josh Murray is grimy. That's the perfect word for it.

Yeah. He is handsome. He is. That's true. He's really handsome. Even in his sweating, I still think he's handsome. And I liked him,

personality-wise, on Andy's season, but the number one thing that turned me out from Josh, and I mentioned this last week, he did a trashy-e reality show. And I was like, oh, I thought he was better than that.

Yeah, I thought so, too. Okay. Thanks for listening this week, guys, and thanks for coming back, Emily and Sam. Of course. Anytime. Your faithful watchers,

I really appreciate it. This has been Bachelor Party. Don't we're going to check out the rest of Channel 33. Have a great weekend.