The Press Box - Ep. 177: 'Bachelor Party' With Juliet Litman

Episode Date: September 2, 2016

The Ringer's Juliet Litman is joined by 'AGW' associate producers Emily Collette and Sam Usher to discuss the groundbreaking news that Nick Viall is the new 'Bachelor.' Later they discuss 'Paradise,' including why the twins haven't done well and why Evan and Carly never talk about their kids. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And now, Bachelor Party. Welcome to Bachelor Party. I'm Juliet Litman. There was an earthquake in Bachelor Nation this week. Nick Viol, friend of the pod, is the new Bachelor. I'm just simply reeling. I can't believe it.

So I had to bring in my two pals, Sam Usher and Emily Colette to discuss it. Guys, what was your initial reaction? Emily, you first. So excited. A static. Ecstatic. You were a Nick fan. A Nick fan, but not on Andy's season, hated him. Caitlin's season hated him.

Paradise fell in love. Interesting. Okay. And you, Sam? I thought it was the perfect choice. Why do you think it was a perfect choice? Because the, so we all knew that, like, Joe, we talked about this, that you guys were like low on Jojo's dudes.

Low is like a highway putting it. Subterranean would be more appropriate. It's an understatement of the century. You guys were like dying to find a good bachelor, and they found the consummate bachelor. Right, because he keeps losing out on love. He is the definition of a bachelor. Nick is a two-time runner-up, so correct.

And then I guess he's not leaving Paradise with this Jen gal. Yeah, spoiler alert. That doesn't work out. That is a lame duck girlfriend. Jen from Bachelor in Paradise obviously needs to be cast on next season now. Like they need to go on the journey. Oh. I think that's a great idea.

Because we're not done with Jen. She's great. She's very pretty. She would get my Paradise Rose personally. She was on Ben's season, right? Correct. Ben has a thing against brunettes except for Jojo, in my opinion. He got rid of so many of them.

It was left of a ton of blondes, Kayla and Jojo. I mean, sorry, Kayla, Lauren, and Jojo. But he had one makeout with Jen, and it was steamy. I remember this because I remember thinking, like, oh, Jen's a player. She was really pretty. Yeah, she's really pretty. So I just think that Nick is going to breathe. This next season is going to be incredible.

I'm really excited about it because he's such a good talker, as I learned when he came here two weeks ago. He talks with, like, bullet points, which is important for The Bachelor. And he's a lot. He's like, he's as articulate as Ben, but not. not as sweet, which I think will be an interesting dynamic to see play out. Nick is definitely kind of like, he says what he thinks. I mean, he called Andy out on national television for having sex with him. Did you think he, how polished was he?

Nick? Yeah. Do you seem like a real person or did it seem like a TV personality coming into the room? He seemed like a real person. That's high praise. But definitely like aware of his television personality. He has excellent manners. I would say that's like my main Nick takeaway.

Very courteous. very fast responder to text. I really appreciate. I don't know. I just felt like he offered to get me a coffee. That's so nice. Did you get it? Did you take him up on it? No, I was already nursing one, but it was like a really nice offer. He's the guest. I should be getting him coffee. Yeah. I don't know. He was like a delightful human. As someone who already likes Nick, and I like him now, I didn't use to. But Emily, like, you already liked him. So you must be just like have very high expectations. Very high expectations. I think one of the great things about Nick is his commentary. Indeed. I'm worried. Yeah, sorry. Continue. He gives really great, like, commentary, like in between the segments. It's very funny.

It's very Carly-esque. I also think that's one of her strong suits is her commentary. Good narrator. Yeah, amazing narrator. I'm excited to see what he's wearing. Okay. His outfits are going to meet. I'm really glad you brought that up.

So as a contestant, you bring your own clothes. As The Bachelor, you work with the stylist. And I just, Nick is obviously very invested in style already. So I'm so curious, like, what kind of suit he's going to wear. Will all his shoes be on all these dates? Converse. You think he's going to go hard with cons? He was wearing Jordans when he came.

Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting. No, I think he's going to go hard with Converse. It's his own personal brand. I follow him on social media now. As do I. He does a lot of Jordans.

Not a lot of Converse. Maybe that was just his beach style. Maybe. That's like in Mexico. But I remember when he was with, like, Andy, and when he was with Kail and all that. It was Converse all the time. So maybe he's just thinks he's a new LA man, so maybe he thinks it's more. I'm not actually Jordan's guy, so I think he should go back to the, back to the conference.

That'd be a good move. I am really intrigued to see how they style him. Yeah, it's a great. He also knows the, he knows how the game is played fully, and he knows all the ins and outs of like a bachelor season and what the producers want and what they're looking for at any given moment, and he's game for everything, and he's so articulate that he could carry anything out. So I think that the season, like, whatever they want him, to do whatever storylines they want to create, he's going to be able to do it to a T.

I'm worried he's going to be less candid as the lead man. I was thinking that maybe a leading man narrator is going to be a great thing to have. We've never had a bachelor like Nick. We really have not. They're usually like really nice or really boring. Brad Womack was probably, Eric Wom Pablo as well, were like controversial. But they weren't smart. Nick is not, is no dumb. Do you think it's controversial? Yeah. At this point. Yes, I do. People are like. Like, whoa, Nick, I guess because it's shocking. I don't know.

I don't know if everyone who watches Bachelor and Bachelorette also watches Paradise. So I'm not sure everyone's been won over by him, you know? Paradise is on a role, though. In general, you think? In general. All right, let's talk about Paradise. In the pop culture, though, I think Paradise is gaining steam. This season is not as good as last season, in my opinion.

Oh, wow. Wow. You would hurt, Sam. Stunned. I thought, I thought, this is a hot team. but I thought that Monday night's two-hour episode was the best two hours of Bachelor content in years. Oh my god, what was the highlight for you?

By the way, that's wrong. Everything with Caitlin's season with her having sex with Nick. Oh, Caitlin's season. Okay, here's the difference between Paradise and something like that. So like Caitlin's season, take even the episode where she had sex with Nick. That was so great.

But that's a two-person drama dragged out over the course of two hours, and at some point it gets old. Like, in somewhere in the two hours, you're like, oh God, I can only see so many shots of Caitlin on a balcony saying, like, what have I done? Like, I wanted, or like, you can only see so much of that.

Whereas in Paradise, you have, in a given to our episode, five different couples, and you're just boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, there's no drags except for, like, Jared and Ashley a little bit. Pretty much you're just moving. You're moving so much faster. I guess that's true, but I just feel like these people are dead. I hate Jared and I hate Kayla. Thank you.

Yes. I wish Kayla had been the Batsarach. She's so freaking weird. It would have been a really weird season. But Jared is not cool. I just don't get it. What's the big deal about Jared? I don't get it.

And don't nice guys finish last? Yeah. What's going on? I don't know. It's like some weird inverse world where the nice guy Jared is like number one. But if you're interested in Jared, like Ashley, move to Boston. There's like hundreds of Jared's in Boston.

I think Jared has helped a lot by the existence of Ashley because she is the ultimate height man. Yeah. Like if I walked around and the whole time everywhere we might be like and Sammy is just. just the greatest, and you started crying as you were telling people like, Sam is the funniest and nicest, and I wish that I could find.

Then, like, yeah, other people would be like, damn, Sam's pretty tight. If you pay me money, I'll do that for you. How much of like $1,000? I would pay you $1,000 for the rest of the year if you would do that for me. I'm interested in every other salary check I get. I'm interested in conducting a science experiment

where I have like two people, one of whom has seen Ashley on the show and had them, like, an appraisal of her and her personality, and one who's never heard her speak and, like, see what they say about her, because I think she's, like, really beautiful, and she's that good style, like, just, like, very pretty. But her personality is so, so bad. It's not even bad. She's just, like, it's crazy and strong that I think as soon she starts talking, like, you can't take her seriously anymore.

That's why she went on dates with, like, she went on a date with Daniel. She, and last season she went on a date with Jared, because, like, yeah, she's beautiful. Yeah. But once they get to know her, it's too much. It's too much for a friend. As a guy, her traits are also the least desirable traits in someone you're dating. Like lunatic, clingy, crying all the time. Clingy doesn't even.

Obsessed with another guy? It's pretty crazy. Like, why would anyone ever willingly enter into that situation? I'm not sure why she went back on the show. It couldn't have been really for Jared unless she's that crazy. But I think some of it's an act. It's got to be. Well, a lot of them get, like they have to stay in the zeitgeist to keep doing those Instagram ads and do the promotional things.

It's her livelihood. Yeah, currently it's her livelihood. So for the same reasons I think Carly went back to Evan to stick around. Oh, yeah. So she could do all those like gummy bear hair ads that I see on her Instagram. What's Carly's worst endorsement, do you think? Oh, man. Um, the gummy, these gummies that you can eat, they're teal and they're supposed to make your hair better.

What? That's her worst endorsement. That's worse than the tummy tea or whatever it's called. Worse than tummy tea, yeah. What's the tummy tea? Fit, fit tea? No, it is tummy tea. Jade does it as well.

Yes. They also all rock the, like, the diff eyewear. Yeah, that's Jojo's brand. That's Joe's big thing right now. All of them, all of them have been wearing diff eyewear for a long time now. That's just like they all sponsored the Bachelor crew in mass. I just have a question. How much are you guys keeping up with Jordan and Jojo? Personally, a hard zero.

Really? Yeah. Well, we talked about Jordan's been doing a good job for the SEC network. Are you watching? No. But I assume he's doing a good job. That's really nice to you. You know I'm not here for Jordan.

Just based on what I saw on The Bachelor, I think he's been doing an incredible job breaking down like the SEC West. Okay. That's really nice of you to give him that credit. What about you, Emily? Well, the Ben and Lauren. to switch a little, the Ben and Lauren trailer came out this week? Emily, I'm so glad you brought up this show. Let me tell you a little bit more about it.

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Okay. Probably just started filming. Yes. It was just little snippets, you know, Lauren cleaning the toilet. them going grocery shopping, just living their everyday lives. I don't clean the toilet in my everyday life, do you? No. So is Ben putting her to work?

What's going on here? A little, I don't, yeah, I'm not sure. I have not been keeping up with them partially because it's too painful because I love Ben so much and I'm jealous of Lauren. But Jojo and Jordan, I'm just so curious when they're going to break up that I, like, am really watching them closely. They're not breaking up. There's a lot of them in bed together.

A lot of them, like, just, hanging out. Really? Yeah, seems pretty post-coidal. Where? On Snapchat or something? Yeah, on her Snapchat. They're in the honeymoon phase. Oh, tight.

Yeah. They're both good-looking people. Oh, totally. I think she's, like, really gorgeous. And Nick said he thought she was the most pretty- prettiest bachelorette ever. I would have to agree with Nick. Really? I still go Andy over Jojo.

She's just my kind of gal. I think it goes Jojo, Caitlin, Andy. Wow. I go Andy, Jojo, Emily Maynard. Emily Maynard was beautiful. Yeah. Such a sad story, but so beautiful. Yeah, anyway. I can keep me up with them a lot. But a lot of these people, once they're off the show, like, they're just dead to me. So that's what you're right back to your point. They keep going on Paradise because they need to stay relevant.

Can I give you a hot piece of Instagram info that I found? I would love that. I'm always bringing hot Instagram info. Jared, post Paradise, has gone on vacation with the following crew. So this is Post Paradise. I carry a lot of picks, by the way. People should go, look at them. It's Jared. It's Tanner. Okay. It's Jade. Okay.

It's Ashley I. Oh, my goodness. And Ashley I's sister. So it's the crew from last year. They're still tight. Correct. Yep. Post Paradise.

Post all these tears. Was that a paid vacation that they went on? Probably. Yes. But still. I saw those pictures as well. Yeah. I'm sure it was a paid vacation, but...

Lauren I is her name. Yeah, for the amount of acrimony that there's been on Paradise and the amount of distrust bred between. Ashley and Jared on TV at least. Like, Jared would definitely go home and see this and be like, wow, this girl is... I think he's aware already. So then why would he go on vacation with her? I don't know.

Obviously, there's friends. These are false red flags for me. There's something we don't get about Jared. He might be a robot. I don't know. It's just so strange. Did you see them on After Paradise? No.

It was interesting because he... Kayla was upset, obviously, about... They dated six weeks after Jared and Kayla. Right. And then Kayla kind of, you know, said that Ashley got in the way of their relationship. Fair enough. So they ended it. And then Ashley came out and she was like, yeah, I'm like totally over Jared and had this huge smile on her face.

That can't be true. Something seemed weird. I don't believe it to me. Maybe they finally had sex and didn't go well. Probably didn't because it was her first time. But probably really tender. Is that a credit to Jared? Yeah.

It's just the first times in general. So Jared and Ashley can't be why you thought this episode was so good. No, it was not why. So first of all, I think that the Josh Nick thing, that's just primetime TV as far as I'm concerned. So basically what happened was Nick was sort of poisoning the well against Josh. Well, first... And it got back to Josh, and then Nick and Josh had a fight. First, Nick was just looking to get it in a little bit with Jen.

They were just looking to go to bed. I think someone called it the Boom Boom Room. Yeah. Well, first of all, there's not enough boom boom rooms in Paradise, it seems like. Sure. I think that's not a strategy on most reality TV shows so that it forces you to do it where their cameras are out. Right. You can't just like spend all day in the boom room. Yes. So Nick and Jen wanted to claim the boom boom room for a hot second. Fair enough. Like let a brother go to the boom room. Josh. Can you stop calling it that? It was literally called out on the show.

I know. Do we have to call it that? I don't know. We can call it the sex house. All right. The sex house. Carry on. The fantasy suite. And Josh took Umbridge and, like, like peacocked him basically, which I... That's Nick's word. That's how he describes Josh repeatedly as like a peacock or peacocking. So Nick incepted me. Yeah, Nick intercepted me. And I think a lot of these guys incest me.

That's alarming for your future, but carry on. That's a different pod. That's its own thing. That's like a therapy pod. But I honestly really appreciate it because it seemed like real genuine tension between two people who have spent way too much time around each other recently. Yeah. And they really, like, just couldn't hold it in any further.

Yeah, and it was like, it was a little thing. And, like, I kind of get on both sides why they would flare up in that moment. It just, it felt very real. I agree with that. I also think that Nick is pretty cunning. And I think he knew, like, if he just pushed Josh a little bit, like, the volcano would explode. And that's what he did. Like, and then he just created a storyline for himself and for Josh.

And it was really quite smart because now here we are talking about him. I mean, this is Nick's week. I don't think it gets any better for The Bachelor than the run-up to their story. season because as you're on screen that much, all you can do is go down. Like, there's just very hard to improve over the life of a bachelor season. Don't underestimate Nick. Nick, Vial. You've learned. I guess. Now I know who to say his name. He's a masterful storyteller. He really is. But anyway, I think that he just sort of came to the show wanting to air some grievances against Josh and against Andy and like he saw his moment and he seized on it. And the

twins, quite frankly, were pawns in his game. You could argue the flip side. So if you go to the transcript, the twins approached Nick, and they said, we have concerns about Josh, what do you think? And Nick obviously was like,

yeah, I agree, Josh sucks. And then the twins went to Amanda in full tears, and they didn't cop to themselves thinking anything was wrong with Josh. They're like, there are people in the house who have it. for you.

The most alarming thing that Amanda said this week is that the twins were her best friends. And I was like, did you have friends before you went on this show? How are they your best friends already? Hasn't been that long? Maybe she has a lot of best friends. Maybe, but then is anyone truly your best friend? No, she's playing the best friend card wrong.

She really is. She should have said that her daughters are her best friends. Twins are in an all-time low. Well, we know she doesn't ever think about her daughters because she's on the show. So I'm not surprised she didn't say that. The twins, can we talk about the twins? I would love to.

Why didn't Paradise work for them? They are beautiful. They're funny. They have a certain sense of humor. They dress cute. I just don't. The one gal who went on the Bruce Cruise, she had a great time last week.

Yeah, what happened with that? Why didn't she pick Carl? I think that it was just, I think that once again, they have the bad personalities. But everyone seems to love them as people, just not as sexual people. Nick is friends with them, Amanda's best friends with them.

If you come in a package deal, that's kind of damning about who you are, I think. Like, they can't be individuals. And the rule of, like, if one gets a rose and they both get to stay, I think ultimately hurt them because it's like they can't, they can't seek one-on-one relationships, even friendships. Like, it has to be like two or nothing at all times. Yeah, they're the honey-dew of the Paradise Fruit salad.

They're filler fruit. They're filler fruit. I really like honey-due. I disagree. Cantalope. Like cantalope as well. You don't like melons? I just find it to be filler fruit if you get in a fruit salad.

I'm not here for pineapple. The true filler fruit of fruit salad is grapes. Grapes do not belong in a fruit salad, and when they come, it's just wrong. Oh, boy. I appreciate it if it's like a cold, crisp grape. Even if it's in a fruit salad, I love a cold crisp grape. Do you get a lot of Starbucks fruit salads? No, I don't get food from Starbucks.

Okay, because they do that a lot, and I was worried if you were, like, conditioned by Starbucks or something. No, no, no. I stray from the food there. Man, sometimes a parfait, honestly. Okay. I like pineapple, too, but, like, these are all top. These are all second tier fruits, in my opinion. Yeah, I agree.

They can be pineapple. But I think that there's just no, like, they're fun to have around and they facilitate. Because imagine if everyone was in a couple and everyone was hooking up, that would be kind of awkward. Yeah, that's like what happened last season is everyone coupled up. Yeah, then it's kind of dead. The thing that I really liked last season was like the crashing pain that Carly felt when she was dumped by Kirk. Oh, boy. I'm gonna get that this time, I don't think.

There's no dramatic breakups. Jen and Nick was shown crying in the preview. Weeping. I don't know, guys. I just don't know if Nick feels that deeply. I just don't know. Like, for him to be weeping and for it to be real, he has to, like, really, like. It might be more about getting dumped on TV for the third time.

That's true. That might be what the tears are. God, if he gets dumped, if she dumped him? Holy Toledo, that didn't even occur to me. Yeah, I just assumed TV dumping her. Me too. That didn't even occur to me that she could say no. No, because Amanda wrote on Twitter a fourth time.

charm. Oh, shit. But still, that could still be, God, I hope she dumps him. That would be such good TV. One question I have about Nick, his bachelor's, he's 35 years old. Almost 36. Overseason. Almost 36. Will they cast older women? That's what I'm dying to know. Because literally when he, I think he says on the podcast that the twins are off the table, they're 23. Like that's like too young for him. And Ben's season, the girls were really young. So are they going to cast women that are in between the ages of 20, and 35 or they just have to stick to like the 21 to 28 range they're not going to cast someone who's 21 if that makes him uncomfortable I also don't think they're going to cast up to 35 year olds

I just feel like oh that would be like getting Claire Corolley to come back but isn't she ain't terrell owens really good for her I think she is she's pretty yeah I like her yeah what about 10ly what about 10ly a lot oh good for them 10ly and I think 10ly and Nick hooked up before his That was rumored by Reality Steve last year. She's cute. Tenly is really cute. I think it's going to be a be be be bevy of 30-year-olds. No, I think it's going to be 28, 27, 27, and 29.

I think that's about right, late 20s, basically. 30s is off-brand for The Bachelor. Because then they can't go on paradise. I mean, it just kind of ruins the franchise. Yeah, it does ruin the farm system, basically. You're right. Nick is yanking us up in the demographics. He's legitimizing us.

I kind of feel like Nick is, um, the most like an unreal character we can get as Bachelor, like willing to be manipulated by the producer. We know, I think he's a producer on the show. And I think he has been for years. I don't think that's correct, based on my interaction with him. I feel like I'm like talking like I know everything about him. Oh, yeah, of course.

You mean Nick? Nick, my best friend. I mean, he offered to bring me coffee. Like we're really tight. No, but I don't think he's a producer. But like, once you are in this world, he's now been in it for so long, you know the personnel.

He's tight with everyone. So I'm sure they're probably happy that it's him opposed to like someone like Luke. And let's talk about that now. So it was supposed to be Luke as The Bachelor. And it came out today. Yeah, tell us about the story. Yeah, tell us about the story. That his bags are packed.

He had a plane. My bags are packed. Ready to go. Beautiful. No. No. Leaving on a jet plane. Oh.

I'm leaving on a jet plane. That one. That one. ready to leave on a jet plane. He had his ticket booked for Monday morning. His bags were packed. He said he had already been to wardrobe, and they had styled him.

They had already planned certain dates. His sister was going to come in and do a whole date with them. And he was flabbergasted when he got the call Sunday night. Wow. So it really was, like with 24 hours notice, they announced it. Can I hate you with a cynical view on that one? Yeah. Yes.

Because they always say it's stuff. Like they did the same thing to Kayla, theoretically. with Jojo where like Kayla had begun shooting or whatever. I do think that happened. But couldn't they be lying about all that to create Luke as a future more sympathetic character? I heard that Nick didn't know when he was here two weeks ago that he was going to be The Bachelor.

And I asked him about it. And apparently it was not even in the works yet. That's what I heard. I believe that because the good well for Nick has been building. And I think someone probably finally said, like, hey, guys, look at this. Like, people love Nick now.

I mean, it's true. He's kind of like the mouthpiece, as you pointed out, of Paradise. And it's like, he also, because he's been around the show for so long, it seems like wise. And he knows what's up. And he's really worked on his bod. He really has.

He's a great argument for dudes getting buff. You know who I think is going to show a buff next time? Who? Daniel? Wells. No, Daniel's already so buff. I think Wells, next time we see Wells, there's going to be a little more meat on those bones.

I don't think so. But I don't think so. But I bet Wells is killing it with women now. I just feel like he's killing it. He's very charming. Oh, yeah. He's kind of a good personality. Also, he definitely seemed more fun and loose on Paradise than he did on Jojo season.

I noticed, though, he went into the second girl that he made out with, because he's made out with three now. The second one, when he went into kiss her in the, I don't know if he was cold or something, his hand was trembling. Trembling. I saw trembling hands as he, like, went to grab her face. To Jamie? To Jamie.

I always liked Jamie. I always liked Jamie. I was wanting to know more about her. I'm glad she was on the show. She's getting a rough draw here. Yeah, but I feel like it's not going to work out for her. No. Not really particularly flattering portrait of her,

but I'm just glad to see her again. You want to know one other thing I wanted to discuss? Yes. Evan's boners. Oh, my God. His series of boners. It's so classic. The erectile dysfunction guy can't control his boners.

I mean, does it get any more ridiculous than that? So do you think that he is hopped up on his own? Like, do you think he used to be having issues getting boners, and then took a lot of his own men. medications and now he's the king of boners? Or do you think he's naturally the king of boners? And he was like, I don't understand why other guys can't have boners. I'm going to help.

Great questions by you, Sam. I think that he probably, just really into Carly. No, I have no idea. It's good promotion for his business. Oh, incredible. He's also kind of shame, like if I, he's gets a lot of boners. But they put a black bar over his, and if we remember Ben and Jojo. Oh, we saw that.

black bar for Ben. There was no black bar for Ben. No. Not at all. No, the black bar I took as part of the campy side of the chase. Yeah. I think that maybe he used to have erectile dysfunction. Why else go into the fields?

Right. So now he's just like way hopped up on his own medicines. Or something. Or just really into Carly, which I guess is beautiful. Good for them. I think that relationship is a farce. Definitely fake. It's so fake.

She's interesting. She definitely seems like she's still like getting over what happened to her last year and like is like a toughened heart. And she needs someone to be. to like really win her over. Let's get her in like some kind of a Nicholas Sparks movie. Oh yeah. Where she's, her heart used to be melted. No, but too.

Evan continues to not bring up his kids. I know. Although I kind of prefer that to Amanda who like uses her kids as props. Evan is just like, I'm here for the show and that's I'm Evan Mr. Bachelor right now. I'm not Evan here. But that is one of the weird parts about Amanda's relationship with Josh and Evan and Carlin. is that like now that they're both getting into the more serious, we're getting towards a finish line where you're like talking about like, I can't wait to be with you in the real world, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The kids got to come up at some point. Yeah, I know. Like Evan, I'm like, I love you so much and like I am ready to be a mother to three boys. He said three kids? I think he has three boys. Yeah, I think he has three. And Claire and what's her face, Amanda has too. They haven't known each other that long. So like they've been on the show five weeks now. It's the twin said, right? So they've one more week to go.

Yeah. It's not like, you know, I don't imagine Evan's, like, bringing up his kids, like, right away. I guess it is, like, a compact schedule. No, but, like, now that you're at the end, don't you think... There's a ring involved. Yeah. I hope she doesn't accept it. Every time I see Carly, just from last year, remember her singing,

A Rose is Not a Rose until he gets down to propose. And, like, that should just be, like, the theme song of this show. Do you remember when she sang that? Of course. She was so certain she was going to get the Rose. It was sad. That was a really sad episode. I loved it.

Unfortunately, I loved it because I'm the sadist. Real emotions. Yeah. That's why we watched the show. Real emotions. And that actually is really missing from the season, except for with Lace and Grant. They drive each other crazy. Too many emotions.

I love Lace and Grant. They both seem insane. Laces. You didn't see insane? Lace is unhinged. Yes. To be, yes, I think Grant. To be with her.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's insane, but he, when I was watching back today, like, he calls her on her bullshit. He does. Which is great, and he's so patient with her. But, again, like he is insane because he's with her. She's like not a human. It's sort of like if she was like taken from bars

and like dropped here like 10 years ago, and she's still catching on. And her false eyelashes end up sticking together and it just looks like a mask. Like I just wanna take them off. She should not drink. Like let's just send it out there. She should be doing water.

Yeah. It should be a water trip for her. I think she seems really nice though. That's kind of the sad thing about her. She seems super sweet. And she's pretty. She's like can't help herself. I also think,

Grant's face, I realize what I think his face looks like. What? One of the snoods. Oh. If you go on to Google, you don't have to do it right now. You can do it later. Thanks. But.

I love when you give me permission to, like, not do stuff. You don't have to do it right now at your leisure. I don't actually say leisure like that. It's like when someone says, like, I'm trying to be mature. Emily, where are you at with all these guys cut off jeans, all their jorts? Honestly, Nick was walking to a rose ceremony with white jorts. Oh, yeah. And I love them.

You do? Yes. I think it was white, jorts, jean, Oh my God. Get a button down. Yes. You're so in the tank for Nick. He looks phenomenal.

I can't believe it. I know a lot of women who like want to try out to be on his season. Me too. Should we try to get you on? I wanted Sam to be on. Sam should be on for next season. Wait. Oh, so you don't want to be on,

but you know a lot of people who want to try out for Nick. Is it because we know Nick better that people are more eager? They think they know what they're getting? In reality shows. He's very sexual. Very sexual. And in reality shows, if there's a character that you fall from season to season, which I think is why MTV's The Challenge is so popular,

because I've been following Johnny Bananas for 10-plus years. You like them more. Right. It's like a friend. Yeah, they're your best friends. It's interesting. I wonder if they're going to get more applicants than they would have because people know Nick and are obsessed with him.

I think they're going to get crazy girls. Were you always into Nick or is this new for you? New for me. Okay, just making sure. Is it related to when he got buff? Yes. I kind of liked him better before. I went back and looked at some pictures.

His face was goofier, but I preferred his body before. You're going to have all these girls who show up. The beard and he did the short on the size long on top. I was wondering how they're going to style his hair. Well, they let that fly because his hair kind of reminded me of my hair where the ends were obviously dead. Like you should cut it. In Paradise? No, like when he came to here.

Oh, wow. They'll shape. They'll keep it like long and cool. curly on top, short on the sides. He'll look great. But when people show up on The Bachelor, they're always like, yeah, like you're so cute from normally when it's like, oh, I saw you on Caitlin's season.

Like, you were so sweet. But these girls are going to show up and like, I've known you for years. And I think it's going to make them also extra obsessed with him. You know I'm always looking for The Bachelor to make the girls frothing from the mouth. He's going to have these girls frothing from the mouth pre-stepping out of the limo.

Like they know him so well. Important question. Of the 25 or so women, who who will be trying out for his heart. How many will he sleep with? Oh. Because he has a track. He's sexually active.

Yeah, he is. A 35-year-old attractive male. There's nothing wrong with that. Seriously. Nothing wrong. No. I'm going to give him over under, I'm going to set it in two and a half. Two and a half.

Are we? I was going to say three. Because that's the fantasy. That's what I think. Three. I mean, maybe four, a wild card. I think probably just like that. Like an ocean, an ocean, quitus?

Yes. something like that or who knows things get wild in Ireland again they should go back to Ireland just to see what happens yeah I think they should another whiskey date yeah I think three is probably the number there right he's gonna have an amazing time I'm jealous of the experience he's gonna have everyone just loves Nick now he's just like and that's such a triumph we were talking about this it's a triumph for the producers of the show the way they have built the Nick Viall character arc over the years is just to a T's be perfect. Standing ovation for the producers. It's true. It's like really a culmination of their

efforts for several years. Yeah, they took a likable guy, made him a villain, brought him back in like an unexpected way. Made him a villain again. A pseudo villain, but then became like a little bit redemptive when he got broken up for the second time. I don't think so though, because Sean hated him so much. Like America like Sean. It's interesting that the people he's in the house with always turn on him. Like he just, I think, is really snide and doesn't hold it back. Right. Which will make him a good bachelor and why he's going to. on a reality TV. So then they took this like damaged goods character, sent him to paradise, put in Josh Murray, so give him like a foil and that makes him look better,

and now you've created like a reality star god. To some. One thing I'm excited about with Nick is that he is kind of hipster. We've never really had, he's not actually because he's from Milwaukee and like... Have we never had a hipster? Jeff with one F on Emily season was kind of hipstery, but he wasn't The Bachelor. I'm excited to have like kind of like a non- like football playing looking guy. I remember when Jeff with one F was on the show. I saw him at the bungalow like two weeks after the show was over and he was clearly like already doing his own thing. It's like inexplicable. I don't know why because he's just really not not usually the type of male I'm interested in but I was obsessed with Jeff with one F like I just was obsessed with

him yeah I kind of get it I don't know why I'm like embarrassed by it now but even thinking about him like makes me feel coy I'm just like oh Jeff and one F one F one's one's one's one he up to. He was funny. He was charming. He could do Paradise next season. Um, I've heard he's really weird. Not surprising. Even more reason that he should do Paradise next season. It's really bizarre that he won. Emily Maynard, like her husband now is not like Jeff at all. No, he was the wrong choice. Totally. For kids. Remember Ari? Of course. He was season. He was cool. He would be great to get back in the mix too. Well, he was supposed to be, he was in the running for the bachelor last season and didn't get it. Yeah. He would have been good. He should go to

paradise. He'd be great there. He should definitely go to paradise. And apparently, Anyone can go now. Like, it doesn't matter how long ago you were on the show. And that's the great thing about Paradise. Yeah. Now that they're starting, they're accepting that you can just pick from the larger pool. Yeah. Everyone who comes to paradise, it's now turning into true All-Stars.

It's an All-Star show. I do hope the Twins come back next season, though. Oh, they'll be back. They punch their tickets. I'm hoping Daniel has a ticket punched. I like Daniel a lot. Seems like the producers do too. They really softened him up for us.

Big time. And I think all the other housemates, like, really liked him. Yeah, he was like a fun person to have around. I have one question for you guys, and I asked last time, I'm just curious where your heads are at now. Who, you guys walk into Paradise right now with the date card, who gets the date? Current Paradise.

Current Crop. They have to be in the house, in the pool. Wells? Okay. Wells for me. He seems the most normal. Also, I actually, I guess Daniel would be my second. Really?

He's not there anymore. He's not there anymore, but that's interesting. You're going for like the normal, like, normal funny guy. Normal. Yeah, you don't need, like, you know which one seems like a dud? Who? I don't even know what is named. Carl.

Carl. Carl and Brett. Well, Carl's not. I like bread. Two too many hairdressers going on in paradise. Ryan. Ryan seemed like a dud too. Who's Ryan?

Ryan went on that one date with Haley. Oh, yeah, he sucked. Yeah. Oh, the sober fox. So many. Yes. Mute guys. Like, they just don't speak.

It's awful. I like Brett. I actually think that Brett can be back next year in a larger role. I was looking back. I would recast him. Wow. Yeah. I think there's something there. Every time that they talk to him... I love lamp is pretty good.

It is good. It is a good sense of humor if he, like, brought the lamp back. Every time he's on screen, he's doing something funny, and I think that there's more to mind there. I would keep drilling. Wow. Wow, Sam. How insightful of you. Thank you. Oh, we got one episode, or one week of Paradise left. Any big predictions? Do you get anyone still together?

Yes. I think Carly and Evan Foe get engaged, but are not. together now. No, that won't last. Sam? Well, I feel like we kind of already know. This is a little bit the disappointing thing about. We do know. You're right. We kind of know everything that's going to happen next week. Josh and Amanda still kind of together. Yeah, they are. They were on the cover of Us Weekly last week. They've moved in together. No, they're fully together. It's very inappropriate. She's a mom. I think great. He has anger problems. I think Grant and Lace are still together. They like are posting Instagram posts about each other. Like, you're the one who cured me, whatever, to this day.

So I think they're still together. Carly and Evan, I guess it's a wildcard, but you know the episode's going to end and they're going to be together, quote, unquote. So the real drama just comes down to Jen and Nick. And we know what that's going to happen, but it'll just be interesting to see how we get there. If Jen's not a contestant on night one of his season,

doesn't miss opportunity by this franchise. It's such a good call. They've got to do it. They just have to. Agreed. All right. Thanks to Sam and Emily. Thanks to Freeform, Ben and Lauren,

for sponsoring this week's podcast. Thanks to all of you for listening. Congratulations to Nick. I'm just really looking forward to his season now. We won't get it until January, but we know it's coming. Once again, thanks to Freeform for sponsoring today's episode. Don't miss the new reality series because I won't. Ben and Lauren happily ever after?

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