The Press Box - Ep. 192: Jam Session With Bill Simmons

Episode Date: October 6, 2016

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins are joined by Bill Simmons to discuss Kim Kardashian's heist (5:00), Mila Kunis's universal likability (12:00), and pop star Shawn Mendes's upside (17:00). Then, Juliet and Amanda break down Brangelina's split (27:00) and the return of 'Gilmore Girls' (36:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins. Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliet Litman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. Very special guest today. The one and only Bill Simmons. Hi, guys. Hi, Bill. Hi, ladies. How are you? This is my daughter's favorite podcast, so I have to do it came in. But I'm just, people love this podcast,

so I'm just, I'm here to sit some picks. Do your thing. Okay. Okay. Great. Well, extremely large celebrity news this week, Kim Kardashian was robbed at gunpoint in Paris. And I'm happy to report that we have like a very special report from the font lines in the sense that Juliet Litman, where were you? I was in Paris that night.

You were in Paris the night that Kim Kardashian was robbed. That's true? Yes. Jam session international. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I was so close to the scene of the crime. Why are you wearing a $1 million diamond necklace? All of my jewels are shining so brightly right now.

But do you actually know the ring that was stolen? Her engagement ring got stolen, right? It was a new ring that Kanye gave her. It was like a very large, like rectangular diamond. I don't like that ring. And doesn't it have the Adidas logo in the diamond? Yeah, I think so. Because it was meant to celebrate his fashion deal with Adidas.

How do you sell that on the black market? Right. That's my question with the jewelry. How do you sell it? Apparently, I've been reading a lot about black market jewelry sales. You can smash the diamond into smaller pieces. in a way that it's not traceable. But that's like, that's on the legitimate market.

People have been making the case that on the black market, really, anything goes. No one's asking questions. I mean, on the black market, the value is probably way higher if you keep it attacked, right? It's like, this is like the new, like, Le Cur de la Merre, you know, the heart of the ocean from Titanic. Yeah, that's very true. I still, I guess I don't really understand like the end game of the black market, generally. I don't really either. I love the black market.

I love the dark internet. I'm afraid to venture into any of those areas, but they sound so exciting. I mean, you know, I'm sure that I sound like an economics idiot right now, and I'm very sorry. But if you can never sell any of it, then how does it have value? It's just like a closed system that they're working in. I think what you said was right about breaking down the diamonds. Okay. I have a question.

Okay. Am I a bad person that my immediate reaction to the story was that they rigged it because they're their Kardashians? or are the Kardashians bad people because that was my reaction? I already thought they were bad people, so no argument for me there. I think a lot of people had that reaction that you did. It's just an instantaneous reaction, right? Like, oh, what's their endgame here? This is a great story for them and it'll make them the victims and all that.

But then I was like, who would do that? Even the most evil person on the earth wouldn't do that. I think it's a completely understandable instantaneous reaction. And then I think as soon as you read the part where she was tied up, Bound and gagged. And she was like, and she says, I was afraid I was going to be raped. Then that's when this becomes no longer. Right.

You don't, you have to be a legitimately evil person. But my instantaneous reaction was like, oh, come on, that didn't happen. And then the details start coming out like, oh, shit. Yeah. Plus, the real kicker is that she was completely like covered in like a drape as she was getting on her private plane, not wanting to be photographed. And as someone points out in our ring or slack, it's like the first time ever that Kim Kardashian didn't want to be photographed. So, you know, I think is very real. She went through something horrible.

I mean, how could you ever, like, be alone and ever again when that happens to you? Totally. And you have to imagine she just must be terrified because now they're prime targets. And, like, the details of it have been so publicized in a way that makes me think other thieves are like, okay, but now what can we do? She must be terrified. So I did a lot of Google deep diving on the bodyguard. Yeah. Who was out with her sisters that night?

And it's like, if I have a full-time bodyguard, why? And I'm in a foreign country. I would want my full-time bodyguard in my room with me. Is he her personal bodyguard? I don't know. He's the family's bodyguard. And my understanding is that they actually do trade bodyguards a fair amount, like that they have a family.

I think probably at this point, Pascal is detailed specifically to Kim. But I think that maybe they pay a family rate. I don't know. They're kind of on the show and reading things. There are kind of references like, oh, well, they took my security or XYZ. So I think that it is kind of interchangeable in a way that turns out to not be ideal. Haven't they seen Taken? Taken happening in Paris.

That movie scared me about Paris. I wouldn't want to be there with all my jewelry. Well, so follow up about Pascal, who is her bodyguard. The bodyguard. The worst bodyguard in a while. I mean, he's certainly fired, right? I hope so. The news just came out that he filed bankruptcy.

There was a bankruptcy last month. Like there were some issues going on with the security company. There's now the whole torrent of story. that say this was like an inside job that they think someone in the security detail like helped out the robbers. So a bank, this feels very night of, you know, like a bankruptcy situation. So I have a couple more questions. So she's obviously staying at a super nice hotel, right? Yeah, I looked into that. Well, okay. Yes. However, it's not like. Not like the Plaza Hotel. Exactly. Or the Four Seasons or whatever. She's staying in sort of a special

celebrity hotel that's called, what was it, the no name hotel? Like no address hotel? And it's It's essentially... I think it's Hotel de Portale. It's like a boutique, but not... But it's basically like an Airbnb on true steroids that caters to celebrities and like extremely rich people who want to be able to rent a whole apartment. Yeah, it's like a really...

It's like renting a condo for a week, basically. Leo uses this hotel. That's what I would do too. I'd rather stay there than at a hotel. I would judge all my hotel decisions by Leo uses this hotel. Okay. That's, to me, he vets everything. Right, but I think there is a concierge, because I was a little confused about this as well as all the information was coming out.

Also, the word hotel is used fast and loose in Paris. Yeah, that's true. Like a lot of things are hotel. Right, but then it could be really interesting. Julia, yeah, RF4 and Corpotted it. So, Julia, do you use a ski mask or did you just take, what was your plan? How many people are you with when you robbed her? It was a solo mission, just me, went and on my own.

Cat for Hercler style. in the window. I were all black. I watched Oceans 12 in advance to prepare. I was going to say, is this like a Thomas Crown Affair thing where you hired the whole bungling security team to like get on the cameras and make a big deal and you just like swooped in? I watched tons of heist movies all week.

And on my final evening on my vacation, I was like, I'm going to rob Kim Kardashian. That's what sounds fun. Where are you on the 1999 film, The Thomas Crowd Affair, starring Pierce Brosman? I'm not. You're not? I'm not on it. Have you ever seen it? I'm not positive I've ever seen it.

It's an essential jam session. I think you would like it. Yes. I think you would like it. Please don't watch it with your children. I'm sure you like Renee Russo. I did. Yes.

I did like her for a long time. She's good in this. Yeah. It's like... 1999 was such a good year for movies. I don't feel like I saw all the movies I needed to see from that year, as opposed to this year where there's like no good movies. I'm going to be honest and say that this is a very specific Amanda and Juliet opinion

and that there are other people in the world who do not think that the 1999 Thomas Crown Affair is a great work of cinema, but it checks a lot of our boxes. His highest movie takes place in a museum. Oh. Great close. I do think it's Brosnett at his peak. Definitely. A romance is ultimately more important than anything else in the movie.

Yeah. That's a big staple for you. Yeah, that's the most important thing for me. Romance has to be the most important narrative arc, even if it's not the only narrative arc. Except for my best friend's wedding where there was no romance at the end. I don't care for that movie that much. Oh, really? Because it's sad.

Davins and I love that one. Yeah, I think it's in my top five. Give me a happy ending. But I had a real moment with the sound show. track when I was like 12. Sure. That's when it came out and, you know, they do the Dionne Warwick song and then it was great. I like the opening song too.

Yeah, that's nice. Squeeze him and hug him. So my daughter was watching the Timberlake Milakunis movie. Friends of Benefits. Yeah, because a lot of these like TBS and we and all these different cable channels, the oxygen. Ovation. Yeah, no, it's a really great time. They show them they're all edited.

So it's actually like totally, I don't have to worry about, oh, is there some scene? Right. That movie's pretty good, and it really struck me that he's just not a good actor. Justin Timberlake. He's just not good. That movie actually should have been really good. Milakunis was all in. Like, she was really working it in that movie.

Has she ever been bad? Name one bad Milacuna. She's good in that movie. I bet she's bitter about that movie. Probably. That movie should have worked. That should have been the one Harry Met Sally for a generation. They got screwed by No Strings Attached.

Yeah. Yes. And also. Who was the guy? No strings attached, Natalie Portman. Ashton Gertr. Oh, right. Ashton.

And then you have Minnie Kaling. I don't know if I saw that one. What was that one? It was the same. It was a rival? Yeah. It was also a friend

with benefits movie that came out the same year. It's like the two prefontaines. Exactly. And like just imagine if you switched we could have gotten Mila and Ashton together so much sooner. That's so true. And a rom-com together, no less.

I mean, obviously it would have brought them together. Have you noticed Milakunis is one of like five female actions of the last 20 years that men and women equally like? It's such a rare thing. That's very true. Where the woman don't nitpick and the guys all, but sometimes it could swing the other way. And this time it's just everybody likes her.

I will say this. She's peak cool girl in the gone girl sense. Are you familiar with this phenomenon? What's that? So there's this passage of the book, The Gone Girl, but it's about the cool girl. And she's the one who like hangs out with the guys and drinks beer. And it's like, I don't mind that you go out.

It's her Sarah Marshall character. Yeah. And I find Milakuna's very charming. And I liked it when she yelled at that reporter in, Russian. She has some cool girl vibes. She's playing, I think she's courting both sides. Oh, the courting.

Yeah. Yeah. So who's the next? Who's their replacement? For Mila, I don't think we have one yet. We've got so many, like, petite, like, indie gals coming up. And it's just a little boring to me. Very, very all the same, very vanilla.

Yeah, well, you know, in the same way that we can't get a male movie star because they don't, they only make superhero movies. And so you get, like, Chris. I was thinking about this. I feel like Zoe Kazan really kind of set the tone for this whole crop of young women coming up, but she just gets no credit and is like not really famous. Zoe Kazan over Greta Gerwig. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, I think she's a little bit more tweet, like in the movie, What If? Zoe Kazan has a great Twitter. Does she have never checked it out? She's really present and is engaging with the internet and paying attention. Cool. And like knows what's going on but has good self-awareness. I also just remember

I'm trying to remember which sports games she had taped for her boyfriend, who's Paul Dano. And then... Paul Dano. And then she live tweeted him watching it and losing his mind. It was a really big one, but it's sports, so I forget. I think... I don't know.

All right. Yeah. Wait, you just remind me of something that was not on the agenda, but I really want to talk about. Yes. Ben Foster and Laura Prypton being engaged. Yes. Bill's making it.

weird face right now. You want to expand on that face? All right, so I, there's an answer to this question. Yeah, there is. What's the weirdest celebrity couple of all time? There's an answer. I have it. You don't know what it is. No, I know what it is. There's an answer and I have the answer. It's Terrell Owens and Claire Crawley from The Bachelor. No, that's not mainstream enough. The answer is La Love It and Julie Roberts. That's the weirdest celebrity couple we've ever had. So I judge all celebrity couples on the weird scale by that couple. That kind of reminds me of Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani also really weird.

I think when he threw a country music star in the mix, it just gets bizarre. Well, then when he looks like Lyle Lovett, he was the chef in shortcuts. Did he and Julia Roberts actually get married? They married. Yeah. It's really tough. She had, Julia really missed her window in the Us magazine, Star, TMZ culture of just how weird she got for like three years. Like, she was getting married and ran off with the best man of the wedding and didn't get married.

And two famous actors were. Bob. That happened now. That would be like 10 straight jam sessions. Runaway bride is real? Yeah. I had for Jason Patrick and Kiefer Sutherland. Oh my God. I forgot about that. Yeah. Okay. She was marrying Kiefer Sutherland. I totally blocked that out. I totally blocked. She ran away with Jason Patrick. With the best man, Jason Patrick. This happened. They went to Ireland. I was just focused on how she legit thanked Benjamin in her Oscar speech, which is like something you can never undo, that Benjamin Bratt is the person you're thinking when you finally won your Oscar. I really wanted them to make it.

No shots to Benjamin Brat. I loved them together. I love the movie as congeniality, and therefore I love Benjamin Brat. But you know that that one failed my theory. Why? The two actors were one's way more successful than the other. Can last. Can never last.

Especially when the actor is the least successful, always backfires. Let's go back to Laura Prupon and Ben Foster. So Laura Priepon is Scientologist. famously so. Hager just really Bills, keep it in, Bill. It's very close to our sunset hour offices. I'm afraid.

Into my home. I live within a mile. Do we all live within miles? Very, yeah. I'm very close. I'm looking at this studio right now. I'm looking for bugs. So Laura Prypon, like,

when there was a rumor she wasn't doing season two of Orange is in the New Black because of her Scientology because she didn't believe in lesbians. And that was proved to be not true. She's still in the show. But so now she's engaged to Ben Foster, who she's been dating for, I think, for under a year. Meanwhile, he was just dating Robin Wright for, like, forever, and they were engaged.

And to go from engaged to Robin Wright to engage to Laura Prefond is really weird. And I just have a lot of questions about that. And it's very fast. I mean, granted, he and Robin Wright were on and off. Yes. Like, in the four years. Isn't she, like, 15 years older than him? Yeah.

How old was Ben Foster? Shout out to Robin Wright. Like 35-ish. Isn't she? She's older than I am, right? She's like over 50. Yeah, and she looks great. And she looks awesome.

They had a great sex life, according to many interviews that she gave. That's got a real intense. Everyone said she's like the peak. Yeah. Yeah. Like Robin Wright just walks in a room. It stops the room. Yeah.

I mean, she's great. First of all, it just must have been a very intense relationship. And I'm just now certain Ben Foster is like the weirdest man in Hollywood. Yeah. I mean, I sort of suspect. Well, he did the whole PD thing for the Lance Armstrong movie was weird. Did he go on? Yeah, he talked about it.

It, like, really messed him up. Like, he tried and did a whole thing and it, like, messed him up physically. I wish more people were open about that. I like that movie. I never seen it. I just do think also, you shouldn't get engaged in under a year. No. I just, like, I believe in time limits in life, and that's what.

Don't get engaged in under a year. If you are at home listening and you just met someone and you think that this is the one, like, please wait until your first anniversary. Like, to disagree? No, I totally, I mean, I wait. Phil's always telling people to slow down. and or break up. I waited three and a half years to get engaged

and then another year and have to get married. That seems totally reasonable. It's a big decision. You were young too. It's not like buying a car. It's not like, oh, what car should I get? This is somebody you're going to spend 60 to 80 years with.

It's different in your 20s and your 30s too. And you were in your 20s, right? When you got engaged? No, I was in my 30s. Yeah, it's just a really weird couple. I can't get over it. I need some more information about Ben Foster Scientology involvement now.

What's your weird couple of power rankings right now? right now? Yeah. That's, I don't know if anyone's going to beat them. Do you include couples? Like, to me, you can't sleep on Travolta and Kelly Preston. I'm so disturbed. Seeing her at the Grammy, what was it, the Grammys?

Emmys. Emmys. She was unrecognizable, but she's been through a lot. Her son died's horrible. Yeah. Again. Can't falter. I'm so hurry.

Just can't falter. I like, don't want to speak too freely here, but there's a common thread between the relationships that you're talking about. Scientology. Yeah. I think that there's a lot at work here in sort of matching like matchmaker type ways. Yeah. That makes me really uncomfortable.

So Katie Holmes, like she does what, eight years with Cruz? Yeah, it's from 2005 to 2012, I think. So that's seven. Yeah, it's 2012. Do you think she's just never allowed, like what kind of legal documents exist? Like is she, because she dates Jamie Fox now, like at three in the morning. Right. They're in bed and she's crying and he's like, what's wrong?

and she's like, I can't talk about it. I say, like, there's no way she doesn't talk to him at some point about some of this, right? Yeah. And then Jamie Fox has all this information. I want to venture to say, I bet Jamie Fox has bigger secrets than Katie Holmes. I'm just going to throw that out there. Jam session. I just think that Jamie Fox is weird.

Like, for example, Jamie Fox brought us Ed Shearren. Like, what are you doing with your world that you're responsible for the career of Ed Shearons? He brought us Ed Shearing? Yes. Jamie Fox has a radio show called, like, a foxhole or something. And there's like an open mic portion of it. It's like live from a bar.

This is literally my worst nightmare. And Ed Shearin open mic. Yeah. Ed Shearin performed at it. And then Jamie Fox is like, wow, why don't you use my home studio to record your demo? And like as a result, we now have Ed Shearin, who is like the biggest superstar in pop music. And maybe my least favorite. It's either him or Nico and Vins.

Oh, man. Ed Shearin is mine. It's inexplicable. I went to a jingle ball. Oh, fun. the radio station with a bunch of teens like three or four years ago. The man was wearing a long sleeve black t-shirt with a lime green short sleeve t-shirt over it and just like, I, you know, I'm not going to comment on looks, but like lime green

and red hair do not go together. That's just like a basic combo. It is very Christmassy though. No time. I mean, I guess. And I just watch like a whole generation of teen women like streaking and screaming with glee. And Ed Shearan, and it made me really concerned for America. We made fun.

In the Simmons car, we make fun of Ed Sharon songs. Ben hates him. My son Ben hates him the most. Like he'll come. Because Zoe listens to like... I like thinking out loud. I'm serious, like two and three, or the hits channels. Right, yeah.

And they just play the putt. And when he comes on, Ben's like, get him off! He just can't stand Ed Sharon. He had a big cameo on Bridget Jones' baby. But they made fun of him, so I was okay. He was in on the joke, which I thought was cute. I'm just like, that's what I needed to say to allow me to move past his involvement in a British Jones movie, which you know is very important to me. I'm a Shear and Defender.

But meanwhile, it's the year of Sean Mendez. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. Sharon's taking the year off, so now we have Sean Mendez. Sean Mendez is about to claim, I think, these last couple months here. Of the 2016? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's time.

Some people are into Solange. We're into Sean Mendez over here. Sean Mendez is talented. Talented young Canadian. You got the radio a lot in Paris. Like a lot. Can I do like a bill's, this is not reflect like the views of jam session type? That's fine.

I like the, I support that you like what you like. Yeah, that's true. It's not that I like what I like. It's I hear so much bad music in my car that just there's this rare beam of sunlight every once while. It's a decent Sean Mendez song. It's like, wow, this.

So I'm overrating him. There's no question. I'm just judging him by all the crap. that he's against. The song where he's, like, plucking his guitar. I like that. That's a good one. I know what she did last summer is just a flat-out good song.

It's a great title. I know what she did last summer. It was a great movie. Heard that one before. The woman who's on that song with him is Camilla Cabello from Fifth Harmony, which I think is weird that she has like a solo song in the middle of her being in a group. Zoe's down on her and thinks that the song would have been better with a slightly better. singer. So we've been watching The Voice, and Candice Cameron's daughter with Pavel

Bure, the famous hockey player, was on the voice. Was she good? And Candice was there, needless to say. They do the backstage with Carson Daly where all they're all rooting for somebody to turn around. She wasn't that good, but Adam Levine gave her the early buzzer turnaround. And then it kind of frazzled her and she kind of fizzled out. And then Adam Levine was, was like, you got to get your nerves under control. The whole thing was clearly, let's get the full house girl's daughter on the show. In her defense. It was super awkward.

In her defense, I think Adam Levina's handsome. Which is like my greatest shame. I do too. I would also be frazzled on live television. The voice is a very good TV show. It's very well done. It's very, very well done. It's very, very well produced.

Blake and Adam have amazing chemistry together. They really bust each other. I never really watched it before, but my kids like Miley, so they wanted to to watch it and now we've watched all of them. Mark Burnett doesn't fail. Like, just like he makes good stuff. They basically took the American Idol corner, which we knew they were trying to do when they were doing it,

but then they actually did it. Now American Idol isn't on the air anymore. But they have Miley and Alicia Keys in the middle. And you have these aspiring singers who are like, what should we do? Who should I pick? I'm taking Alicia Keys. Like, I'm sorry.

They never pick the right people. No. It's like I'm taking Miley's like this oddity. Like she gets picked. She runs out. She does these weird dances. Yeah. I feel like Alicia Keys would actually help my career.

The only thing of Miley is she actually is a really talented vocalist. Okay. Like if you watch some of her acoustic stuff, she is really good. But I agree with you. I'd pick Alicia Keys. Although. I think Alicia Keys would take it more seriously. I think Adam is everyone's top choice.

He's like cream of the crop. People want to be on Team Adam. Handsome guy. Yeah. It's hard to resist. Beautiful wife. Bahadi Prinslu. She's really beautiful.

I think they just had a child. Congratulations to them. That's their parents now. The voice has also been on for like a long time. What else is on your agenda? We're going to talk about, we're not down with Kim. Yeah, we got to go back to Kim. Okay, I'm going to go.

Okay. Bye, Belle. Thanks for stopping about Kim. Thanks for having. You're a first guest, I think. Yeah. All right, let's talk more about Kim. What a few days it's been with her?

I feel really bad for her. I do too. I mean, I know that, you know, I'm more of a Kardashian apologist than you are, for example. Sure. But, you know, I think we were actually. talking about something interesting with Bill, which was sort of the initial reaction versus then all of the pretty horrible details come out. And just thinking more broadly, it's a really weird time to be engaged, like a celebrity

gossip fan. Oh, yeah. It's so dark. It's so dark. And, you know, you can't help but kind of the first initial, like, oh, my God, I can't believe this. And it's, you know, we have a whole podcast about it. And there's a whole industry built around it.

And I don't feel totally. guilty about that. But everything just takes these weird turns. And now I just, you know, I feel really bad about Kim. I feel really bad about Brad and Angelina. I know. Oh, my goodness. That's a, that's a tough one. The thing about Kim is like, it's just a really brutal crime. Like, it's just so awful. I can't imagine being bound and gagged. Like, I can't think about anything scarier. At gunpoint. Yeah. At gun point. And it only took six minutes, but what a terrifying six minutes. Jesus. I know. It also was just like, It does make me wonder how this will change her public behavior.

Absolutely. Because you have to think that they have to have some sort of lifestyle. Changed. Because they're just so visible. And I don't, you know, a lot of people have been blaming them for that. And I want to be really clear that I don't blame them for that. This is not their fault. And it's shitty to be like, well, Mimi, you shouldn't like Instagram your jewelry.

Like, fuck off. That's not fair. Yeah. Karl Ogherfeld said that. Like Carl should go back to whatever, his cat. But this is another first time that they have had kind of threats based on their visibility. Didn't she have a stalker earlier this year? She might have Kylie definitely did.

And there's like a whole plotline on the show about trying to get Kylie to stop location tagging her Snapchat's because that helps a stalker. Sure. It does. You know, but I just think in 2016 with the amount of media and the amount of visibility that they have, it is much easier. There's, like, there's no way around it. And I think at some point you either, like, hire, like, a bodyguard army, which they might have to do. Or, like, you never leave the house. Yeah.

Basically. Um, I don't know. I don't know what I do. Also, I think that, like, they're her emphasis on, like, you know, I'm a mom. Like, it's just, like, she must feel, and her kids are endangered now. Absolutely. And that's, that's, like, the scariest part. Super terrifying.

Yeah. It's interesting. Also, like, for it to happen at Paris Fashion Week, which are so high profile. And with her sisters around, like, just. kind of adds to the story. It would be different if she was, like, robbed at home, but the fact that it's, like, an international crime in a different city that was, like, hosting, like, one of, like, the biggest, like, events of the world. It just makes the whole thing more dramatic. Yeah. Though I just feel, I mean, it would be scary if she got robbed at home, too.

Yeah, totally. I would move. Like, well, I can't be safe here. Yeah. I mean, you have to assume that they are in the process of moving and totally reconfiguring everything because, like, their house is searchable. We know all the places where they go. I mean, what's interesting about this is that seeking attention and visibility is so much a part of their success. It's her trade. It's their trade. They like literally became multi-millionaires and huge celebrities because of it. Yeah. So to have to like totally, I mean, it's like rethinking your way of life, which is so, it's a silly way to put it, but it's also very true. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. Also, also when she, She doesn't, like when so much of like the way she makes money is literally through.

Yeah. Like explaining where she is and what she's doing. It affects everything. Luckily, she's not the only one making money in that family. That's true, though. I think she kind of, in her immediate family is definitely the only one making money. That's true. That's true.

I forgot about that. Kanye's money troubles from earlier this year. Alleged money troubles. We don't even know. Let's move on to Angelina, Angie and Brad. Another sad thing. So we. We had a lot of speculation.

last time we did a podcast. Yeah. And we were pretty much. And we were pretty. We were totally wrong. We were wrong. Yeah. And we were wrong in a sad way because it turns out that it's about.

So here's what we know. Can we talk about what we know? Sure. And I'm relying pretty heavily on Laney Gossip, who I think has been doing great work and also kind of like reading the tea leaves of the various tabloids and kind of putting the right importance on who's credible and who's not. But from reading her and reading everything. else, it seems like there was some sort of incident on a plane between Brad and Angelina,

and it's not, and that he was probably inebriated. Right. And even if they're not the time, definitely afterwards. Exactly. And that no one knows what really happened, but it was a problem. And she filed for her to force the next day and was trying to get rid of the kids. Yeah. Trying to keep the kids.

Which is just really a bummer. I have to say that I actually really respect Angelina Jolie. Like I feel like of the last like 10 years, it seems like she's committed to like her like art, her craft. She, everything that she did like talking about women's health and like breast cancer, I think is really commendable. And I don't know. She just seems to take her kids really seriously.

People make fun of them for having so many kids. But they really seem to be the center of her life. Yeah. I've been thinking a lot about also it really sucks. And it's been interesting to watch kind of the Brad and the Angelina camps. and people sort of trying to explain away any potential Brad Pitt behavior. Sure. Which I do think is a little bit to do with that he's a really famous handsome white male movie star.

Agreed. And that's tough. And I think, like, we don't know what happened. We don't know what happened. And I don't want to allege anyone. But I do respect. It's very clear that in this situation, she is trying to do what is best for her kids. Yeah.

And I respect that. I agree with you. No matter. what else is going on. And we can't really know. And again, that's one of those things where we had a lot of fun and then the reality of it came out. And it's just like, there's no, there's no happy ending to this. So bleak. It's not like Julia Roberts running off with some different guy, you know? Yeah. It's like a lot sadder. Yeah. What a bummer. Also, like, he has a big movie coming out. I'm curious to see what kind of publicity is done for it,

for Allied. I completely agree because traditionally in these situations, even if you're a movie star like Brad Pitt, when you sign on, you have a certain number of publicity engagements that you just have to fulfill. And I just think there's no way that they can put him in front of a camera. If you're from the studio, would you even want him to do it? Because like the storyline would be about him, not the movie, right? Yeah, though I assume that their rationale is literally anything that gets their movie Right. Across the, you know, on people's minds.

What's the name of his movie with Angelina, The Sea movie? Oh, By the Sea. By the Sea. Do you see that? You know, I have seen gifts. I have not actually set down for the... I think we have to do a close reading of that movie. It just changes everything. I mean, I guess so. Though, again, like, I think the sad thing here is that this is not even, like, a story of a marriage unraveling,

which is what By the Sea is about. And I have been thinking a lot about, like, why do I feel better about investing in, like, unraveling marriages? Like, why do I feel okay about that? I get that sad, too. That involves people and sadness. But to me, I'm just like, well, shit happens, you know. People sleep with other people.

And there's, like, kids who are endangered versus emotional trauma. And there's physical harm and there's children versus adults. Totally. I think we're not going to stop talking about celebrity gossip here. No. We're human beings. Sure. But it is interesting to kind of interrogate these things because I felt bad about it.

Let's go back to Happy Territory. Okay. Today, Wednesday. There's always Luke's diners. Luke's diner pop-ups all over America. Oh, yeah. I saw the lines. The Gilmore Girls movie is coming.

People are out there waiting for their premium diner coffee. It came out this week that Alexis Pledale and Lauren Graham were each getting 750 gram per episode. So times four, that's $3 million, times two, between the two of them is $6 million. So Netflix is spending a lot of money on these four Gilmore Girls movies. I'm ready. I'm psyched. It's going to revolutionize my Thanksgiving experience. I'm really excited.

Can I ask you one thing, though? Yeah, certainly. I've been thinking about the Luke Steiner thing. So they're doing as promotion kind of fake Luke Steiner's. You can go and wait in a really large line and have like a man in Plaid yelling to you. I don't know. Here's a question that I've always had about. Okay.

Like, could his coffee be that good? No. Because like the way that they show up, and listen, I'm not a coffee snob. I don't like coffee snobs. Like, please don't talk to me about your roasting strategies. Yeah, I went to Starbucks this morning. I'm good. Yeah, whatever.

Just like give me some caffeine. But they make such a big deal about how it's the best coffee. And it's like they're definitely using an industrial, like, large coffee thing. Yeah. I mean, fuck that. I just, one, I don't think that that particular coffee can be that good. And I say this as someone who loves and respects diners. But also, I just don't think any coffee can be that materially better than other coffees.

I think you can have, like, your favorite kind of brew that, like, maybe you don't know the exact. Like, sometimes, like, my mom will get, like, she'll mix a few different kinds of beans, like, for her special own alchemy. And it's hard to, like, reproduce that. But I agree with, like, in general, it's hard to make, like, one that is so superior to all others. Yeah. And here's real anxiety I have about the new Gilmore Girls things is that, like, coffee culture has really advanced since Gilmore Girls went off the air. Not for the better, I would say. I mean, I guess people are making better coffee.

I agree with you. If you have found a way to make coffee that makes your mornings better than, like, I salute you. But I don't want to hear them chattering about fucking, like, I can't even think of the name right now because it's just like, yeah, chemexes and like pourovers and whatever nonsense. No blue bottle for you. What are the five worst modern references that could happen in Go More Girls? Things like you just don't want. that's a great question I don't need Tinder humor

No no online dating humor I mean they're definitely going to do online dating humor But like a swipe left joke from the I don't know I don't think I don't think I want a lot of texting humor Or like a lot of like he didn't respond or like maybe she didn't get it What do these three dots mean? Yeah like answering machines were a big part of the Gilmore Girls universe

And like let's keep it that way I don't need any like new visual voicemail. I don't want like new technology basically. Yeah, that's a great one. I don't know. What else? I think also they both were like pretty bad dressers in my opinion. Like kind of like, oh, I think you know I agree on that one. Without even really a time, neither was particularly stylish. I would like for them to stay not stylish. That's fine if they stay not stylish, but please lose the plot lines about how Lorelai is the best

dresser on the earth. Lorelai is not, no, please do not go by the Lorelai look for yourself. Agreed. No skinny scarves. Also, not too much politics. Even though Rory ended the show by going to be on the Obama campaign bus, let's leave that. Yeah, I mean, it seems impossible to do politics because they'll have... Yeah, it's November 25th or whatever. Right, it'll be after the election. Yes, they're screwed. Maybe America won't exist anymore and it won't be a problem. Oh, stop. Sorry. I don't know, it's interesting to think about the Gilmore Girls and all of their references, just in the context of we've all become like bloggers and people on Twitter. and we're just constantly making jokes and references and memes.

And I wonder whether their particular style of writing will feel sort of outdated. I feel like Laurel I'd be really into true crime, like serial and making a murderer. Like I just think those are like up her alley. And I wonder if they'll be plugged for like other Netflix shows like making a murderer. Do they do crossovers on the Netflix? No, but they do reference like other TV shows on that on GoMorrow. Yeah, that's true. So I don't know.

Just like she can really be into true crime in this moment. She's definitely a binge watcher. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they were the original binge watchers. Again, this is the thing. It's like we've all caught up. Like, it's a whole generation. We caught up to them.

It's a whole generation of Gilmore girls, like out in the world, which is terrifying, but I'm one of them, so here I am. Me too. I don't know how, like, can the show keep up or does it feel weird as a result? I don't know. I'm so excited to find out, though. I really am. You know what?

We were very nervous about Bridget Jones baby, and then we had a great time. It went great, yeah. So, so maybe. Maybe. Let's add on that positive note. Sounds great. Thanks for listening. Thanks to Bill Simmons.

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