The Press Box - Ep. 203: 'Jam Session' With Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: November 2, 2016

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Prince Harry's new boo (5:00), Meghan Markle's star status (8:00), Drake–Taylor Swift dating rumors (16:00), Lindsay Lohan's accent (24:00), and nostalgia for mid-2000s reality TV stars (27:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to Jam session. I'm Juliet Litman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. Lots of hot topics. today. It's true. A lot of small things that add up to one really exciting. One powerful jam session. Yeah. Lindsay Lohan's got a new accent. Yeah, that one's just... We'll get there.

Okay. Paris Hilton's with some coyotes. Paris Hilton, actually, is demonstrating really important coyote interaction protocol, which we'll talk about more. Drake and Taylor are... They're not dating. They're circling each other? I'm going to gossip bust. Okay. We'll get there.

But let's begin with probably the most exciting story of November so far. A young month, but it'll be hard to top. It'll be very hard to top this. Prince Harry, fifth in line for the throne in England, the United Kingdom, has a new girlfriend. And it's someone who's really important to me. It's Megan Markle, the star of suits on the USA Network.

So this is like a perfect jam session topic because it's a real meaning of the minds. I am like a really nerdy, like British royalty watcher, and you are the queen of suits. I'm the really nerdy suits watcher. You are suits number one fan. You're a suits scholar. Let's not, you're above fandom. You have transcended. You have theories.

Thank you. I really appreciate that. I've been watching since day one. No catching up for me. Sure. I've been there since the beginning. So can I confess something? Sure.

Literally had no idea who Megan Markle was. She's very popular with men. Very, very popular with men. Actually, the only context in which I'm not a suits watcher, not because I'm too good. I just haven't gotten there. The only context in which I had heard of her was when you and some of the men we work with talked about suits in the office. And every single man would steer the conversation to Megan Markle. She's a crowd favorite with males 18 to 35.

Yes. She also went to Northwestern University where I went. So that's really exciting. Congratulations. And I just, of all of the American women in entertainment and in this, celebrity world, I don't think I would have been like, yeah, Megan Markle and Prince Harry, that's what's happening. It's pretty wild. It's incredibly random. It's so random. Like, she's, like, pretty, like, accessible. Like, like, you said, you didn't know who she was. She is very pretty,

but, like, I guess she has a very specific look. No one else really looks like her. So this is an interesting question that I have posed to you before, which is, are the people in suits famous? No, they're not. But, like, all evidence to the contrary. Like, Megan, she's dating Prince Harry. So apparently they met in Toronto where they film suits, and I guess she lives, when he was there promoting the Invictus games. They met through a mutual friend in June, according to Us Weekly. By the way, Megan Markle and Prince Harry on the cover of Us Weekly this week. This is like... Megan Markle's now on a new level. Yeah, this happened really fast. Really fast.

Because I think the first rumors broke on Monday, and now she's, you know, I suppose Us Weekly had it in the works for a while, but they like went into the highest gear on this one. Yeah. Turbocharge. It's sort of like at the Ringer, we're preparing for two big events this week, Game 7 tonight of the World Series and Kevin Durant facing Russell Westbrook. These are like the things that matter. The things that matter to us weekly are Prince Harry development.

Apparently. So they met in June. Apparently she has been to London a fair amount to quietly see Prince Harry. I noticed that in a recent story. says that he went to visit her, and he took a commercial flight to Toronto. Yeah, well, you know, the Royals, they're trying to be, like, budget conscious. That's really nice, but commercial, I mean. Kate Middleton recently flew commercial to, I think, it was like, it was Belgium or Holland.

I'm not really sure. I didn't know slander to either of those countries. Like, I hope you're listening to Jam session, but they're pretty close to each other. Yeah. I don't remember, but she did recently take a commercial fight. Do you want me to go real nerdy on the Royals with you? Yes, please do. There is, it's, there's a plot point in the.

filmed the queen by Peter Morgan, which is about the week that Princess Diana died, where they're fighting over whether Prince Charles can take the Royal Jet to go to Paris to deal with, like, to be with Diana or whether he has to take a commercial flight because she's no longer member of the family. Wow, what do they decide? Well, then she dies, and so he got to take the Royal Jet, which is really sad. But basically, I think that they can only use for like Royal business. Yes. So for dating purposes, you can't use the jet. That's a fair rule. Yeah. This is their way of being like, listen, we're modern and we, you know, we don't spend all your money, but we only use it for important occasions. Well, like, Willie Obama is not taking Air Force One to Law Palooza.

Yeah, that's, well, I guess we don't know that actually. We don't know for sure, but I think that would be, that would have come out in that brew, ha ha. In the emails, WikiLeaks would have hit that. Yeah. We would know about that by now. But that's a good rule, especially for print tarry, he dates so much. You don't want to commit royal resources to his growth of the moment. That's very true. He really has kind of shopped around. Yeah. The other thing about Harry, though, is he dates a lot and he breaks up, makes up a lot.

But I feel like he has the same women kind of circulating through. Like, we've been living this Chelsea and the Crescent of Life for a lot of years. They left the blonde British aristocracy, the daughters of the British aristocracy. Yes, 100%. He knows, you know, they know, like, five families. Yeah. And that's the only people that they hang out with. Like, if you have access to a polo field, then you're eligible to date Prince Harry and otherwise, like, good luck to you.

If you're Prince Harry, do you want to go to Toronto? Like, is that, like, are you happy to get away from, like, the Daily Mail? Probably. I mean, here's the thing. They say in the Us Weekly article that they went to Toronto and they couldn't go outside. Right. Because it's just like the bachelor. Yeah, they would be spotted.

So they, like, cooked at home and watched things. I don't know, that sounds pretty boring. What do you think they talk about? What does Prince Harry have to say? Not very much. How many times have you, like, how many cumulative minutes do you think you've spent listening to the sound of his voice in some capacity? Probably, like, there's probably like 20 minutes of tape out there.

Yeah, there's just not a lot of material. There's not a lot of material of Kate Middleton. There's a little bit more of Prince William. Yeah. It's very rare that you hear them speak. There's not a ton of Princess Diana, which is why, like, the landmark interviews in her panorama. 1995.

Right. And why there's so much mystery. Yes, totally. I guess it's smart in a way because they're trying to preserve. I don't know, Juliet. Quick segue, could I tell you about a show on Netflix called The Crown?

I would love for you two. How long did it take me? How long was I able to wait before I talked about it? I think it was like eight. There was a show coming out on Friday on Netflix, also by Peter Morgan, who wrote The Crown.

No, he wrote The Queen. This is called The Crown. It's about Queen Elizabeth's, life. And it starts like in the 50s when she becomes queen. Anyway, they talk a lot about like, what is the crown supposed to be and what should royalty be and what does like a woman in charge look like. And mystique is very important. You're not supposed to be an individual, Juliet. You're supposed to just like lend like honor and be regal to that's your job. Right. To represent the crown not to be your own person. Exactly. The crown is like an idea separate from the person. So they're not

supposed to talk. It's like the Kate Moss thing where as soon as she starts talking, it's like, oh, you're a normal person instead of like the most mysterious supermodel of all time. Right. If I didn't know that Harry was a royal, I would just assume that he was not from London for some reason. Like he doesn't strike me as a London man. I think he doesn't like it very much. I mean, none of them do, right? Right. Why would that? The thing with the royal family is that they're not super cosmopolitan. They're just like people who like dogs and hunting and would rather be in Scotland. Right. You listen. That's your life. Yeah, it sounds nice. Make your choices. Like they're more similar to the Crawley family of Downton and Abbey than they are to like, I don't know,

some kind of like British city slickers or whatever. Yes, exactly. Like that's what rich people are like. Is Megan Markle ready for this life? She is, she's like totally like an American. Like she's not that, like there's not a time to tell you about Megan Markle. She's very popular with mailed. I once interview the NBA player Kendall Marshall when he was on the Lakers and he loved suits

and he loved Megan Markle. Like, did she ask hard-hitting questions? Did I? No, did. Oh, you interviewed him. I thought you watched an interview. No. Okay.

I was like, I, it was an interview with an NBA player about the TV show suits. Did you ask card-hitting questions about suits? I asked what he liked about Chipotle. He liked to get at Chipotle and whose favorite character is on suits. And it was obviously Megyn Markle, Rachel Zane. Like, she, the thing is, I would say she's a fourth or fifth best character on suits. Like, she's not even top tier. She's certainly the third best woman on the show.

The other two women were like, Amazing. One of them just left. Gina Torres. Now she's on Westworld. Okay. And she's another show coming. But anyway, like, this is just really big for you, for me, and for people who watch this show. Yeah. So I will say this. Based on my reading of various royal biographies over time, once like a relationship is in the press, that relationship is just over. It's over. Yeah, they're just, they cut all ties. They're like, nope, nope, nope, goodbye.

A couple questions for you. Yeah, she's three years older. She's 35. he's 32. Yeah. Is that a problem for QE2 over there? Like, does she have feelings about Harry dating an older woman? No, I think they've given up. Not usual for her.

I think Diana went so badly. Basically, Charles and his three siblings, all of their marriages, well, three out of four. No, I think the youngest is doing okay. Three out of four were just like such disasters and so embarrassing that I would be surprised if they get too involved at this point. And is an American acceptable as a royal? I think not. So that's, like, you know, better to have your German cousin be your bride than an American actress.

Because there are all sorts of like succession things. Right. And he's still, I think until your fifth in line, you still have to get permission from the monarch to marry. Right. So that's tricky. I mean, it's tough. Yeah. So Megan Markle, don't get to invest it.

Unfortunately, it seems that she has because she's posting these really unacceptable Instagrams. Oh, my God. So she did two. I only sent you one. Have you seen both? No, I have not seen the other one. One. Yeah, well, we'll get there in a second.

There was another one that was a jigsaw puzzle on, unbuilt, like just like spread out and like a teapot. And it was like tea time, like hanging inside having tea and doing a puzzle. She and Prince Harry are no longer dating. Just have one. This just in. That's over. And then the second one was two bananas that were like spooning each other. And one had, and like it had used a Sharpie to draw.

arms, like stick figure arms, so that it looked like the one, the big bird banana was hugging the smaller banana. That's so embarrassing. It's really embarrassing. Listen, I understand that, like, long-distance relationships are hard and you sort of have to do, like, cheesy gestures in order to, like, keep this spark alive. But that one's bad. That's, like, an automatic delete from contacts as soon as you get that.

Not that I use Snapchat, but, like, if I were Megan Markle, let's say I was, like, dating someone in England, that's the kind of thing I would send them as a snap. Because, like, that is exciting. Like, catch it, you know? But you're young. You're the next generation. Like, I don't much younger. Yeah, but I genuinely, I just think that Maggie Markle is probably not.

I don't know. I guess I don't know. Is she on Snapchat? Also, probably. Does Prince Harry, do the royals have, like, server rules? Like, people, like Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State? Like, does he have a private server? Is he allowed to have a cell phone?

Are there archives of his social media? They do have so many questions. They have cell phones because they got hacked. Oh, right? During the news of the world. stuff. They have, they've talked about how they have, well, not, they haven't talked about them, but like, royal sources have talked about how they have incognito Facebook pages. Right. So, like, you know, send them a DM. Like, that's what that's for. I agree with you. I mean,

this is what I'm saying. She's been, like, so not covert about this that they are no longer dating. I wonder if her co-workers new, like of her co-stars new. What's like the suits camaraderie on the set, do you think? I think that it's, um, medium amount. First of all, I I think shooting in Toronto does make them like hang out more. Okay. Because they're like not in L.A. or whatever. And I think that, I think like they're friendly, but they're not like super tight. Like I think like Gabriel Mocked and Patrick Adams are friendly.

And then those are the two leads. Thank you for speaking to me. Like I know what you're talking about. Please keep going on. I think. And then also like the guy, Gabriel Mockton plays Harvey and Sarah Rafferty who plays Donna. They've like known each other a long time. Okay.

Through the biz. So like they're friendly. But I don't think there's like a, there's not like a really tight-knit group of, of, it sounds like Friday it lights out where they're going to hang out after the show is over. Okay. Also, like, I recently did a deep dive along with several of our ringer staffers on one, one glorious Friday afternoon. Patrick Adams is the other star of the show.

He plays Mike, the genius who was a fraud. He recently had a week-long bachelor party that involved going to, like, L.A., the Grand Canyon in Las Vegas, like, just whole this whole desert Southwest trip with, like, costumes and like it looked really like hard partying. and like it was no one from the show but chris pine was there like oh yeah i saw this because of my chris pine interest yeah so like that's who he's hanging with not his not his colleagues he's like down with pine he's probably also crying was chris pine there all week oh yeah i think he like led the festivities as far as i could tell i have like we can talk about chris pine some other time i've been really

on a journey with him these last few months he months up and down i think i'm in but a week long bachelor party may back out yeah if i'm patrick adams is few years Beyonce, I'm not pleased with a week-long bachelor party. Also, if I'm Patrick Adams' friend, I'm not pleased being asked to participate in a week-long bachelor party. Yeah. I mean, that's unforgivable, right? It's, I think it's unforgivable to ask for, honestly, more than 48 hours of

anyone's time straight in any given situation. I agree with you. And, like, especially so many locations, seemed expensive. I hope he was covering a lot of it, or Chris Pine was. He's got that Star Trek money. Yeah. All right. This is an exciting one.

I hope it lasts forever. It probably won't. I hope they had a nice. like summer together. Hope that jigsaw puzzle is done. It looks like a lot of pieces. Minimum 500. Okay. Let's go let's go on to some, uh, hard analysis of this Drake and Taylor Swift business. Okay. All right. So last Friday, Juliet, yes. We awoke to some like early histrionic reactions from both ringer staff and just the internet at large about the possibility that Drake and Taylor Swift might be dating. Yes. You know what, Juliet? They're not. They're not dating. They're just

not dating. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's not like I know that because I have either of them on speed dial. I'm just sitting here reading the internet like the rest of you. But guys, learn how to read the internet. Come on. Everyone who is listening to this podcast is smart and I believe in you and I believe that you can read a gossip article and take the details there and form your own conclusions. And so I would like to read this article. Okay, let's do it. Okay. The headline is two of John Mayer's famous ex-girlfriend's face-off, which, Julia, would you like to comment on that at all? I would love to.

Yeah. So the lead picture for this article is John Mayer in the middle, Taylor shipped on the left, like looking angry while performing, and Katie Perry also looking angry well performing on the right. So it's like a photo collage. I would say John Mayer is a distant third most famous person in this picture and distant, distant fourth in this article when he throw a drink in the mix. And yet, he's the one who's named and is in the center. of the picture. So screw you page six.

Right. I mean, screw you page six times several things. Yeah. But yeah, that's just... Who do you think is more famous worldwide? Katie Perry, Taylor Swift. Oh, great question. I think Taylor Swift at this point, which I think is, you know, part of the animosity. Sure. Katie Perry has, I think, more Twitter followers, if that means anything. I don't know if it does, though. It might not. No one reads anymore, you know, that's why Twitter is trailing off. Totally. And anyway, okay. But we are certain it's not John.

Right. Okay. So, as you noted, this is an article in page six. So if you've been listening to Jam Session for a long time, you know about the tier of reliability from various gossip sources. People's number one. TMZ is like really up there as long as they're working with documents. Us Weekly is up there. Page Six does not make things up. No. One of the reasons I love it. Yeah. Page Six's sources are not what people and TMZ and Us Weekly sources are anymore. they just don't have as much access. They're local. Like, it's, you know.

They also, I don't think make deals with people the way that those others do. Yeah, absolutely. But page six is not going to make something up. So if they're running this, they had someone in the room, you know? So, okay. They got eyes on the situation. Exactly. So you can interpret everything that's in this article is like definitely exaggerated and

they're trying to put storylines in. But I think, yes, Drake did have a 30th birthday party. That's not made up. I believe that Taylor Swift, John Mayer, Katie, Perry and Drake were there. I even believe fast-forwarding to the end of this conversation. All right, I'm going to read it. Okay.

We're told after the dinner, Drake, well, we're told, hmm. Okay. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Let's come back to that, everyone. Um, we are told after the dinner, Drake joined Swift in her booth, where they, quote, were intimately flirting, talking closely and laughing.

The only person he spent more time with other than his mom was Taylor, the source said. That's it. That's it. That's all we got. And now people are like, oh my God, they're dating. Guys, calm down. They talked. They're two theater kids who are at a party and are trying to like do business together and they were animated. Like, let's not, listen, you never know. Maybe they really hit it off in the booth. Like maybe they're texting each other this week. There's maybe like a 3% chance that they slept together. I'm not saying no, but are they in a relationship? No. I also don't think, I think Drake would maybe date Taylor Swift. I don't think she would date him. I don't think

she would get the level of like focus and commitment from him that I think she requires. Oh, I think it's 100% reverse. Really? Yeah. I don't know. Try to prove that. For like a fake relationship or a real relationship? Like a Calvin Harris one? Again, again, what is the distinction in Taylor Swift's world? That's a larger conversation. I think that she would want to date him. I think both professionally and because she would think it was cool. Yeah, it is cool. It is cool. I would, I would date Drake. Totally. Me too. I mean, I'm, you know, he seems fun. If my, whatever. Were you not married, you would date Drake is what you're trying to say.

Mostly, yeah. Luckily, I'm not married. So I'm free to day drink. We not hate you. Also, I'm Jewish, as is he. That's true. We've got that going, as is his mom. Right.

So it's great. Also, is Drake, like, Drake obviously has a complicated, not that complicated, loving relationship with his mom. Like, she's very present. Is Drake, like, also trying to get with Taylor Swift while his mom's there? Like, I don't think so. Yeah, no. It's just like this was definitely like a business call. Yeah. And that's fine. And in fact, page six recently reported that they are working together, which yeah, that makes sense to Apple Music people, like trying to

hoard all of the money so no one else can have it. They're both very good at that. They're both super opportunistic. So I believe that they were talking and trying to be nice to each other. This just, like this information does not equal that they're dating. And so this is what I want to talk about. Okay. If you can tweet, you can read. And if you're tweeting, I challenge you to come to your own conclusions instead of being hysterical, not paying attention, or just retweeting like fake headlines. Don't be lied to. Yeah.

Demand more from your gossip. Anything, any story about Taylor Swift is just immediately like a red flag, like alarm, alarm going off. Like, it's probably not true. You're probably not getting the whole situation. Need a critical lens on this one. It's true. Like, be the celebrity gossip person you want to see in the world. Like, be honest, responsible, have thought.

Like, our entire podcast is about talking about this in an intelligent but still emotional way. I believe that both are possible. Definitely. And I just, I'm very tired. I just like, I have not missed the Taylor Swift news, like in general. I'm not looking forward to coming back. Similarly, it's been noticeable to me that there's been significant less amount of Kardashian news.

and I have not missed it at all. I'm sorry you'd feel bad, though. Why? I mean, she hasn't, like, been in public in a month. No, she hasn't. It's been almost exactly a month. And I understand why and respect her privacy, and I do what you have to do.

Like, this is no shots or criticism of Kim Kardashian at all. But it's such a dramatic change in their lives and in their livelihood. And, yeah. I mean, I feel, obviously, for her for the whole traumatic situation. But, like, I'm just saying in my gossip ecosphere, I don't miss the stories, the fake stories about them. It's true. It was a really crowded Kardashian market.

And now we just have more to talk about this week. Yeah, totally. I know. It really opened up space. And you know it. Let's talk about some of those stories. Okay. First, let's talk about Bose.

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Okay, so we're, we cleared the decks a little bit. We got Taylor and Drake. By the way, thank you for letting me, like, share my feelings on that. Yeah, of course. I'm glad we got it out there. Okay. Important stuff. So we're not, you know, we're not saddled by fake Kardashian news.

Chris Jenner's not pulling the strings around me right now. So we can really focus on something. that are important, including Lindsay Lohan's new accent. Yes. A video of her. So the Daily Mail first reported about this. There's a video of her at a premiere in Greece, I think. Yeah.

Where she's like, I actually don't know what she's talking about. I was like the words lost meaning. I just heard sounds and I was trying to focus on what it was. We can go back to some of the things that she was talking about. Okay. She was talking about her nightclub. Right. I guess which, and then somehow transitioned into turning it into a

a spa and a refugee camp. Right. And she delivered all this information in like a, I don't, what kind of accent? Some are saying Russian. Some are saying, I don't know, like just like a middle European, central European. Who is, who is Lindsay Lovian trying to be now? Daily Mail suggested Australian mixed with Turkish, which I don't like really know what's going on there. I don't know.

It was bizarre. It sounded. It was a bad S&L accent. It was like if you are auditioning for S&L, but you're definitely not good enough to be on it, then this is possibly the accent that you're speaking in. I know when I have like American friends that moved to London, they like have like a different inflection. Like when they ask you a question, the words they emphasize might be different. Like care for a cup of tea. Not instead of like, do you want a cup of tea?

Right. It's like in the middle of the sentence, not the end. The inflection goes out. I also remember when Madonna had a British accent for a while? It happens. That does happen. But this is extreme. It's usually specific to a location.

and earned over time. Right. And it doesn't really, this doesn't make any sense. By the way, did you know that the Daily Mail interviewed her about this? They think so. And she said like... She said Junice-Pa, which is, I don't know in French. So she's just really, like, she's a citizen of the world at this point is apparently what's happening.

The other thing that's really weird about it is, like, often when you pick up an inflection or you sound like a native of a different country, it's like still a place where they speak your language. So like maybe you'd sound Australian or maybe you sound Australian. maybe you sound British. She just sounds like a foreigner, like a, well, Kate Nib said, like maybe she's been around people who's English is their second language and she's picked that up from them. I don't know. Okay, I should read the rest of her quote to the Daily Mail, which was like, it's a mixture of most of the languages I can understand or I'm trying to learn.

Okay, listen, you know what? Learning different languages is good. Engaging with other cultures is good. All at the same time is just suspect. I don't know what's going on. Need not do it right away. Another thing that I just found troubling and watching her video is that... I mean, yeah. Why didn't she ever go back to red hair? Why is she sticking with this blonde look? It is not her best look.

She was a great redhead. It's strawberry blonde. I liked the real blonde, real redhead. Mean girls. Yes. She looked great that way. I thought a real secret is that I really loved platinum of blonde low hand. The Vanney Fair cover?

Yeah, that's, come on. That was pretty great. I just think it washes her out. I don't know. I actually just don't really like non-natural blondes. like natural blondes who enhance their blondness I'm fine with, but I just think it always looks like wrong. So you're saying I should not go blonde. No, I think it might look weird. No offense. I thought about it. You have? No. I'm like, it's really not here. Occasionally I'm like,

wouldn't it be weird to go your whole life and not know what it's like? Don't you want to know? I've never dyed my hair in any capacity. But listen, I'm getting up there. Like I can't, I don't want to be on my deathbed and be like, I never found out what it was like to be, you know, I don't know. I guess it doesn't really matter. Doesn't appeal to me. I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I hate getting haircuts. I've been putting it off. My hair is disgusting right now. So any drastic change like that, I'm just like, I don't know. Anyway, we made a lot of fun of Lindsay Lohan's accent because, like, what else can you do? I watched it in my as just like, oh, geez, we're back at this again.

Yeah. It's sad. It really is. She seems okay. I don't know. I don't know what to say. What does she do all day? What's her source of income? Well, she started a nightclub. Right. Okay. That's a successful venture to be, for sure. I don't know. I mean, she broke up with the dude, her fiance.

And now I think she's just like floating through Europe. I wish she could be in a movie. Do you think she's capable of acting anymore? No. Well, it's not, she might be capable of acting. I don't think that she can be cast anymore. Like she can't be insured, I think. Right.

At this point. Oh, right. The whole movie insurance is, like a secret part of movie making. I don't know that for sure, by the way. I'm just assuming. Sure. I don't want to like get in trouble. I understand.

Let's talk about some more stars from the previous decade. Paris Hilton. Paris Hilton. Okay. This is ridiculous. But it was really delightful, especially if you live in Los Angeles. Which we do. And you have encountered a coyote on your street, as I often have.

Can I tell you a story about my first week in L.A.? Yes, please do. We couldn't move into our house yet, so we were in an Airbnb, and I, like, walked out to work on, like, Thursday. Great. And there was like a little courtyard. And there was this like large dog, like just in the courtyard. And I just walked back in my house and like turned my husband. And I was like, there's a scary dog outside with the tail that looks like a wolf.

And he was like, that's really a coyote. And I did not believe him because a coyote in my head looks like while a coyote. And we Googled it. And then I was like, oh, yeah, that's a coyote. Okay. I was once walking home on my street like a month or so ago. And like I live closer Griffith Park and there was just one like prancing down the middle of the street. It was really scary.

And like in New York, you know how a way to avoid rats on the sidewalk is to walk in the middle of the street? I didn't know that. Oh yeah. I do that often. Okay. When I'm walking home, when I met my parents. Like in L.A., it's like the opposite. You got to stay on the sidewalk because the coyotes will be in the middle of the street.

And Paris Hilton showed us that to be true. She was walking in her neighborhood in broad daylight. by the way. They often come out at night. And she just like, she had a problem with the coyote while she was listening to Kesha. Yeah. And she was just filming this coyote that was running past her. Can I tell you though? She did the right coyote defense procedure. Which was. Okay. So I recently read an article that was sent to me by, by a friend Phoebe, called, and it was about coyote hazing, which is like what you're supposed to do to prepare when you interact with a coyote. And it's basically, like, what you're just supposed to do is wave your arms around.

like a crazy person and be like, go away coyote, which is literally what she did. She did the right thing. That's actually the right safety measure. Okay, good to know. So Harris Hilton is teaching us all how to interact with wildlife in a respectful but safe way. That's great. And also teaching the wildlife about the joys of Kasha. Yeah, I mean, we all should enjoy Kasha. That's true. I do. Did you read that article in the New York Times? I heard some of it. It just seemed like she's still in an illegal battle. And she's having a hard time, but she really can't. talk about it at all because so much of it is still under like lawyers have to deal with it. So it's just kind of like, I'm not free yet.

I feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for her too. It was sad, but it just seems ongoing. Also, I feel like a little tortured over enjoying her music that was like written by and with Dr. Luke. But it's got some jams. Come on, come on. Yeah.

Your love is my drug. It's true. They're very good. She says that she has a bunch of new stuff that she'd like to release. So I think we can just like channel all our good energy. into the future and to a music that is sanctioned by Casua. When Carissa, when Paracelton listens to Cassia, she thinks about the episode of the Simple Life that Cascha was on.

Probably. Do you think that Paracelton is just like reliving 2005 all the time? Probably. I kind of am too. I watch a lot of like weird videos on my, on YouTube, like around 2.30 every day that are like from the years like 1998 to 2005. What was the most recent one? I really, we should do a segment of like the last thing Julie I watched on YouTube.

I'm always learning. something. Because of the Romeo and Juliet anniversary this week, I've been watching a lot of Quindon Tarver. Everybody's free. Everybody's free. One Doves Cry, also really good. And then yesterday, I watched some OC clips. I don't know why. I just did. And it led me to reading about Adam Brody, and I wanted to know who officiated his wedding to Leighton Meester. Who did? I never found out, but that ultimately led me to an old Adam Brody AMA from, like from 2011, perhaps. I don't even know one. And he made some unsavory jokes on it.

Like, he made a joke about bullying. And I was just like, no. If you were actually like people cared about you, only actually famous that you'd have gotten a lot of heat for it. It was really weird. It was a really bad Q&A. And it was kind of upsetting because, like, I just loved Seth Cohen so much. So it turns out he's not at all like Seth Cohen.

No. He's sort of like an actor douchebag. Yeah, it just turns out that there was like good writing on the OC that made us all love Adam Bernie more than he might have deserved. That's disappointing. I know. I know. It's kind of, it's like going back and reading old AMAs is kind of enlightening because

usually just so current because that's what Reddit is. And so like, I forgot what the questions were, but they were just like, do you keep in touch with Peter Gallagher and like just like things like that? And he made like an eyebrows joke about Peter Gallagher, which I was just like the flame, bro. Yeah, but imagine if literally every interview you've done since. it's 2005 is like, do you keep in touch with Peter Gallagher? Yeah. Literally, you get asked that every day for the rest of your life.

Yeah. He's just lucky to have had the O-C. And then somewhere in your obit, it will be like he had a close personal relationship with Peter Gallagher. Like, it's just, I agree that you should, you know me, I believe that all celebrities should always treat their interviews like a performance and like be game. It's part of the job, duo with gusto. But I relate.

And eyebrows joke is not like the worst. Right. That's true. Strong eyebrows also. It is like a thing about Peter Gallagher. That was also before like eyebrows were a whole thing, you know? Yeah, that's a great point. Before we really like embrace strong brows as a nation.

Yes, exactly. And now we have, now we have Carrie Delavine. Yeah, I guess so. Who's very current. She's certainly not for 2005. Yeah, I just, all these, all these stars from the previous decade, you know, I can't let them go. They're still in my heart.

We still care. You're totally right that the lack of Kardashians like opens up the lane for our old sad reality stars. It's great. It is a problem with, like, I would love another actual movie star scandal. You know, it is a little sad that we had to drag up, like, old tabloid of 2005 instead of some bona fide, like, real celebrities. Totally. I guess Lindsay Lohan's real celebrity.

She's real. You know what I mean, though. Yeah. It's just funny. It's also, like, Paris Hilton back because the people who, like, stole her lunch. Yeah, it's true. It's just like we can't create new celebrities anymore. There are too many, and it's too segmented. It really is true. Like, who's the most famous person to, like, emerge the last 18 months? Brand new? Yeah.

Like, Ken Bone? I don't know. I mean, that's... I was going to say Chris Pratt. How long is it? But even him, he's been around for, like, 10 years. Yeah, he's been working for... But it's true that there are almost no movie stars who break through on the level of say Chris Pratt. Even pop stars. You don't even have any of pop stars. Yeah, because everyone else, every single person released a damn album this year. We're stuck with Ariana Grande. She's like the most recent breakout. Yeah, that's true.

But she's still like can't make it through. She's still like soul cycling at the VMAs or whatever, poorly. And she's going to be on the Harrisprite musical. I mean, she has like five hits. She's on the radio all the time. I only hear Ariana Grande and 21 pilots at Uber. So that's all they play in Uber is Ariana Grande and 21 pilots. I hate 21 pilots.

The worst. hate. Strong. Strong hate. Um, on that note, let's end this jam session. It's great to end on some hate once in a while. Thanks for listening. Shout out to Megan Markle. Shout out to Prince Harry. Good luck.