The Press Box - Ep. 231: ‘Bachelor Party’ With Jade Roper and Peter Scalettar

Episode Date: January 11, 2017

The Ringer’s Juliet Litman is joined by former ‘Bachelor’ producer Pete Scalettar and former contestant Jade Roper to discuss their feelings about Nick (1:20), Corinne’s villain status (3:40), Liz’s epic departure (25:40), her TV wedding to Tanner (33:35), and Danielle’s tragic confession (43:50). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Julia Lippin. Today I have a special guest. Pete Scalitar, welcome. Hello there. You were used to work on The Bachelor. I did for many, many years. Formerly a producer, how many years? Well, that's like eight and a half years, but sort of 12.

Wow. Yeah. So you're still all a producer. I said formerly a producer, not on The Bachelor anymore. Now you're out in the wild. You're on your own journey, one might say. Exactly. But you're still watching the show?

Of course. Is it weird to watch it? I mean, it's a little weird, but it's Nick and, like, I'll do anything for Nick. You know Nick. Okay, so you like Nick. This is great. I love Nick. What's the best thing about Nick? Well, I mean, there's a lot of great things about Nick.

Nick just has a presence. Like, I didn't realize, I used to really not think much of him. Me neither. I called a Norm Core Nick for a long time. Yeah. And so even, like, before he was on the show, it was kind of like, I don't know about this guy. and he wouldn't send me a shirtless photo, which we always talk about

because the first time I reached out like he was at the gym and we're texting and it was kind of weird like throwing out with a dude, I don't know, at the gym, like, hey, what are you doing? Oh, send me a shirtless pick from the gym. But then, yeah, but then when you're with him in his presence, like he's, he has a presence.

Yeah, he does. He's very charismatic. It's weird, actually. I don't know. I don't find him hot. I'm one of the few women who don't find him hot. Even when you're next to him? Like, I know he's objectively hot, but he's just not my one.

I don't know what it is. I don't know. Something about him. He's just not for me. I don't know. I think he's got good style. He's hot. Yeah.

Carrie, who was on last week, also said he has good style. And I don't know. Like, I don't think he does. Like, as Norm Pornick, when he first came before he was, like, styled by Hollywood because he moved here. He just dressed like a guy who went to the gap, which is cool. And like, Jay Crew. But, like, is that good style? No, but he made the best of it.

You know, that's pretty good for a dude from Milwaukee. That's true. No shortage of Milwaukee references on this show, by the way. Yeah. I feel like if you follow Nick on social media, you know that he lives in L.A., but for whatever reason, he's still repping hard from Milwaukee. I mean, I rep for New York, but it's different. I don't know.

I just feel like Nick is, he's really, like, he was really happy that Rachel last week went to Marquette and then Danielle this week was also from Wisconsin or something. Yeah, it's like it's Midwest Prize. Sure. Where are you from? I'm from New York. Oh, okay. So you don't have Midwest Pride. No, well, I do now. My wife is from Indiana. Oh, cool.

So, yeah. So we're up Midwest. That's where Ben's from, Indiana. Exactly. Wonderful Ben. Okay, I want to talk about this week's episode. I'm excited as you're here. Let's begin with the hated, the loathed Corinne. What?

I hate Corinne. How do you feel about her? I think she is amazing. That's ridiculous. Plus, this is the producer and you saying that she's amazing. No, she's beautiful. She is quite pretty, I agree. She actually very rare, look better on day two than day one. Yeah, she looks good with makeup, she looks good without makeup.

She has a great job. She can formulate sentence as well. Okay, great job. I'm glad you brought that up. She very much was like, I am rich. I'm going to have a multimillion dollar company. And then it was very hard to find details about this company. What is it?

I figured it out from the health. with the internet and people on Twitter. Her family owns like a garage flooring company. What is that? Like I don't know. Like if you, you know what you need like you get like wood for your kitchen? This is like anti-wood.

This is like for you to drive on like because your car. So you can like drip on it and it won't stain. Yeah, exactly. So it's a flooring company. That's a thing. Yeah, exactly. It is. Like that's the kind of thing that's like sneaky,

really lucrative that people don't really think about. So she is, she is rich. That is true. But like she just made it seem like she was, I don't know, some kind of like queen or princess from a different country or something. She's not. I love her.

I don't know. She just got me. She was great. Like beyond the top was saying, whatever, that's not it. That's not it. Like from the first night, I just loved her. She's just like. So she's so aggressive?

Yeah. She's just like doing it. She's doing it right. She's not giving a fuck about anybody else. That's nice. I guess. I mean, I suppose I'm happy for her. but she's living her dream of being on The Bachelor, which I assume she's 24, maybe she's 25.

So she's been watching the show at least for 10 years, if I had to guess. She's probably been like- Or her entire life, essentially. That's true. Nick is the 21st Bachelor. It's been happening for a long time. He's actually the 20th Bachelor, 21st season, because Brad twice. Yeah. Fuck Brad.

I hate Brad so much. Why? Oh, my God. Brad seems like the kind of person that, like, if you encounter him at the bar and you got into a fight, he would have to exit because otherwise he would like hit you. Like he just strikes me someone with an anger problem. He's so sweet. Brad?

Yeah. Come on. When I go to Austin, we stay with him and he's great. What's he up to these days? That I don't know exactly. I think he's still just like, you know, dominating the bar scene in Austin. There was one good thing about Brad, which he had like a funny video of him dancing on the car with his twin brother.

He's twin, right? Yeah, he's a good dude. Brad and Chad. Brad and Chad? I think so. Oh my God. That's ridiculous. You're the only person I know who likes Brad Wilmack.

Thank you. But congrats. I'm also done one who likes Corinne. Yeah. Okay. Back to Corinne. Correct. No one likes her.

All of the girls hate her. Most notably, she started having a fight this week with Taylor. And shockingly, it was kind of of Taylor's making and not Karen. Taylor's the one who looks a little Kayla-esque, who is from Washington, who's a mental health counselor. And she and her opening package, like, talked about how she's biracial. Right. And talked about all her credentials last night. Yes.

Yeah. She's like, I went to Johns Hopkins. She was like a laundry list of credentials. Right. She and Corinne, she thought that Corinne's behavior was like addressed towards her. Like she assumed that Corinne's antics were to like take Taylor down a notch. And to me, it was very fatal attraction. I could just see Taylor over the pot, cooking a rabbit, you know, on like a chilly day.

I'm worried about Taylor. Those are like two types of people that just don't mix well. Sure. Right? But like Miami blonde party girl and the intellectual. What does she do? Some mental health counselor. Yeah.

She probably sees some red flags. I have some real problems with Taylor's so-called credentials because like mental health counselor is not a thing. It's like a guidance counselor or like a mental health professional or a therapist. Mental health counselor is just not a thing. And so even though I don't like Corinne, I kind of on her side in this one because Taylor just seemed very insane. She might be her own mental health counselor.

Yeah. It kind of bummed me out because those. are like actually Taylor is also in my like top five faves just for these first two episodes. Yeah. What makes a favorite for you? Like it's like someone you enjoy or so many things that I go far? Well, well, I mean, my criteria is different now that I'm just watching as a fan. Sure.

And so as a fan, it's like I'm living, I'm living vicariously through Nick. And I go, okay, well, which of these women would I want to date? And those are two that I totally want to date. I can't believe Taylor's out there. Taylor's 23. She's too young for Nick. Well, she's too young for me, but that's not the point. She's not going to say too young for Nick.

I think it's good. Nick is drawn to these, like, strong professional women. That is true. He likes a woman with a job. He doesn't like the... And I actually think that these women all have kind of impressive resumes, at least more so than usual. This is the best group of women that I can remember. It's like two nurses, two business owners.

At least two nurses. Yeah, at least two. A couple of lawyers. I mean, it's pretty impressive. It's great. And Corinne, she's a millionaire. Okay, we're just not even really getting into the meat of Corinne. Let me explain what happened.

So Corinne goes on the group date, and the group date is classic Bachelor move. First of all, the photo shoot, which is like, I'm not even going to ask you why it's a thing. I know why it's a thing, because it makes these people who are already exhibitionists, like, lean into their exhibitionism. And that's exactly what happens on this photo shoot. They all were, like, different kinds of brides that were being photographed with Nick. And Brittany, who was like... like really kind of just like not know-orthy at all was designated as the Adam and Eve bride.

Oh, yeah. So she was just wearing like a leaf bikini bottom and then she's using hair extensions to cover her breasts. Breasts became a real focal point in this episode very quickly. Very quickly. And some of the brides got really shafted. Like Vanessa had to be the 80s bride and she just like was all covered up and that's just like not fair. But she had a great moment when they were like all walking down the steps and there was kind of that like 80s tune. Like that was a nice moment.

Yeah, she led it. She kind of, like, led the brigade of brides, if you will. Yeah. What really sucked was that some of the women had had bridesmaids. Yeah. That was really mean. That was so mean. Especially when they're, like, looking on and he's, like, kissing another girl.

And he was like, oh. There were 15, I think there were, like, 15 women, give her take on this date. It was a big group date because he still has 25 women. Or 22, actually. 22. And, like, this was like, this was the A team, though, as compared to that other date. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

The other date, which we'll talk about later, was all. all secondary. Like, just none of them are going far. None of them. But yeah, all of the heavy hitters were on this one. You got Alexis from Secaucus. Corrections desk. Last week I said Secaucus, and I was making fun of her because I'm from New York.

And in New York, we say Secaucus. But apparently in New Jersey, they say Seacoccus. So it's not even a joke. How were you even alerted to this? For many people telling me I was wrong. And from going to Wikipedia, which has the correct pronunciation listed. And I just want to say I'm all in on Alexis. She's the Dolphin slash Dark Girl.

just because she's fun to watch. Yeah, because she's ridiculous. She was in the blooper at the end of the episode. Did you see that? The cupcakes. The cupcakes. Praise the Lord. Celebrate her breast implants.

One year. Congrats Alexis. Oh, man. That was amazing. Good for her. Yeah. I just like that. I mean, she's obviously not winning, but she is fun.

Yeah, and it just seems like everyone out there just like doesn't give a fuck. They're just being themselves and that's great. It's crazy. It's kind of weird. Are you surprised by the level of like or the lack of it? inhibition that we're already seeing. I think it's like it's about time. Like that's what it should be.

Just go and be yourself and not be all worried about everybody around you. That is what worked for Nick after all, why we're seeing him on a fourth season of this franchise. Totally. He's always, he's always himself. Yeah. Which is why he's likable. And I think why he likes women like Karen. So Corinne is like Beach Bride.

And first of all, she's not wearing a Beach Bride outfit. Beach Bride is like a casual wedding, like long wedding dress. It's like, flowy. Yeah, flowy, exactly. We've all seen it in a magazine. Corinne is wearing a just a bikini top and like a wrap around her waist. And she does she, I don't remember how she wins, like by what criteria. The photographer shows who the he was amazing.

Their photographer's name was Franco La Costa. Yeah. And I googled him, obviously. There's two Franco Lacostas out there. So one is like a designer who has like some. some men's wear line who on the website says the brand's aesthetic combines flawless finishes and refined fabrics into designs that allow our customers to freely express exactly who they want to be. Now, I could see that being this Franco Lacosta like someone on The Bachelor franchise,

can't you? He was rocking an incredible outfit. Yeah, okay, but he's not a designer. So he, in fact, links to the wrong Franco LaCosta page on his own Instagram. That's from Franklacosta.com. Franko Lacostacreative.com is who we saw on the show. And he does not link to that. He links to the other one? Yes. What a business. I know.

It's incredible. And I know this because the one who we saw on TV last night has a LinkedIn page that says TV personality and beauty and fashion expert. And that's different. If you have your online, you put that on your LinkedIn. I just liked his sunglasses, his outfit, his whole thing. He was killing it. He seemed like an actor.

Yeah. It seemed like a fashion photographer. Like, ooh, yeah. Oh, yes. I think that's only what fashion photographers are like in our mind. I don't know if they're really like that. On TV. On TV.

On TV, yes. That's a TV fashion photographer. I buy it. I believe it. So he was, like, you know, doing all these weird photoshoots. This was definitely not my favorite photo shoot of the, of the Bachelor history. There was one where they wore wedding dresses and they jumped in for the underwater wedding shoot.

That was the Caitlin, wasn't it? Yeah. That was a good one. Yeah, that was cute. You, like, ruin the clothes. It's, like, a thing called wreck the dress. I don't even know what that is. Yeah, it's like when people do photo shoots and they, like, ruin dresses by going in water.

Oh, yeah, we did that. Yeah. Yeah, it's a thing. I think Caitlin did it with Sean or someone. With Clint. Clint, right. You're right. Do you have, like, really good recall for everything that happened while you were working on the show?

Sadly, no, but, like, the things pop up, you know? Like, oh, I remember that moment. But it varies. Clint. I knew Clint. Clint, yes. Don't ask me anymore. I think he was like, was he part of the bromance that developed?

Yeah. And JJ. JJ's like still in the mix. He seems like really embraced the Bachelor Nation. He may, he's a, he makes great efforts to stay involved and is a very great guy. Very diplomatically said. Okay. So Corinne gets in the pool with, with Nick and decides to take her top off and recreate the

Janet Jackson CD cover. So that means that he's behind her. holding her breasts. And she's like his bare hands on my bare bosoms. I was feeling for him there a little bit because I was like Yeah, explain why.

That's like a really hard position to be in for him where she's going like, okay, put your hands on my breasts right now and everyone's watching. And it's like, well, is this for the photo? Should I do this for the photo? Is this like, am I totally crossing a line?

But she's saying it's okay. Yes, this is our art. What are we doing? I don't know. I felt bad for him too. He doesn't like to say no to these women. I can already tell. He likes to kiss them.

Sure. We all know Nick likes to kiss and have sex. There's no question about that. Good for him. I mean, he obviously just really loves women, which I'm happy for him. He's on The Bachelor. Yeah.

Because he loves women. He's built for this. But it's just uncomfortable. All the girls are, all the other women are like 20 feet away. Max just watching this happen. Yeah. Some of their reaction faces were like,

oh, they really felt that. The best reaction, shout out to the producers, was Haley, who was drinking the Moscow mule in the copper mug, and she was just throwing it back. It was incredible. It made me really like, Haley, as a vodka drinker, I was like, yeah, girl, that's what I would be doing, too. I was wondering if they really had Moscow mules in there because I was, like, excited to see those nice copper mugs. Yeah. It could have just, you know, who knows? Just been the cup, like just drinking wine.

Yeah. But other people had wine. They were just in wine glasses. That's true. That was weird, but I really liked it. I love Moscow mules. Me too. What a great drink. The problem with ending with vodka and then like ginger ale, pineapple, my go-to-drink is vodka soda, splash of pineapple. Anything that's vodka, a little, like,

so, you know, carbonation, a little sweetness, you just get blacked out. Like, just very fast to block out. What's in that cup? That's just water, I swear. But, like, it's really easy just to lose track of how many of you had. You just throw them back so easily. And that's what I think what Haley was going for. She was like, why am I trapped in this wedding dress hell? Is that what you were doing this day? I would, I don't like costumes. I don't like dressing up, so I'd be a really poor participant. I would probably like be uncomfortable and get attention by crying because I didn't want to do a date or something.

But do you ever like put yourself in those shoes and like actually think about? Of course I do. Of course I'm saying. Like when I'm like, oh, I was thinking about like what it must be like for Nick in that moment. Like that's the way to watch this. I do hate Corinne and I would hate Corinne. I just hate that kind of woman. I just do.

She's just like too. I mean that's horrible. I shouldn't hate any women. But she's too. aggressive. And so, like, right now, are you judging me for liking her? No, I'm not surprised at all, of course. That's one of the reasons she's hated by other women because it works, right? So that's like, and that's already seeing that happen. The women have all turned on her. Yeah. Taylor the most. Well, she's, I mean, look, she's not helping herself. No. That's for sure. No, she's not. So after,

after she wins, I don't really know what she got, just like more time with Nick, but usually they send people home. But I don't really know what her win meant. They wrote off together in the just married car, right? Yeah, and they got like a little extra time. Driven by Franco La Costa. Well, we know he's got a driver's license.

That's great news. I wonder, the girls arrived at the date and three or four separate cars. I think it might have been four, actually. There's so freaking many of them. I was wondering how they decided who drove, like how that is designated. I don't know if you can answer to that.

It might be too insider. It varies. I mean, I don't think there's any real rhyme or reason to that because it's... I would be like, I'm driving. Moveover, girls. Yeah, or if you want to make sure that, like, no one's had anything to drink that day. Right. Because sometimes people wake up and have mimoses and things. Right, why?

That's like, okay, if you know that day's happening, you got to make sure there's at least four women who are not drinking in the morning because... Right. Interesting. Someone's got to drive. When Ben and Lauren came here a couple months ago, they were just... I was like, what time is drinking start? Like, one? And they're like, no.

930, 10? They're like, yeah, right away. It just depends. It depends on who it is, I guess. So, yeah, that was not even the end of the current tour to force, though. So she's naked for everyone to see at the date. And then they have the cocktail party. And I believe the cocktail party is like on a rooftop somewhere downtown.

So many downtown rooftops. I didn't know they were all available. It's really weird. I think it's hard to figure out a place to bring in 15 people, privately for a party. Sure. And LA does not have enough outdoor drinking, like in general.

There's not enough outdoor bars, so I don't get it. Have you ever been to tenants of the trees in Silver Lake? No, but this has just been coming up a lot in my world lately. Oh, because it would be a great location for a bachelor date. Really? Yeah, it's indoor, outdoor. There's a performance space.

So you could do some kind of culminating. Like, they could have the date. Like, this is what they could have done at tenants of the trees that I think would have been great. You can weigh in as a producer. So Corinne wins. She drives off with Nick, whatever, fine, fine. Then they have the cocktail party.

And what would have been really mean if you do it at a place like 10 to the trees is there's like the indoor or the outdoor, the regular, like, oh, can I steal you? Oh, can I borrow you? Fine. And then at the end, you reveal there's some great performance waiting for Corinne. That's her reward for winning. And then like Nick and Corin go into the performance space. Everyone else has to just like sit around and wait, like hear what's happening, but not be part of it. So it would be really mean.

I think didn't Deserate. take a guy, like, I think Desiree did that with a guy on a group date. I think, that sounds familiar. Des had a really high number of private concerts. Yeah. And they were all awkward. She actually took Chris, I think, who she ended up, who I know she ended up with. I think he was the ones she took on that one.

Is she pregnant? Or, like, have their baby. She was a baby. Yeah, they're like, really together. Yeah. He was great. He seems so, like, normal. He's a very normal guy.

Yeah, you could tell. Norm court, Chris. I'm happy for them. They're big Seahawks fans. Yeah. So he's from Seahawks. She seems like she just adopted his life. Like she just was like, okay, I'm ready.

Well, she was sort of like a wanderer, right? Wasn't she? Yeah, Des was a wanderer. She was just looking for someone to take her in. Let's get back to Corinne, though. So Corinne at the final cocktail party, first of all was wasted. It's just so drunk the whole time she was there.

And she kept interrupting all the other dates. Like she got three like one-on-ones with Nick before anyone else got any. That's when Taylor, Fatal Attraction, Taylor, really started to lose it. Like, she was just so pissed that Corinne was interrupting. So at one point, Nick says to Corinne, I've been really impressed with you, which to me really stood out because that's like admitting that it's a competition, you know? It's sort of like telling a draft prospect, like great, great stuff from you. Like, you know, your shooting looks really good. I think, but I think he sees a lot of himself in her, right?

Like those are total Nick moves. Nick showed up at Andy's hotel room in Belgium or something. You know what I mean? And like, that was his thing. He would, like, he would just do it on his own and sort of disregard recommendations from everybody else. And I feel like that's what she's doing. So that's cool.

I guess. Although it's just hard. It's hard to imagine that the people, like, who are making the show aren't, like, really pleased with what she's doing. Because it's great television. I mean, like, here I am. I've been talking about her for, like, almost 20 minutes. She's, and, but, like, it's just, I don't know.

I can't stand her. So he tells her that she's doing really well. and they make out, of course. A lot. I mean, I can't believe that it's episode two and Nick hasn't had sex. I thought he would, I think episode three it's got to happen. How many people has he made out with so far? Almost like all of them.

Feels like it. A lot. Like, it must be some kind of record or something like I am. I don't know. It was great. It was just impressive. He seems like he's having a lot of fun. You can also tell it's very hot.

And I remember when they were filming this, there was a heat wave in L.A. And, like, really shows. They're all, like, not really that clothes. It really was obvious in the Danielle date because he was sweating so much during that one. We'll talk about that one later. But yeah, Corinne, she just dominated this too. And she started talking to the camera like in third person at one point where she was just, she just was like explaining how she's so classy.

When Corinne does stuff, it's really classy. And when Taylor interrupts, it's just rude and directed at her. Like Ricky Henderson. Yeah, that's great. The best. I'm happy that we have a full-fledged feud coming. Like you can tell Taylor and Corinne are going to keep going at it. because Corinne needs some kind of oppositional force

to keep her even like somewhat. We need some balance in the universe. Yeah, exactly. And it seems like they're kind of like they're going to gear up against her. It feels like that's where everything is going. But she's like the villain. I get that sense.

Well, whether she's the villain, she's the frontrunner, right? Everyone is sort of intimidated by her. So. I was surprised she got the rose on the group date. It's hard to tell what the criteria was, because it was it was Franco Lacosta making the choice, right? Like, Franco...

No, he didn't give out the rose. Nick gave her the rose. Oh, at the party. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I was talking about the... No, at the cocktail party. Like, I was just surprised.

I really thought Taylor was going to get it after listing her laundry list of accomplishments. But maybe it's good. Maybe it, like, shows all the other women. Like, it's okay to just be aggressive and come out, you know, steal time with me. Get what you want. Yeah. And that's what Taylor did.

That's why I thought she was going to be, like, rewarded for going to the Korean playbook. But no, he's into Corinne. I'm into Corinne. God, I guess a lot of people are. She's not the true villain yet anyway, because Liz is at least this week's villain. And we're going to actually call Jade to talk about Liz. Yes. Every year I make a New Year's resolution to eat better.

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Yeah. Jade, your friend Liz was the star of last night's bachelor. Your wedding. The phrase Jade and Tanner's wedding was said like a minimum five times. It was insane. I mean, I guess I'll take it, but it was quite the episode. Okay. So I just have so many questions about how Liz ended up on the show. Did she want to be on the show before she knew Nick was The Bachelor, or did she go specifically to reconnect with Nick? She specifically went to go to reconnect with Nick. However, I was always encouraging her to go on the show just because I had such a positive experience.

Yeah, you met Tanner. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like the first time I was like, Liz, you should really do the show. But when she found out Nick was the Bachelor, she was like, I'm going to make a video. And that's kind of how it happened. and I sent a video over to some producers because it was like two weeks before the show started filming and I mean, that's kind of just how it happened. And had they not, had she asked you for his number at any point

in the nine months between your wedding and when filming began? You know, I guess kind of like she started seeing somebody kind of in the spring and so, I mean, obviously he wasn't on her mind, but she actually worked for a charity and I did a big fundraiser in Kansas City in August And she was like, you know what? She was like, well, you, because I had a bunch of, bunch of bachelor family come. She was like, well, you ask Nick for me because I kind of want to see him.

I was like, oh, really? And so I reached out to him, and he wasn't able to make it because there were big things in the work. And so kind of in a, you know, roundout way. She was, like, trying to reach out to him, but it just, you know, it just didn't work out. How, I don't know if you've spoken to her, but how is she feeling about the edit she's received so far? I mean, she's pretty frustrated. She was rightfully so. I think she comes off like who she is.

I don't know her that well, but I hung out with her at your wedding. Yeah. It's weird how... Sorry, go ahead, Jane. No, go, you go. I'll go after. I just think if she was just frustrated that the whole, like, we had sexing was so emphasized and kind of like played out when she does have so many like great you know character traits and she's amazing human.

I feel like people got to see more of the authentic side to her when she actually read that letter to Nick in front of all the girls even though it was super awkward. I felt like that like she felt like she needed to speak or treat about it. You know what I mean? Sure. Yeah. The letter was interesting. I was wondering how long she spent on it.

Like when did she write it? It was written for this. the date, was it written before that? Because it was pretty epic. And also, I just want to say it was well written. Good job. Good job, Liz. Yeah. You know, from what I know, I think she just wrote it then and there. I think they had a little bit of time to get their skits together to, you know, to break up with Nick. And I think that's kind of the route she took. Right. They, it made it, it seemed like she pretty much only talked about her and Nick to Kristen, like the entire time she was in the house. It seemed like that was like the focal point of what was going on for her. I'm sure that wasn't the case.

but it definitely seemed that way. Yeah, I mean, I do know that when she got into the house, that was pretty much anything and everything that was like, you know, all of her interviews kind of surrounded that and that was kind of her storyline. And so I feel like even though it looks like that's all she talked about, I'm sure there was other things that she talked about, but no one wants to see those. It's not the juicy drama.

Sure. Are you surprised at how Nick has responded to her? Because he hasn't really been that positive. Like, I thought, I think, I thought that she, she would be on for more than two episodes. I mean, I honestly thought she would be on for more than two episodes. Otherwise, I would have told her don't do it. You know, I told her to hold on to that storyline for as long as possible.

I said, you know what, keep it to yourself. Don't tell anyone until you're comfortable. Don't talk to Nick about it until you're completely comfortable. But it's hard when you're in there and you're so nervous. But I feel like Nick, I mean, I wish he would have handled it differently. I'm actually, I am friends with Nick. So I was like, what are you doing? I felt like he

was almost like he was embarrassed. She was there and he didn't know how to get rid of her the right way, but he was just trying to get rid of her. He looked at her. He looked pissed during her speech on the date. Like I didn't know Nick could look that angry. It was like, like, if he looked wounded when he was confronting Andy, he was, like, furious when Liz was confronting him.

I saw it more just like, what? the fuck is happening. Yeah, I mean, there was that too, but she was just blowing up his spot in front of all these women who were like, is this real? Well, I mean, he didn't give her the time of day. He wouldn't, I mean, they were at that museum. He wouldn't even look at her. She was trying to talk to him and he was acting like she was some sort of disease.

So maybe she was like, you know what? I'm just going to put this out here. You don't want me here. So this is how I'm going to take control. I don't know. That's me totally putting words in her mouth. Do you think she would have left if he hadn't dismissed her? Yeah, I feel like she would have.

When she got home and she called me, she was saying, like, she didn't feel like there was any chemistry when she saw him again and that she felt rejected already. Like, he had his walls up the minute she walked in. So there was just, I think she would have left. It's tough. That's a tough spot for both of them. Yeah, for sure.

No, I do see both sides. It's kind of awkward. What do you say to the people who say that she only went on because she wanted to be on TV? That, I mean, then you can say that about any and every single bachelor contestant. Certainly can say about Nick. I mean, yeah, fourth time around. You can't just say like, I mean, obviously I understand anyone who takes the lead because it's a great opportunity and it's a unique experience. And every once in a while, someone does find love.

But if you're saying that about Liz, you have to say that about every contestant. That is true. That is true. I think with her the problem was that it just like the gap the nine month gap seemed like hard like hard to for him to ignore if you're in his shoes. But I mean, I certainly get it. They kept harping on the nine months. I thought I was waiting for some kind of. A child?

Yeah. Like in Lizzie, like, and Nick? Oh, by the way. We have a baby. That would really cram his bachelor style. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my thing was definitely his angle.

I'll tell you all of me. What do you mean? I mean, that was his angle that he was going to, like, keep saying to her to, like, protect himself. It's like, oh, well, why haven't you called me in nine months? But, I mean, you have a one-night stand with somebody and you're drunk. And maybe it was really awkward afterwards. Maybe she was still drunk when he asked for her number. And she was like, no, like, don't worry about it.

And then she, you know, got to thinking about him. But she dated someone in the spring. Like, it's not, I mean, I don't know. I mean, he obviously was doing his own things, too. That's true. I mean, he's, you know, and now he's The Bachelor. And he was in Paradise, too. Right. It was tough. I think that she didn't handle the questioning from him that well, but that's okay. I wouldn't handle that well either. When he was. I don't agree. I feel like she kind of shot herself in the foot. Yeah, she did. I felt like she, but I really feel like his wall was so up and she felt really cornered. And she just wasn't, I feel like she felt like she was on the defense and she just couldn't answer anything right. And she kept just digging herself a hole. But it was so, I mean, she just, I don't think she was, I feel like her heart was probably pounding a million times a minute.

Like she didn't know what to do. But I agree. She could have handled it much better, but I think we could have too. Who was partying harder at the wedding? Nick or Liz? Oh, my gosh. I would say Nick, because all the bridesmaids were with me getting ready. And I know there was like an open bar for two hours before the ceremony even started.

So I think. I think everyone was drunk before I even walked down the aisle. Was that your only wedding or did you have like a different ceremony like or some kind of celebration that was not shown on television? No, that was my real wedding. I mean, besides the TV part, it actually felt like my wedding. It was beautifully done. I mean, besides like it being strangely on TV, it was, it was beautiful. It was beautiful.

Yeah. It was great. You guys are such a success story. It is pretty crazy. Sometimes it's weird to think about. We feel pretty normal now, but it's definitely crazy. Do you other friends that you're going to recommend that go on The Bachelor? I don't know after that.

Would you tell Liz to go to Paradise? You know, part of me said yes. Yeah, you think so, Pete? Of course. Why not? Yeah. I mean, not my decision, but. I mean, that's where you met Tanner.

I know. In Paradise is so different. It's much more relaxed. You can just kind of like fill out who you like. It's so different. I would like to say yes. I think she should go on it because I would like people to see the person that I, that I know. And I would like her to find somebody.

And I know that there's other ways to find people, but it may be just because it's so special to me that I would like her to go. Who else from this current season would you like to see in Paradise? Karen. She's amazing. I know everybody. Do you think she's amazing TV or do you like her? because we just talked about her for like 25 minutes. Oh, you did? I, um, okay.

She's like so terrible. It's so good. So it's like, you almost just have to like like like like it because, I mean, anyone who's just like that, you just have to kind of respect it. I find myself watching her and being super annoyed

but a smile on my face. Is that weird? No, I get it. I mean, you're through the system too. Like you get, you understand why we, why Karen is the way she is.

is. Like, I think you probably get it having been on the show. Yeah. I mean, if I would have been on the same season as her, I would have hated her, but I think she's great TV. She is good TV. She's certainly keeping us busy. I could, like, barely keep one thought straight when talking about her because she's so ridiculous. Yeah. Any other updates from you and Tanner? You guys going to be back in paradise yourselves, some cameos? You guys are kind of like the wise married couple. Yeah, I mean, I would always go back. It's fun. I like, I like being there and seeing the new couples and being a part of the bachelor family, but I don't know. I mean, it's always up to the show, whether they, they want to see us again or not. But nothing really big happening right now in our

lives. I mean, we always talk about it. We're building a house. It's taking forever. Tanner just got me a horse for Christmas. Oh, my God. Tanner. Yeah, I know. So we're taking on that. How extravagant. How are Carly and Evan doing? They're so good. We, We were, I was just in, like, wine country and, like, Napa with Carly, and we were kind of shopping wedding venue. So, they're great. Yeah. Good for them. Maybe Liz can go to their wedding, too, and meet someone there.

There we go. Okay. Thanks for calling, Jade. We appreciate the insight. Yeah, of course. It was great talking to you. Thanks. Bye, Jay Ro.

Bye, Pete. One thing we did not discuss with Jade, but I just need to address here. Liz's final romper that she was wearing when she got dismissed. Yeah, because that back tattoo is a monster. It is really big. I wonder if she knows how big it is. It's not like she can see it. So she might not be aware.

And when you see it from front, it's like, I want to just know what it is because it's so big that it begs the question of like, it was weird. Is it covering something out? I was wondering if it covers up a different tattoo. I don't know. It looks like a wreath,

but like for motorcycle people or something. I don't really know what that is. Yeah, exactly. I don't really know what that means. That's what I was thinking of. Like all these pissed off bikers. Like, what's that supposed to be? I'm sorry, it's what it reminded me up.

It was one of the worst outfits, and I was upset because I liked Liz's opening night dress a lot. I thought she looked really good. Yeah, she looked totally different. In like every shot, almost. Yeah. She did get a pretty ridiculous cut. Like there was one scene where,

where she, you hear her voice over talking from an interview talking about her and Nick, and she's like chopping stuff with someone sleeping behind her on the floor. So I don't know if you remember this. You actually can read about it on the ringer.com and Roger Sherman's recap, which is very funny. And it just makes her seem like a psychopath. She's like chopping some fruit with some girls passed out behind her on the floor. And it's just Liz as like the other girls are socializing. She's on her own.

And it was, it was rough. It was so funny, though. Great job by the show. It's very, well, it's just very hard to chop anything. and have people not assume that you're contemplating murder or something. Right. Especially on her online form or whatever, her application, it says, like, she had this line, but like, I would never, one thing I would never want to do in blank,

and for her, it said, kill someone. So it's a really weird compliment. You just done your homework. You know, this is my trade. Bachelor. Got to do your research. Bachelor, basketball. Yeah.

One other B, Battlestar Galactica, just kidding. Liz had to finally leave the show because Nick sent her home saying that was it for them. And they were at a nightclub at Hollywood and Highland, which was empty because they had probably secured it for filming. So then Liz walks out of this empty mall slash club. And it's so sad. I can't think of any place worse be broken up with than in Hollywood and Highland. Just cruising down Hollywood Boulevard. Horrible.

Just awful. El Coppicton Theater across the road. And like just so all these. bright lights around you. But that intersection at night is like sad because it's kind of deserted. It's just, it's not cool. Yeah. A couple tourists and like a dude in a Spider-Man costume.

Yeah, or like I'm a tin man from Wizard of Oz. And that's it for Liz. And now she's really cleared the way for Corinne to be the one and only villain. But you bachelor people like Corinne. So it's kind of crazy. She's sort of like Ashley I's kind of who she reminds me of. Who I also love. Yeah.

And I was going to say, I've come around on her though. Because she's become more of like a character. Well, here's a thing. She's smart and she's unapologetically herself, which is the same as Corinne. They're just like, they just do them. Were you bummed out that Corinne's sister, sorry, Ashley's sister wasn't more fun in Paradise? No. She, I think I can safely say, as Lauren's a good friend of mine, she is a monster pain in the ass.

That definitely came across Laura and I. Laura Iacono, that's their name? Ayakenei. Ayakinetti. Right, Ashley, Iichinetti. Right, my bad. I wanted more from her. She did let me down. So, Lauren.

Yeah, but she dragged her bags across the sand. Yes, that was ridiculous. So what else do you really need? That's true. That's true. One iconic moment like that was a lot. I also don't listen to pretty smile, so I'm going to miss it. Too bad. Liz is beautiful.

Yeah. Let's get her in Paradise. I'm going to start a campaign. Yeah. I think she needs some redemption. Like Nick. Now we know that that's where you go up for paradise. Like, I mean, that's where you go for redemption.

Jade had like a kind of like a weird storyline, the whole Playboy thing. And then she goes to Paradise and she just finds love. And now she's just like nice Midwestern bride. Yeah. Nick is now the Bachelor after, you know, image rehab again in Mexico. Liz could be the next Bachelorette. Who knows? Liz could be the Bachelorette.

She'd be a great Bachelorette, I think. She's a nurse from me. Vegas. A doula, sorry, a doula from Vegas. That's a great tagline. That's like the first dula on the show for sure. It must be. I mean, doulas didn't exist when the show started. What was that guy's name, Alex, something? Like, it just did not, it wasn't a thing. It wasn't like a hip thing. No, people weren't eating their placentas back then. No. Now that's all the age, obviously. We have placenta pills. Yeah, of course. It's like almost like fairly standard.

Probably like in New York and California at standard practice. And I guess Las Vegas, because That's where she's employed. That's a weird place to be a doula. I think it's a weird place to live if you don't have reason to live there, is my opinion. There's probably tons of pregnancies. Tons, yes. So it's probably like great tons of work as a doula. Always employed.

Maybe she could be the twins, Haley and Emily's dula, if one of them ever has a child. Their show was announced today. I heard about that. That's ridiculous. Are you going to watch that? Probably. Oh, my goodness. I'm not.

I just don't go on record saying. I'm not watching. I don't believe you. I feel like you consume all things, Bachelor. No, I'm not watching. Come on. No. First of all,

I hope it doesn't show their house because I did not like their house. Too many weird photos all around. When they went to their house, it was like, I was just like, nope, this is not a filming location I approve. Let's leave.

And second of all, they're not interesting. I saw them on Ben and Lauren show. They're just like, I don't know. I don't need them in my life. Pretty funny. You're so soft on all these people.

You meet them, and then you like them. Of course, I spend tons of time with them. Hours and hours and hours. Yeah. I know. And then you're like, how can you hate any of them? Unless you're like truly evil, why would you hate them?

Right. And none of them are evil. Right. It seems like Caitlin Bristow was awesome. She's great. Yeah, I really like her. She seems very happy. I'm happy about that.

Yeah. Well, I saw, I didn't see her on Kimmel the other day, but I saw like a lot on the internet about her. Yeah. She's doing great. I think she doesn't like The Bachelor that much. That's what I've heard on the DL. You don't need to comment.

Yeah. Let's move on from that one. Yep. Just like Liz is moving on from us. The only other date we haven't covered yet in this week's podcast was Danielle's one-on-one. And it was like kind of irrelevant. All it was was sort of like background noise while Liz was in the foreground. Like they used Danielle's date to show, to make Liz seem crazy.

So it seemed like the whole time he was off on a one-on-one. She just spent her time talking about Nick. Yeah, but didn't Danielle talk about some heavy stuff with her fiancé? That was a lot for episode too. This is really sad. And I commend Danielle for being so open about it. Danielle was engaged and she found her fiance overdosed on drugs and he had died.

That's like pretty much one of the worst things that can happen to you. Yeah, that's about as bad as it gets. Yeah, it's really sad. I mean, I probably go on The Bachelor too about her because like how else can you possibly think you're going to meet someone or like find love again if it's not like through extraordinary circumstances?

Yeah, a helicopter to a yacht. That looked amazing. It's beautiful. Two Wisconsin, two Sconis. Is that what they're called? I think of the University of Wisconsin. That's a term. Skonies, yeah.

I've never heard that. Well, I like Danielle on very much. She seems very nice, pretty normal. She seemed like a tragedy happened to her. Yeah, but she strikes me as like kind of like a hipster. Yeah, hipster. She doesn't strike me. She's different from the other women.

She's a neonatal nurse. That explains it. Yeah, she also, I mean, there's a lot of like pregnancy-related jobs, I guess. But she just, I don't know. I liked her a lot. She seemed pretty normal. Nick Instagram had a picture of them on a date together, which leads me to believe she doesn't win

because that seems like it wouldn't be allowed. It was that date though, right? Yeah, but still. He's been Instagramming a lot. I know, that's actually an interesting turn. Like, he's sort of like, I don't know, I guess just because Nick is such an anomalous bachelor, sort of like the rules are changing for him a little bit.

Like, he talked to the women about how hard it is to be on a group date, which I thought was actually, like, pretty nice. Like, that was like a nice gentlemanly thing for him to do. I love that. And he said, like, I've done this and I never did it well. Right. It's true he didn't. But that's good.

It's good for them to hear that because it's true. And to pretend like, oh, everyone's first time, like, he's been around the block. So he should share some of his experience. Yeah. I also like how he makes it. He kind of like normalizes the abnormality of it. You know, he's like, yeah, this is weird. Like there's 15 of you and one of me.

Yeah. He doesn't seem comfortable, like, hurting anyone's feelings, which is nice. Like, that's one of the reasons why with him and Corinne, it was, like, such a big deal. because Nick was obviously kind of uncomfortable. Yeah, and yet, you know, they're all kissing, and it's like it's just a big... I know, it doesn't stop him from making out with anyone. I just want to say Ben wouldn't do that, but that's fine. Ben and Nick are very different.

I know. I know. I love Ben so much. It's embarrassing. He hasn't been, like, been on this show in so long, like on The Bachelor and I still talk about him every week. Well, he was on episode one. That's true. I was happy to see him.

Yeah. Great guy. What do you think when you see, like, those four bachelors together? So have you asked. I don't understand why Chris Prince Farming keeps getting the invitation. Like, why? What does he have to offer? He didn't win.

I mean, it didn't work out for him. He chose Whitney. Everyone really weren't going to stay together. He was boring on Andy's season. He, I think his tongue is like, must be like oversized. I don't know why else he speaks so little. Like, I just don't get it. It's really weird.

I don't know why he's allowed to come back. Sean Lowe, I've had a real reversal on him. I did not like him when he was The Bachelor. but now I think he seems like a lot more. He's like loosened up and he seems fun. And he's got a great new haircut. Yeah, he looks good. He looks good.

He's what I call the Jeff. Do you remember Jeff 1F? Yeah. He started kind of started that haircut for all these guys. Who would have thought that Jeff would set the tone for all future guys on The Bachelor? I also love Jeff 1F, but I don't know why. I've heard some weird things about him too. Like he was really just there to be on TV.

That's what I heard. It's hard to say. And no one's heard from him since. Although I once stumbled upon some random Instagram account of Tony Romo, a picture of like Tony Romo and Jeff 1F and like a couple other like random people and they're like good friends. They're like skiing together in Colorado. It's really weird. That's a show. Yeah.

Definitely. Definitely. And then Ben, I just think Ben seems like a really good guy. I don't think him and Lauren are going to make it forever. But I think they'll be together for a while because I bet neither of them like want to break up. I feel like those two can last forever. They're great. I liked her a lot when she came here.

She seemed like actually quite cool. Yeah. Which made me both happy and sad. Because it means you won't get a shot with them. Yeah, exactly. But she seemed really cool. So like good for her that she's cool and good for him that he's got a cool girlfriend. Yeah.

Slash fiancé. Like that's great. But yeah, I don't know how I need to talk to you, but I just need Chris Soles to go away forever. We're done with him. He contributed nothing to this franchise. the only thing he contributed was bringing Caitlin along far enough to get her to be the bacheloret.

And she was a great bachelorette. She was great. She had all the sex. She also really set the stage for Nick. She did. She really did. That's true. Without Caitlin, we wouldn't have Nick.

And I also wouldn't be expecting him to go rogue the way that Caitlin did. How did you feel about spending such a long time in Ireland when you were there? I thought it was great. I just thought it was weird that the show was in Ireland for so long. I guess it was a little different.

Everyone gets so used to like, okay, here's the format. Yeah. By this episode, you're in hometowns. But sometimes that just goes out the window, especially after this many seasons. That's true. And, yeah, in the abnormal Nick situation. Right. But it turned out great because here we are.

Everybody wins. It's true. Everyone wins, except for those of us who hate Corinne, because she's not going away anytime soon. But you and Jade have made me realize that I'll probably come around on her. Yeah, Jade likes her too. So it's not just like a guy-girl thing. No. But Jade sees both sides. Jade having been through the ringer, if you will, she knows her Karen's value, but she also knows that Corinne sucks. I can't imagine having to be in the same

room as Corinne. They've got so, well, they've a lot in common, Jade and Corinne. Really? Name two things. Wow. You seem uncomfortable. They've both sort of appeared topless on the show. That's true. Okay. And they both like Nick in some capacity. That second one's not so good. No. Although I was surprised that Jane didn't seem like done with Nick. That's nice.

Yeah, I don't think she's like taking sides. Like Liz is my friend and now I can't be friends with Nick. I just want to say that if I were Liz, I would ask Jade to do that. I'd be like, this guy embarrassed me on TV and he was rude to me. He's out. He has to be out for you too. As you're made of honor, I'm telling you he's out. I don't know.

Liz needs to own the fact that she came on. She arrived with this in her pocket. I guess that's true. It is really hard to explain why she didn't contact him and thought this was the best way. And her excuse of, well, you were filling Paradise, just doesn't cut it.

No. She could have gotten to him if she had wanted to sooner, I imagine. Yeah. Also, it seems like perhaps she only likes to interact with him when drunk because why else have Jade invite him to this party as like her only means of getting in touch with him.

However, Nick is clearly getting slashed on these dates. So I don't know. It's just the moment passed for them. Yeah. That's okay. Let's wrap it up right there. Great. Thanks so much for coming this week, Pete.

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