The Press Box - Ep. 237: 'Jam Session' With Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: January 19, 2017

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss new celeb power couples (5:00), Drake and J.Lo dating (10:00), the state of Drake's relationships (17:00), Rooney Mara's serious opinions (22:00), Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemons (25:00), Serena's engagement (28:00), Ryan Gosling's style (34:00), and Tom Hiddleston's tone-deaf speech (37:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliet Litman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. Is this our first episode of 2017? It is. We got delayed last week. Right. And also we had the Golden Glob show. Shout out to our friends at the watch. Chris and Andy. Thank you for having us. Yeah, that was fun. Thank you for watching. It was great. It feels like Golden Globes feel like so long ago. So much has happened since. The days they do. Yeah, they are long. That's okay. 2017. We are here. We're choosing to be optimistic in this confined space. Yeah. We're sitting in like a small room. It's not that cool in here. So it's a great place to challenge your optimism to make it look brighter and happier. Yeah, for a little bit anyway.

That's where we are. There's some good stories that we need to touch upon, though. It has been the gossip picked up this year. And thankfully, really just not that Kardashian-centric still. I know. I mean, she did come back. She did come back, that's true. But she has not managed to take over the entire media universe again.

I guess maybe she won't. I guess not. I'm cool with it. Thank you to them for laying love. Yeah, it did, finally kind of the open celebrity marketplace was filled by some new players. Yeah, let's get into it. Okay, so I guess we have kind of the two main ones, the two are two new power couples. And we'll talk about that because what that means.

Yeah, what that means. Drake and J-Lo. Drake and J-Lo. And Selena Gomez and the weekend. What's start with Selena in the weekend? Okay, well, sure. First of all, do you like Selena Gomez? I do.

I do too. I was won over by her carpal karaoke. I really enjoyed her speech at the American Music Awards, which was essentially her version of Fiona Apples. The World is Bullshit. She has given a number of interviews that I like over the years. I like her as a person. I would say her cultural output is not as significant to me.

You didn't watch The Wizards of Waverly Place? I skipped that one. Hands to myself was one of my favorite songs, 2016. It was in my top five on my stuff. Spotify most played. I believe that. And I do remember the like my first few months in LA, we spent a lot of time to each other. Yeah.

Yeah. That was kind of how we established friendship. Yeah. No, I like her. She's not like my number one celebrity, but the vibes are good. I genuinely believe that she is a person who was a child star and is like trying to figure it out and maybe make some mistakes as we're about to talk about. Yes.

But I'm rooting for her. Me too. Also, it seems like she kind of like survived Bieber. Oh my God, yeah. Many do not. Yeah, that's true. That was like probably her first like formative, formative relationship. Yeah.

I think she came out the winner. I mean, she's emerged to be somewhat level-headed. She's a level of self-awareness that I'm not sure he has. Yeah, I was also going to say, you know, she does speak fairly openly about kind of her struggle with anxiety and mental health. And like, it's commendable. I really, really respect that. I respect people who. can be open about that and talk about their struggles. So I admire her for that, even as she is still

like, I think, kind of negotiating those things. Oh, yeah. I mean, she's still super young. She's like, what, 23? Exactly. So we are rooting for Selena Gomez. Yes. And to that extent, I'm hoping her so-called relationship with the weekend and soon. We are concerned. It is a jam session alert. This is, these are bad choices. If we could intervene, we would. You know, like I say to a lot of the younger employees at the ringer every Friday make good choices. Selena Gomez did not make a good choice here. No, she didn't. The weekend is just like, there's a group of people in my life who I just prefer to

like as sketchy friends and they're like the kind of people who like I like I like, you can hang out with them, but you would never like want to introduce them to your parents or even like your real friends who like you wanted their respect entirely. But sketchy friend is exactly right. I don't even like this. I don't know what he does in his time. I don't know if he's a bad person. Me neither, no idea.

We actually have no evidence to that except for the music, and in general, I think it's unfair to read into people's art as a total reflection of their personal lives. But, like, on this one, like my little emoji sign right is twirling around. Well, Bella Hadid also was warning. Yeah, was warning Selena Gomez about him. So this is an interesting squad split, right? Yes. I can't believe I just said that. Please, 2017 is horrible.

I take it all back. She actually was blaming Selena was what happened. He told the weekend that Selena was using him. Oh. Well, I mean, that's just, that's bad form. Sure. Don't get in, even via your representatives, don't get involved. But, yeah, and it's funny.

Like, this incident can't really be referenced without mentioning that both Bella Hadid and Selena Gomez are friends of Taylor Swift. Right, which is. The Taylor Swift? squad is actually really back right now, and I'm not sure if I've told you this, but I really like I don't want to live forever by Zane and Taylor Swift. You have, you mentioned that on the Golden Globes podcast. You are taking opportunities since I like that you are staking that public claim. I really like that song a lot. That's great. I listen to it my car. But that is Taylor Swift,

who is Taylor, Zane, boyfriend of Gigi, and then written, produced by Jack Antonoff, who is Lena Dunham's partner. So that is another like squad song. So even though Taylor's not bad, The squad is like kind of everywhere right now. That's true. Yeah, no, you're right, which is interesting that Selena, a long time Taylor Swift fan, has chosen to. She's like the original friend of Taylor. That's true. Other than the girl in the song who turned like 15 or whatever.

Meredith, Brittany. What's the name of Taylor's Sloth? There's like an Ashley somewhere in there too. Meredith's a cat. Meredith's one of the cats. One of her noted friends. It's like an A name that's not Amanda or something. You're right.

back to Selena on the weekend. So, yeah, so this is not a great choice. That said, what do we know about Selena in the weekend? We know that they were photographed making out behind a dumpster, which again, okay, let's smelly. Yeah, let's talk about those choices. But, okay, they were making out behind a dumpster. At Georgia Ovaldi, which is like a fancy L.A. restaurant.

Oh, yeah, I've been there. Yes. And Rihanna goes there often. Yeah, they're probably waiting for their car in the back or something. And then we're making out behind a dumpster. I have to say if you're going to Georgia O'Baldi together, you know you're going to get photographs. So it was purposeful. Okay.

It's like going to Runyon Canyon to exercise. It's true. Very similar. Anyway, still, what we know is that they went to Georgia O'Baldi together. That's pretty much all we know. So I would like to introduce like the other major power couple of 2017. Okay, please do. Just Drake and J-Lo.

Supposed a couple, right? So they have been spotted. They had dinner last night at Katch in West Hollywood. Are you familiar with it? Yeah, that's another spot right now. That's like a place to like get photographed. The spots right now are Catch. Great.

Delilah. Okay. Which is I think where Jimmy Fallon had his globes after party. That sounds familiar. You're doing a great Staphaun impression right now. I love it. If you want to be photographed in Los Angeles, go to one of these places. Catch.

Delilah. I think Nightingale's like kind of in there. And I know that because that's where Kate Beck and Sail and Chandler Parsons were making out on New Year's Eve. Oh, wow. He had quite a week while we were on our jamst session hiatus at Celebrity Week. Was was also the Kendall Jenner Week?

Yes, exactly. Okay. Yeah, those are like the, those are like kind of like the hotspots right now to be photographed, yeah. So we know that they went to a hotspot to be photographed. There was an Instagram of them cuddling. Yes. It was on Drake's Instagram.

We know that Jennifer Lopez was in Las Vegas when he was performing. On New Year's Eve. Sand out, how much do you think Drake gets paid to perform in Vegas on New Year's Eve? 250,000? Okay. I was going to say half a million. If I were Drake, I would demand half a million. Yeah, I mean.

But as you know, I believe in, like, asking for what you're worth in the celebrity and TMZ space. I guess in Vegas they can just, like, jack up prices for tickets because people do that. Because, like, they, the people who do residency is making an absurd amount of money. Britney Spears makes $50 million a year from her residency. For four days a week, she has to work. I really don't even. Do you know that Jalo's doing how many residency in Vegas in February? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, if I was like that level of artist, I would do it, too, the Baxter Boys are. doing one. I plan to go to it. I can't wait. I want to see Shania sing to a horse. Yeah, that'd be great too. I also like to go to the Celine one. I mean, they pretty much all sound good to me. Jail is the one I'm least interested in, actually. She's quite a performer, though. I guess. I don't like her music that much. Okay. Anyway. New Year's Eve. They're in the same city. Yeah, there's probably one or two more kind of documented. He also, I think, had like an Instagram, like calling her hot or something like that.

Yeah, and I think that there was like a video clip of them dancing to their new song, which is what made people think that it was possibly like a promotional relationship. But anyway, it's definitely been enough that people wanted to overdrive and are like, Jalo and Drake are dating and Rihanna unfollowed Jailo and like, are they getting serious and like houses that Drake and Jailo come by. Okay. Here's what I want to talk about with both of these things.

Okay. Which is that I think that we as a community of people who pay attention to celebrities. Sure. Need to be a lot more exact in the language that we use to describe. celebrity relationships. What to you is the ultimate proof that the relationship is, like, real? Like, there are feelings and there's, like, a commitment and, like, we will be together when there are not cameras around.

Like, what's the number one sign to you? That's a great question. Weirdly, it's that they will willingly make a public appearance together. Like, when they walk the red carpet together, that's kind of a formal declaration of... Like, Jenny Slade and Chris Evans last year in her movie? Yes, it's like, we are together and we are presenting. this as a couple and we are aware that the scrutiny is going to, like, be upon us, but that's, like, here we are.

Right. And you only go through that if you're willing to deal with. If it's worth it. Yeah. If the scrutiny is worth it. Or I guess if your publicists have, like, arranged it for mutually beneficial. Right. Whatever.

It's almost like the officially official nature of a step and repeat is, like, confirms it. I think I'm not even really trying to litigate feelings here. Juliet, if we could, I know that Jambo's. session stays PG-13 most of the time, but here's what I'm trying to distinguish from, which is like people dating and attractive people fucking, which is like definitely, I'm sure that Drake and J-Lo have had a really nice time, and they should, they are too rich, attractive people. I am sure that Selena and the weekend, like, I hope it didn't happen behind a dumpster, but like I'm sure that there's something going on there. Are they dating? Are they in a relationship?

No. It's 2017. Like, we need to use language that reflects the times, and the way that people are intermingling in romantic or sexual ways. I just want to say I actually don't believe that Jailo and Drake have even fucked. Really? No. Oh, I definitely think that that's like, why wouldn't they? I don't know. Possibly stand in their way.

I think she probably has like some other secret relationships we don't know about. I think she's got a lot of secret shit happening. Yeah, I'm sure she does too, but like why couldn't it include like a few nice times with Drake? Maybe. The dark web, you probably got caught winded this, suggests that this is uncouth. confirmed that J-Lo and Mark Anthony slept together and that's why he's getting divorced. Wow. Yes.

Oh, that's exciting. That's what I'm reading on the dark internet of rumors. J-Lo can and should have it all is kind of where I am. I like her. I mean, who hasn't seen it out of sight and been like, yeah, J-Lo, love that woman. Yeah. Or my personal favorite, the wedding planner, which in retrospect is so problematic and offensive, it's hard to rep for it, but I still like to watch it in secret in my own home.

But there's so many things wrong with it. It's, like, insane. That's a really tough one. It's really tough. But it's, like, probably the best rom-com in the state of California, other than Jerry McGuire. It's, like, up there. Wow.

I have never actually thought about, I guess I've thought about rom-com locations with respect to you. You've got mail in New York. And. Well, the Nor-Fron ones are so, like, rooted in place. But, like, everyone else that, you know, it's just, there's not a lot of good ones in California, in my opinion. Wow, I guess all my favorite rom-coms are set in New York in London. Oh, yeah, in London, too.

There's a couple good ones, obviously. Nani. I mean, Nani kills an Alzheimer. PSA, Bridget Jones Diary back on Netflix, the original. Oh, it is? Yeah. My parents watch Bridget Jones's baby recently. Oh, yeah. And they both loved it.

Yeah, great. And they've been listening to, like, the soundtrack ever since. So it made me really happy. We had a great time. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, back to, here's the thing. Everyone now loses their mind.

This happened with Drake and Taylor Swift. Drake and Taylor Swift were, like, in a booth, and suddenly people are being like, do you think, Like, if they get married, XYZ. People got to calm down. I know. Like, the taboids have to calm down. We have to calm down.

Like, it's cool. It's exciting that these people are having sex. Let's just be excited about the fact that they're having sex. Like, oh, that's interesting, and now they'll move on to the next one. Sure. But, like, everyone needs to cool it. Right. And to be specific and to not freak out that everyone is suddenly getting married all the time.

It's really weirdly retro. Yeah, it's really retro. That's a great point. Also, like, why give them the free publicity for, like, just hooking up? Like, I don't know. That is also true because it's interesting. Like, in both these cases, we would not talk about, we definitely would not talk about the weekend or Selena Gomez, were they not seen together? So it's sort of, like, why be their pawns?

Like, I don't know. Why accept that role? I completely agree with that because I do think they've all figured out that being in a famous couple is, like, the best way to get public. and extra attention. Yeah. I mean, think about how much of our time is spent on. Like, all anybody wants to talk about is who's sleeping with who. Sure.

In any field. Any level of fame. Yeah. Like, in any industry, really. Sure. That's also, like, what people like going to conferences, because then, like, first of all, great opportunity for, like, a random hookup. So then, even better, talking about them for, like, weeks and, like, even years after,

like, oh, remember that one conference where, like, there's a lot of movies based around this premise and, like, TV shows. Yeah, that's true. Also, you know what I miss the most about. I've been in L.A. for a year now. Yeah. And I really miss, like, that third-tier gossip of just being like, oh, did you hear that so-and-so-and-so-and-s. Yeah, like random people.

I don't have that anymore. Really miss it. Gotta get you some third-tier friends. Not first-tier, only third-tier. Not even third-tier friends, just, like, people, like, kind of know. Like third-tier LinkedIn connections. Oh, they're sleeping. Yeah, they're cool.

That's interesting. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah, so anyway, the celebrities know that we're interested in this, and they're playing us. Yeah, they are. But you have to, we need to be better about how we reward our attention. Here's my thing about Drake. Yeah.

Drake sleeps with strippers. Like, that's kind of like what he's, who he's interested in. That's okay. Cool. Go for it. But, like, most of the other relationships are staged. Like, even the Rihanna one, I think is, like, there's, I'm sure they've fucked. But, like, I don't think it's as quaint as many people make it out to be.

Yeah, that's a great point. There's a great, very early ringer article called, um, Has Drake ever really had a girlfriend by Lindsay's whole heads in which Lindsay makes the case that he's never actually been in a real relationship, which I do too. I wonder if he's ever actually been like in real love, which is a different conversation. And I'm not trying to regulate that. And we may never know, but based on. I want to go with yes. At least he thinks he was.

He thinks he has, which is different than having been in love. Wow. Deep thoughts. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just thinking about it. It's interesting. Drake is just an onion. There's so many liars to him. It's so true. I'm looking forward to his new record. I am too, mostly because of the... You know what, though? I was listening to work on my run.

I've been listening to Anti a lot. I've been listening to Hire. I love hire. I mean, obviously, love on the brand's amazing, but... I really, every Drake Rihanna song is just kind of where I want to be. They're great. They're really, really good. Too good is good, too. That's what I was thinking of. Anyway, so here's my goal for 2017. Great. Jam session resolution. Great. Jam session resolution. We and the community around Jam session are going to be more exact in how we talk about celebrity relationships. I support that wholeheartedly.

We're going to DTR everything, for real. That's actually a good segment for us. Maybe we'll start it next week. A DTR. We'll take a random rumor relationship and explain what's really happening. I think we should start doing that. DTR of the week. Great.

I'll be all looking forward to it. All right. Okay. Moving on. to some real couples. Let's talk about who got engaged. Oh, wow. The engagement section. We'll start with the more minor one to everyone but me.

Big news, the Mara universe. I'm obsessed with the Mara family. Kate Mara and Jamie Bell are engaged. And Kate Mara famed one of my tweets about Jamie Bell. So that was really exciting for me. So we know it's, I feel like that was the confirmation that it's actually happening.

So she tweeted like Bell is the best and her family not only owns the Giants, but they also own the the Pittsburgh Steelers. And she was clearly watching the Steelers game last weekend, as I'm sure you were, Amanda. I actually was, and I was really mad about it. I watched the Packers Cowboys game and was like, wow,

football is exciting and Aaron Rogers is a stud. And then the other game was still on and it was like 9-12 and I was like, I hate you. This is boring, yeah. So anyway, Kate Marrow was watching her family's team and she was like, Bell is the best and I quoted it and responded. And it was like Jamie or Levion and she paved it. And I'm really sorry that I just shared a story about my own Twitter,

but it was so exciting that I just needed to get it out there. And that's how we know it's real. Kate and Jamie are for real. The only thing is Jamie only tweets about the Giants. He has no Steelers pride. So I just wonder if that's going to be a problem in their relationship. Well, he did also just learn about the Giants like last year. He just learned that American football is different.

So I feel like he did the Giants first, and then he can move on to the Steelers. You know? Yeah. He's early in the thing. I actually, I once interviewed Kate Myra, and I asked her, like, you can only have one. Sure. Steelers or Giants. And she was like, well, you know, that would never actually happen in the Super Bowl, so I'm fine.

That's true. Actually, that could happen. Could it? I don't really know. NFC versus AFC. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. I swear that's what she told me, though.

I'm not a sports reporter. Anyway, she told me that they were equally important to her, so maybe they just started with Giants and then moved on to Steelers. Rooney Mara's name is not actually Her first name is not Rooney The family, the Steelers' ownership family is the Roonies Right So I was wondering if Kate is like the token Giants fan

And Rooney is the Steelers fan Oh interesting That's always in my working theory based on nothing but Rooney's name That she chooses to go by You think Rooney Mara is like really into I think Rooney Mara definitely like Has opinions that like might change But while she holds them they're like extremely serious

Oh yeah that's a quick DTR Oh, my God. When McCain, Phoenix and Rooney Mara. Yes. I'm going yes on that one. All right. By the way, her first name is Patricia. So that's why she probably shows Rooney.

Can you imagine she was Patty Mara? Listen, I actually think Patty's a lovely name and so it's Patricia. It's really different. Rooney Mara's like general aesthetic. It would be so different if she was like Trish. It's just so different. It's really funny to think about. God.

There's so much happening in this space. I know. I definitely, I don't believe Waukeen Phoenix does anything half, half-heartedly is my take on walk. Yeah, I guess that's true for better or worse, probably. Anyway, Kate and Jamie Bell are engaged. Congratulations. I'm just so excited. They're kind of like more like the Kennedys, the Mara family, than the Kennedys are themselves at this point.

So I'm just like excited about it. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, they're just really rich. They've got kind of like a pure public image. They're like sort of artsy. No one's running for office. yet, but who knows? We'll see.

We'll see what happens in the future. Next engagement. Kirsten Johnson, Jesse Plymouth. That's an exciting one. I'm thrilled for them. First of all, I love the television show Fargo, so that's great news for Fargo. Although, neither will probably be back on the show. That's fine.

Yeah, but they had a great run in season two. She's really had an incredibly impressive career. She's a legend. Also, you know, she's also spiritually important to us as well as being an amazing actress. I just honestly, I cannot think about her without thinking about the drinking wine with Jake Jelinehall and eating salad with Jake Jalenhall photos, circa 2004. I will bring her up forever. She's just to, I mean, think about everything she's been through, like from interview to the vampire to, I mean, ER, which is my personal favorite role of hers, where she was Charlie, Marie Transnet, the Jake Jellenhall years. Oh, my God.

The Garrett-Hedland years. I forgot about the Garrett-Hedland years. I think everyone did. Now she's, like, back acting. Like, she's, like, a, like, respected actress again. She's good in Hidden Figures. She was a mean lady. Have you watched that yet?

I did. I saw it. Absolutely delightful, right? Just what a fantastic time. Here's what I have to say about Hidden Figures. I mean, every single person, every single performance in that movie is excellent. Somehow, also, I had missed the fact that Mahershula Ali is like just the dream boat in it, which, I mean, he's the dream boat and everything. But I was just like, oh, you're here.

I know. This is great. As you know, I love the film Apollo 13. Actually, do you know that? No, I didn't. I loved a film Apollo 13. It's very nerve-wracking. Yeah, but so what I would say is any film that centers around the drama of, like,

will the heat shield hold? Yeah. It's like, great by me. Highest form of drama. I'm here. You accept it. I accept. All the clothes and hidden figures were amazing.

Yeah, fantastic. Kind of except for Curison Dunst. She sort of got, like, I thought, lamer, like, workwear. As she should. Yeah. I mean, her character deserves it. She's playing a terrible racist white lady. Yeah.

Yeah. She does it well. Yeah. I don't know what to say about that. She is good in it. She has a little bit of redemption at the end. But yeah, it's like a really good movie, and it's like cool that she's in it. I don't know.

I feel like that movie has such a good cast with so many talented people that, like, if you... I basically think if you get to be acting alongside Octavia Spencer and Taraji Pianson, particularly Taraji, like you're lucky. Like, you should just say thank you. I agree with that. So, like, you know, I'm happy where Curis and Dense. She got to be a part of it. That's true. I hope it had that movie has a good Oscar run, and we get more Dunst and Plyman.

We need the red carpet photos now. I wonder, yeah, I guess they will walk the red carpet now because they're going together. Yeah, I'm thrilled for them. Me too. Were you really into Friday Night Lights when it was on? Of course. I caught up like a couple of years ago. Yeah.

And I like it, but like I remember people just like loving Landry. Did you love him at the time? I mean, I liked Riggins. Oh, of course. I don't know. The problem of Landry is he got this shitty season two storyline with the murder or whatever, but he, or homicide, I suppose. But I just feel like I could never have predicted this Plymouth's takeoff.

It's pretty amazing. It's bright night lights, breaking bad in Fargo. And isn't he in some like movies that people like? Yeah, I assume so. I can't really remember. He's just like in, he's like both really like mainstream popular and like in the hipster circuit, which is hard to do. Congrats to them.

I know. That's great. It's a great couple. Love is alive in 2017. And then finally. Yes. Wait. Before we get to that finally.

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Okay. You were about to, on the tip of your telling, you had one more couple to address. Yes. So we have one more in the engagement section. Yes. What a year we're having. I know. I think this was technically the end of 2016. Serena Williams. Oh my goodness. Yes. We have not been able to talk about this. No. So here's what I want to say. Okay. I love Serena Williams. I know you don't. She just like means the world to me. I just want her to be happy. She's bad ass. She wants to marry the Reddit guy. That's great. Let's call him Alexis. Alexis.

Okay. I wish her nothing but happiness and I support her decisions. That said, I don't even know what I'm saying that said. Could you share with us how we learned about Serena's engagement? Do you remember? Yes. She posted a photo. Yeah.

To the website Reddit. Not just a photo. Also a poem. And a poem, I forgot. She posted a poem about her engagement. And by all accounts, it sounds like an amazing engagement story, which is that they apparently met in Rome. I think they only met last year while she was playing in the Rome open.

And he surprised her, flew her back to the same restaurant and the same table where they first met and proposed. It's really sweet. You know what? If you've got the funds to do that, it's great. Amazing. I love Rome. Great city.

Rome is a fantastic city. Yeah. So that's lovely for them. actually love a surprise engagement as long as it does not as it does not involve a crowd component. Yeah. As you know. Yeah, it sounds great. I think that I just want more for Serena than writing a poem about her engagement on Reddit.

On your boyfriend's platform that he like. Yeah. Like in some way he's making money off of that poem by like her using the platform. Yeah. I just also, I don't. She just feels very basic and she's the opposite of basic. 100%. She's like, could not be less basic. She's a trailblazer. She's one of a kind. I'll probably never see a female athlete like her again. She is like the definition of a winner.

She's cool as shit. Yes. There's just like there's what bad can you say about Serena Williams without like even if you could like raise a quick some kind of critique. There's like definitely a counterpoint. Like, well, there's no unqualified criticism of her. And I agree with you. As you know. It's just like you expect a little bit more from like a pillar of celebrity culture and of sports. Yes. It's very true.

She's like, she is the greatest female athlete of all time and like a top 10 athlete ever, period. I completely agree. Yeah. It's amazing. So that said today, or I guess yesterday because I don't understand how time zones worked, she was asked at the Australian Open after her first match. So I'm like really gross. Like, oh my God, are you so excited by your engagement? Does it change what it means to be like a person for you?

And she was just basically like, it's nice. I haven't thought about it. I'm just trying to win. Love it. I'm doing this afterwards. And he was shown on TV, and the Kaira with his name said, like, Alexis O'Hanian, and then his description was S. Williams' fiancee. Amazing.

Yeah, just incredible. I love it. I'm really happy for her. Also, she was wearing Nikes for the engagement, so always on brand. She's very dutiful with her brand loyalty. She is. Which I support. She's a business woman, too.

You know? So congrats to them. Yeah. I wonder what kind of wedding they'll have. Probably be ridiculous. I hope it's not Sean Parker style where, like, he had that crazy Lord of the Rings wedding. You just never know with tech guys, you know? They got some delusions of grandeur.

I trust Serena. Do you? I don't know. Actually, my one critique of her is of her style. I actually don't usually love her style. I like her post-conference looks very often, but I don't like a lot of her sort of like high-minded fashion, which I'm sorry if that's wrong.

You know, she takes risks. She does. And sometimes they don't work and sometimes they do. That's true. See, you can't, there's no unqualified critique. That's true. Well, we, we, shout out to them. Congrats to them.

Next topic. I think that concludes engagements. Concludes engagements for now. Yeah. But Young in 2017. It's not even the third week of January. It's really early. It feels like it's been a lot longer.

New Year's E feels like so long ago. Yeah, wow. And you know who now feels that they've been together forever, but they have not? Prince Harry and Megan Markle. Megan Markle met Kate Middleton and Princess Charlotte. That's a really big deal. This is so real. It's pretty cool.

It's great. So I have a question for you. Now that I've watched The Crown. Yes. Will Harry be allowed to marry a divorced woman? Yes. That is totally gone. The most unfair thing about that whole Princess Margaret story in the Crown,

which I'll give the two-second version, in the 50s, if you're a member of the royal family, you weren't allowed to marry a divorce person because the church had rules. Basically why Edward stood. Yes. abdicated. Yes. And then, though, the Camilla Parker Bowles thing was, like, a big deal.

Exactly. That was true in the 50s, and it was totally expired by the 90s because every single person in the royal family got divorced. Right. And it's just like, including Princess Margaret, right. Got divorced from her husband who died last week, actually, Lord Snowden. No relation to Eric, to. No.

Edward. I almost called him Edward. Edward. I almost called him Eric, then Evan, but his name is Edward. Yeah. So Prince Charles is now married to Camilla Parker Bowles, who's a divorcee, so it doesn't matter. Right. But he did get married after Diana died, right? Yeah, I think. Yeah, they were still married when, right? Or no, they were divorced. They were divorced, but it was very recent. I think he got married, like, almost 10 years later.

Right. Yeah, so that's on the table. That's really exciting. Also, suits come back on January 26th. So great timing for her show. I'm really into it. And it is like a new phase of the show, like Gina Torres, who, um, was seen very briefly on Westworld and was one of the leads on suits left the show. And so she, it's sort of like a new chapter now because she's out. So Megan Markle is now like the kind of like, she used to be one of three lead women. Now she's like one of two. She's the co-female lead.

I bet she'll get more airtime than Sarah Raffordy, who plays Donna, the Redhead. So she's coming up in the world. I'm very excited. I have to say. You know, well, Charlotte's pretty cute. Pretty cute. They're both cute. Yeah.

Do you know that I predicted Charlotte's. name perfectly. Do you know that I predicted George's name? Oh my god, we're great. We're so good at this. We found each other. Yeah, I took a screenshot of it to prove that I had the idea. That one was harder. That's pretty good. The boy, you could just like pick King's names and it was fine. Sure. Sure. I just, you know, I just thought future king, current queen, dead, dead mother. Is that horror? Yeah, exactly. Okay. We're introducing a new segment. And this will be fun. because we have not told each other our answers beforehand.

And the name of this segment is Still Not Over It. And it's one celebrity moment we've not previously discussed. Or maybe the future will be one we just need to come back to. And we will relive the horror or the joy, depending on what it is. Would you like to go first or shall I? I'll go first. Okay. I don't know since you just threw it to me.

Okay, I'm still not over it. This is so predictable. Ryan Gosling. Oh, God. Okay, but hold on, hold on, hold on. I knew that whatever. Okay, I have a new entry into kind of this whole thing. I can't wait.

I believe last Friday or last week on the Graham Norton show. Yeah, I love that show. It's a great show. And the reason it's a great show is because they do things like this. On one night, on one couch, they had Ben Affleck, Sienna, Emma Stone, Ryan Gosling. Amazing. Which is, like, just a study in how to be a movie star right now. Seriously.

A study in charisma and bloating and many of us. other things. But Ben Affleck looked miserable. He's really not enjoying his press tour right now. Sienna Miller looked like Sienna Miller. And then Emerson and Gosling were both so charming. Really? What were they like together? They just, it was great. I got to check this out. They were telling the story about doing

dirty dancing on the lift on Today Show. And in crazy stupid love. And how it didn't go well. So, but you know, the rhythm they have downpestown. and then they showed a video of Ryan Gosling on Star Trek and the way that he reacted. It's just he is a very singular presence. He really is. I was rewatching some clips from Moonlight. I mean, excuse me, from Wall Island.

Opposite of Moonlight. And he just has, like, great rhythm. And he's not a classical, like, great dancer, but he just has, the way he moves is just, like, pretty incredible. He has a physical presence as well as an emotional presence. On the topic of Graham Norton, I was just referencing my own social media twice in one episode. It's great. I once, like, he does have great combinations. And one time in October 2013, he had James Corden, way pre-American fame, James Corden,

Katie Perry, Paul McCartney, Chris Hemsworth, and Natalie Portman, all in one couch. That's incredible. Yeah. He really has, like, some of them. Wow, look at that photo. So amazing I Instagrammed it. That's why I was able to remember it. He has him and like just great, I guess some great combinations.

I guess that's two from Live By Night and two from Lawland. Have you seen Live By Night? Not yet. It's supposed to be good. No. But I'm going to have a great time. The other thing is about Gosling is that his speech was just incredible with the Golden Globes. I have thought a lot about it.

Yeah. It was really good. It was just like really beautiful and I don't know. And like kind of like it didn't really seem that planned. Like it seemed like he had probably decided like roughly what he would say if he won. but it wasn't like word for word, which was really sweet. It was from the heart. Yeah, for sure.

That leads into my still not over it. Yes. Tom Hiddleston. Just really not over it. Just not over it. He gave the most toned-off speech of the Golden Globes about how people in South Sudan are watching the night manager and how meaningful it is to him.

Just a really tough look for him. The only thing is it clearly wasn't malicious. And the next day he apologized, which I really commend him for. Doing the public apology is tough to do and like hit the right note. But I feel like he kind of saved himself a little bit with that. And now he's like definitely on

some kind of redemption tour because there was like a page six story that had pictures of him with like a mysterious brunette and turned out to be a journalist. Taffney Ackner. Yeah. Brouser.

Yeah. Taffy Brutasser Ackner. Oh, right. And I just feel like he's really like trying to overhaul his image. He must have, I don't know, the Taylor thing. I think... Talking about DTR, Taylor and Tom,

never a thing. And he must really be feeling the after effects of it. I think the Taylor and then the speech of the Golden Globes, we said this a bit after the night of, and Chris Ryan especially was like, really guys? But I think he's done. I certainly don't think that he will be James Bond anymore.

I don't think so either. I think that he'll... The way that I know this is because, like, you, my father is still not over this speech and send me an email the other day about how Tom Hiddleston absolutely should not be Bond and it should be Tom Hardy instead. Oh, man.

Yeah, Tom Hardy's like kind of having a moment right now. I don't know about that. I haven't watched Taboo yet. I've really heard mixed things, but I don't know. I'm going to give it a shot. Men like it. Have you tried Fleabag yet? I did.

Did you like it? I don't want to be the one person who's like, I don't know. I think it's overrated. I liked it, but I haven't gotten three yet. I only did the first two episodes, and I am told that it kind of comes together, so I need to, I will persevere. I've been like trying to find, like, some new shows. It's not going great.

I would not recommend Victoria. That's kind of all I got for. Okay, good to know. I'm enjoying it by doing that. That's it. Good to know. Thanks for listening, everyone. We'll be back pretty regularly going forward. We will.