The Press Box - Ep. 252: ‘Bachelor Party’ With Trey Kerby

Episode Date: February 7, 2017

The Ringer’s Juliet Litman is joined by NBA TV’s Trey Kerby to discuss the Bachelor’s trip to St. Thomas (4:55), Jasmine’s departure (11:10), Danielle’s cluelessness (23:50), and, of course, Corinne (32:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, my name is Chris Ryan. My name's Andy Greenwald. And we are the co-host of The Watch, a pop culture podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network. We are on Mondays and Thursdays. We mostly talk about TV, movies, music, pop culture, Jeremy Renner, house flipping, the papacy, Reese Weatherspoon dancing at wedding videos. We used to talk about Kanye West. He's in the, like, timeout corner right now.

Never ever talk about Christine Baransky. You can listen to The Watch on Mondays and Thursdays on SoundCloud, iTunes. Anywhere you get podcasts, subscribe now. And thanks for listening. It's a good hang. Welcome to Bachelor Party. I'm Juliette Litman. It's six weeks into next season, and I'm feeling a lot better than many of these women. Today, my guest is Mr. Trey Kirby from NBA TV. Welcome, Trey. Thank you so much for having me. I couldn't be more excited. I'm very happy to have you here. I know that you're big in the reality TV space.

We're going to talk about The Bachelor, but I actually, I know that you are an avid Vanderpump Rules fan as well. Are you still watching? Am I still watching, of course? I mean, last night was a little different. TNT now does Monday night NBA games, which is really throwing a wrench into my reality TV viewing for Mondays. So now I've got to deal with watching basketball, which is my actual job, but then I still got to dip into The Bachelor. So unfortunately, that often puts his Vanderpump to Tuesdays

because, you know, got to say something a little bit. And it takes a little bit longer to watch The Bachelor. So Vanderpump is usually the first to go in the swathes. for what it's supposed to be watched. But yeah, I'm loving it. I love it Jackson's here. You know, he's just so fresh-faced. He, I recently went to Sir, and they were playing season one of Vanderpump Rules on the TV,

on mute, like, in the background, like, at the bar. And Jackson looks like a different person. He really, it's like when a rookie transforms for entering the league to, like, the end of their third year. He just, like, is so much more built. It's kind of crazy. He looks a lot older, but, like, not because he's aging quickly, but just because he is so much more. like muscle and like just like mass. Oh, definitely.

They show replays on the show or flashbacks all the time. Yeah. And Jacks looked like he's 20% bigger than he used to be. But I guess that's good because, you know, last season I would say he was probably 25% bigger than he used to be. He's trending the right way. It's like LeBron at the end of his first Cleveland stint was humongous. He was like, I don't know, 280 pounds.

Then he tapered back down to his Miami weight. And, you know, now he's the first. he looks like a normal person. I think Jack's finally found that sweet spot, happy for him. I'm just bummed that Jack's wasn't on the Bachelor or The Bachelorette. He would have been amazing on a Bachelor, like on a group date. He just would have been so great. I think we were robbed.

Obviously, I'm happy to have him on Banderpump, but he could have been an all-timer in the Bachelor franchise. Oh, yeah. He would have been a legend. Bachelor in every single year, probably. Oh, he would have a real missed opportunity. But, you know, he's the MVP of the Banderpump rules sometimes. It's true. He could be the bartender in Paradise, perhaps.

That'd be a great crossover. That would be awesome. All right, let's talk about this week's episode. I would venture to say it was the worst one of the season, yet I still enjoyed it. Yeah, you know, really emotional, I guess. But it also seems like once they showed that Corinne, Daniel, and Rachel had roses from the previous week.

That to me was like, that's the next top three. It's going to be hard to really break into that. So I wasn't totally surprised to see him. sending girls home willy-nilly. I know. We're not expecting it to happen. But I don't feel like he probably is just so easy for them to read that that's why it gets so frustrating.

Yeah. So I saw on Twitter someone made a really a point, which was this is six weeks into the show and they start filming at the end of September. So it's possible that this is the week that the election happened. And I was just wondering, like, do they know about what's happening in the world while they're on the island of St. Thomas? Like, is it possible that there's so much like chaos, like, there's so much like chaos with the usual structure and like Nick just sending women home because like he's been thrown for a loop because

of the election? It's like, it's kind of weird to think about it in those terms because chaos hits the bachelor the same week that it's like probably that it's hitting America. I was like, huh, I wonder what they know here. But that was kind of like just sort of like trying to like read between the tea leaves. There was actually quite a bit of material to work with with the actual group date. everything. Yeah, definitely. I haven't heard that conspiracy theory that now that you mention 100% buy it because it's a pretty small just week for everyone. So I wouldn't be surprised

to see the reverberation months later in St. Thomas of all places. I know. Nick was really fired up to go to St. Thomas. The most emotion I've ever seen, or excitement, I guess, the most excitement I've ever seen Nick display was when he told the women they were going to St. Thomas. He like said it like he was a PA announcer and he's like, and we're going to the island of St. Thomas. It was like his Oprah moment or something. Yeah, definitely. It felt like a major announcement from the St. Thomas Tourism Board. I know.

Have I heard somebody so excited to announce the location? And later in the episode, Vanessa did some deep research into the island of St. Thomas. She was like, guys, I just learned a fun fact. This island until 100 years ago was owned by the Dutch and then it was annexed. I don't remember who she said previously owned it. But it was really, really unprecedented historical moment for. this show. Yeah, just a random offhand

ownership of a certain island nation. You don't hear it very often on The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, and you can see why, because it didn't go over too well in the little chat setting they had. Everybody was just kind of like, great fact. Yeah, cool. Cool, Vanessa. And also, I just want to point out, they have no access to the internet while they're there. Like, there's no,

you're not sitting there with your phone. So that fact had to be fed to Vanessa. There's no way she could have just, like, known it or whatever, unless she was, like, reading some tourism material that was like left in the room, but that would still count to me as being fed to Vanessa. And that was like ridiculous. Yeah, maybe they had left out. It could speak you as St. Thomas fact. Just a list of things, hey, maybe you can mention this sometime, you know. So you're a hundred for us. The big one.

Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So they go to St. Thomas and there's a group date. Well, first there's a one-on-one with Christina, but we'll come back to that. Let's talk with a group date. This week, I'm very happy to have you here because it was a very athletic. focused group date where Nick plans a day at the beach for, I believe, it's six women. So naturally, the date devolves into a game of beach volleyball. Trey, have you ever been excited to play a competitive sport when you've just, like, gone to the beach hoping to relax for the day? Huh, but in general, when you're getting into playing a sport at the beach, to me, it's just, hey, let's have fun.

Let's, you know, be silly, have some laughs. there's not somebody just judging you watching who's the best volleyball player you know, you're just seeing who can do the thickest jump catch into the ocean or whatever. Right. So, I'm glad you brought that up. I would also be into like some kind of jumping into the ocean

or like something that's more like boat focused. But while this date began on a boat, the real meat of it occurs like at some beachside park where they end up playing beach volleyball. And I don't know if it was like cheap or why they chose this location, but I would venture to say it is one of the worst beachside parks I've ever seen.

It was like they dropped sand in the middle of like a grassy patch. It was very strange to me. Like it just didn't really scream out like ideal conditions for beach volleyball. And they were next to the beach. They weren't even really on the beach. That's like, you know, it seems like a missed opportunity for even more drama for like someone falling in the water or something like that. It was just really stupid. Yeah, definitely.

Or, you know, if you're playing beach volleyball, one of the key. component to me is that somebody's got to always be chasing the ball into the water. Like you said, we didn't really hardly even see water when they were at their beach volleyball setting. No. It was just plopped in the middle of a forest, I guess, probably, you know, for sound and all these various production reasons. But it didn't look like a super tropical beach setting.

It's like, you know, you just find a nice park. I'm in Atlanta. Maybe you find a really green park. I'm going to stand on it. Hey, we're having a volleyball court now, I guess. Yeah. It kind of could have been anywhere, which was ridiculous, except for I'm glad you mentioned the poor sound design. I felt like for this entire episode, you could hear the ocean waves, even when you weren't supposed to.

It was kind of like the mics were picking up too much. I don't know. It seemed like there were some problems with the sound. Perhaps I'm reading too much. Yeah, producers have the gain turned up way high on account of the state top of tourism board. They're like, make sure he focused on our crashing waves. We got some of the best waves. We got the best waves out here.

So the game turns into a three on three, but only after they do shots. And I think we see at least women doing two shots each. So basically it's not even like pre-gaming beach volleyball. It's like the pre-game. It's like the game is the post-game. The beach volleyball is a post-game. The shots are like the actual game. Didn't really seem like an ideal way to start it up.

But whose moves impressed you the most with the beach volleyball? move impressed me the most. I can't remember exactly who it was, but I did see one pretty solid bump early on. I think that. It was a lot of overhand double-act panel maneuvers.

I'm pretty sure that was Rachel. And I would say Rachel was the best one. Rachel was clearly a good athlete. First of all, she was a really good dancer in the line last week. And she seemed the most competent this week as well, which she was one of the first effectors. Ultimately, this beach volleyball game became a disaster,

probably because they were drunk, but also because all the women were like, why the fuck am I playing beach volleyball and I could just be hanging out with Nick? And Rachel was one of the first ones, and I think this is really important because if I was like, Trey, who do you think would be the best at Beach Volleyball?

Like, who would you have said? I probably would have picked Rachel. Like you're saying, she seems like she's athletic. She was the one, if I'm not mistaken, who knew who Michelle Carter was right away. That's kind of a deep cut of Olympians. It's true. She also just seems like she's really good at everything.

Like, I was impressed with her moves in the dance line. So I wouldn't be surprised if she was the best one. But also, she kind of peeled out super quickly, which is surprising. If you're the best one there, it might be okay with the competition. Well, Rachel seems just supremely too normal. I think that's, like, part of her problem. But I was going to say that I feel like Jasmine should have been the best. And I guess we also should not be the surprise that she wasn't the best.

because Jasmine's a professional dancer and if dancing was stars, I taught us anything. And so there's a lot of overlap between dancing and athletic ability. Yet Jasmine didn't win the dancing competition with the backseat boys. And she certainly did not win this group date. Like I would say, you know, she ended up getting sent home. So that's the opposite of winning, if there ever was one. But I'm just disappointed. Like Jasmine's been around athletes for her whole professional career.

She was with the Dallas Cowboys as a dancer. She was with the Gold State Warriors as a dancer. and I just think she's like really letting down her former colleagues. I would be upset if I were a member of either of those organizations. No, definitely. I don't know. Her confidence just must be crushed right now. After losing out on the Backstreet Boys date, that had a really a shaker.

We know she's having problems with the way she was connecting with Nick. Once you're in your head with regards to even athletic competition, there's no saying what's going to happen out there, which is too bad because she was complaining the whole time about not having enough time with Nick. come out there, smash some balls on the other girl's faces, you know, get in the stand, make some digs, and then win your time with Nick. But I don't know, just lost. Who knows what's going to happen when you take the field the next time? She had a crushing mistake, which was she pushed Corinne over, and you just can't let the villain be victimized.

Like, you can't put Karen in a position to, like, be right or have someone feel bad for her when she's already, like, the villain, and to me, that was Jasmine's biggest mistake. Although... Oh, definitely. You can't make her look good and yourself look bad. That's the complete role reversal that you do not want to have, especially to play in the game. Exactly. She showed no tactical foresight whatsoever. And in general, Jasmine just had a total breakdown on this episode. So she was pretty upset that she didn't get to have a one-on-one yet, which is understandable, week six,

or the only one who hasn't got one. It's safe to say you're in trouble at that point. But Jasmine, after the game, it just escalated to a whole other level for her, where she was just pissed and she was ready to let Nick know. Let's listen to her say it in her own words. Nick, we've done this. Come on now. And ask him last week and he was like, be patient, be patient.

And I'm like, I'm being patient. How patient can you be? I'm ready. Come on. Where is he? Oh, hello. Raven, would it be okay if I still need a way? Are you kidding me?

It's like, do. you still see me? Am I there? I just feel like, why did you bring me here to St. Thomas? I've been to St. Thomas. I don't need a beer. And that's just making me angry. So I'm going to tell him, Shrites his face, don't you dare overlook me. Don't you dare overlook me? I just want to say you could hear it in that clip.

The sound design was very poor. When they're not doing their interviews, the waves are just so loud. Shout out to the St. Thomas Board of Tourism. So that is the beginning of Jasmine's final breakdown. She follows up that threat of I'm going to let him know by then getting her one-on-one time with Nick, where she proceeds to do something like fairly appalling. Do you remember what she does? Are you talking about threatening to strangle him?

Yes, threatening to strangle him and like vaguely acting it out. She puts her hands on his neck. Yeah, she put her hands on his neck. Blake to be saying no, I'd rather not do that right now, still went for the strength of it. It was pretty shocking. And Nick was not happy. She said to him at one point, like, do you understand what I'm trying to say? And he was like, kind of. Like, he was just so out on her. It was incredible. Nick is a great bachelor because he can't keep any of his emotions off his face. So just by look, whenever there's a tight shot on his head, like you know exactly what he's thinking. Have you noticed that? Oh, yeah, exactly right. You see him in a situation, whether or. It's just a little sit-in-chat or they're out on a maid or they're having their dinner or dancing with some musician. No one's ever heard of. And you know the second you see him, whether it's going to be a worse thing that, you know,

months afterwards after tons and tons of editing, I'm sure if you're just sitting and thinking about this guy all day, you see him. And you can tell immediately that he's probably not into me. It must just be impossible to keep your wits about yourself. But then, oh, yeah, you have to try and keep your wits about yourself for $14 at a time. Right. and Nick is just seems like kind of incapable of keeping it inside and we knew that about him like that was his emmo on the Bachelorette like whatever he was thinking or like whatever he wanted to do like he just went for and that's why that's why he's good TV but this week it's kind of resulting in him being a dick like he ultimately gets rid of Jasmine after she tries to fake strangle him which okay who could who could blame him I mean would you keep that girl around but um yeah I guess if I was getting fake strangled after telling you're not the fake strangle me that's a fireable

Yeah, she would have to go But he He clearly was never going to be into her And if he was I don't know why she got to go from New Orleans St. Thomas like maybe that must have been a producer decision Because like, was there another moment you couldn't point to Where you're like, yeah, Jasmine and Nick have potential

Yeah, exactly right When she didn't win the Backstreet Boys didn't get to have that dance That's what you knew it was going downhill for Jasmine They didn't really ever have a bunch of them connection, which I think is exactly what played out on this week's episode. They didn't really have anything. She wanted there to be something, and he clearly didn't. Yeah, there was just nothing there.

It was just time for Jasmine to go. I'm kind of bummed out, though. I thought that she could have gone further. I mean, I guess, I guess, I had. I had her at the beginning of the season, too, mostly because, like you're saying, she is involved with the NBA, so I thought it would be great. Maybe we could be able to work it into the show somehow, but it wasn't meant to be. Have you encountered any Warriors personnel who know her or,

have commented on her? I haven't, but if they make the finals this year, and I get the final, that will be my first question. I'll be trying to jack her down. Well, will you be going to All-Star in New Orleans? Oh, yeah, I will. Maybe she'll show up as the Warriors' representative for the dancing. Yeah, well, there's that.

And also, Steve Kerr and his staff will be there. So even if you don't want to ask Steve Kerr, maybe, you know, what about Bruce Frazier? Just be like, hey, remember that dancer? She was on The Bachelor. Yes, that'll pick their mind off. the game, which I'm sure that I'll appreciate. You know, just a suggestion,

Trey, just trying to help you do your job a little bit. Yeah, I would really appreciate that. We had a couple weeks ago on this podcast. We were wondering if there's like a Warriors group watch, like, do they get together? Are they like, are they following what Jasmine's doing? She was only with the dance team for one year. It was last season.

So I'm also kind of, I'm kind of sad for her because, I mean, she didn't get a ring. Oh, that's too bad. I know. It's been a tough year for Jasmine. No ring. in the final no ring of the bachelor just taking L's all over the place

and now she's gone I have a feeling I don't know if she goes to paradise I don't really see it for her she she she she

she thinks strength for going to Bachelor in Paradise maybe she put enough personality on the line in the past couple episodes to make a late push that is true

that is possible coming out of this group date I believe Raven got the road and Raven's like really a dark horse right now. She gives, she gives good interview. So she gets a lot of like narration moments, but we don't see her with Nick that often. Who do you think should have got?

We didn't even see her get the rose, am I right? Yes, we didn't. They're like, oh, so we got the rose. Yes, Vanessa, exactly. I couldn't remember and I was rewatching. And I was like, oh, right, Vanessa, the only way we know is because Vanessa told us, I have a feeling a lot was cut out of this group date.

Like this whole, that the whole portion from, you know, getting to the beach to the end of that cocktail party just seems like a lot was missing because we just didn't see pretty much anything. Like we actually didn't see Nick interacting with any of these women except for like at the cocktail party. Yeah, definitely. It was all the places that go a sad shop

and everybody's sitting 10 feet away from each other being sad on their own. Yeah. You know, sometimes when you drink, like sometimes it can result in like a really like fun exultant feeling but it also would go really wrong. Like if you have too much like a certain kind of liquor and like you just cry in the corner.

Yeah, it's a risky move to have a lot of the day based around being outside in the sun drinking. It could go perfectly or it can go how it went. And by the end of the date, like by the end of the day, the end of the beach volleyball, the sun had clearly gone away and it was really cloudy. And it just sort of was like the weather mirrored the mood on the date that everyone was just kind of like really bummed out and sad. And all the women are like turning on Nick. It's similar to last season. Once the clouds started rolling in, he should have known something was bad on the way.

Potentious Omen, for sure. Once again, I just want to say shout out to the St. Thomas Board of Tourism. That's like some really good metaphoric weather. I love it. Yeah, you just like that all the time, no matter what your mood is, the weather is mirroring it. Yeah. This is similar to Ben's tropical group date last season when they went swimming with the pigs, which I found to be disgusting.

it was the week that Jojo kind of got pissed at him and was giving him, it was like kind of like icing him out, which was a great strategy by Jojo. And it just seems like this week, this, the week of like, I guess they were down to nine when they got to St. Thomas is like the diciest week for The Bachelor because there's clearly like some women he's into and some who are just totally superfluous and figuring out how to still seem like the nice guy on TV while keying in on the women you actually. like is obviously impossible because Nick was crying. I think Ben cried this week last season.

It just is like very difficult to do. And I guess you're kind of on, right? You're going to now there's six many people around. It's obvious with Nick who he's into. So if you're seeing him more and more often with the girls that he actually really likes, that's got to be tough. And then I guess that's how everybody ends up crying. After this week, who's your front runner?

I think it's Rachel actually. Really? I've liked her since the beginning. I don't know if it'll take out my top three. I'm Rachel. Wow. The way they were vibrant in New Orleans was pretty cool. Yeah, he seemed into her.

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and him and her would just kind of like sit and stare at each other and try and read each other's mind. So maybe he is into a little bit of quiet intersection every now. And that she's incredibly sweet. But I think the fact that she just, she just seems a little bit of a different archetype than the rest of the girls. It sticks out to me, but the personality thing might come back in the end. Yeah, I think she ultimately doesn't have a personality for Nick. He likes a feisty woman as far as I could tell, which I think is why. the two on one, he ended up getting rid of both Whitney and Danielle. Whitney, we don't even

need to talk about. Whitney's only spoken in one episode. It was this week and now she's gone. Peace out, Whitney. Do you have any final words for Whitney? No, that's exactly what I said. Who is Whitney? Yeah. Who is this person? When I first looked in the bios, I thought she had a good chance because she kind of looked like Andy to me. And I think that's why she stuck around for so long. He's probably just like making out with her. And I'm sure that's all they ever did because she didn't get to speak otherwise. But then he sends Whitney home in the middle of the two on one and she has to for the horrible stand on the island while the bapsar and another woman fly away, which has happened many a time.

And then he spends the rest of his date with Danielle L. She of the very prominent breasts. And this week continued to be the same. She just can't, I don't know what it is. I mean, they must be very important to her because she always puts her boobs front and center. And I think it's because she doesn't have a lot of other verbal gifts. And here's here's a little bit of proof. Nick asked Danielle like what's important to her in a relationship other than honesty, like because Nick assumes that'd be a given.

And let me let's just listen to her answer. Love, trust. Sure. What about you? Simple questions. Me? Okay, Danielle. This is tough because I want to like Danielle.

It's amazing that she's got three of her own nail salons. she is like, you know, seems like she's got some real business acumen. Could be a good future for her. But apparently she doesn't really know how to discuss relationships whatsoever. Yeah, exactly right. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for Danielle L. No doubt about it. He gave her that allie to say, you know, maybe two interesting words about what she thinks about their relationship.

And she basically said the two words that he said, don't say. Right. So not the greatest response you can have, but I think you're exactly right with regards to the way Nick was going out of his way to be nice about saying, when you stuck out of the limo, you were one of the ones I wanted to get to know the most, which is I thought you were the hottest one when you stuffed out. So I think to that side of his own face look on his face, it wasn't going to be good. Yeah, he clearly was over her, and he seemed like he just wanted to get off the date as soon as possible. one thing I just want to mention to these women. So, you know, he dumps Danielle in the middle of the date because she doesn't understand what makes a relationship,

which is fine. Valid Nick, I support you. Also, like, maybe she's a little bit young for him. Who knows? Then he's like, can I walk you out? And Danielle says, yes. Why, time and again, do these Bachelorette women accept the, like, the escort?

I don't understand. He's just dumped you. Say, fuck, no. Why do they do that? Yeah, and he is always sure to, ask for the walkout too, you know? Yeah. Somebody say no. I thought it was,

I can't even remember who it was right now. Perhaps Whitney that wouldn't really answer him when he was breaking up with her, kind of making him explain why he was feeling the way he was. And I don't think that that has necessarily been the case because, you know, nobody really wants to leave a bad taste in somebody else's mouth. Sure. They just say, yeah, you can walk me out. We can have a nice way of saying goodbye to each other even if I'm really mad at you.

It's really true. He wants to seem like a good guy all the time, but Nick forgets that we can see his face. And when he looked at some of these women, he's just so vacant and clearly so bored. And he just seems kind of sick of being The Bachelor by this point of the season. I wonder if that's the case. Because like, does anyone seem like they're having fun on the show right now? Definitely not. And I think that was why Nick was in tears at the end of the episode.

because, you know, going to hang out in place on the beach, you know, smashing some volleyball around in a forest. Sounds like a great time. But nobody had fun. And now everybody else is cried. So I guess Nick had to get some cries in as well. It was just everybody going on a beach vacation. It really is.

Like, I'd be pissed. And Vanessa, who has been my favorite this entire time, she is pissed as well. And Vanessa and Rachel are both like. threatening to go home. And I know a lot of people say that Corinne is the show, but I think if we were to lose Vanessa or Rachel, both of whom seemed really like unhappy with being in St. Thomas right now, that would be a complete capitulation. If one woman was to leave, like in the whole house would come falling down, who would that be for you? That's a good question. I mean, the driving force of a lot of the episodes, no doubt, is Corinne.

but I mean, Vanessa seems to be a little bit of the voice of conscience to me. And I think that losing her would be, would make the show even more ridiculous, make it even more Corinne heavy. So I think that can, like you're saying, losing her or Rachel, they're both kind of a force of good on the show. I think that could definitely be a problem. But any of those three, I think, are major characters. And one more thing about Danielle M, I just remember, like you said, maybe Vanessa, maybe Daniel L was too. Hey, I just thought of something. Daniel L.

Maybe he was too young. That's another point in Danielle M's favor. She's 31, right? She's actually close in age tonight. It seems like a good match wife stage one. Yeah, it's true. Danielle M., Vanessa and Rachel, are all 31, I think. So they're like in the Nick zone, which honestly makes sense.

And I hate to harp on like age and like be like, you know, because everyone mature is a different rates. But it does make a difference. and, like, you know, you just have more life. And, like, I don't know. I think it is relevant. I think you are correct about that. I'm really shocked by how much you like Danielle M, though. Like, this is really a revelation to me.

Well, honestly, I am too. Because it's coming off. I'm a big time. Daniel M. fan. And she worked down a few notches in my book just because, you know, there wasn't anything really sticking out about her. But I don't know. I'm not fake.

Sure. I also really like Vanessa because she kept calling Danielle L. Delo. And I just like, I like when someone really leans into a nickname like that. And I was like, yeah, cool. It seems like you've got a real bond with her. And Vanessa and Rachel both seem pretty popular. There was one shot where Rachel is just like sort of like leading the conversation, I think, with all these different women. And then when she reads the date card to them, she's kind of like animated about it.

And I feel like they all like her. And it's interesting to see, like, who the other women like. And you haven't heard a bad peep said about Danielle M. Raven. Rachel or Vanessa. Like, no, nothing bad said about them at all. Yeah, but to be fair, you shouldn't Karen is acting, how Corinne is acting.

As long as you don't act that crazy, you're going to be able to be well-liked, as long as you're on the right side. Great point, which is a good segue into people who took Elle's this week. Corinne stays taking Ells. This week, they set her up for it with an incredibly illicit,

an offensive five minutes of this television show, where they have a maid come in, and her name is Lorna and Corinne is extremely excited because she misses her nanny Raquel and she like immediately puts Lorna to work and just kind of like talks extemporaneously about how much she loves her nanny and how her nanny loves her and I just was uncomfortable at this and it's just like I get it. Karen's a bad person and Corinne has a nanny and that's weird but like why bring a stranger into this? Like is it really necessary to have this Lorna five minutes like what is this doing for me? It really I did not think that was cool. Did that strike a court at you at all? And to me played out like, this isn't going to be a big Corinne episode. So let's do something zany to get her another scene.

And that's exactly what it was. I don't think that Warner was real either. No. It's just probably an actresses doing some stuff. Yeah, no way. If there was a Korean spin-off show, would you watch it? Give it a shot. I would go a few episodes.

I'll be excited when she shows up on Paradise for the next three summers for sure. Oh, my God. She's Paradise, mainst. She's the new Ashley I Like she'll probably do something crazy I'm sure she'll cry She's we're not getting rid of Corinne anytime soon That's that's for sure

Lastly on this episode She's panicking at all that she's made it so far in the season She's one of six remaining now No I think she's happy I think she's completely delusional The thing about Corinne is I don't think she's dumb I think she's like somewhat shrewd But I also think that she like

kind of like believes in her own bullshit And so I I think that she probably like is quite quite pleased. And also everyone seemed pretty miserable except for Corinne this week. Like Corinne was just the same status quo, which if I were Nick, I would find comforting. I'm like, yeah, she can just get down with whatever. She's fine. Take her wherever you're going to go.

It's always the same Corinne. And he just... Yeah, that's true. She was... She definitely didn't seem faith by everybody being upset and the general sense of chaos around the house. Perhaps that's supposed to drive. Yeah, she just, um, she just seemed. like she was comfortable. She's used to luxury, so she was back in it, and it was going great for her.

Last person we need to discuss is Christina, who had the one-on-one at the beginning of the date. And are you in or out on Christina before, yeah, that's her name, Christina, before this episode. Were you like into her? What was your vibe on her? I would say ambivalent is probably the right word. I just didn't think she was going to last very long. I didn't think there was going to be really. anything to her girl. But then this week was totally different. We hear her go into it and explain all of her back.

It's tough to do. And I was impressed. It's surprising that Nick would be either. I was just impressed that she was willing to share everything on television. Like you just talked about. So basically she explains that she is Russian. And when she was four or five, she doesn't quite remember. Her mother basically sort of like banished her from their home.

And so she went to an orphanage and she was there for a few years. And then ultimately she was adopted by a family in the U.S. And she moved here and she's been here ever since. And she has eight adoptive siblings and then one sister back in Russia. It's just like a really like poignant story that was like extremely serious. And just like probably a lot more than Nick was expecting to get. And he handled it like okay, I would say. I would give him like a seven and a half out of 10.

He clearly wanted to hear all about it and was like sympathetic. but I think he also was just like so shocked by it that he didn't really know like what the appropriate response is. And honestly, I don't know what the appropriate response is. Like, like, how do we even talk about this on this podcast in the same context of like discussing, you know, how drunk they were at beach volleyball? Yeah. He definitely, I'm sure, felt like he bit off more than he could chew probably going. And he's like, I need to find out her backstory because clearly she didn't grow up in the United States. Right.

There's no way to know that she was going to go into a story about eating lipstick when she was a five-year-old and losing her mother because of it. I know. From that perspective, I think he can't blame him for not really knowing how to respond. But he definitely didn't know how to respond. I did not envy him being in that situation trying to, you know, figure out the right way to be a nice guy when somebody just told you a life story you weren't expecting to get. I know. And it's sort of like for the show, and I'm not sure that they really worry about this, but it's like when she had. As this like, sort of just like, you know, unprecedented backstory is certainly by Bachelor

standards. Like, do you make a big deal out of it or do you kind of like make it secondary? Like, and it's sort of, I actually don't think that you get cast on this show for that kind of story. Like, I don't think they go out of their way. And they're like, we need someone who was a refugee. Like, we need like a heartbreaking story. Like someone like Danielle M, whose fiancee died, I think is like a more likely to catch

their producer's eye or ear, I suppose, than something like. like this Christina's upbringing. But then, like, once you have her, like, what's the obligation to discuss it? Like, it's kind of intense. And it's sort of like this, like this outside forces is, it's hard to like negotiate with The Bachelor itself. And I don't, and I. Well, definitely, right?

Like, what would have happened if he sent her home, you know, in week four or something like that? And she never tells the story. So that kind of story, I know you say she doesn't get cast and thugs of us, but you're expecting to hear that when you know the stories with the matter of figuring out the right way to do it. I don't really think there was another time that she was going to be talking about it. So all things considered are not too bad, I guess. Yeah, she kind of like had to have a one-on-one at that point.

Like, if she's on the show, she has to get the one-on-one. Like, she can't just, like, slide it into a conversation, like, during a cocktail party when they're, like, you know, at the dairy farm or whatever, wherever. Just not appropriate. it. Yeah, exactly. I wonder if it ever came up in the house at all because you, I mean, you would imagine that they're spending so much time together, it probably did.

And that obviously would have been kept off camera. Yeah, that's a good point. I think that she must have told someone. These women seem like they like each other now. Christina was in bed at one point, like, just sort of like they were all like emotionally hung over and maybe physically hung over. And it was Christina, Raven and Whitney all in bed together. And I was like, oh, that's nice.

Like, at least they have friends through this now. Like they're not just out here on their own. It made me happy for them. Oh, yeah. They definitely seem like they bonded. You know, we're just chatting about their boyfriend, who all happens to be the same boyfriend. It was cute.

Yeah, I agree with you. And the dating on mass never gets more normal. Although this season, what's your grade of the season so far? We're six steps in. So we have like four left plus the Mentelol, I think, or something like that. What grade would you give it thus far?

I have a bit of a weird Bachelor backstory You always wonder about like So many 30s You're like You do this I didn't really start Watching the Bachelor

Until Des's season I saw the right Reason crap And I was hooked I liked him Pretty much every time He's been on the shows

I like that he's actually The Bachelor now He is the Bachelor And he's been on So many times He knows How things play out And he knows

How things are going to play out On TV So from that perspective It's a little bit of super reality TV, but also he's got a personality. He's easy to read, like you're saying. He has opinion. I've liked it. There's been a lot of Corinne, but all things considered are.

Yeah. I'm ready for this to move on to foreign countries. That's what we need here. It's been too local, you know. Let's move away from America and see what Nick does when he's on foreign shores. Yeah, let's see how his boys like. out there in the world. Yeah, well, if you recall, in Ireland is where things really heated up between him and Caitlin when he, when he snuck her back to his, or when he went back to her hotel

room. That's when things got really good. So I'm hoping for similar trajectory for this season. Trey, thanks so much for doing this. Tell us where we can catch you or when we can catch you on NBA TV. Tonight, 7 p.m. Eastern on NBA TV. The starters were on. Thanks so much for asking me. This was the most fun ever. No problem. Thank you. for listening and I'll be back next week and of course thank you to copari.