The Press Box - Ep. 89: 'Jam Session' With Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: April 13, 2016

After Juliet and Amanda divulge their affinity for British leading men, they examine the objects of their affections by identifying the senior class, the actors in their prime, and the up-and-comers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Juliet Littman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. We're going to our spiritual homeland this week on our podcast, the United Kingdom. More specifically, the men of the United Kingdom, which is my spiritual homeland. I'm really excited about this one. This is a passion of mine. We've been talking about who should be the next bond in the office. A lot of opinions in the office.

Funnily enough, interesting. Selva really never came up, even though he's kind of the internet's choice. I think that there were a couple votes. Sam Shuby voted for Adjuselba. That's true. I was looking, we can go back to this. I'm not against Cedarselva. No.

A lot of, a lot of non-British nominations. That was the problem. Do you care about the Bond movies? Yes. Do you really like them? I really like the Daniel Craig Bond movies. Casino Royale is really good. Yes.

Eva Green's a babe too. Exactly. What about Pierce Brosnan? Those are pretty cheesy. But you love the Thomas, Crown Affair. So it's a bond problem, not a Brosnan problem for you. Yes. Yes. I mean, I feel like it's a little bit of a brazen problem and Thomas Crown Affair really figured out how to use what he's good at. Totally. Which is just sliding underneath gates. Exactly. And just being handsome but maybe not

like having to be an action star. How did you feel about Pierce Brosnan in Mrs. Doubtfire? Oh, he's good at that. Yeah, he's good at being a dick. I suppose I don't buy him as an action star. Right. He doesn't, he's not like athletic in any way. Yeah. I think in general many of our great actors are really not very athletic seeming. They might be, but it's just like not really the roles that are typically cast for. Like even though like some of the best soccer players, like Gareth Bale is Welsh, but I don't feel like he has many like, I don't know, there's not other like British men that come to the top of my mind as like great athletes.

Yeah, well, let's talk a little bit about this because it's like what do you actually want in a British dude. And it's, I'm not looking for like a super jacked manly man when I think of a like a, a, and that's not my ideal British actor. Sure. Someone with a lot of charm looks good in like a dinner jacket. Let's just get into, let's just get into some of our top British actors. We'll just do an accounting of where we're at, where we're headed, and, you know,

who's made the leap across the Atlantic. I think that sounds great. So we've broken them up into three classes. Yes. Senior class. Yes. Like, then the people in their prime, which is also sort of people in their prime slash like bond contenders. Yes.

And then the up and comers. Future potential bond. Exactly. This is, you know, this is a future problem for them. Okay, so let's get into it. So we're going to start with senior class. Yes. And we're going to start with Dano Craig.

The aforementioned Daniel Craig of the James Bond movie. So is it Christina Raoul your favorite? Yeah, it's definitely the best one. Casino Royale is like basically the only movie that my mother and I agree on. Really? Yeah, I guess mostly just because my mother doesn't watch a ton of movies. But Casino Real is always on cable when I'm home. And she finally got like the DVR, but for a long time, there was no mechanism for watching anything other than what was on television at any given moment in our home.

And it was just always Casino Royale. So I've seen it like 30, 40 times. The movies that like get play on TV Ash and TNT become like such a big part of life because they're just always there for you. That's one of the reasons why I love Catchman if you can. Like it's just always on. Oh, true. Yeah, that's a good one. And it also is like a really good rainy day movie for some reason.

So I do feel with Casino Royale. I've only seen the second half. of the movie ever. Somehow I never, ever tune in for the very beginning, which is how I forgot that the whole set piece where he like runs through a bodies exhibit in New York was a part of Casino Royale. And I got like a very heated fight with my fiancee one time just being like, no, this is from the second Daniel Craig Bond. This is the bat. And I was wrong. I was 100% wrong. There was a set piece in a bodies exhibit. I remember when bodies first opened, people were very concerned about the smells and the sense of the exhibit. And I wonder if that was a consideration

when they were doing this. Like, can Daniel Craig handle it? Do we need to give him nose plugs? What will, like, can he do his own stunts? Was there actually a smell? I've been to a body. I've been to this house, the seaport. I never went to it. I just remember people being concerned. It's pretty gross. And I didn't. Is it cold in there? Yeah. I mean, there is a definitely a morgue vibe, but I don't know whether it's just, like, whether that's psychosomatic. I really think it could Great stunt work by Daniel Craig making it through the bodies exhibit. I wish I understood poker a little bit better for that movie to mean more for me. But, like, in general, casino gambling culture, it just goes right over my head.

I feel like this is the most accessible of the gambling movies. Oh, yeah. I mean, I can't, like, it's pretty much like a non-starter for me. Like rounders, I walk out of the room every time. I know. I just don't get it. And that's another one that's like, I don't know if it's on cable, but like Zach pulls it up on demand a lot for some reason. It's very popular with men.

Yeah, and I wander out. Yeah, I just, I know what's happening. I go watch Go more girls in a different room. My favorite Daniel Craig movie is Munich, obviously. Is that obvious? Can you expand on that? Andy Greenwald and I, we ride or die for the movie Munich. It's just, you know, it's a great Eric Bannon performance.

I thought Bano was going to be a king. Thought he was going to be our Australian king. And he just wasn't. Turned out that movie does not have as much broad appeal as I was expecting. But I loved Craig in that one. He's, like, really intense. He's good as, like, a role player as not the lead, I think. Yeah, though, I'm trying to think of...

Like, I can't hear his voice in my head. Like, I know he played Bond. I know that he is capable of speaking. But to me, he's kind of a vessel. And I think of him as, like, being mute. It's true. But, and also part of the appeal of his bond is that he doesn't speak too much. Right.

He uses kind of... He's the quiet, mysterious man. Yeah, it gets you with his look. Yeah. I mean, that's probably how he got Rachel Weiss, his wife. Yes. So they were on Broadway together, right? That's how they meant.

Yes, that's how they met. And then she was with Darren Aronofsky, not married, engaged. Right. Circle Black Swan. Yeah, and she moved on to Daniel Craig. It's pretty, I mean. And they got married very quickly. And they're still together, aren't they?

Yeah, I think so. I like her too. She's lovely. Yeah. Love her from about a boy, obviously. And also definitely maybe. Once again, I'm going to work in. Rachel Vice should have won definitely maybe on every single podcast.

All right. Well, check that box for this week, great. You've done it. Yeah. And he, and then he was in Star Wars, but I didn't even realize. Yes. So for some reason, so Daniel Craig's making a lot of interesting choices right now. Okay, break them down.

He decided to be a stormtrooper, which by definition means that you did not see space at all for reasons that no one really understands. I'd love to know how much you got paid for that. I don't, do you think he got paid? Non-face work by Dano Craig. What is the reason to do that? I'm not totally sure. I guess maybe he's a huge fan, just wanted to be involved. Maybe there's going to be more Stormtrooper plot lines down the road.

I guess so. And he'll be in Star Wars, which I think would be an interesting choice and not one I want from Daniel Craig. Interesting. What do you want from Daniel Craig? You know, he has been kind of going back and forth on whether he'll be Bond again. I'm here for as many Bond movies as Daniel Craig wants to make. He is by far my favorite Bond. Have you ever heard any of the books?

I tried reading His Majesty Secret Service this summer and I got bored. I have no interest. However, on the Ladies of London, one of my favorite Bravo shows, Caroline Fleming is like this Danish woman who is divorced from the Fleming of her last name, but is related to Ian Fleming. Like, she's, like, got, like, acclaim to the Bond dynasty. And she happens to be Danish royalty, so she's just got a lot going on. This really seems like an Amanda show that I did not know about.

I love Ladies of London. Okay. It's so 20-second side story on Ladies of London. It has had two seasons, and it's like half-American written. women living in London married to non-Americans and half like actual British women. It's about like their clashes and what they, like where they go for their like, you know, nights out. They show Christmas in London, which just seems delightful. Like there's just like a lot of pageantry involved. I just love it. It's just a great show. I don't think it's coming back for season three,

which is really devastating, but it'll be playing on forever in my mind. Okay, that's great. I'm sold. I will watch Ladies of London Report Back. Best care. Okay. So back to Daniel Craig, best key scenario for him going forward. What is that? For me, it's making more Bond movies. Okay. And he's kind of, he said he wouldn't, and then he called Bond a misogynist, which I was sort of, I appreciated. Yeah. I guess that's true.

There's certainly, like, an air of retrograde morals to those movies. But, like, is anyone going to see a Bond movie for, like, the way they explore women? No. Yeah. And then he's, but he might still do it. The other thing that he's doing, and this is really interesting, they're making a television show. out of Jonathan Franzen's purity? Very interesting.

Do you think that will ever make it to air? It does seem like it'll be a corrections thing where it never actually makes it to air. And that might be for the best. Where are you on purity? I don't care for the writing of Jonathan Franzen. Oh, okay. Personally, he's just really not the writer for me.

Yeah. But I think I would like that more as a TV show, but in general. But I don't think this will ever get made is my opinion. It's too complicated. And also, there's just like a lot of like the best books. Even if you, I mean, like, Frandzen doesn't appeal to me. Other people really like it, like his work. It's a lot of the best novels that they're not like necessarily super plot driven,

don't make good television. And Jonathan Vrandon, like, obviously, like, the plots are important to his books, but I don't think that's, like, his true gift is being like a great, like, imagining of worlds. And I think that's harder to translate in a compelling way. That's true. You know, the best part of purity was the setup, like, in the plot. And it was plot for two-thirds.

then it's just like Jonathan Franzen's opinions on the internet and philosophy for the last third, which unsubscribe. Sure. And especially also, I assume that Daniel Craig would be playing like the Julian Assange-ish character, which is not a bad character for him. An air of mystery works on Daniel Craig. Sure. Yeah.

I don't know enough about, I've tried to read all of his books and I've not made it through any of them. Well, anyway. So I think best case is that you're right, purity does not make it to air. I think TV's good for a good look for him, though. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's certainly the time to, like, be distant dudes who don't speak very much and just kind of, like, grapple with morality on the inside. Let's give him eight episodes and just be out. Fantastic. Like, in a true British model, one season only, one series, as they say.

Great. I'm sold. All right, so that's what we're in for Daniel Craig. More of his peers. Same age group, Ray Fines. I love Ray Fines. Do you? Yeah.

Because of the English paper. Yeah, should we talk about the English patient first? Sure. English patient has a top five movie for me. Wow. English patient is really important. I couldn't really tell you why, except that it's beautiful. How many times have you seen it?

Cry every time. Well, so at some point, this is probably disrespectful to the true English patient experience, but I do fast forward and I just watched the Reefine and Catherine Scott Thomas parts. So you can condense a three-hour movie into a quick 70 minutes, 90 minutes. I'm not really sure. You can just fast forward. And I really enjoy that. He also was in the Bond franchise, but didn't get to be Bond.

That's true. But he did, you know, in the last one, spoiler, he really stands up. He's part of the team. He takes a stand. That's like classic Ray Fines, I feel like. He's like in the great movie, but not is the great movie. Yeah. Though he's also been having a very nice, like, mini renaissance of late.

He's taken a turn into comedic roles. Yeah. And he's fantastic in them. Yeah, he is really good in Grand Bonapest Hotel. And also he's fantastic and Hail Caesar. I didn't see that. Should I see it? You know, when it, if you have some time and you're in your home and you feel like being

delighted, it was fun for, it was fun. It's not a must see by any means. But Ray Fines and Alden Aaron Reich have a really amazing scene together. Maybe they should just put that on YouTube. My suggestion for you of watching Hail Caesar is just like just watch that one scene. But he's very funny in it. He has good timing. How do the Coen Brothers decide which of their movies are going to get broad distribution

and which are not? Like, don't you feel like they're at a point in their careers where they can, like, push for more support from their studio? Like, I just feel like they don't always want it. Well, it's an interesting... You know, I think that they kind of decide, like, this is how we're going to be, how ambitious we're going to be on this film. And, you know, some of them are kind of smaller, like, Hale Caesar.

And some of them are more, like, we're going to really go for it. Like, no country for all. men. Right. And I do think that they're in the position to be like, no, we're just going to make a small one now. And we're just doing this for fun because we can. So I think that maybe the distribution plans come from what they decide. Sure. That makes sense. What they want to be doing. Another adaptation that never was, was the Cohn brothers got the rights to the Yish Policeman's Union by Michael Sheaubon. And that would have been incredible, but it just never came together. Very upsetting. I think that's okay. You make a good point. Yeah. It probably would, that would not have been a very good movie, but I still would have seen it, obviously. Love that book. Anyway, so Ray Fines is having a really great time. I would love to see him continue to do the comedy roles.

That's a good lane for him. Maybe he should get a comedy special on Netflix. I think that that might be a little too far. Just really test his range, see what he's capable of. Rave, you're a comedian now. Just go for it. That would make me so uncomfortable. I know. I just feel like he would just bomb. But maybe that should be a genre of like material of like people who are not comedians bombing and they only show like two minutes of it. And it's just like kind of like a cringe montage. Like don't you like Netflix is so committed to like a certain length of material. Sure. They should like mix it up. Like just I would love if they threw some like two minute items at me. Just like Netflix viral videos. Kind of. But like well financed well produced. Yeah kind of like a pallet cleanser in between like the depressing depths of making a murderer. That's true. Before.

they like shove you into their next original series. Have you noticed this, by the way, they're like always trying to make you watch Sense 8 or some stuff after I finished watching like a West Wing episode. Chill, Netflix. I know, we don't need your originals all the time. It's kind of like how Pixar puts the shorts before their movies. Yeah. Like Netflix should be doing a similar thing.

That's great. I support that. I don't know whether I support Ray Fines doing stand-up comedy as a part of that. I think that's maybe like not a fit. Though I will say the next person we're talking about, Colin Firth, what I decided that I wanted from Collin Forth is a wine show with Collin Firth and Ray Fyne's. So do you think Colin Firth is fun? Yes.

Is there evidence that he's fun? Mama Mia. Oh, interesting. Mama Mia at one point was the highest grossing film in the UK of all time. That was before both Avatar and Star Wars, though. That's all you need to know about the British. A lot of questions about the British and their taste. I mean, I had a perfectly nice time with that movie. Sure. I would prefer to pay like the $12 at the time for the movies than seeing it on Broadway. That's for sure.

Yes. Like definitely not worth. It's definitely more fun with famous actors, like singing. Yeah. Terribly. Speaking of Pierce Brosman, whoof. Mama Mia, not one of his better moments. Christine Bransky is in that, though, and she killed it.

Yes. There's the beginning of the beautiful friendship of Christine Branski and Merrill Street, which they carried over to Into the Woods, which I'm sure you didn't see because it's a musical. That's true. 100%. How did you feel sitting through Mamma Mia as a musical? Well, it's like it's Avicod. it's different. I like pop music, as you know. Yeah. And it's kind of like the line, there's a level of

knowledge in there. They're not doing it 100% earnestly. It's not total theater kid. It's like 60% theater kid and 40% can be. And that makes me more comfortable. And so I don't recoil as easily. You feel like you're all in on the joke together. Yes. So if there's no earnestness in the singing, you're okay. Yes. I'm a monster, but that's how I feel. ironic and can't be singing only for you. Okay, good to know. But so Colin Firth should not pursue a musical career. No.

But obviously he's wonderful in Bridget Jones' diary. He's, that's my highlight. And is that controversial to pick that over the 1995 Pride and Prejudice? I don't know. I think a lot of people would also choose love actually. Oh, yeah. He's too lightful on that. What would you choose?

One of the only happy moments in that movie. Yeah, but also just still weird. Yeah. They don't speak. I know. That's not a fully formed relationship. No, it's definitely not. On Love Actually, I'd like to give.

That movie is just depressing. We can't do Love Actually right now. We'll do a full hour on it. I was cleaning out my screenshots that I have saved my Dropbox account. And one of them was my results on the Love Actually quiz that I took on BuzzFeed, where it's a quiz of how well you know the words on the cards that the guy from the Walking Dead holds up. What's his name again? Lincoln?

Yeah, Andrew Lincoln. And he holds up for Kiry Knightley, and I'd gotten 12 out of 14. What's you missed? Do you remember? I don't, but I was pretty disappointed I didn't get all of them. I was terrified that it was going to be a BuzzFeed quiz of which love actually plotline are you? No, no, no, no, no. What's the answer that you want in that one?

What, I think I would be Andrew Lincoln. Like, that just feels like. Julia, that's really sad. Well, he got a kiss at the end from Kira Knightley and then he went on his way. Said his peace. I don't know. That makes me sad. Okay.

Though I can't literally, I cannot think of a plot line that I want to be on. I mean, they're all, they're all just really dark and upsetting. Yeah. I mean, and yet, people just like love to watch that movie at Christmas time, the supposedly happiest time of the year. I think it's because the British people are good at Christmas, as you noted earlier. They really are. Anyway, Colin Firth.

That's my Colin Firth pick is definitely, is love actually. Mine's Bridget Jones, sorry. The thing about that the scripted up Bridget Jones is that it's like a great meta moment because of how they read about Colin Firth in the books. Yes. So like it's fun that, again, he's like in on the joke like he was in Mamma Mia. He's got some, he's not so self-serious, even though he might. seem such. That's true. And so that's a good segue into what he's been doing recently, which is

some sort of weird, smaller self-serious dramas. Yeah, so he started with the Tom Ford movie, a serious man. Which I liked. I liked that too. Yeah. And also great look for Nicholas Holt. I mean, if it's a Tom Ford movie and you're in it and you're a man, like, obviously it's going to be a good look. Like, you're going to look good in it. Very true. It's a very wise career decision. Yeah. Like, I feel like that kind of like pushed Nicholas Holt further. Like he needed that after Skins. And it was a great decision by him. Oh, my God. Nicholas Hold on Skins was just...

Okay, different discussion. We'll get back to Nicholas Holt. And then Confer starts doing... I don't know, some movies I never saw, like the Railway Man, or this film called Gambit, which I'd like to read the description that I found today. Please do. An art curator decides to seek revenge on his abusive boss by coming... No, sorry.

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Possibly. Definitely. Right. I kind of like that for Cameron Diaz. Yeah, I did too. Playing zany characters. 100%. So he does the weird Woody Allen movie.

It's just, you know, King's Speech is in there. I will defend King's Speech as a movie I enjoyed watching, but not as a best picture winner. Is he also in imitation game? No. He's not. He just should be. Yes, exactly.

He just should be. Because those are both movies I fell asleep in. Oh, wow. Yeah. He was in the Tinker Taylor, Soldier Spy remake, which was good. I've heard that was very good. Yeah. Sometimes British stuff puts me to sleep.

I think that I maybe almost fell asleep in Tinker Taylor. Just like their voices are so soothing. Chris Ryan is going to kill me when he hears that. But as a Le Cray fan. Yeah, I like Colin Firth being a little bit more fun. That's like a good way forward. And of this group, of this senior class of Craig Fines and Firth, I feel like he's kind of like the senior winner.

Like I just feel like... Wow, Colin Firth is your pick? I kind of... I feel like he has the longest future in front of him. He hasn't even made a Spielberg movie yet. And as we've noted here, the ringer... That's true. Spielberg loves him some British dignified actor.

He could be the next Mark Ryland since he was Spielberg's life. He hasn't even done that yet. He just starts like assembling cast. That's interesting. I am surprised that that's your pick. What's yours? My pick is weirdly... And I did not expect...

I'm surprising myself right now. I think it's Ray Fines. Interesting. I just feel like he's turned over a new leaf late in his life, and he's still, you know, you could still put him in a look-ray apt adaptation. You could still put him, like, in a weird international intrigue movie. Not that they make those anymore, but if they did, Ray finds your guy as the lead guy, or as we've seen in Bond, he can play supporting roles.

He's a utility player. Is that the basketball term? Yes. Great. You know, and also he's very charming. Ray finds. Yeah. Yeah, he's good.

I mean, he's good. For some reason, like, I just can't ever move him out of the Schindler's list box, like, him and Lee's. I literally, I knew you were going to say this. Like, I just, like, can't think from outside of the context of that movie. So it's, like, hard for me to, like, imagine a future with him as me as a viewer and him as the actor. I have an interesting note about that phenomenon in Benedict Cumberbatch, which we'll talk about in a second. But so senior class, I guess we're vote to split. Yeah.

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Like, I think he's past his prime, but he's also not, like, an elder statesman of the British actor world. That's true. And that's a little bit just because of his career choices. Yeah, because he's a weirdo. Yeah. Which I'm fine with. Is he a hateable dude?

Like, should I hate him? Remember he was really mean to his wife? Yes, I was about to say, I think that he's a little. tough and he has definitely tried to, you know, work the charm since then. Yeah. He's just always like really smiling at every Golden Globes they cut to him and he's just like having the best time and hugging his. It's probably always drunk. You know who his stepmother is? Uh, Gloria Steinem. Yeah. Yes. I knew it. Yeah. I really like that one. Also, Eunne McGregor, he totally blew it by picking the wrong Star Wars trilogy to be in. Yeah. Tough luck. Really sucks. Again, Chris

Ryan's going to be very upset. Chris Ryan is here for you in McGregor. And like Daniel Day Lewis is like obviously one of the best actors alive, but he's so freaking weird. Like, I don't think he could ever be classified of anyone else. Like he's just a one of one. That's true. Like he's just living his own life. I once read that he really likes a happy hour. He also really likes Subway. He likes making shoes. Yeah. He's just so weird. I mean, I love it. And then it's also like Hugh Grant, who's like clearly past his prime, still trying to make horrible rom-com. Yeah. Well, the problem with Hugh Grant is that he had a whole career built around a type of movie that doesn't exist anymore.

Right. Did you watch the rewrite with Marissa Tomey? I made it through 30 minutes. And I really thought, like, I thought if anyone can make it through the rewrite, it's Amanda Dobbins. And I was on a plane, too. It's not like I had anything else to do. I undemanded it.

I paid like $8. That's really bad. It was really, really bad. It was very upsetting. Rissotame is funny. Hugh Grant is very charming. Yeah. Like in a rom-com, he's the king of the rom-com, in my opinion.

I love music and lyrics. I've watched it all the time. Oh, yeah. That's another one. that we're going to have to do a lot of, like, deep work on some other time. Well, I like singing, so that's part of it. Okay. All right, but actors in their prime.

Number one, Tom Hardy. What's up, Tom Hardy? He's just doing great. Again, he's making weird choices, so he may never be, like, an actual statesman. Yeah. But he's got the Nolan look. He made that movie, the 2011 Warrior, Joel Edgerton, which I feel like a lot of men that I know were really into. But I was like, okay, this is whatever.

Joel Edgerton, I wish she had a better career. He's Australian, though. Yeah, not really. Not eligible from this discussion. Or for being Bond. I know. I feel like there were a lot of Australian actors in our bond discussion. I know.

It's hard to keep them separate. But, you know, I feel like he has like so many of the, he's had so many big roles already. Like Mad Max, which apparently he'll be back for, but Charlize will not. Great. Well, yeah. That's okay for her. I feel like her story concluded. And so made a mic drop.

She was so good in it. Exactly. And it's good. Like we can go forward to Tom Hardy. He didn't even speak in that movie, which is for the best. Yeah, my one issue with Tom Hardy, which is sort of why I don't know that he can be the elder statesman. Not that he has to be, but he has a little bit of Leo syndrome in terms of the career choices. He won't play a normal person.

Right. Now they love each other. Now they're brothers, thanks to the Revenant. I don't believe that. He's doing the show. He has a show on FX called Taboo, which is another, like, historical drama. and he doesn't say anything. Who else in that?

I don't know, but his, I can't remember, but his dad came up with the idea with him. It's a Tom Hardy and Dad Hardy senior production, which is sort of interesting. Father-son projects, hmm, hard to name one that went well. Very, very hard. And really the only normal things he does

are Christopher Nolan movies. Yeah, I feel like Christopher Nolan just bonds to his actors in a way that, like, no one else does. I just feel like he gets the best out of a lot of people. he certainly gets the best out of Tom Hardy yeah and I think Michael Cain perhaps I miss congeniality was on the great movie by the way I forgot that Michael Michael Kate really uh he's great strong performance absolutely speaking of elder elder statesman yeah he's the best

all right so Tom Hardy next up is Benedict Cumberbatch he's just killing it people are you a cumberbitch no that's a oh no they did in parlance for his fans I'm not either however I did see him at a restaurant in L.A. It was very exciting. He was getting takeout. It was at Connie's and Teds, which is seafood in West Hollywood. And I guess he goes there all the time because they're like, oh, yeah, him. No one cared.

I like that he was getting takeout. Yeah, he's just taking it home. Yeah. He's great. Do you watch Sherlock? I feel like it's not necessarily a show you'd be into. I like the first couple. You know, you don't have to watch every single one.

So I've seen several and I like them, like, fine. Yeah. They're enjoyable. He's good. He also plays like a lot of like nutcases, like Sherlock. Yeah. Well, so here's, and I was going to say this earlier, we were talking about actress you can't separate from, like, evil roles. Yeah.

Benedict Cumberbatch is the villain in a, spoiler alert, in Atonement. He is the rapist, and it's really upsetting, and I sort of can't forgive. It took me, I've finally gotten to that place, but I would say it took me about five years to move. Like, except Benedict Cumberbatch as someone other than the meme guy from Atonement. Right. Quick note about Atonement also. It's Curly on Netflix. Oh, is it?

I've actually never seen. I only read the book. It's not as good as the book. The book is one of my favorite novels. But the other night, I just had like 45 minutes to kill, and I was like, well, I'll just watch the first part of a toadvent up until they have sex and it won't be upsetting. You know, like if you just watch the beginning. Wrong, incorrect. Still really upsetting. Okay.

I'm going to really steal myself and I finally sit down and watch it. Yeah. It's not happy. There is no moment of happiness in that movie. How sad. What's sad for you as well for having that experience. I was really upset. He's really, like, transitioning into the, like, blockbuster.

He's in everything. Yeah, so he was in Star Trek, which was, like, supposed to be a big reveal, and then it wasn't. Everyone knew who was going to be playing con. I knew that, and I don't even know anything about Star Trek. And now, the yesterday, the trailer for Dr. Strange came out. Yeah, where are you on Dr. Strange? I think it looks pretty good. I also think that Tilda Swinton, who's in the movie as well, and Benedict Cumberbatch, both have unusual faces and, like, unusual facial structure.

and I was like kind of like they're like it makes sense that they'd be in a movie together. Interesting. So I was like visually. I can buy that. This makes sense to me. Yeah. I thought it looked fine.

Sure. It looked good. How many freaking comic book movies do we need? Yeah. And I just also, you know, it's interesting how Marvel is starting to kind of steal the Christopher Nolan playbook in terms of like tortured dude. Yeah.

You know, who like deals with his problems like through acquiring a set of powers. But it's just really interesting that that's the solution to everyone's problems. Totally. I do think that also like, the proliferation of all these comic book movies and sort of like casting the artsier actors as the lead roles. Even like Mark Ruffalo playing the Hulk, it kind of like romanticizes like many like terrible myths about men in a way that

becomes more palatable because it's not just like some like meatcake playing these roles, but it's like someone who you can project like more of like a emotional like intelligence onto. And it's sort of like it's like kind of like a subtle way of reinforcing the like very retrograde principles of a lot of comic books. Absolutely. And like it's almost like, I almost like resentful of it. I'm just like, don't trick me into thinking this torture genius like deserves to be

an asshole. Like that's the whole thing with Christian Bell's Batman, right? Like, yes. And that's kind of what started at all. Yeah, I don't really understand that. It's just also not like, that is not how I would go about dealing with my torture genius. Totally. I just like, I don't understand this as a solution to these people's problems and how this

is like continually interesting. Yeah. And kind of handing all these movies to people who would otherwise be auteur's doing kind of like a more like narrative driven movies sort of like makes a lot of these like jerks from comic books okay. So Bennett Comberbatch is probably the problem, not the solution. I will say he's good at playing jerks though. Very, very good in 12 years of slave. Although he was nice in that. Yes, very good an imitation game.

Yeah. Which I really enjoyed. That's also a great plane movie just up. Not to step on Andy's turf here. But if you're ever on a plane and imitation games on, it was. really enjoyable. I had stayed out very late the night before I saw that movie and like I just like sat down in the chair and I like wore a sweatshirt with like a large hood and fell asleep like immediately. I woke up. I fell asleep during the opening credits and fell asleep for like the last 10 minutes when

Matthew Good was like we figured it out and like everyone was so happy. So did you miss the reveal? It's a very good reveal that when they figured out. Yeah, how they saw it. I woke up like right away like right at that moment. Okay. So you saw it when the machine said. I really enjoyed that. Yeah, the short part that I saw was good. Also Matthew good. Yeah, also Matthew good. And like peak Matthew good. Yeah.

Also, like that's like a movie of like, that's like kind of like a, the inverse of a superhero movie. It's about like a group of like geniuses and like super friends banding together for a greater cause. And I was just like, this is great. I do really like any movie where like the gang has to get together. Oh, yeah. That's always a fun thing for me. All right. Idraselba.

Idriselba. Obviously. So I would say actually if we're thinking about actual British candidates for Bond, he's candidate for the next bond. Or not Australians. Oring all Australians. Or the Dutch dude dude. Michelle Wiesbond. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, he's my pick. I love some Idris. Yeah, sure. Me too. My mom loves Luther, like, big time. She's been trying to get me to watch it for like a long time. It's really upsetting and I wouldn't recommend watching it solo. Luther. Yeah. Really? Interesting. I mean, it's excellent and really. Is that what

Ruth Wilson is in? Yes. Right. I don't like her based on her character and the affair. Sorry, Ruth Wilson. Interesting. I thought you like the affair, but you don't like Ruth Wilson. Yeah. Oh, you're a mora tyranny. I love more a tyranny. Yeah, I love that character. And also, I love all the real estate on the affair. It's worth it for that alone. It is really special. A lot of

really good apartments. I, yeah, I just saw Alba, of course. Like, who says no to that? Like, as bond, of course, everyone wants to see that. Yeah. I think that's like, if they don't do that, that's like, they should just, I don't know. Bond people. Come on. If they don't pick him, I think that'll be a huge mistake, right? Especially after the whole controversy of the writer saying racist things about how Idris Abel

wasn't right for Bond. Right. So they should definitely pick him. Totally. Although I wonder if someone should just keep the seat warm until John Boyega is ready. But we can get back to that. Oh, interesting. You're just going to skip over, Idris?

In general, John Boyega is so charismatic and would be a really different kind of bond. Interesting, though. Here's the thing. How funny do you want your James Bond to be? Hmm. Because... I feel like I'm ready for some quips. You are?

Yeah. I think the thing that I like most about the Craig Bond is that there are no... It's the driest of dry humor. Sure. Which I appreciate in a bond. Yeah. I just feel like I want to see John Boyega in every franchise. Like, kind of like how Harrison Ford went from Star Wars, Indiana Jones.

Okay. Like, I'm just with John Boyega. Okay, that's great. Let's get you something else. You're skipping ahead. Do you have any... Okay. I'm sorry.

We'll get back to... John? No, it's fine. Do you have any thoughts on Tom Hiddleston? No, I have none. Okay. Do you like, do you? He's very charming. But people love him. He's very popular on the internet. He's like the, so Benedict Cumberbatch was the most popular Tumblr, British actor. Right. And then he kind of, he blew up, went mainstream. And now Tom Middleston, Tom Hittleston is the new Tumblr British heartthrob. I kind of didn't know who he was for a while, because I haven't seen, I saw him in Thor, I guess. Or did I see Thor or no, I saw him in the Avengers. He's Loki, so he was in Thor's well.

He's Thor's brother. Wow, that's the nerdiest thing I've said in a long time with such confidence. Just like, I really knew that answer to that question. He was Thor's brother, but he was like sequestered to outer space or something like that, the other universe through a black hole. Yeah, I think they all are. Isn't that the thing? I don't know.

That he's stuck and they all live in the other universe. Oh, right. Oh, right. And then there's really not our strong suit. Something about a hammer. Don't add us. Don't add us. Yeah, I do not care to be corrected on this topic.

All right. Tom Hiddleston. not for me. He's going to be in the, starting next week. He's in the night manager, which is another lacqueray adaptation that people say is great. Oh, cool. Okay. And he's sort of also being talked about for Bond. That seems like he's not like virile enough for that. Yes, exactly. Put that, I agree. Yeah, he's just, nah, nah, the winner of this group, I think it's a Derselba. He's got the brightest future, in my opinion. I hope so. Yeah. You know, I like, I hope that actually, Hollywood realizes that in the way that we all seem to.

He also just, like, beloved. Who doesn't like him? That's true. Let's not. Let's not give them the time of day. Do I think that? I mean, I vote for Idris, for Bond and for life. Me too.

We're with you, Idris. Do it. Do it big. Jude Law could have been in this group, but he just fucked it up by being sleazy. Another thing I want to say, after watching Atonement, James McAvoy picked the wrong franchise. You know what was really tough?

It's like, can never not see him. as his character from Narnia with like the animal bottom half? That's a really tough one. Like that's the lasting image I have of him. Although he is charming in the X-Men movies. He's charming in them. He's so good. You got to watch Atonement just for like the James McAvoy experience.

He's so charming. Okay. And it's very upsetting. I'm going to watch it. And I feel like Fastbender is the Daniel Day Lewis of this group. Like again, like you just can't put him in a box. Yeah, that's true. I mean, Fastbender or Tom Hardy in that one.

Fastbender or Tom Hardy in that one. Hardy, who's your pick? I think FastBender. Oh, interesting. I don't like how Tom Hardy's voice is always shifting. I need to know what your baseline voice sounds like. And with Gosling and Tom Hardy, like, you're just no way of knowing. Do you hold that against Gosling, too? Yes, I do. So you need to have a sense of the person as a person. There needs to be an authentic core down deep. And I think that Hardy and Gosling have lost their moorings. That's super interesting because obviously they would say to you, like the opposite needs to be true. For me to be an effective actor, I need to be in every, in every

role. But I guess Tom Hardy is also just Tom Hardy doing a weird accent in every role. He's just weird. Yeah. Like I, you could tell me any fetish that Tom Hardy has, and I would believe it. I'd be like, yeah, of course, Tom Hardy's like really into feet. Or like, yeah, of course, Tom Hardy's really into bondage. Like, anything. I'd be like, yeah, it makes total sense.

Same is true of Fastbender. Yeah. And also Fastbender is doing Fastbender in every movie. Let's just be real. Michael Fastbender was way too handsome to play Steve Jobs. And I watched that whole... I didn't see that either. I'm really sorry. I let you down. watched that whole movie just being like, wow, he looks very good at that turtleback. He wears the mock so well.

I did not feel any tension about the future of Apple. Or, again, I didn't really care. Right. I liked him in Ex-Bend, too. He's good with James McAvoy. That's what made me think of him. That's true. I mean, obviously, he'll just be doing his thing.

Now we all, so all know he has a huge penis. Quite large. Yes. Really remarkable. All right. The new kids. The aforementioned John Boyega. Like, he's literally the most famous person in the world now.

Is that weird to think about? Is he the most famous person in the world? I think he's among the top ten. Is he the most famous person in the new Star Wars movie? I think so. Even more famous than Daisy Ridley. Yes, I think so. Wow.

I think so. Daisy Ridley did not even get a toy to begin with. Well, that's because of sexism. Right, but that hurt her fame. I'm just saying with the kids. I guess so, but I mean, she is technically the center of that movie. Right, but I just, I still think, in general, I mean, Star Wars is not my number one thing, but I'm really into how we're just making all the new Star Wars movies about women.

Yeah, it's cool. And it was a fun movie. I enjoyed myself. I'm not burdened by like, oh, they didn't push this forward. Like, oh, like all this stuff. Like, who cares? It was a fun movie. I don't know anything about Star Wars.

Like, I enjoyed myself. That's all I needed. All right, so you're on Biaga. Yeah, absolutely. You just want him to have every role. Yeah, like, let's get him three more franchises. Like, let's just, I don't know. Do you want him to do only franchise or do you want him?

I just want him to have a great life. I just really like him. so I think he needs one more franchise and then like some indie movies. Okay. I think he is like the Harrison Ford of Star Wars, but can do a lot better. I'd love to see John Boyer in a remake of Working Girl. Oh, totally. Oh my God.

Yeah. Maybe he could be the Working Girl. Okay. I mean. Working boy. Working man. Working Girl has not aged well. Once last time you watched it.

Oh, Counterpoint. Working Girl is one of my top ten rom-coms. I really like it, but I just like is a real real. relic. Yes, but I feel like that's what makes it, that makes it charming at this point. It's definitely like a costume, like it's a period piece. Sure. About the 80s in New York.

Really big look for Staten Island. Huge look. And the ferry itself. And Sigourney Weaver. A great Sigourney Weaver performance, my favorite Harrison Ford performance. It's like, it does make office life seem very glamorous. Spoiler alert, it's not. It's definitely not.

I love one. I also have one thing that's just a total side note when you watch old movies. relationship to computers is hilarious, how it's like they're there, they're not. And like, what did people do in their offices before computers? Like what, like, you go to work and then what do you do? I think people talked on the phone a lot. Talked on the phone. Like, people took personal calls at work. So weird. Because I think, you know, Joan Kusack, who plays the assistant in Working Girl, like, spends a lot of time just, like, chatting on the phone with Melanie Griffith. Right. And maybe you also read People magazine or other magazines. And like, like,

I think print was more important generally in an office, both for work and non-work purposes. I just can't imagine it. I just like, you just like sit down and start writing stuff, start making notes. Like, I just don't get it. How did it work? Yeah. John Boyega is like running. He's just, he's just so great. And like, who doesn't like him? I love him. I think he's great. He is in the adaptation of the circle by my book written by my former boss, Dave Eggers, with Tom Hanks and Emma Watson. I haven't seen the trailer for that yet. Is it out? I don't know if it's out. The trailer for the hologram for the king, another Tom Hanks, Dave Eggers, Collabo, just came out. I don't know if that's getting the wide release, but I saw it before I saw Hello, my name is Doris. Did you see the trailer for that? No. Oh, you got different ones. Interesting.

Theo James? Yeah, this is someone who really missed his chance. He signed up for the Allegiant movies. Huge mistake. I think that out of all the actors in Allegiant, he will be the one who suffers the most. I think so, too. Shailene will make it out.

Ansel Elgort will make it out. Miles Teller, fingers crossed, he makes it out. Yeah, but like Theo James, like, does anyone know who he is other than 15-year-old girls? Yeah, and Dan Nabi fans. Don't forget. Pumuk. He was Pamook. Oh, my God, I did forget that. Wow. Wow, how fast I forget. Damn it. That's too bad. You know, I think the moral of the Downton story is that unless you're Rose Leslie and you're already a landed nobility, there's no future for you outside of the show. Even Michelle Dachry. I don't know. What's she going to do? My Midford show.

Okay. That's not a production yet. Okay. So, that's tough. Taryn Egerton? Yes. I don't know anything about him. Okay.

Did you watch the Instagram that I sent you? No, I didn't. Okay. Taryn Egerton was in The Kingsman, which was a weird spy movie with Colin Perth. The trailer looked good and then it was like really bad, right? People had mixed feelings about it. And then he was also in a weird family movie with Hugh Jackman. called Eddie the Eagle, which as I understand it,

it was like British cool runnings. Okay. But anyway, Taryn, it was on the short list for Han Solo. Okay. Do you think he's going to get it? Well, again, do you feel that Han Solo should be American or not? What's your take on this? I don't think it matters.

I mean, Hans Solo is sort of our James Bond. I guess so. Not really, but it's similar vibe. I just have accepted the British takeover of the Star Wars franchise. Okay. Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Brianna of Tarth, and, like, who else is in those movies?

I just feel like, just can't stop. The British are coming. Sorry, American History Joke. Couldn't help myself. All right. You know, I think I'm still voting for Mous Teller, but I have just become really charmed by Tarynne Agriotton's social media presence.

All right. I really recommend looking into it. I would especially recommend a video of him dancing to Abba in a car with two small children in the backseat dancing along with him. I think that you have a real love of Abba that I didn't know about. I like pop music.

Yeah, that's great. I'm not ashamed. I like it. Dager a dancing queen. Yeah, so I have a soft spot for Tara and Egerton. That's a watch this base for me. Okay. I don't know that he should be Han Solo, but I expect great things of him.

That's great. And then finally, Jack O'Connell. Have you seen the trailer for Money Monster? No, I have not. Where George Clooney is like the CNBC guy. gets held hostage. So Jack O'Connell is the guy holding him hostage. He's got a little cluny's fragrance on him.

Like he's kind of like riding that wave. Right. And he was in Angelina Jolie's movie Unbroken, which was not very good, but that was him. He was also second cast of skins, very important role, cook. Really, I recommend that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I loved it. So I feel like Jack O'Connell is the new Tom Hardy.

Hmm. Interesting. Which kind of starting out like a little interesting. but also like now like dipping his toe into the mainstream. Yeah. And also, you know, kind of like gruff and he doesn't really go for the charm as much. Yeah. And I like it.

I like it. Yeah. Yeah, he was great. I mean, he was great in skins. All the kids from Skins are just like great. And you know, a lot of them have moved on to big things. It's kind of the opposite down in Abby. Hannah Murray is on Game of Thrones.

Oh, is she? Yeah. Oh, I'd forgotten that. She's Gilly. Yes. Yes. Okay. I knew that.

Deft Patel is an Oscar award-winning. movie, Slumdog Millionaire. And this whole date of Jennifer Lawrence, also in X-Men movies. Now, Cook is on the come-up. I mean, a lot of those, like, it's, like, pretty impressive. Like, compared to other British shows that people, like, loved, they're doing a lot better.

Yeah, that's true. Like, I don't think anyone will make it out of Downton. So, there we go. Michelle Dockery, I'm holding out for you. I hope so. Other than John Boyega, I feel like Taryn Egerton is the future here. Okay. I agree.

Watch Jack O'Connell, too. Okay, well. My favorite British Jack is Jack Whitehall. Did you ever watch Fresh Meat? I did not. Jack Whitehall is on Fresh Meat. He was going to have an NBC pilot, but didn't get picked up. And then he's also on the show, I'll leave their own,

which is a chat show that James Corden and he do together. It all comes back to James Gordon. All comes back to Corden. And he's really funny and very charming. I feel like Freddie Stroma is also kind of like making waves. He's on Unreal. He's the suitor, Adam. Sam Claflin from the Hunger Games movies.

He's also going to be in Me Before You. And he's very handsome. You have a lot of emotions about that. I know, I can't even get into it. Do you think that Me Before You will help him? I think so. He's really well cast for that part. Me Before You is about a guy who becomes a quadriplegic and the young woman who takes care of him as a nurse, and he plays a quadriplegic.

And he's supposed to be like a really, like, handsome guy who just, like, falls into this deep depression because of he wasn't, he gets into a car accident. That's why he's a quadriplegic. And I think he's, like, really well cast. So hopefully he'll be able to take that good smart casting and turn. into a great performance. A lot of people, me particularly, hoping this is a good movie. I know that I'll be weeping at it no matter what happens. I need to read the book before it comes out. You'll read it in a day. I know, but I've just been putting it off because I don't want to feel sad. I know, but you'll just feel so many things, like in a good way. Yeah. All the feelings. Oh, it's so good. I have high

hopes for that movie, and for Sam Claflin, quite frankly. But still, I just think John Boyega and Tarynne Egerton, how can you fight those too? If you're being considered for Hans Solo, that's a big look. Even if you don't get it. That's true. It's like pretty big. It's almost better not to get it probably. Right. It's like, oh, it could have been. It's not paying attention to you. Yeah, exactly. The English have given us so many gifts here, all of these wonderful actors. I appreciate all of them. Me too. Let's move on to a couple of... Some house cleaning? Yeah, some things that we really care about. Number one, Will and Kate and India, speaking of England, have you been following their trip? I have. I'm checking in on the outfits every day.

She looks great. She looks great. She always looks great. I know. I really liked her white outfit that she wore. Did you see that? It was kind of like a... Oh, with the little pockets?

Yeah. Because I had a moment or I was like, oh, maybe I should get that for my wedding dress. I was thinking of you as well. And then it's too late. And also, like, I don't know whether the pockets would be flattering on me, but she looked fantastic.

Yeah, she's really dead. She's killing it. Yeah. And they just, like, they're so imperial. It's like both like... It's just crazy. It's really intense. You know.

It's an intense experience. It's very weird that they're still doing this. I know. Like, why is that, like, while I love watching her fashion, I'm also like, why are they doing this? Like, India is a free country? Like, no longer under British rule? I don't really get it, but okay.

Yeah. Still enjoying her fashion. Next, Ben Affleck, directing a Batman movie? That's all coming up Affleck. Is it? You know, he made this decision. I know. He freely took on the role of Batman, and now he gets to write and direct his own Batman.

He's making other movies at Warner Bros. brothers. I think... I think we can be certain that he's delusions of grandeur. Absolutely, which makes him interesting. Does it not? Yes, it does. It certainly makes him... But it's very funny to, like, watch the world kind of cater to these whims of his. I know. I know. It's like, it's like this, like the sea turns for him. It, like, it will definitely, when the biography of Ben Affleck has written, like the Batman

period is a fascinating... That's a good future career for you. Study of self-discretion. Ben Affleck Biographer? Can't wait. Good. Bye, Ringer. I have a new job now. Gilmore Girl set photos coming out. I was thrilled to see Luke and Lorela at a town meeting together

sitting next to each other. It's just really made me happy. I love town meetings and Gilmore Girls. The more I think about it, the more I question the Luke and Lorale relationship. Interesting. Well, it's something they might not be together, right? I mean, they'll be together at the end. They're not. I mean, which is sort of jump off the building. Lastly, speaking of sad things, me jumping up a building, Garrett Hedland and Kirsten Duns broke up shortly after we celebrated the relationship. Yeah, I just, you know, I'm not sure that we have the power to jinx anything, but if we played

any part in that, I'm really sorry. So sorry, guys, yeah. After five years of dating, it's just tough. Maybe she's, like, riding high off of how great she was in Fargo, and she's trying to, like, she's like, you know what? It can't be held down right now. Sorry, Garrett. That would be great.

Did she watch Fargo? Yes. She was very good. She was very good. I hope that that's what happened for her. I hope it's what happened for both of them. I hope it was mutual. I hope that we had literally nothing to do with it.

And I hope that they both find love so that we can talk about it on celebrity dating round too, which we are going to do. Yeah. I heard from a lot of people. We forgot some celebrities. That's great. That just means that there's more to discuss next time. Yeah.

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