The Press Box - 'Jam Session' — A DTR Special: Joe Jonas–Sophie Turner, Jenny Slate–Chris Evans, and Prince Harry–Meghan Markle (Ep. 366)

Episode Date: October 18, 2017

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss the hottest celebrity dating storylines, including Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner's engagement (6:00), Jenny Slate and Chris Evans's romantic evening in Atlanta (16:00), Scarlett Johansson's new look (28:00), and Prince Harry's engagement to Meghan Markle (36:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Amanda Bowman. We're going to pick things up in mood this week a little bit. The Harvey Weinstein situation, which has now become just a general sexual harassment and assault situation and entertainment. And in the world, in general. And in the world, correct. It's ongoing. And we're going to keep talking about it. after two consecutive weeks of doing so.

We're going to lean into some happier news. It's really just some lighter news. It doesn't even matter if it's happy or not. It's just way lighter. Yeah, this is a safe space. Yeah. This is a DTR-only podcast. Yeah.

We're going to just talk about some celebrity couples. We have really a lightning round. I have one, two, three, four, seven. Yes. Seven celebrity couple updates. Some happy, some sad. It's the circle of life and love and relationships chronicled by the tabloids. It's great.

Let's just get into it. Who's first? Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas. Engaged. Engaged. So this is a May December romance that has turned to engagement. How is it May December? What are the ages here?

I just meant like in terms of the calendar. Like this is not... I thought you meant one of them was like 20 years older and I didn't know about it. Is that what a May December romance is? I thought it was like a summer fling. It's basically a polite term for very creepy relationships when old men are praying on younger women. Sorry, I said I was going to keep it light.

and sometimes life just kind of comes in. He is older. He's 27. She's 21. That's fine. Sure. Do you buy into the theory that like 21 in Hollywood years is more like 30? No. I don't really either. Because even if like you have lived more life than the average 21 year old, your emotional development isn't necessarily that much further along. If anything, I would say that a Hollywood 21 is younger emotionally than the average person's 21. You've certainly had career advancements and... Presumably dollars.

Yeah, and seen more of the world. In the case of Sophie Turner. Yeah. So, yes. Sorry, she's British pounds. Okay. Wow. And Brexit and all.

Let's be clear. It's really, like, we're trying to stay away from things. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I don't think in terms of relationship experience that Hollywood makes you any more ready to get married. True. Agreed. all. I agree. I think in ways it makes you, like you said, like even

less. Like not only are you, it's just like you have so much more changing to do. I'm certainly not the same as I was at 21. Thank God. Yes. Thank the Lord. Same. Yeah, and you have certain priorities. I just also have questions,

but they're time spent together. Like, that's one of my main, one of my main cues because they're both famous, they both have demanding schedules. She is now back in Northern Ireland filming her show The final season.

I don't know for sure but as far as I know Asansa is still in Winterfell So that would be in Northern Ireland So do they film that. Okay, oh good point. Yeah. So, and he's still,

lo and behold in his band, DNCE. I just don't know if this really has a lot of like viability. I just want to throw that out there. How long have they been dating? I think they've been together

since about May? April? People got to chill. You know how I feel about this. And I think this is a theme that we're going to come back to throughout this podcast. You cannot get married after knowing someone for less than a year. He seems like he falls hard.

He had that relationship with the European model. Let me pull up her name. That just seemed like I'm not sure. I think he might be a girlfriend guy. He also is a middle child. And I just feel like middle children are likely to be girlfriend guys. Has anyone ever gotten married at the same? 21 after six months of, I mean, yes, they have in real life all the time. Have celebrities ever

gotten married at 21 after knowing someone for probably four weeks? Are we guessing total? Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't really work out well. It's like kind of like getting married to the person you met on The Bachelor. Do we think there's any sort of secret religious stuff going on here? No, definitely not. Well, the Jonas brothers were so, for such a long time, the Kings of the Purity Rings. They admitted to that being a bit. I'm just floating it. I think it's important to examine from angles. His girlfriend was named Blonda Eganschweiler. Okay. And Gawker in 2013 had a story that was not confirmed. Yes. But it was still up there. It's rumored that Joe Jonas and his girlfriend, Blonda Eganschweiler, had a BDSM sex tape that was going to come out. Do you remember this story?

I don't remember this story. Well, you just weren't in the Jonas Brothers world, I guess. I have always have been. And so I remember this one right away. So that leads me to believe there's not some religious undertones here. However, the sex tape was never confirmed and never came out. But it was a rumor. Okay. Yeah. You know. Sex tapes get people far. Look at Kim Kardashian. That's a lot for me to take in right now. Well, I just want, that's from 2013, never confirmed, but it was a rumor that was really all over the celebrity internet. So that's how I view all Joe Jonas' relationships. Okay. The lens through which I come to it. Okay. Do you think they'll actually get married? no it's a very large ring so they seem to have committed a certain amount of money and

time to this she's she seems fun did you watch her in carpal karaoke i did yeah that was delightful isn't it wild that she's younger than macy williams her tv sister yes it is hard to believe anyway wish them well don't think it's going to go well but you know good luck guys make it work let's predict how long so you don't think they'll get married how long until they call off the engagement. We're currently in October. I'm going to go with called off in June. Okay. Certainly before the next season of Game of Thrones. Yeah. I'm going to go with November of next year because they won't see each other that much. It'll take some time to kind of peter out and then she'll want to get it out of the way before she goes on the press tour for the next season of Game of Thrones.

Here's the one thing that can convince me otherwise. Yes. If I get like weekly pictures of Joe Jonas in the Belfast Airport. Like that's what I would need to see to believe in this relationship. Okay. Are significant others even allowed on the Game of Thrones set? It's a great question. They don't even have scripts at this point. They can't allow like random strangers

to just come in and witness things. Yeah. What do you think about hitching yourself to a Game of Thrones star going into the final season of Game of Thrones? She only has three to four more months of work for them. But do you think there's anything cynical about riding the way

of Thrones? Possibly, but there are so many decisions that I don't understand and agree with here, and number one of them being proposing marriage to someone who you have known for less than a year. In any circumstance, I think you shouldn't even move in together before a year. I'm an 85-year-old grandma, apparently, but this is where I am on this. Let's make good choices in our relationships, even if we're famous. Okay. All right, moving on.

More Thrones. Rose Leslie and Kit Harrington. Engaged. Also engaged. They took the Benedict Cumberbatch route, though. Did it a lot more quietly than Joe and Sophie here. I mean, they put an announcement in the Times of London. Like we're on Downton Abbey?

As you know, she, first of all, was on Downton Abbey. Very true. And B, she's part of the landed class of the U.K., so I support it. Are they landed at this point? Well, they own some castles. They do want some castles. They are not the largest castles. And also they look quite dilapidated.

Yeah, she's kind of the last generation in Dad and Abbey of trying to save the estate before. Right. She's a feudal lord from Scotland. Yeah. Also, could I read this announcement? Please do. So in the style of the Times of London, Mr. Casey Harrington and Miss R.E. Leslie. And then that's the title.

The engagement is announced between Kit, younger son of David and Deborah Harrington of Worcestershire. I think that's how you say it. Yeah, it is. And Rose, middle daughter of Simmons. Sebastian and Candy Leslie of Aberdeenshire. So no titles. No titles, yeah. Do they have titles?

I don't think officially, no. Okay. But they do own like a, like you can rent it out on Airbnb, right? Yes. I mean, they definitely have castles. Yeah. Okay. I, so this is not exactly quiet is what I would say.

It's just a different tactic than announcing it on Instagram. More traditional, I guess. I guess so. That's what I should be going for here. Would you ever do any sort of newspaper announcement? I guess so. I just want to say one breaking update from Wikipedia. Yes.

Her father, this is quote, her father, Sebastian Arbethnot Leslie as the Aberdeenshire Chieftain of Clan Leslie. Okay. So they actually do, he's a chieftain. That's not really the same as being a lord or a vicarant. Yeah, I got to be honest, I'm not really up to date on my Scottish aristocracy and landed gentry, etc. Seems the whole different system there.

It's kind of like the American version of being from a Mayflower family, but like so much older and Scottish. She goes, like they go really way back in Scotland. They go back to the French Huguenots. There are a lot of people in America who are Mayflower families at this point. It's a, I feel like this Scottish clan system is much smaller. It's true. It's an even bigger deal.

What I ever do at Times wedding announcements? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Times of London or New York? Times. Both, if possible. Did you know that for the New York Times to get an announcement, if you have your photo, you have to submit a photo where you and your spouse have your eyebrows at the same level? They have sort of relaxed that rule in recent years if my general perusal of the Times style section. It's a great rule if you ask me. Like, yes, you want things to look

semi-uniform without having to assign photographers to it. Okay. I support it. How much information would you put in your Times wedding announcement? Because there's like the very bare bones version, which they were married, parents. Sure. Then there's the... Like a vows column. Right. Well, and then there's the in between.

Sometimes it's like how they met and there are one or two quotes. I'm not really sure how those are assigned and what you have to do to get that level of... I wouldn't want vows. There's nothing worse than a vows column. Like no one has ever... No one has ever seemed likable from vows. Like literally ever. Oh, sorry, one correction.

Lynn Manuel Miranda's wedding was in the Vowse section. with an incredible video where he and the bridal party surprised his bride with a performance from Fiddler on the roof. I rewatch it monthly. It's been about five years now, perhaps longer. That seems right for them. Yeah. And that seems nice.

So that was appropriate because he is like one of the most special humans in the world. Okay. Really good performance. Check it out. And it has like some of the original cast in Hamilton because they've been friends for so long. Just great stuff. Anyway, they're the only people who ever seem good in a Vow's column. I think I would be very pleased with a, um,

lineage, pedigree, and two sentences on how we met. But do you want to do that or you just wouldn't mind? I would actively seek it out. Okay. Yeah. Okay, great. All right, never in a million years would I do that. But we already knew that.

Never, ever, ever. No, I think it's cool. I like to know people in the section, too. I feel good about myself when I do. I love reading it, but I don't read it with a spirit of generosity. and so I would not want to be the target of other people's lack of generosity. Maybe that's a good summary for my life in general, but, you know, not for me. Well, this is an important sort of foundation to which we proceed in this podcast,

because we're only going to talk about more relationships. Exactly. So it's good. Anyway, Kit and Rose is a long time coming. They moved in together a few months ago. They had been together for four years, five years, something like that? It's important that Game of Thrones have a relationship that's come out, it, you know, that we always point back to the show, because how else will we possibly remember

it? Exactly. And I like it when my favorite shows have a couple that's born out of it. And luckily, she's off now, so there's no chance that, like, this could go really wrong in the next year and ruin the show. It's not too cutesy at this point also. They are really kind of... Yeah.

The only thing is they had, like, the best, like, sex exchange in the history of the show. It's better in the book, but... I was going to say that's not really a, you know, huge designation given the history of sex and Game of Thrones, but anyway. point and also George R. Martin's really bad at writing sex scenes, but the only good one was when they have sex in the cave. So maybe that brought them together.

Can't wait for you to rank Game of Thrones sex scenes before the final season? Can I just say one one thing? Did you happen to read, there was some item, I can't remember the original source, I'm sorry, where Kit Harrington gave an interview and said that Rose Leslie had forced him to go to a costume

party as John Snow. Because they were shopping for costumes, he said, and the guy in the costume store, did not recognize Kit Harrington as Kit Harrington and just kind of suggested that he should put on the John Snow costume. That's so funny. He looks so much like John So you should wear it. And then as Kit Harrington tells the story,

Rose Leslie is kind of in the store whispering in his ear. You have to do it. I won't love you if you don't do it. And so then she made him wear the Johnstone costume. That's incredible. That makes me love her. That's the sign of a good relationship. Absolutely.

The only thing about him is that he just recently stopped living with a roommate, which I hardcore judge. Interesting. Yeah. Like he, stop living in the roommate to live with her. Well, maybe it's just, he's never home. He's always flying all over the world. I guess he's supposed to pay full-time rent on a solo place?

Okay, that's very charitable. Just economical. Sure. That's what I have to say. Great. Let's move on. Congratulations to them. I think they'll stay married.

Me too, and I love it. Great couple. Okay. Oh, wow. This is a huge one. Jenny Slade and Chris Evans. Who! Spotted having dinner in Atlanta.

And he's there for filming of Marvel movies, right? So they are both in Atlanta filming separate movies because all movies film in Atlanta at this point because of tax breaks. And they were spotted, quote, not making out or anything, quote, but looking pretty cheery. Via Lainey Gossip. Via Lainey Gossip. Well, via Twitter person and then Lainey Gossip gave the most essential take on this situation, which I would love to read now. Please do. She theorizes that they could just be friends, they could be civil, et cetera.

but she's also like, this looks a little weird. There's a part of me that wants to find Jenny Slate and say, girl, no, do not fall for his homecoming king dick again. Love it. Which is really true. So true. If she gets slurped back in. Man do I feel for Jenny.

This isn't going to end well. It's not like it's going to work out. I mean, maybe it will. I in general don't think that you should sleep with your ex ever. It never works out. Never. And there are plenty of people who are in happy relationships now as a result of that, you can never really...

As a result of a backslide. Yeah. I mean, sometimes it's... We took some time. We had to do other things and we found each other again. And sometimes it's a backslide because you find yourself in the same city and you know no one else. And there's no one on Tinder that you want to have sex with. And so there you are. I will say, all of their breakup interviews were kind

and considerate of each other. Like, they were not trying to go after each other. Like, it seemed like they truly left things on good terms when it ended. ended. So it seemed as if they really enjoyed each other and were not long-term compatible. Yeah. And they did the responsible thing of calling it before it got really nasty. Right. And now they're back in Atlanta. The lack of closure and nastiness makes it.

Makes it easy to backslide. Yeah. This is backsliding. That's exactly you're correct. It's the right term and it's not. I wish them well. I hope that they, you know what? If people are having consensual sex in a safe relationship, that's fine. I wish them well. I'm sure it's great. That's always been the underlying theme of all of this, is that it's really great sex. And, like, God, everyone needs some of that in this world. I just hope that they are being, they're protecting their hearts as well as, you know, other parts of their bodies. I think her primary colors quote, calling him primary colors, is one of my favorite celebrity quotes of all time. Put it on my tombstone. Do you identify as primary colors? No. That's okay.

No, but I identify as being attracted to primary colors. Certainly get that. A certain part of me is attracted to primary colors. Of course. Of course not. Yeah. Like, you would expect Jenny Slate to go with the olive green. And she's like, no, give me primary blue.

That's true. That's a great way of putting it. I wish them well. Me too. The Atlanta thing is fascinating. Go on. like are there spots that celebrities have kind of taken over in Atlanta? So I grew up in Atlanta, as you know, both my parents still live there.

I am by no means an expert on Atlanta because I have not been there in, I've not lived there in like almost 20 years. I don't think that my understanding is not that there are specific spots that celebrities has taken over, but that you can just kind of regularly see them. Like Marissa Tomei walks into dinner or you see so-and-so at like the sushi place. There's a certain level. I think there probably is a network of restaurants and places, kind of based on where they're filming and where people are living. My other related cue, which we could investigate for the future,

you mentioned restaurants and places. Yes. Atlanta, famed for its strip club scene. Has that change as a result of the infusion of male celebrities? No, I think they're just... They're still going to Magic City on a Monday, to quote future. Yes. That's how I learned about that.

Okay. And from GQ from that article. Yeah, the Devon Food Monarchal. I assume that they're just partaking. Okay, cool. I hope that that means that the dancers of the strip clubs have more money. Yes, agree. Shout out to them.

All right, next. Okay, so this is a sad one. Okay. This is a breakup. Okay. FK.Twigs and Robert Pattinson, no longer engaged, no longer together. That is a bummer for so many reasons. Do you like Robert Pattinson?

I like both of them. I like both of them, too. I certainly like her music. I like both of them individually. I was never quite sold on them as a couple. I think, again, because they got engaged in like three months. And that's a huge warning sign for me. If you get engaged in under a year, I don't trust the foundation of this relationship.

I'm also just to give me as to what they talk about. Yeah, maybe they both just kind of chill and hang out. Do you think he calls her twigs? I have no idea. With people who professionally go by nicknames, I'm like, what does your spouse call you? like pink. I was wondering, does her husband call her pink or Alicia? Probably Alicia. I prefer to go by Alicia. Okay. Well, we'll note that for next time. The Pink's number one super fan will prefer to go by Alicia.

I really liked Robert Pattinson ever since he gave Reese Witherspoon that MTV Movie Award and he messed up the motherfucker joke. Yes. And she had to correct him. It was because he also was clearly drunk at the awards ceremony. That's why he messed up. Yes. And ever since then, I've really enjoyed him. He does give good interviews in general. Does he? Yeah. When he's like comfortable, like I think he had like a pretty epic Howard Stern. And when he's comfortable, he's just very loose. And I like that a lot. He's certainly loose. I like him a lot. He has always seemed like a stoner personified even when not stoned. Yeah. And I think he's just kind of floating through the world. Did you believe the rumors that he and Kristen Stewart were only together for publicity and it was an arranged relationship? I guess so now. I think so too however her apology to him I honestly was just thinking about this so she was caught making out with Matthew Vaughn

Rupert Sanders they're like the same in my head um and after that she issued an apology being like I'm so sorry to Robert who I hurt and it seemed really heartfelt and genuine and in general she seems fairly genuine to me so I have a hard time buying into her that it was rumored on like gossip blog that that was a fake relationship between her for the purpose of twilight and it did kind of end around the end of twilight but on the other hand that also was the end of them knowing they would have time together and like we said with joe jones and sophie turner these celebrities have they crisscross the world then it's hard to be with your spouse so or your partner i'm just reflecting back on that scandal do you remember that the pictures were on the cover of us weekly what i would give for that simpler time of of christen stuart making out with a married guy or he was he's not he was engaged actually right he wasn't married? Oh, I think he was married. Oh, okay. It was 2012, and those stories broke, and then

they were suddenly on the cover of Us Weekly, and within three hours, she had given this weirdly heartfelt, I agree. It was uncharacteristic at that point, because she was still... She was still Bella. She was still Bella, and she, Chris and Tort was always very clearly uncomfortable with the Twilight Machine, which, who can blame her? Totally. And the amount of fame and scrutiny that was projected on them, and so she was not particularly forthcoming. She was super awkward. She was not as confident and outspoken as she is now. And so the apology just came out of nowhere. And I just remember vividly that it's, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I love him. I love him the repetitiveness of it. Yeah. What a time. I know. It was such a, it was such a simpler time.

I noticed that you were saying like you support people having consensual sex. Like it wasn't even necessary to indicate consensual, like, a few weeks ago. Like, it does feel, like, when talking about Robert Pattinson and Twigs, like, them coming together and be like, oh, interesting couple was even noteworthy. Like, now it just sort of like does anyone care about them? It just feels, it just feel like the sort of the whole landscape of the celebrity world has shifted. And for that to be, like, the biggest deal in the world, it just feels like a completely different world. A long gone era.

Yeah. It's very, it is very weird. Also, her public persona, Kristen Stewart, has changed so much as well. Yes, absolutely. First of all, she's been dating women. Yes. So cool. And second of all, she doesn't talk to the press anymore.

Why should she? And when she does, it's a lot more comfortable. She was at the women in Hollywood event on, I'm sorry, we weren't going to get dark, but we'll just say very briefly, she was one of the celebrities at the L event a few nights ago. and she was talking about how harassment in the industry filters down just beyond the actresses to all of the crafts women and everyone who is working on the lower levels. It doesn't really get the attention, which is just a fantastic point and very important and not something that she would have, I'm sure she would have done it, but she was not as comfortable in that public.

Yeah, absolutely. So in some ways, I think, you know, the culture changing is great for the people in it possibly. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. It is a very different time, though. Yeah. Anyway, twigs and our pads. We're sorry about them. I wish them well. It seems not particularly fraught. No. I'm sure it's very hard for them, but it's not vicious. Yeah. Good luck, guys.

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Did you ever listen to that song in college? We're going to Ibitha. I thought you were going to do Ticka Pill and Abith or whatever. I like that one, too. I like Mike Posner. I love them. I just want to note so far at least one member of every couple

discussed is English, and that will continue, I think. This is a very, like, UK heavy. Yeah, we've got one exception, but my anglofile, both of our anglofiles, tendencies are showing. Yeah. So Fastbender and Vikander were seen at an airport,

loading luggage out of a car and heading inside to the terminal. Yeah. And they just looked like the 21st century of version of the couple they play, Light Between the Oceans. I understand why they fell in love in that movie. I think that, like, living in isolation and doing crazy things for your love is, like, what they are all about.

And it's going to continue in real life. Can I just say, I really hope that they're happier than the real life version of the couple in light between the ocean. So that was a beautiful film and very tough and doesn't. I guess it ends with love. the one thing about the movie that is like happy is that that couple really loves each other. That's true. They seem to love each other. So I'm staring at these photographs that came to our attention from our colleague, Andrew Grinadero. And Michael Fastbender's shirt, I just, I would like to buy this for myself. Please describe it.

You know, I would say it's a button down, a vaguely Hawaiian style, but it's really, it's a printed white shirt with. From afar, it looks like it has a print of Tukin Sam on it. Like that was kind of the vibe I was. getting. Yeah, I'm having trouble zooming, but the print, it's predominantly white and then it has notes of green and a nice orange to it, and that sounds really tacky when I'm saying it, but it's really coming together. It reminded me kind of of like male made well in a good way. Yes, absolutely. And there was a lot of, there was just like some like, I don't give a F in these pictures. That's their general vibe. And I love it. That's, I love that. I mean, he, He seems like a lot to deal with, and I know less about her, except that I think she looks different every time I see her.

Although she's kind of settled into a general appearance. Maybe I'm just more familiar. But the first, like, 10 times. I was like, who is that? Right. I do really like the movie X. Machina, which she's in. She's great. Yeah.

He's a great actor. I'm really into them. Do you think they will last? They're like, they're definitely my pick for most volatile couple in Hollywood right now. But they've been together for, I would say, three years at this point? Don't you think they have crazy, like Vicki Christina Barcelona fights, though? Well, sure, but some relationships work that way as long as it's not physical and everyone feels emotionally supported. It's fine. Sometimes you have a little heat. Sure. I like it. They have already lasted longer than I thought they would. So at this point, if they're willing to commit to each other, here's the thing. If you can get Michael Fastbender to marry anyone, like I guess he's in it for the long haul. That's astonishing to me. He had Bachelor vibes written all over him for many, many years.

years. Here's my concern. Yeah. He's a method actor. Okay. Super method. Is he? I think so, yes.

I believe I read that. And I just don't, I don't know. It seems tough being married to a method actor. I don't know. They're working it out. Okay. You're so positive. I love it.

What else do we have to hope for right now? You're right. Well, them in the airport looks really great. I don't know. I like to think of them as just like being a wild, volatile, intense. A couple. But still committed to each other. Yeah. What a beautiful world.

Yeah, it's great. Okay. Next. This is the most puzzling one for me. So I was looking, I was preparing for jam session and I stumbled upon these photos. Apparently from last night. Oh. No, I'm sorry.

Sunday evening, Scarlett Johansson and Bobby Flee out on a date. What was your first comment about her, Amanda? Well, we can circulate these photographs or you can find them yourselves, but she looks exactly like Barb from Stranger Things. She really does. And I have some questions about that styling. I think the main issue, in my opinion, it's a main call it an issue, but it's my judgment call, my value of judgment, is her hair. Short.

But it's like very 80s, like in stranger things. Well, sometimes she'll style it up. She kind of does the gel swoop thing, and she looks very aerodynamic and cool, and she can pull that off because she's a beautiful woman. I would certainly never get this haircut. But I should also note that I'm looking at these photographs, and I think she definitely looks like Barb, but I was also like, ooh, where do I buy these jeans? So we should each, you know. Sure. Those are some caveats.

The glasses are an interesting touch. The glasses and the hair are kind of what bring the barb together. Yeah, definitely. And also, what's up with dating Bobby Fly? He's had a lot of rumored girlfriends that are impressive for him. Yes. January Jones. Yes.

She's the most famous one because she got into a car accident on the PCH, and it was alleged. I think confirmed that she called Bobby Fly to help her out when that happened. That was certainly in the tabloids. He was married at the time. No longer married. I just think he's been rumored to a lot of famous women. She was also dating Colin Jost from Saturday Live as recently as a month ago. They were photographed together.

Maybe this is just a friend dinner date? Perhaps. Can you own a friend dinner date? with Bobby Flay on a Sunday night, just the two of you? What does Sunday night say to you? Intimate. Like kind of like wrapping things up. Let's just keep it chill.

We're really comfortable together. Sunday night is sort of a sacred space for everyone. It's the time that you spend with your loved ones or at home or, you know, they're very rarely people are making plans for a Sunday day. Sure. People love to do a Sunday barbecue, but that's in the afternoon and you go home and you're preparing emotionally for the week. So to spend it with someone else to me indicates that you're preparing for the week with that person. I agree with you. Okay. Like by most accounts, Sunday night is like a

time for like Netflix and chill. Well, in that sense, Bobby Flay is definitely, yes. Yeah. Okay. But like not like the not like that like luring someone over not in a, in a, in a, in a, in a consensual way. But like in the yeah, let's just stay home and like watch something. Yeah. I mean, Sunday Night TV is built around the premise of everyone just being at home watching eight hours of television and... Right. Really missing Sunday Night TV. Crockpot food or whatever.

Chili? Yeah. After football? Sure. Yeah. Beautiful American tale. I fear that... This is our only American couple.

Yeah. I fear that we have lost Scarlett Johansson to the Woody Allen universe. And not that I have a problem necessarily with him. Again, let's keep it light. But this is just such a stylized look that I fear it's... like she's been intercepted with some kind of like false notion of like high art and style. This is a very quote on trend look. Uh-huh.

And again, love these jeans. If you have information on where I can purchase scarlet your hands as jeans, let me know. And she's wearing a healed Oxford shoe. Mm-hmm. This is like what a designer on Project Runway would wear. Yeah, it's a very trendy look. I think the hair and glasses are throwing us off because of their resemblance to Barb. Maybe something about her face shape.

It's the shape of the glasses. They go up really high. I, too, just recently purchased clear glasses. I think you look great in them, by the way. Thank you. But mine are like a very, I like to think, a contemporary shape. Hers are not. Hers are like grandma style.

Yeah. Stuff. Scarlett. Just say no to overstylization. Just be you. Be comfortable. Maybe Bobby Flay. I'm just going to put that out there.

I'm skeptical. Just say no to Bobby. I have a dark secret, which is I used to really love the restaurant, Mesa, on Fifth Avenue. York. It's close. It was a Bobby Flay restaurant, and I really loved it. I never went. I heard about it. It was really good, too. I don't love his Food Network show. Me neither. I don't know why he's his Food Network Star. I actually don't really get it. He was first generation, kind of grandfathered in. I guess. Side note, I was catching some old Ina, where she went to Napa. Do you remember those when she went to San Francisco? She went to rent the house. I watched these recently

because I were on. Ina is the only thing that I regularly DVR and watched. Just F.A. I know on vacation is incredible. Here's the best part of that series. Thank you, so. much for bringing this. Sure. It's a whole season of Ina and Jeffrey on vacation. And she explains the concept of the whole series and the vacation every single time. She says, the rules are that we both get to do whatever we want. Right. And so they just go on vacation and don't spend any time together until dinner and they have a lovely dinner every night. That's great. They have a fantastic marriage. I'm really inspired by it. Jeffrey. I'm making this for Jeffrey. I love how she says Jeffrey. I agree you. I think that's great. Everyone should be free. Do what you want. It's, I don't know,

it's just such a classic show. I, for a long time, would do a lot of HGTV and Food Network in the background, and then I kind of stopped because I didn't like the programming, but I feel like it's coming back to the vibe that I like, and I saw I'm back in, and it's just so soothing. Ina is my number one comfort experience. Mine's still HGTV. I was like, the thing is, my favorite show is be Property Brothers, and they freaking ruined it, like ESPN style, making it too big, too overproduced, like, just like too much. Like, let's just bring it back to these two brothers in Toronto pretending they're not in Canada.

Like, I feel the same way about the Food Network, which is now predominantly competition shows, which stresses me out. There's always someone whose life is on the line and they can't slice the whatever fast enough. And that's not what I need. I need someone's house who is much nicer than mine will ever be. Making hors d'oeuvres.

Totally. My favorite type of food. I never liked Giata that much because I never thought her recipes looked easy enough for me. But now I love. love Giatta because it's like it's just so basic it's like that's like the the baseline of food network spaghetti spaghetti yeah she really leans into the Italian pronunciation of words I'm going to tell you about my favorite rumor this is so strictly a rumor it's never been confirmed okay

it's completely alleged I read it on like a random website I'm not saying this actually happened my favorite probably false thing I've ever read was that Drake and Giaada had a fling have you heard that No. Yeah. I thought that you were going to do Giata and Bobby Fleigh. Oh, yeah. There's not too. 100% unconfirmed.

I have no information. Rumored as well. Rumor that part of the disintegration of their respective marriages was over and a fair together. Yes. Completely unconfirmed, not saying it's true. Rumors on the internet. We brought it back to Bobby Flea. Yes, we did.

Good job. Let's move on now. Now we're done with Bobby Fly. This is from a couple weeks ago, but we kind of got to rail. We never got back to it. And it's extremely important. Megan Markle. and Prince Harry made a public appearance together.

It's really happening. At the Invictus Games, which is his signature event. Yes. It's like an Olympics-style situation. Barack Obama and Joe Biden also attended. It's in Canada. It's in Canada. That's why she was there.

Right, because she lives there. Yes. It's happening. It's real. It came on the heels of the Vanity Fair article. I assumed the Vanity Fair one came out first to set the tone for her to be able to attend. Wouldn't be like their first declaration of work together. And then some more rumors followed after the Invictus games, and they were looking very chummy. I read on a random Canadian website, might not be true.

It was picked up by websites like Newsmax and such, and I didn't see it on like us or anywhere. But in Canada, the rumor is Megan Markle has asked off of suits. And it's presumed it's because of her soon to be obligations as a member of the royal family. Juliet, how do you feel about this? I don't feel good about it. May I say what you said to me earlier? This is, as Juliet said, Megan Markle is foundational to suits. She is.

So this presents a problem for the suits community? Yeah, it's very upsetting. So the center of the show, ultimately the main character is Harvey. But Mike and Rachel. I literally, you've said five worse and I have no idea what's going on. Harvey is played by... Too many Harvys this year, by the way. Gabriel Mocked.

He's the only good Harvey. Amanda, you would love Harvey, too. He's one of the greatest fake men in the world. he is also totally primary colors He is also like now the star of the show But Mike and Rachel are like kind of the main couple Yes Is he a lawyer?

Yeah They're all lawyers He's a real lawyer Mike's a fake lawyer What does fake lawyer mean My fake lawyer means He never took the bar or went to law school Or LSATs or anything And he just posed as a lawyer

And he has Mike who is the fictional fiancé of Megan Markle played by Patrick Adams, who I see at SoulCycle on occasion. He's pretty good. He posed as a lawyer. The premise of the show is Harvey was interviewing candidates for an associate job at his firm. And Mike ended up in the room by accident, but was able to pose as a lawyer because he has an incredible photographic memory. And he used to get paid to take the LSAT for other people.

like he was like a kid up to no good and then Harvey was like just pretend you went to Harvard and then they had like this like fraud for a long time then it came to light Mike went to jail he's out of jail now he's admitted into the bar he's legally practicing law it's like we've gotten to the mountain top with Mike his bride Rachel can't leave the show is Rachel also a lawyer

yes Rachel so Rachel started as a paralegal then she went to law school she's still in law school she's going to be a lawyer soon but she is so central I just want to say that I would advocate for a recast and not a die-off. Are Rachel Mike? Yes. And Harvey all working at the same law firm? Yes.

But you can't be married at the same law firm. Well, my parents have a law firm together and they're married. Well, that's true, but they started it together. In fact, my parents had to, one had to leave a law firm in order to get married. That's true. Maybe the rules have changed that was many decades ago. Yeah. I think when my parents have an HR issue, they just, like, don't talk to each other.

for a while and then move on. Okay, but anyway, there's a, within the suits universe, there's a world in which Megan Markle and, I'm sorry, what was her character's name, Rachel? Rachel, Zane. In order for Rachel to pursue her legal dreams, she has to leave the firm and go do something else. I guess, so then she would just like never show up.

She would just be like Mike's wife who we never meet. Or maybe Mike was with her. Maybe Mike's story is done. No, Patrick Adams is not leaving the show. I guarantee you. leaving this show. Well, I don't know what to tell you then. I, this, my, one of my most controversial opinions is I prefer a recast to a die-off. Okay. I would have preferred that Derek Shepard get recast on Grace's Anatomy, then killed,

and have to suffer through all these ridiculous Meredith relationships. Like, none of them will work out on the TV show. And, like, and I would, I wish that Charlie had been recast on girls, because then Marney might not have gone off the deep end so badly. Like, let's, let's take it back to the Bewitch days and just acknowledge that a character is a character growth in a very defined universe, and they can be inhabited by many actors. I prefer the die-off, and here's why. Because otherwise, you're just prolonging a ridiculous relationship forever and ever, and it becomes, there's closure to a die-off.

Sure. And narratively speaking, I prefer that to the nonsense of 15 seasons of Will They Won't They? Yeah. Yeah. Both Derek and Meredith and Rachel and Mike, we've been through so much Will They Won't They that they are doing it. have and it just feels so unfair to make me like go back into the dating pool with with the one who's left behind let me ask you something sure if you had to choose between the future of suits

uh-huh and megyn markle becoming a princess of the united kingdom which is actually not the point megan markle and prince harry marrying each other because princesses whatever who cares she'll never have any real power anyway that's true none of them do their fingerheads i guess i prefer for two real people to find happiness than for a fake show that gives me happiness to continue. But I don't know. I really love suits. I'm going to say, is that true at all? Is that just what you're supposed to say publicly?

I don't know. It's fine if you want to be pro suits. It makes it interesting. Do you think that Harry and Megan can last? That's a great question. It's not like will they, but like can they last? Like there's less pressure on him to have like a kind of storybook marriage and family than there is on William because he won't be king.

And he just, like, with all of his reputation as, like, a party guy, like, can it work? Well, I think that he's trying to step away from that. He's older now. And maybe he's grown out of it. People change. Yeah, I think they have as good a chance as any. I think that they would work as well as all of the weird aristocratic women who get paraded around a prince on a regular basis. Yeah.

Can marriage last, Juliet? I think so. A few. A few work at it. I think they probably have a better chance than, say, Diana and Prince Charles did, just because it's a more realistic situation. That's true. And they, like, they, like, found each other. And they talk about, we talk about these things more openly in the expectations. They also, like, kind of, like, casually, like, in a cool way, which I think is good.

Like, they weren't, like, set up. It wasn't, like, met through, like, their social scene. Absolutely. They, like, randomly met. They had to see each other out. I love a good meet cute, obviously. And they've a pretty good one. Like, they met at the Invictus games previously.

I'm excited. I'm rooting for them. Me too. I really am. I think it would be great for everyone. I just don't want to leave suits, though. It would be great for everyone except the suits community. Okay.

My thoughts are with the suits community. I think we have one final DTR. We do. Are you ready? It's untraditional, but one of our oldest couples. Leonardo DiCaprio and Toby McGuire. Back at it. Reunited.

Roman the streets of New York looking like complete slabs while accompanied by beautiful, well put together much younger models and vaping on the streets. My question for you is, is there a dress code in the Pussy Posse that we were here tofore unaware of? So they're in the pictures that you can see in the Daily Mail. They are both wearing like all navy, basically. And it's not like all black. It's like navy, which is interesting. Is that like a new color of money, navy blue?

It's a nice color in general. I like it. There are also a lot of zip up elements. Leo's wearing two zipped items, two, it looks like he's wearing a double hoodie. You want the jacket, one's a sweatshirt, so I allow it. Yeah. And Toby's wearing like a bomber jacket. It essentially looks like the direction that you give, not that you give, but that some bridesmaids get, which is just find a dress in a certain color.

Sure. Like, find a jacket or a top in a certain vibe. Navy's a new blush. Yeah. And maybe kind of like a zipper, bomber affair. We want to look coordinated, but we're not going to go matchy-machy-mouchy. Boy band style. Is apparently what's happening with the pussypossy.

It's so ludicrous. It makes me hate Toby McGuire. And this is why. Go ahead. I don't think the parents like just like have kids and become only parents. Like I know many parents have many friends who are parents of this still full lives

if they're lucky in personalities or whatever. When I see these pictures of Toby McGuire roaming the streets with models who are like literally half his age, all I can think about is where the F are your children and who's taking care of them. Clearly it's not you. And his kids are young. And I just, I hate

irresponsible celebrity parenting so, so much. And usually when there's a celebrity divorce, it's the man who's then seen with a new blonde. And I won't name names. But it's just, it's a horrible cliche that makes me really angry and like hate Toby McGuire and other men who do the same thing. I don't hate Leo as much because he never has settled down. This is what he does.

He's been doing it for a long time. He's also 42 and just dating. Yeah. interchangeable sequence of models. It's gross. Like I, it's like kind of vaguely depressing, but it doesn't make me hate him.

But like it makes me hate Toby McGuire. I don't feel the same way. Okay. Great. Let's talk about it. I feel like Leo is the person driving this. So you think he's the problem. Well,

if there's a problem at all. Yeah, he's clearly the, he's in the driver's seat. Yes. The pussy potsy orbits around him. But also because this is the life he's been living and Toby like exited for a while and then came.

back to it. Yes. Now obviously Toby McGuire made his own decisions. Yeah. And his chosen to spend his life this way. I suppose they have a long lasting friendship and he wants to be with Leo. He needs support in this time. But equal... It's a tale of friendship and also

dirtbagginess. In equal measure. And matching jackets. What color would you give them? I mean, Navy's the obvious one. But like, I actually think that's pretty apt because it's not quite primary. It's a mix. I was going to say dirt brown or... Dirt brown, yeah.

Anything that just looks like dirt bags. You know Leonardo DiCaprio is really rich for many reasons, but to me, the number one indicator is that he only wore a slip-on shoes. No laces for him. He's just like, no. I am so, I'm so set that I will not be taxed by having to lace up my sneakers or tie my shoes. Have you researched that theory out about slip-on shoes and rich people? Should we do the photo evidence on this?

Yeah, I would love to. to, but like, where do you think driving shoes come from and, like, house slippers? It's a great point, the Gucci Lofer. I completely agree, but I would love to see kind of the unified theory of rich people wearing slip-on shoes. I'm going to work on that for our website. For our next presentation. Jam session University, a guide to slip on shoes, and the many real estate properties

of Beyonce and Jay-Zee, coming soon to a community center near you. This has been a delightful jam session. Really a reprieve. Yes. Thanks for listening. Thank you so much. Thanks for everyone for having wonderfully interesting relationships. Agree.