The Press Box - 'Jam Session' — Brad Pitt’s Confessional Q&A and the Underwhelming Met Gala (Ep. 301)

Episode Date: May 3, 2017

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Brad Pitt's revealing GQ Style profile post-divorce (5:00), Pitt's newfound love for Frank Ocean (15:30), Chris Rock's Rolling Stone profile (19:00), mourning the loss of the Met Gala's relevance (29:00), Kanye's absence (38:00), and Prince William and Kate on BBC Radio (42:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Before we get started with today's show, we just want to congratulate the Bill Simmons podcast for winning the 2017 People's Voice and Webby Awards in the best sports podcast category. Way to go, Bill. Thank you to everyone who voted for supporting the ringer, for supporting Bill, and really for supporting us. All right, let's do it. Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliet Litman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. It's kind of Divorce Week on the Jamby.

Juliet, are you ready? I'm so ready. So, obviously, first on our list this week is going to be the Brad Pitt interview in GQ style. Yes, obviously. we'll also touch upon Chris Rock's article in Rolling Stone. Those are kind of, that's the crux of the divorce storyline. Yeah, that's divorce week. We're also going to do MetGala.

Don't think that we miss the Met Gala. Absolutely. And, you know, our general things that we like. Yeah, we'll hit our segments. We'll DTR and we'll, you know, what we can't stop thinking about. But we have already done like 30 seconds without talking about Brad Pitt, and that is too much for me. Let's go. Okay.

Brad Pitt on the cover of GQ Style. GQ Style. GQ style, yes. It's a quarterly magazine. It's related to, but separate from. Is it like hardcover? Like what is it hard bound? No, it's like just like a perfect bound like a nice.

Look at you Miss Fonson publications over here. I know that you know that. Yeah, I think so. It's the wider, it's glossy. It is like a nice. It has like a spine, right? Yes. Yeah, so it's perfect bound.

Okay. That's good. I didn't know that. Yeah, we're learning here. So Brad Pitt is on the cover of G-Hu style. It's a Q&A. It's not a propo. It's a Q&A, which I want to come back to that.

Yes. That's very interesting. But it is obviously his first interview since the breakup, which their article reminded meets in September of 2016. Yeah. It feels much more recent and raw than that. I can't believe we've been living in this world for so long. It's true.

And I think that's possibly because the actual, the event, the filing for divorce and then kind of all of the plane event and child services all happen so quickly. And then it kind of went quiet. Right. And there were like updates from TMZ. of child services investigated or they've settled or this, that, and the other. But we never really, like, followed back on it, followed up on it as, like, a nation. Right.

And now we're following up as a nation. Yes. Do you think that there'll be an Angelina Jolie rebuttal? Absolutely. What do you think will be her outlet of choice? That is a great question. No. I think that...

Got to go to Hearst. Got to leave the Kahn and ask family if they're on Team Brad. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't think that it will actually be in a magazine because I don't think she'll have enough creative control over it. That's a great segue into discussing the content of Brad Pitt's Q&A. Yes. Creative control and imposing edits on yourself.

Because if I were Brad Pitt, I would have requested some things to be edited. Or if I was his publicist, maybe Brad Pitt's fine with it because after all, he said all these things. Yeah, that's true. There are some things there. I feel like I should also disclose at this point that I am slightly related to the GQ universe. As Chris Ryan said, your GQ adjacent.

I'm GQ adjacent. My husband works there, but he was not involved in this in any way. In fact, he doesn't even work for the GQ quarterly. Exactly. He worked for GQ the magazine. Exactly. Yeah. You know, I think I have no idea what the negotiations were like with his publicist.

I wonder how his publicist is feeling today. Yeah. There was a lot of discussion here at the ringer about this, about this Q&A. And he said some ridiculous things, including referring to the director and star of the movie Therelby Blood as respectively Paul T. and Daniel Day, as in Paul, Thomas Anderson, and Daniel Day Lewis. That's just incredible. That's like when Brad Pitt is showing his true self. And that's, that is why we live for these moments. That's like then you understand how he got cast in Thelman Louise, because that's like what that character would say. Yeah. I'm like, oh, right, okay,

this is who we're dealing with. I also was really interested in how he kind of like referred to the Ozarks as a region. Yes. Not a region of the country I think about often, No shots. It's just not really, like, central to my American life. But obviously, the kind of, like, the Ozark origin story has really stayed with Brad Pitt. It's interesting. Yes, that's true. It was clearly his bid for authenticity.

It was like, I'm not a Hollywood person. Yeah, I'm part of the Ozarks. I'm skeptical of, I think he's talking about in the context of being skeptical of politics, which is some pretty dangerous ground to be on with relationships. to the Ozarks, but whatever. Sure. He's, yeah, I think he's trying to be like, I'm a regular guy. I'm not actually friends with Paul T.

And Fincher, who he also named checks. I don't live in the Hollywood Hills. I'm one of you. This is all, you know, this just happened to me. Right. Also, I liked the other, the touch of repeating a story he knows might not be true. Yeah. About Jimmy Hendricks potentially living or writing songs at his current home.

Oh, yeah. It was Jamie Hendricks, right? Um, it was some famous musician that I couldn't pick out any of their songs, even though I know that they're famous. It is. Cool. Cool. I was right. Good work. Thank you. Yeah. I really read this very intently, more than usual, because I don't know, he's just, Brad Pitt's iconic, but like, you know, he does not give interviews that often.

Yeah. He, like, this is, I actually can't remember as, I don't know whether candid is the word, but I can't remember him talking for this long in public. He certainly has not since the Jennifer Anderson breakup and in the Angelina Jolie era. And, you know, I think we don't think of Brad Pitt as a talker generally. And I think some of these quotes explain why. Yeah, I let's, I mean. But yeah, I think, frankly, just, it's a remarkable document just because it is him talking about, he actually, he talks about child services.

He talks about his struggle with alcoholism and substance abuse. he talks about not in like totally specific terms the divorce but he gets into all of this stuff way more than I expected and I think way more than he ever

has before and someone as famous as Brad Pitt and someone who has been as famous as Brad Pitt for a long time like it's really fascinating I don't know if he aced it though I have a we'll come back to that

because I have a theory okay yeah I mean this is a quote from him I was really on my back and chained to a system when child services was called. And, you know, after that, we've been able to work together to sort this out. And he talks about his lawyers and just trying to figure out visitation and custody. And it is kind of like shocking to hear a mega star talk about having child services called on him. Yeah, absolutely.

It's pretty honest. But then on the other hand. And I will say, like, I find that part of the part where he talks about how, like, the house feels really empty because the kids used to be there. And there's, like, the detail of, like, the pool floaty where there's, that kids used to be. I do feel like that's very sad. And also when he's talking about like I have been drinking or doing something for like 20 years. Yeah.

He's talking about that pretty openly. Like that is sad. Also, it's very clear that he didn't want to get divorced. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he talks about how he had no choice in the matter. Yeah, there's that part at the end about love is if you love someone set them free. Which also, incredible quote here. It sounds good when Stingsings it, but it didn't mean fuck all to me until, you know, and then he trails off.

Yeah, that's sad. He's clearly working through some things on his terms. Yes. Now, when he gets to the way that he's working through them and the language that he uses to work through them is interesting. Totally. Go ahead. I was just going to say that I had a really hard time sympathizing with him, like, purely. Yeah.

Because, you know, I'll just read the quote. He's asked, what in the past week has given you immense joy? Oh, God. Can you feel that right now? I already know which one this is, and it's just bad. He says, it's an elusive thing. It's been a more painful week than normal. Just certain things have come up.

But I see joy out the window and I can see the silhouette of palms and an expression of one of my kids' faces, a parting smile, or finding some, you know, a moment of bliss with the clay. Okay, that's nice. By the way, he's like working at a potter studio and like making stuff with clay, so that's literal. And then he goes on to say, you know, it's everywhere. It's got to be found. It's the laughter of the African mother in my experience. It's got to come from the blues to get R&B.

That'll be in my book. And that is a follow up to what he had said previously when he is asked, what is pain, emotional and physical? And he says, yeah, I'm kind of, he says, I think it was more pain tourism in referring to. the type of characters he was playing and goes on to say, it was still an avoidance in some way. I've never heard anyone laugh bigger than an African mother who's lost nine family members. What is that? I just got to R&B for the first time.

R&B comes from great pain, but it's a celebration. To me, it's embracing what's left. It's that African woman being able to laugh much more boisterously than I've ever been able to. I'm physically uncomfortable right now. It's bad. That's very ignorant. Like, it's just, it's racial for basically no reason except for the fact that it's just, ignorant and he's just

you know I guess before seeing this he just is like just unfamiliar with people unlike himself and et cetera and it's just very like

narcissistic and it's very it's very uncomfortable and so I feel really sad sad for him and like he is you know still a mega celebrity that I want to dissect

but like that kind of put a damper on my enjoyment of this Q&A like it's just it's just foolish yes it's ignorant it's ignorant on its own it's just like

not something you ever need to say that's that's bad It betrays also a larger sense of thinking that he is working through some stuff with like a very limited understanding of the larger world and his place in it and the right way to break these things down. Totally. Which is running throughout. Yeah. And like it's just a, this kind of gets back to what you're saying about like, you know, doing a Q&A versus a profile and like kind of getting final say on what runs. It's hard to imagine that this was approved by a publicist, honestly.

Well, you know, I'm sure it wasn't. I'm sure that they agreed to a Q&A. And traditionally, celebrities actually prefer Q&As to kind of like a write-through. Right. Because at least you know it's... Because no one can kind of put their observations around you. It's just your quote that stands alone. Totally.

My... The quote that I keep thinking about, that one's just bad. Really bad. That one is really bad. The one I keep going back to is, um, he talks about how he's going through therapy. And he says, I just started therapy. I love it.

I love it. I went through two therapists to get to the right one. I keep thinking a lot about this. Anyone who has ever been to therapy and you should all go, it's very helpful. Sure. I totally support therapy. You have to go see a bunch of therapists to find the right one. That is just like normal, basic process.

You don't marry the first person you date. Exactly. You go and you find the right fit. My man is out here talking about how he's like Andrew Garfield preparing for silence. And it's like six years of, like I was in, you know, emotional pain camp. And I've like, I did all this extra work where it's not extra work. You just did what everyone has to do. This is the process.

Yeah, this is how you make sense with yourself. And I, like sense of yourself, this is the work that you have to do to be a human. And that's kind of running throughout. So it's hard because he's trying in his way. His way is not normal. in any sense of the word. Right. And he's a little of the rarefied life.

Yeah. There are also some just like incredible lines that I would like to call out here. Let's do it. When he says that he is listening to Marvin Gay's Hear My Dear. Yes. That is like the one gauntlet that is incredible. Yeah. Here My Dear is a famous album that Marvin Gay wrote about his divorce in order to pay off salimony.

So that is great. Also, we were making a lot of fun about this in the ringer slack. I just feel like we should talk about it. I've been listening to a lot of Frank Ocean. I find this young man so special. It's just like... Welcome, Brad. You and many others.

I find this young man so special. I mean, the man is 53. Yes. And he's in like divorced dad situation. He's working through a lot. Damn, does he look good for 53? Yeah, so here's my larger theory that I wanted to come back to. This is an attractive man.

So this interview with Mike Padernet was accompanied with... like a huge photo shoot in the national parks and it was taken by Ryan McGinley, the photographer. And the photographs are incredible. The photographs are great. He looks great, albeit pretty skinny. A little gaunt. Yeah, well, like some of that is, I think, like the McGinleyness of it.

But anyway. I also think we're so used to seeing him with a beard which he's had for a long time. Yeah, that's true. Now it's gone. It added a real girth to his face. Yes. So the photographs are both really amazing, but they're also, he's in a lot of weird poses.

Like, I still don't really understand how they did that shoulder one tumbling down the hill, but it's incredible. But I don't know if this was your experience on the internet today, but the photographs were what everyone was lashing onto. And they're like, there are already the memes. You know, there's the one of him lying back on the pink. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And everyone's like, when you find out basketball thing that I don't understand. And then it's like a picture of Brad Pitt.

Like the photographs were definitely taking off in such a way that from my perspective, it seems like the photographs are going to overtake the interview. Oh, interesting. Which I think is like possibly the greatest publicity coup of all time. Yeah, that's a great point. Because if that happens and it seems like there's a decent, from what I'm seeing, it seems like that's how it's going. And also they are pretty remarkable photographs. But basically, he does his post-divorce interview. He gets it out of the way.

And nobody pays attention to it. they're looking at his photograph. So now he's like back in the world and he can go back out and he doesn't have to answer anything. And it's like Brad Pitt is back. You can't ask for a better comeback placement at that. I don't know if it'll hold that way. It's true. It kind of depends on I think I was all on the reaction. I'm honestly surprised the African mother thing isn't getting more attention because it's so egregious. It is egregious. It's just bizarre. But that's interesting. I hadn't really seen that, but I'll keep an eye out for it. It's early.

It's day one. Only been a few hours. Reading is harder than looking at photographs. It is a long interview. That said, pictures do better than words on the internet. That's true. I did see some Tree of Life memes going around, which I enjoyed. Yeah, this is what I, if that's already happening and taking off.

It's true. It's true. I will say I find Brad Pitt more attractive as, like, a model than as, like, a animated man. Like, he's just so pretty. By animated man, you mean, like, a man in the world? Yeah. So you think he's more attractive? these photographs than if he was like sitting across from you?

I think if he was sitting across from me, there would be a palpable sexual energy that I wouldn't be able to resist. That's what I'm saying. I like honestly would not be able to. I don't think I could physically sit across from him. He's so hot. It's astonishing. I mean Brad Pitt and Ocean's 11 is like one of the hottest. Yeah. Is that your number one? I think that's my hair, Brad. Oh God, though. Yeah. He's so hot. I think like a river runs through it. Legends of the fall era is a pretty, I recently, accidentally got myself into a lot of trouble by saying that he looks very handsome in a Benjamin Button. And I meant the part when he's his own age. I didn't mean baby Brad Pitt. But gross Amanda. The part when it's like the 50s and he's walking around and the sunglasses,

he looks great. He's just very, very sexual is the other thing. Like, yeah, it's really intense. It's just a palpable energy. I mean, I, listen. Oh, you know what I also love? What? World War Z. Brad Pitt. Oh, God. No, I just. I just, I like Brad Pitt. He's, um, as a piece of He's a beautiful vessel Yes, he's a beautiful vessel. And this experience today confirms that. It's hard. It's hard

because he says to me so many dumb things. In principle when you take, I mean this is impossible, but when you take the sexuality out of it, I lean towards Julie. I just to give her so much props for the double mastectomy, I think it's a really big deal. I completely agree with that. It's just a very big deal that I think is underrated. Her and Christina

Applegate, great job. And but he's just so hot. So it's hard. It's really hard. But the kind of divorce press tour is really something. We're getting a lot of it because we've been through this with Ben Affleck before. It'll be happening again. Now they're officially getting divorced.

Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder how and what he'll do. It's like round three of, I don't know, Ben Affleck's like mastered like the breakup press tour. He's been through it a lot. But then there's Chris Rock profile that you tip me off to it came out today. Yeah, this is really interesting that, I mean, it's a very long profile. And it's definitely positioned as Chris Rock, like, post. divorce, working on his Netflix special, like, what will Chris Rock do now?

It's very interesting that these both came out today. Yeah, and the Chris Rock one, the real narrative is recovering from his divorce and, like, doing it on the road. Yeah. And just like Marvin Gay, he's like, I can't record yet. I need to pay my, I gotta pay my alimony. Yeah. So the most interesting part, they're very interesting to compare.

They're radically different, obviously, for a lot of reasons, including that they are two separate people in two different magazines. And the Chris Rock one's a traditional profile, not a Q&A. Yes, also. The Chris Rock one is interesting because, and I think this has a lot to do with the fact that he's a comedian and not a movie star and is used to speaking for himself. But he is, or he was taking a very vocal approach and talking a lot about his divorce in public.

Now, this is sort of the profile starts last year pre-election. October. Yeah, and he's working on his special. and so most of those quotes are him talking about his divorce and that like he's workshopping material. And kind of by the end of their profile, it seems that much of that material has come out of the... come out of his set.

Because he was basically using it as therapy, which is very interesting. The... Shout out to him for getting paid for therapy instead of paying for therapy. Yeah. I mean, that's what... That's actually... That's a great point.

I was about to say, you, the early ones are very tough to read. Yeah, it sounds like the audience is, although that's the writer's interpretation, but sounds like the audience has had a hard time with it, too. So it's interesting to kind of watch him work through it in real time. And by the end, he's sort of like, there's this line where he's like, I need to go to, like, weddings and graduations and I need to be able, like, people don't need to be going up to my ex-wife in the grocery store. So he's kind of, I think he's reconciled with, like, the,

ramifications of being public about it. This is kind of like a neat trick of having it both ways because it's definitely all in the piece and then he is contried about it. Anyway, it's interesting to compare with the Brad Pitt. My overall reaction, which I wanted to share it with you. Yes. I think that both of these men are going to come out of these profiles better off. even though in very different, like basically opposite ways,

they say things in the pieces. They were just kind of like, I don't, maybe you would take that back. Yeah. And it was just very interesting to me, like doing press and seizing people's attention is really the only way to have people like you. It's true. And like I wouldn't have thought that because I think for so long so many people, It's like if you have some sort of catastrophic event, you don't want to talk about it.

You go into hiding. You don't hear from those people for years. And that makes sense. Like for you or me, I would never want to do an interview about like the worst part of my life. Me neither. But it's really interesting. I think they're both going to work it out. Yeah.

And then they won't have to talk about it anymore. And like, of course that makes sense in our moment where you're winning as long as you have someone's attention. That's like how celebrity works now. Right. But I think it's really fascinating. It's interesting to me that also, like, for them, they're both older. It's Chris Rock. He's in his late 40s, if not his 50s, right?

Yeah. They both went to, like, traditional magazines to kind of air this out, whereas, like, Justin Bieber would never go to Rolling Stone to, like, tell his story. He would make his own documentary about it. He would sell. He would, like, he would deliver that message without an intermediary. And I feel like these are like these are revelatory because these are people who are you supplying a certain game and aren't like necessarily like have the same facility with like the new tools for expressing your story. Yeah, absolutely. And so it's kind of like not surprising that like the big really meaty profiles.

Like this is like the both Chris Rock and Brad Pitt are like maybe because they're more interesting people but also just like the way they're delivered are far more fascinating than the Harry Styles one even though like I'm particularly interested in Harry Styles. Like there's just sort of like more to learn. and it's just sort of like that's part of it because there's more substantive people but also this is just like kind of like what they're used to like they both like came up with like going to a magazine

to like tell your story. Very true. Question for you. Yes. If Justin Bieber did decide to do like a long Rolling Stone profile or a long New York Times Magazine profile like a you know basically to farm out

Yeah. Was he in spin or fader a couple years ago? He was on the cover of GQ a couple years ago. Katie Weaver wrote the piece And it was like, him and Haley Baldwin at a hotel. But even having Kate Weaver do a story, like when she did the Kim one, or she's just Justin one. It's introducing a writer who herself has such a big persona, or at least in the way that she tells celebrity stories.

That was not a, yeah, that was not a confessional one. Yeah. But if Justin Bieber did a confessional one. Yeah. Versus Justin Bieber making his own confessional video. Yeah. Which would feel more, quote, authentic to you? That's a great question.

I think the magazine piece. I agree. But I don't know if that would be true for like his core audience. That's also very true. For me, I think that's right. For me, I would say absolutely the other piece because in introducing a third character, there's someone, there's someone objective, quote, quote, which is like not, you know, not always true, but there is someone else kind of putting this in a perspective.

And I think honestly, even a Q&A was someone else mediating and pointing out. have you thought about this? How do you have you thought about that? Is it more quote authentic? And I honestly don't even know what authentic means anymore because everyone is like constructing an image via. Totally. Large corporations.

I mean for me, Bieber is such a like his story. I remember what I was living in San Francisco at the time. I remember when I first saw like the lonely girl video. And I was like, God, I'm so happy this is a Canadian. Like I was like, few. And then I remember saying never say never. Right.

On my 25th birthday. And I was like, oh my God, I love this kid. This is a great movie. I love Scooter Braun. Wow, these people all seem genuine. Yeah. And that was just sort of like, he really took off. I mean, he was already big.

But then, like, I think he got even bigger from there. Absolutely. And that began with, like, his own basically, like, propaganda movie. So. Yeah. I mean, it's just different. One Direction. Same.

Total same. Yeah. And that documentary is, like, definitely their best output. No offense to, like, all of their music. Yeah, for sure. I mean, actually, I'd probably offense to all of their music. I don't think there was a one-direction song I like. I like rock me.

R-O-C-K-me. Rock me. It's written by Max Martin, too. Do they say R-O-C-K-Me in the song for a minute? I just thought you were spelling rock for me. And I was like, wow. Rock me again. Ro-C-K-Me again.

Yeah. Anyway, it's just a very different, like, media landscape. Basically, we're old. Yeah, we're old. So is Bride Pitt. That's okay. It's nice that there are still old people in the world who can make a splash. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Brad Pitt looks incredible. I mean, I know he looks kind of

sad and gone, but like, for 53. The photographs are amazing. Amazing. The interview is an amazing cultural document. May I rant for a moment? Yes, go ahead. This is going to lead into the MacGallel thing, too. Yeah. I'm really sick of the, like, Instagram and, like, hipsterization of national parks and art museums. Like, these are, like, substantive places that, like, you could go to, like, learn stuff to, like, open a port, to a different time, a different way of life. And I just feel like Molly McHugh kind of wrote about this. They just been like bastardized for photos.

And it makes me really mad. And now Brad Pitt's part of the problem. Everyone's not want to go to White Sands National Park, which I guess is like fine support the national parks. God knows the government's not. Yes, true. But like the substance is just being lost. It makes me really mad.

Yeah, that's true. If you're seeing it in a frame, it's not in like the frame of your phone. It's not the experience as being. a national park. That's true. Tell me more about the art museum aspect of this. I get it in terms of a national park. I just feel like museum is places of learning and education and just like edification for the purpose of learning for no other reason is being lost. It's just becoming like a place to take a picture and like seem like you're cultured. It's very Renaissance. Like I went to the rain room. I went to the rain room or I went to the brod. It really started with the brood opening. It's like

people in L.A. were so happy to have a museum, which is cool. It's a nice. Museum. It's okay. But... It looks nice on the outside. It's very Renaissance to me. It's very like Medici, where it's just sort of like the conspicuous consumption of art, not like the actual learning. Which I just support education and knowledge, and so it really bothers me. Which brings us to the Metgala, which certainly is not about learning and education.

It's not. Though in Instagram's defense, the Metropolitan Museum of Art had been co-opted by Vogue. That's true. years before this. That's definitely true. And at least the Met is so large that you could kind of separate the Costume Institute from like the Temple. Are you opposed to the costume Institute? No, I'm not. Okay. I also really like the kind of a post script on this Met Gala. Met Gala. Do you say gala or gala? I say Gala. I think I see Gala usually as well. Anyway, the postscript emerging is that no one really followed the rules except for Caroline Kennedy and Rihanna,

who actually wore. And Tracy Ellis Ross. And Tracy Ellis Ross. Those were like the only people who actually wore actual costumes or outfits in line with what Com de Garcant's about. Yeah, who even had any idea what was going on. So I think we can declare this is the year the Met Gallo ended. You know what? That's not true. Forel and his wife Helen also. Of course. I mean, of course. Yeah. And then, all is a man of substance. I actually believe that. And like, his wife Helen wore like the actual giant like red, um, like a collade man suit. Yeah, yeah. Like, and then was immediately turned into a meme by a bunch of Dodo. on the internet who didn't even understand, like, what Come to Garzaan or Ray Kawakubu is about.

So I actually read it. I have a great thing about Vulture about it this morning. Go ahead. Just about how, like, Com to Garsohn's about, like, sort of making people feel uncomfortable with the standards of fashion and, like, beauty. And so that's why it's, like, kind of these giant costumes that aren't necessarily, like, accentuating, like, your body. Not that's, like, how you should definitely dress every day, but it's a statement. It's art. It's clothes as armor also.

Yeah. Yeah. Which also gets back to the mission of the Costum Institute. It really has a very large armor collection. Yes. Anyway, almost no one followed the rules. Literally. And not in it.

Like, no one who went off book looked good, really. Except for Lala. She looked great. Yeah, she looked great. But she's got an agenda, which is that she's mad at her, a strange husband. Right, that's true. I'm trying to think. Like, Kim Kardashian was literally wearing, like, a beach cover-up.

I was very confused. So was Kendall, basically? Yeah, well, that was like a, that was a biggest pool. That was a vagina covering. That was a, like a biggest pool of vagina covering. Yeah. And then, go ahead. Everyone lost interest in the event, only wanted to smoke.

So they went to the bathroom and took a lot of pictures. Yeah. A ton of people, like there apparently were several different groups of smokers in the bathroom also. Because there's like the original, there's the one uniform. selfie, which you've got, I'm looking at it right now. You got Kim, Kendall, Kylie, Aesap Rocky, Frank Ocean's in there, Diddy. He had a great night on the red carpet. Yeah, that was fantastic. You're right, you right. Brea Larson is sort of like cringing in there. Has Brie Larson ever smoked a cigarette in her life? No, I can't believe she got in this picture.

Who's the blonde on top that's like got our arm raised? I don't know, actually. Okay. And then in the... Chrissy Teigen's just on the outside of it. I believe that's her on the far right. Where is that Chrissy Tegan? I think that actually, from another angle, I believe that that is Elizabeth Chambers, Army Hammer's wife, who I, as you know. An object of interest for you.

I stayed up late last night, still trying to Google her family and what the deal is with her. Did you get any info? No, I didn't. I can't crack the case. She also took a selfie from inside the bathroom, and she's standing next to Bree. So I think that that's her. Yeah. Anyway, I, this looks really fake and not cool.

I think this is like the Instagram. This is like the internet cool kids. Yeah. And then there's like the internet B list, which was like the other picture, which was like Rami Malick and other like Netflix and TV stars, which is my preferred cohort. There's one photo that I can't find now that Stella McCartney and Maggie. Jillon Hall in the back smoking, which is like, that's the actual cool people, but they're in the back of someone else's photograph, which is how you know that they're genuinely cool. Yes, they're not taking pictures.

Yeah. Yeah. Also, there is from Rita Orra's Snapchat, which now I have to go take, you know, light myself on fire. Brush your teeth after that one. Yeah. There is a picture of Dakota Johnson smoking. In the background, you can see Army Hammer vaping.

And he confirmed to a random. That he was, it was hashish oil. Yes. And they confirmed this on Instagram. Oh, no, they didn't coming through with this vital information. As always. So I'm looking on Instagram at Army Hammer's Instagram, and it's when I realized that Army Hammer's Instagram profile picture

is his mugshot from when he was arrested in Sierra Nevada for at the border crossing. Shout to him. Army Hammer stays Army Hammer in a way that is really inspiring to me. And I was actually thinking about it. He's basically Brad Pitt before Brad Pitt. before Brad Pitt has decided to like engage with thought and that's great. Stay in that lane. Army Hammer's a real rich kid, just so rich.

It's out of control. He's like, he's the definition of there are no consequences. I'll do whatever the fuck I want. Yes. Including vaping in the bathroom. Yeah. Although vaping is probably less damaging than smoking cigarettes to the art and the walls of the event.

Scientifically, do we think that's true? I don't know. I don't, I'm mad about the smoking. I'm mad about the smoking. Is it surprising that they didn't have like a, like one of like the roof gardens wasn't like one of the designated smoking areas? Yeah, I don't know, having never been to the Met Gallo myself. Yeah, I guess it's hard to watch the documentaries many times.

I don't have a complete understanding about like how much of the museum is at their disposal. I don't think that they're allowed to because look, you can't give the whole museum over to fucking celebrities because they'll smoke all over the valuable artwork. Totally. Also it's just way too big for all these people. Yeah. I just think the Met Gallo. is over. Like, I don't know. There's no, there's no exciting. There was no one I was like, oh,

they look cool. Well, yeah, because there are no more celebrities. Celebrity is over. It's all. Yeah. And no one's even willing to take a risk. Haddeeds. Except for a few people like Rihanna. Rianna's the best. Rihanna is incredible. I just love her. She's like, yeah. Good for her. I also really enjoyed how for an hour before she showed up, whereas Rihanna was like a trending hashtag on Twitter. I know. And then like there was a whole crew of people waiting for her to come out of her, I think, hotel, which is amazing, that she is just like her own mat gala event.

She should have her own gala, the Rihanna gala. One day she will. That's true. I believe in her. I would like to segue to DTR from this photo. Okay. I'm springing this on you. Oh, wow.

This is exciting. Back to Kendall and ASAP Rocky. Okay. So they're together. Are they together on the Kardashian show? Is he on the show? She's barely on the show because she doesn't want to be associated with it because it ruins her. her model cred.

Yeah, but I think the Pepsi commercial took care of that. Interesting. I just wasn't, I didn't realize they were still together. I thought that you never really believed they were together. I actually did believe that one because I'd heard about it from some people who saw them out and about together in L.A. Oh, exciting. Kind of they like to go to the nice guy together. Okay.

But I thought they had to end it. I guess they're about together. I don't know. I mean, this is just one photograph. It's true. They might just be like being nice. I was reading somewhere else that he was glued to her side all night. Well, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, it's his hometown, you know. She's on his turf. I guess so. It does seem like a very awkward room. It's just like being at a giant party with all these people and you need to stick with the people you know. That's true. Do you think you're like mingling at the mechal is that, like, my strategy would not be to walk in and be like, I got this. I like a good awkward conversation and I like talking to strangers.

So I would mingle. I would leave a lot of them a huge fan and just go from there. I would pay. I don't have six figures to pay, but I don't. would start a bake sale or whatever fundraising requirements I need to fund Juliet go to the Metball, a documentary. I promise I would introduce my book to people. Like in a, in a tasteful spot.

Yeah, like something that wouldn't get in the way. Sure. You'd definitely be on theme. And then you would just go talk to people awkwardly at the Metcdala. I would happily. This is like a, this is a little bit of a brag. But I, a couple months ago introduced myself to Joelle and B. And I tapped him on the shoulder.

And I was like, hi, I'm Juliet. And so I'm totally cut. This is what I'm saying. Give me a couple drinks and I'm there. Three hours uncut. I'm ready. Let's do it. I have like a lot of like, oh, what a great conversation with people I met one time at a party and then like talk to you for an hour.

And then that was that. I just love a good random party encounter. This is content, I believe. If anyone is listening and wants to help make this happen, let's do it. Thanks for your support. I really, really appreciate that. No Kanye at this affair. Do you have any comment on that?

I mean, I'm not really. He's just not out and about right now. He's not being public. You hope that's for, you know, health and wellness and good reasons. Yeah. I wish him the best. Also, no Chloe or Courtney. Yeah, well, they're not.

They're not cool. Yeah. They're not Instagram cool? I think they're Instagram cool, but I don't really know about, I guess neither of them has ever been in vogue. I'm trying to think. I don't think so. It was hard for Kim to get there. Yeah.

And Kendall and Kylie both have several times. But I think that those are the only three. Chloe and Courtney don't really have the fashion cred that is necessary for this. Hmm. Apparently not just Willow Smith. She wasn't invited. That's interesting. I read a blind item about Jaden being mad that Willow wasn't invited.

But ultimately just going anyway. And by it was a blind item, so it wasn't confirmed that. about them, but I'm pretty sure it was. Okay. All right, let's move on. Last, last, but never at least, one thing can't stop thinking about. Yes. Amanda, you go first. Yes, I was excited because I actually remember to do one of these these times. There was an interview at New York Magazine did a, like, a quote, pop-up blog called The Job, and they just interviewed a bunch of different people at their jobs. And Jennifer Vineyard did an anonymous interview with an A-list accountant who tries to keep celebrities from growing broke. This, my friends, is a fantastic.

Because this is someone, listen, we don't know who it is and no clients are named, so we just have to trust them when it's A-list that they're dealing with big stars. But it seems that way. And she has a lot of opinions about how dumb celebrities spend their money. I would love to, it's really great. I'd recommend this was from a few weeks ago. Look for it. But so this is from awards shows. For awards shows, gowns and jewelry are usually borrowed. But depending on the person, hair and makeup can run any way. from $2,000, if you're lucky, to a more likely $10,000 to $20,000. Oh, my God. $20,000 for one night of makeup? That's ridiculous. I, like, I honestly could not believe it. I keep thinking about it all the time. That's insane.

Like, let's stroll down on this for a second. So other than a wedding or like a barman's, but what's like a one-time affair you would have paid $20,000 for? I definitely did not pay $20,000 for any part of my aesthetic. on my wedding day. Just, I want to do that very clearly on the record. I didn't even mean your aesthetic. I met the whole day.

It's just a lot. $20,000. Okay, so three, how many hair people is this? Like, you had to figure, four, okay, well, that's, how many people does it take to blow dry some hair? But anyway, okay, hair, makeup, is nails a separate arena? Like, how many different people are we talking here? I don't know. Is it like a facial in your, um, you?

hotel room. Yeah, so I guess she does say this, because the accountant is duly outraged by this. Then they're like, oh, and we need the massage before, and then we need the pedicure. And it's getting worse with men because they're getting stylists, all that. Yeah. Okay. So, oh, then private security in the car on hire, which of course they keep for the entire night. So that's $5,000, $7,000 just for the car. and then private security is anywhere from $500 to $1,000 an hour. My God. Yeah. And then also she talks about everyone who needs private flights all the time and how bratty they are about it.

And there's just this really great line. Private flight life seems great. Yeah. And so she's like, are you seriously taking a private jet from Los Angeles to San Francisco when you could go first class for maybe $2,000? Because a private would be like $20,000. And they say, oh, no, no. you don't understand. I can't go through the airport because I'm too famous. I've seen quite a few famous people walking through Heathrow and they seem to be managing it rather nicely.

Incredible. She's really mad at all these people for spending so much money. Oh, my God. I recommend it also. I cannot believe that award show glam costs that much money. Shit, me neither. The end. Okay, my last one. Yes. Very quickly. Go ahead. Will and Kate. Yeah. The Royals. They were doing some press last week. Oh, right, yes. For a good cause. I honestly don't even remember what it is. They're very charitable people.

It's before the marathon. It was before the marathon. It was before the marathon. You're right. You're right. Thanks. I know. I'm ready.

I got you. To promote this, they just dropped in on BBC Radio 1. Just dropped in for a 20-minute session. And it was like 20 of the best minutes I've had in all of April. Again, it is extremely rare to see these two just like talking live on camera. there's both audio and video so you can watch them do a 20-minute interview unedited. That has like the only time that's ever happened is when they got engaged and they did that one sit-down, which I watched more than once.

It's fine. I am who I am. Yeah. But the fact that they are just talking without press handlers, I'm sure they agreed on the questions beforehand, but yeah, you don't see this very often. A couple takeaways. Yes. He spoke 90% and she spoke 10%.

Yes. And I'm pretty sure that's because he's the actual. actual royal and she just married in. But it was kind of jarring. I was just like, this is very retrograde. But it wasn't like, it just seemed like this is like so standard for them. Like he does the talking. She doesn't. It's just like part of marrying the future king. But it was weird. Like that's just like not, it was just very, it was just very strange. Two responses. Okay. Number one, I think it's a little bit because he's the royal, but also just because he is the person who like was born into this and has been doing this whole life. He's used to it. More comfortable with press stuff.

Right. For example, they asked if they watched the Crown. Yeah. And he expertly deflected. He was like, oh, a couple people have asked me that. We were watching Homeland. Right. But it was like seamless. And he just deflected it and move the conversation along.

Second of all, the 10% that she jumps in are like the best evidence that I've ever had that Kate Mantleton has a personality. Yeah. Because at one point, he's talking about how he texts the radio station under fake names, which like I think that that's probably made up. But he said that he's driving to work and texting. And Kate's just like, what are you doing texting while driving? and then laughs, which is great. Also, driving to work? What?

Yeah, it was when he was like, quote, helicopter pilot. But anyway. And then there's another time where he's talking about, he's deflecting another question about what, you get the queen for her birthday or something. And he's like, well, you just give them the kids' presents. And she's like, oh, I see you're putting it all on our children or something. She basically is needling him the whole time, which I really liked.

At least she has a sense of humor, maybe. Yeah, totally. I don't know. It was just really, it was awesome. And then it was just like a fun glimpse into who they were. It was pretty relaxed. They'd, like, joke about being parents. Yeah.

I don't know. They're just like, royals are just like us, except not at all. But it was, it was, like, just really cool. And they just seem like good, like, just like kind people. Like, they just kind of do. They seem like kind, like kind of boring, kind people. Yeah, they're boring and kind because he has no life because he's been in line for the throne his whole life.

But, like, it's just like, it was cool. And then they do like another segment where they read the top 10 of the day. and she's like so nervous, like very deliberate in reading the sogs. And it was just phenomenal. I loved it. I didn't see that part. I'm going to go back and watch it. It was really cool.

And like I just, I don't know. I really enjoyed it. I also like how they were like, oh, maybe it's time for us to graduate to BBC Radio too because they're getting older. And like radio ones like the hip station. It was just phenomenal. So I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it was fun.

I recommend it. It's a good 20 minute watch. Agree. If you want to send 20 minutes on that. All right. Thanks so much to everyone for listening. Thank you to Brad Pitt. Thank you to Brad Pitt. And Chris Rock. Why not? Oh, yeah. I'm Chris Rock. For being you. Mostly Rihanna.

Rihanna. I'll say it right. Rihanna. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, I never do. I literally never do. All right. Have a great week, everyone. Thanks, everyone.