The Press Box - ‘Jam Session’: Golden Globes 2018 and Oprah for President? (Ep. 413)

Episode Date: January 8, 2018

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss everything that went down at Sunday's Golden Globes, including the highs and lows of bringing activism to the red carpet (1:02), Oprah’s big night (13:52), the best speeches (20:50), and the most egregious wins (29:12). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Go check out your nearest Macy's store to see it for yourself, or go to Macy's.com, slash, finishline. Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliet Lippman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. Yesterday. Golden Gloves happened. Last night even. Last night, less than 24 hours ago. It's very fresh, it's very raw. There's a lot to talk about. There is a lot to talk about. Let's start with interviews and the media. The red carpet. Yeah. And then we're going to start with the heavy stuff. We'll start with the heavy stuff and then we'll move into more fun things. We'll hand out some awards. Like best spouse shout out. We'll do some most agree to win, some audience reaction. The most fun table. Most fun table. But first, the heavy stuff.

since we last did a jam session. Happy New Year, Julia, by the way. Happy New Year to the people of Jam Session, because we're a community. Since Jam Session last gathered as a community, hundreds of women in Hollywood launched an initiative called Times Up, which is a direct response to the Harvey Weinstein and other assorted allegations that came out in the last few months of the year. And it is both, they started a legal defense fund,

which has raised $15 million in order to help women who cannot afford legal fees of their own across industries, not just in Hollywood. That's really crucial, and I feel like being not discussed enough. So much there's fundraising and you don't know exactly where your money is going to. Like, if you donate to the Red Cross, like, who knows? Like, that could be going to paying their rent, like, you know? And I actually, like, I find it to be a relief that it's a legal defense fund, and it's specifically for litigation.

Exactly. And I think it's also, it's an actionable item, which is very important. They didn't just release a letter to the New York Times and say we need to start. It's not just lip service, they're actually doing something, which is very important. So that was kind of the centerpiece of Times Up, which started by Reese Witherspoon and Shonda Rhymes and Avalongoria, a bunch of women that you've heard of. A lower point on their action list was to wear all black at the Golden Globes and to kind of turn the Golden Globes red carpet into a space to talk about issues of sexual harassment and abuse in Hollywood and in other industry. admirable goal. Absolutely.

An interesting fit with an award ceremony. And that was always going to kind of be the point. It was going to be uncomfortable because you couldn't really have an award ceremony at this moment in Hollywood without it being uncomfortable. Sure. But it was definitely, there were some high points and some low points. Yeah, for sure. Let's start with a high point. Yes.

From the jump, Deborah Messing called out E on the E red carpet show. Yes. For Cat Sadler not being paid. that could measure an amount to her male counterpart. And that was pretty amazing. Let's play what she said. I was so shocked to hear that E doesn't believe in paying their female co-host the same as their male co-hosts.

I mean, I miss Kat Sadler, and so we stand with her. Great job, Deb. That was great. Can I call her, Deb? I think so. Will and Grace's apartment's building is on my parents' blocks. I've always felt a kinship with them. Like, the facade is right across the street.

It's 155 Riverside. Riverside Drive is on every jam session in one way or another. Exactly. Another high point for me, did you happen to see Carrie Washington? No, I didn't. The red carpet. I believe she was part of the NBC pre-show. Uh-huh.

And she was there presenting, which was a nominated. And she was part of the Times Up initiative. And she was kind of best case about using what is generally a pretty fluffy. Yeah, very milk toast at best. interview segment in order to speak really convincingly and inspiringly about what they're doing and why it matters. And obviously, Carrie Washington is a pro at these sorts of things, but she was very good last night. I mean, it's important. It's political. So it's like you got to have a platform. You have to have your talking points. And so shout out to her for being prepared. Yes. I mean, that is like,

that is a big part of it. And if you are going to be the like a visible leader of this movement, then you have to have your talking points. Absolutely. Which she and many of the other women had nailed in Some of the men who were wearing the Times Up pins did not really have their talking points down. No. You know, some of them were just kind of fumbling like, this is important in solidarity, which is true. That's important. But I think if you're going to wear a pin and associate yourself with an idea, you should learn two lines. It's literally two sentences.

No. There were 30-second interviews. I really don't understand. I don't get it either. Like some of the worst were Justin Timberlake, like, basically on the NBC pre-show. He had a reputation as being like a red carpet shine stealer. Yes. Like that's like an internet joke.

And it went to a new level last night. It made me so mad. He, they asked him about the super, they weren't even asking him about, Me Too or Times That necessarily. He just was like such a horrible man on the red carpet. They were asking him about the halftime show. And he had like a, sorry,

he's doing the Super Bowl halftime show next month. And he had like some like coy answer about like how he can't reveal anything. And the main thing, he didn't let his wife, who's why he was there, because Jessica Biel is nominated for Golden Globes, speak, like, basically at all. And he was literally standing in front of her, like closer to the camera than she was.

And it just made me so angry. It's like Justin Tiber, like, we get it. You have a new song out. But this is not your time. Be supportive. And he was wearing the pin the whole time. Yeah. You know, it's infuriating.

And I thought that there were a few moments like that. You know, I like Sam Rockwell. He was kind of on the red carpet just saying words that didn't really mean anything. I don't think his heart was in the wrong place, but he clearly also just was extremely uncomfortable. There's something kind of interesting about it. I did feel a lot of people on Twitter, we were talking last night of like, this is the wrong place and this is really uncomfortable and we shouldn't do this. And I thought it was kind of interesting to watch the discomfort happen in real time and watch people try to learn how to talk about these issues because I don't know how else they're going to do it.

Right. I don't really know what the ideal answer is to the question of like, do you support? report times up like yes of course I do and then like what you're supposed are you supposed to say like why if you're a man or like why not I mean no one's going to say why not but like I don't really know what the precise good answer should be and I think that's like part of what's so frustrating is that like right now it's just a lot of words from famous people right and we're happy it's like a legal defense fun with an action item because like well let's actually make some changes and like let's do something absolutely and so it's like it's just really hard to kind of watch people fumble through Even when they are not necessarily doing anything wrong, like Greta Gerwig, after Lady Bird won for Best Comedy or Musical last night, she and Sersha Ronan were backstage in the green room, answering questions. And someone asked her, like, how do you defend being in a Woody Allen movie? And it's like, why does Greta Gerwig have to defend that? Like, are we asking Woody Allen, like, his defense for a living? Like, are we asking, like, has anyone talked to, like, to, I don't know, just like,

No one asked James Frankel last night. No one asked Justin Timberlake about it. Well, Twitter did actually. And that kind of one of the main memes on Twitter was a tweet about Justin Timberlake wearing The Times of Pin. Literally his Woody Allen movie is still in theaters. But you teed me up for a Greta Gerwig moment. Yeah.

Which we were talking a little bit about ahead of time. I, and this is about who asks questions and who gets which questions and how we're kind interrogating this in public. I did not listen to Greta Gerwig's Fresh Air interview with Terry Gross, which I believe came out in November. Yeah, from when the movie came out. I am very late.

I only listened to it last week, and I am still not over it. I may never be over it. So I'll give a quick summary, and you can kind of correct me. In the middle of an interview about Lady Bird, which is a film that Greta Gerard wrote and directed. It is amazing.

And is wonderful. And is my favorite movie of 2017. It's my favorite movie probably of a decade so far. Even watching the clips last night, I was really moved by it. It's so great. Lori Beck and Caff and Sertre wrote it are so good. So in the middle of this interview, Terry Gross transitions to the question about this moment in Hollywood and the Weinstein Revelations and how are you dealing with the conversation about sexual abuse and assault in Hollywood, which is kind of, you have to ask it in every interview now. Terry Gross is still kind of figuring out how to ask these questions.

she asked Greta Gerwig a question about the fact that Greta Gerwig's partner, Noah Bombach, directed a movie many months, not many months ago, but months ago, before allegations came out, starring Dustin Hoffman. Yes. And Terry Gross wanted Greta Gerwig to answer for her partner's leading man's actions. Right. I just don't understand. I am baffled by this. It's very weird. I cannot believe it did get more attention.

I think, okay, so obviously it's ridiculous. She's not responsible for no Bombach's action. She's not responsible for Dustin Hoffman's actions. And there's just so many questions to ask. I can imagine the conversation pre-show where producers are like, well, you have to ask about Dustin Hoffman. Like, you just have to. Yeah, well, that person's wrong and should be ignored.

But even if you think that is the case, there's a different way to ask it. Like, she doesn't need to be the one held responsible for it or have to answer for it. Like there's also a way to acknowledge it without baking it into a question. And ultimately, like what's to me so frustrating about it is like this is a interview about like an amazing movie and about about women. It's about a mother and a daughter ultimately at the end of the day. And it is so it undercuts that so much by focusing on her partner's decisions about another man.

Like it is so besides the point of what the heart of Lady Bird is about. It's so frustrating. And I think if you haven't listened to this interview, view, it's extremely frustrating, but also fascinating because I think Reda Gareg handles herself so well. And eventually it makes the point you just made. She talks a lot about the fear of talking about these issues and getting it wrong, which I think, I know I feel that. I don't want to speak for you, but we've talked about it. Sure. And then she does make the point of part of the frustration of this is that as a woman, she doesn't get to talk about her own work. Yeah. Which is very frustrating.

And, you know, we started this with talking about should she have to answer for Woody Allen. And I don't know. You know, I think at some point I would like to hear her thoughts about it. I don't think that she has to, I don't think she's responsible for what he did or for policing him. I would be curious to hear from her as someone who I admire and who I think looks at these issues in the right way. But it happens so quickly that we go from asking someone about their thoughts and experience. experiences to expecting them to be accountable. And by them, I mean so often women, to be accountable for the actions of men and the actions

of, you know, the actions that are not theirs. I think that also one thing that I find frustrating in sort of like the grandstanding that goes on sort of like, well, I'm going to ask the hard question is it collapses differences between offenses. And Woody Allen is not James Franco and James Franco's not Harvey Weinstein. And Harvey Weinstein is not Louis C.K. And just to be clear, like, James Franco, there's just rumors about him right now. And Woody Allen there have been rumors and salacious details about him and his relationship

with Sunni Brevin for, you know, forever. And the fact that I had to make those caveats speaks to the point that, like, all of these are separate cases. And it's not like there's one universal experience of harassment or abuse or rape. Right. And so by kind of like going for the question and making people defend themselves on the spot, it really, in some ways, diminishes the offenses to me. because it just makes it like an issue instead of a real life problem or like an actual trauma.

And that is also very frustrating to watch. And like I, and that's not to say like we shouldn't talk about it. And like I agree with you. Like we should hear what Greta Gerwig has to say at some point. But like, um, ambushing her with a question when she's like elated because she just won is unfair and counterproductive. Right. And then to tie it back to the red carpet in a way, while I do not think that wearing a black dress changes anything or is, the only statement that you can make and I do not think that turning a red carpet into a political

moment solves anything. I do think it was at least interesting to watch a traditional, a bunch of women kind of take a space where they're usually hounded and ogled and turn it into a space where they can have a conversation on their own terms. And a lot of power, a lot of power restored to them, which was really, which is really cool. I thought that was interesting. It's not enough. It's not close to enough, but it was interesting. There's a lot of tension to me between the power of individual stories and also the power of the collective and how we like and it's like incredibly important for women and male allies like band together but I also feel like there just needs to be respect for individual experience as well like and I think in some ways it's really hard to

accomplish that at a award show absolutely and it's hard to accomplish it anywhere this is going to be a mess it's going to be a continuing uncomfortable frustrating mess and people are going to make mistakes totally and people will say the wrong thing and you know I think it doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to talk about it. And that brings to Oprah because she nailed it. She really did. I was just so wrapped and it's definitely the best speech I've heard since Michelle Obama, the Democratic National Convention, 2016.

I don't know what there is to say because she said all of the words so perfectly and with so much power and force that it felt both like a call to action and also an affirmation of a movement already in process. and she was so respectful of other people in her speech. Like just the way she spoke about Reese Witherspoon was very sweet. Yes. I think that's sort of like the respect she showed for victims and for a movement and also for heroes. Like mentioning the story she told about Reese Diet Taylor and Rosa Parks was like amazing.

It was just an incredible speech. She looked beautiful. I loved her glasses. Like she just she killed it in every way. I was really also taken by. started the speech talking about Sidney Poitier and watching him win and what that meant to her as a small child. And she did something at the end where she said to all the little girls watching this, which I'm sorry, I'm not going to cry, but it obviously reminded me of Hillary Clinton's

Concession's Beach. Yeah, it was really moving. Oh, look, I'm sorry. But in a way that was slightly more hopeful and, you know, it doesn't fix the world, but it was very moving. So I want all the girls watching here and now to know that a new day is on the horizon. And when that new day finally dawns, because of a lot of magnificent women, many of whom are right here in this room tonight, and some pretty phenomenal men fighting hard to make sure that they become the leaders who take care who take the leaders who take us to the time when nobody ever has to say me too again. It was incredibly moving. It also showed that at a moment when it feels like government is failing or institutions

are failing, that there are still people that can like galvanize a mass audience. And it was one of the more hopeful things that's happened in a very long time. I completely agree. She nailed it. She really did. Should we fast forward to? And with that said, we love Oprah and support her. every way, but she has no government experience. So I don't know she should be president.

So, you know, this wonderful speech and this moment of hope and basically reassurance to a lot of people in the audience who really needed it, myself included, turned within 20 minutes and should Oprah run for president. And Stedman apparently gave an interview to the LA Times where he said that she was considering it. That had been rumored before, too. Sure, like a few months ago. And I was against it then just for the record. So within 12 hours, it's now we're having an argument about whether Oprah should be the president. Right. Now, here's the thing, there's part of me that would love to have Oprah in charge of my life. Of course I would. And, you know, if when you're thinking about it as the presidency is defined now, which is waking up to someone, to someone's

incomprehensible and offensive tweets every morning. And if you think you could just like control P. Sorry. with Oprah's tweets. Like, yeah, sure, I would love that too. I would love to wake up in the morning to, like, Oprah's amazing affirmations instead of that drivel. You're going to have a great day and you're going to have a great day and you're going to have a great day.

You know, I think, number one, that's already available to you. I just follow Oprah on Instagram. It's Harvest Day. I feel a friend of already. I don't follow. Maybe I will. Wow. You definitely should. And number two, I think it's just that's, we have to define the presidency beyond that.

Now, that's not to say that I don't think Oprah is capable of a person. presidency beyond that. And I actually do believe that she's quite an effective person. Sure. But as you said, no government experience. And we just, we have to separate celebrity from presidency. We just, this goes for the rock. This goes for Oprah. This goes for all the people we love dearly and would love to have both of them in control of my life. Sure. If they want to come, you know, we could sign personal. You can be my personal president and just be in charge of my day day life. That would be great. But I just, we can't. It's, it's not, it's a quick fix that is not a fix, ultimately. I completely agree with you. And also, it just would continue the,

continue the degradation of democracy, honestly. Like, it's just not acceptable. Which is, like, it's hard to say in a sentence with Oprah, because Oprah's wonderful. Sure. It has nothing to do with her or the person. It's just the idea of a celebrity presidency. Government is bureaucratic for a reason. Like, there's levels and, like, you rise up them. And there's, like, paperwork and, like, compromise and learning about policy and it's boring and it's academic and it's slow moving and that's okay because that's government it's not celebrity i was about to say what about Oprah's vice president but no we need to keep it separate and also vice presidency should be a place for the next president to learn let's take Oprah's message and um inspire young women to get into

local politics i think probably the pods of america guys could like help with that so maybe we'll hit them up sounds great i accept let's go on to the lighter stuff but first let's just talk winner sponsors. Finish line at Macy's has the latest looks from the hottest brands. Nike, Adidas, Skechers, Converse, just to name a few. You can always find the perfect pair to take to the gym or to wear around town or both if we're feeling it. You'll also love them because these shoes will stay comfortable long after kids outgrow them

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is in full swing, and so the podcast is back, but this time I have my own feed. You can find new episodes every Monday night by going to the ringer.com slash podcast or by subscribing to Bachelor Party wherever you get them. Come for the recaps and roses. Stay for the drama and for moments like this. Please tell me you don't already have a little wiener. I do not have this. So yeah, you did good. Awesome. Don't forget, subscribe to the Bachelor Party podcast today. It's available everywhere, including Apple and Spotify and Google. Obviously Oprah won, Best Speech of the Century, or at least top two. Yes. But there's some other good ones. Yes, I've got two for you.

Yes, please hit me. Sterling K. Brown, unassailable. Dan Folgman, you wrote a role for a black man. Like, that could only be played by a black man. And so what I appreciate so much about this thing is that I'm being seen for who I am and being appreciated for who I am. And it makes it that much more difficult to dismiss me or dismiss anybody who looks like me. So thank you, Dan. Thank you, Hollywood for impressed.

Just excellent. He was wonderful. wonderful at the Emmys. He was wonderful last night. He's one of the great speech givers of our time. He really is. He's got 100% approval bargaining. Find me one person who doesn't like Sterling K. Brown. How are you doing with This Is Us right now? It's just, it's just not my show. It's fine. That's shocking. I think it's because I love parenthood so much. Okay. That I just sort of, that emotional register has been dedicated to a show. And I don't know. I just don't love it. It's also like a lot of the time jumps back and forth.

I kind of would prefer two separate shows that were running in parallel. Oh, interesting. Okay. I would almost prefer that. But I like it still. I support them. You know, the Hot Brothers, really hot. And Sterling K. Brown's incredibly wonderful.

Love Milo and Mandy. Like, I like all of the ingredients. Just the final result doesn't really sing for me. Anyway, I have watched one episode of This Is Us and we'll never watch it again. But I loved that speech and I'm happy for him. Me too. He's just seemed like a great guy at The Great Life. Yes.

I have another one. Okay. But you're going to have some thoughts on. Laura Dern. She gave a great speech, but where is Baron Davis? That's literally just all counts. Where was Baron Davis? So can you, again, we have not had a jam session since this momentous news.

Can you, as our sources say, correspondent, crossover, give a two-sentence summary of what's happening with Laura Dern and Baron Davis? Laura Dern and Baron Davis were together outside of the Beverly Hills Hotel. Yes. I'm going to need you to explain who Baron Davis is. to the non-N-N-Bay followers. Barron Davis is a former NBA player who was on, like, two legendary teams. He was on the Warriors, the We Believe Warriors, which took out with Dallas Mavericks

in, I believe, 2007. And then he was on the Clippers and it was like front row to the former owner, Don Sterling, who was pushed out basically for being a racist. And he just saw a lot in his time and played with fellow legendary players like Stephen Jackson and just like he's just seen a lot in the NBA world. Also crucially, he's from L.A. He went to Crossroads High School. Okay.

He's like, so he's just sort of, his best friend growing up was Cash Warren, Jessica Alba's husband. He is the perfect like nexus of all of my interests, basketball, pop culture was. Yes. And so to then see him making out with Laura Dern while holding her purse, which is an important note, a woman 12 years is senior. Amazing. Um, Dan, did she look good last night, by the way?

She looked fantastic. She also, she, um, showed off all the hair extensions that she was going to be wearing on Instagram, which I really enjoyed. I just love that kind of transparency. And so anyway, um, I believe on December 27th. They were making out outside of the Beverly Hills Hotel. If I could, and you can assess the accuracy of this. It was explained to me that in many ways, Barron Davis is the Laura Dern of the NBA.

Huh. That's kind of true. Okay. Yeah. So it's a nice match. Yeah. It definitely is. It's like two L.A. people finding each other.

Okay. And they've been in a lot of important places. Yes. And seen a lot of great work done. Yes. But they're kind of a specific. But they're like a niche favorite. They're not like a mass icon.

It's not like Kevin Durant. They're for the people who know. Yeah. They're for the insiders. Yeah. It's for the thinking persons. Yes. Celebrity couple.

It's like who's your favorite person on Big Little Lies? Well, obviously, Reese and Nicole are great, but like I just love Laura Dern. It's like, who is your favorite member of the, we believe warriors. Like obviously Stephen Jackson is a legend and gives a great quote, but like Barron Davis is really important to that team. That's great. I'm going to say that to other people without quoting you in the future.

So yeah. So I just was so excited when they were seen together. Right. So we should clarify. Barron Davis was not at the Golden Games with Glor Dern. I appreciate it because she wanted to keep a focus on A, her work and be her cause. Yes. And he would have been a complete destruction.

Absolutely, as we just proved. Yes. Anyway, I thought her speech was a great example. of learning your talking points and turning them into like a impassioned, memorable, accessible speech. Yeah, it was really good. It was very on message. Totally. Also, I thought my personal unexpected was I thought Rachel Brosnahan gave a great speech.

Yes, succinct and lovely. Sucinct and lovely. I love the Marvel's Mrs. Maysville. So I was really happy to see it win. She is like incredible on it. She has left just so much life, so much humor. The show would not. The show is her.

Yeah, completely her. She is like kind of like the incredible apotheosis of an Amy Sherman Palladino character. It's just sort of like it's incredible. She's excellent. And her speech was brief and she was just like there's so many women's stories to tell. Let's tell them. And she's new to this stage. And so that was impressive.

I completely agree. My favorite speech was not really a speech. But it was a moment, which was now. Natalie Portman introducing the all-male directors category by just pointing out that they were all-men. And all-male nominees are. And here are the all-male nominees. She killed it. And then you had to, there are many Twitter threads that are just the five nominated directors reacting to that, you know, to that moment as they cut to them.

And that's really worth seeking out. It's really good. Best dressed? We already said Oprah. She's won the night. She looked great. Amazing. Claire Foy was a favorite of mine. She was wearing the suit. She was kind of doing a men's tuxedo. You got to be tiny and cute to do it, but she did it with the hairs slick back. And then Allison Brie had a kind of similar look. And they already looked kind of similar.

Yeah. It was a little too close. I was wondering if they had like the same style. But Allison Brie was more like pants and dress. It was a little different. How do you do pants and dress? It was just sort of like a whole, it was in a jumpsuit or was it? No, it was sort of like a, it was just a lot going on. Are we doing dresses over jeans again? Is that back? Everything from the 90s is back. So maybe. Great. I would just say that Allison Brie, I don't know. I would like to do an entire Brie cast at one point. Okay. I have a lot of thoughts. Yeah, could have pinned on that. How much men love her. Yeah, that's certainly true. Um, Angelina Jolie looked great. Yes, and so classy. Yeah. She just has to do so little to make an impact. It's very, it's very unfair. You know, we had a piece on

the ringer today by Haley Mlotech that was kind of talking about the black dresses red carpet thing from a fashion perspective. And she pointed out something that I didn't really know, which is that though it makes sense when you think back that people try to avoid black on the red carpet because it's so hard to pull off with the lighting and the photography. It doesn't photograph well. But she pointed out that Angelina Jolie is one of the few people who has consistently been able to pull it off. Yeah. Which if you think back, that makes a lot of sense. Sure. So, you know, It was easier for her, but she looked great. She does.

She did look great. My last that I want to throw in there, Salma Hayek, I just thought she looked great. She was wearing, it looked like separate, so it might not have been. You kept saying she was wearing a skirt. She was wearing a skirt and a shirt. I was like, I don't know. I don't know. But it was like, it was just like a really, obviously like a very clingy, tight fabric.

And it just made her figure look amazing. And she looked really classy. It's not hard to do that with Salma Hyac. Of course. Her makeup was really understated, I think, for her standards. And, like, she just looked amazing. And I also think that she probably, I thought the understatedness of her look was interesting, given how powerful her piece in the New York Times was, which was one of the more recent Harvey essays.

So I thought there was sort of like a real consonance about, like, how she's choosing to make her statement. Absolutely. I really like Salma Hyac ever since Fool's Russian. So she's a winner for me. Most agree just win, Amanda. I've got a few of these. I gotta say. So the Golden Globes are kind of a fake award show.

Sure. And you shouldn't take them seriously, especially when Oscar prognosticating. Sure. And definitely not for TV either. So they don't matter, but I was still mad. They matter even less for TV, I think. That's true. Because they're like not even like, they're like a such a weird time for TV or like,

what season is this about? Like, hasn't the show been on again since? It's just really weird. But all of the Oscar people. insist that they don't have any effect on the Oscars. I don't actually believe that that's true because people look at Twitter all the time. But anyway, we're not going to take them seriously. That said, I was mad. Three Bullboards is not the best picture of 2017. It's not even in. I haven't seen it yet. I saw it and I thought that Francis McDormon performance was extremely compelling and I've thought a lot

about it in regard to you don't really see that many truly angry women on screen. But the rest of it's kind of a mess and there are some racial problems and it's not, it's not the best picture. And it won three awards. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. And it won three, like three really big ones for Sam Rockwell or Frances McDormand. So that was not good. Best picture.

That was not good. Handmaid's Tale winning. We've been there and no. And listen, I wish Liz Liz McCosswell and she's a fantastic actress, but Claire Foy is the best actress on television. I'm just, it's true. She is. I respectfully disagree, but more than that, respect to your opinion.

It's fine because she's in like eight movies this year and then she's been nominated for best actress. Oh, great. Okay. So I don't really care. The Claire four season is coming. It's actually really a blessing for her that she only has two seasons at the crown because she has a lot more to give. I love Alice and Janney. I do too.

Who doesn't? But that movie is just like Alice and Janie on autopilot. It's so easy for, you know, I don't mean to demean the very serious subject of it. Sure. But the one-liners are just Alice and Janie can do that in her sleeve. so I don't really understand. It's not a test of her. Yeah, exactly.

Who had the best audience reaction? Well, Stedman had a phenomenal night. Stadman was great. The front row table, we're going to talk about the most fun table, but just putting the post squad of everyone who's like won a thousand awards, plus Barbara Strysan and James Rowland, and then also right near Gail, Stedman, and Oprah, was just incredible.

It was so good. It also made me really excited about my 50s and 60s. I just feel like life seems like it could be really good in your 60s. You and I were on a text chain about formal glasses. Yes, that will be my look. I look forward to it. I'm excited. It inspired me to go and get the fancy glasses that I've been talking about for a year, two years.

I'm going to do it in 2018. Gail, Oprah, and Merrill all wearing glasses as part of their former wear was inspiring. They looked phenomenal. Okay, but best audience reaction, Stedman was really good. The one in the ringer loved was Timothy Shalmay noticing Tanya Harding. Yeah. That was great. The ringer really loves Tim.

Timothy Salome. And I support it. I did too. Yeah. Great New York kid. My favorite reactor was Mary J. Blige. She was, she just kept popping up in all these different shots and seemed like she was having a great time. I would agree with that. So I support it. I have one more, which was actually not in the room. But if you don't follow Manola Dargis, the New York Times film critic on Twitter, please do. Because she was really having none of it last night in delightful ways, both heckling the ceremony and various, mostly men on Twitter who dared to share their opinions with her and try to correct her.

It was great. I had a great time. I really, really seek it out. I'm going to follow her too. You're giving me all these new follows. I mean, she's also a fantastic film critic, and please read her work in the New York Times. But the tweeting was great last night.

I skipped an important award. Yeah. Best spouse shout out. Well, mine is a non-shout. Okay. When Gerwig forgot to thank Bell back. Amazing. So after my mom saw a lady bird, she was weeping and she called me.

Sure. And once she was finally able to stop crying and get her win back, she was just like, there is no way Greta Gerwig is staying with Noah Baumback. She is so much more talented. It is on everyone's minds. Here's what I would like to say. Sure. I see where everyone's coming from.

And if I had to put money on the table, I would probably side with everyone. But I would like to believe in 2018, the two creative people can support each other and specifically that a man cannot totally lose his mind when his partner becomes more successful. I would like to believe that as well. Let's just set intentions for 2018. Amanda.

I know. I mean, I know. Have you seen Noah Bomback's movies? As everyone said last night after Greta Gerrug forgot to thank him, now he has material for five more movies. Yeah. Which is extremely true. I get it. I'm aware and I love Noah Bombach movies too.

I know. I know. I mean, can we be optimistic? Can we believe? The only movie that runs counter to this is Francis Ha. And that's because of Greta Corwick co-wrote it. Listen, here's what I'm going to say. I hope Greta gets whatever she wants. Me too. I fucking, I love her so much.

I really do. I support. She's wonderful. I hope her life is filled with happiness. Me too. And whatever romantic form that may be. Good luck, guys. Okay.

Most important award, because it's the Golden Globes. Most fun table. Yes. What's your pick? well I just want to say one thing not the one that you would have the most fun at you're anticipating my answer who was having the most fun at this award show

okay well you know that I was about to say the call me by your name team looked great but yes I would love to sit next to Army Hammer and Timothy Chalibay they were doing okay I think they had Dakota Johnson there because she was in Luca Guadagino's last film and she is the most miserable person

in Hollywood so yeah Um, there someone, I think it was Dan Fogelman, right? Yeah. Took a picture of Tom Hanks delivering a tray of martinis to the post table. Incredible. So that wins. I mean, how do you pass up Spielberg with Capsha? Amazing.

Hanks with Rita Wilson. Yes. And Meryl Streep with, I'm sure, her nice husband, Don Gummer. Like, I don't know. No, she was, she had a special day. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Yeah.

It just sounds great. Yeah. A great table. And then you're in, and Barbara Streis and James Forolan. It's true. God. And martinis. And martinis. I would love it if he was my waiter. I mean, it would be great.

He seems really fun. The only misgiving at Tom Hanks is when he signs his tweets, Hanks, H-A-N-X. Yeah, well, it's right there. He's taking a joke. He's making it. You got to adapt the medium to yourself. I guess so. One more thing.

His typewriter app. I do want to say at some point, I can't remember whether it was, it was when Greta was introducing Lady Bird. And she came back right after commercial, I believe. And so they were kind of people still getting in their seats. they went to the audience and you could see Tom Hanks kind of scurrying to get back in his seat. But then he turned around and you could see him like yelling and cheering for Greta before he sat down. I was like, this is great.

Amazing. Tom Hanks just seems like a great guy. He really does. I don't think it's a worldwide phenomenon, but I'm having a personal Barbara Stridesand moment. Brought on by the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I thought you were going to say brought on by her Netflix special. Oh, is that coming? It's on Netflix.

Oh, it is? Let me tell you, all I've seen of her Netflix special is on Lindsay Weber of Who Weekly's, Instagram where she highlighted all the interludes of Barbara talking about global warming. Oh my God. In the middle of her speech. Well, that I'm definitely going to watch. Yeah, so I'm on board.

Because all of my favorite scenes in Marvel's Mrs. Maisel are punctuated by Barbara Stry's hand song. So, which is interesting because it's like a total anachronism for a show that is set in the 50s, but that even makes them more interesting to me. So anyway, I was excited that she was the final presenter, but how bonkers that of all of the women in the world and all the women who have

ever directed a movie. Not to say she doesn't deserve it, but she's the only one to have won best director of the Golden Globes. That was wild. I mean, that's insane. And she, good for her for talking about it. And she has been, she also followed up on Twitter with more thoughts about why that is ridiculous and why it needs to change and we need to honor more filmmakers, female filmmakers, both the ones we have and the ones we don't yet have. Yeah. So, starting with Greta Gerwig, by the way, who should have been nominated of her film was Best Picture. It's whatever. It's an amazing movie. I just love it so, so much. Any final thoughts? It was a weird night. Yeah. But there were moments of hope or moments worth, maybe not of hope, but moments worth remembering.

Oprah, thank you. Greta Gerwig, thank you. Natalie Portman, thank you. But mostly Oprah, thank you. Mostly Oprah. I love Oprah so much. Thanks for listening. This has been Jam session. We'll be back in two weeks.