The Press Box - 'Jam Session'—Malia's Lollapalooza, Anna Faris and Chris Pratt's Split, and 'Siesta Key' (Ep. 340)

Episode Date: August 9, 2017

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Vanity Fair vs. Angelina Jolie (5:00), Malia Obama's wild time at Lollapalooza (15:00), and Anna Faris and Chris Pratt's separation (22:00). Then, Zoe Simmons joins to give her thoughts on MTV's new reality show 'Siesta Key' (40:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Juliet Littman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. Lina Hot Goss this week. It's a big one. There's Malia at Lala, Paloza. Can't wait. There's the breakup of Anna Ferris and Chris Pratt. This is really sad.

I hope we have some time carved out for this one. There's a new reality show, all of the hills called Siesta Key. It's Laguna slash the Hills, right? It's if Laguna and the Hills were merged together and then transported to a lesser coast. Yeah, I got a lot of thought. on Florida. Yeah. And to start, we've got to follow up on this Angelina Jolie business.

Part two. We're so lucky. This is the story that keeps on giving. It is. Thank you to Vanity Fair. Explain what's happened since we were last year. Yeah. So, nutshell.

I think when we talked about the piece last episode a couple weeks ago. You know, the Vanity Fair profile focuses on a new movie that Angelina has coming out on Netflix in September. which is about Cambodia and the... Her son's an executive producer. Yes, and it's about Cambodia and about the Khmer Rouge. Yes. And I think, you know, it's funny, we actually didn't talk that much about the scandal.

I think you and I were sort of... We were more into the mechanics of the profile. Yes, and I think we were both literally kind of generally skeptical about the way the film was being presented and the way that Angelina was presented. sending herself in relationship of the film. I think you had it right, that it was kind of a savior complex narrative. Yeah. But we didn't really go into it.

Correct. Which many people pointed out to me was irresponsible. I don't know. You know, I'm not going to go with irresponsible. Here, since we podcasted, yes. A certain passage has come into, has become quite controversial. Yes. And it was about the making of the film and particularly how they found.

the children who start in the film. And the article describes an audition process that, I mean, frankly, it doesn't sound great. No. It doesn't. It sounds less than great. It sounds bad. Yeah.

Well, I'll read it. It says the casting directors set up a game rather disturbing in its realism. They put money on the table and asked the child to think of something she needed the money for. The director would pretend to catch the child and then the child would come up with a lie. And the article makes a point of saying that it's children who had experienced hardship and orphanages in what they call slum schools in Cambodia. So that's not great.

No. It's basically like, let's see how good you are being a criminal. Yeah, it's also, I think, kind of inflicting some putting children in some sort of psychological situation that they've already been through a lot. Yeah, like who already have had trauma. Now, here's the thing. You know, in the article, the next paragraph talks about kind of the psychological consequences of this film for everyone in Cambodia,

and they talk at great length about how it was traumatic for a lot of people making the film, and they had a therapist on set, and, you know, that seems, that's kind of what happens when you do these things, and I don't think I have enough information to decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. Me neither.

Whether you should not make the movie, because it's difficult for people, whether you should not include the people of Cambodia in it, because it's traumatic. I mean, it is their story. This is not a podcast that is about, like, morality and art. I think all we're united on is that we hope that the children were treated well and that this is questionable. We don't have a lot of information is kind of what I would say.

Yes. It doesn't sound great. Correct. It doesn't sound great. It's kind of the most important part for our purposes right now, not to discount what happened. But that is sort of the crux of what follows is that it didn't sound great. Yeah. People on the internet responded to that and Angelina Jolie's camp responded to that.

And so they, as celebrities are wont to do, sent a statement asking, Vanity Fair, Angelina Jolie's lawyers, we should specify. Yes. Sent a statement asking for a clarification and a retractment. And their demands are pretty intense. And then as a result of that, I'm sorry, first they issued a statement to the Havid Post. Right. Being like this is not what happened. Right. This is incorrect.

And as a result of that, Vanity Fair. made their really unusual move of publishing the transcript of the interview in full. Yeah, and also a statement of like, we stand by this. Yes. Which, I mean, has a couple effects, one of them being like the Vanity Fair and Angelina Jolie relationship is like over. It's over. That's a wrap. And it kind of confirms what we were talking about a bit in the last podcast of like,

it seems like they weren't very happy with what they got. Right. Also, did you read that we were like, why did they publish this at this random time on a Wednesday? Yes. And apparently the article was accidentally sent out to other Condi Nast magazines who then referenced it. Yes. I think it was Vogue referenced it or something on Vogue.com.

There was a big Kondi Nass leak and it was people were not happy. Yes. So then I had to publish it sooner than they had been planning as a result. Yeah, I think it was a day early, which is still kind of. It's still annoying. I'd be pissed that happened here. Yeah, it wasn't great. We relaunch the site today.

And if someone yesterday was like, congrats to the ringer on their relaunch, I'd be pissed. I agree. So there was a lot of drama, both internally and then kind of on the internet about this. And Vanity Fair was proven to be correct. The way she described it or the way that they wrote about it was what was in the transcript. Yeah, it's interesting. I think that's true. I think having read it, they definitely put the worst possible gloss on it.

Yes. And, you know, it's just a couple phrases, which I can highlight. I think the phrase is rather disturbing in its realism. In the interview, Angelina Jolie clarifies that she doesn't think slum schools is a very nice term, but that's what they call it. This is an accurate but unflattering portrait of what is gone on. And I can just imagine the number of people and like candidly lawyers

who were playing with the language to make it accurate but unflattering. Like this is definitely very calculated. which is not to justify the situation or pick sides, but just to say that I thought it was slightly less damning than everybody else did. Yeah. I mean, I guess me too. We didn't talk about it. Yeah.

No, I'm sorry. I meant like the transcript and the interview was like less damning of like Angelina Jolie's lying. Right. Right. They just tried to make it seem like I think of what happened was, this is what happened so often. Like when celebrities ask for a attraction or clarification,

their lawyers are the ones who write it and lawyers write in a very like formal way that is not reflective of like the kind of like conversational tone you're expecting so that it makes them just look worse when they're actually just kind of using their own legal recourse which they are right or entitled to do. Yeah. And I would say the other thing that was interesting in all this is that I have no idea whether this is true or what Angelina Jolie is saying is true.

I wasn't there and again kind of my reluctance to weigh in further on this is that we don't have enough information. All we have is what Vanity Fair wanted you to know about this situation, which is, I think, worth considering. But the statement does go out of its way to talk about the different ways in which the situation that the children are in. It at least attempts to provide more information, which I think is useful if we're going to have this conversation further. Sure.

Like, I still don't really think we have enough information to judge what goes on. Yeah, of course. So, yeah, it is funny. It's obviously this Vanity Fair, like, quote one. It's interesting. My first reaction was I wonder how other publicists will respond to this. Like, well, they want to work with Vanity Fair? Yeah.

Because if you see that and you can kind of see how quickly they will clap back, I think it might make, I don't know, it would make me slightly more reluctant about the terms under which I agreed to do something. Definitely. It's interesting in a moment where magazines were so dependent on access. You don't see this very often. I can't think of the last time that this happened. Were the magazine clapped back like that? Yeah.

Me neither. Let's try to think of another example. Let's see. Of like a dispute. I don't know. I don't know. It's usually also like what celebrities get usually most mad about his photos. They're like suing over photos being taken down.

It's not usually a quote. Yeah, that's a good point. Which again is I think just indicative of how important this particular moment. moment is to kind of Angelina Jolie's were branding that she kind of got involved in it because the reality is the smartest strategy is usually just to stay quiet, move on. Ignore and move on.

Like, don't address, you know, ignore the haters. It probably felt so much more personal though because the way the article positioned it as like something that she did with her son and going back to this country that she has a connection with. Sure. I think that probably made it, if I were her, it would feel a lot worse because of those actors. Yeah, absolutely. And also if you're trying to tell a story and then, you know, I still,

we don't know what her intent is with this movie. And I think we're a little skeptical of it, but also like I'm not making a movie about these issues. So. Wouldn't you try? Like, exactly. So definitely interesting. It's like almost more interesting for Vanity Fair than it is for Angelian Jolie, like the whole kind of saga. Yeah, you know, I think Alyssa Bersnack, who writes for their ringer made a good point, which is just like they're very clearly cutting ties. And they've made a decision to do that. She referenced a Tom Cruise piece, where they kind of made the same decision of this is not someone that we need to be associated with anymore and it's not worth the trouble.

It's kind of clearly what they're thinking. It's interesting. I'm curious to see who their next five covers are. Right. Well, you know, their next five covers are booked, though someone could certainly pull out. but I'm curious to see kind of in a year. Like who's on the January cover? Yeah, exactly.

Adding into Oscar season. Because it's hard. Totally. I would not sign up for this kind of treatment. So do you think the people will like insist on Q&A as a way that GQ style is it now? Like is that one way to get around it for them? Well, I mean, I don't think so because as soon as you're on the record, it can go wrong. Right.

It's true. Which is like what we've learned. And, you know, I want to be clear, again, we have no idea what happened. And, like, again, this situation, even in Angelina Jolie's words, does sound questionable. So, like, I don't want to be seen like we're not taking this seriously. Oh, yeah, of course. But, yeah, I think that there are ways to edit a Q&A that are just as. Sure, you can cut stuff out.

Yeah, absolutely. Elipsis here, ellips is there. Also, just someone can get you to say something. A very good interviewer can get you to say something in the context of, conversation that is on the record. And like you can try to get that back, but it doesn't usually happen. Good luck. Yeah.

And it's just kind of, we talk about this a lot, right? If you are a celebrity and you have social media and you can access people directly and promote things your own way, why would you give it to another? Why would you go to a third party and lose control? And the only reason to you is because they can take beautiful photographs that make you look cool. which is still very hard to do and cost a lot of money. Yeah. So if you can kind of get someone else to do that, then it's worth it.

But yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. Totally. I just don't know, like, what's next for Angelina Jolie, too. I'd just be pit. I would want everyone to leave me alone. I just be like, I don't need this bullshit. Yeah, I think that's true.

But I think the only reason she did this cover story in the first place, clearly, is to promote this movie. Yeah. Her Netflix film. her Netflix film. And I suppose also, listen, the cynical view is that she's releasing this Netflix movie at this time because it does some sort of image revamp. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure that thought has crossed her mind. You know, I think the uncycical view is everyone's talking about this and this other thing and I want to protect my children from it and I'm going to do this thing. I'm sure it's both. Like humans are complicated. Yeah, totally. But if I were her, I would also not want to do anything anymore.

I just would be done with the publicity. Yeah. Doesn't really need it. I hope she's made good investment, so she doesn't even really need to work. Lots of money coming in for all her kids. We know that she paid $25 million for home, so she's got that. That's true. She's got that cash.

Yeah. I think. I don't know her celebrity mortgage. We didn't find any clarification on her mortgage versus cash on hand. I need to look that up, actually. Okay. Maybe I'll do a reported story on celebrity mortgages. That would be great.

Wouldn't it be cool to be a mortgage broker for celebrities? I guess so, but you couldn't talk to anyone about it, right? I guess not. I would love, it's like, I don't know, I just would love to know all the financials there. If you're going to do reporting on Angelina Jolie's financials, could you look into what's happening with Chateau Miraval? Sure. Specifically, Miraval Rose. I can't find answers.

Really? Yeah. Interesting. It's not being made anymore? Well, they're selling the estate. and the winery is on the estate. Oh, are you considering buying it? If you have the $12 million to lend me.

I think it's 13. I have a million of my own. I'm just kidding. I'll see what I can do. Yeah. You need a wealthy benefactor, like in great expectations. I need a wealthy benefactor for a lot of things. But yeah.

Okay, let's move on. Farewell, Angelina. Yeah. Do we need to declare a winner? No. No winners. No winners here. Yeah.

We are all losers, except for those of us who like to read gossip on the the internet, then that's kind of a win. Yeah, that's true. But I don't wish ill upon anyone involved here. I don't either. Okay, next. Hot topic. Malia Obama went to La Paloosa this weekend, and she was rolling around in the grass.

My number one thought about this. Yes. A lot of open space for her to be in. They must have cordoned off a section for her, which then leads me to wonder, who was filming this? Who got close enough to film it? Well, so the footage I saw on TMZ was kind of, there was a tent in the picture. So it seemed like she was very much off to the side from the main.

Probably in like a secret service designated area. Do you think that's it? Or maybe she just was kind of overwhelmed by crowds. Or VIP. You know, my first thought. Do 19-year-old get overwhelmed by crowds? I would have. I went to Laopalooza once.

Did you? Have you ever been? No. I went once because I went to college in Chicago. I saw Amy Winehouse perform. It was like her last performance in America. It was really cool. RIPA, love her.

Yeah. She was not in great shape, but it was still awesome. Yeah. And daft punk was the headliner. And I was like, why is everyone on drugs? I was not on drugs. So that was quite a year that you went. Yeah, 07.

A different time. Oh, man, it was 10 years ago. Remember when we were young? I would never go to a music festival now. This one got really dark. I'm sorry, everyone. It's okay. All right.

You know what? It's not dark? Malia seemed like she had a great time. She was having a great time. So the killers were playing. Mr. Brightside was the song. Yeah, so it definitely seems like the last. I mean, first of all, if you're the killers, you were closing every set with Mr. Bright

I don't even play. Sure. Do you like the killers? Of course. Okay. I was young once in circa 2007. Or four or five or whenever that album came out. Remember the jacket with the feathers?

I loved that Brandon Flowers moment. So it seems like the very end of the set. Yes. So maybe she's trying to get away early in order to, no, you just think she's in a VAP area. I don't know why I'm being so naive about this. So that just really makes me wonder who took this video? Like, who's the asshole? So personal anecdote

Went to the TCA Awards over the weekend Yes And Sterling K. Brown from This Is Us and the People versus OJ Simpson Yes sang a duet with Chris and Chenoweth A song from my kid

It was incredible Oh so he's a theater person He yeah I guess started that way At the beginning of it he's like no cameras right Like kind of joking but also kind of not Like he wanted to be like a safe space And then I saw there was like a Twitter video of it And I was like that's just not okay

Yeah Like some people just, you could, you know what, have it for your personal archives. I certainly photographed this for good performance. I mean, video, video did it? It was great. But like, can you just have it for yourself? Do you have to share it? Do you have to put Malia on Front Street like that?

So I was thinking about this about Malia and kind of the line here because obviously we are a podcast that benefits from photographs of celebrities and Instagram and Twitter and gossip. You know, we traffic in this. We do, for the most part, keep it to people who are trying to make money off of their fame. Yeah. And if you are trying to make money off your fame, then you are fair game. Yeah. Because, like, that is, this is the business exchange. Agreed.

This is how it works in 2017. Malia Obama is not trying to make money off of her fame. Not at all. She is honestly just trying to have a last bit of fun before she has to go to Harvard where fun goes to die. That's the University of Chicago, Amanda. Come on. It's where she's from.

No, but she starts at Harvard in a few weeks. So this is her last hurrah. You're right. And then it's all over for her. And she has to, like, spend a winter in Boston with her. Harvard nerds. So let the woman have some fun in peace. I completely agree.

That said, no one is living a better life than Malia rolling around in the grass, listening to Mr. Brightside. That is the only way that you should be listening to Mr. Brightside at Lalapalooza. I am proud of her. This gives me, I'm inspired by it. I endorse her behavior so thoroughly. And I'm thrilled to know that she's out in the world doing this. and also leave her alone.

I liked her outfit a lot. She was wearing like some kind of t-shirt tucked into high waisted jeans, and she's got legs for days. But I liked it because I thought she looked cute and, like, feminine without being slutty. And I think that, like, young girls of America dress really slutty. Wow. We're just really, really going in today. They do.

All of the honest is coming out. So, again, and I feel bad knowing this because Malia should get to be a private citizen now, but there have been photographs of her, paparazzi photos of her going to and from her internship of the Weinstein Company. She can dress. The looks amazing. I mean, she's got a really well-dressed mom. Yeah.

I mean, she has her own specific kind of like young child does the 70s look. Yeah. It's great. She's got a youthful look that just works for her. She is doing great. And I'm, I as a person, I'm thrilled to know about it and I take inspiration from it. But as a professional, I think that we just all need to let her roll around in the grass to Mr. Brightside and Peace. She seems cool as shit.

She seems really cool. It's almost intimidating. Totally. I'd be intimidated by her. I did not have this all figured out at 19, which I think I've said about her before. I was incredibly awkward at 19. Yeah. Oh, my God. She's light years ahead of where I was at that age. Anyway, Godspeed. Yeah, totally. I wish for the best. I hope there's no cameras at Harvard. There's definitely going to be. I mean, how does people don't go outside? How does a child of a president survive the Snapchat lifestyle, though? I mean, that's true and it's hard. I don't understand how any. young people survive being 19 and having it all, like, recorded.

I know. Even when I text some things now, like, that are totally, like, not that sensitive or, like, that, like, important or, like, risque or even, like, confidential. I'm, like, nervous about it, kind of. But, like, I have nothing, really that could people be that interested in if I ever got hacked. But I just feel like teens, they put everything that, everything they ever thought or felt and every, like, weird picture into a. Texas. If someone had been able to video my college experience, I wouldn't be sitting here today.

I would just be mortified. I would have died from embarrassment. So I don't, I guess I respect all the teens who are making it through every day with their stuff, with their exploits put on the internet and they're surviving. I couldn't do it. I guess. I know. It's, it's tough for teens. I don't know where Malia Obama stayed when she was in Chicago. Maybe they have a home there, but could she have potentially used Hotel Tonight? What a segue? Let's talk about Hotel Tonight. So I'm usually kind of a planner,

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hottest topic of the week. We need to DTR a breakup. Yeah, this one's sad. On a Ferris. This is a bit of a downer podcast, and I feel bad for that, but, you know, like, jam session represents the spectrum of human experience.

Absolutely. And some days it's a down week. I recently had a lift driver who told me not to apologize for how I felt. Didn't appreciate him to hang that to me. However, I do think that's true for this podcast.

You know, sometimes the news isn't happy. Yeah. And this week we are not happy that Anna Ferris and Chris Pratt broke up. Okay, so there are several things to discuss here, and I'd like to, what do you want to do first? Do you want to do the method of announcement? Do you want to do the theories? Do you want to do?

Okay, method. We'll start there. News broke Sunday evening, shortly after Game of Thrones, East Coast time. Which is definitely a strategic choice to bury it among other blogging about Game of Thrones. Why not? Spoiler alert. let your biggest personal information go when there's like a huge dragon fight and a potentially dead Lannister.

Yeah, it was very smart. And I as a person who edits things on the internet was definitely distracted and was not able to give it my immediate full attention. Yes, you were late to the slot conversation because you were editing. Yes. You know, duty first. Yeah. Like someone on Game of Thrones.

I don't know which one. Totally what Jamie would say. Oh, good. He's my favorite. Yeah. I like the Lannisters come at me. So Sunday night. Anna Ferris tweets and puts on Facebook and Instagram all across platforms, as they say, a screenshot of a text message that she sent.

Yes, it was blue. It was blue. So it was an I message. It was an I message. A sent text message. It's unclear. It was not specified who she was sending it to. And in that text message was their statement of divorce.

The statement via text message screenshot read. We are sad to announce we are legally separating. We tried hard for a long time and we're really disappointed. Our son has two parents who love him very much and for his sake we want to keep this situation as private as possible moving forward. We still love each other and will always cherish our time together. Ana Ferris and Chris Pratt. So, all right. Who is she sending the text message to?

Chris Pratt is my guess. That's your guess. You think there's still... I think it's like an indication like this is out. I've sent it. Interesting. Yeah. But she technically hasn't sending it.

She has to send it. And then she's like, I'm going to send this and then sends it? Is it possible she sent it to herself? I don't know. I actually don't know whether you can technically do that on my phone. I haven't tried it in a long time since I've had an iPhone, but you could in the past text yourself. You can. Oh, Tate says you can.

Okay. So the options so far are she sent it to Chris Pratt. She sent it to Anna Ferris. She sent it to her publicist. My theory is a publicist. And it could be either her publicist for approval or it could be Chris's publicist for approval. It is true that shortly after she posted these, it went up, the same message went up on Chris Pratt's Facebook page. Pratt Pratt Pratt, Pratt, Pratt. And I assume other platforms.

Chris Pratt would use Facebook. Yeah, well, we'll get to that. So I'm thinking publicist. Okay. I'm thinking like this is the final statement. We've agreed on it. Is it go time? and then she sends it. Do you think that she's...

I always want to run something like this or when celebrities write like extremely long Instagram messages. Are they just typing in the app? Or are they typing somewhere else and copy and pasting? It's recently come to my attention that some people do really long text messages.

I have a three sentence rule. Okay. Like really, very rarely does your text need to more than three sentences? I would agree with that. But like some people just write really long messages. Well, people don't email anymore. So people just use text messages emails.

email. Please keep it email. I do too. But, you know, it is very, I have like a code of what belongs in email, and what belongs in text, and it's personal to me and I've never shared it with anyone. And I get furious when anyone violates it also, which I'm told is how I communicate in general, but it's fine. Yeah. So I guess some people are just like, I only text and emails are text now. For me, I think the main difference is what kind of job you have. If you have a job where you're out of computer all day, then I think you're very email heavy. Yeah. If you don't, then I think you text. lot.

Yeah. I guess that's true. In my dabbling with the athlete industry of like people who are athletes or our agents or work in marketing or like work at any of like a company like that is athlete dependent, they are all text message, everything. I do also wonder whether like since we have Slack, you know, we have an instant message component of our work as well. Sure.

But there's, ditto, 100%. There's very clearly kind of something that. Something that needs more time goes to email, something instant that goes to Slack. And I think something that needs more time in general goes on email and something that is more instant can go by a text message. Which is interesting that this is a text message. Right. And so this is kind of the evolution. For a long time, any important celebrity statement was made by a Notes app.

Yeah, a screenshot of a Notes app. And I believe that this-Shallowed-Otale-Shift, exclude me from this narrative. Honestly, I really, really, the most iconic Notes app moment. Kevin Durant was an early user of the Notes app as well. Oh, interesting. Yes. Very early. So this is the first sent text message public statement that I have seen.

I don't know whether we want to get into the semantics of it. It may be just kind of like I'm going to send a text. I'm going to get this over with. I want this. I don't want to dwell on this. We're moving on. That's kind of how I read it. I'm possibly reading into it way too much.

I think I was just kind of like this is how they communicated. And this was the easiest way to go about it. I'm going to stick with it. I think she's ended it to Chris Pratt. Okay. And they haven't spoken. They haven't communicated anyway but text for a little while. I don't even think they're texting at this point. It's really sad. Yeah. It's really sad. So, all right, let's go.

We're both team on it, right? Definitely. Yeah. Can I share my personal Ana Farris story? Yes. Many years ago, I think almost five years ago, wrote a story about Anna Farris for New York Magazine, not to be confused with the actually really important New Yorker profile of Anna Farris by Tad Friend in 2011. I did not write that one. And that one's really good and you should go read it because it's about female comedians in Hollywood.

It's very funny to read now actually because many things have changed and many things haven't and you can kind of control or replace like bridesmaids and, you know, rough night and whatever into the movies. are listed. But I did a piece after this that was not as good on Anna Ferris. And I think it was my first time in L.A. And so I had flown here and then we had a lunch interview and I was taking the right eye back that night. So I checked out of the hotel. I had not been to L.A. that often. I didn't really know kind of anything. And I guess I was younger and looked really clueless. So we had a perfectly nice interview at lunch. She was really lovely. And then we ended up going to the bathroom at the same time as we were leaving. Awful.

And so she says to me, like, I'm in the bathroom washing my hands, and she's kind of like, what are you doing now? Because she's a nice person, which not everyone is. And I must have looked like clueless and terrified. And I was kind of like, well, you know, I'm meeting a friend later. I was just kind of like drive around. I don't know what I said. But I remember what she said, which was, do you want to come to my house and drink wine?

Let me tell you I did. Was Chris Pratt there? No, he was doing guardians at the time. But I went to her house. I was honestly there for like four hours. Do they have a kid yet? They did. I met the kid.

I got the tour of the whole house. Amazing. Where was it? She just poured, it's in, it was in Laurel Canyon. Cool. It was really lovely. She showed me everything. We drank a lot of wine.

Her wine pour is like gigantic. Cool. She let me put much of it on the record so that my story would be decent. Oh my God. What a lovely lady. She is really lovely. Like a genuine person as nice as everyone says that she is in various profiles. And I feel really sad.

That's really sad. Yeah. The consensus among the people who work at the ringer is that he got buff and famous. and that broke their relationship. Can I read a quote from the New Yorker piece, not mine, that was very telling longness. So this was written in 2011. Okay.

April 11, 2011 issue. When Pratt tidies the house, he often finds discarded scripts with cover notes offering his wife a million dollars, which to Pratt, a regular on the NBC sitcom Parks and Recreation, seems like a lot of money. Ferris calls such parts, quote, the girl or quote, bounce card rolls after the reflective sheet that softens the light around

an actor because the whole job is to giggle, simper, and coo. Anyway, it goes on from there and it talks about how it's hard to find a good role for women in Hollywood, yada, yada. But I really found the thought of Chris Pat talking about the post-it notes with $1 million to a reporter, very telling given where Chris Pat is now, which is the star of... Guardian to the Galaxy. Yes. A massive world. Yes. Like, multiple multi-million dollar franchises. And the horrible film passengers, which I didn't say. Yes, that was so bad.

Do we want to talk about J-Law? The rumor is that maybe they had an affair. I don't buy it. I don't really buy it either. It's based on... She doesn't seem like a husband's dealer to me. I think the rumor is founded on a series of very awkward photographs of Anna Ferris and Jennifer Lawrence greeting each other on the red carpet of the passengers.

I would seem awkward with most people. Anna Ferris is awkward all the time. That's kind of her schick. She makes those faces. That's part of what makes. makes her funny. So I think it was more just general awkwardness than, you know, I don't know. It doesn't make it.

It doesn't add up to me. I'm with you. I think he's just, he's traveling all the time shooting these films and she, you know, is here on a CBSiccom. How old are they? She is. Yes, which I didn't know until I Google last night. I would have said she was just kind of, you know, 35, 36. She was 40.

He's younger. They did, they got married. I think they sort of, they met. at someone else's wedding. No, they met on the set of a film, but they decided to get married at someone else's wedding and kind of did it pretty quickly, I think. Is either one of them Canadian? That's a great question. I think the answer is no, because I've looked this up before. Chris Brad does seem Canadian. Yes, he does, doesn't he? Because he's so nice. He seems Canadian.

No, he's American. I think they both are, but I've looked this up before. I've once gone, I was the once like, Chris Pat's Canadian. I'm positive. He's not. He's American. Yeah. I wish he was Canadian. We could send him back because I'm upset. I was really into Everwood. Did you ever watch that show? I did. I mean, he's like the lovable idiot brother who starts dating the, like, nerdy girl and convinces her she's beautiful.

I mean, he was kind of like a dumb Pacey in a post-Pacey world, and it really worked for him. Wow. Yay, that's what he was. He locked, what's her name? Sarah Drew, now on Grace Anatomy. She played Hannah. Yeah. And he locked her in the bathroom naked.

It was like, look at yourself. You're so beautiful. It was like six to, or no. How old was I for Everwood? I guess I was in high school. I was really, I was like, this is incredible. What a great moment. Dumb Pacey seemed just like a good description of him in general.

Dumb Pacey? Yeah. Totally. He's dumb Pacey. Unfortunately, I've been revisiting Dawson's Creek. I don't know what's wrong with me. Bored the summer. And Pacey's still great.

Oh, I thought you were going to say that Pacey is terrible. No. Thank God. I meant unfortunately like for myself that I still think that. But, you know, I do feel like we, we watch a lot of the romantic comedies and teen shows and everything's that, like, you know, even sex in the city. Like, now I'm an Aiden person, which is, I'm not. I'm not.

I'm still Mr. Big, but I can finally sympathize with the Aden thing, which means you can just put me on a glacier because I'm about to die. I'm so old, but I was afraid it was going to be like Pacey's bad now and we should all like Dosson, and that's too far. The thing about Pacey is that he's not that bad of a bad boy. Yeah. We were 16. No, but I'm just saying that he, yeah, he's just a completely unrealistic, wonderful character. I don't know. The thing I'm watching Dawson's Craig that's so tough for me is I was so into it.

And there used to be this website called Dawson's Creek Music.com, like, the beginning of the internet that listed every song and every scene. And I, like, memorized every song that was in every scene. And, like, I have, like, these, like, sonic cues. They had to replace all of the music because of licensing. Oh, no. So it's so unpleasant. Like, it's like, it's like nails scraping on a chalkboard for me because I just get really upset. Give me three songs that have not been in the show that you were really upset about.

Two beds and a coffee machine. Okay. By Savage Garden. Oh, my God. Okay. Keep going. I'm so glad I asked this. God, this year's love also gone

from the season four premiere when Joey and Pacey get back from their trip Okay And then I mean the hardest ones The theme song is gone What? Yeah, the theme song is gone There's no I don't want to wait

You mean they couldn't get Paula pole clearance? Too expensive apparently You are kidding you What is the damn point of Dawson's Creek I don't want to wait It's so awful And like it's kind of hard to fast forward On Netflix effectively

Yeah So I just let it play It's very awful. What do they have instead? I can't remember. A song by Janice Ian called Days Like These. It's really bad. If anyone wants to talk about all of the music ever played on either Dawson's Creek or Felicity, I'm available.

I know every song. What is the point of spending all the money on Dawson's Creek if you can't get the theme song to go with it? The worst, we'll get back on track, but the worst music replacement in WB network history is Felicity on Hulu. At the end of season two, Ben and Felicity get back together. He goes and he tracks down. It's not a time machine. It's not a film canister.

It's a time machine. They watch this Charlie Chaplin film that are supposed to watch the first time he fled. And they're on top of a roof, an ice cream by Sarah McLaughlin is supposed to play. Okay. And it's gone. And it's like, that's like the real, for the real bed and Felicity Head, it's like, that's the most important moment. And it's gone. It's so upsetting.

I can't. It's just awful. I feel like I didn't give you the reaction to Sarah McLaughlin that you wanted there. And I'm sorry. But I just like heard Sarah McLaughlin. I was like, wow. Okay. I mean, Sarah McGlachlan is the official chantoo's.

of Felicity. It's true. That's very true. One of the greatest monologues is also about Felicity. I feel like this is actually not that off topic because we need to talk about Siesta Key. That's a great point. Yeah. So let's just say, like we're very sad about Anna Ferris and Chris Pratt and we support you Ana Ferris. 100%. I think

I'm also just realizing that I recently had a dream about Joshua Jackson. Okay. Wow. A lot's coming out right now. A lot of deep work right now. But yes. Cesta Key. Yes. So Cesta Key is a new show on MTV Monday night to 10 p.m. It's an hour. I personally feel an hour's too long.

And it's like shot in the exact same style as the Hills and Laguna Beach. Yes. Same like Instagram filter of a camera. Same setup. Same setup. Group of friends. Love triangles. Some rich, some not.

Parties. Summer. Do you like me? Do you like her? That's it. There's another party. Yeah. I feel like it's even being marketed as this generation.

Laguna or the Hills and an attempt to get people like you and me to watch. Yes. And it works out. Successful. Yeah. I also did a deep dive. There's a whole scandal with them. Do we even talk about this?

Go, please. During the premiere last week, there was like a boycott of it because there's a video of the main guy named Alex. Yes. Who sucks? Who sucks? There's a video of him with friends. He's not the perpetrator, but they're like torturing a jackhead, a jackhammer shark. Oh, no.

So the animal cruelty people got involved? Oh boy. That's yikes. So there was like, he's really into fishing. Okay. So are they just mad at him and july? Is fishing something that you can get in trouble for with animal cruelty people? Apparently if you don't.

I think if you, what happened was the shark was like flapping around like in the wake of the boat. It was pretty bad. Yeah. It was bad. That's not nice. But anyway, it was kind of like a weird note that it began with. But anyway, the show, episode one was good. I think episode two was better.

Certainly answered. You know, you didn't have. have to do as much exposition. Yeah. You can just kind of get into like the fighting. Right. The thing is this show, the lead is a man, basically. Also, his father funded the show.

And I have since learned as a local celebrity in the state of Florida. 1-800-ask Gary. He's the, if you're in Florida and you're listening, he funded and produced the show. His son is like the star and like the rich kid and like the hot guy. But all of the women are really like what matters. And it's all about, it's already about women fighting with each other. There's even been one girl punched who had to get plastic surgery as a result. Yes.

That was intense. It was really, really intense. Also, I mean, I don't want to step on the segment that you're about to hear, but it is worth pointing out that the two villains thus far in this show are named Juliet and Amanda. Juliet spelled with two E's. That's true. I can't say anything about Amanda. They spelled it correctly. It's not her fault.

I've never met a good Amanda. Well, this girl, it's not her fault because she didn't pick her own name, but that's not the correct spelling. Okay. Or it's the worst spelling, I should say. Okay. I agree with that. Thanks. You're the only Juliette I recognize. Thank you. A very special guest, watch the show. Miss Zoe Simmons, Bill's daughter. So we're going to talk to her about it. If we're going to talk to about Siesta Key, we need to talk to someone from the actual demo, like the target audience.

So we have the one and only Zoe Simmons. Hi, Zoe. Hi. Hi. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm great. How much do you love Siesta Key? As much as I love chocolate, which is saying a lot. Zoe, how many times have you watched the first episode of Siastika Key? Like three times, I think. Okay. It's an hour. That's a lot of time.

I know. I spend a lot of my time. I don't do much. I just got back. It's hard. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah.

You're allowed. Do you watch other MTV shows? Um, I don't think so. Well. No teen mom for you? No. I don't like that. What about Teen Wolf?

I heard that's popular. Never watched it. Okay. It's ending. So don't get into it now. No, I don't want to watch it. And have you done? any of the Laguna Beach, the Hills, kind of the old people versions of these shows?

Little bit. My dad showed me a little bit, but not much. Okay. I want to start watching it, though, because he said that I'd be in like, I'd all time love it. They are really good. So who's your favorite character on Siesta Key? I like Madison. She's the best. Interesting. Yeah.

I think she's completely natural. That's why I like her. She seemed like, yeah, no makeup. That's the only reason why I like her. Yeah, so I have a question about Madison. Madison. Because here's the thing. It's Juliet with two T's and an E to differentiate from our Juliet.

I'm going to call her the other Juliette for this entire podcast. So the other Juliet is narrating the show, right? Yeah. Or she narrated the first episode. I didn't agree with that. I didn't like that. Okay. Right.

Because she's supposed to be the enemy. So why is she getting to narrate it? Thank you, Zoe. This is my question. I agree. So it's clear that we're supposed to be rooting for Madison, right? Yeah, obviously. Okay.

The first episode ends with you crying. You've got to be the one that we're rooting for. Yeah. Right. So why even put Juliet, other Juliet, in the narrating situation? Maybe they couldn't get Madison to agree to it early enough in development. They weren't sure if she would, like, come through or something. Okay.

Here's the other thing I do want to ask, though. Are we all here Team Madison? Yeah. I am definitely Team Madison. Yes. Although I would say I'm most interested in the model, the blonde model. Yeah, Kelsey. Kelsey, yeah.

I like her a lot, too. Me too. I have a lot of questions about Chloe that I'd like to come back to. Oh, sure. But so here's my one question is that we're all team Madison, but it's other Juliette and Alex who are dating, right? Yeah. So we're technically, Madison is not 100% in the right here. Am I understanding the relationships correctly?

Yeah, I think so. I guess my other question is they keep saying, like, on the text that other, Juliet is Alex's girlfriend. But the conversations that they have Yeah, there's been no formal commitment. Yeah. So no one's actually dating, right? No.

Okay. Not that I'm aware of. So then why did they go to the party together, Alex and other Juliet? I really didn't understand that completely. That's why I watched it about three times. Okay. Because I was, um, while watching it, I was noticing,

I feel like he's still really into Madison. Like, I could see something that he definitely still had feelings for her. But I did not like the fact just other Julietts. She's kind of obnoxious. Like she really bugs me while I was watching. She was jumping all over him. And I was just like, why do we have to see this? Why is this worth it?

Yeah, I agree with you. I would not want to be at a party with her. It's just, it did not look like fun. But I don't, I really don't know why he took her to the party. Maybe it was a dig at Madison or something. Maybe I really don't know. Maybe grues deos. Here's a follow-up question. How do you feel about Alex generally? I think he's a snob.

I'm not like him at all. I agree with you. Yeah. He's, it's just, I don't like the nature. I don't like anything about him. It seemed like he was, he was kind of, he was flirting with various girls. At the time that he was, he was kind of, like, stating that he was with this girl, but he kind of wasn't, he wasn't really deciding if he wanted to be with her or not.

Because he still was looking at other girls and he still was, like, acting like he was in the game. But yeah, I agree he seems like a dirtbag. Oh, absolutely. Is he worse than like Stephen? Stephen and other of the first generation of MTV shows, Juliet, remember best. The real Juliet. Stephen, thank you. Stephen Coletti was the, like, was the Alex of Laguna Beach.

Uh-huh. And he was so much more, he was much more secondary. His personality really did not come into the show for a while, maybe because he didn't have one. But like, he just, like, he wasn't really a focal point. It was so much more about like the women versus women. but I learned that the show was completely funded by Alex's father. So that by necessity makes him the central character.

Yeah. Even though he does not seem to have a lot more personality than Stephen. No. But we got a lot more of Alex than we got like in season than Stephen for like three episodes. I think because like the whole conception of the show is based on his father wanting to do this. So that's like pretty wild. And it's his father at the party, right? Who's on who greets everyone.

Yeah, I think so. And tells everyone to stay in school, which is a good message. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. card. Yeah, absolutely. Zoe, what do you think of the cousin slash DJ slash rapper? His name was Paul. He was Polly Paul. That's what he said in the beginning. I still didn't like

him. I felt like he had the same kind of vibes that I got from Alex. He seemed a little obnoxious and he seemed, he was wild. That's a good word for him. Like he seemed, he was really, he had a lot of personality. I could tell he really, he really showed what he wanted to show during it. And he kind of, I don't really know how to describe him. He's so weird. He's also quite derivative. What, what's, okay. What did you think about, what's, what did you think about Chloe? I like Chloe a lot. I thought that she had a lot of personality and she was cool. It seems like she could definitely be trouble though. Yes. That's what I was going to say. I liked her to, but it seems like there are going to be some problems with Chloe.

And not, like, before she gets apparently punched in the face, which do we have any, do we know what? I don't know. Was there, like, I watched the teaser. Was there any information that I missed? No. Okay. Have you ever been punched in the face? Who gets punched in the face?

It was so weird. Girls are more cyberbullying or word bullying, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't expect her to be punched in the face. That's more of a guy thing. I actually was surprised it weren't more like cell phones on the show. There wasn't more like Snapchating and stuff. That was kind of weird, right? I guess they're going for older time, maybe.

Yeah, it's a throwback between Zoe and us and age. I guess so. That's a good point. Because if this was like, if this was kids in our time of century, they would definitely be all over Snapchat, all over Instagram, and like making stories of people, and these kids weren't doing any of that. Yeah, there was no phone to the party. Yeah.

I wonder if they weren't allowed to have them for TV or something. That's probably what happened. Possibly, yeah. Wait, but let's go. back to Chloe and the other Amanda. Yes. That's what her name is. This is weird. I did not realize until this exact moment that there's a Juliet and Amanda on this show.

We're bound to talk about this. Okay. All right. The other Amanda. Not nice. Not nice at all. There's never been a nice man in TV, but anyway. She seemed very cruel. I did not like her at all. And so tell me about the girl code. Well, she seemed all over Brandon after her telling, after

Chloe telling her at the nail salon that she was into him. And she was all over him at the party and she was trying to she was trying to get interest from him and she was just all over him the entire time and I was really surprised and I was really angry but I could tell from the nail salon that she wasn't a good person yes you definitely I could as well also but here's the thing Chloe confronts her about it yeah yeah and she gives maybe the worst excuse like she doesn't really even try to explain or apologize she was disappointing she was just like it was him not me I didn't have anything to do with that she like was she completely

was the one who started it. Yeah, 100%. And did not feel bad about it at all? No, not at all. Never trust in Amanda. Wow. I did not like her. That's a bad, that's a referendum.

Yeah. What are some of your predictions for the future of this show and what's going to come to your episodes? Well, from the three times I watched it. Great. I've really thought about it hard and it's kind of hard to tell. But I was thinking more of Madison and Chloe create an alliance. Oh, interesting.

Because I was thinking about how they work at the same place. They're going to become very close. And something is going to happen that's going to screw everything up. And they're going to have to become even closer friends. They're going to have to do something together. Well, can I ask one complicated question there? Yeah. What do you think Chloe's feelings about Alex are?

You know, she seems like she leaks him all the gossip, all the information. Right. And she said that. it's kind of her best friend, her guy best friend. I don't know if she actually likes him. I don't know. I feel like it could be just for the popularity because he's... Oh, interesting.

He has the nicest house. He's the richest guy there. And everyone kind of bows under him. So you think she might not even like him? She might not even like him. So can I tell you my theory? Which is that she like likes him. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. And so then I am concerned that that is going to become like a real problem. That's definitely. between her and Madison. Alex should have been the narrator. I mean, Chloe should have been the narrator. Yes.

The best friend who has like the access to all the storylines. That's true. But I think she's like, as Zoe said, she's a little, she's not nice enough to be the narrator. It's true. Although Lauren Conrad also wasn't that nice. Yeah, no, it's a good point. Although I did and do love Lauren Conrad.

So whatever. It's disappointing that Julia, other Juliet, not you, gets to be the narrator. It's like, I agree. It's so disappointing. I agree. I went deep on her Instagram. Did you look up all these people on Instagram?

No, I only looked them up on the internet. They have a lot of just like, severance the beach all the time, friends. It's very like Instagram model-e. Yeah, that's not my favorite. Although, what's her face? Kelsey's actually a very good model, it seems like, and like she's legit.

She's the Kendall Jenner of the group. Yeah, that's definitely what she is. Her boyfriend's a real zero, though. Did he speak? Yeah, no, he has like no personality. I think he said, yeah, I think he said that she looked pretty once. Okay. Which if, like, if you're only going to have one line of dialogue, it was a nice respectful

line of dialogue that seems like a nice relationship that they have. I'm just saying. Although he has, like, a great stomach and nice abs, he has a weird body. If you really looked at it. It's not proportional, yeah. Yeah, me and my mom were talking about it, and she said he has, like, pop-by arms. His arms are huge. And then he's, like, he has this, like, skinny little lean stomach with all this muscle.

and then he has really, really small shoulders. Like, they barely come off. It's true. It's like he added a bunch of muscles onto what was a pretty skinny, skinny frame. It's a weird body, and he's in a bathing suit all the time. So it's like... Do you think your friends are going to watch, Zoe? Maybe some of my friends, but I feel like most people are into Riverdale right now.

I like that show, too. I love that show. And they're into more of that instead of this. Because I feel like the difference between that and the difference. between this is that's kind of more dramatic and well I guess this is dramatic but it's you should have a lock party invite your friends over and you guys stay watched it's it I don't know I don't think they will I think I'm like the only person who will be watching this show because I absolutely love this wait can we do two minutes on Riverdale yes who's your favorite character

Riverdale um are you more with Jughead or an Archie girl jughead all my God I'm shocked I everyone okay so this is all over Instagram all of my friends they love Jughead they hate they hate Archie I'm shocked by this I think Archie's way better just because they think that he Archie really doesn't have a weakness I feel like he just oh so you like the vulnerable type yeah he's not vulnerable at all that's true because jug jug his dad may have died though we don't know but that came towards the end like Jughead he's homeless That's true His dad is in like this group of scary people And he's much more vulnerable

Which his person I feel like his personality definitely came through And was much more bold than Archie's was Yeah But I still like Archie It's just I like Jughead a lot more It's his birthday today I know I was very excited

Um I was my college roommate and I were talking about this this morning Betty Veronica Betty Nice I like her too They're dating in IRL Really? Betty and Jughead, yes.

Really? Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. Wow. I like her, though, just because she's, I feel like she's very, very smart. And it comes off in the show, she's one of the more intelligent people in their group. Definitely.

And I like that about her. Like, I like how she found in his, in Jason's, in Jason's jacket that she found in the lining. She found the clip. That was like, that was super intelligent. Yeah, she unlocked the whole thing. Yeah. She completely figured out the mystery because she applied real-life situation into like this show. We'll have to do a separate Riverdale podcast.

Yeah, Riverdale's so good. It really is. Can I do one final Ciesta Key question? Yes, absolutely. What is, like, if you could decide what happens at the end of Ciesta Key or this season. And like everyone makes the best choices and you get exactly what you want, what happens? Who ends up together, who's friends, who's not friends, who are you? who are you rooting for?

I really want them to turn on Amanda. I want every one to turn on Amanda. I want her to be the person that everyone hates, and I want Juliet to go down with her, no offense to either of you. This is amazing. This is suddenly just like, you want the end of Jam's epic.

That's great. I support your decisions. I do not want, well, they need the threat and they need the enemy in the show, so they're going to have to keep them, but I just do not like them at all. I feel like they're going to gang up,

and I feel like something's to go on between them. I don't know. In the end of the show, I want, I want Chloe dating Brandon because I just feel like that'd be really cute. Chloe and Brandon. Yeah, you seem nice. Yeah, it's what she wants.

That's so, you know. It's fun. And she got punched in the face. Yeah. I feel like she's trouble and he's more of like a low-key guy. So I feel like that could mesh well. That's good. And I like, I don't want Alex dating anyone.

I don't like Al. That's what I was going to say too. Yes, Alex out of the picture. Yeah, I don't want. I don't like Alex. I'm sorry to tell you it's never happening. Yeah, he can host the parties and then everyone else has a nice time without him and we don't have to see his face anymore. And I want Kelsey to become a front runner. I want her to become like one of the main, main people and evolve over the time period of her getting even better and like getting more popular throughout the show. I think that sounds great. Zoe, thanks for talking to us. Yeah, of course.

What a week it's been on jam session? Highs and lows. Highs and lows. I think mostly highs. Okay, that's good. I was being honest. Thanks for listening to me as I talked like in a maniac about music of the WB. It's great.

I love it when we can just really go to like deep Juliet brain, you know? It's something that's just really important to me. It's always a surprise and it's always enjoyable. Thank you. Thanks for listening. I'm Juliet. I'm Amanda. Not the ones from Siesta Key.

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