The Press Box - 'Jam Session' — Reese Witherspoon Day With Bill Simmons (Ep. 291)

Episode Date: March 29, 2017

The Ringer's Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins are joined by Bill Simmons to discuss Reese Witherspoon's sprawling catalog (5:00), her relationship with Ryan Phillippe (12:00), her R-rated turn in 'Cruel Intentions' (16:00), her missed opportunity with 'Clueless' (23:00), her Oscar curse (29:00), her fling with Jake Gyllenhaal (36:00), her comeback with 'Gone Girl' (43:00), and her next big career move after 'Big Little Lies' (48:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to Jam Session. I'm Amanda Dobbins. I'm Juliet Lippman. And with us, a special guest for our special Reese Witherspoon podcast. Yes. Bill Simmons. My favorite actress. Your favorite actress, which is how we ended up with Reese Day, right?

Yeah. Reese Day. This was, I just want to go on record. This was your idea. Everyone thought it was your idea because you love Reese. I did. And I did actually take a screenshot. At some point today, there were two Reese Witherspoon pieces on the top of The Ringer.com

and her face was just like splashed across the webs. And I took a screenshot to remember this moment because it meant a lot to me. What's weird is that men will have favorite actors, but you never hear a man say, she's my favorite actress. I don't know why that is. I don't think it's like a sexist thing. I just don't think it's something that people think about. The cross-gender actor-actress thing.

I have a theory about that. What is it? I think people want to identify with an actor or an actress. So, like, I don't really have a favorite actor, but I do have a favorite actress. So if you had to have a favorite actor, who would it be? Matt Damon? Ryan Gosling. But I'm definitely thinking about it in terms of which actor do I want to make out with.

Exactly. It's not who you want to be. Yeah. No, it's true. But I also, like anything that he's in, I find him so charming. And I kind of, you know, anything that I'm charmed by, I'll just watch episode after episode of. So I think he is also my favorite actor. But it's hard to divorce the two.

Right. My single favorite thing about Reese is, first of all, I feel like I've grown up with her. Mm-hmm. Although I don't know if I'm older than her or vice versa, but. How old is she? I think she's got to be early 40s, right? I'm probably a little bit older there. She just turned 41.

Oh, yeah, so I'm older than her. But, you know, we've been with her since man on the moon. It's like this 25-year run. And usually it goes badly and the rails go off at some point, but she's managed to consistently kind of reinvent herself a little bit. And what's really unique about her is that woman like her and there's no, like, they're not threatened by her. There's none of that kind of resentment or anything.

They just like her, really like her, respect her. they're all in, but men really like her too. And men are like, I could totally date Reese Witherspoon. I could be friends with her. It's really rare to hit both sides that hard like she hits it. Does that make sense? Yes, it does, though. I have a follow question.

Do men really like her? There are a lot of men in my life who are resistant. Interesting. Are you talking about like your husband? Yeah. Well, he didn't make it through an episode of Big Little Eyes. He honestly was like, I want to leave 20 minutes into the first episode when Reese is going full Reese at the kitchen table to her team.

and he was like, I am too uncomfortable with this. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe my theories out. I was also like, you live with this, but that's a different conversation. Yeah, I feel that there are some men who I think that you are unique. That I appreciate Reese correctly. Yes. That you understand what makes her great.

So she's the most malleable of all the great A list actresses, I think. Disagree. She can be, no, listen, hear me out. And then you can disagree. She can be in a rom-com. Yeah. Although she's picked a couple of bad ones, but she's been in some good ones. I ride hard versus Feet Home Alabama.

Very hard. That is an extremely good opinion. Thank you. She can be in big little eyes as like the crazy parent. I feel like she could be the lady from wild, like the person finding themselves in the wilderness and hiking by themselves. I feel like she could have made kind of like an erotic thriller type thing that wasn't too erotic, but at least where she got turned down by somebody and started to ratchet it up or some sort of like. Like she has that in her.

She hasn't really tapped into it. What's the erotic thriller she should have been in that she was not in? That's a tough one. Eyeswood should. Yeah, because she could have been the wife in Eyes Wide Shoe. Yeah. And I feel like she could have played any part in Big Little Lies, which is another really interesting thing about her. I think she could have played all four parts.

She would have been too old to be Shailene Woodley. I think it's hard for her to play Nicole Kimman's role. Really? I do too. Because I think... I think you're underestimating her. That's true. I mean, I'm the first to admit that, like, there's no boundaries for Reese in my heart.

But I do think that there is something, well, I guess you're right. There is an aggressiveness to Reese that would play into the aggressiveness of their relationship. She has kids. Yeah. Which makes me think maybe that's why she wouldn't play the Nicole Kidman part. Maybe some people have kids are like, I don't want my, whereas Nicole Kidman, I think is just like she's an actress. She doesn't care. She'll get as weird as she can possibly get, even though she also has kids.

Yeah. I think it seems like it goes either way. So you're not with me that she could play the Nicole Kidman part. I'm trying to imagine her in the therapy scenes in Big Militized, which I think Nicole Kidman has done incredibly well. And there is a vulnerability. I was very hard on her for the first couple episodes because I was like, you're not doing anything.

What's going on there? And I understand why in the therapy because she's kind of hiding a bunch of stuff and you can see it very slowly bubble up. And Reese is not subtle. How about that? I was going to say she's always plucky. Like even in when she's like if you like or you dislike her, she's always got pluck. And I don't think she can tone that down, which would mean she couldn't play this last part.

How do you explain Wild then? They say Wild is the big Reese Outlier movie. Yeah, but she's still like she's definitely as naked as she's ever been having like heroin sex scenes with people in the flashbacks. She's super crunchy in the mountains. She's throwing her boot off the, you know, that famous scene. Yeah. Off the cavern. What do you call words?

I don't know nature words. Canyon? Canyon? Yeah. Into the canyon, you know? Do you feel like Reese has taken enough chances or she hasn't taken enough? Because like the chances that she has taken for the most part have been her worst movies. Yeah, I mean, there was a softball movie.

There was a really bad. How do you know? Saw in theaters opening weekend. How do you know this is that good movie? Did you like that movie? I acknowledge that it was not good, but I enjoyed myself while watching it. Jim, Jim, Jim Brooks is so talented. Even when it's a bad movie, there's still something good to take away from it.

I have such a weakness for Owen Wilson. I just fucking love Owen Wilson. I just do. Everything he's in, I've liked. I can't think of anything I haven't liked starring Owen Wilson. I feel like if they had just made the Reese Witherspoon Owen Wilson movie, it would have had a chance. And I say this as someone who really likes Paul Rudd. But I actually watched like an hour of this recently because I didn't think that I understood

what happens. And I still don't understand what's going on with Paul Rudd in that movie. movie. It's just, he's trying really hard and I don't understand why he and Reese Witherspoon would know each other and it's very weird. Other than broadcast news, there's like no good movie set in D.C. Ant San Elmo's Fire. At least since the 80s. That's interesting. Unless that's like a political thriller. That's true. Yeah, it's got to be a political something. It's got American president's around. And me of the state was good. That's true. I like that. Unless it's like, yeah, but like the rom-coms have not been good in Washington DC since the 80s.

So if you go back with Reese. Yeah. So she's a kid actress. Yes. But then she's in fear. And it catches her in this kind of this sweet spot between she's not a kid anymore, but she's not quite an adult either. And it's like, oh, no, stay away from this guy. Like, you're nervous for her like you would be with your own daughter. And apparently the roller coaster scene is like a big scene for women of a certain age, which I'm obviously out on that whole thing because I'm not a woman. I haven't seen fear. I'm really sorry. I have, listen, I, yeah. It's a big, I don't mean, I don't want to get like too personal on this particular. It's a formative scene for a certain generation.

Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, Flowers in the Attic is a book that women of a certain generation would share with each other and be like, know this. I do feel like the fear roller coaster scene has that. It's like, cachet as well. Yeah. She has it, like, Teen Reese is actually pretty interesting because she has fear, she has election, and she has cruel intentions. And Freeway. Oh, my God. Freeway is one of the best cable movies.

Isn't Pleasantville in that era, too? Pleasantville, which That was one of those movies When it came out It was like, these two are going to be huge massive stars, Toby McGuire and Reese And that was kind of the selling point of it They weren't wrong.

It wasn't a good movie. Freeway had key for Sutherland See, she was always making weird movies Then she made the one with Paul Newman When uh, what was that one called? The Paul Newman movie And she's like naked in the first five minutes which was like a really early nudity career strategy for Reese

Usually Julie Roberts never would have done that That's the thing like she'll She'll throw the day She'll take some chances. What was that movie? Twilight. Twilight. Not another pretty good movie.

Cruent intentions was the movie where it was clear that she was going to be a major star, though, in my opinion. That was 1999? Yes. I mean, as an adult star, I should say. Yes. I mean, there's just so many classic scenes in that movie. I actually think the way that Andrew Grudadarro wrote about it today was like pitch perfect. That movie is so fucked up.

It does not get made today. It definitely does not. But like she's so charming that she kind of like distracts you. from the insane stuff happening with Selma Blair and Sarah Michelle Geller and you're just like yes and sure, why not? Do you like Amanda's theory that the wrong people played the wrong parts

in that movie? Yes, I do like that. I do like that. Explain that theory. I just, again, and perhaps I'm like projecting some personal beliefs here, but Reese with Spoon is not the nice person in that movie

and Sarah Michelle Geller can actually hit that cutesy note. Yeah. And I think if you flip them, I mean, it certainly changes Reese's whole trajectory because she gets a lot mean or a lot faster. But she would be amazing in that role. Well, I think the reason it didn't happen

was Sarah Michelle Geller was a bigger star. Yeah. And they probably gave her her pick. And she's trying to break out of whatever she's trying to break out of. So she's like, I'll play the sex pot slash the mean one, the Sharon Stone, basic instinct type. It's kind of hard for me to imagine Ruiz Plythor Spoon, like seducing her brother, her stepbrother.

Yeah. Like the dry humping that goes on, basically. She gets... Oh, I forgot about that. Wow, that movie is really messed up. It's so fucked up. Well, it's based on dangerous liaisons. It's like a teen version of it.

With the love of your life, Michelle Pfeiffer. With the love my life, my favorite, my old favorite actress of all time. That's Reese. She passed a championship back. I was just remembering that Selma Blair is in that movie and never forget that scene. Has her first girl and girl kiss. Yeah. It's her first kiss.

And also learns about what an orgasm is. Yeah. Yeah. I could see Reese in that moment. Me too. Coming out of that movie, do you think Ryan Philippe was going to have just a giant career? I have literally never understood him at all. I was always way more into Friday Prince Jr.

They were like in the same level. They went head to head and I know what you did last summer. Yeah. And I was always way more into Friday Prince Jr. I like a good guy. So on TV only. And he was always like the more responsible one. You know, like he just always won me over.

And he had the enduring, he had his own enduring movie though. She's all that. Yeah, she's all that. A phenomenal film. If you look at that stretch from like 96 to 2002, which was just a flood of teen movies and movies, it was like pre-internet. And there's this five, six-year window where they knew, you know, well, these teens are going on the movies, so we can still get these kids.

They're just flooding it with Hollywood, with horror movies and team movies, all the stuff. It's like the wrong people got the best roles. If we had to do it over again, if we're looking back, it'd be like, hey, I don't know if Nev Campbell and Jennifer Love Hewitt should have been like this. Armada just dominating for five years. And Rachel Lee Cook, she got the best role of them all. And then was never seen again. Did nothing with it.

Selma Blair would have been good and she's all that. I would have liked that. I got to say, though, Jennifer Love Hewitt between those movies and her role in inspiring John Mayer's Your Body is a Wonderland, is at least she is of a moment. She is cast, like I will always think of her. You don't need to convince me on Sarah from Party of Five. Yeah, that's fair enough. I also, it's not cool to say this anymore, but I loved her back in the day.

Yes, Sarah, Jennifer Love Hewitt? Of course. And not only they love her, but it drove my wife crazy. And then eventually I put in my mailbag, I think I called it like the Jennifer Love Hewitt All-Stars or like actresses that if you like, whoever you're dating, it just makes them lose their mind. And she's number one. Like if you're dating somebody back then 12 years ago and you said like, God, I love Jennifer Love Hewitt. She's just a great actress. The person you're dating, like, what?

How can you say that? And they'd flip out and they'd have a heart attack. I love her. So Juliet's with me. I love her. I mean, I mean, she doesn't like her.

I know. Like, she is specific to a time. However, the scenario you just explained where I'm sitting across from someone that I'm dating and they're like,

I love Jennifer Love Hewitt, I'm out of there. Also, also, I just have to say like, yeah, I agree. Can't Harley wait, can't hardly wait ruin my life?

Amanda. Yeah. You know, it's like I'm biased in that particular sense. That's a terrible movie that is so, it's so rewatchable.

There's nothing terrible about it. It's a terrible movie. No way! I'm not saying it's a bad movie. Ride or die for that movie. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying if you actually look at what happens in that movie, it's pretty bad.

Okay, incorrect. There's like long, long stretches of Seth Green just trapped in a bathroom trying to pretend he's like a hip-hop guy. And then it's like, no, no, there's a real guy in there. I know you're in there. I know you're not just a hip-up. It's terrible. So vehemently. That movie is awful.

I've never disagreed with you more, actually. I didn't say I haven't seen it ten times. Ten, that's a terrible movie. It's very low. I own the DVD. It wasn't Netflix for a time. I love that movie. There are certain movies that if you see them at the exact right point in your life,

you're going to ride with them for life. And that's one of yours. I guess so. I love that movie. Mine is anything from 83 to 85. Mine is that thing you do. That's a great. I know.

Even Embry's having a great day on this podcast. Such like a mediocre actor, too. I mean, yeah, he doesn't. The master of the eye bulge. He doesn't even get a name in that thing you do. He's the bass player. and disappears. But he gets a lovely trip to Disneyland.

Yes. I've thanked that almost all of these movies with my daughter because that 897-03 rom-com slash team movie. It's just, it's unbelievable. Including, I know what you did last summer is a really good movie for an 11-year-old girl. Extremely good. It's really good. Did you watch the Ben Foster Kirsten Dunst movie that also has Cisco and Milakunis and Martin Short?

What? What's that one? Called Get Over It. Don't know if I saw that one. Also has Swozy Kurtz. It's like Proustic Kurtz. Sisters is like one of my favorite shows of all times, so I love Swozy Kurtz.

Sorry. Back to Reese. Reese, Cruentensions. R-rated teen movie. Unconventional. Back in the day, it was like you never wanted to go past PG-13 because you couldn't get, you know, the 18-year-olds. And they were like, they were actually like, screw it, we'll get them.

And they'll just either sneak into the movie or they'll get a chaperone or whatever. But I just want to point out, I went to say, San Francisco to see my buddies from high school. I was there on a Friday. This all happened the same weekend. My buddy John Hop and I, we went to Cruel Intentions on a Friday in San Francisco. It was almost like a platonic date. We also went to Las Vegas that weekend, and I saw Kings Warriors game with Chris Weber

on the Kings. Just a great male-binding weekend. But when we were in the Cruel Intentions in the theater, I was like, this is a moment. This is a great movie. I'm going to be watched this movie 40 times. It wasn't going to win the Oscar. but it's just everything you want from an entertaining Friday matinee I would say I feel like the sort of like rich people culture was not really as over exposed as it currently

is so it's kind of like new to that it's true and it's like what was the movie with uh with Tori house a yes I didn't see that I don't know that one either yeah because the rich the rich person movie culture never really it wasn't really a thing yet so that then became a thing and there's a lot of bad yeah that was a real like aughts thing like it was right at the beginning of it And also, like, Reese was, like, the avatar into that world because she wasn't of it, basically. So it was sort of, like, made you like her even more. You were, like, along for the road with her. Another thing about that movie, great, great, like, in the moment soundtrack of a couple songs that make you think of, like, the late 90s.

Of course. I mean, like, we haven't even talked about the Escalator scene. The Counting Crows, like, kind of like, end of the prime. When he's on the Escalator, some good ones. Really good stuff. And there was another one. Like when he's driving, first of all, best car maybe ever in a movie, whatever car she was driving that she got from Sebastian.

Yeah, that was fancy. But there's another, there's like six or seven good songs. It was also the era when they cared about soundtracks. But she goes through that and then you think like, all right, but then she does election. Now she's pigeonholed as like, I'm in high school, Reese. Then goes right to rom-coms. It was brilliant. And then that sets up the second half.

When does she have Ava? before or after election, her daughter. After election. I think she had 2004, although that might have been the second kid. It's right around there. She gets married in 1999. One of the kids is like the perfect, beautiful cross of both of them, right? Is that the daughter?

They both are. They both are. It's astonishing. Like, they might have had the best looking kids anyone's ever had. They just also kind of recreated themselves. Yeah, yeah. Like, I guess the son has elements of Reese while looking very much like Ryan. But Ava is just Reese Jr.

It's wild. So she's 17, I think. I think I read that. that means that she was born 2000. She'll probably be a model and actress or something. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing.

It's crazy. I feel like I've grown up with her. Tell us about the rom-com phase of Reese's career. That's where she moved into. Sweet home Alabama. A Hall of Famer. An all-time great cable movie. Yeah.

Like, just amazing. Also, like, sort of like, leaving the Patrick Dempsey revival. It's true. Oh. It laid the seeds. The biggest loser that movie is Josh Lucas. I mean,

he definitely could not have a guess that McDreamy would happen while he would be like just like fighting for movies. I think he's also the biggest loser in that movie. Like I am, I, every time I watch that movie, I feel terrible for Patrick Dempsey. Like he has done nothing but be extremely nice and ran out of Tiffany's and be extremely kind to all of her Alabama relatives. And he's so gracious when she just bounces at the altar. Man, it's really painful.

It is bad. I feel for him every time. That's a top four. They're kind of trying to tell us that women are crazy, but because it's a a rom-com we're okay, but like, Reese doesn't come off well in that movie. Interesting. I can't say she's like, I mean, not Reese, but I mean the character. Yeah.

I can't say that's like, oh, I hope my daughter grows up to be the character in Sweet Home Alabama. I mean, she denies her family. Yeah. It just has a really rude relationship with the person that she ends up with, which like, I actually don't mind. I like the, I like the sparring. That's a good rom-com plot.

Sure. But, you know, she's rude, straight up. She's flat out rude. I don't know. I don't really feel like her designs or that fantastic. I don't want to be like all-fashioned critic here, but it's not not really the way of. Julie Roberts, my best friend's wedding, like where she's actually a sociopath. It's not that bad.

Oh, I love it. It's not a very redeemable. I'm here for unlikable rom-com. Heroines? Yeah. Who else is in that category? I mean, Julia Roberts is certainly there for me in a very intense way. Unlikable rom-com.

Yeah. Yeah. Like the women that you almost can't defend in a rom-com. Julia seemed like she kept gravitating toward those people like she was trying to tell us something. Yeah. Like, I mean, you know, she's like, if you just read the signal server IMDB, she's like, I'm not a nice person. I mean, Danny. D. Dany Motor was married when they met, so.

Is that true? Yeah. Tough. It's real tough. Interesting. Legally blonde. 2001. 2001.

Her makeup call for not being clueless, which she should have been in. Yes. Interesting. If you go Alicia Silverstone versus 90. What was, Clueless was 95? 95. You put Reese in there? It's hard to imagine Clueless

without Alicia Silverstone, but I feel like Reese Silverstone, but I feel like Reese would have been better. That's like a extremely controversial, controversial thing to say. It's a good way. It's like, what if O'KC never trades James Hardin?

It's very similar. What if Clueless brings in Reese Wetherspoon? That's very, that's so hard to imagine. Also, because I think in the postmortem of Clueless, all of Alicia Silverstone's struggles on set, at least to me, are such a huge part of like the narrative of that movie

that, like, her entire being is so tied up in that that's hard for me to even think about what a what a wrinkle and then maybe she never does how would you know with paul rudd because they've already worked together wow yeah and she avoids the biggest the biggest late thing of her but anyway she gets the makeup call with legally blind which i think was good for her it also the ditsy character is in the reese wheelhouse that's yet another pitch in her arsenal important turning point in like reese's general ubara is in that movie also she's like not only did she have the thing of the guy but she becomes like the good friend, which I feel like she still is playing. Because like her relationship with Jennifer Cool, it just probably could argue is the most important relationship in that movie. Bend and snap. Bend and snap.

Bend and snap. Fine. I like it. Okay. I'm sorry, Wilson Brothers. Can't say no. I just, I just can't say no. And then when does she do walk the line?

2005. We did another good career audibles. That's my favorite. She's made to this point four career audibles and the fourth one leads to the Academy Award. And that we would not have guessed. Goes Brunette. Goes Burnett. Big deal.

As June Carter Cash. I love that movie. It's my favorite Reese movie. 100%. I love it. It's one of my favorite movies. I don't know if it's my favorite Reese movie, though she's excellent in it. I had a real moment with that soundtrack, which I understand is just movie stars singing Johnny Cash songs.

But it's fine. I went in on it. Their cover of Me Babe is fantastic. It's a really great moment. That's right before they sleep together. Jackson's really good too. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Or is Jackson when they sleep together a lot. So at that point, how old is she? She's 29. I mean, that's quite a career. I know. That's a nice run from 92 to 05. That's about as good as you're going to do before age 30, I think. Right.

And then it falls off a clip for a while. So some theories about that. Yeah. The Oscar curse yet again with an actress. It's very real with her. Yeah. Why? But why?

As a woman, why do you think this is with actresses? Is it just the most giant coincidence of all time? or is there something deeper going on? I mean, some of it is, I think, I don't even want to say sexism, but double. Yeah, it's just that I think you want an Oscar and then you think, oh, now I can experiment and now I can try different things.

Yeah, and like the kind of not, if it's not a down-the-middle part for a woman, then it's like really weird and in a movie that it's, it's just not as tested. And so there's a higher percentage of failure just because people don't know how to make that many types of movies with women. Why do you think, Juliet?

I think it's like, I think it's a combination of a few things. It's sort of like, where do you go from there? Like, I think as like an actress, especially if you're younger, I'm told to have a certain set of goals. So if you achieve one of them, like, what are you supposed to do next? Like, what's the next step, basically? In the life cycle for a woman actor, so much shorter than for a man, that it's sort of like you've reached like a nirvana and then what? Yeah.

And like if you're an actor, you can do like a screwball comedy or like some action film. or like if you're Tom Hanks you win for Philadelphia then you win for Forrest Gump and then you're like I'm gonna do Apollo 13 now and you just do all these different looks I think it is harder for an actress

The type of scrutiny you get after winning an actor winning an Oscar is also I think harder for women just also by the nature of like the whole event because when you're there like with the women are already evaluated so much more on like what they're wearing and how they look at the Oscars

it puts you on a stage where you're open to a certain kind of scrutiny that you weren't before. Jay-Laws handled it well, I think, with choices. At least she's still taking chances. I mean, she just did a bunch of David O. Russell movies. That doesn't really count as chances. Semi-chances?

I mean, no, because that's what she won the Oscar for. She's just kind of staying in her lane. They're getting weird together. Oh, my God. What about Joy? Yikes. Joy is a rough watch. Yeah.

Some of it's also just age, right? Because I think, unless you win the best supporting actress at 20, which is a fairly common outcome. That's what they give to the newcomers. Then you're usually, like, Reese is pretty young as the best actress. You have to earn it for a while. And then suddenly, like, you're 40 and a woman in Hollywood, which as Feud teaches us, it's not a great place to be.

Although, if you're 40 and a woman in Hollywood in 2017, you got a little more ammo. Yeah, it's much better. Sure. You make big little less. It's almost like being an NBA player. You can extend your prime more. And you can go to TV.

You can go to TV. Couldn't do before. Hence, Reese on Big Little Eyes. So when does the Ryan-Philippe thing fall apart? Soon after the Oscar. Should I do my theory? Yeah, go for it. My theory.

Just wondering if Crash is a part of this. Tate, get ready for the stare. It's one of my best ones. So I think when two celebrities meet and they fall in love. This is so beautiful. They're usually around the same level. Rarely do you see when it's like somebody who's way lower than the other one. And this has happened with Julie Roberts a couple of times where she's like with La Love it.

He's just not as famous as her. That one can't last. Usually they settle right around the same level of fame. And it lasts as long as whoever passes the other career wise. I'm using my hands. People can't see my hands. I'm using my hands like people can see it. Somebody's going to ascend the other person at some point because careers never stay the same.

How the person who gets jumped handles that is going into time. determine whether the marriage lasts or not in Hollywood if they're both celebrities. I think this is true in real life as well as it could be. It could be with writers. Yeah. So you have Reese and Ryan Fulip. They're dead even in cruel intentions. Ryan Fleeves feeling good. He's and he's more famous I'd say. He might be and then Reese takes off. He kind of levels out and now it's like he's he's walking the red carpet with Reese. They're like, Reese, Reese, Reese over here. And he's just like her side piece. can't last after that.

I have this vision of him at the Oscars in 2006 when Crash wins where he's like so happy. Oh my God, remember that? He's the most excited. He's the most excited from that cast to have won. And that was probably the death now. It's tough. I mean, imagine you're an actor, you're competitive.

You have an ego, obviously. Your self-esteem can be rocked at any point with one bad movie or whatever. And then you're dating this person whose career just skyrockets. they win an Oscar. It can't happen. Unless it's like a Tom Hanks, what's her name? Rita Wilson. Rita Wilson, where they meet on the movie set.

He's bigger, but she's still like the lead actress, but she takes the step back. She's like, you'd be famous, Tom Hanks. I'm going to be married to you. Steven Spielberg's wife did that too, K-Capsha. She leads the Indiana Jones movie. She's like, you know what, I'm just going to be married to Steven Spielberg. I'm good. She's not like, oh, I got my own thing.

I know, great, you're doing Raiders 3. I don't care. I'm doing this rom-com. Like she didn't compete with him. She just kind of gave up. Yeah, I believe it. It doesn't make me think favorably of Ryan Philippe or Philippe. It's Philippe.

It's Philippe. I call him Philippe. Yeah, it's fine. I don't like him that much, so I think we can call him whenever we want to. Very bad tattoos. Very bad tattoos on that guy. I buy your theory. It also makes me feel sad.

I also don't think two actors should even date. Okay. Because when you think about it, they're never in the same place. if they're both filming stuff separately, how is that a relationship? Unless you're on the same show. Yeah, I guess counterpoint, unless, I mean, if you're doing TV,

if you're doing TV, you're probably in L.A. If you're doing movies, you're not. You're all over the place. Yeah, but you can probably arrange it so, like, you get to travel with the other person. So that's great. I mean, think about a normal person just sitting at home while the other person

is like in Hawaii for six months filming like Aloha with Cameron Crow or whatever. I don't know. Here's my only counterpoint to why actors need to date to date each other. marry each other. Well, they definitely do. I'm just saying it's doomed.

I just think that as a non-actor, if I were with an actor, I would be so not okay with any of them making out in the sex scenes. I just be like, no, of course that's not okay. So I feel like you need an actor to like understand that like supposedly doesn't mean anything. My wife would have been, it would have lasted a year. The first time we went to like a screening and I'm making out with something, my wife would have just been like, why don't you go with your whore?

Like she just would have been so mad. I've got like, I've got like too. months. Like a one day, what? Yeah. Oh, you really got into that scene. Horrible. It's so mad. Terrible. Yeah. I don't know how they do it. I almost think there's just no way. And I said the other part is when they're doing the scenes and they're making out and they're they're like, oh, it's work. Oh, it's so tough when

you're, there's 100 people staring. It's like bullshit, man. You're making out with somebody. That I understand. That's really weird. If there's 15 people watching it, that's like, if there's 60 people watching you make out, I'm sorry. Like I can't even look at a picture of myself. I'm so conscious by the attention. Like, I want 60 people watching me make out. But you've never, see, I've actually done enough TV in front of crews that you don't notice them after a while.

Yeah, but were you making out? With Jalen a couple times. I mean, we don't talk about it. No, I think, I think they just tune it out. And if, especially if you're the guy and you're, like, you're doing a movie with Reese Witherspoon. And you're like, Reese Witherspoon. I'm going to make a little run here for these two minutes.

I'm going out. I'm looking out my making out a game. I'm going to see if they're getting a little response. Or on the flip side, you're Reese Witherspoon. Ryan Fulip spent a dick to you. You haven't talked to him for three weeks. You're like, oh, this hot actor is going to make out with me. I think I'm going to enjoy this for three minutes.

Yeah, I can definitely see it as like a welcome outlet for your like problems at home. It's like, oh, well, this is not going well. And now I just get to make out with someone else. Sounds great. That's a nice little boost that. turns into something else. Sure, that I get. Also, here's another part to this theory. Elizabeth Taylor, who by all accounts,

was one of the most sexual magnet people of all time. Anytime she was in a movie, she ended up, like, hooking up with whoever she was doing the movie with. Because it was like she just had so much sexual energy, like, whoever it was, the guy's like, I'm throwing away. I just had three kids. I'm getting to take them. I don't even care what happens to them.

I just want to be with Elizabeth Taylor. So there's something about movie sets. Yeah. I mean, it's also like a very intense environment. It's like you just dive into it for three months and then it's over. Yeah. I mean, I think also just actors are a very specific type of people.

And it takes another actor to fully appreciate or be able to put up with an actor for long periods of time. Like they really just want to talk about their craft a lot. And like the only other person who wants to hear that is another actor. Yeah. Jaylon had to get there in this. He was always like celebrities just should never date celebrities ever. It's just it can never really work. I mean, it depends on whether you want attention or a normal life.

if you want attention, the best way to become more famous is to date another famous person. It's the rule of association. It's almost like if Taylor Swift was arranging relationships in a way to try to get more attention. As if she did. But if she did, it would be almost like a playbook that she's running. I don't know what you guys are talking about. So what are Reese's next five years of movies? Because the wheels came off.

It's really, really tough. Starting in 2006, I'm just going to read. Penelope, which is the one in which she had a pig nose. Yeah. Rendition, which is where she met Jake Jelen Hall. We'll come back to that. Four Christmases with Vince Vaughn. Oh, that's not a good movie.

No. Monsters vs. Aliens, which is some early voice work. I don't know whether that came on your kid's radar. How do you know? Tough, that was supposed to be the Reese comeback. Yeah. It's Jim Brooks. We got some good actors.

This is really like an offensive thing to say. Banging her softball player was just a really big mistake. Just a really big mistake. should have been like volleyball. I think wasn't that the point of the softball though? Is that it was so it was so like weird that she was a softball player that kind of leveraged that. No, I think that's just you projecting onto it. That's why it was a mistake.

Yeah. Okay. I think it's a valid point. Thank you. Volleyball would have been good. She could have been a setter. Yeah, exactly. She could have been.

And then they could have had a whole plot with like her partner. She could have been Misty May or Carrie Walsh and then would have really be. natural friendship plot. I was imagining like high school volleyball, but yeah, beach volleyball. Just describe my dream, my dream sports movie that hasn't been made yet. It's the two good looking beach volleyball players that have like a love-hate relationship partnership. Here's the movie. It'd be great.

Here's the thing. It's a love-hate. They really like each other. They dated the same guy. One of them ended up with them, but the guy still likes the other one. There's so many ways that could go. Wouldn't you watch a Francis Hobb meets the Olympian Beach Volleyball players like one of them falls in love and like wants to leave leave the team and it's like right

before the olympics and it's like what are they going to do see there's like three different beach volleyball plots we can do it's very unmind territory i'm i'm here i got the ideas if anyone wants to talk to me about it what would the title be um because the only volleyball movie ever made was side out with peter horton and see thomas how wow which is shockingly half decent and also terrible but that was something like setting like set up set up or setting up or something like like that. Setters. It would be kind of a little blue crushy as well.

Another great movie. You know I love Blue Crush. Oh, yeah. Do you think that Rees Witherspoon could have had the Kate Bousworth role? Because I do. I think yes. I think. With the guy from Bleakley Lund.

I'll tell you this. I ride for Blue Crush to the death. Me too. And I don't understand why Kate Bosworth didn't have a better career. And I think it was because she played the hot racist and remember the Titans and was never able to recover. She was like too effective as a racist. She was very believable.

It was like, you're too unlikable. Now I can't see you in these other roles. She shouldn't have played that role. She doesn't have enough extra personality to distract from the very vivid memory of remember the Titans. Like she's just kind of blank. I really liked her.

Don't play a terrible person early on in your career. You can do it later in your career, but not early. I also am in the minority people who liked her turn as Lois Lane in the Superman that was not well received. The not well received Superman. I liked it. It was like boring but good if you ask me. Anyway, back to Reese in the wilderness.

Mine is wild, of course. Water for Elephants, an adaptation of the book club book with starring Robert Pattinson, co-starring Robert Pattinson. At some point her marriage is falling apart too. So now the wheels have come off. Her marriage is way done and she has like three years dating Jake Gyllenhaal, which is kind of like legendary Rees rebound behavior. So did she definitely date Jake Gyllenha? They were photographed together a lot over several years. Was that not him throwing her a bone?

I'd bet say I don't believe it. Sorry. Guys, it was over several years. If you had to rank it from an oblivability scale of one to Cory Booker dating Mindy Kaling. Wow. What would you rank it?

I'm like a seven and a half. Which way is the, oh, and unlikely? Yeah. Okay. The unlikely, the ceiling would be Minnie Kaling and Corey Booker. I would say it's on the same level as the Harris-Syles and Taylor Swift.

Oh. Wow. That's really prolonged. It did seem like he was throwing her a bone and she was in, she needed to kind of be in the Us Weekly for a few months. But this is what I'm saying. He was available. It's not a few months.

It's a couple years. Like they were just in Ohio all the time. I still don't believe it. Okay. That's fine. What if they were just close? They're just buddies? That's weird.

If he's like, it is pretty weird. I mean, listen, I believe in skepticism. Juliet has taught me a lot. And we never know. We don't know what's going on. I'm just saying that is like one of the more committed. I'm ashamed at how cynical I am.

Anytime I hear any celebrity is dating any celebrity. My default is immediately I don't believe it. Prove to me. I think that that's correct. I think this is real. I think this is why though because at the A level. That should be a segment on Jamstession. Prove to me this is real.

We kind of do that. It's called DTR. It's to find the relationship. Oh yeah. You do do that. This is why you have to be skeptical, though, because if you are an A-list star and you've been in this game for a while, like Rees and Jake Gyllenhaal both were, you know that the way to break up fast is be photographed often. Like, they know that. So it's like, it has to be a conscious choice to either do it or to not do it because their lives are so mediated and so managed.

So, like, if you know about it and it's new, it's likely that there's a reason why you know about it. That's my stance. Here are some of the things I would have had I chosen to try to become a mega celebrity and try to play the game. Okay. One, I definitely would not have taken my mom to the Oscars. No. I just think that's lame. Spending six straight hours with my mom, like she would drive me crazy at some point.

She'd be mad. She'd be like, where's the bar? Like, I would have to deal with her. Sneak in snacks for her. I just rather go to dinner with my mom. I don't even take her to the Oscars. Her feelings aren't going to be hurt. It also just raises more questions.

that it answers at this point. Like, bringing your mom to the Oscars has been done. It's a big spotlight. Yeah, exactly. It's basically like, what are you trying to do? Right. Why are you taking around the Oscars? You're raising, yeah, exactly, you're raising a question.

But taking the daughter to the Oscars is a good move. Very cute. Who doesn't like saying somebody was their daughter? Reese Witherspoon? Yeah. No, I don't think so. No. In the video, Ryan, Philippe is just like, oh, oh, got it.

In the audience. Yeah. He's like, but I think there's a name value in dating another celebrity for a couple months to get through the new cycle. I think it's really smart. Yeah, absolutely. For sure. The best thing about Water for Elephants is that when Reese won an MTV movie award,

lifetime achievement, Robert Pattinson, like, really messed up because he was drunk when he was presenting it to her. And he, like, and so he has played both her son and her lover. And so he was supposed to make a joke about being a motherfucker. And he messed it up. And Reese, like, gets on stage and corrects him. And she's like, Rob, you messed it up. It's not that you are like, are you love.

mothers that you're a motherfucker and like they had to bleep it out but it was such an awesome Reese moment that like I'm happy that movie exists because we got to see that. So do we think, oh so 2011. Mm-hmm. Waterfell offense. We still haven't come up with a good movie. No, we're going to keep going. You ready?

This is like a drought. I know. You ready? 2012, this means war. Yikes. Listen, if you cannot make a rom-com with Reese Witherspoon, Tom Hardy and Chris Pine and make it watchable, you have fucked up. That is a disservice to three of my favorite people on this planet.

So I never saw that because my wife saw and said it was horrible. It's horrible. But why was it horrible? Well, okay. So the premise is that Tom Hardy and Chris Pine are both spies. I didn't see it. Wow, you didn't see it? I don't, Tom Hardy, I like, not my rom-coms.

I don't think Juliet's a true Reese fan. I'm not. I like her. That's okay. Listen, it's important to have all viewpoints, you know? I don't know if it is for this one. This is don't be in your bubble. I wish she wasn't here.

Okay, fine. That's totally fine. I like her, but yeah, she's not, she's not my, she's not my one. We all have her person. She's not mine. Sandra Bullock. I love her. I know, Juliet's nicer than me.

That's what it is. That's interesting. Julia's nicer than me. Yeah, I love her. And healthily likes mine a little less than I do. And that's what it is. So Sandra Boeuk, like you like the Ryan Reynolds movie, like you like her that much? Are you joking?

You'll defend the proposal? Of course. Oh, my God. Wow. She really does like Sandra. I've even watched the, um, that Dave Holmes hosted like cable broadcasted that, where they go to like the different locations in Alaska. No, it's actually in Gloucester.

They didn't film it in Alaska. I know that from watching this. And it's like blockbuster DVD. I forget what it's called. Do you guys ever do the thing where somebody becomes famous, but you like them before they became famous? So you take credit for it. Like you were partly responsible?

Yes. I'm, I'm responsible for the barefoot contessa. I just want to put that on this podcast. I'm not responsible for the barfetka. I saw Sandra Boak and Love Potion Number 9. And I was like, she's going to be a big star. And then when it happened, I was like, I told you.

I did that with basketball. It's like I told you guys about Love Potion Number 9. I can spot basketball celebrities. Like I can see when it's coming. And I just, I do that with them. My best one ever was Tom Hanks. After Boos and Buddies, I was so all in. But Tom Hanks, Michael Keaton, Jerry Seinfeld,

because they were on Letterman all the time in the early 80s, I was all in. I claimed Paul Rudd. I felt very vindicated. Paul Red's a good one. Because I was obsessed with sisters. Like it was an inappropriate show from me watching when I was like six years old. And I was obsessed with it and his character in particular.

So Paul Red did the movie. overnight delivery. Was recent that? I don't think so. Who is an overnight delivery? I don't know. Wait for it. You're right.

Yes. What is this? Yeah. That was a good one. Yes. Oh my God, it is. Yeah. What year was that?

Sorry, 1998. Yeah, that was another good one. It said video on IMDB because I guess it was straight to. Overnight delivery is a good. I like any movie where there's a road trip to correct the wrong. We have 48 hours or else this is going to show up. We have to stop it. Oh,

works. I'm always in. Road trip movies are pretty successful. Road trip movies work. All right, so we're still in a drought. Yeah, this means more. I'm very angry that that didn't work by the way. That's really hard to believe that. Like, I almost wonder if they re-released it and had a different title, if they could deceive people and I'm paying more money for it. I just don't think Tom Hardy should be in a comedy. No, he should just be murdering people or being in the 18-00s. He was so charming at an inception. Like, you have to find a way to channel into that, but I guess. He has, whatever the opposite of leaning into. that charm is, he's done that.

Yeah, I agree. Okay. Next, we have mud, which is the Jeff Nichols, an early Jeff Nichols moment, pretty good, but it's released right around the time

that she gets arrested. So she is on the Good Morning America like talking about mud, but also apologizing for screaming at a police officer for being whilst she was drunk. That is one of my favorite response?

Is it okay if that's one of my favorite wrist moments? I think it's many people here. Many people. It made her human being. Exactly. 100% I loved it I agree with you

yeah um so you can kind of count mud but it was small and it got drowned out and then devil's not not very good

and kind of comes out in the post arrest kind of Reese's laying low and then finally in 2014 eight years after she won an Oscar you got wild and she's great and wild

I didn't see it but juliet just doesn't like Reese I bet if Sandra Bulk made you would have seen it 100% I do like that she's as like the the Vulcan Reese Witherspoon fan.

I'm not against her. I'm just like, I do like her, but she's just not, she's just not my person. It's only like I can put it. All right, fine. Wilde's really good. Did you read the book? No. You're not a Cheryl Shred person.

I'm not either. So there was a joke in the recent Gilmore Girls revival, well, that was about. Missed that one. It's great. One day's, I'll watch all of them. Yeah. And it's a, she, they do the hike. And they're like, are you a book person or a movie person?

Like, because there are a hundred women doing the hike. and I'm a movie person, it's really good. She's really, really good in it. Crunchy Reese. It's also just, again, I don't really know how she managed this timing because while is the first movie that she does on her new production company, which also produced Gone Girl. Yeah.

And then, which is helping to produce Big Little Eyes. If you were her, would you have played the leading Gone Girl? So here's the thing. I think that there would have been a very good version of Gone Girl that was about Reese Witherspoon, but David Fincher was not interested in the female character, and he just wanted to make a, he wanted to make a movie about Ben Affleck. And Gone Girl is a great movie about Ben Affleck's character. There's a second adaptation of the book that's waiting to be made that Reese Witherspoon would be perfect in because like that character was very boring in the movie. Gone Girl should have been a HBO eight episode miniseries.

Yeah. I think it still can. I still, yeah. The big little lies model to me, I'm just ready to do more. I'm ready for more of them. I love it. It's tried and true there for a long time. Just get great actors and put them in a thing that takes eight hours to unfold and has a little mystery to it I'm in.

Yeah, I agree with you. Gone Girl would have been good. There could have been like a whole season of just her living with Neil Patrick Harris. I didn't read that or see that either. I don't think that you would like Gone Girl, the book. It's a little too, it's too pop for. I don't like to read mainstream books really. Yeah, no, I know.

I love it. So she does wild, then she does. She does wild. Well, then she does Hot Pursuit, which is like not that great, but I think it did fine. It's, you know, she's back in the box office, right. She has inherent advice. Banking checks. For all the men in the world who love inherent advice.

And then she does big little lies. Yeah, that's the next thing. She doesn't sing, but I don't know whether that counts for you. She's fully embraced. I heard Sting was good, by the way. She's fully embraced early 40s, hitting the Diane Lane, circa early 2000s point of Reese's career. Yes. Although she won't do.

She would never do unfaithful, I don't think. Do you? When you said what erotic thriller should be sure. She can do unfaithful. I thought unfaithful. I don't know whether that's just because unfaithful is my favorite erotic thriller, but I think she could do it. She would be like that fight scene, like hit me,

hit me would be way more intense, possibly like not for normal movie theaters. But, you know, she could do it. You know, Diane Lane used to be my favorite actress. Love her. She was, she had the title for like five years. How do you feel about Under the Tuscan Sun? I like Diane Lane enough that I watched it. I like it.

Not really the audience for under the Tuscan Sun, but... Women cleaning houses as a way to kind of work out their problems as a movie trope I love. Best is Annette Benning in American Beauty when she's like, I will sell this house today. I love all that stuff. So I'm into it. 30 secret.

Put a movie in Italy and it's probably going to be watchable. Italy becomes a character. Have you heard of the godfather part too? Italy just works as a setting for a movie. It's good. It's on Netflix right now and I'm always like, maybe I'm going to watch it under the Tuscan Sun again because it has a beautiful Tuscan Villa Vista. With Big Little Eyes, it's Monterey and just that scene with the bridge and that fucking awesome bridge.

It sucks you in. It's great. Reese has an upcoming producing project that I'm really excited about, which is she's producing Nancy Myers' daughter's first movie. It's called Home Again, and I cannot wait. I'm just, I don't know anything about it except that Reese is producing as is Nancy Myers and her daughter. I think Hallie. It's an alignment of taste that pose extremely well for the people on this podcast. I'm so excited.

I can't wait. So can we talk about movies we want to see Reese do over these next couple years? Yeah. I think she needs an 80s reboot of some kind. Oh. Interesting. Like what if she, what if they remade broadcast news with her?

I don't believe in reboots if the movie is still watchable. Okay. But that's just, I'm weird that way. Okay. I think she would be good in broadcast news. It would also be, broadcast news would be so different now. They haven't actually done it. You know what?

That's not true. Morning Glory is a great movie. Super underappreciated rom-com about TV news, but it's more like a morning show as supposed to. There has a great Harrison Ford performance. Yeah, everyone's, I mean, also Patrick Wilson. Justice for Patrick Wilson, as I always say. Where do you stand on Michelle Pfeiffer and the Jessica Savage movie?

Oh, God. That seems like a mess. Now remember that one? She's like a TV anchor. Because you love what? I thought that this is, oh. You know a movie I'm talking about it? Oh, clearly.

in present danger. No. No. You were my voice when I couldn't speak. No. What is it? It's a song because you love me. She's an up and coming broadcaster.

I'm just thinking of the wrong name. I know what you're talking about. Wait, what's it called? She's an upcoming broadcaster who can't stay out of her way, but thank God Robert Redford's there. That's a great movie. Yeah.

Up close and personal. Yeah. It sounds the same as clear and present danger in my head. It's a terrible movie, but I liked it because Michelle Freyford was in it. She was just during the stage. One fine day also underrated. Love it. So here's what I think Reese is missing from her catalog because I did look at it.

And I think this genre is missing in general. You'll like this. You're going to be excited. Okay. I like movies with sisters. I love Rachel's getting married because that's really a movie about sisters and the one sister that has her shit together and the other one who's a train wreck. Reese could do like the in your 40s version of that where either she's a successful one

or the not a successful one or maybe there's three of them. Yeah. I like her with other actresses. I think like I agree with that. I think she raises her game when there's competition because I think she's competitive. Jennifer Lawrence should play her sister and they should be at each other's throats. Well, because I was thinking about that with feud where you have the aging actress and trying to hold on. That would fit the like Reese and Jennifer Lawrence and Reese is jealous of Jennifer Lawrence.

But that would take like a lot of. That's like all about Eve again, which would be. Yeah, but all about Eve could happen every 10 years with new actresses. That's true. How haven't they done that? I like the aging actress resenting the new actress and trying to undermine her. It's like, I'm always in on that pun. Question.

Yeah. Could Reese Witherspoon revive Cameron Diaz? What if they were sisters? Hmm. I don't think it's revivable. I think she has to do TV. Cameron? Yeah.

I don't really like her for some reason I want her to have a revival. I just want, I just want. By the way, she had a 20-year run. I mean, that's pretty good. Basically playing the same part in every movie. It's not like she had a lot of pitches. Reese could be ditsy Reese. She could be like aloof but mean Reese and she could be rom-com Reese and she could be kind

of weird thriller Reese. Here's the thing is that even ditsy Reese, there was some sort of intelligence underpinning the ditsiness. And like- Cameron Diaz is transcendent as a pure dits. So I guess like that you could, she could be the. the Reese whether

could be the straight person and Cameron Diaz could be there I mean did I like it? It's a great airplane movie Kate Upton every single line Really really good Every single line that Kate Upton says in that movie

She just says in all caps With exclamation points She tried She really tried but I kind of like it I like how tough it is for her I also just you know That could be a good channel 33 series

Is when supermodels were put in movies and all of them had one run where some director who clearly just or producer just wanted to have sex with them was like hey you should be in a movie yeah put you in yeah has that ever been successful has it never never probably the most successful was christie brinkley vacation because all she did was like dance at a gas station do you consider do you consider bridget wilson a supermodel or she an actress i think she's an actress because she was good in billy madison that's why that's why i bring it up that's true well i think she's either an actress or uh Pete dammer's is A tennis box fist pumper. She's the Jackie Robinson of the tennis. That's true. She created the spouse slash girlfriend jump up fist pump. I really enjoy her movies. Nobody had ever done it.

Bjorn Borg's girlfriend had kind of thought about doing it but never really did it. She committed to it. She's good in the wedding planner. Yeah, she's great. It's a great movie. It's all very offensive. You go back and watch it now. Some weird race stuff going on there.

But it's very good. In the wedding planner? Jennifer Lopez playing an Italian? What? Really? Yes. Is it more or less offensive than made in Manhattan? Less, but only by a little bit. Very small margin.

Also, guys, just while we're on this topic, how to lose a guy in 10 days is, it's not as offensive, but like we have some real problems there. How does it compare to Hitch? I think it might be worse than Hitch. I don't know. Like, I can't speak afforded about that. Is it picture perfect the worst? Amber Velletta. That's the best mild turn actress.

Oh, yeah. That's true. That's the best one. Which one? Amber Valletta. Yeah. Picture Perfect's the most offensive. It's pretty bad. It's really bad. Everything's really bad. It's like professionally. She's going to lose steam at work unless she gets a boyfriend.

That's one of the reasons that I lean... That's that like 1960. That's one of the reasons I go so hard into Nora Ephron because those aren't that offensive. So I just watched this over and over. What game? Did you say we had a Reese game? What's your Reese game? Or we went through everything. Yeah, we went through everything. No, the Reese game was that... Well, I've revealed my favorite Reese. What's yours, Bill? Your favorite Reese? Yeah. Walk the line. June Carter,

Cash Reese. I like big little eyes of Reese the most. Wow. It's the truest Reese. She has a glass of liner and half the time. She's starting trouble. It's good. It's a good incarnation that I hope continues for her next five movies.

So she gets nastier and nastier and meaner and more medley and medley. Yeah. I agree with that. I think I personally, it's my personal favorite Reese. I think ultimate Reese is still legally bond. I think that's just at the highest hours. The one that owns my heart the most is cruel intentions, Reese. Okay.

Yeah. Thanks for being out on jam session, Bill. Wow, it was a pleasure. Thank you. You're welcome anytime. It's really emotional. Made Tate laugh a couple times. And thank you, Reese.

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