The Press Box - Kate Middleton’s Rural Rivalry and Chloë Sevigny’s Most Prized Possession | Jam Session

Episode Date: April 4, 2019

Allegations that A-Rod cheated on J.Lo are coming out just days after they announced their engagement (1:12). There are rumors flying about a potential rift between Kate Middleton and her friend Rose Hanbury (6:03), both members of a British social group nicknamed “The Turnip Toffs” (13:28). In her own words, Chloë Sevigny tells the NYT's T Magazine what her most prized possession is (25:49), and other iconic Chloë Sevigny moments (35:44). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Read the T Magazine article about Chloë Sevigny here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're going to talk about some high-profile alleged cheating. Yeah. We have a special guest coming on, the back half of this show. Mr. Chris Ryan will be coming to discuss Chloe Savini, a personal interest of all three of ours. And I also want to touch on some spice girls drama. Why not? But first, cheaters. Yeah.

Alex Rodriguez, A-rod. I sometimes often forget what his real name is. Notably, cheating at baseball, took steroids or whatever, which I personally personally. have no problem with. Seriously. And now, I think we did discuss this days after he got engaged to J-Lo when he was bending over in the white pants on the beach for an extended period of time, Jose Cansego alleged that he had been cheating on J-Lo with Jose Cansego's ex-wife. And then... And his ex-wife very quickly deny that. We should let her have her say. Yes. And I was just like, go away, Jose Cansego. And then other women came out saying that they had texts of A-Rod soliciting three

sons with them, like as recently as December. Okay. That was within the time that him and J-Lo were dating. Yes. But before they got engaged. Okay. We can talk about that distinction. Sure.

Yeah. So I think the Jose Canseco stuff came out very quickly. It seemed quite self-promotional and annoying. And everyone was like, we're not dealing with this. Yeah. And his wife, Jessica, who was the woman in question, denied it. And, you know, it's her life and her sex life. So we're going to believe her.

then the sun starts reporting with all of these other women who have text messages and say that A-Rod has been in conversation with them. And it seems like they have some proof. You know, in general, where there's smoke, there's fire is kind of what I have to say. And I think also we talked a little bit about this the last time we talked about A-Rod and J-Lo is that I don't mean to absolve anyone of anything. I just, we don't really know what their relationship is like. We don't know what their relationship is like. We've had questions since the beginning. Yeah.

Logistical questions. Right. Time questions. Yes. And it's just, there has been a business element to their, they're great for each other. They are great for the business interests of each other. They are more high profile together. People are really invested in them.

I think I care way more about him now that he's dating her. Exactly. And I always liked her. Exactly. But I think it also. has really, she needed a new direction in, you know, career and life and just, not even career stuff, but in terms of like her personal narrative. She needed a turn and I think that this came in a great time for her.

So, which is, again, not to say that it's not a real relationship, but as in any partnership, long-term partnership, you're thinking about the practical interests as well as the emotional interest. Yeah, of course. So. Particularly first two business moguls like them. Right, who don't live in the same city, as you have noted. So, you know, who's to say?

That said, there's a lot of evidence or seeming evidence here. I have not seen the text messages. I think it would be illegal if I had. But, you know, if you're leaving a paper trail or a digital trail, it's, I don't know. Is that the best? No, it's not. Yeah. Is that the savviest?

I think, perhaps I'm just cold and jaded now, but I'm just sort of like. like J-Lo probably knew that he was cheating if he was. I just feel like it can't be a surprise given their lifestyles and the fact that he was a professional athlete and at one time the highest paid person in baseball. Yeah, I would think so as well. I think it's more embarrassing than it is. The timing is really rough right after their engagement and stuff. And it's just like they're whatever arrangements people make between themselves, who are we to know? Totally.

But I think. Just like, kids. Having it out in public is like it's sleazy. Yeah. It's not great. It's gross. And it, you know, I think puts her in an unfair position, even though she's like J-Lo and, like, who the hell cares. She's having her own affairs.

Right. So. I hope she is, in fact, if that's what their arrangement is. I think just in terms of optics, it's not great. No, because I think many of us, Katie Baker really wrote about this well, want to celebrate them. Yeah. And, like, want to, like, love them as a couple. Me very much included.

Right. It's feel good. We should also just note that they all. are not acknowledging any of these. No, in fact, she's just like doing like, look how hot I am Instagrams. Right. She's doing thirst traps, as they say. And they, I believe, are still, like, giving interviews to people about how happy they are.

And I think they have, like, the designated, there are sources who say that, you know, they're just rising above it, which is, like, definitely a quote placed by someone in their camp to kind of move the story forward. So I think their strategy is just, like, deny and pretend that this doesn't happen. which seems smart. I would do that too. Because if they're not going to break up, why acknowledge it? I don't know. Like, what's the point?

Yeah. I mean, no one's in their relationship with them. The only thing is like if the text messages come out. Right. Which it certainly might, given our day and age. Yeah. So that's tough. But it seems like they're still going to get married.

Totally. Yeah. Honestly, it's the second, far, a far, a distant second most important cheating story of the last two weeks. Yeah, that's true. Let's talk about it. it. Let's talk about the alleged tiff between Kate Middleton and her former friend, Rose Hanbury, the marchioness of Chumley. Much discussed how you pronounce that word. Yeah. About 10 days ago, the son had come up with a story saying Kate had asked Will to phase out Rose and her husband,

the Marquess of Chumley, from their social circle. And they're part of the Turnup Toffs, which is a set of fancy people in the countryside where Kate and Will have a house who hang out together. Presumably they, what's that sport that they play in the heathers? With the knocking of the ball. Polo? Yes. Presumably they play polo. And, you know, do fancy things together.

Rose was famously at their wedding. And also famously dated Prince William before he dated Kate. Yeah. But it must have been when they were very young because he and Kay met at Edinburgh. Right. Also, like, what is dating? I know. Also, with Prince William, does he date? I mean, what is that?

It's not like Harry, who we know did aggressively date. Anyway, that was an initial story in the U.K. And then the royal family, I think, tried to stamp it out very quickly, but the U.S. press is not beholden to the wishes of the U.K. family or the U.K. royal family. or the libel laws of the United Kingdom. So it kind of, the Daily Beast picked it up is kind of what happened. The Daily Mail picked it up

and then the Daily Beast and then it sort of spread quickly here. And then there was a follow-up a few days later, also in the Sun, where one of their gossip colonists who allegedly has ties to the Royal Family said that the Royal Family was considering legal action.

That was in the Daily Mail. Right, that was in the Daily Mail. That was Richard Kay in the Daily Mail. And that kind of intensified things like, oh, perhaps it's real if they're so mad about. it. And from there, there's just been wild speculation about what the falling out is between Rose Hanberry and Kate Middleton. Right. So it's definitely a cheating scandal. This is like a

traditional code in the UK press. I can't think of anything else that would cause this schism. Since like the 60s. This is just how they have always covered this stuff and they don't. They can't actually say cheating. Maybe it's because of libel laws. Maybe it's just because is a long-standing expectation between the press and the royal family. You know, you're trading access for coverage always. It's the same as everybody else. And I think it's like in the 30s when the – I'm sorry to be like the nerd right now, but the king who became the Duke of Windsor was dating Wallace Simpson.

Yes. And the English press carried it one way, and they just, like, really couldn't report on it because obviously expectations. Yes. Yes. Exactly. And they couldn't really say anything. And then the U.S. press, like, went rampant. Yes.

But, like, and in many ways, press conventions have been changed. And in many ways, they're exactly the same. See also when people took the, like, topless photos of Kate on vacation, which is illegal and gross. But remember that, like, it was the French press that published them. And I think that was also true of when Fergie was caught in some photo scandals, it was like foreign press who published them. And then that gives the clearance for the UK press to report on other things. So they're not saying this is how it has always worked. And this is basically the UK press in code being like, yeah, so we'll cheat it on Kate with this person.

And the funny thing about their initial articles is that they were long because I guess people who know know who Rose Hanberry is. But if you don't, she's kind of like, you may have seen her in photos, but there's a lot to be said about her because there's titles there's involved. They're part of this group that turned up tofs, which is like just, you know. Yeah, they're part of the like remaining aristocratic class of England. Yes. And she was a model. And so there was like a lot to say, but not a lot was said, which was kind of funny. And I think that's why this scandal took on such a big life was because there was a big story with no there there or at least written.

And so there's a lot of room for speculation. which then happened quite a bit. Yes. And then ultimately it's turned to, it's become a cheating scandal, alleging that Will cheated. Which I find in no way surprising. However, I remember last year, we've talked about this. I was going to say, if you're a loyal listener of Jam session, you're not surprised because there have been rumors about Will cheating forever.

Totally. My first response to this was like, I wonder how old this is. Right. Because I think there were definitely rumors last year, like I think on the kind of pre- Harry and Megan wedding podcast, we talked a lot about it. And there was just, there was a period from like 2017 to 2019-ish when like Will and Kate looked miserable all of the time. And it's just a basic body language. It kind of evoked Charles and Diana at the height of like their disaster, which took almost a decade. But they just clearly were not doing well. And weren't doing a lot of appearances together either. Exactly. So, you know, part of this I wonder whether, and then it got better. And I don't know whether that's media management, which is certainly could be part of it, or whether it was over. This could be like a reversion. He could have like picked up again or they could have, it could be rumors getting out much later. But I think the text has been there for a while. Yes. And you and I also discussed there's been this mounting feeling that William was turning into his. asshole father.

Yes. And that he was like becoming the family jerk. Yes. And now this is now spun into is there a, and how it affects the drama between the Sussexes and the Cambridges. Yes. And Harry and Megan just moved out last week. They moved to Frogmore Cottage at long last.

Yes. Which like partially I understand. I think that some of that and we were also going to talk about they got their own Instagram, which is like, you know, funny that that. that signals a declaration of independence in 2019, but it really does. Totally. That means that they're their own house. And some of that is just like they're not like kid brothers anymore.

They have their own families and they have their own. And especially as William kind of gets steered into the heir to the throne thing, which will be happening more, they kind of need to be separate. But so I think that some of it. Also, if you don't have to be in the fish bowl all the time, why would you? like Harry and Megan went to like some hippy-dippy herbal shop in, that's dismissive actually. It seems like they went to an herbal and holistic remedies place in London to talk about pre-birth support, which is great because we all know. Yeah, Western medicine does not like totally serve all of a woman's needs in this context. So great for them.

But, you know, then they're just like a million paparazzi outside. We know that. they can't do anything in London because there's so much pressure on them. So if you don't have to be there, like I get it. Yeah, especially for their kid. They probably like, exactly. Why put your kid in that environment if you don't need to? Yeah. But yeah, so this has now kind of spawned a lot of other conversations. There's the, is the actual rift not between Kate and Megan, but between Harry and Will. That's one conversation that's now happening, which I think we also covered. I just feel like this has become the culmination of many rumors and like hypotheses that have been

out there for a while and now they're kind of like crystallizing as a result. Totally. So there's that and then there's also just kind of like revisiting why Harry and Will might be fighting. And this leads to Nicole Cliff's Instagram, which her Twitter. Or sorry, her Twitter. Nicole Cliff, who used to run the toast, she had a very long Twitter thread where she basically posited that the real fighting between these two couples, is Harry and Will, and she said, this is like all speculation. She is not a royal reporter.

Not even sure how much of a royal watcher she is. But she suggested that perhaps Harry was mad at Will for cheating. And so therefore, like this became like a rip between them. I don't, like, that's like what you would write in like a lifetime movie or another of this, which is like, I'm sure that there is tension between them

for a lot of reasons. Yeah. I would say probably bigger deal is that Megan's gaining so much attention and Will and Kate are probably both pissed

about it. Yeah, I think also like Will is probably like a really difficult entitled person like keep in mind that both of these people are the sons of Charles

and Diana two famously entitled extremely difficult people like Diana obviously did a lot of valuable public work but you read the behind the scene stuff and obviously

and was not treated well by the royal family and not supported and like had some some issues of her own, there were a lot of problems, but was also just like a extremely media-savvy press diva. Yes.

And these two people had two kids who have grown up their entire lives, like, as literally princes. I don't think that they're like models of, or like models of great character all of the time. Totally. And I mean, you know, Harry was running around in like freaking Nazi costumes. You know, they're like all, they're not perfect. And I think often difficult.

especially when jockeying for, like, status and attention, which is, like, their job as well as their lives. So I'm sure it didn't help. I don't think it was, like, Harry as, like, the moral authority of the UK being, like, how dare you? Totally. You know, and I don't know. I think even if he was mad, it would be more about, like, jeopardizing everyone. Everyone's well-being. Right.

and the crown, as they say. And then also, you know, I still am sure that there are growing pains between adding someone new to the family. That happens literally every time you add anyone to any family, call anyone with an in-law and talk to them about it. So it's, you know, I think it's a little bit of everything. Yeah. I think there's also like there's just, and I'm a part of this, but there's just this kind of. feeling among people who watch the royals, you have to choose Cambridge or Sussex. And I think that fuels a lot of this when you, you actually don't have to. I personally do. I think I just hate Will

and I just like, I just like really don't like him. And I'm just a Megan partisan. But I think that like the feeling like you have to choose one or the other, because they also seem so different at this point, fuels a lot of this speculation and like, and gossip. I mean, I just think that they're all career celebrities who have just inherited mass wealth and privilege and have become figureheads for a country that is losing its shit in real time. And none of them should be, you know, icons or, you know, we shouldn't venerate them, nor should we revile them. I just think it's fascinating. Yeah, totally. If it's not like you don't want to be them. No, I mean, it seems exhausting. I'm sure that they, like, I'm sure Frogmore Cottage is really nice.

Totally. Winter's nice, too. I was wondering about the renovations for Frogmore Cottage. And, like, how much do you think it's, they're keeping to, like, the structure of the building and trying to, you know, be authentic versus how much is, like, looks like Instagram? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I bet that there's, like, demarcated spaces where, like, there will not be.

photographs, so do what you want. Yeah. And then others where it's like, this needs to look like a stateroom or whatever. Right. But, you know, I guess I don't even know what that structure is and how much of it even looks like a state room. You know, how much are they doing country manner versus snazzy mentalized Instagram? Well, I think this gets to also the fact that they now have an Instagram, which is sort

of like, what is the style of their life that they're going for? Right. And I personally, as a font nerd, who's obsessed with fonts and. typography, love their crest. I love the M and the H together. I think it is like lovely. I think it is both classic and modern. And I think it looks really nice. And I think it does sort of set a tone for like what their style as a couple is. And it's sort of like with reverence for the monarchy, but also trying to be their own people, which I just really enjoy. This is a little old and kind of weird, but it's relevant. After the horrifying tragedy in New Zealand, obviously

everyone in the, because New Zealand is part of the commonwealth. Yes, part of the Commonwealth. Yes. And also just because you release statements when these things happen. Each, you know, the queen released a statement, Prince Charles and Camilla released a statement. And then the Cambridge is in the Sussexes, that's hard to say, released a statement together. Yeah. And it was really interesting just to watch the evolution of the statements because the Queens was like four sentences and basically didn't involve specifics.

and Prince Charles's, you know, kind of had more specifics, but it didn't go into defending Islam as a religion or, you know, it kind of, it walked a PC line. And then the Sussex and the Cambridges were like engaged with the fact that it was Muslim worshippers who were targeted and that that was a faith to be defended. And it was like really interesting watching the generational evolution and watching them react to this, tragedy, but also how we talk about these things and what the expectations are of, like, you know, like our paradigms, but also how we talk about these things. And it's really interesting.

And I thought it was like a positive sign of like evolution. Totally. And interesting to think about as they become more in charge, which will eventually be the case, what it'll look like and what our definition of like being a royal is. Because it still is basically the queen's in charge and she became queen in the 1950s. So crazy. So it is really interesting. The flip side of that is that there are all of the social and celebrity expectations because it's far less of a role of authority than it was even when the queen became queen in the 50s.

And, you know, they're supposed to be a soap opera for us. And that's what we're seeing. And I think they're aware of their position. I think the interesting thing about Harry and Megan, and I think she gets a lot of the credit for this, but perhaps he's a part of it too. we don't know, is they understand they have to be apolitical but don't want to be quiet. And so if you look at the 10 photos they selected for their first post on at Sussex Royal, and the other Elizabeth Holmes at E. Holmes on Instagram, I had a good breakdown of this.

They picked a few photos they're not even in, and two of them feature women wearing head coverings. And that's just like a, it's particularly to launch it, I believe, you know, it was, I think it was on April 2nd. So the day before the hard cutoff for Brexit, which is like this crazy world event that is tied up in questions of like nationalism and xenophobia and everything. To go out of their way to include those photos, which just seems to send like a very inclusive message is actually really powerful and is political. Yes. Like definitely is. And that is really different than what we've seen from the royal family last like 10 years, which is and beyond that. But like particularly these kind of like more modern royals.

It's not really like, they're not usually looking for subtle ways to have a platform. And so it's cool. I think it's cool to see Harry and Megan doing that. Yes. And they're clearly pushing it a bit more than. And they can because he won't be king. Exactly. Than Will and Kate.

And some of that, you know, we don't really know. It does feel like both he has a, they have a bit more freedom and also that they're a bit more inclined to do it than say it. Like Will and Kate seem like they're literally in a group called the Turnup Toffs. We should know that that's not like an organized name. Like they didn't give that name to themselves. But it's like the heathers. That's why I thought of that. But they, like, the people that they mix with, they are just kind of in a different, more suburban aristocratic.

They're the land in the aristocracy. Yeah. They're not of the world in the same way. And some of that is necessity and some of that is choice. They're so rarefied that they would absolutely never get close to a camera. And that's why you don't know a lot about them. Yeah. It's because, like, if you know, you know it.

If you don't, you don't. Right. I think some of that is survival. Yeah. if you're born into it and you have, you know, so much attention. But I think they are, Harry and Megan are using their platform more, which I commend. You know, then it is still kind of like, why do they have this platform? Because they were just born into it and or sought out the spotlight, which is not, which is an ungenerous description of what Megan did.

But you do have to know when you're marrying someone, like what the responsibilities are. Totally. But I do admire, I agree with everything you said. It also just like, you know, they broke all the records for like getting followers quickly. It's like, it's an astounding how famous they are. It's crazy. Yeah. Do you think more famous than Kim Kardashian yet?

I think they might be. I mean, I just don't think numerically you can say that. Right. Though I suppose internationally, probably. Right? Just because, I mean, Kim Kardashian has a hundred, 133 million Instagram followers. So that's crazy.

That's a lot of people. That's so crazy. It's nothing. And Ariana Grande is even more than that, I think. Yeah, but I think that Kim is more localized. And I would say that Harry and Megan, I mean, also just because of like the remnants of empire and colonialism, but they, there is more of an exposure. Sure. Well, we'll come up with a special jam session metric that takes all this into account and we'll start offering ratings on fame.

Okay. That's great. And then we'll charge a lot for it. And then that'll be our full-time job. Indeed. And maybe we too can live in a Frogmore cottage. Let's talk about Chloe 7e, but first let's talk about today's sponsors. Say goodbye to expensive TV bills and horrible customer service and say hello to Philo.

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I think this is my first jam session appearance? I don't think so. I think you have, like, occasionally over time show. Well, I have to check the books. I don't remember. Your spirit is in every episode. It's right. To us, it feels like you're always here.

I was catching up with the New York Times Instagram today, and they had a photo of Chloe 7y, which stopped me in my tracks. And I was like, whoa, Chloe 7E content. Lo and behold, I find out I'm late to it. In the most recent T magazine, they had a one-pager with Chloe on part of their recurring series about Celebrity's Most Prize Possessions, and she tells the story of one of hers, which, to sum it up, is a small,

decorative bird that is made by Damien Eccles, who is one of the three men who, from the famed West Memphis 3, they were on death row for like 20 years. They were, and they were acquitted, and other charges were overturned, and then he moved to New York.

And Chloe saw him on the street. She, I think, is around the same age. And so their story, and that story obviously is very famous, captured the national imagination, is a, you know, a very fraught and complicated topic that really hit close to home for Chloe 70 apparently because she saw Damien Echols

on the street and just started yelling his name and flagged him down. And then they became friends. And it turns out he's an artist. And he made her a small bird sculpted from paper, soap, glue, acrylic, and paper clips. He made it while he was on death row in prison. And it is now in her lovely Manhattan home. And it is one of her most prized possessions. Yeah. So I think it's important to note, Julia, that was a great recap. We know all of that because Chloe 70, shared all of that in her own voice with T. Magazine in the New York Times. As told to Emily Spivak.

And I just really I, like, can I just read a couple quotes? I would love for you to. One, I came from a generation that grew up on the West Memphis three documentaries and identified with those kids. That's just a real quote in the, which like, she was of the time.

Sure, yeah, and she came from a counterculture world like out of kids and stuff like that where those kids were considered sort of outsiders and miscreants a little bit. Yeah, we should note that we have Chris here on the podcast, not only because he's the silent executive producer of Jan Sebastian, but also something of a Chloe 70 expert. Yeah, I think she's like basically the love of my life. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I'm an expert. And also you are more familiar like with this time, this era and this genre of interests.

Yeah, I'm older. Yeah. I'm interested in the West Memphis three. I'm very interesting Chloe 70 in her work. She is an iconic New Yorker. That is an iconic Knicks attendee. Like one of the top five Nix fans. And that is an incredible New York move to see someone, to see Damien Eccles on the street and be like, yo, Damien Eccles, come here. And then start crying. Yeah.

That's amazing. So let me ask you something. If you saw Damien Eccles on the street, like coming off the subway on 8th Street. I love that it's also the N&R coming off the 8th Street. Very vivid. Vivid. Right by Kmart. Right.

And also just like, of course, that's where this happened. Would you be able to recognize Damianaw's on site? No, absolutely not. Well, I mean, credit to Chloe that she did, and then they became friends. This story makes her seem like a character from the movie The Ice Storm as interpreted by Matthew Weiner. Like, that's the only way I can really think of her. And I love Chloe Savigny as well. I think we love her for different reasons.

She seems like a McEnnerney character or something. It's just like a great, she is a great New Yorker. Like, in many ways, she literally is a McEnany character because she would. was made famous by that profile. One of my favorite things that's happening right now, and there's just not enough favorite things, is Natasha Leon and Chloe 70's, like, victory lap as the, like, the queens of New York City,

the last surviving members of, like, New York Cool. And just like, they're still there. They're still holding it down. And they're still speaking their truth. That's true. How do you feel about that New York Cool now being, like, exported? And I guess it always has been. Like, Chloe 70 has always been the figurehead for that.

I mean, it's been commodified for a while. I'm fine with it. As long as, like, they're getting their due, that's fine. Here's what's dope about Chloe 70, among other things. Okay, great. First of all, she lives in Manhattan. Shout out to that. I really like the part of her New York cool is that she lives in Manhattan,

and she lives in, like, a medium-old building that she overpaid for an apartment because she just, like, liked location. I'm guessing she lives Chelsea West Village just based on the light in her apartment. Oh, see, that's a probably good call. I was wondering if maybe it was, like, Kipps Bay Area. No. This looks like a 6th Avenue 20th Street to me. Huh, okay. Just based on the

light in the windows. I can see it. Next. She's showing off books in these pictures. Yes. All art books. Nothing that she's a probably, I bet she actually has page through all of these. She's got a bunch of like Black Panthers retrospectives. Yeah. And she's, yeah, she's this is like legit. Like she's like, this is an art piece. Okay, I've got art books. Let's get them in the pictures.

Sure. I also think that like Chloe 70s like up in McNally Jackson. Chloe 70 is like up in galleries. Like that's the best thing about like L.A. has like this weird thing where you're online for something stupid and then you're like Christ that's like the person from justified or something. You know what I mean? Like

you just notice these people but like New York gets a little bit more like they're in the cut like they are in the mix at the bar with you like doing their life shit. They're coming off the subway at 8th and Broadway. They're living the name. Damien Eccles from across the street. Can we talk

a bit about this photograph, things other than the sculpture that one might note in this. Number one, the housecoat. Are we calling this a housecoat? Are we calling it a dress? I think she would call it a housecoat. That resembled a housecoat. She was like, this is the house coat I will wear in tea. So, pajamas are very present in fashion right now. I just heard this from another friend. Yeah. If she's like pajamas are in right now, I was like, okay, cool. It's kind of like, it's been happening for a couple years and it's, I think it's kind of like trickling down. I was wondering about that because I was Elizabeth Moss's pajamas in us. I was like, oh yeah, pajamas.

Real Housewives are really into pajama wear right now as well. Right, but it's like pajamas that are worn outside of the home. It's like a leisure wear thing. It started like a few years ago on the runways and it's like kind of trickling down. It's a progression from athlete leisure. Right, but this is, yes, totally. But, you know. For those who find that leisure too restrictive.

Well, also with pajamas, you can have like a really great print or a fabric. You know, it's like a more emphasis on color perhaps. There's no spoiler to say that Jody Comer wears pajamas out in the first episode of Killing-Eves. You know what it also goes really well with? Your Instagram on your boat on the Amalfi Coast. Like that kind of whole vibe of like prints and light fabrics and leisure. It's just, again, very Instagram ready. Yeah, it's a way to show off a textile.

But Chloe Seveying is wearing is not Instagram ready. Are you kidding? I mean, it's beautiful. This is beautiful. I would say this is elevated. This is like, this is beyond. Yeah, this is for like, she's, she's moved past the pajamas and she's just like,

we're doing a goddamn house coat. I mean, that's why I caught my eye on the New York Times Instagram today. I love this. I love it too. I would love to own it. What should we put the dollar amount out here? 3,700. Yeah, I was going to say, like, below 5,000.

But above 25. Yeah. I think that's right. I think that's right. I think that's right. I've been supported this person's work for a long time. I have been looking in this T magazine spread. and I can't find the credits.

So if I missed that, please let us know. We'd love to know, not that we can afford it. She is, as Kaya pointed out, also just wearing house slippers. But, like, again, probably like $500 ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably like Todd's, that's the name of the brand, right? The fancy Italian one. Yeah.

They're probably, like, jealous that they couldn't get that product placement. Okay. Yeah. And then she's got this magnificent exposed bar. An incredible bar. Yeah. Please note the Furnette front and center in the bar situation. That bottle's right there. we were just talking about a different profile in the New York Times of Sam Rockwell, where he orders two Amarro's, not one but two,

and then talks about how Fernette settles your tummy. So maybe it's finally Fernette season. That's great. That's good to know. Yeah, great glasses. I just feel like so often in these magazines, particularly when we look at Architectural Digest and often T-Magest as well, it just feels there's a level of artifice and it's forced and, like, letting the camera into your home,

and so you're performing for them, this just doesn't feel performative at all. No, check out the platform on her dining room table, too. That is fucking dynamite. The table and chairs are incredible. I love the table and chairs that she has. It's just... It's super 90s.

This is what taste looks like. It's just like, you can just tell that this person has like a specific vision and style, and it's just like, it's functional, but it's beautiful. It's unique. She just like... I wish people could see her face. You're like so disgusted by how perfectly tasteful this is.

No! That it's like there's nothing else to say. No, I'm not disgusted. I'm just like, I'll never be able to do that. It's just like, there are people who have this. I got to say the flooring is what made me think Kips Bay because, like, I feel like every New York apartment has that flooring. Yeah, it's super 80s 90s. She just, she just dazzles it out.

Also, she must be on a high-ish floor. I'm going 15 or above because there's no window treatments. But I feel like you can see, really? Yeah. I don't even think that's like, oh, I just moved in. I think she probably just doesn't have them. Like, let's get the light. That's great. I love getting the light, as we all know.

Also, what's this painting? Like, this looks like... It looks like a guy who's, like, on a whaling trip. Not enough credits in this spread. We need to know more. That's true. Maybe we should call it Emily Spivak. Chloe Seventy, bringing back 19th century landscape art.

Everyone's... Can we just, Chris, kids is off the table because it's iconic. What are your, like, top three Chloe 70 works? And it could be a photo from a paparazzi photo. It could be anything. Number one, and the reason why she's, like, just an incredible hang is Chloe 70's interview at the Madison Square Garden. It's like the Garden Minute

or the 62nd Garden interview. Can we play a bit of it? Yeah. Welcome back to the world's most famous arena Madison Square Garden. That's a half mixed up by four. It is time for give me a minute. My guest tonight actress, Chloe Sevenier,

and I want to say congratulations. You just want a Golden Globe for Big Love. All right, and you're here all the time at the Knicks games, I should say. Who's the coolest person you've met on Celebrity Row that you were phased by? Actually, Beyonce and Jay-Z. They were the first celebrities, too,

to ever turn and introduce themselves. I mean, they were so kind. No wonder they're so successful because they were so personable and they're like, I'm Beyonce, I'm Jay. Like they, we shook hands and everything. It was the first time this ever happened. I sat next to so many stars.

I was like, wow, that's pretty cool. She seems like a top three or four hang all time in this video. She's also like in these videos like is always just like wearing a leather jacket, a black turtle neck, and drinking a bud light.

Yeah. Because she's a queen. So number one, Chloe 70 The X-Fand. Number two, I'd probably go Chloe 70 Last Days of Disco. Yeah. Number three. Her dancing in that movie is so good. I'd probably go Chloe 70 Bloodline because she's having a blast being Florida Keys trailer trash. Wow. And wears jean shorts the

entire time, like the entire season. She just hangs out in jean shorts. Which is like, I wonder if that was part of her like, here's the thing I'll do this show. But I'm never changing out of jean shorts. What would be my next one? That's three. That's good. That's good. Yeah. Amanda? Definitely last days of disco.

Yeah. We all agree. It's just incredible. I'm putting the Jay McEnany profile on there. That is like maybe the most iconic piece of style journalism or it's up there. I mean, and both people are just really on one throughout that, both the writer and Chloe 70. Perfect matching of writer and subjects. Like just pitch perfect.

Yeah. And timing. And I think I would also go with the Knicks. It's just been in. Or just like any time you ever saw Chloe 70 hang out. outside of opening ceremony or Chloe Seventy, like outside of Kim's or Chloe Seventy doing whatever. I saw her at the Albertsons on Hillhurst. Did you really?

One time. Wow. Here in L.A. And that's the only place I'd want to see Chloe Seventy in L.A. That's true. It was good. Albertsons is a good level. That, like north of Franklin, really north of Finley on Hillhurst, like up to those fields

Boulevard is like the safest space for a New Yorker in L.A., I think. Because it looks like Central Park. Those three walks. So that's why she was probably there. The safest space for a new worker. I agree, Nick's Las Sees of Disco. And then I just ride till I die for Nicolette Grant from Big Love. She is so good on Big Love.

That show is excellent. Like, I just think it's completely overlooked by time, but not by me. And I just, I love her in that show. Her compulsive shopping in season one is such an incredible curveball that I never saw coming. And then she's just the most interesting, dynamic, electric character on a very good show. Yeah. All right. Team Chloe Sevengy.

Team Chloe Seveny. This was fun. For life. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming, Chris. Another 90s throwback that we need to discuss in addition to that rousing

conversation about Chloe Seventy. Spice Girls' drama. I guess they're preparing for a world tour, which like, would you go to that? For free. I know you're not buying a ticket. Would you go for free? Yeah.

I mean, where is it? Is it at Staples? Yeah, I'd go at Staples. If it's like at Dodger Stadium, I mean, also frankly, Dodger Stadium is lovely at this time of year. So the end of the out at a concert in L.A.

always has to be considered, like, the traffic, the navigating, et cetera. Yeah, that's true. But I think in either case, if I were given free tickets... You'd go. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be fun. I mean, I definitely know many Spice Girl songs. And, like, let's be honest.

We're not missing much musically without Posh. Like, she didn't do that much, so it's fine, people. Like, everyone's like, oh, I can't what she's not doing it. I get completism and all that, but we'll live. It does kind of say something about, I don't know. Part of the reason she's not doing it is because she's just like a huge... hugely successful designer now. She just has like a... Megan Markle's wearing her clothes all the fucking time. Yeah. I mean, I think it, I don't know if

it's like hundreds of millions of dollars or a billion dollar business, but it is like really, really successful. It's wild. And she has like completely reinvented herself, which is, I was thinking a little bit about this with like the hills and the hills is coming back. And obviously Lauren Conrad's not on it because she doesn't have to be because she has her own business. pregnant. She announced yesterday. Congratulations to Lauren Conrad. I was also thinking a little but about how, like, the most interesting thing about the Hills to me still is that Emily Weiss, the founder of Glacier, was super interned on the Hills. And now she is running a company that is literally valued at over a billion dollars.

And then I spent $100 on earlier this week because I needed to re-up on everything. I just kind of, you know, was out of everything and I needed to re-up. But so it's like, it's the people in the 90s artifacts who don't. don't have to go on the reunion tour who are the most successful, even though it feels like, even though when you're talking about a Spice Girls Tour or the Hills Tour, it's like, oh, this person wasn't included. Well, yeah, this person wasn't included because they are worth like millions and millions of dollars. She doesn't need to do it.

Yeah. She doesn't need the money. And that's, knowing what I know about posh, I'm like, this feels like this, it's not an A-plus tour because they don't have posh. If you could get posh, then it would be the whole set, you know? But it's a lot less significant of a lot. than say in sync without Justin Timberlake. Yes, that's true.

Like, that's impossible. Right. You couldn't do that. Right. No, Justin, no tour. That's true. They'll be fine. She didn't sing that much.

That's all I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. No, you're right. You're right. But I'm with you. She's above it. She doesn't need it. Right.

I wanted to talk about them, though, because a great daily mail story that I've been tracking all week. Yeah. Great is something. I don't know. Melby, Scary Spice,

alleges, claims that while in the heyday of the Spice Girls in the 90s, She had a secret affair with her fellow Spice gal, Ginger Spice, Jerry. And she was like, yeah, we had a lesbian affair and went to the press with this. And Jerry Spice is like, no, we did not. Incorrect. I don't know what she's talking about. Let's keep it moving. Inauspicious beginning for this tour, whether it's true or not is besides the point,

to have differing stories from the two people who are in it, who are in the band, who are about to go on tour together, doesn't seem like a great way to begin your tour. So can I ask? Because it's just like classic daily mail stuff. Was it really like Melby is like we had a long affair and Jerry is like, no, we didn't? Or was Melby like, I think we might have made out once. I think we might have had a romantic interlude. And Jerry was like, I don't remember that.

Well. Because that's a big difference. You know what I mean? Because one you could come back from. One, you can just be like, oh, maybe, you know, I don't remember. Sure. But like, I'm looking forward to the tour. Yes.

And there's no animosity. And there's other where it's just like they're yelling at each other on a reality show being like, yes, we did. No, we didn't. That obviously has its own appeal. I don't think it was like a full-on relationship. This was on a Pierce Morgan show. So take that with a grain of salt. Yeah.

She said it. And she said that it was more than, it wasn't like we dated, but it was like more than one time they had sex. Okay. And then Jerry said no, that it's not true. Okay. So I don't think it's aired yet. So we'll have to wait until that comes out. All right.

And, yeah, it's just this is a fun story, you know. A lot of a good tab situation coming out of the country in turmoil right now. Yeah. I mean, I'm excited to see how this shakes out. Me too. Okay. Thanks for listening. Thanks to Chris Ryan.

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