The Press Box - Kylie Jenner’s Baby Announcement, Armie Hammer’s Tracksuit Tour, and the Latest in Celebrity Real Estate | Jam Session (Ep. 423)

Episode Date: February 8, 2018

The Ringer’s Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Kylie Jenner’s birth announcement before Juliet gives her official Kardashian baby-name ranking (0:36). They also have an update on Armie Hammer and Timothée Chalamet’s exciting Oscars press tour (22:18) and discuss the latest in celebrity real estate, featuring Taylor Swift, Jemima Kirke, and Jennifer Aniston (27:41). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Julieta Libman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. It's unfortunate, but we're just going to do it. We're going to talk about the new Kardashian spawn. We can't. It sucks. It's going to be part of a larger conversation. It's an indicative of where we are in culture. In 2018, certainly celebrity culture. Yeah, absolutely. There's so much real estate to get into. And of course, a lot of updates from the Call Me By Your Name, Oscar campaign. If you thought we were not going to talk about the tracksuits, then you do not know me at all. Let's just get into it. Kylie's baby is here. Kylie Jenner has basically not been in public since she was pregnant. Yeah. The last time I can remember her being in public was at the wedding of Trevor Arisa, who's on the Houston Rockets. Okay. And she was there because Travis Scott performed at the wedding because Travis Scott is like really

tight with James Hardin and Hardin's tight with Trevor Arisa. And it's like the whole Houston basketball cabal. Just an incredible source is say inside. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Okay. The wedding was in Dana Point. It was in July.

And it was in July. Yes. Okay. That was the last time. And she was running like a red. pants suit. It's the last time I think she was like out in public. And she has been conspicuously absent, partly because like the Kardashians were just in public all the time. That's what they do. And when she was on Instagram or when you saw photos of her, they were cropped in such a way

that her stomach or any kind of pregnancy indicators were not shown. In the Calvin Klein ad, she's underneath a quilt. Yeah. So it became and there were a few paparazzi photos where it looked like possibly she might be pregnant. Yes. And then the internet's been on like drive. The TMZ was like, essentially stalking her for footage. They got it about two weeks ago when she and her best friend and Chris went to look at the construction side of a home for someone. They said it was for Kylie, but that's not confirmed. So there's been like a ton of speculation about where Kylie is and whether she's pregnant.

We should note that the annual Kardashian Christmas card debacle really played into this. Instead of doing their normal Christmas card, it's kind of like an event if you care about the Kardashians, which Juliet does not care about the Kardashians. We'll reiterate that throughout the podcast. But this year they did like an advent calendar to the reveal. And Kylie wasn't in any of the first 24 days of the photos. So everyone assumed that on Christmas they would reveal Kylie with the baby bump. Right.

And then she was not there. And then people were like concerned. I spent a lot of the Christmas to New Year's break just being like, where's Kylie to people? People were concerned. It was like being discussed. It was, and it's unnatural for them. They are their whole. fame is built on availability and visibility. Yes, absolutely. And it just makes no sense.

And meanwhile, Kim and Kanye confirmed they are using a surrogate, but no one knows who the surrogate was. Chicago West was born more on her a couple weeks ago. And also, meanwhile, meanwhile, Chloe Kardashian announced her pregnancy with a Craven Calvin Klein ad. So there's just a lot going on in the pregnancy space. She's been like, Chloe's been extremely vocal about it. We've seen a lot of baby bombs. Yes. Yeah. And so then all of a sudden, it was confirmed that Stormy Webster had arrived.

Okay. Here's one thing I did want to say about before we go to the name. Okay. Before we go to the name, which is like its own segment. There were several like false reports of, oh, Kylie's at Cedar Sinai and I. Kylie is in labor. At some point there was a like crazy theory that Kylie was the surrogate of Kim and Kanye, which is not true. But I was thinking about how hard it is actually to cover up pregnancy.

And she didn't totally because we all were suspicious of it. But it was not rumored that she was in labor. No. She controlled the announcement of it. It reminded me of Beyonce, right, that it is, it costs so much and is such a signifier of wealth and success at this point to just be able to keep a secret like that. Totally. Which is really fascinating.

It speaks also to how they've really drilled down on like who their staff is. and who they work with and who's around them. Yeah. And like they just sort of operate in their own bubble now. That like occasionally comes into contact with like the rest of the world. Completely. It's a whole universe. Yeah.

It's really confused. And the other thing about her announcement, which is important for what's going to come next is that she was like, I really wanted this to be private. I really wanted to experience this without the public. Right. Thank you for respecting my privacy during that time. It's been such an amazing experience. and then, and that was like part of the announcement, which I believe came on Friday, right,

that the child was born or sometime over the weekend? I think it came like four hours before the Super Bowl. Oh, so it was on Sunday. Yeah, you're right. It was on Sunday. And then on Monday morning, they released, before the name is out, they released a 12-minute YouTube video called To Our Daughter on the official Kylie Jenner YouTube page. And I'm not an expert on the YouTube economy.

Sure. However, if you post a video to YouTube and it gets like hundreds of millions of views, you get some money off of that. I think you do. You get some revenue. You might have to share it with YouTube. Google, cool, alphabet corp, whatever. But you know who else is getting money off that? It's Kylie Jenner.

The second most profitable, Jenner, Kardashian of the bunch. It's uncomfortable. The whole thing is really a bummer kind of because there is this element of her not wanting to share it, which is her right. And in a way is kind of like what a normal person would want to do. And I think you and I are both, I'm a little more fascinated, but we are both kind of skeptical of the Kardashians availability. Sure. It's not how we would live our lives necessarily. Yeah, certainly not.

And they certainly do mine all personal lives for content and fame in a way that is both innovative and kind of queasy making at times. Sure. It's like extremely shrewd. And like you have to on the one hand, like commend Chris for the empire that she thought could be possible and has, has made possible. But on the other hand, Kylie Jenner is 20 years old. Yeah. She's not been the Travis Scott for that long. And they made this video. It has like, it interviewed Kylie's various friends, some of whom are famous by way of the show, some of whom are not, talking about like how happy she was and how beautiful it is and how great it is. And like that's all like a really nice

sentiment. But like this isn't normal. Like I don't, I don't know if I were at 20 and my boyfriend of X number of months less than the year got me pregnant. It would, be like kind of a crisis. It's true. It wouldn't just be like this like beautiful story and like I'm not a celebrity and I know like the terms of her life are very different than a normal person. But like to pretend like this is just like some normal like regular person having a daughter is bizarre and not truthful.

And in some ways counterproductive to like what the original Kardashian appeal was. Yeah. And I'm not going to. I think if she wants to have a baby and she's excited about it, then that's great for her. Babies are fantastic. I was talking with a friend of the podcast, Katie Weaver. who writes for GQ. And she, this was before Stormy was born, which I still can't believe that's a name.

We'll come back to it. And she was telling me about an interview that Kylie did, I think a couple years ago. And she's just talking about how she's 16 years old and feels really overwhelmed by a lot of what she's doing. And she says the right things about feeling grateful and knowing that she lives a blessed life, but I'm just going to read this. She says, the interviewer asks, you do feel. feel like you missed out on a lot of stuff. And she says, I do. I feel like I'm going to look back

and be like, damn, I wish I could have just been a kid and done normal teenage stuff that my friends get to do. But it is also a blessing. And I've done so many things that most 35-year-old women still haven't done. You can look at anything glass-half-full or whatever. Like yesterday, I realized that I'm 18. I'm a female. And I've accomplished so much. But she keeps going. She talks about being bullied since she was nine. That's sad. She talks about how she doesn't want any more. attention. She doesn't like wearing makeup anymore. It just keeps going on and on the length of it. It's an interview. It's really long and just leads me to believe. Where was that printed? It's an interview magazine. It's uninterview in interview. She's extremely confusing. Sorry.

But Katie was making the point and I haven't stopped thinking about it of just how she started really young. She's never known anything out of this. It wasn't really her choice. It was chosen for her. And she seems pretty uncomfortable with it. Yeah. And wow. while I kind of respect her decision to keep it private and do it on her terms, it doesn't totally seem like that's out of a choice of strength. It seems like it's a choice out of like feeling cornered. Yeah. It bums me out.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I think the whole thing is sad. I also think that she very noticeably had like a physical transformation before before she got pregnant. She just went from looking like she was 17 to looking like she was 27 very quickly. There's some speculation about some kind of like lip injections and like potentially other plastic surgery. I mean, she says in that.

I've had experiences that 35-year-old women haven't had. Yeah. I'm just like, well, but you're 18. Yeah. And like that is sad. Yeah, it is sad. I feel, yeah, it's just such a bummer. I mean, it's also just makes you realize how, like, unique her circumstances are.

Yeah. Like, it's so cheesy, like, the price of fame. So it's, like, definitely been sort of uncomfortable to watch this unfold. Not so much fun. No, not at all. I do think there's just a nice, nice thing that three of these sisters will be raising kids that are the same age. Hope they find support and community with each other. Yeah, and four out of five all have young children now.

It's so crazy. It must be weird to be Kendall. Must be really weird, but maybe she's having a great time. Maybe. Moving on. Kylie announced the name of her daughter yesterday. And it is Stormy. St.O-R-M-I.

Stormy. As in the weather is Stormy. Give the full name. Stormy Webster. Right. Okay. Obviously, the stormy is a problem given recent political advice. Sure.

The first thing I thought of was Stormy Daniels, correct? Yes. Porn star and alleged mistress of President Donald Trump. And as many people pointed out on Twitter yesterday, it became very clear that Kylie Jennifer does not read the news. Though candidly, that was like the least surprising revelation of anything that happened yesterday. I just want to say, she might not read it, but I believe she absorbs it by osmosis because I don't think.

Yeah, but do you think she's following like Maggie Haberman on Twitter? No, but like a lot of the time I'll like have a thought or like think of something. And I'd be like, wow, what a coincidence. like X, Y, and Z are also happening or, like, someone on Slack mentioned this. And I feel like you absorb words that knowing where they came from. And I feel like she probably like heard Stormy and sometimes like it was like, oh, interesting name. I generally don't think she did.

Like who is she, who is she following on any social media platform that is even following those accounts to then have them like recommended to her? Maybe CNN was on at like a waiting room and the doctor. That's my best guess. Do you really think she's going to like a normal? that has CNN in the waiting room? First of all, doctor's coming to her. Okay, you're right. I do not think that new... Also, she probably didn't decide in the last three weeks to name her child Stormy. TMZ says that she decided before the child was born. But it doesn't say it when. Yeah, it could have been last week then. Who knows? It's just horrific. Even if there wasn't Stormy Daniels,

I would still think it's a horrible name. I agree with you. Of all the Kardashian children, I'm going to put it at the end of the list. And I have an official ranking. Yes. I rank everything in my life, like literally everything, whether I share those rankings or not. Just know they exist. Okay. It's a joy being friends with you every day. Number one, Penelope. Penelope Dysic.

That's great. That's a great, nice, normal name. It's really lovely name. I've always found Penelope to be adorable. Do you think anyone in the Kardashian family has read The Odyssey? No, definitely not. All right. For sure not.

Number two, I'm going to go with Mason. Okay. That's like, again, nice normal name. Wouldn't choose it for one of my kids? It's a little Pinteresty for me. It's also extremely not Jewish, so it's out for me. Okay. But, you know.

I feel like possibly you're going to have a hard time on the rest of the list, but let's keep going. Number three, I'm going with North, aka Nori. Yeah. I don't think North is that bad. First of all, there's the Elijah Wood movie. I was just about to say I had a 10th birthday party. We all went to see North in theaters. It was a lovely experience.

What I've had 10? I don't know. I'll Google it around then. I think that name is fine. And I think Nori is actually quite cute. Nori's very cute. Northie's kind of cute. Yeah.

I think like all those nicknames are fine. Northwest is pretty cool. I think so too. It's like she's Kim and Connie's kid. Like her whole life is going to be very strange and not tied to any kind of normal phenomenon that you and I would recognize. So why not have kind of a snazzy name? She's definitely my favorite child of this family. I don't know why, but I think it's partially how they dress her.

And she also seems sassy. She does. Like in a cool way. And when she was in the videos that Spike directed Spike Jones, I was like, cool. Well, she's cute kid. She's the only one that has a personality that you've been. I feel like it's unfair. I know.

Kanye's your father. It's not fair. It's really not fair. Okay. Things really jump off a bridge here. Okay. But I think I'm going to go with number four, Chicago. Really?

Yeah. Okay. Because like at least there's a precedent for city names for celebrity children, like Bronx and Brooklyn. Oh, I thought you were going to be like, you know, Virginia and Charlotte. Oh, and those two. Yeah. But even like the new wave names.

Place, places. Yeah. Places. Brooklyn. Yeah. Places have become names. games. And so, like, I'm okay with it. And Kanye West, I like that he's so roughed for the shy. Yeah. Don't forget where you came from. Next, number five, I'm going to go with Dream.

Okay. She can easily co-op some of the Dream's greatest hits to be, like, her personal soundtrack. Sure. That's nice. Sure. And I mean, there's just a real, a whole playlist. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I dreamed a dream. I was just singing, I was thinking Cranberry. Yeah. You know. There's that too. It's great. There's a lot of potential with Dream, though, again, I wouldn't say I'm like pro this name. It's just not the absolute worst. Okay. And now we've hit the next tier. Okay.

Number six. Mm-hmm. Saint West. I hate St. West. I don't mind St. itself. I mean, listen, again, I would not name a child saint on my own. My real problem is that there's not a lot of flow.

Yeah. It's kind of in a rhythmic sense. St. West. It's a little. West. Yeah. It doesn't really have the rhythm that I'm looking for. No, not at all.

And also, like, it's just, Saint is like unfinished. It's like St. Mary, Saint, whoever. Great point. When the saints go marching in. Like, saint is not a word you say individually, unless it's like emphatic. Like he's a saint or what a saint for dealing with that? But it's just, like you said, there's not a lot of flow there. I guess the problem is if you had like St. Litman or whatever, just a random example.

Don't know where it came from. People would think it's like St. Litman, you know. Yeah, of a C. Right, exactly. And there is something about the St. West that is deliberate. you know that it ends and begins and ends. I don't know I'm like talking like a copy editor right now, but it's really, it's how I access this particular.

Saint is a girl, a boy, I can't recall. He's really cute. Oh yeah, he's a boy. He's really, he's unbelievable cute. Yes, I agree. Like a top three celebrity cute. The Kardashian West children are very cute. They really are.

They're very cute. Number seven. Okay. Rain Dissick. Yeah. Rain is awful. Just awful. That's tough.

Also, it's going to be confused. for like the weather rain. It's going to, it's like, going to be confused for like rain it in. Weather rain would be better. Maybe you just lean into that. It's true. Yeah. Rain should push for a name change. Well, I feel like that you can almost adapt it. You can just say yes. You can spell it that way. Also, like, the reign of terror. Like, I don't know. How many famous rains are there other than that one? It's a tough one. It's really bad. It's not a name. Like, no. It's just so stupid.

And it does really seem like the one that Scott had his own saying. Yeah. And that's, It's tough. It's just tough having Scott in the picture in general. I hate Scott. Here's the tough thing. He clearly has substance abuse issues and has, like, not been a reliable partner and parent, which they don't show you at all in the show. That's just kind of from tabloids and external information.

And from Chloe and Kim kind of making these speeches every season, which they've done that a million times. Sure. I think like the hardest thing for me with all the Kylie stuff, and we're about to get to the worst name. Yeah. is pretending that you're supposed to, like, support these, quote-unquote, unorthodox, like, family arrangements or whatever. Like, I feel like I'm a bad person for, like, worrying about, like, will this child have her father in her life?

And, like, what will it be, like, with her mother? And, like, that is, like, a judgmental thing. Certainly, it certainly is a value judgment that I'm putting out into the world. But I also don't know why we're not, like, you can't, like, talk about that. Like, I just seems like it's hard for celebrities to be parents in general because of their, their schedules, and I don't mean that judgmentally at all. But even when we were talking about J-Lo and A-Rod, who both seem like very committed parents, particularly A-Rod, it's like you have to be all over the place.

You're traveling all the time. It's so difficult. And so, like, I don't know why we have to pretend that it's going to be easy for 20-year-old Kylie and 25-year-old rapper Travis Scott, who clearly has like a little tour and, like, to keep doing his job and making money will have to like, by necessity, not always be available. Like, I don't know why I have to feel bad about wondering how it's going to go. I don't think you do. I actually think the kids would be okay because they have so many resources.

It's true. And they have each other, which is really nice. They have each other, which is nice. But this thing that you don't see and then I think it would be really instructive and actually a public good to show is like the armada of nannies and people who are helping them take care of these children. Totally. There's no shame in it. And it is how many people need to live their lives. And I feel like you always see a lot of moms talking about, I wish they would show the nannies.

I wish they would show how this actually gets done. It's a lot more complicated. She gave a great speech about this one time, one time. But I just kind of think you're wondering because you don't have information and you don't have a complete picture. And you're kind of like, this does not add up the way that they're presenting it, which it doesn't. And it's projecting a kind of rosy outlook. Anyone can do this at any time. Right.

Which is not true. They have like all the money in the world. And they have a lot of help. and they're in a very special position. Yeah. And I think I would actually, like, feel less judgmental and, like, less bad about, like, questioning what kind of parents they're going to be if they were more open about, like, the support that they have.

Yeah. I don't think we should pretend that, like, it's necessarily a good idea for, like, people with a lot of commitments at a very young age to have kids. Especially when their whole business model is asking you to follow their every movement and invested in them as people and be fascinated with how they live their lives. Yeah. They've kind of opened the door to that themselves, which, in Kylie's case, she certainly seems to regret. And I understand why. Yeah, because she's so young.

And hopefully she won't regret the single worst name in the Kardashian family. Number eight, Stormy. Stormy will definitely change. I mean, what's her middle name? I don't know. I don't think they revealed that. For some reason, I feel like it's like Stormy Breanne or something. I feel like in a year, there's definitely a name change. My other theory was that what if the actual legal name is Storm? And they're calling it's Stormy. Yeah. I don't have any factual basis for that. And I don't have any factual basis for that. I don't know why I'm giving her the extra credit for it, but I somehow want to believe that somehow I think some of this has to do with is the name emoji correspondence, you know? If I was north, yes.

I would go in the direction of Prince and be like, I'm just going with a logo and I would make it like a very elaborate, like up arrow. Like a compass sign? Like a compass sign or like an, I would just like. Going northwest? Yes. I would just like own the arrow and be like, and just like change to a symbol. I think there's just the most potential for Northwest, even though Penelope and Mason

or objectively better names. Yeah. Penelope is. I think I might go north over Mason. Really? Yeah. Wow. Why?

Because Mason jars are just too played out. Yeah. Really? It's just like, that's why you're thinking Pinterest. I know. I immediately just think of like too many Pinterest boards and wedding planning, which I didn't do.

And I just have a PTSD attack. So no. I still feel good about a nice dinner that's lit with tea lights in a Mason jar. I don't even mean to say that I'm against Mason jars. I really don't. Your forthcoming column of against Mason jars and Mason Dissick by a job is. I'm against many things, as you know, but I think it's perfectly fun.

I love a nice, like, butcher paper running down the table and some rustic, whatever, dinnerware. By the way, can I just say it to that I think? So I recently started taking ceramics. The classes were a Christmas gift, very thoughtful, and I needed somewhere to go on the weekend, I guess. I don't know. So I did not understand how hard's right.

mix is. It's really hard and requires a lot of like upper body strength, which I don't have. And so I've literally taken one class. And the newfound respect that I have for all of those ceramic plates that you get at the restaurants. Heath, good job. I mean, Heath and Heath associates, anyone who's trying to do that along with the mason jars and the butcher paper, that whole aesthetic takes so much work. I had literally no idea. And I, so I don't want to judge. Like Mason Jards, I just wouldn't name a kid. I think North is a better name. Good luck to all to this entire family. I wish them well and hope for the best, though, I'm concerned. Yeah. Juliet, I have a very important fashion-related item to talk to you about. But first, let's talk about Hotel Tonight. Fun fact, Amanda, unlike flights or other travel, hotel rates actually get cheaper at the last minute. Hotel Tonight, a great app, partners with awesome hotels to help them sell their unsold rooms, which means we get the amazing deals. All takes is 10 seconds, just three taps in a swipe to book a room. There's no long, endless list of a zillion hotel choices because

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and download the Hotel Tonight app now. Okay, Juliet, the Army Hammer track suit situation is just, it was really a moment. So Army Hammer did not get nominated for an Oscar. He didn't. And he immediately returned to a fugue state that aesthetically was very similar to Ben Stiller and the Royal Tannenbaum.

Would you say that's correct? It's very correct. It was a black track suit to be able to. So he did immediately go to a fugue state. There were some blind gossip items that suggested he was quite upset. And then also on his own Instagram, it became very apparent that for the two days directly following the Oscar nominations, he wore the same Black Adidas track suit. Just the same outfit. That's what I do when I'm like, have the flu.

To museums, to interviews, everywhere he was photographed, he's just wearing the track suit. He's also on his wife's Instagram in the track suit. And then she started making a joke of it. I think I really have a new found respect for her because I think she's suspected. You've always been a chamber head. You've been in the chamber high for a while. I'm fascinated by her, but I think she really managed this well because she clearly sensed that he was on a dark path, a dark timeline, just wearing a track suit.

He also got drunk and reactivated his Twitter. There was an Instagram story that I don't really think anyone else saw and I forgot to take a screenshot. But it was just him talking about how he, like, like woke up at four in the morning and just couldn't sleep. So he started doing push-ups in his hotel room. And I was just like, oh, my God, this is really, things are spiraling out of control. And meanwhile, Timothy Shalame is along for the ride.

Exactly. He's there for all moments of the track suit tour. And he's taking pictures of the track suit. So I think at some point, Elizabeth Chambers and Timmy kind of realized that what they need to do is spin this into a joke. So she starts calling it, La TrackSuit, and they start photographing it a lot on Instagram. Do you follow her? Should I follow her? I check in. Okay.

I don't follow her, but I check in regularly. And then at some point, so Hunter Harris and Vulture writes an article about the track suit. Then apparently Elizabeth Chambers buys more track suits and more colors. So the next week, he's literally just finishing all of his press obligations only in tracksuits. Incredible. It's a real, I don't give a fuck. I'm not dressing up anymore. My campaign is over. It absolutely is. But it's also basically his wife and friend turning a true existential breakdown into hilarious internet content. I can't believe how they spun it. It's incredible. Is Chambo the next Chris Jenner? It seems entirely possible. I'd prefer that.

She really, really leaned into it. I have a lot of respect for her. Do you think anyone else called her Chambo? Probably not, but I'm going to go with it. It was pretty special. Timothy Chalme is just, he's breaking out right now. He, meanwhile, he's just living life. He went to the Oscars lunch this week. And first of all, I love that he's tight with Sir Sharonin. I think it's like really cute. It seems like everyone in Lady Bird really liked each other, which I think is just really nice. Yeah. And kind of like a very like pure way. And he also Instagrammed a picture of like Kobe in the background behind him that Kobe was like participant in. It's true. But they weren't like together. And he is just like living it up right now.

That's true. One of the many ways in which he's living it up is that he was recently on the cover of V-Man, which is a men's fashion magazine. And he was interviewed by his personal hero, Frank O. Yes. And Timmy has no chill. None. None. I love it. He is so thrilled to be interviewed by Frank Ocean and just doesn't try to hide it. And it's awkward and endearing. An amazing thing about him is that he has no chill yet he's not thirsty because he's just like he's getting it. Like he's living a celeb life and it's not like it's not thirst. It's just like a really weird enthusiasm. He's just very out of place and like this top tier of celebrity right now. And it's incredible. It makes for great content and makes him very lovable.

He's young and he's happy to be there. And he is apparently not self-conscious enough to keep from doing things like singing to Frank Ocean. Incredible. Just incredible. Frank Ocean is just like, don't do that. Yeah, he literally said don't do that. Frank Ocean is a one-of-a-kind talent. It also seems quite ornery.

And I can't imagine what it's like to be interviewed by Frank Ocean. I would love to be interviewed by Frank Ocean. I feel like he would be like a psychological duel of like who's going to win this interview and Timothy Shalloway obviously didn't approach it that way. Well, sort of the energy levels would be quite different because you and Timmy are on one spectrum and Frank is clearly a more reserved takes his time, thoughtful kind of guy. I just also love that Timothy Shalmay had like no sense of that. He's not like, I'll meet you on your level kind of guy. Not at all. We've got more to come because the Oscars are still a month away. It's very exciting. So much more Timmy. There's been a

real estate bonanza in the celebrity world and we're going to get into it. But first, let's talk about the big picture. Hey guys, this is Sean Fennessey, the editor-in-chief of The Ringer, and I want to tell you about a podcast I host called The Big Picture. Each week, I welcome a different filmmaker to talk about their latest movie and how it was made. I've talked to the directors of some of my favorite movies, including Jordan Peel, Greta Gerwig, Ryan Johnson, Barry Jenkins, and dozens more. You can find new episodes on the Channel 33 feed every Friday

by going to The Ringer.com backslash podcasts, or by subscribing to Channel 33 wherever you get your podcasts. I hope you'll check it out. Let's get into our favorite topic. Celebrity real estate, beginning with my dream home, which is currently owned by Jemima Kirk. And it is in Cable Hill. It's a brownstone.

It's $4.4 million. And it has the best city terrace I have ever fucking seen. I cannot believe it. It's also just like, it's so stylized, but it just fucking works. I don't know. I'm so overwhelmed that I just moved to expletives by how much I love this home. It's really beautiful. It's definitely.

She clearly renovated it herself. It's definitely a Jemima Kirk, a home. Yes. It's not an apartment. It's a full home. It's a home. Yeah. And I don't know that I would make every decision for me personally in this, but she

really makes it work in a way a lot of celebrity houses don't. They always kind of feel like someone just like ran through an antique store and then an art supply store and was just like supermarket sweep. And this is very deliberate and looks good and like works together. I also, we just got to reiterate the terrace. The terrace is amazing. I mean, this terrace looks like it's in L.A. Yes.

It would be an incredible terrace in L.A. You'd be like, wow, you're living the dream. It's like a semi-enclosed, screened-in terrace that leads down to a garden and has remarkable tile. Like, it looks like Italian tile. It's just so beautiful. And it has a heat lamp, so it's all seasons. It's just like, it's so perfect. I would spend all of my time out here.

The semi-enclosure, it looks like you could probably fully enclose it for winter. It's brilliant. I don't know why more homes in New York don't do this. I guess it's for cost prohibitive, but if you own this kind of home, you probably could do it at this point. Like, it's just so beautiful. I also just want to say it looks a lot to me like a ABC home showroom, but like in a good way. Yeah. Like it looks like a lot of inspiration from that kind of like multi-material aesthetic.

Yes. And it's like got a dash of anthropology. It's got a dash of your favorite like flat iron district restaurant. It's so, it's so nice. I fucking love it. It also has the grandest showers I've ever seen. I was going to say, I think that in the shower, I'm glad you brought this up, I think that really spoke to me as looking through this was the attention to detail on the floors. The shower has a lovely, would we call that parquet?

It's like a checkerboard parquet. Yeah, it's like that kind of like old black and white kitchen. Yeah. I actually thought this was the kitchen at first. It looks more like one, but it's actually a bathroom with two stall showers, too. Beautiful, beautiful floorboards throughout. Also, she has a wardrobe rack instead of a fully closed closet, which I kind of like for this aesthetic. It would probably get too messy for me in general, but I think it's cool.

And there's just like a lot of open space. Also, it looks like a really wide brownstone by New York standards. I mean, it's great. There's a reason it's $4.5 million. Congrats to whoever buys it. Please let me know how your time in that apartment and that home goes. Okay, moving on to more populist fair. Taylor Swift, notorious homes.

Home Flipper. So populist. This real estate surveyor has purchased yet another unit on her block, Franklin Street in Tribeca. She already had a loft that was two apartments that she put together to make into a super loft. And then she owned a separate building on the block. And now she's bought another one, an $18 million townhouse next door at 153 Franklin Street, which means she has now spent almost $50 million on apartments on one Tribeca block. It is completely outrageous. The new one that she bought was $9.75 million, and it was an off-the-market deal. They'd call that

pocket listing on a million dollar listing. And it's weird. Like you raise a good point. Is this even a smart investment? Yeah. So we will share the Daily Mail article. They diagram it in such way. It seems like she's basically trying to buy up the whole building where her penthouse loft is currently. She's trying to, and she's trying to buy that whole building and she's also bought the building adjacent to it. So she's clearly trying to buy the whole thing and kind of have her own little colony on this street in Tribeca on Franklin Street. I don't know what the Tribeca real estate market is like these days. Me neither.

But definitely this seems like a lot of money. And if she's going to join them all, then you have a $40 or $50 million apartment that's very hard to resell because who's in the market for that besides Taylor Swift. And I just don't really understand the choices. I don't understand why she needs this much space here to try to get privacy as opposed to just going somewhere else. I guess she just likes it there? I don't know.

But I mean, we were talking about this. She can't really go outside. Yeah. She can just keep buying all this so that she can just stay in her giant apartment in Tribeca, which seems sad, but also, then why live in New York? I don't know.

I liked it better when she was buying properties near her short-lived boyfriends. Yeah, that was kind of fun. When she bought the home in Cape Cod near the Kennedy compound. And then when she bought the apartment in London when she was rumored to be dating Harry Seiles. That also just kind of.

kind of mirrors what you and I would do if we had Taylor Swift's resources, which is buying a bunch of homes at different places. I don't understand the palatial. Me neither. At some point, what are you doing with all this square footage? I don't know. You theorized that maybe she was going to build a recording studio if she hasn't already, which is smart. She probably will or like some kind of, I don't know. And then I guess she probably has space for her parents and then for her brother and who knows. Maybe she's buying Joe Alwynne in an apartment as well. Yeah. Moving on. Last but certainly not least. Wow. Just a gift from the media gods, the architectural gods today.

Thank you to Architectural Digest. Jennifer Anderson met with them to show off her beautiful Bel Air home. She's on the cover of the new issue. It's a stunner. It's really spectacular. It's really nice. First of all, great architecture. The house itself is just really...

It is a true architectural gem, I think. Yes. It was apparently designed by architect A. Quincy Jones and completed at 1965. Yeah. And it is kind of a mid-century modern marvel. And it's built into, I guess, a hill in Bel Air. So you have these amazing views. A lot of floor to ceiling windows on the main floor.

I love it. Me too. I love, love that. And then it's, how would you describe the decor? I think you described it best. Thank you. Would you like to share? Sure, I would.

I think it looks like a sort of like tropical hotel decor on a island, on a far off island is that's like part of an archipelago. So sort of like an apart hotel in the Maldives or what I imagine that looks like. Yes. Or a hotel in like Bora Bora or something like that. Yes. As designed by the people who designed Madman. Yes. Because it does have certain aspects of it have a 60s vibe, which isn't keeping with the home.

Yeah. The living room looks very much like Don and Megan Draper's Fifth Avenue living room where she famously performed Zubi Zubi Zoo. Yes. Much to Amanda's chagrin. No singing. Everyone needs to stop something. There is a mid-century vibe, which is just kind of lends itself to the house.

And also, as we discussed last week, like, is just super trendy right now. Yeah. One thing that this does, continuing with the celebrity trend that we've noticed, is it has a half-bath, which is cool, fine. And that half-bath, unlike the rest of the home, is covered with a very dark wallpaper, which I just don't understand. Like, what is that trend? It's not for me. I don't understand it.

Like, who wants a dark bathroom like that? Especially in a house that has so much natural light. Yeah. I mean, I guess maybe you're trying to catar program for that, but I would just rather have it be airy and light all the time. I guess it's not. I don't get it. Particularly compared to, like, this other bathroom, which is amazing, which has a bathtub that looks out into a garden. It's a large soaker tub.

It's all marble. Yeah. It's made from Calicata marble. It's custom. And it's like incredibly beautiful. It just seems like a spa ghetto. And I don't understand why you'd want that. One thing that's nice about this home as well is there's like both homey touches

and like really like this is a museum. Like in their bedroom they have like extremely high end beanbag chairs basically. Yeah. But then they also have like some couches that look incredibly uncomfortable. Right. But I'd never watch TV on. They also, I can't look at Jennifer Anderson's home without thinking about the extremely crucial Vanity Fair interview with Jennifer Aniston after she was divorced by Brad Pitt.

And she talks about, she makes about, she makes a lot of, makes a joke about how she can finally have a comfortable couch, which literally 10 years later, Angelina Jolie, in an interview with Vanity Fair, after talking about her divorce from Brad Pitt, says the exact same thing. I know. Because Brad Pitt does not allow people to have comfortable couches. But this whole vibe, it does, she clearly, she worked with a designer, but there is definitely a mandate of like, I would like to be able to live in my home and sit on my couches.

Yeah, absolutely. It's definitely the vibe of the whole thing, which is hilarious. One thing that bums me out is the article begins with her talking about how she has a office that she never uses. I'd love to see that ornamental office. Like what does that look like? O to be a celebrity who has that. Just great stuff. It's a really nice home.

It makes me feel good because I feel like Jennifer Anderson takes so many L's in magazines and like in the public in general. Yeah. And all the weird advertising she does now. It paid for a beautiful home. It really did. I'm happy that she gets to live this nice life. It looks delightful and relaxing. Congrats to her.

What a great home. We really encourage you to check this out. Thanks so much for listening. Yes. And thank you to all the celebrities for buying extremely expensive homes and taking pictures of them. Yeah. Good luck to Stormy Webster. I hope she has a lovely life.

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