The Press Box - Mike WILL Made-It on 'Ransom 2' (Ep. 288)

Episode Date: March 24, 2017

The Ringer's Micah Peters sits down with producer Mike WILL Made-It to discuss working with Pharrell on 'Ransom 2' (01:00), his recording process (06:00), and his dream collaboration (15:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Welcome to a special edition of the Channel 33 podcast. I'm here with Super Producer Mike Will. Dick, you did. I'm Micah Peters. I'm a staff writer with The Ringer. And today we're going to talk about your upcoming album, Ransom 2, which comes out on the 24th, yes?

Friday, yep. Well, first of all, happy birthday. Let me say that first. I appreciate that, man. Yeah, of course. Did you get anything interesting for your birthday? Man, we're just getting started, man, it's early morning. You know something up here we're cooling?

Starting it off light. So, you had a recently released song with Farrell. One of the new singles off the album is called Aries, Ugo, and it's the one, I think. Man, I appreciate that. Of course. So how did that come together? I mean, like, first of all, I want to know how did you get Farrell to talk? Because the last time, I think I heard a Farrell verse like that was on Move That Dope,

which you also worked on with Pete Nats. on the Futures 2004 album, Honest. So how did that song come together? Man, it was like, man, for real, man, we got a good relationship or whatnot, you know what I'm saying? We're both areas, man. We always connect on that level, you know what I'm saying? So, like, when I first met him, you know what I'm saying? He just came up to me.

He was like, yo, you Mike Will? I was like, yeah, he was like, yo, man, you know, big fan, bro, big fan. But I didn't even think he knew who I was. But, you know what I'm saying? He showed love off the rip, you know what I'm saying? So from there, you know what I'm saying? We just kept building and we did move that dope. And then that was a good success.

We actually, we actually had bumped heads about that. It was a funny story, man, because he had sent me two different verses. And then I had put the two different verses together, but he wanted to use the second verse. But I had used both of the verses. And then, like, I had sent it to him for clearance, but I guess he didn't hear it. I guess he just assumed that there was a second verse. And then someone that dropped and he heard it, he was like, yo bro like I wanted to use that you know what I'm saying the second verse I

ain't know you were putting it together I was just like man bro it was just like man I couldn't use like I couldn't not use this flow off for the first verse like this it was too crazy you know what I'm saying and then he ended up like we had to take it down at first and then he ended up hearing it a little bit more and then he ended up being like yo no I'm fucking with it you know what I'm saying so we were able to put it back up but um like with this album right here I have ran into him at a party and he was like, what's going on with your album, bro? And I was like, I'm about to turn it in.

He was like, man, you cannot turn in the album without me, bro. Like, I got to be on the album. I'm like, all right, say no more. So we got in the studio the next day. And then we started on this record, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just played, that was the first beat I played. And then he was just fucking with it, you know what I'm saying? And we were just bouncing ideas back and forth.

He was going in on it. And then we went back to the studio the next day. And it was crazy. He only goes to the studio at six in the morning. You know what I'm saying? Really? Yeah, it was like an early morning or whatnot. You know what I'm saying?

So we went in the second day, knocked it all the way out. I got to make some match shit. You know what I turned it in? I turned my album in like three days late, so it was a good timing. Okay. Yeah, I mean, like, it's just,

I couldn't get over the fact that it was just, it's, for all talking about the bag. Like, I've been, have you heard, there was this one Lucy he did with TI. I want to say it was like, 2010, where he was rapping under the moniker skateboard, but it was SK-8 BRD instead of like Station Wagon P like he does here. And it's like, you really don't think about it too much that. Ferrell was like really leaning on rappers at one point. Like we're actually coming up on the

11-year anniversary of the gangster girls' mixtape that he did where he was like rapping over liquid sores and everything like that. Yeah. Now Farrell, man, that's like, I'm a super friend of Pharrell, man, like, all the way of respect to, when we were working on areas, I was just telling them, like, bro, I mean, you got so many different, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's no, there's no boundaries on you, man. So let's just channel in and, like, each part, like, man, let's give them, like, the best wraps, you know what I'm saying? Let's give them, like, the edless melody.

You know what I'm saying? Let's give them the wave. And then let's give them, like, let's give them, like, new lingo. And then, like, you know what I'm saying? And let's just make it, like, the best of that. And, like, you know what I'm saying, all the way, complete record. So it was like, I mean, it all came together, it came together dope. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Definitely in the amount of time that, you know what I'm saying, we turned it around. And it was crazy because, like, that song, I don't know, it just gave me like the same feeling as I had, like, with Black Beatles from the beginning. You know what I'm saying? And it was like, Black Beatles was the last song that we turned in. And then this song was the last song that we turned in. Like, I feel like this is like, I don't know, Michael Jackson level, you know what I'm saying? Like, today, for real.

Yeah, but like more about the recording process, as you said, Ferrell and goes to the studio at 6 a.m. It seems like, say for instance with Gucci on my, when you had a, I think it was 21 Savage, YG, Migos, and Kamaya's like had some uncredited vocals on there, I think. Yeah, the girl buckles in there. Yeah, yeah. And it just seems like the video itself,

because you're all just kind of like you're just sitting around this lounge with red velvet and gold everywhere. And it just seems like that is, it seems like a very simple idea that the video sounds exactly like the song sounds like, but it seems very natural where it's just kind of like you kind of rely on group dynamics and chance, like when you're in your recording process. I mean, like am I close to it? No, no, I follow me. So I mean, I guess like how, like generally, Is that how, is that correct? Does that how the songs usually come together?

It all depends, man. Every record's different, you know what I'm saying? Like, that record in particular, you know what I'm saying? It was like me pulling up on YG, like me and YG, we always been cool, like, he let me hear his first album before it came out, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I always let him hear stuff, but we never had anything together, you know what I'm saying?

But we both respected each other's work, and we both were like, you know what I'm saying? We fought with each other, but nobody ever knew that we fought with each other or whatnot. And so he was in Atlanta, he was at the studio, so I pulled up on him. And 21 was there. So they were working on another song. And I had just made that beat, like in L.A., and then I had went to Atlanta.

And then I had went in the studio. And they were like, yo, man, I know Mike Will. I know you got some beats. I know you got some beats, you got some beats, you know what I'm saying? So then I just played that beat. And then 21 had heard it. And he was like, man, hey, turn the mic on. You know what I went in the booth.

And it was just straight to the point. Gucci on my shirt, Gucci on my shirt, Gucci on my, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like with the video, it was like, man, this, this song is like so straight to the point that it's like, man, why wouldn't we just go all the way to Gucci world, you know what saying? And not only have like, like, um, the Gucci that's in stores today, but also have like vintage

Gucci and there, you know what I'm saying? Like, had the Gucci goblets in there, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. And the, um, table spread and like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like different charms and different things like that, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, man, let's just, you know what I'm saying? man, let's just take it all the way to a Gucci world. And you know what I'm saying?

We actually came with that whole concept, find a location and everything, like, in a day, you know what I'm saying? With Motion Family and everybody that was like played a part in that. So it was like, man, we turned it around in the day and it all, and it all, like, came together. Is that just like that spirit of just kind of like just doing? Is that just something that you picked up hanging around Patchwork since you were like 15? Yeah, you can say that.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, how I came up, like, you got to just do. You know what I can't sit around and think too much. Definitely, when I was young, like, you're only young and young once, you know what I'm saying? Like, now, now me just turning 28 today is like, you know what I'm saying, like things got to be more, like, tasteful. And you know what I'm saying, you got to keep showing growth.

But then at the same time, like, you know what I'm saying, staying true to, you know what I'm saying, like your art or whatnot? Of course, of course. With respect to that, you're talking about elevating a taste and whatnot, or being adaptable and being able to move switch out, because I mean, like, you're, I mean, a massive crossover success. So, I guess my question is, when you're making certain beats, like, say, like, all in for Kid Cuddy off of his pain and passion of Demon's Land,

or never in the future song from Pluto or 773 Love, the Jeremiah song. Like, are you making those beats and thinking this is for this person? It's like, man, really, I got a production company, you know what I got a production team. So it's like, man, we really just want to change the sound on all kinds of music.

Like, you know what I'm saying? We listen to everything. So it was like, we don't only listen to just straight, you know what I'm saying, straight hip-hop records. Like this whole journey, like our whole journey, my whole journey and everything, we've just been able to use the resources at hand. And we've been learning as we go, you know what I'm saying? So, like, with different, like, R&B records and different pop records and different stuff like

that, it was like, man, this would be like a dope, you know what I'm saying, R&B. This is like a dope R&B, okay, the only R&B artists that we know at the time is like Jeremiah and maybe like a couple more different people. Man, Jeremiah all the way locked in, like, yo, let's work. So that's, as a producer, that's what you know. need first is an artist that you know what I'm saying respects your sound respects what you do as a producer and different things like that you know I'm saying so when he was all the way locked in you know what I'm saying he

trust my judgment when I'm like yo bro this is the beat man hop on this man man I feel like this is a smash and da-da-da-da he's feeling just that passionate about that track you know what I'm saying yeah then when he's going in he creates a masterpiece like 773 love so yeah you know what I'm saying me P Jeremiah like you know what I'm saying the whole team we know that this is like the greatest record of earth, but you know what I'm trying to, you know what I'm saying? Convincing everybody. Yeah, like the, like the, um, the, um, the, um,

Deft Jam side at the time and you know what I'm saying, like to try to get them to put it out as like a real single and let them know that it's a real single and all that. It was like, it was like, you know what I'm saying? It's not like today, you know what I'm saying? Now you can kind of put things out and it's going to stream and it's going to kind of spread, you know what I'm saying? Right. But, um, like, like around that time, it was like kind of like, it just came out on the

internet, but the people who heard it, like, really appreciated it or whatnot, you know what I love that song. And then, like, when you think about, like, um, like, I mean, any record, man, every record is different, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like, like, all in, you know what I'm saying, with Cuddy. It was like, me and Cuddy, we were in the studio for like a whole day just going through like a bunch of beats, you know what I'm saying, gang of beats, like, beat ideas I might have just started on, beat ideas, you know what I'm saying, like, that might be full beat ideas. you know what I'm saying like so we really put together like a whole EP and we had like a track

listening and everything of a of a you know what I'm saying like of just straight instrumentals right and then we had a name for the project and all that but you know what I'm saying he didn't he didn't record on any of them yet you know what I'm saying? Out of that list you know what I'm saying all then was like the one that he recorded on and he was excited about and he wanted to put out at the time and we just knew it would be like a shock just you know what I'm saying with me and him working together you know what I'm saying and like shout out to plus man he created the vibe that on that all-line you know what saying he set the tone on that and um but yeah man so it's like man really like ear drummers man we are we always just push each other and challenge

each other just to be out the box and just sonically you know what I'm saying we all sonically just on some awesome you know what I'm trying to be on some next shit you know what's yeah yeah definitely definitely um yeah I mean like to your point about uh creating like you don't just listen to rmb or rap or whatever and it's like kind of Like, nobody really thinks about, well, certainly not the lay person would think about how RICO love produced cell therapy and don't go chasing waterfalls. Yeah, for real. Yeah.

You got to be out of that box. I mean, growing up, watching people like, Farrell or, you know what I'm saying, like, Timbo or, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, Kanye, you know what I'm saying? Like, different producers just, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, bend over and, like, have, like, the hottest hip-hop record. and they have like the hottest pop record and then like you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Like even when Pharrell and Gwen like linked up and you know what I'm saying? He took Gwen out of her element and it just brought a whole new sound and like when Dr. Dre linked up with Gwen and you know what I'm saying like that just was like a whole new sound like I'm into stuff like that like making moments

you know what I'm making like classic records that's like man you know I heard it here first like I remember when this shit happened like you know what I'm saying? Like word. Say for instance like when you're gearing up to, because there's people that are, like, further outside the box than, you know, than just going back and forth between, like, R&B and hip-hop, which kind of, like, are bedfellows somewhat.

Like, say you're making, like, the bangers album from Ali Cyrus. You pursue, like, half, like, the lion's share of the songs on that out. Like, do you have to... Yeah. You have to listen to, like, do you have to get into a different headspace of, like... I mean, like, if you look at my iTunes right now, I got everything, man, from, like, Young Scooter 21 Savage Future

to the Smith's Queen you know what I'm saying like Arctic Monkeys Art J Gucci Main 2 Chains Ray Streamer

you know what I'm saying Ears Fat Man Key 2 9 you know what I'm saying and then like you know what I'm saying it's like so much different stuff

to Miley Cyrus to, you know what I'm saying, like, man, Lauren Hill, the Fuji's, like, you know what I'm saying? Just really eclectic, is it? Yeah, just everything, man. Imaging Heat. I got a selfish question, though. What's your favorite Arctic Monkey song?

I'm however to say, watch you only come me when you're high, or either, um, um, I don't know, I like that whole project. I really like the way that... The AM project?

Yeah. I really like the way the project. was just like mixed you know what I'm saying and like sonically how it sounded it came on it sounded like Dr. Dre mixed with like Lincoln Park like I don't even know like it was just like it was very like submerged and boozy and like very like cool and like I don't know it was just fresh yeah thing was just fresh about it definitely yeah definitely so I mean like talking about I mean like you also produced like you worked on Mercy

on a cruel summer and produce formation, which, you know, like, was, I mean, the world kind of stopped spending for a second. I mean, is there anybody, like, so, like, ludicrous, cheesy, Bailisarius, Beyonce, literally everyone from Atlanta, Kendrick, Big Sean, like, is there anybody that you haven't worked with that, like, you really want to work with? Adele. Adele? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. What would that record sound like? Exactly. me. That's exactly what it was sound like, what the fuck is this? I feel like me and me and Adele are be able to make

like the man, like a MP3 that's never been heard before, bro, like, you know what I'm saying? Definitely. Like, I already know how I want the session to go and everything, bro, like, and I know we'll come up with something like super forward pushing, super, super different.

Super like, yo, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I see that you like kind of well I mean like you chase that feeling a lot I think I was reading an interview with the fader where you were talking about making that Gouap home record

I have two questions about that actually one you were saying that you were describing like what the beat sounded like to Gucci over Core Links which is like the text messaging service that he used for inmates like how do you go about describing a beat like through a text message?

Man go to just on a wave man My man was locked down. He was just, we were just texting each other, you know what I'm saying, on the core links. And he was just like, man, bro, look, I want the beats to sound like this. I want the beats to sound hard, just aggressive, just, you know what I'm saying? Da-da-da-da. Just, I really want to see what you and Zay, what you and Zay would, like, hook up together, like, da-da-da-da.

But it was crazy because me and Zay were already working. And we had dead, like, motherfucking write for two chains, you know what I'm saying? So, um. Song is also for us. When that song came out, like Gucci had hit me, like, y'all, I heard that song. USA did with two chains man that's shit hard he was like man look he was just he was in tune with everything that was like dropping at the time and he was just telling me like look bro and when I get out bro like I need my beats like this but I'm already

thinking my head like how I'm thinking like he should sound and it's like when he's hit me it's almost like he's describing like I'm listening to the beats I'm like okay he pretty much describing this beat you know what I'm like bro I feel like man I'm gonna come that way but you know what I'm saying just know it's gonna be a different tempo like it's gonna be a different tempo than everything else is going on right now. Like, you know what I'm saying? I just wanted to sound like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're not trying to fit in with anything or anything like that.

We're just dropping our project and the people just appreciate that. Like, you know what I'm saying? And he was like, man, yeah, I'm with that. And it's like we got out and knocked out everybody's looking in six days. So it was like we were pretty much on the same way. I think that like you were talking about the... First Day Out of the Fed's beat was named First Day Out of the Fed. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, we already had talked about the song and everything. And he called me when he got out and was like, yo, man, send me some beats. We're about to head to the house. I'm like, bro, I'm about to see you that first day out of the feds beat. Send it to him that's the first thing we recorded. That's still like just so, like, so amazing that the first, like, seriously, the first day he gets out of the fed starts talking about the gats and the toulies. Like, that was kind of amazing.

But also, you were talking about making way back? think it was. And you were describing like the sound that you wanted to your engineer because y'all are kind of button heads about how dirty the drum sounded, which is your trademark sound. Yeah. So and you were saying you wanted, you went to Africa and heard a lion roar. Yeah. And you wanted it to sound like that. Exactly. Is that the most inspirational sound that you've ever heard? Man, that's like the, that's like the best thing how I could just describe it to him at the time. It was just like, man, I was in South Africa. I was feed, we were feeding these lions or whatever.

And one of the dudes that was with us at the time, like, it was like this big chunk of meat that we were feeding the lions. So he had took the meat and hit one of the lions with it. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, bro, I'm like, bro, are you out your fucking lion, bro? We're in South Africa. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is a lion, bro.

Like, it ain't no piecing it up or it ain't nothing. Like, it ain't none of that, bro. You're like, nah, no, no, no. I ain't mean to, I ain't mean to. Meanwhile, the lion is sitting there showing his teeth the whole time. The whole lineage is right here. The whole family is just looking at us. So the driver don't really know that he did that.

I'm like, yo, man, let's just keep it moving, man. Let's keep it moving. So we shooting this other scene from Ray Shriver video for this could be us. And then all you are, like, and it just gets loud and loud. I'm like, damn, what is that? Thunder, but it's a clear sky. I'm like, man, what is that? You know what I'm saying?

Then they start roaring even louder. They're like, man, that's the lion. Brian I've never heard nothing like that in my work in my life like it was like man I don't even know how to explain that man you know what I'm saying that's all the animals started running you know what I'm saying so like when I was in the studio and I was trying to get this beat to where it's at like you know what I'm saying like my boy my boy Corey he's um Gucci's engineer you know what I'm saying like I never really mixed like one of my tracks like with him before you know what I'm saying so this was our first time like

really getting in there you know what I'm saying yeah and mixing the tracks and I and like you know what I saying like I had sent a version of Gucci and then go to me man no bro it's like man sound like you you in there scared or somebody will like I'm like bro it's not beat right he was like he was like man nah bro that's supposed to be beaten harder than this I'm like bro I don't even worry about it man I was saying the same thing they were telling me that it need to be clean say no more I'm just you know what I'm saying take control right quick went in the studio with Corey and I'm like listen Corey man you are fire what you do you know But just no, like this beat has to sound so big, bro.

Like, I want this to sound like a lion roar. And like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to sound like nothing, you know what I'm saying? Like nothing has ever sounded before. Like, you know what I'm saying? And then we're just in the studio going back and forth. I'm like, nah, this got to turn out.

This got to be more around. Now this kick got a hit right here, you know what I'm saying? Until we finally got it. And then it was like Gucci ended up doing two songs on that drum loop. So, um, so we used. way back and then we use it for Richard's nigga in the room, the same drum loop, you know what I'm saying? So, and then Zay added on both of those, you know what I'm saying?

So that's how those songs came about. So when you're talking about, like, you have the drums and then Gucci lays the verse, and then Zay Tovin comes in and adds the organ and everything on top, like, so there's a lot of layers there, and then you got to add in the ad-libs and everything else. Like, do you think about music visually? Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Like I feel like art is all about layers, you know what I'm saying? Like even if you look at a painting when you see like Or orange and the green it's gonna bring this kind of feel or a texture you know what I'm saying? Or like a yellow and a brown is gonna bring this kind of texture or either a straight yellow is gonna bring this kind of texture you know what I'm saying So like art is all about layers, you know what I'm saying even when it comes to to music, you know what I'm saying like You might stack a couple drums on top of each other and it might bring this kind of effect versus just a clean 808 or versus just a clean kick You know what I'm saying? It all brings different vibes.

So when I'm thinking about like the flow of a song or like, you know what I'm saying, how a song's going to be laid out or structured or whatever, I'm thinking about all that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Okay, take these either way it's out right quick. Okay, pause the beat right here. Okay, you need a drop in right here and maybe pause. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I'm thinking about all that is just like sonics, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, definitely. All right. Before we get out of here, I wanted to ask you about, okay, so there. There's this piece on Pitchfork called Chaos Theory, the unpredictability of Young Thug where Dundeele talks about Young Thug drawing shapes on the paper instead of lyrics.

Like, when he, before he goes into the booth. Do you have any, like, weird recording stories like that? Um, I don't really know, man. Some of the stuff I don't really be remembering, but I know sometimes, like, one time I had walked in the room, I had walked straight in the room, and, like, my boy plus had just, like,

lay like one sound down. I just walked straight in the room and just like finish that beat real quick. And then I just like, like not even taking my jacket off, not even dapping anybody up. Just walked straight in home. Just started going crazy. I made like four bangers like that night.

And they were like, and everybody was just looking at me like, man, bro, what the hell, bro? You didn't even dabbing nobody up or nothing, bro. You just walked straight in. Yeah, you're focused. With a glass of wine, a glass of red wine, man. And, man, I promised that I was taking off my jacket while I was making a beat man like matter of fact I know like it was like around the time

I don't know if it was the same time but it was like around the time where I did like you go you know what I'm saying different stuff like that like that beat with Ferrell you know what I know I know it wasn't the time I did black beaters but it was like around all that same little time but I don't really know any um making beats in the car you know what I'm saying like we made formation ride into Coachella you know what wow yeah we came up with formation in the car riding the Coachella or whatnot, you know what I'm saying? Like on your phone or your voice notes? Oh, you know what I'm saying?

Interesting. And then like Swa Lee, we're having like a whole bunch of voice notes, you know what saying? Same with Jim, a whole bunch of voice notes. So we all riding in the car and then I'm playing the beat and then like, you know what I'm saying, Swait started freestyling, Jim freestalling, and then next thing you know, Swade says I'm like, um, something, something, I don't know, let you get information, you know what I'm saying? And I was like, what did you just say, you just said, get information?

And then so I'm thinking of my head. Like, Beyonce just told me to send some records, you know what I'm saying? But if I tell Swayis for Beyonce, it's gonna throw him off, he's gonna start thinking too much. Yeah. She wants it to be just like a straight, how he would approach it. I was like, bro, man, that information is hard. I'm like, what if you say, like, what if it's like a girl empowerment song, it's like, okay, ladies, now let's, you know what I'm saying? Or like, like, something about the girls, he was like, man, you're like, man, okay ladies, now let's get information. And then he just started like, and I turned a voice notes on, and then he was just freestyling, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? And then Jimmy started freestyling. And I'm like, I recorded it, but it's like a lot of times they have a lot of voice notes that never get recorded like CD quality, you know what I'm saying? So we go to the studio, we do drinks on us and then we were about to leave the studio and I was like, bro, man, man, y'all hop on that formation. You know what I'm saying? They're like, man, you think they're doing hard like that?

I'm like, man, I'm telling you, bro. I'm telling you man, I think that could be something. They're like, all right, let's do it. Turn the beat on. Boom. Sway going to booth. He does his part and he does, okay, ladies, now let's get a formation.

And Jim going to booth. And he does the whole verse. And then he said something like, if she fuck me good, I'll take her ass to Margella. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then, like, it was just like,

they had their own thing, but they had, like, their own formation. So I just sent the whole thing to Beyonce. And then I had ran into her. I was with LeBron. I was with LeBron. And then, like, it was random after the game one day. and we were at this hotel, and there was like three in the morning, four in the morning,

and Jay Z and Beyonce just walk up. And then, like, you know what I'm saying? We're all just sitting there, like, playing music off our phones, like, playing different songs and stuff, and we're just talking music or whatever. And Beyonce just had hollied at me, and she was like, yo, man, like, I like a couple of those ideas you sent. I was like, fair. And then she was like, man, yeah, she was like, man, one of the ones, like, that formation

song, I was like, man, yes, man, I was like, man, look, I said, yo, me and Swait, me and Swake, we were talking about, like, the information part could be, like, get in line or, like, get information about the dude that you, you know what I'm saying? You're going to mess with before you get into relationship with them. Like, it just need to be like that woman empowerment song, like how single ladies was. She was like, oh, okay, I like that. I like that. But she went and made it a culture empowerment song instead of it just being a lady empowerment song,

like all the way about a culture empowerment song. And then she performed it on the Super Bowl, and then the video was lit. And then, you know what I'm saying? Like the way she did the Super Bowl was lit And then she dropped the album With the movie You know what I'm saying? Yeah

Like her vision Like she just took it even You know what I'm saying Even more out the box So it was like man Just working on that whole formation That was like a crazy I was like a crazy experience

And me and Riff Ruff did Chopin Blaze in the car You know what I'm saying Riff Rhyr I was just playing the beat And Riff Riff Riff Ruff Ruff Ruffin'all just I be flipping boy I be chopping blades I'll be flippin'

He was just in my BFW going crazy. I was like, bro, lay that down when we go in the studio. We went in the studio, he just laid it down. That shit came out hard, man. Yeah, man. Chopping blades and formation. It just sounds like he's just stomping on the, like, it's great. It's fantastic.

Right. Well, man, I appreciate you stopping by talking to me about Ransom 2 and sharing that story about Beyonce and riffraff. I appreciate you, man. Man, now for real, man, Ransom 2. It's not available, you know what I'm saying? It's just a rare, rare project, man. It's never been done before, man.

Not in this way. This has been a special edition of the Channel 33 podcast. Again, I am Micah Peters, a staff writer with the Ringer, and this is Mike Will. Dick. All right.