The Press Box - Royal Extravaganza and Meghan and Harry’s Baby | Jam Session (Ep. 538)

Episode Date: October 19, 2018

The Ringer’s Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins get together to talk about Princess Eugenie’s wedding (1:04) and Meghan’s faux pas of announcing her pregnancy during the event (19:38). Then they cover Pete Davidson and Ariana Grande’s breakup (28:37) and some celebrity real estate news (31:55). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Amanda Adams. Amanda, did you watch Eugenie's wedding? I did not watch it live. I didn't. I didn't watch it live either. I deviared it. I didn't watch. Oh, really?

What channel was it on? TLC, man. Wow, you didn't tell me that. You could have told me that, and then I would have deviated and watched it. I've seen every clip on Instagram multiple times. So I feel like I watched it. My number one takeaway is that no one in the world, knows how to say her name. And I learned because the present, so it was the ITV broadcast and it was

on TLC. Amazing. There are two presenters who are married to each other. And the woman didn't know how to say her name. And she was saying like most of us, Eugenie, which is what I tend to say. And then it was a talking point in the show that it's not Eugenie. It's Eugenie. Eugenie. And apparently Eugenie says to people, you know, like use your knees. And I think that's really weird. Number one, it doesn't sound anything like Eugenie. And number two, I was like, is this a Monica Lewinsky joke? Like, what is this? It is a bit blue.

Yes. My mind also went there. But honestly, and also Eugenie, just to American ears, doesn't make any sense. No, it's not how we understand it. But I like that that is the way that she's explaining it. It's a good... Eugenie. Can we call her Eugenie?

Like, I can't do Eugenie for this podcast. We're stupid Americans, and we're just going to say to the American way. and I apologize to all our British listeners. Okay. It's kind of a nice summation for what I like about Eugenie, which is that she, I mean, she's like the quote, fun royal, you know, and she's definitely not the stuck up super serious, super inaccessible royal that say Kate Middleton is.

She's got a bit of a personality. So I like that she's explaining her name in that way. That's cute. So also on the broadcast, because, you know, as discussed on this podcast, No one wanted to broadcast it. And they found ITV to do it. And it's obvious that like the concessions that the Royal, that not in the Royal Family that the York's made because Jack and Eugenie do a like a stand-up interview with them from like a day or two before.

Yes. And then Prince Andrew also does an interview where he like answers questions. It honestly looks like the kind of video that the ringer would do, but not as good. No, like that's not a humble brag. It's just like wasn't that good. It was like answering questions about like having a wedding. And he was like, I don't know what to expect. And it just was a really bad video.

And I was like, oh, I guess they only agreed to this if Andrew would like be in it. And so it was- No, no, no, no, no, no. Here's my theory. Okay. Andrew only gave him the rights to it if he could be in it. Oh, interesting. Andrew sucks. Let's just get this out here.

He sucks. He sucks. He's the queen's favorite son and he's been spoiled his whole life and he sucks. So that's where I am on that. So I really think, you know, I think part of the whole brouhaha with the BBC and the reason it became such a big deal is because he was really upset that no one wanted to broadcast it. And he made it a big deal, which is like, number one, very unfair position to put Eugenie in. That's mean. You know, now she has to feel bad that no one wants to broadcast her wedding, which is a

ridiculous sentence. But also, it does make her feel a little lesser. And then also, I don't really think it needed to be broadcasted, even though I would have loved to watch all of it if you had told me that it was DVR. I'm sorry. It's fine. It's fine. It was. I wasn't trying to withhold information. I just assumed you knew.

Yeah. Can we talk about one more part of that Andrew interview, which I did, I didn't watch it, but I've seen the quotes, which is that he makes a point of saying that Eugenie and her husband have had more guests than Harry and Megan did. Yes, he did. There was a lot of Harry and Megan, like, comparisons happening in general, obviously. Right. Which came back to haunt them. And by the way, we're going to get to that. Don't worry everyone. But yes, we definitely will. I actually have to say that I enjoyed the camera angle that they got better than from Harry and Megan's wedding. You got to see a lot more of like the actual castle and the grounds of Windsor and there were like fewer people there. And I really enjoyed that.

Like I was like, oh, look at that beautiful crenellation. Wow, this thing is old. Like I felt like that was really accentuated. And like the Britishness of it was like just so overwhelming. It was a blustery day. The sky was gray. You could see the castle. It was like a lot of ridiculous hats and also a lot of like sea list celebrities.

Yeah. Which I really enjoyed. Did you, is Richard Bacon someone you were familiar with? No. Me neither. He was on the broadcast. He was a friend of the couple who, this is really weird. He was like a presenter who got fired.

I seemed like he was like a hard partier. Right. Earlier this year in the year 2018, like within the last three months, he was in a 10-day medically induced coma. What? And then he was on this broadcast. And then he's back? Wow. It was so weird.

And the reason he was on it was because when he was in his coma, his wife received like a really lovely letter from Eugenie, like wishing her well. Oh, you're doing Eugenie? I've said it so many times because I've talked about this. I can't help it. It's not intentional. I know, but now you're making me look like a rub. Okay, I'll try to go back to Eugenie. It's fine.

I'm going to try to Eugenie. No, I'll try to Eugenie. Jesus Christ. All right, Eugenie it is for now. Okay. There was one camera angle. I don't know if you noticed this. And she's in a C-Lis celebrity, but for some reason, the main shot of Eugenie and Jack at the altar also included Kate Moss right over their shoulders. Yes. Number one, how does Kate Moss get that placement?

Number two, Kate Moss is wonderful. I love her, but is she really best friends with Eugenie and or Jack Brooks Bank? It's a great question. I think the answer is no, but they just were going for like the celebrity factor. Amazing. And then just the angle, she's really there for the whole ceremony. I was so confused, but also delighted. Great work by them. Oh, absolutely. I thought that Beatrice and Sarah, Duchess of York, gave off very strong Cinderella's wicked step-sister and wicked step-mom vibes. And I say that really liking both of them. Yeah, it was an interesting choice. They both wore jewel-toned satin skirt suits. Yes. And listen, I understand that there is a certain level of tradition to like the British fancy wedding, you know, country wedding or whatever,

and everyone wears their morning suits and you wear the hats and you want to be conservative. But this was honestly just like queen cosplay. It was very strange. It was really weird. Also, jewel tones are something that you select for the purpose of television. Like, no one's like, I want to wear this color green. Like you do it because you hear it looks good on TV. It's not even that actually looks good. It means that you stand out. And so it's just like, A very calculated move. Very uncomfortable. And I didn't think, especially for Beatrice, she just looked so much older than she actually is. I don't understand that.

She looked really bad, which made me sad. I felt bad for her. I do. I feel the same way. I wish her well. I felt bad for her that she was like solo at the wedding. I think it's like that can be hard when it's your sister or something like that. But I don't feel bad for her anymore because she's broke up with a guy that she's been seeing for 10 years. So I'm like, oh, okay. It's not like you couldn't find anyone. So like you chose this fate and I support it. I support you. What do you mean that you do? Oh, you support her because you think it was her choice.

And she's going out. Okay. I just was worried that she just can't get a date or something while her sister's getting married. Yeah. And, you know, she chose this life. And I felt better for her. I don't know. My only concern is, did she choose it?

Or did he ultimately decide after 10 years? Good point. Did they decide it wasn't going to work out? It can be hard. If you're with anyone for 10 years, it's basically like you're going through a divorce. So I feel for her. All right. I just didn't want her to be sad at her sister's wedding.

I agree. All right, can we talk about the dress, though? Yes. I loved it, too. I thought up close, though, the cut was really nice, and as you pointed out, kind of like the cut that Megamarkle should have had. Well, I just think it was actually tailored, and it fit her, and Megan Markle's dress to not fit her. Sorry. Continue.

I just thought that it looked a little bit like curtains, like white curtains with the upholstery. It reminded me of, like, the dress that Maria from the sound of music would choose. Yeah, but I like that dress. It's a style you like. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be caught dead at this. I want to be clear. But I think for the occasion, it suits her really well. I mean, what else are you going to do if you're having a royal wedding that is being broadcast on ITV because your dad's pushy?

Like, wear a big dress. I just thought. The train was lovely. Yeah, it fits her. She looked happy. She looked natural, like not natural in the sense of naturally occurring. But it fit her. She looked comfortable.

So I'm excited for her. It was designed by Peter Polato, which is an interesting choice. I've never heard of him. It's a British duo. Oh, that's cool. What did you think about her choosing to, like, show off her back where she famously had surgery? Right. Both of her dresses.

I think that's fine. It's, I don't know. It's great. I didn't really think about it. It's nice if people take meaning from that. Otherwise, I did feel like the close-ups of the scar on. Instagram where it's like a little more realistic than I like my Instagram to be personally. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. Give me the fantasy on Instagram. Yeah. But here's the other thing I really want to talk about. The readings at the service. Oh, my God. Just incredible. Okay.

I fast-forwarded through the service, to be honest. I didn't even watch. Yeah, fair enough. There was one biblical reading. And then poor Princess Beatrice had to read from the great Gatsby, okay? which as our friend Kate Nibbs, ringer writer Kate Nibbs has pointed out many times, what do they think the Great Gatsby is about? Because it's not about true love. I'm reading a daily mail headline that says that she read about the decadent but tragic Jay Gatsby, quote, because it reminded her sister of bridegroom Jack.

So I don't know if Eugenie finished the Great Gatsby. I don't know if the Great Gatsby is taught in a different way in the British school system. I don't, this is troubling to me. I think someone could have intervened. I think there's someone who has maybe taken a literature class and been like, this is not the most hopeful and romantic way to kick off your lifelong union. Bad idea, guys. Yeah.

It's pretty weird. And I'm wondering if it's like an inside joke that we don't get or something. But it's just, it's really dark. It's very, very dark. Yeah, I don't know. I hope it's an inside joke. Otherwise, yikes, that just, I mean, that's just stupid. That's surreal, just like, oops, you guys are not very smart if that's what you think

this is about. I mean, I think you may have to hit the nail on the head. I feel really bad calling people dumb, and I'm not calling people dumb. I'm calling a choice questionable. How about that? Okay. I, by the way, don't feel bad to calling people dumb. Okay.

Some people are. It shouldn't be an insult. All right. They don't have the same IQ. It's fine. All right, do you want to share your George and Charlotte take? Yes, I would love to. Okay, go ahead.

I'm so pissed they were in this wedding. They've been in four weddings as bridesmaid and page boy, and like, they're just too available. It really demeans the other weddings they've been in. They've been in so many. It really bothers me. I think that your actual quote was, they're too available for weddings, in my opinion. I like this take. I think it's really funny.

I, what else are they going to do? They know a lot of, they know a lot of old people. The kids are in the wedding instead of adults, which I like. I actually like that tradition. It makes more sense to me to dress up a bunch of children in the same costumes and have them parade around and look cute. Instead of having like a bunch of grown women who secretly hate each other, wear matching dresses that don't flatter them and make them feel insecure and stoke their competitive,

whatever. I don't understand adult bridesmaids. I get the kid thing. So in this sense, if they are more available so that, you know, grown women don't have to spend a lot of money on ugly dresses, I feel alright with that. That's kind of where I am. I just think it invalidates some of the other weddings they've been in because this wedding was just so silly. Like it was like a joke of a royal wedding. And I just feel like it insults the other weddings that were not jokes.

What other weddings are you trying to uphold besides Harry and Meggins? They were in one over the summer, or two over the summer, I believe. Okay. That were like for friends of Kate and Will. Yes. I don't know. I just feel like are the Yorks and the Wales kids close? I think so, somewhat.

I think it's probably a pretty singular experience being a grandchild of the literal queen of England. Good point. I think they are close. So you bring up a great point, which is that the actual whales and the Yorks are not that close. Because Camilla didn't show. No, Camilla did not go to the wedding. Camilla went to a school visit in Aberdeenshire. I'm sure I mispronounce that.

British people, I'm sorry. But literally there are photos of her looking at taxidermy with small children during the wedding. Like, she chose to go look at taxidermy instead of going to the wedding. And the reason that everyone is guessing is that Andrew was very rude to Camilla and Charles during their whole. should we get together, courtship, etc. And was unhelpful. Right. And so they've never forgiven him.

And so Camilla just didn't go. I think that's bold. I kind of like it. That she didn't go. Yeah. Yeah. It's spicy. As our friend Jason Concepcio would say.

Yeah. I like it a lot. Also, there's just so much going on with the politics between Fergie and Philip and Andrew and the queen and Camilla. One thing I didn't know and learned in researching this wedding. Yes. and such, is that Andrew and Fergie have lived like in the same home, basically. Yes, I'm so, hey, brought this up. I didn't really know this either. And I was trying to do

some research to kind of confirm it because according to like the Sun and, you know, the Daily Express or whatever, the tablets that just make things up, they have been cohabitating for 18 years and are about to get remarried. I don't know that they're about to get remarried, but it does seem like it's true that She has lived in the Royal Lodge in, like, separate but quarters, but still in the same house as Andrew. Yeah. Basically since they divorced? Yeah, they've basically been, like, very chummy since they divorced.

Which makes her, like, money troubles and, like, the kind of, and she's been rumored to, like, needing cash. That's why she did Weight Watchers. And then one of the reasons that Prince Philip hates her, or she was a Weight Watcher spoke person, I don't know if that's why she decided to do the diet. And then one of the reasons that Prince Philip hates her or, like, won't be near her. And it was such a big deal that they were adjacent to each other. in the official photo is because she was caught on a hot mic offering to sell access to him. The other reason is that she was caught letting some Texas millionaire suck her toes.

So we should just, yeah, we should get that out there. We're going to tell all the good Fergie stories. Yeah, an interesting thing about Fergie and also about Andrew, Andrew doesn't have any money of his own. He is like entirely dependent on the queen and since he has never really had any sort of real job, is just, it's only what the queen gives them, so they basically are not financially independent. And then I think Fergie has no, like, doesn't have, you know, family money or whatever.

And so then does Weight Watchers and all of this stuff. Right. But they have always been kind of like hard up and looking for bargains is my understanding. Love it. I love a good bargain shopping. But anyway, Fergie and Philip were standing next to each other in the photo, which everyone thought was a big deal.

Yeah. Well, I guess Philip was sitting and she was standing next to him, but they were close to each other. Also, another great fact is that it wasn't known until the day of if Philip would actually attend. Amazing. Could have been in the Camilla camp. Yeah. Hold on. I took that to mean that he wouldn't be able to.

My man is really old. Philip is old and he looks old. And he's lived a full life full of saying ridiculous things to a lot of people. But he's like almost, I think he's 98. Yeah, he's really old. Yeah. But I thought that was an excuse. He's 97. I'm sorry.

If he wanted to go or not. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he didn't. It seems like Eugenie is liked, though. Her parents are troubling, but she seems kind of just like bubbly and nice. And I even thought the interview that they did the night before, it was very unpolished in a charming way. She was just clearly, really excited about marrying this person.

That's nice. She's no Megan Markle. Yeah, so are we going to do it? Let's segue. Yeah, let's talk about Megan. I think that all of the Megan drama begins at the wedding. And, well, of course, there's more than that. But she wears this blue, Jevonchy, like, dress coat.

What's that called? I think dress coat is good. And it immediately stokes rumors that she could be pregnant because it looks like she's hiding something. And I just want to say, Megan, even though we did learn she is pregnant, did not need to hide anything. Like, that was completely unnecessary. It was to stoke rumors, in my opinion. Mm-hmm. I agree with you.

And so then it comes out on Monday, the wedding is on Friday, that Megan is pregnant, and they told the family at the wedding. This is kind of the ultimate party foul, in my opinion. This is really tacky. It's really bad. You know what? Let's explain exactly why it's bad, but first, let's talk about today's sponsor. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go where hiring is simple, fast, and smart, a place where growing businesses connect, qualified candidates. That place is ziprecruiter.com slash jam.

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upstaging someone's day. And I make fun of bridezillas all the time and, you know, weddings are their own nest of problems. But the basic idea of a wedding is that you're there to celebrate two people. And that's a nice thing. And if you're making it about you in any way, shape, or form, you're in the wrong. I feel this way about, you hear sometimes that people propose at other people's weddings, nutty. You can't propose or like share exciting news at someone's wedding, on someone's birthday at any sort of event that is about celebrating one person's, like, milestone. It's about that person. That's it. Those are the rules of polite society. Not even polite society, just being a decent human being. Right. It's just not called for. And also,

particularly when you're Megan Markle and, like, you, people already accuse you of, like, you know, being too polished or, like, wanting too much, like, wanting the attention too much. It's just a huge, it's just a really bad move. And also, they, Eugenie and Jack had to delay their wedding because of Harry and Megan's wedding at Windsor. Yeah. Let's also not let Harry off the hook here. Rude, he should know better. Absolutely.

Respect your cousin, man. Right. Also, you grew up with this person, I just think it's kind of selfish. And it's like, is this really the only opportunity that you're going to have to see your parents and your grandparents in person, even if they are the queen and the future king? Like, just drive to Buckingham House. It's not that far from where you live. It's quite close. It's really, really not that far.

I'm sure that you could get it in an audience. So this is also, can we just please learn from Harry and Megan. Don't do this in your own lives. Don't propose to someone else's wedding. It's not okay. The dress makes me more mad than anything else because it's stoked rumors that took attention away from her. Like it was almost like worse than wearing white. Yeah, I would agree with that.

I wondered whether that came from like self-consciousness and concern. And also, frankly, she just, she still is figuring out how to dress for this job. We've talked about this a lot. Yeah. The tailoring has been a little off. She's kind of trying, her personal style is not, like, one-to-one adaptable to, like, quote, what royals wear to royal engagements. So I'm willing to cut her a little bit of slack in terms of she doesn't really want to know. And I don't, I think if you don't want people to look at your, quote, unquote, baby bump and be asking questions, then you try to cover it up.

Also, it was like windy and blustery and she's from California. So maybe she was just cold. I'm willing to give. And also, she was wearing Javashi, who doesn't know how to tailor for her, as we learned on her wedding day. So frankly, maybe it's not all her fault. But I do think they didn't have to announce it. Because now that we're looking at the Australia photos on Monday, they left for like a two-week tour of Australia. And she's wearing clothes that she's not trying to hide the baby bomb, but she is not trying and she also doesn't have to because there is none.

Like, you really cannot tell yet. She looks great. The white shift dress that she wore loved it. But did you see that green, that kind of like olive green or military green, like pleaded long dress that she wore? That was my absolute favorite. I saw on the cut this morning. I was reviewing all of her outfits so far. She also wore a blazer from Serena Williams line. I did see that. And I saw that, I think, on Serena's Instagram, because Serena was very excited about it. Megan makes Serena's clothes look really good. No, that's a Serena. I think that she's beautiful. And by the way, babies are great. Congratulations to that. just don't be a dickhead about how you announce it. And I really don't think that they needed to announce it. Even for this tour, I think she could have gotten away without sharing it.

I guess then it's also like you would probably be nervous that someone's going to figure out so you want to let people know on your own terms. I understand why they announced on Monday, but still, it's unfair. Here's a theory. Yeah. What if she's a huge lush? And so everyone would have known if she wasn't drinking at the wedding. Is she a huge lush? I have no idea.

No clue. I feel like all I remember from the TIG is that she's like, avocados, make your day better. And I try to be like vegan during the week, which, you know what? I think that's very healthy and she looks great. So no judgment. You don't have to drink to be cool. But I don't really think that she's a huge lush.

Harry definitely is. Maybe he's not drinking with her or something. I don't know. I like to think, I'm making up excuses and rationalizing. But I hope that there's some kind of a good excuse for this. because, as you said, it's inexcusable. It's an unacceptable. It's an unacceptable behavior.

Can we also just talk about, so they said that she had passed her 12-week scan, and so I read, obviously, people have done the math on this. Mm-hmm. So I believe that she got pregnant pretty much instantly. Yes. Within, I think, a month. Which, I mean, good for them, but that's pretty unusual. It's quite fast.

They really are efficient and target-focused in this marriage, I guess. Blind gossip had a rumor that there was a certain famous woman who was getting married that had a very specific schedule she wanted to stick to. And this would fit that rumor. That's true.

Though when you're 37, nature doesn't always oblige. So, I mean, you know, maybe there are some other things at work, which is also great. It was very quick. They are really goal-oriented. One more note about them?

Yeah. At the wedding specifically. The Daily Mail made a lot of hay out of them like having a public row for the first time where like she was having a conversation with Zara Phillips who was sitting in front of her and then Harry interrupted and she like tended to him and gave an answer and then like turned back to the conversation. Yeah. And the Daily Mail made it seem like they had like that was like their first like public fight.

Right. And he did look nervous or like tense or something in that moment in a way that like I don't often see from Harry. And I thought it was like really interesting that like first, not surprising. but like interesting like that was like sort of the moment of them that was captured was them like looking less than like absolutely in love. And I also wonder if he was like nervous to tell his family or something. Do you think it's true that maybe, but maybe the family knew? I mean, Will and Kate must have known is my guess.

You would think so. Though I honestly, I have no idea how the relationships between those things work. You could you could tell me that they'd known from the beginning and that like, so apparently Megan and Harry are moving to a larger apartment and Kensington Palace with multiple bathrooms, which I'm so excited about. As you know, the one bathroom was my number one concern for the future of their marriage. But apparently it has a connecting door with where the apartments where William and Kate live so that they don't have to go outside in order to see each other. Which gives you the sense that maybe they do actually see each other. And you could convince

me that they text and run into each other a couple times a week like you would with a friend who lives nearby. You could also tell me that they do not speak except through their assistance for to arrange various arrangements and I would believe it, which is not a reflection on any of their particular personalities, but just how weird all the royal people are. Right. And how staffed they are and how they communicate. So it could go either way. I don't really know. I definitely think she was annoyed with him, though. I watched that clip and she was like, please stop talking. Yeah. I kind of liked it. I did too. I mean, I definitely related to it. And it was definitely a slice of their personalities.

Great stuff. I just believe we've had so much royal news for the last like six months. And I'm worried that like royal season is coming to an end. And I'm bummed about it. Well, they so have to have to have the baby. That's true. I don't know if you've been following the Australia tour. I somehow, I decided to follow both Kensington Palace and the royal family on Instagram. Well, I had to unfollow it. They were being really aggressive. Every time they meet a damn koala. It's like 10 pictures. One's good for me. That's just my note to the social media managers of Kensington Palace. One well-chosen koala photo. All I need. So I think you're going to be fine. Yeah, they really, they show a lot. But I just feel like we're coming off of Harry and Megan,

Prince Louis, Eugenie and Jack. And I don't know, it's just been such a high time for royal drama. I've been loving it. I'm sad. I don't want it to end. I, again, there's going to be a baby. and then I really don't mean to be morbid, but at some points of people are going to die. I'm really sorry. I'm going to miss her when she's gone. I will too. I recommend reading the Guardian article by Sam Knight about all of the preparations for the Queen's funeral if you haven't read it. It's fascinating. So I think Philip's going to die first, to be totally honest. Okay. I mean, he's older. Yeah. And he's had health problems. Right. So, you know, this cycle of royal life, it goes on and on. On and on it goes. And so do we.

Let's move on to one more topic. Okay. It's one that we haven't discussed that much, but I would like to. And that's Arana Grande, who's really having a horrible, horrible last year, basically. Yeah. Except she's got a great album. I mean, she's very professionally successful, and that's still the case. And I think she just had, like, a very difficult personal life.

As you have no doubt heard, she and Pete Davidson have ended their engagement. she returned the ring. The TMZ report made it sound amicable as if they just kind of realized that it was too much too soon. Do you believe that? I do. I think it seems like they really care about each other,

but like, I don't know, when your longtime boyfriend suddenly dies, like, of course you're not ready to get married. And like, of course you need to, like, reevaluate some things. And that's coming off of the horrible Manchester bombing last year. Of course, yeah. And I think that the relationship with,

Mac probably was complicated in ways we have no idea and a new album. She just has a lot going on. And I've only recently come to understand, like, how mega famous she is. It's pretty wild. She is absolutely the new Katie Perry. Like, she's a hugely, hugely, hugely popular pop star and very talented. The new album's great. What you say is right is that I think, obviously, the Mac Miller death, which was extremely

tragic, certainly affected her even though they were no longer together and you can't be in another relationship and there's too much going on. I don't know if you saw before they split, she was on Twitter. They were kind of perfectly normal expressions of fatigue and I can't and I'm tired. It's like how you and I, if we use Twitter more regularly, would be just like, I'm really over it or, you know, nothing alarming, but still there was kind of. of a trend that things were becoming overwhelming for her, which I'm sure they still are. Yeah. I mean, it's like so much. I really feel for her. The other thing I've just found remarkable in like the last year or so is aside from like press directly related to her

album, she really hasn't done very many interviews. And she definitely did talk about Sweetener and she went on like a press tour for that. But like kind of limited. And I think it just speaks to, we've discussed this before, like the nature of her celebrity is so based on her direct connection with her fans via her social media and her music. It's just like it's a, it's a type of celebrity that I am just, is like foreign to me. Yeah, it's really, it's unmediated. It's just her and lots of people who are interested in her. It's hard to pull off.

I think it takes, she's obviously a great pop star. She's really good at being famous, like donut gate aside. She has a certain quality, star quality that makes people want to follow her. and she seems to know how to maintain that phantom. I don't think anyone could do it. But it is certainly not how you and I relate to celebrities. Yeah. It's just been a while to watch.

I don't know. I just felt like we should touch on it. We don't need to dwell. No, I wish her well. I wish Pete Davidson well. Me too. Just to both of them. Yeah.

Let's move on to talking about some our favorite other topics. Real estate. Yes. Amanda, there's a house in the market that you want. Tell us all about it. So my dream house is for sale in Los Angeles. And it is currently owned by Leonardo DiCaprio, which is not, I would not have expected that Leonardo DiCaprio owns my dream house of all of the celebrities.

Wow. I'm happy that you found it. What about the house is so great? Well, it's just kind of what I want in house. So I should clarify, Leo bought this home. It's in Silver Lake, in the Silver Lake Hills. And he bought it 20 years ago, and he doesn't live in it anymore. a family has lived there for a long time.

Because it is very much a really rich person's first house, as opposed to like a giant movie stars mansion. It's four bedrooms. You know, it's pretty compact, though it has a pool. It was built in the 30s. It's a, you know, Spanish colonial style. Not particularly, it's really well maintained, but not updated, which I appreciate. So it's got all, you know, the nice old,

moldings and the wood beams and the tile in the kitchen and a pool and like the the doors with the arch shape it's just really charming it's in a beautiful location there's a covered patio and a pool i just you know i really it's it's 100% out of my price range but it's it's not that expensive or something that leonardiCaprio on exactly it's like two point one, right? No, it's listed at 1.7.5. Oh. Oh my God. Again. Again. Again. This is that's extremely expensive. And never in a million years will I be able to live in this house. But it's really beautiful. And I just, I don't know. I'm surprised. Leo owns my dream house. Who would have thought? It's pretty, it is special. You know, you have a bond with him that you never knew you could have. It's beautiful. Yeah. I guess so. It's just, I mean, he listens to MGMT on headphones as well. having sex. So I don't know. I didn't expect him to own my dream house. It's a real like California Hacienda style. Yeah. It's very, it's like classically California. Yeah. There's a lovely little courtyard with a fountain built in. I thought the pool was actually pretty lovely too. And I'm not a

huge pool person. I'll share the link. If anyone would like to have a bake sale with me in order to help me raise funds for this home, like please get in touch via Twitter or any other social media service that you see fit would love would love the support. Anyway, Congrats to Leo. Congrats to Leo and the future owner of that home. Yeah. Meanwhile, on the other coast, Mariska Haggerton and Peter Herman, who is on our favorite show younger. Yes.

Put their brown set up for sale for like $9 million, I think. And it's pretty nice. I like it. It is nice. It's more, there are a lot more style choices than I expected from them. But I kind of like some of them. They picked a look. They picked it for some bright colors, which I like.

I think there's not enough of that. It's like a feature wall kind of. Yeah. And it's kind of a contemporary modern style decoration. But it's interesting. I really do like the kitchen. The reason that they're moving is because it no longer meets their needs. And I'm just like, how can a huge home no longer meet your needs?

What are your needs then? I don't get it. There are at least two patios here. There seems to be a ground-level patio at the grill and a roof deck patio with some lovely loungers. It's on 84th between Central Park West and Columbus. Great area. I mean, what are their needs that are not being met is my main question. I don't really know.

It's great, though. Maybe you could have a big sale for this house. Oh, maybe. That's a good idea. Great. We all have our goals. I'll sell significantly more brownies, but that's fine. We can make it work.

Okay. Amanda, thanks for always being such a great co-pilot as we fly through the royal space. You're so welcome, Juliet. Thank you for letting me work through my tortured relationship with the correct pronunciation of Eugenie. I appreciate your support. All getting there. We're all getting there. Okay. Thanks, everyone. Thanks again to DipRecruiter and to Harper Collins. Don't forget to check out a very large expanse of sea. We'll be back in two weeks. Hey, it's Liz Kelly. One shiny podcast will be touring from Friday November 2nd to Wednesday, November 7th where Tate, Titus,

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