The Press Box - The Celebrity of It All: Cardi B vs. Nicki Minaj | Jam Session (Ep. 541)

Episode Date: November 1, 2018

The Ringer’s Amanda Dobbins and Juliet Litman are joined by Micah Peters to talk about the ongoing feud between Cardi B and Nicki Minaj (0:30). Then they talk about the British tv series ‘Bodyguard’ (16:35), their feelings toward Halloween (23:09), and introduce a new segment called "What’s Up on David Geffen’s Instagram" (30:55). Read Micah Peters on Cardi B vs. Nicki Minaj here. Watch Cardi B's Instagram story here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Julia Lippman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. We're going to talk about Game of Thrones. I know that's wild. We're going to talk about the stars of Game of Thrones. We really have no information about Game of Thrones itself. And if you're looking for that, you've stumbled onto the wrong podcast. We're going to get to that.

Some light Halloween discussion. It's probably not where you think it's headed. But first, we have to talk about the feud of the week. And that's the one between Cardi B and Nikki Minaj. And to do that, we have Micah Peters, the host of Anna Schaafel. Hi, Micah. Hello. How are you? I am doing just great. How are you? Wonderful. Thank you for coming on jam session. This is your first jam session appearance, I think.

This is my first jam session. You know what? I was talking to Mao the other day when I was talking about writing about the Cardi B. Nicky and Lash thing. And I was saying how much I felt like a gossip call on us because there was no rap involved. Yes. And she was just like, you're getting some jam session DNA into your music podcast. Here you are. Well, that's an interesting point. This is a feud that features to musicians, but, has largely just not been played out in music, which you pointed out in your very good piece, which people can read on The Ringer. And we should also say you also talked a bit about the music side of this feud on your podcast on Shuffle, which people should also listen to. But yeah, we're going to talk about celebrities. So please channel your gossip column.

Okay. I will do my best. Where would you like me to start? So should we do the broad strokes? Okay. So broad strokes, the most recent iteration of this was after Nakeyman Nage had her queen radio,

the 10th episode of her queen radio show on beats one and was talking about one, the quote unquote fight

that heard Cardi B had at the Harper's Bazaar icon party during New York fashion week. She was talking

about deals with different brands that who was offered first and who turned down and then who was supposed to be on

what industry remix and I would sent that reference track first like it's just very much like you are You're in my seat at the table kind of stuff.

Which is kind of, that had been simmering for, what, six months a year, basically since Cardi hit number one. They were whispers of it since Cardi hit number one with Bodak Yellow. And then it really picked up after they were both on motorsport because, you know, like there was all that drama that was going on with who laid their verse and who changed what. Right. And then it was obvious that Nikki was not on the video shoot at the same time. Yeah. party. So anyway, basically to fast forward, they have been at odds with each other just because there is this forced false narrative that there can only be one female rap star. And this is pretty

familiar to, I guess, anyone who has ever been the only person of their kind in any industry or field, whatever, this narrative always seems to tread lightly. Yeah, no, I know. But it's certainly always a thing in any sort of feminist, you know, whatever. It's There can only be one woman and then there's, and women do start infighting with each other. And it does seem like they're both leaning into it a little bit and have been. Yeah, it's good for both of them. Yeah. I'm not talking about Nikki Minaj if it's not because of this fight.

Right. Also, like, she's at so much bad press for, like, the last, like, 18 months to two years, right? Like, nothing good. She could really use any sort of win. But she's not, do you consider, is this a win for her other than the fact you're talking about her? I mean, I honestly can't call it a win, even calling it. get a beef is a stretch. Like, it's like, it's just like all this noise.

It's just drama for drama's sake. Sure. And obviously Cardi B is better at that because she's from reality. Yeah. Yeah. So let's fast forward. If a woman had beef with me, she's going to have beef with me forever. Yeah.

So let's hit this week. Nikki goes on her radio show because, I mean, what is, why did she do it this week? Because she had nothing else to say? No. So last week. Cardi B's sister, Hennessy, Carolina, tweeted. Oh, right. She was just like, Nikki leaked all our phone numbers after the Harper's Bazaar party,

and we got all of these hateful text messages from the Barbes, which, I mean, you know, in those 10 Instagram videos, which you should watch, I'm pretty sure they're still up, she scrolls through the text messages, and there's like scores, hundreds of them. Right. So after this, Nikki goes on Queen Radio. and just starts talking. She goes through basically every single complaint that she has against Cardi.

All of them. All of them. And then Cardi takes to Instagram, which is just, that's kind of when you know you've lost, is when Cardi takes to Instagram because the videos, I think they've been deleted, but we found them on YouTube and we'll link to them, are transcendent. The No Limit record, which they presented to you first, and you didn't like the record, you didn't believe in the record. Nobody actually believe in the record.

Me and G.E. Every single time that they climb up the charts, we was extremely excited. And you barked at your management because they gave me the record. And that's fucking facts. It's really remarkable. I mean, the thing is that you immediately, this is a couple of hours later and you start seeing like the screenshot of like Cardi's grid pop up on Instagram. And it looks like that Andy Warhol, like Marilyn Monroe, like, grip.

It's true. She's already been mean within hours. And then, like, you open all of them and it's just hot fire for, like, 10 minutes. Which makes sense, right? Because she is of Instagram. As you pointed out in your piece, it's how she was, how she became famous. And she's so good at it. Yeah.

And it just doesn't even, I mean, I don't know what else Nikki can do, but use the pulpit that she has. But when it's Queen Radio versus Cardi on Instagram, we know who's winning every time. I was wondering if her arm got tired. And I was thinking, if I were a Cardi B, I would have invested in a selfie stick like a long time ago. Or like set up some kind of space in my home specifically for doing like my own like Instagram interviews. Like I actually don't know why she hasn't done that. Like just make your home into a set. It's true.

But part of the appeal is the fact that she's just, it felt like she was just sitting around in the liver watching TV with like with her girls or whatever. And then like heard who is this talking all this noise on the, you know what? let me just get on Instagram real quick, and that's exactly what it was. I mean, Nikki's radio show is as all, like, it's the same, like, kind of entertainment value as Joe Bud's podcast. It's just like, she's very good at being a rap radio host, like being a radio personality. Like the bombs, the music transitions, like the sound bites. It's all just like such good entertainment. but at the same time, if somebody can just come and wipe it all off the board with a couple of selfie videos.

That's true. I have a technical question per your video setup. Sure. Because she's going from selfie video to then using the phone to show various screenshots. Right? Like she's going up to be like, Nikki, I called you twice. And then goes through the phone in order to find, yes, to October 22nd. She's using, like she's pulling up the call.

log that she took a screenshot of, which is just by the way, like, just the native understanding of the receipts and the evidence and all of this stuff is transcendent. But so is she, is there a third person film? Is there a second person filming? There's got to be right. Yeah. Okay. It wasn't just a screen recording. Yeah. If it was, it would have looked different and been no sound. Right. That's true. Because you can see her flipping through it with the knuckle because the nail is so large, which is really impressive. But I did note that that I don't have that kind of skill. One thing with celebrities is the ones who are parents, like there's just an assumption that there are nannies around that you don't get to see in the pictures. They're always like just out of frame.

With celebrities, I think that it's with Drake a lot. Like how often are they by themselves, like actually alone, which is like probably such a small amount of time. I can't possibly comprehend it. But I think there's just like always another person around, a handler or something, like, whatever it is. Because part of wanting to be famous is also like wanting that attention and like wanting like to have other presence in your life or whatever. It's very true. There's, like, part of, I think, to your point, like, Cardi's done a really good job at scaling up while seeming authentic and, like, inaccessible. But there's just so many people in her life and the Instagram that she posted of the diesel proposal for the, which is, I guess, a point of contention.

It's, like, a great testament to just sort of how, like, she's, like, the best, purest Instagram star because she's turning, like, her persona into just, like, into dollars in a way that, you just wouldn't assume because she seems so. authentic. Yeah. Can we talk about the diesel stuff for a minute? Because, you know, in addition to it being a point of contention with Nikki, I believe it's that Cardi says that a diesel deal that Nikki eventually accepted was offered to her first. But she shares the term sheet, which is fascinating. And so you get to see, you know, and this happens all the time. This is how all social media endorsement works. And this is essentially just how all brand endorsement works. But you can actually see the terms of the how it's offered, what she has to do in order to get 750K. Though please note in the original email that they are low-balling her, they say that the price,

they're willing to go up on the price, which is good because Juliet and I both think that 750K is too low for this. It's for the terms of it are such. Yeah, this is fascinating celebrity dirt. It is really good. All right. So the terms of it, thanks to Baller Alert for capturing this, I've been a baller alert fan for quite some time.

Ball or written shade room. We're working overtime this week. So it's an Instagram deal that is 4 to 6 social posts on the talent Instagram for Instagram Instagram stories promoting the design journey, product reveal, which has a typo, an on-site appearance. And the idea is that she would be helping to design a capsule collection that's six to eight pieces of unisex clothing, hoodies, long sleeves, short sleep teas, sweatshirts, sweat, pants, and jackets.

It's an ath leisure situation. Sure. And then it also included like one appearance, basically. So it's like a four-day's work, I believe. And that includes some appearances, giving her name to it, and the aforementioned social media posts. And for that, she was being offered $750,000. Yes.

That seems extremely low. That's true. That we should note, designing in this case, let's... Is mostly putting your name on the thing? It's saying yes or no, or I like that, or maybe I don't. I don't like that. I actually wonder if you even get that much of a say. Yeah. I think it depends on how famous you are and how much leverage you have. But yeah, it's it's not the hard work of actually conceptualizing and drawing and designing a capsule collection. Yeah, I mean, she has to do very little work, but she, she, they probably don't want her to do much work, to be honest. They're just like, we're making this, let's put your name on it. But still, this is way too low. I think her from Instagram following is a little low, to be honest. It's $35 million, which is great, obviously.

But I think is like a little bit low. Argona Grande has like $125 million. And it's lower than Nikki's, as Micah pointed out in his piece. So I suspect that Nikki definitely got more than $750K for this. And I suspect she will let us know that at some time in the future. Show us the term she, girl. Like she probably won't because she's not savvy enough. But I do think at a moment when she needs some sort of press or some boost, she will reveal how much she was paid.

Yeah, it's good that you bring up that point, though, that she's not, like, exactly savvy enough because it's, like we were saying before, I mean, this is just not her. This isn't her battlefield. Yeah, it's not her thing. And I guess I don't know, would it be smart for Nikki to do that? Because at this point, she is, she's more famous. She does have a longer career, I think, in actual, like, money and record terms. She is still more successful. And she's guarding her throne, which is never really the position you want to be in.

You know, it's like once you've reached the top, then all there is to go is down, which is kind of where she is. But I don't know whether it's the right look for the established person to start revealing all of the numbers. Once you have to defend yourself that intensely, you've already lost. Yeah, I mean, like it's the king who is actually the king doesn't have to say that they're the king. Yes. Yeah. And that's kind of been the problem with this whole. thing is that she is already leaning too far into it.

She's peeping down, yeah. Yeah. Because she's got nothing else to do. It's just the fact that like her, she only shows vulnerability like in strategic ways. And like her thing is about, you know, like respect and being like, you know, like her album releases are supposed to be like coronations. And if like anybody comes along, it's just like, yeah, we don't really care about this. Like, and you take it personally. Yeah.

I mean, then everybody looks bad on the defensive. It's very true. I actually don't mind. I think being strategic about vulnerability is good. Well, yeah. But the problem is that she hasn't had anything to back it up for a very long time. And so now we're on Queen Radio, just yelling about a fight at a fashion party. The best part of this was, I don't know if you guys saw Naomi Campbell was on Watch What Happens Live.

and was asked about it. And the first thing she said was, well, there were no actual icons at that party, including me. So I don't, yeah, which I was just like, I can't stop thinking about it. She's been in the cut liking all of the Instagram posts, by the way.

No, I know. But she was just kind of, given the most important party of the night and then they got into a fight. At that point, you're not really defending your throne anymore. You're kind of like clawing back for it, which is, I guess,

the real problem here. Yeah. Yeah. It does feel like it's just really emblematic of like schisms across entertainment of like of old and new. Nikki will probably still like do well when she does put music out again and like she's like an important feature for Ariana Grande and all that. But like Cardi B is like the online celebrity basically and it's just like it's so much like new and old and it like feels like a tidy emblem of so many sort of like conflicts with entertainment at the moment. Yeah, it's a good point. And you don't actually. see them battling so aggressively that often, normally it's just kind of two separate tracks, right? And you're kind of a person who likes whatever big pop star or likes the established thing,

which like no shots to establish things. I enjoy many of them. We all here enjoy both forms of entertainment, like big budget established entertainment and then, you know, people who are just throwing elbows on Instagram. But you rarely see them come together. You rarely see one cross over to the other, which I think both sides are maybe, I don't know, Cardi is maybe not having that much trouble crossing over into more mainstream success. She's maybe one of the only people you can point to. I don't know. I don't want to make large, pretty, sure, yeah. Yeah, but I don't want to make large pronunciations about, like, the music industry. But I mean, like, if authenticity gets commodified, then, I mean, like, it's just you can survive in the mainstream because people,

people want that from you. It's true. Thanks so much for breaking the sound, Thas Micah. You are quite welcome. We're going to talk more about celebrity news, but first let's hear about what's going on at the ringer this week. Hey guys, Liz Kelly here.

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break down the latest industry trends, and review new films with other ringer colleagues like Shea Serrano, Amanda Dobbins, and Bill Simmons. Make sure you listen and subscribe to the big picture on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, that was a really deep talk for us. Let's talk about some more trivial things. Like, what's up with the stars of Game of Thrones?

And the reason we want to discuss it is because we're both watching Bodyguard, the British show that landed on Netflix. That's true. It's unusual for some. some Game of Thrones content on this show. We do love it. Yeah, we enjoy it. It's just like there are many other places, including binge mode, where you can find all of that.

Totally. Much more informed. Can I tell you a secret? Yeah. I was recently thinking about this because of Bodyguard. Yeah. I don't miss Game of Thrones. What?

I don't, like, I know that, like, that 12 hours of it is coming in 2019 and, like, I'll enjoy it. But I'm not, like, lusting for Game of Thrones. I kind of, I'm like, I'm now lusting for more Richard Madden. Okay. But I'm not really lusting for. for more Game of Thrones. Well, here's what I like about Game of Thrones. I was thinking about this this morning.

Stuff happens on Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones has plot. And you know what else has plot? Bodyguard. Bodyguard. So much plot. So I have only seen two episodes of this show. Here's, we should explain.

Bodyguard is a British thriller. Terrorism thriller. Terrorism thriller, which sounds like a downer. Kind of a take on that as well. I'm an extremely popular show in the UK. I think it's like the biggest hit since Staten Abbey. I think it's the second most watch. thing this year in the UK after the World Cup. To quote my friend Talia, who currently lives in the

UK, she said people went nuts over the finale. Yeah. Not like what happened to it, just the fact that like it happened at all. So it was good though. It is recently showed up on Netflix for those of you who live in the United States or elsewhere. And Julia watched all of it in a weekend. Yes, I did. And basically like pretty much one day. It was like a night a day. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Gaya. Yes. That's great. So everyone else here, I had to travel this weekend, so I have only seen the first two episodes. And the things that you want to happen on Bodyguard have been really quickly within a couple episodes. It moves along quite quickly. I think this is a spoiler for you.

I don't think you'll mind. But there's just an incredibly gratuitous, bare-ass shot of Richard Madden. Great. That's just like, I'm just like, why is this in here? Like, this wasn't necessary. And then, like, he quickly changes. But it's just, it's a lot of Richard Madden. And I have missed Rob Stark.

I always loved him. And so I'm so glad he's back. And also it's just like his Scottish brogue is so strong. It's fantastic. It's really charming. He's very handsome. I have a really like maudlin comment, but I feel it's essential to share it with you. Okay.

Wonderful. So it's like a terrorism thriller. There's a bomb plot in episode one that then it continues throughout the show. I found it to be like a weird relief to be thinking about terrorism. I was like, these are problems that I'm familiar. familiar with from like many years ago, unlike the like current like Brexit problem that I think about all the time or like, what's going to happen on November 6th? It was, it's such like a straight down the middle thriller that even though it's about like a suicide bomber in episode one, I was like,

well, this is great. Let's go. Yeah. I see what you're saying, which is that we. It's so familiar. It's familiar. There are structures in place. Like, you know, the rest of the show becomes about the secretary of home defense. Is that what they? call it? Yeah, the home secretary. Home secretary in the UK. And there are just procedures and things that happen. It's basically a procedural. Right. The politics on the show, not its best, not the best part of it, even though they're like trying to interrogate the war in Afghanistan and kind of how people make these decisions. I wouldn't say that like a thoughtful critique of political systems is this show's number one priority. No. It's number one priority is making its cast seem dope.

successful at that. So it's a great look for Richard Madden. He has been rumored to, you know, they're always like who's going to be the next James Bond. It's like literally the only thing that the British media writes about on a Monday because nothing happens over the weekend and they're like, and we've got another James Bond candidate. I don't know if he'll be James Bond, but it is a testament to this performance that he's suddenly in the conversation because he would not have been six months ago. I really hope he gets more work as a result of this.

I think he will. He's great. I mean, he just has to as a result of the fact that it's really, really successful. Yeah, and he also, he straight up carries the show. Yes. Well, hold on. Respect to Keeley Haas. And Keeley Haas, the wonderful Mrs. Dorell of the Dorelles in Corfu.

Yes. And the wife of a watch guest, Matthew McFadden. Yes, quite a year for them on television. They're really doing well, the two of them. It is really impressive. Also, Amanda and I were excited because the paralyzed friend from Notting Hills on this show. Yes. was thrilled about. I don't know her name, but it doesn't really matter to me because she's the paralyzed

friend from Noticill. And yeah, it's just like really like the type of show I needed. I, I, the first episode I was like kind of into, I wasn't completely sold, but then I soldiered on, pun intended. Oh, boy. And then I loved it. And I was like, well, this is great. This is like, it's weird to say, but it was like fun. It kind of reminded me of like season one, season two of Homeland. And also Game of Thrones, Because stuff happens. Yeah, stuff happens. Plot happens. Keeps on moving.

Make things happen on your TV shows, and I will watch them. On that note, by the way, I started last night I couldn't sleep. So I started watching the BBC adaptation of Lancaster, I mean of Capital by John Lancaster. Okay. Also very good. I recommend that time. That's it.

Extreme Julia, I recommendation. And it's just, I just really miss Rob Stark. I'm so happy he's back. Let's talk about a recent celebrity siting that you had. Yeah. On Friday, I was in Beverly Hills. Yeah. I was walking down the street, going to.

Calum Coffee on Little Santa Monica, and I walked past Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner. It was extremely exciting. It looked like they had just had a fight and that they were like, and he had like, oh, there's the restaurant. Like he like pointed at it. And I just assumed they had a hangar fight where they just were like getting lost. One was really hungry. It just seemed like a classic couple situation, which I found really endearing. And not just like that they actually hate being together except for when there are cameras around. Yeah. There were no cameras. There was no cameras at all. They were a big presence at the U.S. Open this year. Oh, yeah.

At the tennis U.S. Open. I don't watch the other kind. And we're really into it and also quite demonstrative physically. Yes, they seem quite into each other. Yeah. Also, over the weekend, they had quite a presence because he dressed as Sansa Star for Halloween. That's pretty good. I liked it.

That's cool. This is, should we do this really quickly? Sure. Why not? We are recording this on Halloween. Yeah. And we nixed our lovely producing. Sorkaya's suggestions to do a Halloween segment because we are Joy Kills who don't like Halloween.

This is an anti-Hallowing podcast. I hate it. We will not be talking about any celebrity Halloween costumes. Where do you stand on like a couple's Halloween concept? I've just never seen one that doesn't make me want to barf. That doesn't seem performative. Sure. This is, I don't know.

This is the really ugly side of me. Amanda, what's honest is not ugly. I just don't like costumes. I don't know. It's not how I move in the world. You know what it is. You know, I don't like super over the top performative things in general. So I think that's part of it. I did once have to go to a, I feel like I've told this story before. Yeah, tell it. Right? I feel like people on Jam Session who listened to it, I've told this story before. But like one time my friend had started dating this chick and like we didn't like her, but we still wanted to support him. So we went. to her dumb Halloween party and felt like we had to try it a little bit. So my husband and I went as Ina and Jeffrey. Amazing. Which just meant that I wore a denim shirt and he wore a button down and I carried a wooden spoon. And when people, people were like- Did he carry a baguette? Because I feel like Jeffrey's always out getting bread and wine. He carried nothing. And then all these lame-ass people at the party were like, what are you? And I was like, oh, I'm in a garden. And then I just like got blank

stairs. So you won. I don't know. I felt like a, I, I felt like a, I. I felt like I was denying my own principles by even participated. Sure. And then I felt like it didn't work. I still felt judged by these people that I thought were lame and didn't want to spend time with. I've never been interested in wearing a costume, like literally, like since I was seven years old. I can't remember time, but I was interested in that. Unless it's like dress up like a French person and wear stripes, then I'm like, okay, I could do that. I will be honest, like a wedding dress is a costume. And that was a nightmare for me. That was, I was so uncomfortable. I didn't want the whole thing.

Bridesmaid's dresses, don't get it at all. I'm just trying to be myself. Isn't it a struggle enough to be yourself every damn day? Yes, it definitely is. Just to share who you are, feel comfortable. Like that's, I'm just trying to do that. And I'm doing the best that I can, and I don't know why I need to be somebody else, especially if it involves like spandex or like makeup or whatever.

I completely feel the same way. I'm not interested in wearing a costume. It makes me uncomfortable, and I just want no part of it. I can't wait for tomorrow. It would be November 1st and we're past this. Here's the thing, though. Here's what I want to say. If you take joy in Halloween and you dressed as something this weekend and you were proud of it or it brought you joy or you had a nice time, I support that for you.

I don't need to hear about it or see a picture, but I'm really glad it happened for you. Seriously. No, that's great. Do your own thing. Be you. Just don't go trick or treating as an adult. Because this is the other thing. Kaya, our producer, was like, where do you stand?

on trick-or-treating for adults. And I was like, that's a common sense, no, Gaya. That's not even a controversial position. Once you are an adult, you do not get to knock on other people's doors and ask for candy. I think that for both of us, all of our feelings are really exacerbated by the fact that L.A. goes so hard for like a week with Halloween. And I'm just like all these adults who just go like so ham, it makes me want to barf.

I mean, Instagram was like this too. I've been seeing people's costumes for like two weeks now. It's really rough. Kyle Richards from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Her daughter's named Farah, and I guess her birthday was like, is today or something. So they had a bit, and she turned 30, so they had a really big Farah Halloween party on Saturday night at the Umanski Richards home, which is an Ancino. Did you see any pictures of this? No, I didn't.

Believe it or not. So Kyle has four daughters. It's Kyle, her four daughters in Mauricio, that's their family. Kyle, who is an adult mom of four, like just an adult in the world, dressed as a four. Playboy Bunny and her husband dressed as Hugh Heffner at a family party. And I don't know if this is like beyond judgmental, but I find this so appalling and objectionable. And it wasn't like a like a, I'm going to wear a bunny ears. And then like we're, like, we're an adult outfit. Like she was wearing like a very racy playboy bunny look, which is like I'm amazing if you feel so great about

your body and like you're just feeling really confident. That's really cool. But I just think it is a completely unacceptable for adults' parents to do that at a family party. I'm so sorry. But I tell me if I'm wrong. But I just think it's totally ridiculous. I don't ever want to see any parents or friends of parents of mine in that situation. And I would not be comfortable for them seeing me in that situation. Sharing is good to a point. That's too much sharing. You got to cruise through Kyle's Instagram out for this. It's so, all of you listening, It's like honestly appalling. I can't believe that this is like adult behavior.

I find it just like shocking and makes me want to like exit the universe. Can I segue to another form of Instagram behavior? Yes. Not Halloween related, but Game of Thrones related. Oh, great. Okay. So apparently Amelia Clark is dating someone new. Charlie McDowell.

Oh. Yeah. Cool. Rooney Mara's ex. Yes. And previous big picture guest. Oh, right. Anyway.

Sound of Mollard. Malcolm, right? Yes. Yes. Cool. So the reason that we know that they're dating is because they both posted the same photograph to Instagram on her birthday. And it's like a picture of their shadows on the beach. And she is just talking about what a special birthday it was.

And he is just like happy birthday E. Which sure, that's nice. I don't know. That just seems like weird Instagram behavior. You got to vary it up. Isn't that what they teach you Instagram 101? I completely agree. I get, first of all, get like a different picture.

And I don't know. That's just, that's gosh to me. I don't care for it. It's not how I would do it. I think Amelia Clark seems supremely unique. I don't know what, I don't know what unique is supposed to mean in that context. I was just to say weird. It just seemed mean.

I don't know. She's just been like famous for being hot for so long. That's true. And she's just like famous for like being naked on this one show. And I just feel like that must be like a weird way to be in the world. I think that's true. I thought she was the only good part of solo, the Han Solo movie, which is never... You know, I didn't see it in a man.

You know, not a reference I ever thought I would make on this podcast or really say out loud, but here we are. She's a huge, massive disappointment in me before you, but I'm not sure that's her fault. I just, I don't know. It's not how I imagine Lou Clark being. Yeah, I don't know. After Mother of Dragons, I don't know what you do. That's definitely you're a mother of giants for the rest of your life, which, frankly, you can describe me as. the mother of dragons for the rest of my life, and I am not even, like, a huge Game

and Thrones fan. That's not bad as far as these things go. I think that one of the legacies of Peak TV will be all of these, like, equivalent, like, one-hit wonders, like, one-roll wonder. Like, you kind of, like, can't escape it because it's such, like, a deep cultural reference. Yeah. I also get, if you're her wanting to date, like, a show kid, like, his parents are Malcolm McDowell and Mary Scene Virgin. Yes. And so he's been in, like, this world for so long. I get for her why she would, like, want to date someone like that. It makes sense for me, too. I wish them well.

Me too. Seen like nice people. I think I just want to adjust their Instagram strat. It's not even bad. It's not like dressing like a Playboy bunny in front of your kids bad. Right. That's, it's just like let's take it up a level. Sure.

Let's elevate. Yeah, let's elevate everyone. I have one last segment. Please. Instagram related. It's a new segment called What's up on David Geffin's Instagram. That's just wonderful. What a great way to end this podcast.

As close listeners of Jam session will know, basically, David Geffin's Instagram is kind of where all celebrities come together. It was the... It's our Bible

is what you're saying. It's documented yacht season for us and now it is documenting the surprise wedding of Carly Klaus and which Kushner.

Josh. Carly Klaus and Josh Kushner. I almost said Jared but I didn't which is good. Ivanka and Jared and their kids.

They were there. We are going to not discuss it. We'll leave that. Sure. We're going to leave it. So apparently Carly Klaus

got married on a Thursday. She did. Upstate. It really just is a tremendous flex to get married in the middle of the week. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And it's like clearly not to save money, which some do. No, which is just just so that you can get married in the middle of the woods and no one will bug you. Yeah. And yeah, exactly. Just on your own terms. To their credit, we didn't find out until she herself posted a picture from the wedding on Instagram. We've only seen one picture of her and her dress, the one she shared, right? Yes. Love for as far as I can tell. Very beautiful. Yeah. Carly Clauss is a model. in case you hadn't heard. Thanks to Kate Middleton for making lace sleeves cool again. Yeah. They looked really nice on her. They did look really nice.

But anyway, among the attendees were David Geffen, who posted a selfie with Derek Blasberg, Scoter Braun, and Dashizucova, the model. So David Geffen is just where all the secret celebrity happenings are. He's the nexus of everything that we care about. He is also our best reporter from the front lines. Like the only way that we know any of this stuff is happening with true A-list celebrities is because David Geffin's putting it on Instagram, just taking selfies. What list do you put Scooter on? What I, you mean like A-list, B-list, D-list?

Oh, brother. Because he's, to your previous comment, he's really infiltrated the A-list. Like, is he himself a list? I don't think so just because his fame and success is predicated on other people. Mm-hmm. And, I mean, that's also true. of David Geffen, but we wouldn't call David Geffen an A-List celebrity. We would call him a A-Lis mogul or an A-List, you know, just an A-List rich guy.

Sure. Just a true A-List rich guy. Yeah. And so I guess I would put Scooter in... David Geffin in training? Well, I put him in the, yeah, the rich guy list as opposed to the celebrity list. Josh Kushner also on that list. Yeah.

And then... It's like an A-list adjacent, right, basically. But then the interesting thing about that is with the exception of David Geffen, who is kind of breaking all social norms here and just like posting a lot on Instagram about what he's doing, on the rich guy list, the higher up on the list you are, the less visible you are. Yes, absolutely. Because then like privacy and secrecy becomes the real currency. Yeah. So the fact that we know a lot about Scooter means that he is, well, I guess you're right, David Geffin in training. Yeah.

I think he wants to be that too. Sure. I don't think he's there yet. No, I don't think so either. Yeah, because I'm not checking his Instagram for news on supermodel weddings. I follow him. Yeah, okay. As off discussed on this podcast. He doesn't yet have a segment on jam session, but maybe one day.

Maybe one day. Did we know before the wedding announcement that Carly Clause had converted to Judaism? We did not know. Because she did in July. Yeah, crucial note. That we assumed because Ivanka did the same. Yeah. I just love when that happens.

It's always noteworthy to me. Laura Dern. Charlotte on Sex and the City. Yes. Avant God now, Carly. Yeah. What a legacy. What a legacy indeed.

We'll be following this David Geffin's account very closely. Indefinitely. I'm already like looking forward to yacht season, you know? It's like nine months away. The thing about yacht season is that it doesn't have to stay in the summer. It's true. So Grand Cayman. Stay tuned.

Seychelles, Maldives. We will be watching the yacht reports and we will let you know. We are committed to year-round yacht watching. Thanks so much for listening. Have a happy Halloween if you care about that. And if not, see you in November. It's a great month.