The Press Box - ‘To All The Boys I’ve Loved Before’ Creates a Rom-com Star and Dissecting the Elon Musk–Grimes–Azealia Banks Saga | Jam Session (Ep. 515)

Episode Date: August 22, 2018

The Ringer’s Juliet Litman is joined by Kate Halliwell to talk about the Netflix movie ‘To All The Boys I’ve Loved Before’ (1:00) and the breakout star of the movie, Noah Centineo (10:12). Then Alyssa Bereznak comes on to talk about Elon Musk’s relationship with the singer Grimes (17:39) and Azealia Banks’s weird weekend at Musk’s house (23:32). Read Kate Halliwell's article 'The Romantic Comedy Guide to Having a Fake Relationship' here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're going to get into today's jam session, but first, let's talk about what's happening at the ringer. We're going to talk about one article with Kate Hallowell about the movie to all the boys I've loved before. And Kate wrote about how to perfectly execute the fake romance in a rom-com. Check it out. It's vital reading. I'm sure you're going to want to read it after listening to this podcast. And while you're at it, we have so much football content because football is coming. Check out all of our NFL preview content from our great writers, including Kevin Clark, Robert Mays, Danny Kelly, Danny Hyfitz. Riley McAtee and really many more.

It's a group effort here at The Ringer. So check it out. The Ringer.com. And now it's time for jam session. Welcome to Jam session. Just the J. Know the AM this week. Amanda's on vacation.

Somehow we'll soldier on. It will be tough. I didn't know what to do for a while. But somehow, some way, we will podcast. I'm Juliet Lippman. In case you didn't mention that. And we are going to talk about Elon Musk and Grimes

and Azalea Banks, which is the whole kerfuffle. I don't really understand. but luckily my colleague Alyssa Bresnack does, so she will be joining me shortly. But first of Kate Hallowell here, was an editorial assistant at The Ringer, and today wrote about the delightful darling Netflix movie

called To All the Boys at Love Before. Hi, Kate. Hello. Did you like the movie? I love the movie. How many times have you watched it? I've watched it three times now. Three.

Once for work. I watched it one time, like almost immediately upon availability, though. And I was like, oh, yeah, I would definitely watch this again, but I haven't yet. What was the best viewing experience? I think the first time.

And then, I mean, I just want to say for the record that the ringer's own Liz Kelly watched it three times over the opening weekend. She did? Yeah. So just in case we're lining up the crazies here, I'm not at the top. I'm glad you brought up Liz because Liz is among the group of people that I follow on Instagram that I noticed also followed Noah Centineo because I watched the movie and then I was like researching everyone in it. Of course. And I went to Noah Centenio. Instagram account and no one I knew was following him, I think. Maybe Liz was. I don't think so, though. I'm pretty sure it was a zero. And then I checked back several other times throughout the weekend as like a social experiment and I'm now up to five friends who follow him, which is a lot from zero to five. It was a journey this weekend. Like I didn't know who he was before Friday. So you didn't know. So he's not like Matt super famous. He has a lot of Instagram followers. Like I'd seen like Camilla Cabello's Havana video, which he's in. Oh, he is? Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't connect those two until after I saw this movie.

Oh, interesting. He's on the Fosters, never watched that. Me neither. So he just came from nowhere. He has so many followers, though. He has, I'm going to tell you, as of recording, he has... Is it like 3 million or something? Yes, he has 3 million followers.

And I think that went up a lot since I... Oh, I believe it. Like, I think it went up by like a factor of a million or something. And then he has another Netflix movie coming. Sierra Burgess is a loser. I don't know anything about that, do you? I just watched the trailer yesterday. It's like a Sierra Node Berger act thing where, like, she and a popular girl team up to, like, woo him.

Like catfish him basically. He's like the new leading Netflix rom-com man. Yes. How do you feel about that? I'm into it right now. I think he's a good actor. Yeah. Because if you watch his Instagram videos.

It's just him? Very different guy. Yeah. Which I was kind of like not into. Like when I first watched the movie and then I opened his Instagram, I was like, oh, this is not Peter Kivinsky. I felt the same way. It was a little disappointing. I'm just relieved he's in his 20s for me.

I think that was a common reaction. A lot of Googling. Sansemano age. I was very concerned he was going to be like 17 or 18. Yeah. But I think he's 22. Yeah, he's 22, which is younger than I actually thought he would be. Oh, really?

I thought he looked a little older. I was like, you could tell me he's 26 or 16, and I would believe it. That's true. Well, he's, like, basically my age. So, like, maybe I'm, I was expecting him to be, like, 25. Okay. He is really adorable. Yeah.

Dare I say he's the best part of the movie? I think he's the best part of the movie. I think it's tough. He has good stuff to work with, you know? We should explain what the movie's about. Do you want to explain it? So, To All the Boys I Love Before is based on a Young Adult book by Jenny Hahn. Have you read it?

I started it, and I hate to say this. It was, like, slightly juvenile for me. And I like Young Adult Fiction. That's fine. Yeah. I actually think the sort of, like, mass marketing, mainstreaming of young adult fiction is kind of weird. Like, it's easier to read and get through because it was marketed at young adults. It's like people who are 13.

Yeah. And I kind of, I actually, I mean, whatever, this is a snobby take. but I actually think it's a little bit weird for like the kind of like YAA chicklet like mainstreaming phenomenon. Like that's like very like infantilizing of adults. Yeah, I agree with that partially. I like still read some YA because I think some of it is like accessible to everyone, which is why I tried this before the movie came out. And I just like I was like, I'll just wait for the movie.

Like it just was like a little bit, a little bit too like juvenile for my taste. I couldn't get through the Hunger Games book either. Like I tried because I was like heard these are good. I just couldn't do it. But I also have a very specific sense of interest in reading, whatever. So whatever. Okay, so it's based on this book. Keep going.

And this girl named Larra Jean Songovey, an iconic name, first of all. Really good. Yeah, great. She gets these, like, just intense crushes on these boys as she's growing up. And so she writes these love letters and then hides them away in her closet to get over her crush. And so, of course, the love letters get out. And she starts, like, fake dating the popular guy at school to avoid a confrontation with. her sister's ex-boyfriend who she wrote a love letter to.

I immediately liked it because the writing of the letters thing is I'm not a letter writer, but I have a lot of time for my early 20s standing in the corner of a bar, very angry about a boy or like a guy on the other side of the bar who I was like really mad at but don't want to talk to and then I'd like type it into my phone and like email it to myself. I absolutely related to that too. Yeah, I actually think that's like a good rom-com trope that hasn't really been out there before. Yeah. It's like targeted like diary writing.

Yeah. You just got to get the feelings out and you're just like angry writing to him, but like you never wanted to see it. Yeah. I get that. Totally. I actually think, and then you wrote today about like the tropes of a fake relationship. And I actually think the letter writing thing is an underused trope in rom-coms, which is

surprising because so many of the lead women are usually writers or like, or like work in journalism or media or something, which I also find offensive as a woman who works in journalism and media. It's true. Yeah. No, I also thought, like, it sounds very far-fetched when I'm just, like, giving the basic plot summary. Sure. But I thought, like, as these movies go, it was, like, kind of, like, you could kind of see it happening.

Yeah. Like, it was, it wasn't that far-fetched or, like, so beat to me. No. What does you, so the way the letters get mailed is because her little sister mails them, which they, which they acknowledge, like, very early on, basically with, like, one camera shot, which I enjoyed. Like, like, that's not a mystery worth maintaining, really. Yeah. I thought the little sister was, like, the worst part of the movie. My sister also thought that.

We were, like, texting about it. And I was like, I just love a precocious younger sibling. And she was like, no, she was not into her at all. I thought she was cute. I think, is a precocious younger sibling real, though? Like, do you have a younger? You're a triplet, aren't you? What order are you?

I'm the oldest by three minutes. Wow. Nice. Yeah. Is the next one two, three minutes younger? Or is like all together three minutes younger? Three minutes younger and then two minutes younger. So it's a five minute process.

Yeah. Got it. So is your five minute younger sibling, like, really precocious? He's not. He's the least I would say I'm the most precocious. But maybe, I don't know. We're all pretty chill. I just don't think that's a real thing. I like a rom-com that rings true. That's true.

Even if the conceit is ridiculous. Yeah. And actually that probably was the most unbelievable part. It was like the little sister just mailing the letters. Yeah. And like going on a rant about menstruation. I want to get back to Noah. Yeah. I want to get back to to Noah Centenio. That's what really matters. But I just want to say all the sister stuff was the least

well done part. Yes, agreed. Danielle Parrish looks 30 years old She looks 30 years old I wasn't familiar with her either Do you know? Pretty little liars Oh, got it

Yeah She did look familiar But that's just, I don't know I recently came back to free form For the bold type But I was, I had Same I had left for a while

Yeah I mean when I was back of the day It was still ABC family, you know? I know, yeah It's been tough It's been like a good Many years for me to like When did Freeform become a thing

Like two years ago I had re- I only recently have accepted Because of the Bull type Moniker, yeah. Excellent show. So good. So I just thought that the sister's thing didn't make sense. She wouldn't go that long without telling her. Yes. I don't think it's also realistic unless you're, I don't think it's realistic to have an active crush on your sister's boyfriend like that. Yeah, I agree with that too. That's very weird. As someone who also has a sibling in Scotland right now.

Oh, really? Yeah. Is that where your sister is? That's where my brother is. Oh, yeah. Cool. But I just was like, I mean, we barely talk and I still would have told him about this. Yeah. It's like, also, it's not realistic. A major thing in her life. Yeah. It's definitely not.

Is she not on Instagram? Like, how is she not going to see these pictures that are being posted? All this sister stuff was just not well done. Agreed. But, again, as I said, besides the point, the best part of the movie was Noah Sentonio. 100%. Have you seen 16 candles, which is a reference in the movie? Yes.

Had you seen it before? Like, it's like in your canon? It is. Okay. I've seen it a few times. Because he is a really good stand-in for Jake Ryan. I agree. Yeah.

Like very similar appeal. Very similar aesthetic as well. And also I thought the lacrosse twist was a nice one. Very modern. Yeah. Moving on from football. I agree. Yeah, I like that.

Still a combat sport, though. Lacrosse is, like, aggressive. Yeah. I didn't know they play lacrosse in Oregon, though. You know, they don't play it in Indiana, really. So, like, I don't know where they play lacrosse. So I don't really, I don't know where they play lacrosse. It's always been like this weird foreign sport.

to me, which I think is why I like it more, because I don't know anything about it. Yeah, it's like, it's like a northeast and, like, very preppy thing. Maybe they do in Oregon. I don't know. Where would you say this, like, falls in, like, in your all-time rom-com rankings? Like, top, is it, like, top 15, firmly in the middle? I think it's pretty high. Maybe it's just because, like... I thought it was really good, too. I really liked it. It's like, as, like, obviously approved, it's super rewatchable. Yeah. And it's just, like, has all these little moments that, like, just feel very iconic immediately. Like, Twitter was going crazy with, like, just the little, like, scenes and quotes and just, like, the character, I think, of, like, Peter Kivinsky. He was very, he is just very, like, crushable.

Immediately, like, an iconic rom-com crush. Yeah. Similar to the sisters, but this is just, like, more accepted and also true for every genre of movie, book, and, like, fiction item. He's, like, incredibly unrealistic. Mm-hmm. Like, all the best rom-com boys are. Yeah. I love Pacey Witter

incredibly unrealistic Like literally McDreamy Incredibly who you also I want to be perfect Yeah I don't want them to have any Like I want him to be

And he's good from the beginning too Like he defends Like he defends her boots Against like his girlfriend From the very beginning Like he does not have No skin of the game Yeah

And like he's great at the end Right And that is just so not how Like the star athlete Who runs the school Would act Like I agree

You would just be so much more full of yourself You would be so much less nice. Yeah. He's perfect. What's the toughest part about his Instagram presence? If you think it's tough at all. He needs a haircut, first of all. Or like a little product?

It's just a lot in his face. I'm like, that's the moneymaker. Get your hair out of it. Seriously. It seems like he likes to rebel against his own image when he's not on set or whatever because he lets his hair go wild. To me, he seems like a little too willing to like lean into like the thirst trap thing. Like he knows.

You know what I mean? Like he knows. Right. He's the real version of this character which he knows is actually kind of a dope. I could do with like a little more like cultivated like hotness

where you like doesn't know he's hot. Also like maybe just get him some props in some of these pictures. Yeah. And it's like a lot of him. Like take some pictures of other people. Take a picture of food.

Is that what his demo likes though? I'm so removed. Like I don't know. There's just like a certain because I logged on. I was like oh it's that kind of Instagram. I don't use Instagram to like lust after celebrities.

You know? What's that like? Like, I just, I don't, I use it primarily as like a stalking device and like keeping up with my friends, children, and relationships. I think that's a generational thing. Yeah, it is, right? But I think that the Instagram demo, the Instagram, like, core audience is his demo. That's true. So, like, is he actually playing this completely right?

Like, he's, instead of, like, going to the cover of Teen Beat or Tiger Beat, like, he's just going straight to his Instagram page. Yeah. I think that's true. I think he knows exactly what he's doing, which I think is part of the appeal and also part of what, like, turns me off of it. What is the deal of his musical interest? Like, he's into, like, some, he's always promoting some bands, and I can't tell if he's in it or not. I haven't seen that. Oh, you haven't gone back deep enough.

Oh, I'm so sorry. It's called, like, artie or, like, artsy. I don't, I can't tell if he's in on it or he's being, like, really earnest. And that's another reason why he's a great rom-com star, because you don't know if he's in on it or being really earnest. That is, you're right. That's an essential quality. It kind of is. Like, I feel like Ryan Reynolds, you for a while, we're like, are you in on this joke?

until the proposal, it was unclear, like, to what level. He turned into, like, a way better adult than I ever expected. Yeah, yeah. He really has, like, figured it out. He and Blake lively also had a couple where they make each other better. Yes. I'm 100%. Worry about their long-term future, but I hope that they seem great right now.

They know how to play the game. Yeah. For sure. But for both of them, you weren't sure if that was true for a while. Yeah. Like in her sister-hood of the traveling pants, movie is meaningful to you? Yes. Very much.

Like, in that phase, I was like, does she know? that she's like the most beautiful person. And both of them are. Like both of them are like unhumanly beautiful. Yeah. And like it could have gone like very unrelatable. And they both like have enough like comedy in them that they've really made it work. I know.

It's impressive. Yeah. Peter. Noah Centenio. First of all, I've thought of him as an Nate for a long time. Okay. So I agree that Nate just fits his persona better. He is so innate.

But I think it's so interesting that like his character has been the appeal rather. I was like thinking about him versus like Glenn Powell in my head. Whereas, like, gun to my head, I could not tell you the name of Glenn Powell's character and set it up. No idea. But, like, Peter Kovinsky has been, like, how everyone's been referring to Noah, like, all over social media. So, like, it's almost like the character is more the appeal than he is. That's a great point. The Glenn Powell effect.

That's a testament to the movie, too. Yeah. Oh, I totally agree. Like, that's, and also him as an actor, I think. Yeah. Might be giving him a lot of credit. That is a really good point. Like, once's last time a character took off like this.

Like, even from any comedy, like, wide release, Netflix release. I don't know. Like, it's kind of like a Regina George situation. Yeah, yeah. Like, what's the name of Lindsay Lowndt's character in that movie? Katie something. Katie Heron. Can't even remember.

Regina George, she's iconic. She is. I feel like Peter Kovinsky is like the new iconic rom-com lead. He is immediately an iconic rom-com lead. Yeah. It's pretty impressive for someone I had never heard of like five days ago. Yeah. It's been a week.

He's still everywhere. I know. And he has got another movie coming. Yeah. Unfortunately, I think it might Peter Kivinski season and not Glenn Powell season. That was short-lived. I mean, I'm into it. Glenn's like, you know, he's in a different league now.

He can have that. That's true. He can start on all his Top Gun remakes or whatever. That's true. He's got Top Gun coming, so he's fine. Peter Kaminsky, again, I like just reflexfully called him that. Right. Stuck on Netflix.

And on the Fosters. They actually just announced today that he's going to be in the spinoff. Oh, nice. So he's firmly on TV. Also, did you know he was on the Foster because he replaced a character who didn't want to be on the show anymore, got in a car accident, and they replaced him with Noah Cincinnati. So it was a recast. Recast.

I so wholeheartedly support the recast. Yeah. I love the recast. It was a great move. So smart. Also, like, I really support that because why should a show have to be completely derailed by an actor changing their mind? Or, like, losing their interest. But I'm still very upset that Charlie on Girls was not recast when that actor parted ways with the Lena Dunham complex.

And that, like, derailed that entire. That was, like, bad for Marney. It was bad for the show. It would be better if he'd stayed on it. Although it did give us that great episode. But anyway, I love the recast. That's great stuff. I agree.

Yeah. And this is a very good example of a recast where, like, they made a good pick. And now he's off to the races. Yeah. Check out to all the boys I've loved before, if you haven't on Netflix. And check out Kate's article about how to make a fake romance work in rom-coms. Thanks, Kate. Thank you.

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corners of the internet. And definitely to me, I have Alyssa Bresnack here, whose birthday it is. Happy birthday, Alyssa. Thank you. Let's talk about Elon Musk, Grimes, and Azalea Banks. The saga begins about two weeks ago at this point, 10 days ago. Yeah, I mean, it depends on what you define as the saga. Because really, the saga began when they started dating. So the first thing that happened was Elon Musk said he was like considering selling his or taking Tesla private right that's a kind of where things start yeah so he yes he wanted to take Tesla private which is fine he can do that but the way that he decided to do it was tweet about it and he hadn't told anyone like he didn't tell his shareholders or anything he just was like considering taking Tesla private for $420 a share

funding secured. And then everyone was like, what? And so that sparked an inquiry from the SEC because, you know, there are places or there are, you know, systems in place for taking your company private. And he hadn't followed any of those. So he risked like fraud or sort of misconduct charges. And so you like no one actually thought that had anything to do with Grimes in the first place. Right. But meanwhile, he was dating Grimes when that happened. He's been dating Grimes for like six weeks, right? Or like two months. Their first public debut was the Metball. Oh. So it's even longer. That was in May, I believe. Yeah. And they had met earlier in the year because for like the nerdiest reason. Do you know this reason? It has to do with like some weird

concept that they wanted to discuss, right? Yeah. Like he wanted to make a joke about AI and then he like looked online to see if anyone else had made the joke and it was Grimes who had made the joke and he's like, oh my God, I'd need to meet her. That is so, like, ridiculous. And so then they were dating and like, who is Grimes? I know that she's like a musical artist, but I don't really know who she is. She's a Canadian pop artist. That's the short answer.

The long answer is that she's just always been really weird. Like, she's made, her brand is that she's like weird and quirky and changes her hair color with the seasons. She went to McGill University and she lived in like an abandoned warehouse and she's kind of famous for like trying to, with her friend, trying to like take a raft

down the Mississippi River with potatoes on it. Have you read about this? It's crazy. No, I haven't. Like I know who Grimes is, but she's just sort of like just outside my sphere of knowledge and interest. And she's,

and I know that to be true because she's never once appeared on a Spotify pre-populmonary playlist for me. And I listen to those a lot. Like, I listen to all six of my daily mixes, and I've never gotten a Grimes song. That's really telling. Like, the algorithm knows you. It does. And so I obviously, Grimes is, like, just beyond my reach. And so I, like, I've been following this, but the reason I wanted to talk to you, I don't really get it because, like, I know who Elon Musk is. And I also, like, only kind of know who Isalia Banks is. Like,

she's obviously a rapper. But, like, again, she's just outside of my sphere of interest. Grimes has made really good music. I think she's a talented person and she's kind of known for writing her own music and being sort of like a one woman show who's like really into independent artists and who's got like a really unique viewpoint. She was really active on Tumblr for a while so that helps with her artsy cred. She's like kind of a slightly different era. She's like very firmly of like the Obama years and definitely not a Trump administration like personage until now. Right. Well, yeah. Then, so that people got really upset when they saw them at the Metball together.

Right. She was wearing a necklace, a choker necklace with like this symbol of Tesla on it. Oh, my God. Like, very upsetting for anyone who ever believed in Grimes as like this anti-capitalist punk force or something. Very Angelina Jolie of her. Right. Yeah. That's a good comparison. But so then people. People got really upset and she started defending Musk on Twitter.

Right. And that was bad too because everyone's like, what do you think about Elon Musk reportedly not allowing his workers to unionize? And she was like, I visited the factories and I spoke to the workers and that's fake news. And it's just like, okay, Grimes, like what? Thanks. It's also ridiculous that she, that people like ask her to do that. That's like kind of like what's wrong with social media. Of course this entire saga has mostly played out over social media.

so I'm thankful for it in that respect. But on the other hand, she shouldn't have to answer for her boyfriend's, like, poor, like, management choices. It's a new relationship. It's, like, one thing if they get married, and then it's like, you know, you share a bank account, you share a business, eat those kind of. But, like, right now it's a new relationship. I don't think Grimes should have to answer for it, but she did anyway, which kind of made things worse, right? Yeah, I kind of agree.

Like, she's just testing things out with a billionaire. Like, he could be interesting to her. but she's all of a sudden like owning all of his bad decisions which sucks. Right. And even in her tweet she was like, L.O.L. I need a publicist or something like that. Which is just like kind of speaks to like how off the cuff this whole thing is. Okay.

So Grimes and Elon Musk. They're dating since like officially May. It's like it rocks the world. And then like 10 days ago he like makes this weird stock comment on Twitter. Everyone's paying attention to Elon Musk again. And then somehow Azalea Banks gets involved in. in like the online drama over Elon Musk. Can you explain to me how Azealia Banks gets pulled into this?

Yes. So in June, Azealia Banks and Grimes announced that they were going to do some sort of collaboration. I guess their fans, like, they have like sort of like a Venn diagram of fans where like in the center, like there is a core group of people that want them to collaborate. And so it just so happened that they had scheduled to do recording the same weekend like over. around the time that, like, Musk tweeted that thing on Friday, and that weekend was when they were scheduled to do the recording. So she was staying at his house in L.A. This much is confirmed by the more times. And Musk claims to, like, not know who she is and, like, to only have seen her, like, from

30 feet away or something, like, not even within hearing distance, he said. But she claims to have, like, witnessed his entire breakdown. And she started posting about it on her Instagram story because I guess she was pissed at Grimes because Grimes was coddling her boyfriend all weekend, quote unquote. And he said, like, Azealia Banks claims that he was on acid when he did that tweet. And she said that on Instagram, right? Yes, she put that on Instagram. She put a lot of other things on Instagram, though. Like, I have to emphasize that you can't trust anyone whose Instagram story is like just a bunch of tiny little lines, you know.

like the actual thread. Wait, yeah, like wait, they post way too many stories. It's like chapters to their story basically. Yes. So she, they were supposed to collaborate and then Grimes blew her off and she just started saying all this shit about how like they were trying to get her to do like, she heavily implied that they were trying to get her to do a threesome with her with them, which is like very weird.

She said something about like, I wasn't really interested in like talking about Elon Musk's like sexual preferences too. So, like, I'm kind of, I'm just like, do we have to? Like, knowing he's dating Grimes is like enough. His interest in the three, some of his Adelaia Banks, like something I didn't really need to know about. Yeah. I think I got really grossed out by Grimes and Elon Musk as a couple when that one picture went viral where, like, she was standing there with his son and she looked like his daughter. And I was like, oh, no, like this is, I don't, I don't want to imagine them having sex. Me neither. No, thank you. Well, I hope they enjoy it with each other and having a great relationship, but I just, not something I'm interested in. Yeah, agree. Yeah, agree. Like,

more power to them if it's fulfilling. Completely. Okay, so, and then, and then there's like another chapter today of her explaining what, of Aesalia Blanks explaining what happened, like, when she's leaving at LAX or something. Yeah. It's just a lot, like, well, so in the previous thing, she, like, compared the whole episode to get out, which didn't vote well for either of them. But then she just kept being like, yeah, you guys wasted my time all weekend. She starts to mention her soap company. I guess she's trying to launch a soap company.

Aren't we all? Yes. I mean, yes. And so she's like, I was just trying to get some advice for my soap company and do a studio recording. But you guys kept trying to bring like raggedy-ass alien sex stuff into it. Once again, I'm kind of like paraphrasing what she said. I don't know, like Azealia Banks really likes attention online. Like she spent a long time talking about how she supported Trump for a while.

So all of this is taken with a grain of salt. But this is after sort of Musk tried to handle the carnage in an official Times interview to be like, I wasn't on drugs. the $420 share reference wasn't a reference to $420. But in Azealia Banks's new stories, she screenshotsed conversations between her and Grimes, where Grimes was explaining that it was. So, I mean, it could be doctored, but all very problematic for her. Right. And that came out yesterday.

That is it that she put, or Azaleo Banks posted yesterday that Grimes, her conversation with Grimes in which Grimes says, like, Elon must obsess with you. like collaborate with you and he's also like obsessed with 420. This is a loose paraphrasing and that's why he thought that would be funny. Exactly. Do you think anyone is a winner in this situation? I mean, it's very clear Elon Musk is a loser except that it seems like he's living out his sexual fantasies, so that's great. But other than that, is anyone a winner from this like whole online kerfuffle? Hmm, that's a good question. I think Azealia Banks might be because she doesn't usually get this much attention. Yeah. Like she got to be in the New York Times. Like,

All of a sudden, everyone's following her on Instagram. I had unfollowed her a really long time ago. And then I refollowed and I felt like it was the most rewarding follow in a long time. I was getting so much information about such good gossip. So, yeah, she won. I think so, too. I hope her soap company does well. Yeah, me too.

I'm, like, always looking for some new soaps. I was just thinking last night I needed a good night cream. I'm looking to redo all of my night routines, you know, for, to, like, if I could get some new soap, I'm into it. Why not? Yeah. Azealia Bank, send it on over. How much longer do you give Elon Musk? Maybe this is the death of Tesla and the birth of the soap company.

How much longer do you give Elon Musk and Grimes? I give them, hmm. Okay, I need to think about this. We're coming up on like probably four or five months, which is longer than I would have imagined. Longer than he lasted, Amber Hurd as well. Yeah, there are rumors that are already broken up because they unfollowed each on Instagram and then Musk deleted his Instagram account. So, which is crazy for a CEO of several giant tech companies to do.

It's really true. Yeah. So I think that they might already be broken up, but if not, I give them one more month. One thing that's very comforting is to know that even a billionaire and like maybe pseudogeneous, I've still got questions about that. like Elon Musk can't really handle himself on social media either or has people snitching on him, you know? Billionaires are just like us.

Yeah, he could probably use some more sleep. Everyone makes mistakes when they haven't rested well enough. So, you know, at this point, I just feel bad for him. In the Times interview, he had teared up a couple times and I just started to feel bad. But he's also comforted by like his, you know, piles of money. His riches, yeah. Were there any other key takeaways we should know about? from the New York Times interview?

Just that he spoke a little bit about his exhaustion and how his friends were, quote, unquote, concerned. Oh. So, yeah, like all the sacrifices he's made to do these, like, insane hundred hour work weeks and how it's come at the expense of spending time with its family. That part, I, you know, I feel not as bad about because it's like, well, you could just spend time with your family, there are other options here. And also, you seem to have plenty of time to meet, like, beautiful actresses and date them. So, I mean, I guess he just finds one who will spend time in his home while he works. I want to know how that works, to be honest, like,

if they go on dates or something like that. I don't think they do, because I think they would have been photographed already if they did. Because him and Amber Hurd were photographed. Yes, like that one time they went ziplining with his kids. Yeah, they also got breakfast tacos in my neighborhood, so that was a big deal. Wait, where at? Home State. This is a great breakfast taco place in Los Fee list on Hollywood Boulevard. Highly recommend it if you haven't been. Yeah, I got to check it out. Yeah, if you're next trip to L.A. You could be just like Amber Hurd and Elon Musk. Okay, I feel like I thoroughly understand this now. Thank you so much, Alyssa. I honestly was like, I can't keep up. I just need someone to get to lay down all the facts. Yeah, happy to provide this

service any day. Have a great birthday and we'll talk to you soon.