The Press Box - We Need to Talk About Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas | Jam Session (Ep. 551)

Episode Date: December 13, 2018

Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas got married last week (1:16) and their splashy wedding celebration sparked some suspicions about the nature of their relationship (11:51). Margot Robbie and Saoirse Ronan are on a press tour for their movie ‘Mary Queen of Scots’ and we’re loving it (23:27). And the onslaught of bad press against Meghan Markle continues (27:44). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Read the Atlantic article on Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliet Litman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. Wedding season, kind of. A wedding happened. We're going to talk about it. A great length. You'll talk about Nick Jonas and Priyanka Chopra.

I'm pretty excited. I have a lot of thoughts on the Jonas Brothers in general, and I bet you didn't know that, although probably aren't surprised. And I'm excited to get into it. It adds up. How about that? We're also going to revisit the whole Megan Markle and Prince William press feud that is ongoing and getting really unseemly.

That's my soul. Yeah. But first we got to talk about the biggest celebrity press story of the past couple weeks. Really months. Yeah. And that's kind of the thing, right? We got to talk about it because it was suddenly everywhere. It was a huge deal in the press.

Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas were on the cover of multiple magazines. It was a really, it was a big, loud thing. And we have been talking a lot about it, as have many other people on the internet, some less productively than others. Exactly. So they have only been, like, known as a couple since May of 2018. That was month five. We're currently in month 12.

So it's like about seven months of them being known to be dating. And they confirmed it, I think, like six weeks after that, basically. I think that the first time they were seen together was in 2017 they were seen together at the Met Gala, but they were just hanging out. And then about like a few months later, things started to like bubble and people started like seeing things come together. And I believe that the Memorial Day weekend was kind of like when this whole thing started because they were seen together at a Dodgers game. Yeah. So there's a full year between the Met Gala in 2017 where there are pictures being taken. of them in 2018 where they're like out in public at non-celebrity events.

Yes. And I suppose that we don't, not suppose, we don't have any idea what happened in that year. And a year, as listeners of Jam Session will know, meets the Amanda Dobin standards for appropriate dating and getting married. If you are together for a year, then it's fine by me. So. Okay. So you approve.

Well, I don't know about that. I'm just going to say that they're like, I do think that that year of time, has gotten a bit lost in the discussion because we as a celebrity consuming public only really know of them since May 2018, which is... Right, and there could be more going on. Yes, but I think part of the interest in it is because it is so recent to us, right? Sure. And came on so strong. Yes.

I just, I want to go back to some of her comments from May 2017 when they went to the MetGala together. Okay. She went on Jimmy Kim alive, and he asked her about... go, you know, attending with Nick Jonas. And her quote was, we were on the same table and we already know each other. So he was like, hey, well, you want to go together? I was like, yeah, okay, let's go together. End up working out. And the reason they were at the same table is that they were both wearing Ralph Lauren. So there's a lot of business synergies at the beginning of this

that could have brought them together, like, namely being both wearing Ralph Lauren, which isn't like that big of a deal. But, you know, I think that's like at the very beginning of like the consciousness of them, there is like a, their careers intersecting. Yes. I will say that's how a lot of celebrity relationships start. We're just most used to careers in terms of like two actors, right? On a set. And somehow it, you know, like they're playing that they're in a relationship and then the lines

get blurred and that's somehow easier for people to wrap their heads around or maybe to understand in terms of emotional connection. Like being fashion sponsored does not really scream true. romance, though, frankly, there are probably a lot of people who think that's the most romantic thing in the world. You or an I are not those two people. But, yeah, in many ways, this is how a lot of celebrities meet. I think it's just that it is, like, the fashion sponsorship is kind of a new twist on it.

Sure. And also, the Met Gals is interesting because it's often used as, like, a place to be seen with someone specific, like, as a way to, like, announce who your squad is. Just off the top of my head, like the way the Kardashians use it, obviously. And in the past, how, like, Lena Dunham has sort of attended with Jenny Connor. And there's sort of, like, a lot of, like, this is my crew and this is who I'm going to the Met Gallo with. And so I think when this first started, I thought of it as like, yeah, that makes sense. Like, people who are friends go to this together.

It's, like, actually not, like, really a thing you bring a date to unless, like, you're married. And even then, like, Tom Brady's, like, always trailing behind Jezell Bunchen, you know? That's true. So that, you know, that seems like that happens in real life, too, to be honest. And perhaps, and perhaps for good reason. He seems like he might suck. But that's just a personal opinion. All right.

So let's fast forward a year because it's kind of, it's radio silence for a full year. And then May 2018, they are everywhere. They go very public, very quickly. Yeah. Us Weekly was the initial, like, cataloger of this. And they were seen Memorial Day weekend at Beauty and the Beast live. at the Hollywood Bowl, which honestly I wish I'd gone to had I known. And then they were at the Dodgers game and, like, E had some quotes of like random, of anonymous sources saying they looked really cute together.

So, yeah, I mean, you know, this is the kind of story you tend to get from us weekly these days. Dating updates. Yes. And so I'm looking at a very helpful timeline from Harper's Bazaar. There are many timelines available on the internet about this, but this one's great. So Memorial Day 2018 is kind of when they first go public. And then by June 9, 2018, Priyanka Chopra is at a Jonas family wedding. And by late June, Nick is meeting her family in India.

So in any normal relationship, this suggests that they have been dating for a long time. And again, there is that whole year where they're probably getting to know each other. And I think kind of the dissonance is that we, in the span of three weeks, everyone was like, wait, they're dating. and now they're meeting each other families, this seems really fast, which it is in this timeline, but I think we don't know that this is the actual timeline. And I feel like that is where a lot of the conversation and doubt surrounding this has come into play. And I guess we should just kind of like address the elephant in the room, which is a lot of people have been saying unkind things about this relationship. there are many people on the internet who don't really seem to believe it.

And there was a poorly executed cut article about them that was then taken down because it just, it was wrong. It's not the way to talk about this. And the author I sense apologized. But it has now become, this wedding has taken on a second life of like what's going on with them and how do we talk about celebrity relationships and what's real and what's not. Is that fair? Yeah. And so backing up to her, and this gets back to the cut thing.

But backing up to him meeting her parents in India, Priyanka Chopra is, like, one of the most famous living humans. And that's because she's insanely famous in India and in other parts of the world where Bollywood films are really popular and beloved. And so that's just sort of like the equivalent of Julia Roberts in like 1989, introducing someone to her parents. Like, everyone's going to know about it. Yes.

And so I think that's why it's like such a big deal and why it was like so documented. Well, that's one reason why. There's certainly other cynical reasons why you think it could be as well. But I think that's kind of what the cut article, which was not, you know, which like there was parts of it like I agreed with, even if it was like a poorly executed piece. We can leave immediate criticism for another day. But the point is like Priyanka Chopra is like worldwide way more famous and probably like way richer than Joe. excuse me, the Nick Jonas. And I think that's kind of what, like, for the American audience, that's, like, very hard to grasp.

Yes, exactly. It's, she is unbelievably famous. And I read, there was a very good piece in the Atlantic that was talking about how kind of from the Indian point of view, this is like, does this guy realize that he's literally marrying royalty? That is her status. But here in, I mean, not literally, she's actually not literally royal, but essentially marrying royal. Sorry. Yeah. That is her status.

Words are important, everyone. But Pryonka Chopra was on Quantico for a few years. That show was canceled. She's certainly had success. She's going to be in a romantic comedy with Rebel Wilson next year. She's definitely a successful Hollywood actress, but she is not as famous here as she is in India. And so the level of press coverage in the American press has been what's been notable. And I think the most notable example to me is that they got married over the weekend. And then on Monday, Pryanka Chopra was on the cover of Vogue. And it was very clearly timed to her wedding. And which is not to say that she doesn't deserve that,

but you don't normally see that level of press coordination to a wedding. Yeah. Particularly if you're, if you're like looking for privacy. Like they're like I think a lot of super famous celebrities try to really manage the press that comes out of their weddings. Like compared with Goop, who also, you know, does a time. of press and likes to be in the spotlight, I think. She kind of had like a delayed, self-coordinated spread. Well, it's easier for her because she has, like, her own media outlet.

But People Magazine immediately had all the photos, like a Royal, basically, or like that they clearly paid a lot of money for because that's how you get those pictures exclusively. Yeah, and let's be real. Like, most celebrities do end up sharing their wedding photos. And, I mean, I was thinking about how Brad and Angelina finally got married, like, two years before they split up. and she was immediately on the cover of people and hello as well. Do you remember that, even though it was a private wedding?

Yeah, of course. Was it right away, though? I think that's how we learned that it happened. Right. I think that was, like, delayed, though. I think that a lot, I can't remember off the top of my head, but I do think a lot of the time there's like a week or two in between, basically. Yeah.

You know what this wedding reminded me a lot of, actually, in terms of press coverage and the immediacy of it, was the Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes wedding. Yes, absolutely. I vividly remember. There were like cameras outside that Italian castle. Do you remember that? I was watching CNN live. Nothing happened on CNN, by the way.

But I vividly remember watching it because they were really doing live coverage. And, you know, not all of that was coordinated by Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, but they were pretty public about this is where we're getting married. They did a press call, if I remember. They were definitely kind of playing to the audience. in that moment. They used their, I think it's fair to say, they use their wedding as like a publicity opportunity, which, judgment aside, like that, that's an approach to marriage that is different than many people who there's no interest in their wedding.

Yeah. And I think that that's, those are the conversations that you and I have been having about the Priyanka Choper and Nick Jonas thing is that the level of publicity that is attached to it. Before we started recording this podcast, I watched a Vogue. video that obviously was coordinated with her cover where they play like the newlywed game and like answer questions about each other. And like that's the kind of, that's the kind of thing that if you, if you think it's a PR stunt marriage or anything, that's the kind of thing that I'm like, I'm worried about this people getting divorced. Like as soon as you go to public with your

relationship like that, because being famous is hard, especially for someone like Priyanka Choper who, like, there's no, there's very few places for her to hide because she is so famous. That's like inviting in a level extra stress that I would just never opt into. And so it makes me nervous for them, real relationship or not, and what real relationship means, we also can debate. Like, I also, have you, how many times have you watched Nick Jonas perform live, like on video or in person? How many times do you think I've watched Nick Jonas perform live? Yes, Julie, at zero. He's a soulful, he's a soulful young man. There's a gospel version of Jealous, the song that was really popular for him a few years ago. Great song. Yeah, great song. And the

gospel version is like amazing and he has so much emotion and passion while he's singing it. Oh, you know what? I saw that because he did it. He did it on the voice. Choir, right? Live at one point? Yeah, I watched that. Okay. And he honestly just seems like he's so into it. He's like really like involved in the moment. He seemed like a passionate young man and that's just the way I think of him when I watched that. And there was just none of that passion in talking to his new wife who probably at the time was his fiance. And like, yeah, it's definitely really awkward to put your relationship on TV like that, and I wouldn't be comfortable either. But I just thought it was notable. Can I say one other unusual thing about this?

Of course. With all respect to you and your interests is that Nick Jonas is not that famous anymore. He's just not. He was part of the Jonas Brothers. That was a moment, obviously, for the Disney kids, and they were cute. and he is just not that famous in America anymore. And so it's been really interesting. This side of it where they try to push him up is it's like,

it's a really big deal that Nick Jonas is getting married. I'm like, is it? Do I need people cover about that? You know, in this economy, I guess so. But I don't know. And I certainly don't think he's as famous as Priyanka Chopra. So that has been to kind of watch their very, levels of fame be smushed together and kind of jockeying for attention is, it's, I mean,

it's been fascinating. Definitely. Yes. I completely agree with you. Also, like, they intersect so many other celebrities. Like, first of all, so Sophie Turner's at their wedding, obviously, because she is dating Joe Jonas, who are, like, in comparison to his brother, like, they're, like, the quietest couple in the world.

And these are two people who, like, basically gave us an incredible gallery of stills from their appearance at Wimbledon. I was also going to say the number one U.S. Open guess. Oh, that's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, just incredible stuff. And then I was looking at pictures and I was like, oh, my God, I remember when they were like kids and they were doing the whole Disney Channel thing. They have a fourth brother and I don't even, his name is Frankie.

It's kind of besides a point. They used to refer to him as like the bonus Jonas and the branding of their family was so specific. And I was like, oh my God, the bonus Jonas. He still lives. I totally forgot about that. Can I ask a question? An earnest question. Who is the third Jonas?

I forgot who the third Jonas is. Kevin, he's married. Oh, yeah. He got married first, right? Yes. He got married first. There was always a lot of rumors unfounded that his wife was not actually pregnant and was like wearing a bump. And they used like a surrogate or something like that.

That was like very popular. You love a bump conspiracy theory. I do. I do love a bump conspiracy theory. And that was a big one, like circa 2000. 2007, 2008. That's how long I've been reading blinded items. And also, there's a television show called, there was, called Married to Jonas that was on E. And that's another reason why E, I think, had a lot of exclusives on this is because they have a relationship with the Jonas family.

It's also, this is Kardashian like in the coordination of life event and publicity. So it makes sense that E would be in that business as well. Yeah, totally. Well, I just want to say, Kevin Jonas and his bride, her name was Danielle. I believe. They had an apartment at the Americana, which is the, which is the, oh my God, seriously? Wait, can we do a hot minute on the Americana for people who don't live in Los Angeles? Absolutely. I was just saying explain what it is. Why don't you do it? Okay. So in Los Angeles, there is a particular breed of outdoor mall, the Americana, the Grove, there's one in Pacific Palisades that Juliet took me to once. And it's essentially like if Main Street of Disneyland were a mall that sold like Tiff's,

and made well and had a cheesecake factory. And a trolley. And a trolley. And they played Sinatra all the time. All the time. Yes. And they had a fountain. But the Americana is in Glendale, which means it's accessible to both Juliet and myself from

where we live. And also, the Americana has a dintai fong, which is an incredible dumpling restaurant. Incredible. So we both spend an amazing amount of time at the Americana. I've been in New York for a few for a little bit, and I really missed in Typhong. I've been, like, going a lot lately, and I fucking miss it. It's so good. Well, we'll go when you get back.

But anyway, the thing I forgot to mention about the Americana is that in addition to being kind of like Disneyland, Mainstream, outdoor mall, the Americana weirdly has apartments on, like, the second and third floor of the Disneyland Main Street. So you can, like, overlooking, like, the weird merriment of fake mainstream. where Frank Sinatra's playing. Right. So you can live above an urban outfitters and kind of look at the fake lawn and the children meeting Santa, which is pretty cute, actually.

But every time I go to the Americana, I'm just fixated on who lives in these houses. It looks like, it doesn't even look like a movie set. It looks too fake to be a movie set. Yeah. I recently visited the country, the municipality, the principality of Monaco. And it was very similar. Monica. Incredible sentence by you. Thank you.

And anyway, they, on the show, they probably had an apartment there because like some, like, corporate housing. Because like when the contestants of Dancing with the Stars, they always stay at the Park La Brea, which is like kind of similar, minus the mall. It's just like a housing structure. And so I think that they probably got like put up there for the show. But they had an apartment there. That's where they lived while they were filming it in Glendale. It was incredible. I think the overriding theme of, of this.

this whole segment is that celebrities are not like us. They're just not. They live at the Americana and they invite Vogue to their wedding. And, you know, weddings are intensely personal and there are many normal people who have weddings that I would never do it that way. And I would also, I did not have Vogue at my wedding. Juliet, if you have Vogue at your wedding at some point, I will be excited. I'd love to give a quote. I'd be happily be a secondary for you.

But let's fingers cross on that one. But, you know, it's celebrities are weird. They live in weird spaces and things happen that don't totally make a ton of sense to an average person. But also, why would it? Because they are extremely famous. And I think with the question of Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas, like, whether you believe their relationship or not, I think it's just like different terms when you've been famous that long. Yeah, exactly. Like the types of things that make for a good relationship are not the same as what makes a good relationship for me.

Like someone to sit on the couch with me most nights of the week is not the same as what you need when like you have conflicting schedules and you probably only have like, you know, 50 nights a year when you're both home. Yeah, absolutely. We talk a lot about this with J-Lo and A-Rod. It's like how much time do they actually spend together? And the Vogue profile that goes along with Priyanka Chopra's cover talks a lot about this, about how they're traveling all the time and they kind of meet up from place to place. It's just different. When you're that famous, you are living life differently. And that there's no value judgment on that.

It's just kind of, but what's so fascinating about it, and I think the reason that we're talking so much about it, because you rarely see it made so public. Totally. It's really true. Wish them well. Curious to see where this goes and how the press continues. Yeah.

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experience a new kind of luxury at rileyhome.com and use the promo code jam for 25% off your order. That's rileyhome.com promo code jam. Right, we're back. We're going to talk about the latest coming out of Kensington Palace, which I am not happy about, nor are you. No. But first, let's talk about something a little bit new. The Mary Queen of Scott's movie is coming out, and it stars Sir Sharonan and Margot, Roby, and they are doing a lot of press together, and man, is it delightful?

Yeah, this movie is basically an excuse for the two of them to walk red carpets I've figured out, or maybe it should position itself as that, because I've seen the film, and you can skip it. We'll just leave it at that. But it's really charming. There are red carpets appearances, and it's like, of course you want to see Margot Robbie and Sersa Ronan just like hanging out and being great across the globe. Why don't we just do more of that? I completely agree.

Also, it's two great accents brought together an Australian and an Irish woman. And they also seem to genuinely like each other, but they also aren't like, oh, my God, we're best friends. Like, it's a nice professional female collegiality that I feel we don't get enough of and I'm really enjoying. Very true. I think part of the reason we don't get enough is because they don't let two women star in that many movies. So maybe they could figure that out. But yes, there is something. about it's not like the whole, oh my God, we're BFF stuff. It's just like we are to accomplish

women here together. It's great. It was similar with Ocean's Eight when they did their press tour. Like they seem like they're having a lot of fun together, but no one was like, yeah, we do each other's nails or like now we're best friends and go on vacation together. Yeah, we're grownups. Yeah, I really, I enjoy it. Let's have more, let's shine a light on more professional adult relationships that are like, you know, both friendly and appropriate for the workplace. I think that sounds great. What has been your favorite moment of the Margo and Sershia professional press tour? I mean, so this is unprofessional, and now I feel like the dumb person in the corner being like, oh, my God, boys!

But it has also emerged that Sersha Ronan is dating her co-star in this movie. And I said I'd seen the movie, I'm going to tell you, Jack Loudon, real star. He plays a real dick in the movie, just like reprehensible through and through. But he has that kind of charm, and you can tell that they have chemistry. and I wish Sershiel. That's great. Yeah. I think they seem like a great couple. I love seeing all of her outfits on this press store. And like in a lot of the pictures when he's there,

he's just kind of like off to the side, which I really appreciate because it allows both the two women to like be in the center. Yeah. But also Sertia Ronan's, all of her style, her ensembles have just been incredible and quite varied, I would say. A lot of different looks happening. Great style. But she just looks, she looks fantastic.

I agree. I just think this is nice. You know, it's nice when good things happen to good people. They made this movie so that we could just like enjoy their press tour for a while. And that's great. They don't make enough movies for press tours, in my opinion. Did you watch their Wired video when they answered the most Googled questions about themselves? Yes.

That was very charming as well. I liked that they pretended that Mario Roby's name was in some way hard to say for Americans. Like, no, it's not. Even if I'm saying it wrong, then it'd be Margot Robbie. Okay, that's just like a question of if you're trying to sound snooty or not, and perhaps I'm wrong. I don't think so, but whatever. But of course, searcherun actually is hard to say,

or based on the spelling. And she kept being, like, she kept differentiating between an American who says it quasi-correctly and an Irish woman. And Margot was like, what's the difference? And she just couldn't detect it. And I really enjoyed it. I like that search is leaning into the weird name thing. I do too. They're just game and smart and I hope that they get more opportunities

to do this sort of thing together or individually. It's nice. I do too. I'm bummed the movie's not good. Well, you know what? Their performances are great and it's interesting. I think if this is your type of thing, you should absolutely watch it. I just kind of, I got confused by the end. I didn't really pay enough during the Scottish part of history class. So that's on me, quite frankly. And And maybe I'll read a book before I go try to see a historical film next time. How about that? Okay. That's a great transition into British history because we need to talk about the continuing

onslaught, what I consider it to be in a continuing onslaught against the Duchess of Sussex, Megan Markle. So many horrible stories still coming out about her. It's really, really messy. And it's clearly, it's all the papers want to write about. I assume because they're selling newspapers and they're getting a lot of traffic. Though I would point out that there is a freaking national crisis in the UK right now. You guys need to worry about Brexit and not worry about whether Megan Merkel and her staff get along. Which, by the way, by all accounts they do, it's just she asks them to work.

Oh, my God, forbid. Sorry, in America, we do our jobs. But anyway. I think that is a big part of it, Amanda. That's a really good point. I was recently talking to a friend who I was saying how much I love London. And I was like, God, I'd love to live there. Not that I ever would.

And also it'll be even harder to get a visa than ever. Sure. And she was like, I don't think you would like it. They don't have the same approach and attitude about work that Americans do. And then she just sort of explained her own experience there. And I thought that was really fascinating. Again, like this is like value neutral to me. But Americans do have a certain approach to work, which is like, it's for many people.

It's like the center of their life. It's like what gets them up in the day. It's like the main driving force. for reasons both like financial and also emotional and also like, you know, just intellectual. And I think that's like a difference. I think that like for the royal family, like work is like, you know, going to charity events and having a lot of like social commitments or like charitable commitments. But Megan is a working gal. Like she's a hustler. She made a career for herself. And I think that's like comes off as like too brusk and too aggressive. Yes. I don't even know

if it comes off as like too aggressive. They just don't want to deal with it. think that she actually wants to take an active part in her job and turn what is basically just like being a wife into a real position and a place of impact, which is absolutely admirable. And it seems like they just don't like that she texts early in the morning because apparently she sends texts at 5.30, which so does every damn successful person that I know, even though sometimes I wish I weren't getting them. So 530 is too early for me. I'm not a morning person. That said, it's time for my crown reference of the week on Jam session. In the crown, like the true villains of those two seasons are the palace staff, essentially,

the people who are enforcing all of the rules and ignoring the people or change or kind of any extenuating circumstances. And I wouldn't, I think those people are still basically the same way. like this is how we've always done it and this is how you have to do it. And I can imagine that a Go Get Get Em American would be their worst nightmare. That doesn't make them, that doesn't make them right. Totally. And so this article that really caught my eye and raised my ire this week was from a couple of days ago, I read it on page six, but it's republished from the sun, from the UK. And then the story said, one of her key roles was said to be training Megan in Royal Etiquette.

And so, yeah, like, I'm sure there's just a clash of styles here. And that doesn't mean we don't need to demonize Megan. I'm so just mad about this. Yeah, and some of it is also, I think the press is certainly fueling it because there are things every day. And I suppose some of it is because they're trying to sell newspapers and because they still have newspapers in the United Kingdom. And I think some of it is also that the various camps are probably leaking, warring things daily. And this is when we start to get really mad at Prince William, because it's very clear that their side of the palace is feeding something to the press,

or at least is not helping the situation. Yes. Because here's the thing, this didn't have to be anything. They could have said, we're moving because we'd like a little more privacy as we have a kid. And then the other, you know, the Prince William camp could be like, we'll miss them so much, but it's only 20 miles away. They could deny this so easily and have it be done. But the reason it's not done is because people keep leaking things to the press.

So they're not blameless. And it's unbelievable how much it keeps, how long it's been going. I know. It makes me mad. But perhaps Christmas will reach detente. Everyone is going to the Queen's home and Sandringham for it. Yes. And I think that Harry and Megan are supposed to stay with Kate and William because they have a house on the estate.

Oh, wow. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Oh, wow. I mean, they keep changing their. Christmas things every day. It seems very complicated. I know. It really does. It really does. All right, Amanda, thank you so much. We will be back in two weeks with a kind of wrap-up episode for the end of the year. And then we'll be back with more forward-looking gossip in January. 2019. We'll see you then. Thanks, everyone.