The Press Box - What We Talk About When We Talk About Kylie Jenner's House | Jam Session (Ep. 570)

Episode Date: February 7, 2019

Kylie and Kris Jenner have spreads in Architectural Digest and we have a lot of thoughts (2:42). Jennifer Lawrence is engaged to her boyfriend, Cooke Maroney (33:00). Kate Beckinsale and Pete Davidson were seen stepping out together again (37:12). A new friendship between Chris Hemsworth and Matt Damon is blooming down under (48:21). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins See Kylie Jenner’s home in Architectural Digest here. See Kris Jenner’s home in Architectural Digest here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to The Ringer Podcast Network. I'm Liz Kelly. With the Super Bowl and the books, I wanted to let you know about all of our coverage across the site. We have Kevin Clark, Robert Mays, Roger Sherman, and more breaking down every aspect of the game, including winners and winners and losers and losers' players from the game, including down the game. Be sure to watch and subscribe to our channel on YouTube.com slash The Ringer. Welcome to Jam Session. I'm Juliet Lippman. I'm Amanda Dobbins. We are hitting many of our favorite corners today. Yes. We're going to get into Deep Real Estate Corner with Kylie and Chris Jenner's homes. We'll get there in a second.

We're also going to be talking about dating timelines because Jennifer Lawrence has engaged after a mere eight months of dating her fiancé. Pete Davidson and Kate Beckinsale photographed together. After she was ahead of hospital visit last week, there's the Oscars Breakfast to check in on featuring Mark Ronson in a spring wait suit, despite it being winter weather here in Los Angeles. And we got best friends down under. Maybe you can guess who that is.

Maybe you'll have to listen to the end to find out. That was an amazing teaser. Thank you. That was very, that was professional network voiceover level. Thank you. Congratulations. I really appreciate it. On this positive energy, let's jump right in to the primary color bath.

That is the two homes that belong to Chris Jenner and Kylie Jenner. Are they primary? colors? No, they're more like a box of crayons than it's just been like exploded into a home. I only asked, because recently on a different podcast, I had to ask how you make pink, like which colors? Red and white. I thought it was red and blue purple. Red and blue is purple. We got that wrong in the other podcast. I hope someone corrects that. It's really weird that you're bringing this up because I actually was driving home the other night and I was just in my head quizzing myself on like what are the primary colors. Yeah. And it's insane that I'm now,

that we've now all had this conversation. Well, we don't really use it in day to day life anymore. There's like an outsized emphasis on learning your colors as a small child compared to how much you use it as an adult unless you're an artist. The reason I was thinking about it was because in graphic design, there's like a few different kinds of like ways to measure color. Yeah. Hex codes. There's four color, three color and whatever. And in three color, it's RGB, red, green blue, but I'm like, why is it green? Like, is it green a prime? No, green is that a primary color? Yeah, no. That's blue and yellow. And so I was like, why is green in the mix? It's weird. Is it something because of how your eye receives the?

Yes, so. Yeah. But anyway, whatever, into these houses. Okay. And we talked about pink first because the lead picture on the Kylie spread, on the Kylie cover is her dining room that has these spectrum of pink and red chairs. Yes. So let's set the scene, which is that there is a split cover in architectural digest this month,

which is the term for when there are several different people who get their own cover. And you, depending on, if you. Subscribe, you could get one of a set of covers. Yes. So the two people on this cover are Kylie Jenner and her mom, Chris Jenner. Chris Jenner has Jedi Mind tricked the entire world. Well, I really think because we know that Chris Jenner negotiated this deal because she is the momager for all five daughters. So she agreed to a Kylie Jenner architectural Digest cover with the caveat that she would also get her cover.

She just negotiated for her own cover. It's crazy. You were actually holding your tongue. We've made it like three minutes without you saying something rude about that. Which, like, why? Go ahead and say what you want to say about the Kardashians. It just drives me crazy that their empire began as keeping up with the Kardashians, which was like a play on keeping up with the Joneses.

Like, it's like the family to keep up with. And the basis of their fame is aesthetics and so-called beauty and also like style and fashion and all that. And it is just so, there's just so much artifice and so much dishonesty at every single turn. And it drives me crazy. It drives me crazy that Kylie Jenner is a 21-year-old alleged billionaire based on a makeup line that is targeted at teenagers when she, a recent teenager, has had so much plastic surgery that you absolutely can never achieve her look or her lifestyle with the products that she peddles. It just makes me so mad. And I just think that they are incredibly tacky. And their homes are kind of like pop art gone wrong.

And sort of like, I would also like to blame Andy Warhol for a lot of this. And it's just like such a absolute perversion fun house presentation on like American values and Americanness. And it makes me so incredibly angry. Thank you for listening. No, I agree with all of that. I don't, you don't get as mad. Well, I just, I find it fascinating. I think that they, listen, America's in a fucking shithole right now.

I'm sorry for cursing, but so I agree with you that as representatives of America's value system and America's relationship to aesthetics and beauty and commerce, they are ultimately dispiriting and angry making because America is. gobbling it up. Well, and also just America's in a very bad place, and I think that they encapsulate so much of what has gone wrong. Yes, like Kim Kardashian and her sisters are nearly as famous as the president of the United States, and they both got their starts from reality TV and for being exhibitionists. Right, and there are millions of people who invest their time and energy and make life decisions based on people who are on reality shows. And, you know, I... It's very...

And I'm like a reality TV enthusiast, but I'm just like, this is sort of like when the robots take over. That's what it feels like to me. It's like we've lost control. Yeah. There is something. I find them such an interesting case study that I don't get quite as angry. And I think also that there is a distinction between using your fame and influence to make money. Yeah.

And using your fame and influence to become president in order to make money. Sure. And they're not quite as pernicious. They're not nearly as pernicious. But I just find them so frustrating. And then like the other thing that for me, that's my, that's my bias that I'm approaching all this with. It's not a bias. It's, you know.

But then there's some stuff that I'm like, wow, that's really nice. Like, I fucking love these flowers on Kylie Jenner's dining room table. Let's talk about the houses because as you pointed out, as aesthetically, the Kardashians are extremely influential. And like, this is, they have bad taste. These houses are tacky. These houses are not. only tacky, but they are just completely devoid of original thought.

It is very clear that Kylie and Chris, but especially Kylie, just hired a designer who is put together like the most popular pictures on Pinterest as her reference photos or Pinterest and Instagram. There's more of an Instagram vibe than a Pinterest vibe. Yeah, for sure. The neon colors are a big part of that. And literally, she hired an art advisor who just Googled the term art and then bought the four people that she heard of.

We'll go picture by picture, but it is so completely devoid of taste or style or anything personalized. Yeah, but they know personalization. Yeah. Exactly. It's also. It's also not a home. And a lot of celebrity homes are like this, but this is an extreme example of someone who doesn't spend that much time in her own home. And therefore, therefore, it doesn't actually need to be functional or comfortable. It just needs to peddle an image that you sell to architectural digest. 100%. It's completely visual. So let's talk about soup. This is the lead photo in the article, and it's of her dining room, and it's definitely the most visually arresting. Are you familiar with sketch, Juliet? In London? Yes.

Yes. It's a place to have tea, like British tea, but it's not the formal kind because it's, like, for Instagram. Right. And it's like the most Instagram place in the world. Exactly. Yes, it is. My friend and I considered going, and I'm pleased to say, we went for tea at the Goring Hotel, which is where Kate stayed the night before her wedding. And I highly recommend it. Bottomless champagne, bottomless tea.

And most importantly, bottomless. Firmless finger sandwiches and desserts. Great place. The Goring Hotel Tea, I recommend it. Let me just say, I wouldn't have judged you if you had been to Sketch because while Sketch is the most Instagram place in the world and anyone who, not anyone, but many people who go to London make a point of going and then taking a picture, I'm into the design of sketch.

There's an argument to me. There's a really great piece in the New Yorker by Lauren Collins about... That's one of your faves. Yes. She's so talented. And she wrote a piece about India Madavi, who is the artist, but really furniture designer, architectural designer, who built the pink couches that are in sketch. And the piece kind of makes the argument that Inima Davi and Sketch invented millennial pink. Oh, interesting.

And I think that's definitely true, and it's a really interesting piece I recommend it. But also, these couches are, this is a sketch rip-off in Kylie Jenner's home. Except instead of, in sketch, there are amazing, there's amazing artwork by David Shrigley, who's an artist I really love. Yeah, he's great. And instead, you have this freaking bullshit Damien Hearst art in the wall. So, like... And also, the light fixture, that's like not a chandelier, but it's like, it looks like it is like a beauty salon inspired lighting fixture for a restaurant and like not a home. Like, there's nothing like warm about it. There's nothing inviting about this room where you're like, this is where I want to come with my friends and family and share like a home cooked meal or even takeout for that matter.

Because man, do I love sharing takeout with my family. But like there's just, this is not a room that you would really want to spend time in. You'd want to take pictures there and then leave. Yeah. And, you know, I don't mind a beautiful room for the sake of a beautiful room. Sure. We have a whole segment on this podcast called Real Estate Corner. Sure.

And I literally just did a five-minute disposition on sketch. So, like, you know, people in glass houses. But it's just, it's a really bad, obvious, uninspired, interpretation of something that is interesting and exciting. And it's just kind of like playing designer Madlips. Yeah. Also, I want to talk with these chairs. These are like wraparound chairs. I don't know the formal title of them. This is like a trend. These kind of like really kind of a leather or upholstered chairs that are like a U shape that you that like kind of like wrap around your whole body. And I really don't like them. I went to a restaurant in the Palisades Village, which I made you

go to one time. Oh, that was a nice time that we had. Yeah. It was lovely. And I had a good meal at the restaurant, but I sat at the bar, and the chairs were like this, like, you shaped. And I just felt like my, like, butt, like, was, like, tight in them. Like, it just, like, wasn't enough space. It's almost like, it was weird to me. I was like, why would you buy these chairs of, like, not everyone can sit in them? And also seems like a lower back. Yeah. Yeah. And really hard to get in and out of. Yeah. It would be better at this table because there's more space in between them, but they were hard to get in and out of. And also, this chair has three legs. I guarantee these are hard to maneuver. They need wheels. I can just tell. Got to put wheels on

these bad boys. Yeah, you can't put wheels over a rug, though. Just it's not functional to our point. I don't totally mind this rug, to be honest. The rug's fine. Here's what I want to say. I do not judge people for taking inspiration from Instagram and for other people. And you see something that you like and you want to have something in your home. I do that all the time. It's not like I'm some design visionary. I did not invent millennial pink. I just bought a lot of it like all the other sheeple. And that's because I like the color and it brings me joy. And it. I like seeing something in my home, but it's just so clear that this doesn't come from any personal connection to anything that is in this dining room. It's just like someone pointed at a lot of different items on the internet.

I agree. Let's move on to the glam room. Okay. So she has a glam room. It's like probably where she puts on makeup. It looks like perhaps this was just like a leftover room that maybe they kind of threw together for this photo shoot. It has like a mirror with the extra lights, very close sort of like a modern. take on the makeup mirror lights.

It says plastic and like a neon sign. And then two pink beauty parlor chairs, some Barbie art. And that's Maryland as well, right? And then it's obviously staged for this photo with some extra wigs. And Kylie is wearing a pink outfit. And there's like a shag rug. And it's kind of very like, what is this? Like 70s inspired.

And it's boring. I don't know. This is like, there's nothing. This looks like a Barbie ad to me more than anything else. It looks like a Barbie dream house for a real-life person. Yeah. I think it's a decent photo. But as a, it's certainly not memorable.

No. And as a place to live, I don't know, couldn't be me, but I wouldn't have a glam room either. Me neither. And there's another photo next door of the staircase upstairs that honestly looks like it's from a different house than the first two pictures, in my opinion. Yes. It's all white. It has a completely impractical fendee stroller that, like, based on when I know about being a parent and seeing my friend's strollers. I don't know why you use this one.

I'm sure she doesn't. This is all, like, unbelievably staged. Yeah. And then some Andy Warhol's screen prints of Marilyn Monroe up the stairs. And that's just like, that's as boring as it can get. Yeah. Can I just, can we do the art run through really quickly? And I, listen, I am not an art expert and I don't mean to.

sound like a snob, and it's also not like I could afford any of these. But okay, we got Andy Warhol, we got Damien Hearst, we got a Basquiat, we got some Tracy Emin, but it's neon, which this like looks like it's on Instagram, even though that's an artist you've heard of. This is really the laziest art advising in history. And I guess as investment, you know, I suppose a bunch of warhols and Damien Hearst is an investment. It looks... Those aren't original warhols, though. That's a good point. I just, I'm kind of, there's no thought into this. It looks staged. It looks like Airbnb. Yeah. Yeah. It's, she has like a reading room. It's called Bar Lounge, which, like, I would probably use as a reading room. But, like,

it's all of these books, and I hate this trend. It's just books that she's obviously never going to open, and they're just there for decoration. Yeah. It's like, it's kind of like, Tashan is lucky that this happened because it keeps Toshan in business with their big coffee table books. And like there's no place in this spread of a room you'd actually

want to spend time in. And most of the celebrity homes that we see, there's at least one space you're like, yeah, I'd like to spend time there. Even the bathroom, which has a pretty cool bathtub in my opinion right in front of a really big window, which I absolutely love that kind of thing. The accent color

is like hot pink. and it's just not soothing at all. It's like not someone who's actually looking to like relax in their bathroom at any time. Yeah, I do like the window. The window is amazing and the bathtub is deep and cool. I really like that. But it's again, like not a place to spend any time. Probably the most ridiculous room is the other bar,

which has a painting by Alec Monopoly of Kylie. There's condom art by Bow Dunn and a St. Laurent surfboard. I mean, this is just like this looks like a picture from a hotel of like a cool English hotel today. Yes, yes, totally, like in the lobby and then you never want to spend any time in there. And you're like, well, maybe I can switch to a courtyard by Marriott instead. Yeah, it's just what you said is true. It's basically like a personalized Instagram playground. She's never actually going to live in this.

It's just to take photos in. I'm sure that there are back rooms where they actually live. And I think this is why I have so much resentment and hostile towards the Kardashians is because there's just like, there's nothing relatable or practical about it. And I guess that's the point of celebrity is like they're special and they're extraordinary and they're rarefied. But I just think that like fixating on them, I just kind of like don't get it. There's nothing fun in this family to me or appealing because they're just so out of touch and their attempts on their TV show and like in their photo shoots to like seem like a normal. family. I'm just like, why waste the time on this at this point? Like, I don't know. It's just, like, it's just so frustrating. I have, I have a theory about this and it's also a

question. Well, not a theory. I do think some of it is that their primary appeal to a lot of people is still entertainment. I think people want to know what's happening. People want the gossip, and they are pretty good at providing a stream of gossip that you don't have to feel bad about consuming because they're willing participants in it. So there are people watching the show or following them on like Instagram or Snapchat that I don't know whether people are differentiating between just watching them out of curiosity and wanting to be them. I suppose in this case, like we're excluding all of the true stands and the people who are like really committed, of which there are many, but there are also many stands of a lot of

different public figures at this point. It's a weird brand of online existence that you exist as someone who like runs a account devoted to Megan Markle, which like a lot of people do. But what I think is interesting, have you noticed, wow, this is loaded, but I'm not thinking of any one person, so it's fine. What's your take on the trends in women's makeup right now? Have you noticed anything? I've noticed, like, thick, darkened eyebrows is, like, really in. I feel like extreme contouring is really in. Yeah. And then kind of, like, lips and eyes are sort of, like, more, neutral for like extent or like neutral colors but like collagen lips are like really in right now.

Yeah, the lips and the especially like it's like a glossy collagen look opposed to like the Taylor Swift like red lip of or for that's for that matter, Alexander Acacio-Cortez. Yeah. That's like almost like a little bit more like the bright red is sort of like a kind of like the workers look at this point. It's kind of weird. The lip kits are really out in force. It's kind of what I feel like.

And that's a huge Kylie Jenner thing. Yes. And I don't think that everyone is buying the Kylie Jenner lip kit. No. But it's an aesthetic that everyone's like bought into. Yeah. And I think it's fascinating to me how the aesthetic has filtered down because now I look around and I see it in a bunch of places where like I don't think those people are referencing the Kardashians or referencing anything related to the Kardashians. Because we should keep in mind that the Kardashians are always ripping off other people and particularly women of color. Sure.

But it is interesting how I just the level of their platform and their. and their influence and the trickle down of it all is it's everywhere. And I don't know that people are conscious of that. Like I don't think that there are people wearing that kind of big lip who are like, yes, this is because I too believe in the power of Kylie Jenner. I think a lot of people don't. But they are that famous and that influential that they can just really move trends without consciousness. It's fascinating.

I know. I mean, and the lip kits are wide. wildly successful. I think with younger women and like teenagers that I don't encounter that much, but I know they're like crazy, crazy successful. And it's true, like, the collagen, like, lip kit look as like the focal point of your face is like really in right now. And I think contouring also like contributes to that because it creates like a shape to like to draw your eye there. Not that I know how to do that. In fact, I've been wearing less makeup than ever before. So yesterday I had to explain no makeup makeup to two of our male colleagues. And I'm but I

I was like, this is hilarious that I'm trying to explain this to you because I have no idea how it works. The one thing that I wear is Trish McAvoy instant eye lift. It actually is amazing. It's like, what does it do? It's just a concealer for under eyes and it just like gets rid of some darkness. And I feel like it makes a huge difference. But that's literally like all I feel I have energy for.

I can't imagine aspiring to this kind of look because it takes, as Cardi B attested to yesterday when she said it took a cost $100,000 a month to look like her. this look and this aesthetic is completely unreasonable. And, like, is not, it's crazy that there's such a business made off of aspiring to look like it. Yes, though counterpoint. Because I was going to say, you and I are not huge makeup people. I basically don't know how to wear it if you want to, like, send me some, like, constructive, positive DMs. I would totally let me know.

I would love some tutorials and a makeover if anyone wants to help me out. You got to keep in mind that I'm, like, extraordinarily lazy. So it can't be an extended process. But as long as you're kind and supportive, let me know. But that said, everything that I just said is true, but is also an affirmative choice that has to do with my own understandings of aesthetics. Sure. And the associations and underlying sociological implications of no makeup versus a lot of makeup versus and who I am as a woman and a consumer. Sure.

And, you know, I was about to say the only makeup that I reliably wear is the Glacier Boy Brow, which like says everything that you need to. know about me. Right. And I don't know that my way of entering. I don't think that's true, by the way. Don't reduce yourself to one product. Well, thank you. But I just, I think.

I understand what you're getting at. Yeah. And they're like I, everything that you said about the Kardashians is 100% true. But I think someone who is looking at them and making certain decisions is making aesthetic decisions in the same way that I am. Sure. I just obviously value my own aesthetics more than some other people. Yeah.

It's not like either of us have opted out of the culture of like choosing what you. you look like in the morning. Well, that's true. You know, and even choosing to be like, I'm not going to care or I'm not going to care what I wear, I'm not going to care about wearing makeup or whatever. Like you said, like that's a choice too. I just think I really struggle with the popularity of choosing to look like a Kardashian or the aspiration to.

Yeah, it's not totally my aesthetic choice. And I think especially, you know, I worry about the people who do actually live their life by the Kardashians. Sure. Because as you pointed out, it's all smoke and mirrors, and these people have a lot of resources and opportunities that most people do not. Yeah. So to choose to model yourself on a Kardashian is putting up a lot of obstacles for yourself. It seems unfair.

We'll get into Chris's house in a second. Yeah. And perhaps be less existential. Who is to say. But I will say like kind of an overarching theme from looking at Kylie's house is the continuing narrative of Kylie is not like anyone else. She is a billionaire. Like, this is a home of someone who can do whatever she wants is incredibly talented and is only 21. I mean, it just, it is so absurd.

And I do think that the Barbie prints were intentional. Like, this is sort of like the dream house writ large. Like, if you look at her kitchen, which is in the slideshow, it's number 11, there's like a little play car, which is presumably for her daughter in there. And she's wearing like a kind of ridiculous robe. And she just, she looks like a doll. This looks like a gigantic dollhouse to me. and it's so fake. This is like not a real human.

Yeah. And I think it's so stark because though architectural digress, I think like in the sort of like luxury interior magazine space is known more for being like for celebrity and less about actual architecture. So many of the homes are like places you'd actually want to be in. Like Arod's house still think about it. And like that was super modern and super polished and fancy, but like really nice. Mandy Moore's house still think about that too. Yeah, as our producer, Kaya said, and Kaya, like, you are still assigned to this.

You could write a dissertation comparing the aesthetics of Manny Moore's house to the aesthetics of Kylie Jenner's house, which Kaya, please do that. Yeah. And that's also obviously not like a zero-sum summary of, like, aesthetics also. But it's just a really different approach of being famous and loading cameras into your home. Yeah. Let's move on to Chris's house. I just want to note, because I, like with the president, I avoid.

the sound of Christianer's voice at all costs. So I didn't watch the video. But she got the video inside her house. There's no Kylie video, but there is a Chris one. Did you happen to watch it? No, I didn't. And in fact, I have not looked at Chris's home until this moment. Oh, great.

This is a real-time response. AV presentation, but you can at least hear me like grunt. Sure. So a lot of people pointed out that she has like a large baking sheet in her living room, which accurate. Yeah. And it's like up against the wall over the fireplace. It reminded me also of like the little. dishes that like urban outfitters and other places sell to like hold your jewelry that are totally

like without purpose but very cute. You know what? Keep your keys in those. Sure. The lifesaver. I really do recommend that. Good idea. Okay. Chris's living room is immediately more livable than Kylie's. It's like not even like. Like I would happily take a nap in the sun on one of her couch. Yes. So it looks nice. I actually like a lot. Like her living room I actually like. It has a sort of mid-century modern but I was sorry. Just to really add to the live blog experience, I accidentally was clicking through a slideshow of how you two can buy the items in Chris Jenner's home, which is also in this, and everything's like $8,000 to $20,000, just FYI. Yeah, I know.

It's completely insane. Her kitchen has really nice cabinets, really nice. They, it's, um... How do you feel about these dark cabinets? I like, I like it. It's a real trend. I like it. I'm reminded of, uh, Kirsten Dunst's New York apartment.

Remember that? That was like, that's a throwback. Sure. It's, they're popping up a lot of places. And so there's some, I like it as well. And I think it works here especially with like... There's so much light and white walls, yeah. Yeah.

But in general, I don't know if it would be for me. If you live in a small apartment or home... Yeah. It's not a good idea to have dark cabinets. But if you live in a big place with like soaring ceilings and go for it. Yeah. And Chris's style, while Kylie's was like very much like pop art on steroids, this is very much like California meets Japan.

And I have to say I like it. Yes, I do. It's also way more functional. It's more functional. And there is more of... a choice here as opposed to just a collage of popular things. I'm looking at these built-in desks. Those are completely unusable.

No one will sit at those. Your knee is going to bang against the wall. But I do like built-in bookshelves and other things. I do too. And it's a good space saver. Yeah. But this house actually has some consideration, which maybe Chris did,

so she obviously is shrewd and makes a lot of choices. Round dining room table, which is definitely the preferred way to sit with a large group of people. And I have to say I really, really like this painting that's in the dining room. by Yoshitomo Nara, who's not an artist I'm familiar with. Oh, yes, I like it as well. Okay. It is very nice.

Yeah, like, this is a nice room. This is, like, actually a house I would spend time in. Yeah, there's a little too much. I'm clicking through now to, like, the living room, like, the granite, like, let's calm down, you know, or marble or whatever it is. I'm not into marble personally. Okay. I love the home theater that she has. It looks really comfortable, and it isn't too big.

I don't like when someone's home theater is, like, I can accommodate 20. Because, like, how often do you want 15 people to come over to watch a movie in your house? Just not that often. Though I will say I went to a small screening room yesterday to see a movie. And I was like, if I had this in my house, I would use it all the time. I think I would become one of the great film watchers, you know? Sure. If I had the opportunity.

I've heard that's a lovely room. It is, yeah. I do like the indoor out there aspect. I love doors that can just be thrown open. Yeah. You know, like, basically in a nutshell, my living aesthetic is, like, to live somewhere in some kind of house where you can just, like, throw the doors open and let the nice weather in. I don't care for the marble bar.

Me neither. I don't like that either. But I like that her chairs at her bar have backs. That's crucial. Nice to your guests. This is like... It's a nice house. It's nice.

It's not visionary. No. It's certainly more livable. Her bathroom is dope. Giant glass and shower with the baths. I haven't gotten there yet, but wow, look at that closet. Her closet's huge. I do like the bathroom.

Her glam room is really weird. I know. Closet is pretty impressive. Like, this closet honestly looks very similar to the fashion closet and Devil Wars Prada, which is funny. And to be honest, like, maybe that was an inspiration. You can't rule it out. I mean, I just, the lit shelves is so expensive and such a huge investment. You have to be expecting people to come and look at it because otherwise it's a place of money.

Yeah. Can we go back to the master bedroom for something? Certainly. This is like two steps. This bed is like two steps away from a dorm room. Make your bed. Like, what is this? It's all obel.

Everything looks dirty and slouchy. Is this even a king-sized bed? Why are you Chris Jenner if you don't have a king-size bed? It looks like a queen. This is baffling to me. Also, I don't like a-pulstered wallpaper, which is what she has, basically. It's like a pulmonary walls. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I guess that could be kind of soothing and the sound is that. That's not my main problem. My main problem is that this just looks like you have a mattress on the floor. You're Chris Jenner. I know. What's it all for? Four poster or something. California King?

least just some crisp linens, you know? I love the like built-in headboard that we've seen from some slabs. Yes. I feel I could work really well in this room, but she should have done it. I should say the other thing, my aesthetic in addition to being able to fling open the doors is kingbed. Yeah. That's it. If you can get it, I mean. That's, I've yet to have room for that, but I. Nor do I. But I dream. Like one day, maybe if I work hard enough and dream big enough, you can do it, Amanda. Thank you. I appreciate your support. I'm ready to move on from this topic. This has really worn me out emotionally because I just hate them so much.

I felt like you did a great job. You hung in there. We made some larger points. I have to admit that Chris Jenner has a nice home. It sucks. It's fine. It's fine. It's nice.

We would both live there. It is certainly not the best home that's ever been in the pages of architectural digest or in real estate corner. I just, off the top of your head, what's your favorite house we've discussed together? I mean, in terms of... But you'd actually want to live in. Oh, I like the Banymore House. It's really nice. Mine's still Jemima Kirk's brownstone that she had to sell.

Yeah. I love that. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. Oh, the Leonardo DiCaprio house. The Leonardo DiCaprio house, which isn't even designed. It's just like that is quite literally my dream house, sitting on a hill and Silver Lake waiting for me. Yeah, it's great stuff. Let's move on.

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And while I'm happy for her, I mostly just feel like a big like, huh? What? So here's the deal. We're just going to be very straightforward about this. They've been dating for eight months. Not long enough.

As you know, because you have listened this long in jam session, you are a devoted jam session listener. This does not meet my standards. You have to have been dating someone for a year before you to see. I'd get married. Yeah, it's pretty short.

Also, how old is she? She is 28. Okay, that's... That's fine. He's 34. Cool. Maybe they could move in together. That would be an okay step for me at eight months.

Okay. You know, you live in New York, you got to worry about space. Sure. I mean, it's a big concern for her. Well, but it's 2019. Like, I don't know what to say. I can't be the grandma who's like, don't move in together. I know.

What do you think about the kind of, like, hip actresses of the last, like, seven years? kind of going with these like lesser famous guys. Like I feel like Emma Stone is similar. I feel like this is now Jennifer Lawrence. I feel like it's kind of a trend of like these like, I hate this phrase, but like these boss bitches just kind of like really going for a regular guy. Regularish. Someone who can hang in their world but is not famous on his own.

Yeah. He's a high profile gallerist per us weekly. He works at Gladstone, right? Yeah. Yeah. So that means he's rich, first of all. Sort of. I don't think he like owns it.

No, but he's comfortable around rich people. Yes, certainly. He's conversant and is possibly in some ways a guide for Jennifer Lawrence through worlds that she was catapulted into, but maybe didn't have like a great entry point. So he can hang with her most places and probably makes her more comfortable. I mean, her last boyfriend was Darren Aronofsky. So, like. Which is laughable to go from Darren Aronovsky to like just a guy who's comfortable with rich people.

It's not laughable. It makes so much sense. If any of us dated Darren Aronovsky, we would try to go find the most normal ass, non-threatening, happy to hang out with person. Can you imagine dating Darren Aronovsky, the most pretentious director? No. Like, oh my God. And agreeing to be in mother, exclamation point for him.

Yeah, and going through that whole process and also sleeping with the dude? Like, no, it couldn't be me. So this seems like an extremely natural rebound searching for characteristics and relationship that she did not find with Darren Aronovsky. I mean, maybe she found the person who meets her deans and sparks. joy for her. Or maybe she's marrying her rebound. Or maybe she's marrying her rebound. And who could know? No. You know what? Here's the thing. We don't know at this point because it's only been eight months. You're so right. Do you think they'll actually get married?

That seems like debatable. Though I don't know. The thing about like rich people is that there's no consequence. A divorce is expensive for many people, but for rich people are just like whatever. Right. And they can also like pull a wedding together whenever. I'm sure it'll be like a quiet secret affair. It's not like her wedding's going to be in People magazine. Right. Because Jennifer Lawrence really has taken a step back from the spotlight as well. Big time. Which is another reason I get she wants to do a normal person.

She wants to not deal with celebrity. That part I understand. I just like... One thing I do like about this is her schick was always like, I'm a regular girl. I like Vanderpump rules and I fart. And this is sort of like a regular girl thing to do, which is like cool. Sort of, he's an art advisor. He like works at Gladstone Gallery.

That's... I feel like in New York this is sort of like a kind of like a... Makes sense. It's not that normal. It's like pretentious normal. Sure. How about that? It's pretentious normal.

But she went from straight pretentious to pretentious normal. Okay, that's fine. I accept. I don't think this is going to last. I think that perhaps I could be duped into pretentious normal, don't you think? I don't even think you would be duped. After eight months, though, I would be like, eh, I'm over it. I've had a taste of this pretentious normal and I'm ready to move on.

I think pretentious normal could be a good match for you as long as the balance of pretentious and normal is right. And also, as long as, like, as long as his. is pretentious meets your normal. Sure. And your elevated. Thanks for getting caught pretentious. How about that? That was so diplomatic and well done.

Great, great work by you. Okay. Next couple. Yes. Pete Davidson, Kate Beck and Sale, have been seen together and photographed together in the Daily Mail several times over the last week. It's not been that long.

But man, does she like a younger man? Shout it to Kate Beck and Sale. I support it. She also went to the hospital last week, I believe, for a cyst. exploding, which is actually kind of common. I feel like that's a woman's health thing that's not discussed. A lot of women get cysts on their ovaries, and they do often, like, explode.

Yes. And it's like not that dangerous, but really painful. Yes. And so, kind of crazy. But Pete and Kate. Well, can I just say, going back to the ovarian cysts, we know this. She Instagram from the hospital. Well, she Instagram from the hospital, but her Instagram is a picture of a Google News

results that is, the headline is Kate Beckinsale hospitalized for ruptured ovarian cyst. And it's a picture of Kate Middleton at a green. reading that day. It was she Instagram that. She's funny. And like literally at the end of it, she just says back to resume my royal duties, William says hi. She's very good at Instagram. I'm like pro Kate Beck and Sale. And that's why we've talked a lot about if Kate Beck and sale were a man dating a much younger woman, we would, you know, make fun of her as we do Leonardo DiCaprio. There is something about her self-awareness that makes me, I mean, also she's a woman and there's like a reverse double standard or whatever, like feel how you want to feel.

There is also something about her self-awareness more generally that makes me think that she kind of does what she's doing. She's very much a part of the lip trend. Her picture from the hospital bed versus some from a couple of weeks earlier. Like, oh, that's new. But cool. Shout out to her. I had an interaction with Kate back in sale over the summer at the restaurant, Craggs. It was about 2 a.m.

I met up with some mutual friends. I suppose she was leaving. I was arriving. You're arriving at Craigs at 2 a.m. It was the one night over the summer that I stayed. out till four. Can I just like, okay, we'll all fly it on that unless you want to share it right now. But like, arriving at Craigs at 2 a.m. It was like 130. Is that's a flex. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah. It's not something I've done since, nor do I see myself doing it again. Okay. What's the scene like at

Craig's at 130? I was, I met up with some friends who were friends with Craig, the owner. So they were like there after hours. And then I had like a lovely conversation about books about one of like the guys who works there. His name was Peter. Okay. It was like a lovely conversation I think about like John Irving. Great. It then ended with me trying to get a sandwich at Fat Salas in Westwood. It was a long night. Okay. Let me tell you. I don't have a lot of those nor do I. I don't see that happening in 2019. Anyway, Kate Beckins on the way out. And I was with some friends, many of them male. And like she, like, she was leaving and I like kind of like took her seat at the table. And so that's, this is kind of a brag. I don't mean it to be. But I'm just saying like that's sort of

her scene. She's like out and about. She's hanging and yeah, she's out here. I was for one night only. I was for one night only. That was her only night. No, I'm just saying for me. For her, I think we have the pictures. It's not the only night. Fair enough. Okay. But what do you think about Kate and Pete? Where does Kate stand in Pete's rebound world? I'm just, I don't like talking Pete Davidson and I'm so worried about him. It makes me nervous. I'm just like, oh, he's okay. Again, I think that there could be worst people in his life than Kate Beck and Salem. Like, as far as rebounds go, she seems fairly together and self-aware. I mean, she's definitely got a wacky side. Sure. You know, I'm okay with it. As long as everyone is happy and feels safe in their arrangement, then who might have judged? That's kind of what I got.

You're such a great person, Amanda. Moving on to other things that make you feel happy. Okay. The Oscars breakfast. lunch, breakfast, what time is it? It was a lunch, you're right. It was an Oscar's lunch. Actually, in fact, I believe it was on ABC and it was on Monday. Yeah. Rob Mills, who was on Bachelor Party, went from here to that.

Okay. I'm pretty sure. Okay. I think you wouldn't be mad if I said that. I mostly wanted to discuss with you because of people's fashions. Yes. The Daily Mail, because she's British, had a lot of photos of Rachel Weiss. Yes.

Did you happen to see her? I did. She was wearing the high ruffle neck dress. It kind of reminded me of the Seinfeld Puffy shirt, but as a dress. Yes. I was not a fan and it was disappointing because A, I love Rachel Weiss and B, her wardrobe in the favorite is so impeccable. Have you seen it? Yes, of course.

Yeah. The clothes. Like the vest? The embroidered vest. The embroidered vest. Her shooting outfits I just, I die for. Yeah. I simply die for.

But I mean, you don't want her to go in costume, do you? No, but I just think of her as being well-dressed. And so I was very upset to see her in this horribly horrible dress. I liked it. I just felt like she could do better. I mean, she could, but, you know, it's also like a lunchtime situation. It's hard, right, because you want, there's definitely going to be a red carpet. You're going to be photographed, but it's also daytime.

So you're trying to bridge casual and evening wear. I thought it was like a fashion forward statement. I thought she looked nice. Like, no one else could wear that dress. Everyone would. It's true. I have a question for you. Yes.

If you were an Oscar nominated person. Yes. Would you want to have a unified theme for all of your Oscar-related appearances, or would you want to really like mix it up. Like, my style icon, 2018, 19 is Sertia Ronan. Her stylist deserves several awards. She looks fantastic all the time

with a lot of different kinds of looks. Yes. And would you want to have more of like a sort of like set style or be more varied? Well, I feel like Surchas had a lot of different fashion looks and a pretty uniform glam look. Yeah. It's been slicked back. She's been doing a makeup thing that's not the Kardashian makeup thing.

But it's still quite striking. Yes. And I think that's useful to kind of have some consistency because like all of these appearances are for an end goal, which is selling yourself to a group of people to vote for you. And so you don't want to be changing all the time or else they'll be confused, basically. Like simplicity is key here. Right. I think fashion wise, I think it would probably be maybe consistent instead of uniform. I would try to find something that I, I think. through line, which would be as much for my own comfort. Sure. I would find this like unbelievably stressful. And so... The Oscars economy.

I mean, you talk about this. Yeah. On the big picture is just... Exhaust. Yeah. It's wild. But I think it would also make me feel more confident just because, you know, clothes give a sense of self.

At least they do for me. And so if I had clothes that fit in a certain umbrella, I'd be like, okay, now I know what I need to go do. I need to go talk to millions of people. Sure. I've been trying to dress better in 2019. And to your point, it does. like informed sense of self and like approach to the day. At least it does for me. It certainly does for

me. I spend like far too much time thinking about clothes. Me too. I lie in bed before I get up thinking like, what should I wear today? Yeah. And I also, I tend to be sort of, I have a uniform, you know? I have things that I rotate. Sure. In and out. And they are all of a of a style and of an idea. Few or better. Yeah, but it's just, that's just easier for me because then I don't have to worry about it. I put it on. I know I'm going to look how I look. And many of the most successful humans follow that rule. Yeah. To eliminate having to choose an outfit, they just wear the same thing.

That's with steep jobs. And Barack Obama famously did. Obama luckily still alive. I made it sound like he was not. Can I say one more thing about the Oscars lunch? Yeah. I want to talk about Mark Ronson, of course. Oh, okay.

We'll do fashion and then we'll do my thing. Yeah. Go ahead. Mark Ronson was there. He seems so bemused and, like, slightly uncomfortable being an Oscar nominee. It's so, it's a wonderful, it's wonderful to behold. He's so incredibly successful. And he obviously made a conscious decision to increase his profile as a artistic person because he has his own record coming out this year.

Like, nothing breaks his heart is a Miley Cyrus song, but it's on a Mark Ronson CD. Yes. It's like very, I feel like he was like inspired by the success of DJ College or something like that. Well, that's also uptown funk was the same way. Yes. Yeah. And it's, you know, a trend. And he, part of his bemusement is also just sort of like doing like all of the things you have to do.

So at the Oscars brunch, she walks up to the risers for them to take the picture. He just seems so uncomfortable with it. It's so funny to me. And what I just couldn't get over is what my father would call a summer wait suit. And it's like a tan kind of khakiish color suit with like a bright green shirt. And it really is like kind of like a summer wedding style. Like send that guy to Southampton. He's ready to go.

And I just thought it was kind of funny. He's really doing his own thing and like making this experience his own. And I, you know, you're squirming as I talk about Margron at length. Because you love him so much. I do. Well, as I said to you when you were like, it's winter-wise, he wearing this suit, be the change that you want to see in the weather, Juliet. It's really cold in Los Angeles.

Perhaps he would like pick it out before it became, you know, near Arctic for Los Angeles temperatures. It's 40 degrees. We're fine. But he's always been like a pretty fashion forward guy. That's part of his appeal. Yeah, he was wearing like wide leg pants for a while. And then he moved on once went mainstream.

Yeah. And he's like quite. He's kind of an original hipster as well Certainly Maybe the original hipster Yeah and a lot Like from that downtown Yeah

Like early 2000 scene I once saw him at the Brooklyn Hip Hop Festival in like 2005 He was like a few feet away for me And I didn't know who he was And I said to my brother I was like who's that fucking hipster over there And he was like it's Mark Ronson

And I was like oh Okay Yeah I thought he looked nice I mean what else are you gonna do I mean what you should do Is where Mahershala Ali just looked Spot on amazing

I mean, that man can wear anything, but that's what you should do. Like, I thought that he looked fine. You mentioned something that I wanted to bring up, which is I have seen, so this is a tradition. It happens every year at the Oscars, and at the end they take a class photo, which is always released. And, you know, you can read a lot of blogs analyzing the class photo. But I was not aware until this year that people are called up one by one for the class photo and everyone else applauds. Yeah. That takes a really long time.

It's like 100 people. Over 100. Yeah. I had no idea. That's how I got to see Mark Ronson walking up there. Totally. There's a lot of footage of various people walking up. Anyway, I didn't know.

It seems like they could be more efficient about it. But I guess it is nice for every Oscar nominee to at least have the moment of being applauded for even if they're not going to win. I think the idea of the Oscar class is not, like, discussed enough. Okay. Is there like a, we've been through. Because I think kind of famously, Barry Jenkins and Damien Chiselle sort of like went through it together the first year. and they were like, because they were like in the same class because you do see each other at all the events.

But I just feel like it is like a thing. It's like a draft class in the NBA. Like, yeah, we went through like the combine and like the draft stuff together. Right. It's kind of interesting. And we're competing against each other. But also especially at these, at the Oscars things,

you're expected to like charm and schmooze and like befriend other people and talk about, you know, it's the tradition in the Oscars speech to like thank the fellow nominees. Sure. Like it's been such a joy to get to know you over the past few months. But they are competing against each other. Only one person can win.

There can only be one. Yeah. Which brings us to our final topic of the day. Yes. In my mind, because I'm psychotic, I'm like, there can only be one true best friend. And for Matt Damon, I've always thought it was Ben Affleck. Right. But there's so much evidence to the contrary, including right now, the Hemsworths and the Damans have arrived in Byron Bay for their winter vacation.

Yes. And I just, I wish I could sit down Matt Damon and be like, who is your best friend? Is it Chris Hemsworth or is it Ben Affleck? Which is such a shallow and juvenile view of friendship, I just, I want to admit. But I just, that's where my mind goes. Well, I was thinking a lot about this. And you can't discount the wives in this. Sure.

Because Matt and Ben is a pre-marriage friendship, very old friendship. And all of these photos, the couples are very much together. Yes. And couple friends. Luciana and Elsa seem to really enjoy each other. But like, there's a difference between a couple friends and like real friends. Yeah. I think the other complicating factor.

and I only say this based on listening to my favorite podcast of all time, Matt Damon's appearance on the Bill Simmons podcast. Yes, excellent podcasts. So fucking good. I just, I could wish it had been so many more hours. Matt obviously loves Jennifer Gardner. Like, there's no question in my mind. And I just feel like that's really complicated, you know?

It's tough as I work through it every day because I too love Ben and Jen. And I would assume also that that foursome had a good thing going. I know. It means a lot when you're best friends with someone. and then you can get along with their partner, right? And if there's like, if you have a partner in the mix and all four of you get along together, I mean, that, like, barely ever happens. I know, very infrequent.

So I think it is probably also mourning a phase of life as much of any, as anything else. That's a great point. I just want a point. I want to note that Elsa and Chris were running errands in Byron Bay, barefoot. Like, is that a thing you do there? Is it so beachy? I'm, like, obsessed with going there. I really want to go.

It's so funny because it has all of the things that I'm interested in, like beach life. Yeah. And warm weather when it's not warm weather where I actually live. And I just don't, I'm not interested. Maybe I'll go winter 2020. Okay. That could be a goal for me. That sounds great.

I've never went to Australia. Nor have I. It seems so nice now. And they're having like extremely hot temperatures, as you may have read about. It does seem like they're very casual there. Yes. And that seems nice. Totally.

It's, you know, the barefoot thing is much like in Hawaii. you could do that and no one would blink an eye. Yeah. It's just kind of relaxed. And Lord knows I could use more of that in my life. I'd love to go to Hawaii. We've really covered a lot on this jam session. I feel great about it.

Me too. Thanks for listening. We'll be back in two weeks. Thanks, everyone.