The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Cape Fear’ Episode 6: The Bowden Backrooms

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

Jo and Rob take a trip to recap the sixth episode of ‘Cape Fear.’ (0:00) Intro (2:56) Mailbag check-in (7:54) The black-and-white flashback (14:14) What’s happening with Zack? (17:30) New characters (21:43) Max Cady (34:20) Macrodosin’ (52:30) There’s something in the walls (58:25) The ‘Cape Fear’ corkboard! Email us! [e-mail] or [e-mail] Follow us on IG and TikTok! Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of ‘The Prestige TV Podcast’ and so much more! Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Producers: Kai Grady and Devon Renaldo Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast. We're here to talk to you about Cape Fear. The episode is called Possum. This is episode six of the season. How are you feeling? I couldn't have been more excited to see the episode title. And I was just waiting all throughout the episode. Like, is this going to be the actual possum or is it going to be a metaphorical possum?

Probably both, but definitely a literal possum. Definitely a literal possum. This episode is written by Brian Evanson and directed by Trey Eiffon. Edward Schultz, who has directed a number of films, including Kretia, it comes at night, waves. Kresha, for the drug trip aspect of, not that Kretia's about that, but just sort of like his ability to do claustrophobic, family, the walls are closing in kind of storytelling. This is a really good match of episode to director. And it comes at night for like the battened down the hatches like dread that looms over,

really this entire show, but definitely this episode. Absolutely. We are drinking something special in this episode. No free ads at all. And Savannah Coffee Roasters did not send us this coffee. But our listener, Tim, from Savannah, did send us some, like, Savannah Coffee Roasters good and evil beans. Yes. And so we have brooded up.

He also sent us to Go Gups from the Savannah Coffee Roasters. They're really quite beautiful. They are beautiful. If you're watching this on video, you can see them. If not, just listen to us, sip them, I guess. But we're going to try the call. We have not tried it yet. we brewed it. I brewed it. You did. I might have brewed it poorly. No. But we made some coffee and we're going to drink it on a microphone. Is this podcasting? I think you have to do the honors. Okay.

Um, ooh, actually, it's kind of good. It's quite nice. It's bitter. It's bitter. It's bitter. I think you brood this beautifully. Oh, thank you so much. I think this is exactly as strong as I like my coffee. I think the, I mean, it's probably what, a medium roast, I would say this one. Right in my sweet spot, right in the zone. This is really good. But is it so good that if you bit off your toe and return from the hospital? It's all I would want. I only want one thing. No free ads, but that's a good ad. Savannah coffee rosters. So thank you to Tim.

Thanks for the delicious coffee. No thanks to you, Samantha Coffee Roasters, no free ads. I genuinely need it too. Look, it's a big NBA time. What's going on in the NBA? I mean, not to date this podcast, but you know, there's a lot of activity happening around the off season. A lot of trades, a lot of signings, a lot of hypothetical.

signings, a lot of legendary players being like, bye-bye. Oh. And so here I am in desperate need of exactly this kind of Savannah Coffee Roasters roast. Now, if that ain't a good advertising, I don't know what it is. All right. A couple emails before we get started, I should say, resounding support for your possession theory from the comments and the email. I just like never seen such a unanimous clamoring of Rob was right in my life.

How do you feel about it? I feel great about it, but I'm waiting to hear the resounding support from the one voice that is important to me, which is yours. Do you now support the possession theory? Not really, but there's more evidence pro your theory in this episode. Certainly. When he says, fuck you, Anna. Yes.

Yeah, I'm worried about my dad, and it kind of seems like maybe he's not talking about Tom there. Like, yeah, there's some stuff. Anything else you want to say on the possession front? Oh, many things. Okay, we'll get to it. My position has shifted slightly, but I'm still firmly in the possession camp. Okay, but slightly away from 100% certain to, like, 90s. 8% certain.

More shifting away of who is doing the possessing. Oh. Oh. Fun. Okay. Possession watch continues. Our listener, Matt, on the possession beat, wrote in to say, I know you guys haven't watched brand new cherry flavor, which is a show by Nick Antosca, who is the

show writer of this show that our listeners already recommended to us. And I promise I'll shut. Oh, I guess Matt recommended it to us. I promise I'll shut up about it. But there was some freaky witch mind control stuff in that series that Cape Fear is giving notes of. while brand new cherry flavor was more plant and cat-based.

Here it seems we have Santaria-Hoodoo-inspired magic that apparently lets people control of their bodies. I totally agree that possession should now be on the board. This show is bonkers. A listener Kathy or Kath

wrote in to talk about a certain drug that people have already emailed us about scopolamine. I'm just going to reiterate this because it seems quite persuasive and we've got a lot of emails about it. I am assuming that you've not heard this plant spirit medicine, quote, devil's breath, a derivative of Datora, sometimes known as

the world's scariest drug. It is actually used medically in small doses for motion sickness, scopolamine, and has been used for possession type situations in which it could turn people in zombies and sort of make them highly suggestible kind of dead in the heart. I don't know how you're thinking this possession theory work plays out, but if it's this drug-based sort of highly suggestible sort of thing, is that fulfilled a prompt for you? I don't know. I mean, clearly you could be suggestible to the point where someone tells you you are a dog and you act like a dog. I wouldn't say that's being possessed by a dog though. Okay.

Because in this episode, a point in your favor, I think that you made last week was like, have we ever seen Nevea and Zach in the same place? We now have, unfortunately. We now have, briefly. Yes. Before he hightails it out of there. We've got a lot of emails about this, so I thought I would finally address it. Our listener, Ben, and many other people have pointed out, the Hyundai product placement inside of this show.

Basically, most specifically that Amy Adams, her character, Anna, is driving a Hyundai that people think is like just way too practical. No, call it out. She? I think you can do worse. What would you call it? I don't know.

I think the implication is this is like a low rent automobile for someone of her legal stature. If they belong to the country club and have this massive house with a pool and stuff like that, they're not driving Hyundai's is what they're saying. It's a very nice house. Did you... If the Hyundai is a fine car. A fine car, but did you see their sunroom?

Like the greenery around their house, around their... Tile work. Come on. So good. That's not Hyundai tile work. I'm sorry to say. Ben says the double Hyundai meetup scene when the two cars are parked in the rain. Are we to believe she really drives a Hyundai as part of the Savannah Elite LLL.OL.

So no free ads for Hyundai from us either, I guess. And then for weeks now, our listeners have been writing in to let us know that in the scene where Max gets the shit kicked out of him in prison, they were like, I spotted actor Paul Calderon in the corner just watching him. Hey, guys, why didn't you note that Paul Calderon is there? Anyway, Paul Calderon is there. He plays the Padreino who dies in this episode.

But a lot of people recognized him as a, you know, very prolific TV actor. Of course. And there's clearly a guy lingering in the background of their shots. we were distracted, I would say, slightly by the Nazis getting their head beaten in on various like... You love to see it. You simply do. We were cheering it and we were distracted from the reality of who was in the background.

It's true. We also got another... You can corroborate this for me. We got a number of comments from listeners letting us know that a cigar locker is also called a humidor, which is something I had floated by you, but it got edited out of the podcast just because I think our beloved producers were trying to make me not look stupid by guessing the wrong thing. But apparently a humidor is a cigar locker. That never happened. That happened.

She didn't, she didn't say it. Okay, you actually did. I said, you did say it. It got lost in the chop. It did. Lost in the chop. But so it goes. And I really appreciate our producers

always looking out for us. Okay. Anything else before we get into the episode? Let's get into it. Start with a prison flashback. How do you feel about this? This black and white flashback to, it's a lengthy one.

The purpose is it serves in this episode for the season. One, show us how Max kind of found his way into this religious orbit. If not exactly the religion, he ends up. going into the depths of. And then also kind of introducing the idea of part of the appeal is like that you are in touch with the dead, right? That you can channel or access the energy or see your lost loved ones, which becomes a... AISLOP version or otherwise.

Okay, that's my first question. Is the AI slop so creepily accurate that it is the exact ghost channeling that Max has seen years and years ago? What if the ghosts is in the machine? Well, now my question is, did Max or Nevea create? set AI slop. Oh. And funnel it to Zach

via the algorithm. Oh, interesting. It seems as plausible to me as one of them being a great wow player. Literally anything else. You're something of a journalist yourself. Formerly, but yeah, sure. What do you think of

a headline that just says guilty in all accounts? Which we see in the clippings on Max's prison wall. I think it's pretty grabby. Guilty? Would you do an exclamation mark or just guilt? guilty all caps.

Well, I mean, as you and I both know, a crooked politician doesn't grab the headlines anymore. It's not selling papers. So it needs to be something immediate, exclamative. Yeah. I think it would fly off the shelves. We need a good assassination. We need an earthquake or a war.

Or a guilty verdict. That just really cracked me up. It was like, guilty in all caps is the entire headline. And then, like, you know, we should say, I think this is sometimes despite its subject matter, the funniest episode of this season. to date. I really liked this episode.

It was very good and very fun. I had a really, really good time with it. Like, I understand what this show is. I feel like fully now more than ever. You know who else does? Javier Bardem. Yeah, Javier Bardem definitely knows. But also just like the LSD drug trip,

who could ask for anything more? By the way, all the people who thought it was an LSD, how does that taste? You're just taking victory labs today. Human order LSD. Anyway, he's also reading Nietzsche in prison, among other things. Did you freeze frame all of his books? I just saw Nietzsche.

I didn't stop. I mean, it's just various legal texts, nothing interesting, other than the Nietzsche. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I liked this a lot as a sort of origin story for his foray into a religion that he will eventually bastardize into his own thing. I also think that after episode five, the midway point last week, this idea that, like, we know Max's bad news.

We already suspected it, but the show's like, no, for real, he's bad news. And so when we watch him shift someone to death this episode, we're like, yep, that's Max. Sounds right. I appreciate our journey with that, though. Like, if you're going to make this a 10 episode season,

we come into episode one, and he's basically Joss. Like, down to you get like the Roy Shider zoom onto Amy Adams at the gala. Like, they're just playing it that way. Two through five is like driving the Bodens crazy with plausible denial. And then here he's just, like, it's Jaws 3.

Apparently, it's Jaws 3D. This time it is very personal. We're inviting, you know, you're over at our dinner table and I'm going to tell you, fuck you, and I'm going to threaten you outright. Like, we are past the point of neighborly pleasantries by the end of six. Funny tummy from LSD or no, if you walk into someone's house and they're frying up some pig ears, are you partaking? Absolutely.

I know you are. I love a pig year. You're an adventurous eater. Are you not a pig ear person? I don't believe I've ever had a pig ear. the way to do it. Crispy. Yeah. And it's like, I would say...

Have you made it yourself at home? Never made them, had them, certainly. Okay. And it's like, you know, like a crispy cartilagy kind of like appetizer for the most part. Or in this case, like throw it on a salad as your crunchy element. Cartilogy is not like a big cell for some people. For some people, it's all of the appeal. What else would you call cartilage?

Like, Kalamari? No, it's like if you like eating chicken off the bone. Like if you like that kind of gnawing sensation, that's like it's a little crunchy but also a little chewy. it's kind of splitting the difference. Oh, like literally eating. Okay. All right.

I'm open to it. Next week, chase our Savannah coffee roasters. We're going to have some pig years here on the pod. I was going to say, if I said that, like, I feel like I'd be responsible for flying pig ears and I don't want to do that. I'm happy to, honestly. Okay. You'll take up the slack.

Listen, I have a favorite ask. When I inevitably died a really fun and tragic death somehow, when you will hallucinate me, will you hallucinate me with my bangs as perfect? quaffed as dead Melissa's bangs are in Max's hallucination. You already know I will. You and I know the struggle of a bang, and it is not easy to keep every single piece in place, and I was just really impressed with how Glossian straight her bangs were in his vision. It gives and it take it the way, the bang.

It really is, it's a difficult balance to walk. Yeah. But, Joe, you do it all the time. Come on. How could I remember you but with a perfect bang? They're highly imperfect. Question for you. Natalie's pepper spray

Would you call this a Chekhov's pepper spray moment? It's a good question. Yeah. I don't think so. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the pepper spray again. Okay. But even if we do, is it going to be that interesting? She'll use it on Max or Nevea or somebody and run away?

Like, the consequences don't seem dire enough. I guess the, like, it was just like the shot of it in her, there was like an iso cam on the pepper spray in her hand. And I was like, noted. But yeah, to your point, I guess. I would rather someone use the nail gun than use the pepper spray. What? On you? Not on me.

I was like, I would rather be pepper sprayed than nail guns. We're past the part where I die creatively. Okay, you confused me. I'm sorry, we moved on. I'm just saying in the show narratively as like a fun, I'm grappling for something. Yeah. I would rather someone's grappling for the nail gun

that we saw in episode one. It just feels more exciting to have a nail gun involved. Also, I did love how it's like, okay, Nat, here's your pepper spray. Zach, I guess throw your toe at him. I don't know. You get absolutely nothing. Zach, if you could just stand creepily with one arm sort of out at an angle,

I think that'll be enough to scare off whoever's stalking us. It is his signature move. Zach in this episode, what did you think? Just creeping it up nonstop. Yeah, creepedown USA, yeah. Where do we want to start with him? Because he's saying a lot of stuff. He's doing a lot of stuff.

I really like, so in this scene where Natalie gets her pepper spray. Yeah. There's a thing they're doing with like when Zach's hair is like parted. It's a very sort of like Eddie Haskell, like, I'm a good boy and I'm just like giving you the smiles and I'm just worried about my dad. It's good to be safe. Yeah, all this sort of stuff. I thought that was really great. And all of his stuff is super creepy.

But like I thought his like little good boy routine was really good. It's really terrific. Yeah. Can I float to you now my alternate possession theory? Please. So I would say in this episode we build up. I can't believe we've made this long. It's been tough.

This episode is building up to the big confrontation between the Bowdoins and Max at Max's house, right? He's making dinner. They sit down. They're like, we're going to bring the fight to him for the first time. Not pulling a literal girl out of the wall. It's the dinner party. I guess it does build up to that too.

But look, again, I got distracted by the pig ears. Sure, sure. I would say my main takeaway from Max in that conversation when they finally ask him, like, what is it that you want? Is it money to restart your restaurant? Is it money for surrogacy? Or we can joke about, you know, egging on Anna, if you will. about the whole surrogacy situation.

But like, really what he wants is a chance to put his family back together again. And I would float to you, what if Zach is not possessed by Nevea but is possessed by AI Slop Son? Okay. That this is ghost son in Congress and inhabiting Zach's body.

So it's like a Russian nesting doll and inside of Zach there is AI Slop Adam, who we saw sort of like spookily walk into his room at the beginning of the season. He is as familiar with AI Slop. He was drawing him, right? He was appearing to him. in dreams.

Yeah. Okay. Follow up question. You think he's taken on the personality of AI Slop Adam? We don't know because he died in the womb. That's what he's going to say? Like, what is A.I. Slop Adams' like whole thing? I don't know.

But when you think about all the pieces of evidence and context of this episode, the creepy like, I'm just worried about my dad. Yeah. I mean, he's obviously not talking about Tom in that moment. Yeah. Yeah. Is he talking about Max in that moment? Yeah.

All the creepy like humming into a fan and then they wake him up. And it's like, who's Zach, you're not my family, calling her Anna. It's like all of all of these little pieces of anecdotal evidence. What son. Interesting. I'm just saying. Okay. Hey, folks at home, email us.

Where should they email us? Prestige TV at Spotify.com, for sure. But also think of a baby carrot at gmail.com. And I have to say, I'm really glad with our decision because the toe keeps towing. Oh, it does. It's been in almost, I think, every episode. You've picked the star of the show for the e-mail. email this time.

Please email us if you co-sign Rob's, because we were all in on Rob's possession theory. We? One. Okay. They were all in on Rob's possession theory. Will they be all in on AI Slopsin possession theory? I'm just thinking there's a lot of neon arrows pointed in his direction. Okay, it's a great question.

A couple new characters this episode. One of them is, we met him before, but I don't think I knew his name. which is Patrick, Tom's lawyer friend with the mustache, his mustache lawyer friend, who has this excellent legal advice, let him make a mistake. Don't seem right to me.

I'm not a lawyer, nor have I been in prison and studied legal texts, but let him make a mistake about the dangerous killer who's moved in across the street doesn't seem like great advice to me. It's really not good. I mean, look,

what can a lawyer advise you to do other than what is legally allowed in this case, I guess. So I understand maybe where he's coming from. It's a bad plan, though. Yeah. Mastasio Henry isn't like, hey, find a criminal and rough him up, which seems to be Tom's suggestion later on in the episode. Yeah, let him make a mistake.

Tough, really tough. That whole exchange was very funny, though. I think in particular for when Tom is explaining his circumstances and says, he pulled this AI shit on me to sexually harass my coworker. I mean, when you put it that way, it doesn't sound very believable. Um, nor does Anna really believe it. Nope. She's like, what did happen, Tom?

What's on those messages? It's funny. You didn't talk about the rubbing, you know? Rub it up against me. All right. Again, me. Natalie's drinking while doing college applications. Yeah, I owe you an apology about the drinking problem situation.

We are all on board with that now. Well, I think before we saw her take a little swig. Yeah, sure. Here she's working on her nice sweats. I mean, she's like three swell bottles deep into, into, vodka at this point, things have escalated. Okay. I love the clink of the bottle.

Like, after she's vomited on Tom, and then it's like the telltale clink of the bottle of just sort of like, there's nothing like a clink of a bottle to expose a drinking habit. I do think that Natalie drinking while doing her college applications is like a pretty relatable content. I was not a drinker at that time of my life, but I wish I had had a flask of vodka while I was doing my college application. I think the essays go down more smoothly.

I think. A little shot here and there? Oh my gosh. My like my Joada Veeve that would have come through in my personal statement. Just the right amount of like I care about this but not too much. Let me casually work in all of my community service. As one does. Yeah, absolutely.

Zach creeps into the room. Yep. Do you think he was actually there? Well, this is so kind of revealed to be a sort of dream maybe. Well, but later she's like I dreamt you were there but now I really think you were. And like Nevea appears and we think that's a dream. but now knowing that Nevea was in the walls, that could have been her.

I think maybe Zach was there and did stick his tongue in her mouth. I thought it was his thumb. Sorry, his tongue. Oh, God. Yeah, sorry. No, no, no. Let's rewind that.

His thumb in her mouth. Do you think that was Zach or do you think that was A.I. Slop Adam, who stuck his thumb. I think that was A.I. Slop Adam as Zach, his thumb in her mouth. The second thumb in her mouth, I guess, or is it the third?

How many thumbs have been in Nat's mouth this season? Just the two? That's already. That's too many already. Yeah, absolutely. I do love Tom's reaction when she vomits on him, which is just like, even if you're a really good dad, you can go like when someone vomits on you.

But on the Nat and Zach front, why does every character in the show have the memory of a goldfish? Like, last week, she had him in a headlock because he was antagonizing her and maybe doing witchy stuff with her would-be girlfriend. Right. And now she's just like, oh, I'm so relieved to see you. I was so scared or it was going to be somebody else.

Also, like, can I, one of the most annoying parts of this episode, and I liked this episode, but I think the moment I was most annoyed by someone, which is weird, because it's not the same as the too dumb to live move, which I think is very clear in this episode. But like, when Anna was just like, be nice to your brother to Natalie over and over again, I mean, she was drugged at the time, but I was just like, shut the fuck up, Anna. Zach's fun. Well, it continues the theme of they really only care about Zach and even then they're not good parents to Zach. Yeah, Matt, be nice to your brother who stalks into your room at night and shoves his thumb in your mouth while you're just simply trying to drunkenly do your college applications. Really tough. Max, Kitty, I have some notes for his behavior in general in life. Yeah. Where do you want to start?

No notes on his fits, though. He's wearing, like, cream linen slacks with, like, a striped linen shirt and then, like, a cream hat. Like, this whole outfit is encroib, you know. And he gets these photos. Tell us about the photos he gets. I mean, where do we want to start? We got the cross at Cape Fear Lake, I assume is what we're calling it. River.

Cape Fear River. A snarling dog. Yeah. Distressing. Is it Romeo himself? No, it's a white dog that looks like it has been through some fights or some pain or some torture or some kind. A photo of Max and Anna. The dog cage itself.

And also a photo of Max and Wendy Wilson, who you'll remember is the Max Cady Superfan who desperately wanted to be an ice cream cone. How could I forget Wendy Wilson? And then we get this message in the most disturbing handwriting I've seen in a long time. On TV, you play The Martyr. What if I tell the world what you did to me? Signed C. Yeah.

So, and amongst these photos, we also get a rerun of some of the flashbacks we've gotten before. Much emphasis on this dark-haired girl who seems to be part of his childhood growing up. Yep. So where are you on the... Juliette Lewis is his step-sister who was there when he was abused growing up. I mean, maybe adopted, maybe step-sister, who knows the relations exactly, and here signs off her note as just C, the letter C. So we will be changing her card on the board to at least C under Juliette-Lus.

That feels like a safe assumption for us. Then he calls someone and talks them on the phone, an old man, and is like, you know, what happened? she was institutionalized. I'm going to come down there. If you don't take care of this, what's going on? What's your read on all of this? Got to be his dad.

Okay. Is there any other plausible explanation? That's, I mean, that's what I would think. Preacher dad. Preacher dad. Shitty preacher dad. Certainly. Abusive preacher dad.

Doesn't even seem like a good preacher. Whose voice is that? Oh, I don't know. Okay. I have two theories. Okay. And I listened a couple times. Yeah.

I know that's Robert De Nier. I don't know. I don't think it is. It would be great. Or we have yet to see Ron Perlman who is in the cast. It didn't sound like Ron Perlman to me, though. Maybe he'd degruffed. Yeah.

Maybe he's like un-Hellboyed his mouth. Maybe it's like there's that episode of the nanny where Fran like drinks hot coffee or something and then all of a sudden loses her accent completely. Maybe it's like that. Your pop culture references are on point. They're like very 1993, but they're on point. I can only be who I am. You can only be yourself.

Okay. So Ron Perlman having drunk the magical nanny tea. Yes. now sounds like this. Could be. Okay. Do you buy Ron Pearlman as Javier Bardem's father? Kind of think about the age discrepancy.

I guess it would kind of check out. Okay. Also, just in terms of character actors you would love to see in this kind of role, Ron Perlman would be near the top of the list for me. You just like haven't seen him yet. We're on episode six. If Ron Perlman is playing,

Ron Perlman of Sons of Anarchy and Hellboy Fame, etc., etc. Alien Resurrection. If Ron Perlman is playing Javier Bredem's father and Ted Levine is playing Amy Adams. We have like two gruff legends in these father roles. That's fun. We salute our gruff kings. Yeah, we do.

Okay. Great. Would you say Ron Perlman is like of that horror universe? I mean, Hellboy is, I guess, in the horror space. For sure. And probably he's been another horror movies that I'm not aware of. I think he definitely is. On Hellboy grounds alone.

Okay. All right. I love Hellboy. Okay. Yeah. You know, it seems to me pretty clear, especially also if we're back on the green theory, the brown hair girl in the flashback

was wearing exclusively shades of green, which is once again Juliette Lewis's signature color in this show. So that's disturbing and interesting. Are you disturbed and interested? Well, I'm looking at Ron Perlman's IMDP right now to fact check and double check our horror references. And I'm realizing I've actually never seen his appearance

in the TV version of Beauty and the Beast and maybe I need to. Oh my God, where he plays the titular beast. That's where I first met him. I mean, that's a horror story of a kind. Yeah. A monster kidnapping. It's Linda Hamilton.

Wow. As the beauty. I believe she plays a journalist. He, like, lives in the sewer of like modern day New York, I believe. And she plays a journalist. Very like April and Teenage Muti Teenage Mutinyin'Turtles, I believe.

And then she like goes on, and she's like, who is this man? And then he like looks like Ron Perlman, but hot and catlike at the same time. Sounds good to me. Also, when are we doing our full rewatch on that? I believe that has to be only one season. It's like, oh, we could do the Sopranos or.

Or? Beauty and the Beesis is right there. I was like, should we do the Supranos this fall? And you're like, should we do Beauty and the Beasts fall? Counter. Something to think about. Equally, you know, legendary. Influential.

Yeah. I agree. I said Canyon instead of Canon. All right. The toe is by Anna's Sink. That's not where it will stay. Eventually will make its way into a sacrificial fire, burnt offering situation. You're Tom and Anna, you got the toe, you're just keeping it sinkside right by the toothbrushes.

Where are you putting it? Anywhere else. In a drawer? I don't know. Out of plain view. In the trash? I don't want to be... Why would you want to be brushing your teeth looking at the toe?

Why are we keeping the toe? I understand why Zach's keeping the toe because he's possessed by an AI slop, Adam or something like that, you know? But like, like, or a possum or something like that. If you are Anna and you found it in Nevea's possum bone... Maggot tomb. Call it what it is. If you find it in the maggot tomb, yeah. I think you keep it for evidentiary reasons, right? Okay.

Well, she didn't like put it in a baggie and like, you know, not smudge her fingerprints all over it. I mean, she's not good at any of her jobs. No follow up on the faith murder crime scene this episode. I guess the cops haven't found her yet. Again, nobody remembers

ever what happened last week. The AC's not working. And Zach does not have a new therapist. Which of this feels more calamitous to you? Apparently they see. Yeah, really tough. Like, I'm glad that they have oscillating fans going, but like, it is, where's the sense of urgency? It's Savannah in the summer.

And it's August, right? Because they're talking about school starting soon. Dog days of summer. The AC isn't working. I feel like Tom, let's get on, Tom's really not good at the to-do list when it comes to fixing the tech in the house, I guess. He seems a little overwhelmed. Do you think the AC is simply not working because there's a literal woman, living in the walls, or is it something else?

Or the bossum. Okay. One of the two shook the connections loose. I'm not sure which, or maybe it was both. Or do you think the AC was like intentionally scuppered so that they would all want iced tea so that Zach could put LSD in the iced tea? I actually do think this is the case. I think it was sabotaged.

Okay. I mean, why else would you get a gratuitous shot of literally every member of the family drinking a tall glass of iced tea at exactly the same time? What's tea o'clock? I don't know what the Savannah Customs are. everyone has iced tea in the afternoon. Sweet tea in the afternoon. Sounds like something that could happen.

I mean, my experience living in, even the Texas version of the South, is that people are just drinking sweet tea all the time. I can't do sweet tea. It's a lot. I mean, it's like, and I'm talking full Kool-Aid levels of sugar. Like really, really rev you up.

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Yeah. Like a nice little gentle kick in the rear. I wrote it as a go-on-git. Yeah. Very Texas of you. Go-on-gee it. I have a potential choice for a line read of the episode.

Please. That's not water. That's not water. That was mine. Yeah. I think the only options are that's not water. Yeah. Or whatever like little little thing he does when he's pretending not to be a villain.

Also, when Tom says, you took peanut butter? I just think Patrick Wilson delivered that really well. Actually, these are all great nominees. I do have a definitive pick that is none of the above and I'm going to save it until we get a little later in the episode. Is it honey, honey, honey? It's not that that is also great. Well, I guess here's the question.

With this category, is it strictly the line read or is it also the stupidity of the character involved sometimes? It's just the ridiculous thing that they say. Okay. I had always thought of it as delivery, but I'm open to other options. And I also just don't want to pick Javier Bardem every single week. And he, like, sings half of his lines.

And so it's hard not to pick him. But he is vibrating at a frequency in this episode that I don't think many people in our plane of existence can access. I genuinely thought that dinner scene was like fantastic. Wonderful. Really good. Also, whoever made the decision to give him the red heart sunglasses, amazing, immaculate. And he has, like, the De Niro style, like almost aviators for part of this episode. But I think any time we get the red hard glasses just kicks it up another level.

And then the whole thing went red and it was quite scary. Okay, Zach is the first Bowden we see sipping tea. With a creepy smile. Yeah. I didn't write this down. Natalie gets in the car with Max. Yes. Drives her back.

He sobers her up. He buys her coffee. This is my too dumb to live. Really? Yeah. Not like getting it. Knowing that he moved across the street. You know, and she like mentions it.

She's like stalker. He moved across the street. But like everything she's heard about Max Katie. I understand that we set up from the beginning that she's like, like doubting what Anna and Tom did and stuff like that. But I just feel like there's just so much evidence at this point that like she's so dumb for getting in the car with him. I'm not going to pretend it's a smart decision. I think I have a lot of latitude for teenage characters in shows making dumb decisions.

She is drunk. She is a drunk teenager. I would not say like well considered thought is really in her wheelhouse right now. Yeah. But also like she is inclined because of her age and her circumstances and frankly, the fact that her parents are lying about everything through their teeth all the time to think, oh, you're blowing this out of proportion. Like, this is a guy who, yes, is a little weird and a little offbeat.

But is he really so bad as he seems? I think that would be a pretty normal teenage response. I'm not getting in that car, Rob. Well, nor am I. It sounds like you might get in that car. I'm not getting in the car. But also, we should just note, I think really the value of having her in the car is showing that beyond just being willing to get into the first place and have this conversation,

even after all the warnings. Like, Natalie's clearly charmed by him in a way, in a different way than the other movies. Yeah. But, like, there is a connection and, like, a warmth. A fascination for sure. I also thought that the shot was really good of, like, them with, in the rain, sitting in the rain, as one does at the end of August, I guess, in Savannah. Like, you could just see the green through the, like, sunroof and the windshield and, like, the camera sort of tilted up. I thought that was, like, a really cool framing of it.

Back to Zach. sipping the tea, he's got a lava lamp and a jellyfish lamp. It's too many lamps. I had a lava lamp as a high schooler, and I feel like it's a great thing for high schooler to have. If I'm Anna and Tom, we're cutting it at one novelty lamp. That's fair. Jellyfish lamp. You can't get rid of those things, too.

They're with you for life, you know? I actually don't know what happened to my job. Well, the chemicals they're in. I mean, you have to take to, like, a waste disposal site. The absolute, like, scales falling from your eyes moment. when first you take the cap off of a lava lamp and it's just like a bottle cap and you're just like, oh.

The magic in the universe is gone. Absolutely. Oh, it's just some goo that you heat it up. I see. And it's just like a light bulb at the bottom of it. And you're just like, wow. Where's the magic in this life? It's so sad.

Did you have a lava lamp? No, but I had the same moment when a friend's revealed themselves in the same way. I was like, really? It's tough to see. This is it. Tough to see.

Anna's taking your anger management class. We didn't get a lot of lead up to this, but I don't feel like we need to. Like Anna's been sent home from work. She has to take anger management classes. Mandated training. Right. And also yet another like we're not so different, you and I with her.

And, you know, we get this runner with Max in this episode in the flashbacks of like, what do you do with this rage, right? Clearly Anna has some of the same problems. Kill Nazis. Yeah. And I'm like, no. I think that's a pretty healthy use. Macrodozen.

The macro dosin is unreal. Macrodozen LSD. How do you feel about it? First of all, we get a microdose in line repeat. Although this time from Patrick Wilson. Yeah. Very much appreciated. The G has definitely dropped when he says it.

Oh, I mean, this whole sequence was spectacular. I would like to take us through a tour very quickly, though, of like, who's acid trip acting did you appreciate the most? Oh, okay. Like, who did you think were the real standouts here? I mean, I would say this might be my favorite bit of acting from Amy Adams all season. Hard agree. Really agree. Having not spent a lot of time around people tripping on acid nor having tripped on.

Nas and myself, I might be very wrong that this is accurate. I have no interest in authenticity. I do not, but it was entertaining. I want whatever brew of like kind of sinister, kind of checked out, kind of like floating in a different galaxy that Amy Adams is bringing in the sequence. This is the best she's been in the entire show. I mean, Lily Colias has to be during this episode both drunk acting, I think to like varying effect at various points.

It's a little spotty. And then here like tripping acting. Yeah. I don't know that she was necessarily a stand-up, but I did love Patrick Wilson just smelling a kitchen towel. Patrick Wilson, also the fact that Tom, when he is a macro-dosen, is like, should I show the roll my guns? Should I roll my sleeves on my already-shed-sleeved shirt

so that you can see my muscles? I would like to. He tried, but he got out-swalled. Javier Bardem is jacked. Oh. Oh. When he's lifting up peanut butter? Yeah.

I mean. Because the outdoor fit is cream. The indoor fit is black. villain on the inside playing good and evil just like Savannah coffee roasters

playing martyr on the house martyr in the streets villain in the sheets but yeah he's got the the black tank top on and the guns

are out a blazing yeah and Tom came over with like skin tight polo shirt and he just wasn't enough and he's like

oh no it was a knife to a gunfight really tough um all right so the drug trip happens

did you notice the aspect ratio shift I mean I love an aspect ratio shift okay I missed it Kai is the one who's like

hey I miss the aspect. I know. And I usually, I feel like I'm usually a job of it, but I missed it. Do you want to explain to the...

I mean, there's not a lot to walk through in the same way that your pupils might dilate the aspect ratio of the show shifts as they start noticing that, hey, the walls are moving. It's when Anna, like,

starts to see the wallpaper moving. And in my defense, I feel like I was distracted by the wallpaper coming to life and me being like, oh, they've been macrodosed. But the asset ratio shifts up. as every single other person in the world notices except for me

and stays that way through the trip. Yeah. Like the letterbox bars goes away. From slut got your tongue. Yeah. Slot got your tongue. Maybe that's the line reading of the episode. That was quite good.

Slut got your tongue. It's quite good. Really good. Is that the moment when you realize something was wrong when she said slut got your tongue? Yeah. I mean, it's clearly like an escalation. You know, Anna's been so like hemmed in. Yeah.

intentionally all season. Like this is someone who clearly, maybe by her own admission during her trip, about like how her whole life has been an overcorrection. Like, it feels so bottled. Yeah. It doesn't seem like she would necessarily pop out the slut got your tongue, but.

Here we are. You know? Here we are. And aggrieved Amy Adams. It's possible that Dr. Anita at the anger management course has witnessed a lot of these drug shenanigans. They're talking about taking the kids right in front of the web camera. I want to shout out Patrick Wilson's like approach to the laptop,

smile wave, laptop moment. I thought it was quite good. Do you think they were on mute? Yeah, I do. Okay, so just video only. She's like, I just check in and make sure everything's okay. Not like currently dialing 911 sort of situation. And then it's Natalie with the shotgun versus the drone. Yeah. Who won?

This time it's personal. How'd that feel? It was really great. Yeah. For some reason, I laughed a lot when Natalie said, fuck, I hate drones. Every line read during the trip sequence. I think we could single out here. It's from my supply.

Your acid supply. It's for microdosin. It's for microdosen. Don't have any disturbing thoughts. That, to me, had real, like, don't think of elephants' energy. When she says I'm 17 years sober in this, like, devastating, heartbreaking moment. Yeah. Yeah.

And she's terrified, like, that someone's going to take the kids away. Like, what have you done to me? Like, because of your, I mean, it was Zach who did. it to a certain degree. But by having that in the house, Tom opened her up to this. And this is what she said to him earlier when he's like, Max did this to me. And she's like, you did this by giving him ammunition. Right.

Now, I would argue that taking Max to the snake house, not to mention letting him, not letting him, but like he smooched her in the park. Something like that. She's given Max Katie plenty of ammunition to work with. So, you know. Don't take Max Katie to a snake house. Yeah. A second location or a snake house or get in his car. Can we just walk through, I guess, like the fallout overall of the acid trip?

I would love to. This is a classic. Everyone's on drugs. People start revealing things, kind of sequence to each other. So for one, just the idea. The stairs are too large for Natalie. First reveal, the stairs are too large. That's a problem.

We've got to downsize these stairs immediately. Yeah, yeah. The whole Tom has been microdosen this whole season reveal to Anna. Clearly important. She was not aware of this information. Do you think she would have felt better if he was like Lexigan? I don't think under the circumstances that would have helped. Okay.

We now have potentially new drone footage that could have been uploaded to the cloud, right, before the shotgun shot. You've got to be worried about the cloud always. Always. And I would say, too, we get a flicker on the newly installed security solutions at the Bowden House that Natalie has now shot with a shotgun. And so I'm wondering, is it even functional anymore? Who knows? Great question. Nat revealing that she heard Anna say earlier this season,

what if he knows what we did? Correct. Regarding Max Katie. Zach, obviously, he's just going to eventually just walk out of the house as a result. I guess that's more of the fight after effects. That's just long-term effects of being possessed by AI Slop Adam. He's going to be with his dad. Okay.

Is there anything else from the sequence that is worth flagging as far as like lingering in the air after all these people have been tripping out of their minds? I don't think so. I think we really got there. which takes, so Tom's like, let's hire someone to rough him up. And I do think Anna being like all the criminals I know are innocent was really funny and really good. Yeah.

And then the Bowdoin's in there matching blue head over to Max's house. They do. Across the street. Does this feel like a good plan to you? So plan A is, what do you want to be in five years? Plan B is, let's see if we can buy you off. Will you accept a large stack of money? Right.

Plan C, threats. Is that the extent of, what they got to work with here? I really think they thought money would do it. Did not work. It did not work. It didn't go for it. The pig ears.

Oh, also something I noted, I don't know if this is anything, but when they're walking up, right by the shrubbery at the front of the building, there's, like, a shovel and a wheelbarrow and some, like, disturbed dirt. So, like, I don't know if he's, like. What, a guy can't garden? If he's performing, I'm just a good neighbor to the neighbors being like, I'm out here in my hedges, making, like, you know. you know, green things grow, or if he's actively bearing something.

I don't know. Well, he has been sewing discord in the Bowden House. And I would say now propagating, fertilizing. Oh, it's a metaphor. I don't know. My plants are all dying. I'm not the source on this. Are they?

How's your basil? Oh, look, the basil, you can't kill, you know? The prayer plant, that one's thriving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of the others, they're not long for this world. I'm sorry to say. Do you want some gardening tips from our listeners? I don't know that they'll help.

I've read all the gardening tips. I've got to say, of all of the hobbies, gardening information on the internet conflicts of plenty. Well, it's really funny. You say you can't kill Basil. And I'm actually like, I feel like my basil is really thriving. But like, I've heard some people are like, I can't keep Basil alive. And I'm like, but Basil just tells you when it's upset.

It just like wilts right away and then you just give it water and then it's fine. Also, it's fine. That's mint. That's really mint job. Well, mint also too. It's true. Okay. This has been gardening corner with Robin Jones.

Well, while we're talking about acts of betrayal, do you take peanut butter's presence here to be any kind of betrayal to peanut butter? You can't force a cat. Is that true? Yeah. I've never had a cat. Is that true? You know that.

But what? You couldn't pick up peanut butter and take him home? I feel like it depends how many pig ears peanut butter has been fed at this point. But like, you know, we saw it start. I don't know, it has to be a couple weeks ago at this point. Well, Turkey's the gateway drug. Yeah, absolutely.

Every time. Turkey to pigs ear every time. But like, how long has he been feeding peanut butter little snacks? Yeah. Loved Max's performance here. Oh, this is your cat? How weird it came to my door. He was starving.

You know what I mean? He must not have been feeding it. Oh, my God. Starving. Look at him. Peanut butter. Really? The face that I've ever done gives.

Holding out the cat. Just going to get peanut butter, really. It's my knee now. Genuine high comedy. Really good. You can't force the cat. If it were me, I would take the cat home. But I would know that I would get scratched and bit by my cat doing that.

Wow. It depends how long I've been neglecting my cat. And given that we've seen Tom and Anna just like not pay attention to their children. I can't imagine. It's only Natalie who was really like taking care of peanut butter. And now he's been drunk for like a week. Also a fair point. You know, I don't, I think cats can be seduced by food quite easily.

And I love cats, but they're not dogs. And you can't. Well, let's be real. Dogs can be seduced, too. If you gave my dog enough treats, she would eat my face. That's not true. Dogs are loyal. They're loyal, but they're also loyal to the food, you know?

Have you ever tried to force your cat to do something? Yeah, take it to the vet? Oh, just you're trying to take the cat to the vet and it won't go. Are you kidding me? I mean, my dog just walks to the vet. Are you kidding? I'm kidding you. I don't know.

You could have a dog. That's real Max Katie. I was just taking my dog to the vet down the street. No, you try to put a cat in the carrier to go to the vet. The cat knows exactly what's happening. The cat will, like, hide in recesses you've never knew existed in your house. Wow. You have to, like, tear apart the whole house.

I've been like, I've gone into the vet just, like, completely scratched. Also, at the vet, my cat is, like, a problem. They have to put on, like, thick rubber. Your cat's on a list? Thick rubber gloves to handle my cat. And they're like, we suggest drugging her next time. So I have to drug my cat to take her to the vet. So yeah.

If you are a vet or a vet tech who has access to Joe's cat's records, I would love to see what's on the chart. I would love to see the notes on there. I am sure they've written. Fustachia. Fuck this cat. I'm sure they're like, fuck this cat. Gabapentin is the answer for getting the cat to the vet. Anyway, this has been pet owner and gardening corner with Rob and Joe.

I feel like this is a true cat behavior. You can't force a cat. Absolutely. What did you make of this story of Lila? Yeah. Like, is this a real thing that happened? Is this code for Anna or is this code for his sister? I thought it was code for his sister.

Okay. Where the names have been changed to protect the people involved and also any resemblance to real life circumstances are merely coincidence. Okay. So the story, if you may not recall from this episode, is there's a girl who thought she was better than everyone who basically, like, tortures this young boy or, I mean, could be a boy of any age, I guess, until. she eventually like falls in love with him. Yeah. And then the boy, like, enacts his revenge.

He warps her disdain into desire. Yes. Right. And then uses that because he wants to extract his revenge in pain over time and like becomes horror torture in a way. And so he says, when someone really wrongs you, you find your way and you take your time to make that someone feel the way you felt, which is a total loss of control. Yeah.

This to me feels like it's probably more Juliette Lewis, aka C, as we think we know her now coded than it would be Anna. But I could see it with Anna being like someone who, you know... But why would Anna have, like, tortured him? Why would she have like... Well, in his mind torture. But like, if she came in

with an attitude of I'm better than you... Could see that. You know? And then he's like, oh, she doesn't think too highly of me. She's taking this case, but she doesn't think well of me. I'm going to make her desire me.

And then I'm going to use that against her somehow. I don't know. I could see it going either way. Well, there's certainly enough allusion to desire or connection as far as Max and Anna's past. Like, Max is really needling them both during these sequences, right? I mean, because Tom's like, did you fuck him? Yes.

Like, absolutely. The surrogate thing was so funny. It was really good. Because, like, him being like, oh, there's like an age limit, right? Like, fucked up. Focked up. Especially after he's just, like, shoved his tongue down the throat of honey, who is much younger, obviously.

His tongue, I mean, he's devouring that one. woman. Did you get the sense when he, I was trying to parse when he's like, who else, who else? Oh, I think the implication is pretty clear. What is your? I think the implication is Natalie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's just like, I'm just going to throw this out there and let it hang in the air. Yeah, yeah. That was my read as well. Let you two squirm for a minute before I say this is a joke. Kidding. Yeah. Yeah. The precursor to that is what do I want? I want to be reunited with my family. Help me recreate my family. Yeah. You could help me recreate my family perhaps by letting me borrow the vessel that is Zach's body.

Yeah, all kinds of vessels available, I guess. Wow. And then, you know, he kicks him out. He's like, get the fuck out of my house. Yeah. Like, let's do it again. I loved all of this. Like, what do neighbors talk about? Yep.

Let's do it again. You guys can host. Get the fuck out of my house. A very Cape Fear cigar. The De Niro cigar shot is straight out of Cape Fear. Absolutely. I loved this. I thought this was fantastic.

And then we get the Padrino, secondary Padreno flashback where we get the fact that he killed the Padreno who had, I guess, offered him up. to the Nazis. Throw him to the wolves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything else you want to extract out of that? I think it's just kind of a continuation of the same. Did it feel like betray me, I will kill you sort of thing?

Or the erosion of more trust? I put my trust in this, you know, to like carry me through this thing. And then I found out that he's the one who offered me up or something like that. I think you can see the seedlings here of this idea of like this. You're really in your garden metaphor. I really am. I'm sorry. but this like religious figure

taking root on him just wrapping like a vine you know bringing him in like selling him this vision of his religion that is like based in the idea of like suppress your anger

and then to find out that that person has been manipulating you the whole time I think you can see how Max might get to this like twisted version of like I'm gonna take these core teachings but I'm gonna channel them

the way I want very dark side kind of stuff so you're like reasonable Max is a reasonable reaction I think some of the things he asks for in this episode, like, hey, two lawyers who are now married, one of them was my prosecutor, one of them my defense attorney. Could you issue a public apology and maybe not practice law again? That actually seems like a very reasonable request. I don't disagree.

Okay, so the promise that Padreino gives him is like you're going to see your dead love ones. And we see glossy banged Melissa and A.I. Slop Adam. Yeah. But in last week's episode, when Juliette Lewis's character, C, says, like, I reached out for you. and he says that was you. Do you feel like, I mean, I don't think she was out. But do you feel like in that moment he's like, oh, I thought I was seeing my wife and my son,

but maybe I was actually seeing this woman. You know what I mean? Yeah, I could definitely say that. If he's like, I had these visions and she's like, it was me. Do you know what I mean? Like in that really weird state that they're like trance that they're both in the cigar locker, aka the human humidor.

I don't know, I was just thinking about that moment. That would definitely check out to me. So the first time we see him really interact with this idea of seeing his dead wife and unborn son, who is now a teenager, is while he's getting brain surgery performed on him with local anesthetic, which is some truly wild shit. We got to keep you awake during brain surgery. Yeah, while I do my cartoonishly like Dr. Frankenstein drill rev into the shadow. And then I'm going to put you into a coma. All make sense to me. Okay.

So supposedly he sees his wife in the. son then, then he sees them again as you allude to. If you're a brain surgeon who is somehow watching Cape Fear and listening to this podcast, it might be. Think of a babycare at gmail.com. Is this how brain surgery is done? Do you ask them to recite a nursery room? And then also clarify that it needs to be in English, so you can understand.

And then secondarily, when he is kind of first converting and at the altar and they're all reciting these chants, that's when he sees the immaculate banks, right? The sacred bangs. And then, yeah, I guess supposedly. again in his dreams, maybe many times since then. And I just think this checks out where if a random kid gave you a drawing that is suspiciously like the version of your son you have seen in your head,

some like dots are connecting here. Do you, so when he was talking to Tom at the country club or gentleman's club, whatever you prefer, and he's like, the thing I really want more than anything, like if I could have a moment to connect with my son again, like I would do it. and then this through line into recreate it.

Like, do we believe that that's true, or is this just a cover for his vengeance? Like, is there an earnest desire to recreate his family? Not necessarily by impregnating Natalie or anything like that, but just sort of like, in general. I think so. I think... Stealing their son.

Yes. Also, why not both? Right? It's like, you can hurt them by also getting the thing you want. Yeah. And turning that against the potent might be the sweetest form of revenge. Again, the bonus. Again. Zach, I presume, started the fire here?

Well, I mean, Nevea could have done it too. Together maybe? Yeah. Also, who stole the toe back? Could have been either one. These are general sentences that were somebody. Who stole the toe back? All right, secret tunnels in the wall.

Yeah. The Bowdo and back rooms. Oh, boat and back rooms. That's really good. Thank you. You're welcome. Go fuck yourself, Anna. I loved the red paint like spatter when she took the paint can and hit Nevea in the head.

And I, for a second, did think that was blood. And then I was like, oh, it's way too much blood. It's pain. There's a lot of blood. That to me was the trashiest soap opera-ist moment. Oh, yeah. The paint splatter. The paint can smack over the head with the paint with splatter.

Like really wonderful stuff. Stay away from my son. What son? Dund, duh. All right. So what else do you want to say about this episode? Television. Oh, and then we get the bloody footprints going across the street.

Well, first we get Tom going into the walls. Yeah. And then collapsing, fighting for his, absolutely fighting for his life with somebody back there. You know what I have to say? You know, for the actress who plays Nevea, his name is not in front of me right now. Excellent screeching and screaming.

Yes. Excellent, excellent job. Malia Piles. Incredible, just like hellcat energy from her in this sequence. I mean, comes through the wall and, like, tries to strangle him, basically as the rest of the family just kind of watches. I did think that moment when she grabs Anna's arm from, like, the wall was really good. I mean, like, when they were like, oh, it was just a possum, I was like,

I don't know. I heard some screaming that didn't sound like possum to me. That was the moment of the episode for me. Oh, okay. You hear two people screaming bloody murder. Yeah. Repeated bludgeoning and fighting. Yeah.

Oh, it's just a posse. And it's like, oh, it was just the possum silly. Is that your too dumb to live moment? I think my too dumb to live moment is Anna going into the wall after Tom has literally come out of the wall being like there's somebody back there. I thought Tom might die in this episode. Like when he went into the wall and like fell down through the floors and stuff. like that, I was like, if Navaya's in the wall and Nevea kills him, I would not be surprised. She's so eager.

Her knife is ready. Yeah, the horror movie moment of her, like, grabbing out for Anna's arm, I thought was really good. Really terrific. Yeah, and then just like pulling her, literally pulling her out of the wall. I thought was fantastic. Although in that two seconds after, oh, it was just the possum and we see the possum. Yeah. I was like, can Nevea anamorphon to a possum?

Is that where this is going? This is very House of the Dragon is Alice Rivers a goat. Is she a possum? Could she turn it to a possum? Turns out no. Possum transmogification is what you're saying. We can now confirm. We have seen Nevea and the possum in the same place.

Is animorph like another like 1993 reference, would you say? I guess so. Maybe. It's a little later. Maybe that's more like 9798. Okay, great. I loved this. I thought this episode was great.

I really feel like the show is hit its stride with me in my heart and I had a great time watching this episode. It's wonderful. Again, I don't know if it's good, but it's wonderful. I know that when I watch it, I get to come in and talk to you about it and like hear from our listeners about it. So it's great. We're all in the muck together. It's really what it's so enjoyable. And we're all just, I mean, this episode was the sweatiest yet.

Oh, well, Macy is not working. That's what I'm saying. And nobody is inclined to fix it. Absolutely. If you were just once again, on the drinking alcohol as a sweaty banked teenager in Savannah, Georgia, I feel. like a Natalie wants a mixer. She's not mixing it with anything. She's just straight chugging alcohol.

That's a lot of straight vodka. Even for an aggressive teen who doesn't really know what they're doing, like, it's just a lot. We're not doing like a smear off ice, whatever the kid's version of that these days is, or like mixing it into the sweet tea or anything like that. We're just chugging it from the bottle. You got the tea on hands.

There's probably like some cranberry juice in there somewhere. Like make something happen. Yeah, tough, really tough. All right, did we do it? I think we did it. Okay. One last note, just for our lawyer friends who have been emailing in about Max Katie's sudden release from prison. Yeah.

Earlier in this episode, when Tom is meeting with his attorney friend, they do give some flimsy explanation as to like, oh, political reasons. The governor was embarrassed by this other case. And they like fast-tracked Max's way out of prison. Yada, yada, yada, yada. The yada yada yada did a little bit. Corners were cut. But, you know, a kind of plausibility in the world of Cape Fear. Next week's episode is called the mongrel.

and has three credited writers. Okay. I just have some questions about that. Is a possum a mongrel? I bet some possums are mongrels, but not every mongrel is a possum. Wow. You know what I mean?

Now I want to speak to the possums that are not mongrel. Do you grow up calling them possums or opossums? No, Joe, no one says opossum. Yes, people, it's a regional thing. People say, oh, possum, yeah. No one says opossom. Okay, we're going to be carried a GM on the com. It's a silent O.

No, I grew up calling. I didn't even know that they were like known as opossums. But some places in the country, they call them opossums. I say this with great love and affection. I could see you calling them opossums because, look, look, you're a very bookish sort. I could see you reading the word opossum thousands of times. My sister thought the word misled was mizzled because she had only read it. It's just in your head.

And in your head, I could have seen it as being opossum. No. Thanks so much for loving one calling me, don't. No, on the contrary. I'm saying you're a learned sort. I believe I'm right about this regional opossum thing, but I would like to hear from our listeners rather than Google it. And don't give us an AI answer.

Give us your real regional answer. How sweet is your tea? Like what's the correlation between the sweetness of the tea and whether or not you say O possum versus possum? I like to think there's like, do you remember that New York Times like regional dialect quiz some years ago? I feel like there's an equivalent of like how sweet is your tea. Yeah, absolutely. We can regionally make a very precise guess where you.

I kind of feel like Savannah, Georgia is like... That might be it. The hot center of it, you know? All right. We'll be back in a second with the conspiracy board and the new cards we're adding to it. We'll see you in a second. All right, we are back with some more cards to put on the board here at episode six of Cape Fear. Having a great time.

We're going to start off strong with RIP Jartow. RIP little homie. Yeah. Yeah. We barely knew ye. Charcle Burkett now. Let's keep it going along the same thematic lines. We wouldn't even know about the jarto, if not for the Bowden Backrooms.

The sacred liminal space inside the Bowden home. Who knows what lurks there beyond our own traumas? Do you think now Backrooms is mandatory viewing to understanding this season of Cape Fear? I think it might be mandatory viewing to understanding the human experience. Great. All right. We're not sure she exists. She might be a metaphor.

Lila, question mark, and Tarobang. Maybe C, maybe Anna, maybe just some other lady. We have added C to the Juliette-Lewis card. on the board. Absolutely checks out to me. Another C, the AC, the broken AC, in fact, maybe it's a coolant leak, maybe it's not. RIP, the yoga drone. We're just like looking to get some more red X on the board. So we're not 100% uncertain this is the same drone. Could be drone 2.0. We love to kill a drone. We do love to kill a drone. Already dead though. Melissa and Adam. Although maybe resurrected as a restaurant concept with a tasteful refreshed menu. Well, so that's why I made that

card because the ampersand is a real restaurant name. I will say as Amherst. As a Amper sand restaurants go, I'm a little more Melissa and Adam oriented than like flower and water oriented. This is why I did this. My best friend and I have a game where when we're out in the world and you see a sign that is a proper noun, ampersand, proper noun. We take a photo and set it to each other. Yeah, it's one of the worst things that we as millennials ever day. Is it our fault? I think it's our fault.

Oh, God. All right. Old man on phone. We don't know who it is. Is it his dad? Is it Rod Perlman? Is it Robert De Niro? We don't know.

But there's an old man on the phone, so he gets a card. We do know this man, Henry, because we would know that mustache anywhere. Tom's lawyer friend. What do we? I'm just questioning my own artistic skills. I'm not. Okay, great. This is beautiful.

Thank you. The nostrils are really what does it for me. Shotgun. Check off shotgun. Yeah. You know, forget the nail gun. Forget the pepper spray, but we will remember all those things. But also there's a shotgun on the loose.

And Natalie knows how to, I mean, good job, Natalie. Oh, my God. Crack aim. I mean, anyone would know, too, if they listen to our Widows Bay Pots, how I feel about someone triumphantly cocking a shotgun? I mean, it's just one of the great things you can do. So shout out to Natalie. We support Natalie, but Patricia is our queen.

It's hard to top. It's very true. The aspect ratio shift. Yeah. Do not adjust your television sets. We are zooming in and out of focus. We are changing the resolution. We're doing a lot of things because we're on drugs.

Absolutely. Pepper spray. It's there. We're not sure if it'll come back, but we just want to note that it is there. We have a new tradition. We're starting a new subcategory of the board. Obviously, peanut butter has been renamed. Many.

Money. It's just a better name. Absolutely. Subcard. Yeah. He's a fucking traitor. He is. You can't force a cat to do anything, but guess what?

That cat doesn't love you. If Romeo winds up going across the street to the Bowdens, are you ready to slap a traitor card on a dog? Yeah, but it would never happen. Okay. We are retiring microdocin, and we're moving it on to macro dosin. We're macrodocin LSD. How much of the vial do you think went into that, like the pitcher of iced tea?

I bet Zach has a heavy pour. Just dumped that thing. Yeah, absolutely. Emacula Banks. this is the podcast for them whether they're in a vision of your dead loved ones or just watching the prestige TV

Dr. Anita's anger management course Incomplete Incomplete Anna has an incomplete But along the same new media lines Somehow podcast guy returns I believe his name is Lewis something Wow you bothered to know his name

Louis Powell maybe perhaps Guys this is not how podcasters behave I promise you No this is some shitty paparazzi stuff Well other than the many times You have harangued people on the street Well then no that's just you All right. Honey, honey, honey, the bartender.

She's here. She's in her underwear. She seems like she's having a great time. Oh, just the right of her life. You're hanging out with Max. El Padrino, not having the right of his life, at least not anymore. Shiv to death in prison, you know? I mean, you throw the wrong guy to the Aryan Brotherhood, and I guess this is just what happens. I mean, tough.

All right. Last one at least, the bloody footprints that lead from the boat and home to across the street to Vax's home. Yeah. I mean, the toasts. Oh yeah, there's four toes on this one. Because it's Zach. Are you worried about Zach? Why would I be worried?

He's being inhabited by a ghost son. Is that his eye at the end of the episode? Great question. I mean, clearly a mirror shot of the one we get of Max earlier in his like maybe third eye opening experience in prison, but now red? It feels like it's just the same shot, though. Okay. It's just still Max's eyes upon you.

But now angry. Okay. Honey, honey, honey. It's time to end the podcast. We will be back with episode seven. We're pre-recording that one. So if you've emailed us, I'm so sorry, those emails will not join us. Rob is taking some sensible time off, so we're banking some Cape Fear episodes.

But we will see you for the madness soon. Thanks to Kate Grady. Thanks to Evan Roldo. Thanks to Jacob Cornette. Thanks to Tim and not use Savannah Coffee Roasters because no free ads. But also, it's kind of good. The coffee kettle rolls. All right.

Bye.