The Prestige TV Podcast - 'Cobra Kai' Season 3 With Bill Simmons and Shea Serrano

Episode Date: January 6, 2021

Bill Simmons and Shea Serrano break down Season 3 of 'Cobra Kai' and make some predictions for what will happen in Season 4. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Shea Serrano Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay. All right, it's already the most important podcast of the year, even though the year it just started. Pobocast Season 3. Shea Serrano's here. They dropped this on basically January 1st at midnight. The success of this show on YouTube,

leading to it reappearing on Netflix, and then Netflix saying, screw it. Let's keep it going. It's genius. It was the number one trending show. All the other streamers have to be kicking themselves. And they did a really good job in season three.

I'm going to start here. I really like this season. A minus for me. I haven't talked to you yet. I don't even know what your grade is. What was your grade? I'm right there. I'm right there with you. It was, they had a lot of, a lot of set up in the first half of the season and they pay it all off in the last like three episodes.

By the end, by the end of the last episode, you're like, fuck yes. Let's go. So they bring back Elizabeth Shoe, which we figured was going to happen. They hinted at it. Best moment of the season. Best moment of the season. And we'll get into how awesome she was because she came in throwing 102 miles an hour. and every scene was great. What I didn't expect was for them to dip into the Karate Kid too well. They brought back.

I love it. Daniel Sotton's girlfriend from Karate Kid 2 and his archimicist from Karate Kid 2. I was like floored. First of all, the ex-girlfriend looked phenomenal. I don't know how old she is, but she looked fantastic. She hasn't aged two years in the last

35, however long it's been. So it's great to see her. I actually thought she did a good job at the acting too. And then the nemesis comes in. You're like, where is this going? And I actually thought they nailed it. I thought they did a really good job. Yeah, it was really great.

He was such a vicious bad guy. Like, okay, Johnny Lawrence is the, he's the number one bad guy in the karate kid universe. The bad boy of karate, Mike Barnes. He was like kind of cool in a way, but Chosen was like straight up trying to kill people. people. He wants to kill you. Like a legitimate murderer. He was a swindler and a murderer. And they bring him back in. And he's just as intense. He's giving you that same face.

You know he wants to fuck up Daniel real bad. What do you think that guy was doing for the last 35 years? He's basically waiting for Cobra Kai to come back. He was just waiting for this moment. And he was on it. He was great. He looked pretty good. I beg to differ that that he was more psychotic than Mike Barnes. Because I think Mike Barnes might have been the biggest psycho in any movie that came out in the 80s. He at some point was ready to drop them to their death when they were trying to rescue the bonsai tree. See, that's the difference. He didn't, though. If Chosen would have been there, he would have cut the rope.

Wouldn't have been a conversation at all. He hang glided or whatever, parolined into like a tiny island to kill a woman in front of everybody and also kill Daniel. Yeah, they really let the domestic violence moment in karate. kid too. They just kind of threw that one under the rug because she, the ex-girlfriend was saying out, no, no, we're really good friends now. We've worked it out. It's like, okay.

I just remember him punching you in front of 200 people and then trying to kill your boyfriend. Yeah. I'm glad he worked it out. I don't know what the process was for working that out, but they worked it out. It was a wild moment, a wild moment. They're like, he's changed. He started doing yoga, a little Tai Chi.

but I didn't know where that was going and my first instinct because this is usually my instinct with this stuff is like this is going to be bad this is where the wheels come off right here when they dip into the karate kid too and they try to make believe that this dude is now a decent guy

and by the end of it I was like great, well done pulled it off. I really liked it. I liked him being in Okinawa. Yeah, plus Danielson got to go back to Okinawa. I don't know if they actually filmed it in Okinawa. It might have been like, you know, Pacific Palisades for all we know, but it seemed like it. It seemed like they were there.

So that was cool. It felt, it definitely felt authentic. It felt real. Did you buy that there was stuff Miyagi didn't teach him? There was stuff he held back. There were pressure point. There was a pressure point karate, an evil version of Miyagi no karate that maybe he just didn't want Daneson to know about. I 100% believed it by the end of the series. When he did it, when he did it, when he did it, to crease. I was like, oh yeah, okay, I'm in, I'm in. When Chosen was first explaining it, I was like, I don't know, they're pretty close. And then more I thought about it, you know what, there's probably a bunch of stuff that he didn't tell Daniel. Because Daniel was, what, 17, 18 years old at the time, but he was still a child, you know, that stuff you don't, you don't bring out to you're in

your 20s, baby. I think pressure point karate would be a good one for you. I'm all in. If you know somebody, get chosen on the line. Teach me. Because at some point, you and Brian Curtis are going to have to fight to see who the strongest person is. My only chance is if I can pressure point right under the bicep. Just right there. Get right under the thigh stuff of that. Yeah, they paid off that whole thing and I really enjoyed the whole thing. It was also, we should mention, Daniel was the worst part of season three, in my opinion.

I don't. Really? Well, for me, he's become the character I'm the least interested in. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's fair. Because he was the star of the other movies and they're like, I don't need to see him as much. Give me more Miguel.

Give me as much Miguel as you can feed me. More, Miguel, more Johnny Lawrence. More of, uh... More Tory. More Tory? Great turn with Tori. All of it. I was in on every other character.

And then it was like, oh, they got to work in Daniel because Machia is the star of the show. But it's like, all right, here's his plot for this year. He might lose his auto dealership. And we're going to do this four. episode arc that's going to lead with, oh, guess what? The girl that he saved in the hurricane, the tsunami, whatever that thing was. She's now a vice president of sales at the car place that revoked their cars from Lerousseau automates.

Connect those dots. I love it. I love it. I like that he recognized her. He saw her once in a dark rainstorm when she was like 11 and he was like, Cochibon. It's a great, great memory. memory for Daniela Rousseau. What would you do to fix Daniel son for season four?

I think you just let him be, you know what? You do with him what they did with McNulty and the wire where you just bring him in for a few seasons. Like he was the engine for the first season. And then later on, they were like, you know, we're going to pull away from him and just bring him in when we need a couple of points to be made. I think you would do that here because everybody else is so interesting in there. Like, I just, I just, I thought it was really.

fun the way that they teased out the whole like here's the origin story for the name cobra kai with the with the war fighting and all that stuff is just so much fun to get into it's just really really neat so let let let let let Daniel le russo be in the background a little bit bring him in 40% less and let's lean into the rest of them so you would go season four wire with mcdalty where he's just on a boat somewhere that was season two when he's on the boat no no what was what was what was his job in season four when he basically was out to lunch? He had gone back to being just a walk-around cop. And then after Bodie died, he was like, I need to go back in.

Yeah, I need to step up. Yeah, I think I'm down with that. Because my fear, because this is now going to go on eight seasons, this show's now a phenomenon. My fear would be... I'm praying. I'm praying. Usually when they're trying to revive a character,

it's either marital problems or the unexpected baby. Yeah. I don't want either one of those. The unexpected baby would be, yeah, please don't do the unexpected baby. That would be a disaster. Marital problems you could talk me into if Elizabeth Shue is part of the cast. So this is a good time to talk about her. She comes in.

One of my concerns is she's won an Oscar. She's had a really good career. Would she feel like she was slumming it, doing somebody a favor, maybe in and out? No. No. She came in. She went for it. She went for it.

Went for it. She couldn't have been more likable. She looked great. had real chemistry with both guys. It made sense. They had great scenes. She clicked with the wife. The wife got along. That could have gone. No, they were friends.

I like that she was divorced because it opened that. She's not Allen-Mill-Schwerber anymore. She's just Allen-Mills. It opens the door now for somebody, plus Johnny Lawrence had just gotten out with Miguel's mom. He's like, oh, maybe this is my lady. Now, Allie's back. I don't know if she comes back for season

four. My assumption would be what else is she doing? This is the biggest TV show that anyone has right now. I think tens of millions of people watch this show. What career move would be better for her than just joining the cast in season four? I can't think of any. Yeah, that's got to be the move. The thing about her coming back and the thing about them opening up the karate verse,

as it were, is that in that first season, I think they established pretty quickly that everybody involved genuinely loved what they were doing. Like you never got a hint that that Williams Zabko was only doing this role because he couldn't get other stuff. It seemed like he did it because he wanted to do it. And they were all like leaning into it. So as they started bringing in the other people, you felt that energy too. When the mom walks into the house, you're like, whose house is this? We haven't seen this yet.

And then Ali's on the couch. And she gets that big old Ali smile with those big old Ali teeth. Laramie and I are on the couch watching this show. And I was like cheering. Like, oh, my girl, Ali is back. let's go because they teased it out in like the first two seasons or so that maybe she's going to pop in and then she finally did and you're like all right everybody is committed to this we're going to see at some point we're going to see everybody Hillary swank will eventually show up in this show she will be in this show yeah they dropped so i think it was episode nine without any warning all of a sudden elizabeth she was there because you know like like you i binge watch this

I was in Arizona in a hotel room for soccer tournament. And that was like, great. I'm going to watch all of the Cobra Cies. And, you know, you kind of zone out a little bit as you're watching. And then episode nine starts, it's like, wait, oh, okay. Let's go. And then they do the trip to the arcade and everything with the music again. Yeah, man, that's great.

I think this show is really, really well done and really smart with a lot of the choices it makes. And one of the things I like is she comes in and she does it over and over again. I was like, oh, that was a million years ago. Or, oh, we were just kids back then. Or, oh, that was dumb. And it's so important that she does that because for Johnny Lawrence from the first episode, it's like, this guy's still back there in 1984. This was the highlight of his life because that's a real thing that happens.

In general, sometimes people peak when they're 17. Sometimes the best moment of their life was when they were the starting quarterback of their high school. And then it's like the next highlight becomes their 10 year reunion or their 20 year reunion. And it's like their life just didn't work out as well as it didn't when they were 17. So he's got that. And then she comes in and she's like, oh yeah, we were so young and dumb back then. And I think it was important. I also did not feel like she had any chemistry at all with Machio, which as you reset the Karate Kid universe in your head, you think like, well, maybe she shouldn't have ever been with Daniel son.

Maybe it was always Johnny Lawrence. Maybe this was the connection. So as we head to season four, I'm guessing if she comes back, Love Triangle, right, with Miguel's mom and her? Yeah, that's got to be the move. I was really excited about how they laid those pieces there too.

When she showed up, I was like, oh, I hope they don't do like, I hope Daniel doesn't start flirting with her or do. It was never that. Nobody wants to say Daniel flirt with anyone, ever. No, no, no. But her and Johnny and Miguel's mom. Like that's an interesting pairing. That's an interesting group for some storylines.

Because at some point, Miguel and and Johnny are going to be like the new Johnny and Crease. Like he's going to have to not like him for some reason. We've got to get to there. And I think that's a good pivot point. Well, she looked great. She did a great job.

You know, they mentioned in the last episode, the episode 10, the kids were all talking and one of the kids made a WrestleMania 3 reference about how no, no, this happened in WrestleMania 3 with the, I forget what the tech team was. And it does make me think

the people that created this show and write it, I think are big wrestling fans and they understand the concept of heel turns. Yeah. Because we've seen that over and over again, right? Like Miguel was a good guy. Then he had the heel turn. And then he breaks his back.

Now he's a good guy again. And then Johnny Lawrence's son kind of the reverse, right? Good guy, nice guy. He'll turn. Now he's gone to the dark side. And then Hawk was the other one. My guy. That's my guy right there.

Hawk's heel turn comes out of nowhere. And as we have the big, awesome 10-minute fight scene at the end, which is somehow in the La Rousseau's house. God knows how much damage is in the Rousseau. And Hawk, Hawk is the leader. We've already seen Hawk breaking dude's arm. He broke his old buddy's arm.

Just broke it. Just broke his arm. And it's like, this guy's gone. He's fucking lost his mind. He's gone Mike Barnes on us. And then in the middle of the fight, he's like, no, these are my friends. And just flip sides. He'll turn. Yeah. I love that they brought it. They brought Kyler back, who was like the guy that was picking on him in the first season. Yeah. And then they bring him in and he's like, you know, he's going to team up with Tori and they're going to be the new top fighters for COBRA Kai. So you have to do something with Hawk. And to team him

back up with Miguel. Because they're friends the whole time, he's like, shows he visits him in the hospital. Like, he cares about him clearly. He just didn't know, like, where he belonged. I love that they bring him back into the fold. And what's the name of the guy whose arm he broke? Dmitri. That guy, great recovery from the broker. We had a couple great recoveries this year. In like two weeks. That guy's arm snapped. He's two karate three weeks later. And then Miguel, who goes from, he's basically Tom Cruise and born in the fourth. July with the giant head thing on and it's like he might never walk again. And then Johnny Lawrence does this revolutionary spinal care program on him where he's basically just antagonizes him into

walking again. Yeah. And within two weeks he's doing karate. Who knew? Who knew you could cure paralysis by just calling someone a pussy enough times? He's just like, I'm going to walk. Setting speakers on fire. Yeah. What's going on? What's going on here? I love Miguel, but still my favorite character in the whole show. I can't get enough of him. That great moment when him and Kyler are fighting in the house, I believe his name is Kyler, and he's got him pinned up against the wall and he's punching him in the back. Yeah, that looks like it hurt. Oh, my God.

And he flips out and, oh, man, it's great. It's great. Well, I know. And we've talked about this before in the pod. You're very protective of the Latino actor corner of making sure. Yeah, making sure everybody is treated respectfully and everyone's given the right kind of, I don't know, push. And at the end of season two, he's going over a staircase

and it's like, really? They had to cripple Miguel out of anybody on the show, but he had a good, strong bounce back for him. I think we go like seven episodes before he's up walking around and moving again. And if I could change anything, like, I just want him to be the center of the show.

Yeah. After this season was over, after season three was over, I went back and watched the tournament episode of season one, which is like my favorite Miguel, when he's just this bulldog and everybody and standing over him and screaming him. I love this kid. I love him so much.

I like that he was basically doing not a Johnny Lawrence impersonation, but definitely studied the Johnny Lawrence tapes for a couple of sneers. For sure. A couple of chest things, stuff like that. Well, so this would be something I'm throwing at you for season four. We haven't met Miguel's dad yet.

I know who it is. I know who it is. I called it I called it when season one came out. They've already begun aiming us in this direction. It's Terry Silver. It's the guy from Karate Kid 3. Because listen, they don't give us any information about who the dad is, except for a part when they're all sitting around eating.

And Miguel's mom is explaining, like, we don't talk about his dad. He was a bad guy. He was like, he did some bad things. Whatever, they're from Ecuador. And there's a part in Karate Kid Season 3 where Terry Silver is in a hot tub. he's on a cell phone, he's got a ponytail and an earring, like doing the bad guy stick, talking about dumping some like nuclear waste or whatever in Borneo, in South America somewhere.

I think that's what they're going to do. I think that's who John Crease was talking to on the phone when he's like, it's been a long time. It's time for us to link back up. I think that's who they're bringing back. And I think eventually we're going to find out, oh, that's the dad. I'm calling it now. I called it two years ago.

That was definitely who who's on the phone with. Yeah. I'm veering against you on this one. Go for it. I think the dad gives them a chance to hire our guy, S.A. Morales. Oh, you think so? I would like that.

I would like that. I would like that. As the dad who he's made some mistakes, it's a little Johnny Lawrence thing. Maybe his life didn't work out the way it did, but now he's here to make amends, but I'm not sure I trust him. Why did you leave the first time?

Then we have the potential love Love rectangle with you have Allie back Ali Johnny Lawrence is juggling Ali and Miguel's mom but now Miguel's dad SI Morales he's back

and now it's like what happens here and guess what is not like Williams Zabka they don't hit it off immediately he doesn't like the training he doesn't there's a lot of stuff

he doesn't like it could be a cool way to introduce like a new fighting style you know, everybody has their own individual fighting style and he's like, Isai is like, no, this is a different thing I'm going to teach you. Here we go.

I don't know. I don't know. Also, the other guy I was thinking, we'd have to age him up. Maybe put some white hairs on the sides, but Michael Pena, our guy. Yeah. He could do it.

Maybe this is a way to sneak him in. I don't know. He's busy. He can always do it. You know what? Little thing I was really excited about that they dropped into season three that I don't think they'd done it up to this point. is in the original karate kid

Johnny Lawrence has a very distinctive fighting noise that he makes. It's like aggressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like rumbly. It sounds like a small chainsaw when he does it. I think it's the most intimidating fight noise

that anybody in any movie has had. And we didn't get him doing it, I don't think, through seasons one or two, but he does it in the last episode of season three when he kicks the door open. And I remember he makes the noise

and he kicks the door open. and I immediately got afraid. It's just such a scary, scary thing. I was really pumped about that. So we both agree. Terry Sovo was on the phone. Yeah. I guess I'm surprised they're acknowledging Karate Kid 3

because it's one of the worst movies of the 80s. It's also one of the funniest movies of the 80s. No, come on. It's a terrible movie, but it's a terribly entertaining movie. I've seen it. My son, who hadn't watched it, and like six months ago,

it was on and I was watching it. And he was like, what's this? And I was like, Karate Kid 3. He's like, there's a 3? I'm like, oh, yeah. And we watched the whole thing, and he was mad at me after. He was like, how did you not tell me about Karate Kid 3? And I'm like, because it's terrible, but I was waiting for the right time.

Terry Silva, the evil billionaire who decides to basically take a break from his life to destroy a 19-year-old kid in Recita and rebuild his friend's karate studio. but they build the backstory that actually explains it. And I thought they did a good job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's clearly the guy who he saves in Vietnam. That has to be the same guy, right? That's the one.

Because they talk briefly about it in Karate Kid 3, like, you know, they were together. No, he says in Karate Kid 3 he says something like, this guy, you saved my ass a million times in Vietnam or whatever he said. So it's clearly him. Yeah. It's so much fun to watch them lay out all this stuff. Like at this point, everybody who has watched the show sort of understands the pacing of it and the things that they're trying to do. And they keep exceeding the expectations each time.

It's just so enjoyable to watch. You just turn it on and feel a bunch of emotions for a little bit. We haven't talked any about... We didn't talk Vietnam yet. About Vietnam. We haven't talked about Sam versus Tori, which I thought was just really great. So, let's do Vietnam quick. Because my son said that was his favorite part of...

season three. He loved the Vietnam stuff. He thought it really worked and didn't understand where it was going. And then when it pays off with the snake pit showdown with Creece, then Creece just icees that dude. He just loved it. He thought it was really good. And it gave, I wasn't expecting a Creece backstory. I thought maybe that would be like season seven, but they just went for it. And it worked. I thought it was good. Yeah. I can't think of like a thing that they've missed on yet. They just, it's great. Tori versus Sam. Oof.

So I'm not sure either of them are that good at karate. And I think they have to be really careful. Because I wanted, when they got into the dojo there, Sam runs away, Tori followers are. And I'm just like, oh, it's on now. Here we go. And it was kind of like not that sad. I thought it was the worst fight scene of all the fight scenes.

I don't know if they're limited with what Sam can do. My wife is on the. corner of she's just not athletic enough to do some of the some of the stunt stuff we need to do the cry thing i don't know if that's true or not but um they kind of cut that one short it felt like see that's that's crazy because i'm on the opposite side there i felt like that was for me the most enjoyable fight to watch because you like numchucks they held it away from you for so long they kept putting sam in these positions where she would panic and run away panic and run away panic and run away and so by the by the time they're in the house and they finally confront each

other and you're like, okay, please, Sam, stand up to her and she runs again. You're just like, oh, gosh, she picks up the stick, though. And when she does that, she decides she's not going to run anymore. I'm like, oh, fuck her up, Sam. Now is the time to fuck her. I was really, I was talking about that one. I wanted 30 more seconds and just a couple more blows landed. Did we ever figure out why Tori hates her to the point that it's almost homicidal?

Yeah, yeah, I think there's just a lot of bad stuff in her life going on. And we'll probably get it all out on Sam. Yeah. I mean, of course she, you know, she's mad about the, the Miguel and Robbie and that whole thing. Like, it's all very confusing for her there. But it seems like there's some crazy stuff happening that we don't know about yet for her. That has just turned her into this bad person. Can I ask you what would happen if you came home and the Serrano sons had had a 20-person fight in the first floor of your house?

Oh, God. You're like, hey, dad, so the surprise came over and got out of hand and everything is now broken. It would be a hard conversation. But the thing is, I would not be all the way surprised about it. They have their little eighth grade group of friends now that they've been moving together through all the middle school. And between their group, they have, like, as a group, gotten into like, I think two fights already at the trampoline place of all places. Oh, yeah. Bounce around place.

So, you know, it's going to happen. But man, that fight was crazy. It starts out with him throwing that one kid through a window. He goes to, like, check on a cat, come flying back in through the window. And then he's like, he just, is a great line. He's like, there's no cat. Right. You know, it's like, oh, shit, they're going for it here.

I think it's cool how they film it where I don't know how they do it. It's so well choreographed where it's like one fight and the camera moves, but it's definitely not edited. And it moves around for like a good 30, 35 seconds of just action. You know? And it's modeled. It's the Warriors, which I made you watch, which was over 40 years ago at this point. But they had the two fight scenes, one specifically in the bathroom when they fought the roller skating gang. Yeah.

And everything's in there. And there's basically 15 people fighting in a small space. And it just worked. But that sounds only like 40 seconds. In Coburkeye, season two and then season three, these are like five minute fight scenes. I love a long fight scene and I love a long shot in the fight scene because it, those are the moments when you can see how much work has gone into this because they're,

what that's like a five on five fight or something, six on six. Yeah. So everybody's got to be moving at all times. It's really hard to pin down. It's really hard to keep up the energy in a long shot like that. That's like a trick that a lot of, of, uh, fight movies do. Like with Liam Neeson, for example, there's like quick cuts, quick cuts because they're trying to make him look faster than he is or more fluid than he is. But in these ones, they're just leaning into it

and showing you a bunch of it. And it's really, it's really cool to watch that happen. So for season four, obviously Daniel and Johnny, their dojoes are going to combine. Yes. And that's not going to go great. Not great. That will, that will, that will have some tension, some conflict. You figure, they bring back Elizabeth shoe for season four. And there's a love triangle. Miguel's dad, I think, comes into play because they got to extend the Miguel arc. I don't know how many months are passing or what year in high school these kids are. They've kind of skipped over that. I don't know. It's two years past, has two months past. Guys break their arm. They're fighting next week. I don't know how old these kids are supposed to be

at this point. I do want to shout out the worst scene of season three, though, was the soccer scene. One of my passions Yeah One of my passions is when there's bad soccer scenes In TV shows or movies Because I think I think directors always feel like Oh it's soccer will just have the kids kick around

But they don't understand how bad it looks Especially if it's like supposed to be high school This was one of the worst one minute soccer scenes ever found It looked like Sam had never touched a soccer ball In her life and she was like pawing at it with her foot Like a cat with a toy it was really bad I encourage people to look out on a rewatch for that. Terry Silva is going to come back.

I feel like, yes. It's got to be. He's got to be back. And then maybe the Ralph Machio separation with the wife type thing. Or some sort of tension. Yeah. I don't think that's going to be the case. Or her old high school sweetheart is in town?

Maybe. That would be fun to see him, to see him like have to be a little bit. uncomfortable in a situation like that. But yeah, I think the main things, I think I'm really excited about the tournament being back. Anytime there's a tournament, I love it. I love it in the very end when Hawk walks in and he like stands up on the platform or whatever. They're showing you all of the people who are going to be like the key figures in the tournament. And so now automatically you're like, does Miguel defend his title?

Does Hawk come through? Is it going to be Sam? Are they going to let one of the bad ones win again? Like, there's just a lot of really fun stuff that I hope that that's like a two-episode thing, the tournament. That would be great. I love that Crease went from, he was literally going to murder Johnny Lawrence. He's going to kill him. And then Machio comes in.

And then Macho is going to kill Crease. But then other people come in and then they're like, hey, instead of murder, let's settle this in the tournament. It was like, cool. The old-fashioned way, baby. The old-fashioned way. Let's go. Well, listen, this show's going to keep going and going. Before we go, I saw a movie on Netflix.

What was it? I want to tell you about. Please do. Kind of buried on Netflix. Netflix has a lot of new stuff. It stars Ryan Philippe. Uh-huh. I'm already in.

Who is kind of, I think he's studied the Mark Wahlberg action movie territory. where Mark Wahlberg is now too big to just be in like shooter and movies like that. He's kind of transcended that. So there's kind of a territory open. Mark Wahlberg would have been in this movie 10 years ago. Now it's Ryan Philippe. He's a secret service agent. He used to be the best.

He's saying a lot of things I like right now. You're saying a lot of things I like right now. He used to be the best. Guess what? What? Not really in that life anymore. Yeah. He just wants to unwind.

Goes to pick up his son at college. One of his son's close friends is the daughter of a Supreme Court justice. There's some stuff happening there. There's some bad guys who might want to kidnap the Supreme Court justice. And they might be doing it at the exact same time that Ryan Philippe, who doesn't want this life anymore, is picking up his. son from college. So it's like a cross between shooter

and toy soldiers, basically. What is this movie called? It is called the second. And I'm going to give you the bad guy. It's your old friend Casper Van Diem. Yes. That's a cast right there. That's a cast right there. Yeah. That's a cast and a plot. I've just given you

I've just given you a great 90 minutes. It's not a great movie, but I was just delighted. that I just want them to keep making terrible movies like that where somebody used to be the best and now he's got to fight his way out. But yeah, it's a solid one. I watched the Liam Neeson one.

I rented that one and the one where he's another one. He's a thief, but he wants out of his life. It's on Apple and all those streaming ones. It's an on-demand. It wasn't that great. I think it might be over for Liam Neeson as an action guy. He had a great run, though. I mean, it goes back to 12 years, right?

but at some point it's got it. Yeah, let him go on. Ryan Philippe was great in the shooter series. So I'm excited to watch this. I thought, I was laughing to myself when at the very beginning of this podcast, you mentioned the Karate Kid came out at, you know, at midnight on January 1 or whatever it was. And then like three hours later, you text me.

Hey, are you on episode four yet? Because like a crazy thing. I'm like, if it came out three hour, three and a half hours ago, however you are. I, listen, I thought you were a fan. No, I liked your response. You said you were saving it for Saturday, but you're getting your family out of the house. I had to send the kids to my mom's house.

We're all quarantining. Go stay with your grandma. I'm going to watch the whole show. I watch it all in one day. Order some food. A great, great time. Give me seven more seasons of this. And then another Karate Kid movie.

Fuck it. Let's go for it. I'll tell you this. I had Zap on my podcast a couple weeks ago. I do think he's really good in the Cobra Kai show. And I do wonder, could he have had, could he have grabbed this action turf? Could he have been like an action guy basically in the 90s? Could he have got like a rejected Van Damme script and been like an alcoholic cop who's putting his life back together, but now he's got to foil some,

you know, terrorist act? I think of the, of the show, Cobra Kai, I think William Zabka has had the biggest, I don't even know what you would call it. Not a turnaround revelation. I don't know, but you watch the show and you realize, oh, this guy can, he can do it all. He's funny. He can be intimidating. He can be sweet. He's just, he's like a genuinely good, good actor who can do a bunch more stuff than, you know, he looked a certain way in the 80s so they had him be a certain guy. But he could do everything.

Like, I love him in this show. I tried to figure out a way to say that to him without it sounding insulting. And I couldn't figure it out when I interviewed him. Where I was, I really wanted to ask him like, you're a way. way better actor than I think I thought you were, but that's like a hard thing to say to somebody. But at the same time, like, I do feel like he was a really good actor. And I think he got pigeonholed by those three movies and maybe, I don't know, maybe he didn't want it and maybe he left. Yeah, who knows what anybody was thinking at a thing.

But I know watching this show, it happens in the very first season when he's in the convenience store and he has an altercation with the cashier and Miguel and the three of them together. And when that scene happened, I said, oh, shit, oh, this is going to be good. And it's going to be good because of this guy right here. And then sure enough, you know, I think he's the star of the show. No question. He's dusted macho. But it's great for macho, too. Yeah.

But yeah, he's definitely, they've done it corrective. All right. Shea Serrano, good to see you as always. And I'm sure we'll talk to you soon. Yeah.