The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Industry’ Season 3, Episodes 6 and 7: Horny for Assets

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

Charles and Jodi clean house to recap the sixth and seventh episodes of ‘Industry’ Season 3. They discuss Harper and Eric’s fiery confrontation, the sad reality of characters like Bill Adler, and why Rob’s decision to leave Pierpoint is somewhat hollow (1:47). Along the way, they talk about Yas and Harper’s toxic relationship coming to a head and why they’re both so tough to root for (20:49). Later, they address a handful of outstanding questions heading into the season finale (31:58). Hosts: Charles Holmes and Jodi Walker Producer: Kai Grady Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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How are you feeling? You know, Charles, we are just all brought here together by the force of negative cohesion. as Daria, my girl, is back. I believe that we are also brought here by the strange little walk that Rob did on the way out of the kitchen in episode six. So we got some positives and some negatives.

I do that walk in the L.A. Spotify office all the time. With Jomi and Steve are just like, hey, Charles, I'm just like, nope. Just got my Shabani, just walking. Yeah. Nothing makes you feel like more of a champion than staying out of the bullshit and getting a free snack from Spotify.

Honestly, shout of Spotify. They have great snacks. I'm not going to lie. They have, I steal a lot of them. They've got to be better than peer points. Yes, I agree. But you want to know what else is better than Peerpoint? My recaps for what happened on episode six and episode seven of industry, season three,

we begin with Nikki Beach or so many ways to lose, directed by Zoe Whitock, written by Mickey and Conrad. We learned the role that Yaz played in her father's death after a heated argument about his feelings as the father. Charles threatens to jump overboard and accidentally falls in. Instead of calling for help, though, Yas stays quiet as her father drowns and Harper assists Yaz with the cover-up. In the present, Yaz identifies her father's bloated body

while also fending off Eric's alcohol-blooded ego as he advances at her in one of the most creepy steak dinners of all time. Harper then uses Yaz in her scheme to short Pierpoint, which sends the friends on a disastrous collision course. Yaz is then fired by Eric, and at the episode's end, finally the duo have the all-out argument we've been waiting for.

Then the follow-up, useful idiot, directed and written by Mickey and Conrad, Bill Adler brings Eric up to a war room where their Pierpoint execs are trying to find a way to stave off destruction. Rob travels to Wales for an interview at a Magic Mushroom Company that represents his desire to lead Pierpoint and the world of finance behind.

Yes, is approached by Hannani Publishing who wanted her to take the full blame for her father's embezzlement in return for her lump sum. Distraught. Yes, takes Rob up on his offer to go to Wales, but the trip is ruined by a tip for Maxim that Hanani wants Yass to take the fall because they're culpable in Charles's corruption. Yaz and Rob finally have a conversation about their toxic relationship, but spiraling from the

guilt of whether to throw Charles's victims under the bus by fighting Hanani. Yaz takes a lot of mushrooms, cuts her hand open, and does some very inappropriate thing to Rob, who, Rob, you deserve better. Back at Pierpoint, Eric is stuck between whether to knife his ailing boss in the back or to stay loyal, sensing Bill losing the ring. room, Eric decides to scuttle the Mitsubishi deal that would potentially save Pierpoint in the short term, thus condemning Bill as the scapego of the ESG gamble. Eric brings in a lifeline of his own save Pierpoint at the last minute, seemingly cementing his assent,

and Harper finds herself in trouble when she's whisked away by Otto's mysterious man after admitting to Petra that the entire Pearpoint shorting bet is based on insider information that she should not have. Jody, how did I do? That was a lot of information. I'm exhausted listening to you. and very proud of you for cohesively putting all of that together. It is amazing, simply amazing,

that all of that happened in two hours of television. So I want to pitch you on something that after watching these episodes that I started thinking about, and it comes from something that Harper says when Eric storms into her office, when she's basically laying out the philosophy that he lives by and that he teaches them that are people, our means to an end. And he says something similar

in the follow-up episode when he's basically like, I don't believe in anything. I only believe in the bet as long as it's good. And I think the genius of this season is that we're seeing how Eric, Harper, and Gaz

are all fighting against that philosophy. I think with Eric, we are quickly seeing that for the entirety of his time, even Rishi kind of brings it up to him, at Pierpoint, he was the man that was getting to treat these people as ends. And we're getting to the point where it's like, oh, now that Eric has ascended to the

exec table, he's the one, he's the end. He's like, he's the person that people are using. And I think with Harper and Yaz and their big blowup, both of them are fighting against the reality that they both drunk the Kool-Lade from Eric, that Harper does see Yaz's, and her friendship as a chip that she can use any time to ascend to wealth and status. And Yaz basically sees, honestly, a lot of men in, I would say, Rob especially, as also a means to an end, as something that she runs to when she needs him. And then when she doesn't, she fucking cast him to the wind.

So do you think, how do you think these characters, and what are your feelings of these characters and how they're pushing and pulling against what seems like a very toxic way to live, but the only way that they seem capable of existing. I think that the addition of Adler in this season has been interesting or rather the heightening of his role. Frankly, I found the focus on Eric and Adler maybe a hair over in episode seven, just a little bit like we have our core characters and that's kind of who we want to spend the most time with.

However, this man is dying of a brain tumor. He is going to die. Like, you know, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it is fairly imminent. And he has presumably made a ton of money in his life. And, you know, maybe he spent a ton of money. Maybe he's not liquid. Wealth begets wealth.

But, like, he could retire. Presumably, he could retire. And we are just watch. And same for Eric. Like Eric has a lot of money. You know, Rishi tells him, like, those 15 bands I owe you, they don't matter as long as you're working. But also if he got out right now, they probably wouldn't matter. And we just see these two sad men, volleying for question mark.

Like, it's kind of power. It's kind of wealth. But I think in terms of a means to an end, what we see with all of these people is a refusal to acknowledge what that end is, that they're trying to reach with these means that are harmful. So yes, throw your friend under the bust, like draw on her vulnerabilities,

which are that she's not that good at her job and she's not that sharp. Throw your other friend under the bus because you need like some sort of physical relationship in your life right now. Throw your mentee under the bus because she's better at this than you. Like the means could be anything. But the thing that makes these people so nasty is that there's no end. Like there's not there's not actually an end.

Like the end is just survival. And I think we see Rob as kind of like it, the only one who is a, attempting to imagine some end for himself that is not like entirely self-destructive. It's also not powerful or maybe even wealth-inducing. Maybe it will be. But it's like interesting and something that he strangely seems kind of passionate about. So at first, like I had two thoughts with Rob. First I was kind of just like, is Rob long for this world?

Because the way he was talking is how like a movie character starts talking right before they die, where it's just like, I just envision a better life for myself. And I'm like, please, Rob, like, shut up. We want you to stay here on this mortal coil. But the other thing by the end of the penultimate episode that I started thinking about Rob is Yaz looks at him with disgust on the way to Wales. Because to your point, he's kind of talking about this mushroom company and what he's working on and getting out of Pierpoint.

He kind of makes a joke about it. where he's just like, yeah, we're going to do what everybody does, thinking that a road trip is some semblance of freedom. But there was a moment when he comes back into the car after the interview where he stops talking about the company as this highfalutin existential, oh, we're doing such great things. And he's just like, actually, the school just cut their funding. They said if I can get them some contacts in Silicon Valley,

Yeah, maybe I'm moving to the U.S. Maybe you know what happened with cannabis in California? I could do that with mushrooms. And I was just like, whoa, rub, rob, rob. I thought this whole job was about you leaving finance and this big capitalism bubble behind and all this shit. And as soon as Silicon Valley and the big check comes, he's like looking at, yeah, it's like, actually, I might get paid. And I do think that that is the funny, maybe cynical. Maybe that's the cynical reading.

of that moment, but I don't think any of these characters can help themselves. The action is the juice. Yeah, I mean, the thing about Rob, though, is that he's never had a lot of action. Like, he's just, he's, he's not that, his ambitions are not that high. And like, that is what we see in Eric and Harper is that, like, their ambitions are so high that they blind them, and they sort of make them imagine that they're working towards some greater good. Because, like, of course your ambition is good. And of course, if I am wickedly talented and a sort of, like, savant in this industry, then that is good. Then that, like, lives in place

of morality. Whereas, Rob, I do think it's just, like, kind of trying to get, but, I mean, yeah, like, he's either naive or he's just sort of, yeah, motivated by a little check, which would be understandable, considering the way that he grew up. But he does seem to be trading sort of one dead-eyed industry for another dead-eyed industry. But the thing about Silicon Valley is that you can spin a lot easier there that you're doing something good. You know, like creating the Uber of Magic Mushrooms

is going to benefit the great world, as he well saw while working with Henry at his startup. Well, while I do agree with maybe a little bit too much of the Eric Bill Adler, what I think it did, what the Bill Adler portion of this did, not that subtle of a metaphor symbolism, but when they're talking about his tumor and one of the old guys goes, he's essentially like, I think it's pretty reprehensible that we're hanging everything on a sick man, but he's just like, you know, the future is way more important than the past. And they're all talking about this.

They're all talking around this thing, which is essentially Eric's almost not, I wouldn't even call it a belief, but Eric's sermonizing about Pierpoint, this is 150 years of history. This is important. That nostalgia only means something, as they say in the show,

when you're selling something. And the whole thing about the tumor as kind of this symbol is that, like, everything gets destroyed, even the best of intentions, in this place, in this world, where essentially, like, we see it happen with Rob, where it's like, hey, this magic mushroom company seems like a way out until it's just like he's trading in, to your point, one dead-eyed industry for another. Similarly, ESG starts off, quote-unquote, as something that's supposed to be beneficial to the world. And then very, very quickly,

it basically is about to lead to another financial crisis. Like, it's like, I do think that, like, all of these characters at a certain point, it's like friendship, saving the world, anything that you could call positive is going to be destroyed by the erics of the world and the Rishis of the world and the way they live and the way that, like, everybody above them has taught them.

This is how it works here. Get with the plan or get the fuck out. And I do think that it's like, When Bill turns and in that great elevator scene, that kind of reminded me of the, here's the thing. If you work at Pierpoint, never get an elevator. In a penultimate episode, never. Or out of the bathroom.

Both of those, it just haunted curse places. But it was this moment where I was just like, Bill, you taught Eric this. And I do think it's that moment of him realizing, motherfucker, of course my most trusted lieutenant would be the one that knifes me in the back. and use my illness at the exact moment that it would make him look the best. And that's just how this place operates. Oh, they're all fucking furious

with their like mentees and mentors. But when given the opportunity to actually learn wisdom from someone who has like any credibility as a well-behaved person in society, Like, you see the way that Eric's former mentorship now sort of enemy ship with Harper. You see the way that it thrills her, that it drives her, that it thrills him, that it drives him, even as it has crashed and burned. But you see Petra, who's no angel, you know, she's just in it for the money and she's pretty

straightforward about it. You know, reveal this week she has a hot husband, as she should. because she gets it, because she tells Harper when Harper's going too far, I am your colleague. And Yasmin is your former colleague. And that is how you should treat us. And she doesn't say as much, but you don't get to pick and choose when we are your colleagues and when we are your friends, when you care about us like a soulless, money hungry, power hungry, wildling versus when you care about us like a friend whose dad's, body has just washed up on shore and you did a small bit of manslaughter to accommodate it. Like, those aren't, those are choices you have to live by. And I think that that's what the show

tells us over and over is when you use a thing or an institution as a proxy for having your own belief system and your own principles and your own morals, you are most immediately a danger to others, but you are, of course, the most danger to yourself. When Adler says after, it seems like PurePoint is going to be sold to Barclays, he says, so this is what death feels like. Yes. 150 years to build it, two-minute phone call to bring it down. And it's like, no, bro, the malignant tumor inside of you is what death feels like.

Experience it. Sit with it. You know, I mean, it's off. It's like you don't, you don't. You don't blame a man for like running from something like that, but the sort of blindness to be like, this is not what death should feel like, you know? I mean, when they tell him, like, you should go spend time with your family.

He looks at them like, what? Like, you want me to go to war? And I do think that to your point, what's your point to guy? It was interesting, which is like even Rishi. Rishi just basically says it when he's talking to Harper, which is like, Rishi, I don't know if I could hire three people. And he's just like, look, it was always just. about me.

And I do think that that is the interesting thing about this show, which is weirdly you have Petra, who I think even though she does not have any bedside manner, she might be the most prickly character. There's nothing charming about her. She has the hot husband. She has a child that it seems like she cares about. She has actually chosen her real family,

where it's like Eric is like fighting for his children, but never wants to hang out with them at any given point. you have basically Harper, who at this point doesn't have a relationship really with her brother and moved out essentially from her friend's house without telling them. There is this feeling of we are watching the people at Pierpoint who think Pierpoint is not only their life, but the people and the colleagues that they surround themselves with honestly are their family. And that's why I think to your point, like, yeah. Petra probably looks at Harper and like Eric's relationship. like, what is, what is this? Why are you, why are we doing this?

Because she stands as proof that, like, you can still make and produce and, you know, keep this financial system alive and make a lot of money without completely sacrificing yourself. Like, her husband didn't look thrilled with her. I'm sure that there are some things that she's sacrificing. And I think that Rob is kind of a character like that too. But especially, and we talked about this last week, you know, you see Rishi throwing the other juniors under the bus and then going downstairs and being like, why aren't you working?

Like, why aren't you doing this? And they're because they're like, we're not about to save this institution. And we're sure as hell not going to get a pat on the back if we do it. Like, we're going down. We might as well be drunk when we get there. You know, it's like it's such a fun show, but it's so unrelenting. And it's like take on humanity

and this particular corner of humanity. I feel like almost the most hopeful thing of the whole series is like these two young, smart dummies in Anraj and Sweet P who are just like, yeah, no, actually, we'll get another job. Everyone else who left Peerpoint sure is hell. it. Like, that's the reality.

Is that like... I love their friendship, though. Their friendship has been... Oh, yeah. So fun. So fun. In my life recently where I'm just like,

these two are actually the best dist of buds. This is amazing. Yeah. And like, I liked... Yeah, like, they're becoming buddies, but I was thinking like when Rob walked into the kitchen

and they're in there, and they're just talking about and sort of bonding over work. They're not talking about that they slept together and then did a bunch of cocaine together and then accidentally killed their dad. It's like they are keeping professional boundaries mostly alive.

They did a little bit of Molly together at the company party and who among us. Who among us? Who among us? So, yeah, I just, I like getting those little glimpses of that. I have felt deep in my bones this season that someone is going to die. And I just really hope that it's neither one of them. I don't know if it's going to be them. My money is on Rob.

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just in terms of like, because we missed it immediately as it happened, but I think it might be one of the most important conversations in the entire series is Harper and Yes. Where it was that argument where I was just like, I actually think that this is a love story. Like these are two characters. that need each other because both of them, the way they were reading each other,

I'm like, oh, you both understand each other not only because you are kindred spirits, but because you both kind of suffer from the same thing. You both want what you can't have. You both have that sickness that Eric has, which is, hey, everybody is a means to an end. Nothing really matters. We see even Yaz's in the penultimate episode.

screen to our lawyer buddy that essentially it's either them or it's me and we are talking about women and of course Yas was taken advantage of her by her father but I think what everybody in our life

is trying to say is like do you want to ruin these women's lives who don't come from wealth and don't have any power and don't like they don't have anything and Yaz is still very much like yes if it's between them and me I choose me

Well, the first time her lawyer says it to her, have you thought about these young women that you would be, or these women that you would be exposing to Harmon this way? She says, no, she actually hadn't thought about it. And like, that's yes, you know, like, and that's a lot of the like not thinking about the end, just thinking about the means. She hasn't thought about it. And her friend, former boyfriend, Maxim has just said to her on the phone, I think your father had trouble seeing people as people. And she's like, yeah, no, she's. but Yasmin has trouble seeing people as people as well. And she's not thinking about this list of names as people. She's thinking about it as, and like she's been put in a horrible position. There's no question. But then like the core when you get down to it is that Yasmin gave it the thought. She looked at the list. She thought about the people.

And then she took a bunch of mushroom pills and said it's them or me. I mean, I think the interesting part about that is what does Harper say during their conversation? She's essentially like, yo, yes, the fucked up thing about you is that you use everybody in your life, whether it's me or Rob, to basically try to assuage the reality of your situation, which is you'll always be fine. You've grown up in a world where you will always be fine. You are wealthy. People will protect you. And the moment that she has to think about women who don't have her privilege, about women who like cannot basically meet a bunch of powerful people who will scrub the internet. internet for them. She has to take a bunch of mushrooms to deal with the fact of like, oh, that is

my situation. And I think I feel for Yaz and then I don't. She really has that effect on people. Yaz is the perfect example of everybody in Yaz's life is like, look, you are attractive, you are generationally wealthy. Why are you so obsessed with not only people thinking that you're good at your job, but even having this job in the first place? Like, and I do think that is like, The reason is very hard for people to relate to Yaz is because you can be hot. You can have generational wealth. But if you're bad at your job, why should we patch you on your head? Like, hey, it's okay.

Where it's like, even in that episode, they're just like, Swipy's like, why would anybody hand this information over to you, Harper? And then, yes, is like, hey, do you want my social security with all of this PowerPoint information? Just let me know. Sweet P says, what do you want to list? And Yasmin says, here's the list. The thing about Yasmin is like, no, she is not good at this job. And like, while she has social, really strong social skills in some ways,

she's also not good at reading other people. But like, she does have skills. She speaks seven languages as she yells at her dad. Like, she is charming beyond sexuality. She is, you know, like she has skills, but an unwillingness to look at those skills outside of the things that her father or other nasty men around her have told her over and over

that, like, her most valuable asset is her sexuality and her proximity to powerful men, she can't get past that. Or to this point, she has not been able to get past it. She wants other people to get past it, but she also internally can't get past it. And that is, you know, we're circling that, like,

absolutely epic conversation at the end of episode six and give, like, every Emmy to Myhala and Marissa, Bella, like, the way that they use the insults that their fathers or father figures have hurled at them in just this very episode, against one another. It's like you said. It's like a breakup

when you know more about another person than they know about themselves. Like you understand this person in a greater way, but you're using that as a clutch to not understand yourself and to not better yourself for that other person.

And I think that's what we see in their friendship. You know, I think we kind of like toy around with the idea of like, is Harper a true soci? I still don't know, but like, I do think that she loves Yasmin and she loves being loved by Yasmin. But like, like, true, true love is sort of like sacrificing your power to another person.

And Harper can't do that. And Yaz can't not be loved back in the same way, I think. They're both, it's, I mean, it's kind of like we talked about with Rob, like they want to do this thing. and they can't sort of humble themselves enough. And that's what Petra says to Harper, that she's like friendship and contempt are two sides of the same coin,

and they have landed fully in contempt. The interesting thing from what Maxim said about Charles was he didn't see people as people. And the irony of Harper and he has his relationship is that both of them can't see people as people. But the only person that they see is each other, that's the only actual human connection where it's like, I do think

Harper loves yes when she finds her on the boat and she helps her after her father's death that is like the love of like a friend. I don't know if I would do the same thing, just legally speaking, but there was a moment where she's like, I want to take care of this woman

that I feel so much for, but I do think that's the tragedy of their relationship where it's like neither of them can really understand Rob because Rob has the most humanity and this is probably something that they're like, how do you even operate? Yeah, how do you keep moving forward

like a shark with all that empathy, Rob? And like the answer is that he doesn't. You know, he's not doing well and he's having to like take a pause. But to his credit, once he heard, Pierpoint doesn't get of a shit about you. They're going to throw you under the bus.

Everyone's willing to throw you under the bus. He was like, you know what? I'm going to pivot. Like I don't care about this company. He says, can't be arced. You know. deeply British. Just can't be ours.

Gonna grab this probably weird British seltzer and get the hell on out of here. The Europeans do have weird seltzer, I will say. Shout out the Euros. Like, I love y'all,

but the seltzer was weird over there. I'm not going to laugh. I did wonder if he was like, if he had actually grabbed one of those sort of like pre-canned gin and tonics that you can get all over England. And I hope so.

Like, well, actually, no, I hope not. Substances in him a little tricky. But yeah, they just, They can't, I mean, Harper's sort of superpower, the thing that Eric is, is trying to use against her, is when they have their epic all-out fight, where he has the nerve to call her a cunt. And she clocks him quickly and says, you, what does she's like, you come in here all emotionally incompetent? And have the nerve.

And have the nerve. She's like, you're streaming into my workplace acting like a child because you just got sexually rejected by the other daughter figure that you tried to use as a proxy to being an actual. What's up? Eric deserved to get clock, but let's not act like Harper didn't also go to Petra when the moment arise. She didn't even sit on this information for 24 hours.

She's just like, were you going to tell me about your drug problem? And I'm like, I was like, hey, yo, sis, come on. And she's like, it's for my, it was my son. And I was like, this is why I can't fuck with Harper. I know there's a lot of team Harper, but it's like every single moment where I'm like, you could show a little bit of empathy, Harper. You could not be a total sociopath. Eric is a lost fucking cause.

He is a demon. We know that. Harper, you still have a chance. And she's like, hell no. Yeah, and I don't want to say, I just appreciated the clocking because I feel like Eric doesn't really get clocked a lot. He got clucked a lot in these episodes. So, you know, great. I mean, fuck Eric also for being like, not only can you, not only does he get rejected, but then he's like, hey, yo, you're fired.

I'm just like, dog, like the crash out. And this is this, if we talk about the malignant tumor thing, the, like, I think the genius of industry. is we have seen Rishi and Eric utterly crash out. In the penultimate episode, Rishi has a broken arm and is still seemingly very much in debt after making a shitload of money. And I'm like, oh, PyrPoint is going to reward them. And that's actually the thing that I think is like,

oh, Rishi, Eric are going down the Bill Adler route where they're just like, death would be me not being here. When Rishi is like to Andrage and Sweepie, like, yo, we got a student. They're like, why, man? Like, why, if the boat is sinking, we might as well take some fucking Mali and let Anraj hit on some milfs. I was very proud of On Raj. I'm like, you go, my boy.

Me too, but I was also like, be careful. But however, I will say, Eric and Rishi are, if someone's going to die, they're kind of like my biggest bets for who's going to die. Well, let's pause that because I have the section that I did not talk to you about before we started recording called these are the outstanding questions that I have entering the season finale. You've already, you've already walked us into one. So let's go with that. Who is doomed? Who is not long for this mortal coil?

I think that we're in agreeance that Rishi and you're saying potentially Eric are on the board. I've gotten, it would be a great sort of irony. if after the penultimate episode where Eric fucked with the reality of a man who is dealing with a prognosis that he does not totally understand and made him believe that his cognition was in a different place than it was.

If Eric died, that would be, I think, some sort of sweet, sweet irony. Because the thing is, like you said, you were saying Eric and Rishi, it's like they are just willing to go, like, lowest of the low, PurePoint might reward them

for that. Like, they're going to be taken. But, like, you cannot control how the universe rewards you. And you actually can't control that with good behavior either. Like, I think, like, that is, like, the most fatalist message of this show and would be and is most enforced with

a death. So, yeah, I mean, money's on Rishi. I will not put my money on Rob, although I know he's in contention. All right, so my money, I have some money on Rishi. my pitch for Rob is here. The one thing is they can't lose another main cast member. I think Rob is the beating heart of this show just emotionally when when fucking

Yaz is doing her yeah shit and Harper is off. Like you can look to Rob and be like, my baby boy is still trying its best. And that's why I think that would be the death that would hurt the most because then it's, you're going into a season four now that's officially been announced where you're like, Like, wait, who still has any empathy left on this show? So I still have money on Rob. But my next question, I leads into this, which is the reason why I don't know if it'll be Eric, do you think that this season has been building, has been breaking Eric down to build him up as

potentially the Big Bad of Season 4? And what I mean by Big Bad is, I think we've seen Eric go forward. from the first to this season go from the mentor figure that knows everything to on the back foot in the second season just to be brought back into the fold with Pierpoint and then in the third season to basically be on the verge of getting fired at any given point. It would be extremely unlike industry to like punish Eric for being awful. You know, like, yeah, it will make the most sort of narrative sense. And because, you know, we know that it.

industry has gotten renewed for season four. I don't know how long they would want to see it go, like if they want to call it four or five seasons. It probably makes the most sense for Eric's downfall to come at the end. And I see Harper as the final boss of the biggest and baddest. Like, no one has their blinders up to humanity and the world around them like Harper is capable of. She's also capable of putting them down, I think.

But that is what Eric tries to attack her with, is that kind of like, I know you see yourself as a monster. And like, I can't imagine what it must feel like to know that you're a monster. And the externalized fantasy of what you really think of yourself, every moment of every day,

I want you to know from the bottom of my heart that what you think about yourself is true. But he's wrong. Harper doesn't think about herself that much. She might think she's a monster, but her superpower is ignoring it. And I don't think Eric has that superpower. Like the tables,

the more monstrous he becomes, the more aware of it he becomes. So he's going down one way or another. Oh, I think Eric is going down. But to your point, obviously, I think, I don't know if there are any heroes and villains of industry, but I do think Harper's journey and Harper's continued dissent is the core of this show. And I do think the relationship between Harper and Eric has always been the core of this show. And I would not be surprised if you

need to build Eric up to basically make the fall of the duo, both of those duos, hit even harder. Where it's just like, can we have another season of Eric up? crashing out and hitting on women half of his age and getting rejected, rightfully so, in steakhouses.

I can't watch him jack off in a bathroom another time. I'll tell you that much. My last outstanding question, and then I have want to know if you have any, is what are the...

Who do you think is more likely to go to jail or prison? Harper or yes? Because right now, Harper has committed so much insider trading. She's basically stopped doing the job

any other way. Yes. I mean, when Rishi's like, I'll give you information from inside this building. I'm like,

that's like definition inside or tray. Like, you're inside the building. She's hiding in bathrooms at this point. Yeah. Oh, my God.

We actually, I logged off of last week's podcast and was like, we did not even talk about tiny little Harper scuttling around that bathroom stall

trying to avoid getting seen. Like, literally hiding. Industry is one of the best shows on TV. It is one of my favorite shows. That moment was the one where I was like, so Harper is going to hide in the bathroom

at the exact moment she needs to to get this information. I was just like, it's the magic of TV. It was the one where I'm like, all right, I'm just taking off my believability cap. They're cooking in every other capacity. That's why I didn't talk about it. I'm just like, I'm not going to be hated.

We're not going to talk about that part. That's fair. I loved it. I mean, I just loved watching her scuttle around. She's a scudler. I just wonder if Harper could hear herself when she was saying to Petra, when Petra was like, oh, what's that now? How did you get this information?

How much insider trading have you been doing that we are risking hundreds of millions of dollars on? And Harper's like, I just don't think the FCC is going to be able to track any of that. You know, like I, as long as you don't get caught, then I think it's probably just fine. We are now at the point where I'm like multiple characters have started, whether it is Eric, now Petra, either she has told them or they are starting to figure out that she's been doing insider trading. And I am getting to this point where I'm like, is next season going to be Eric as this grenade in terms of just like, I think he's well aware of if he's more powerful at Pierpoint, I think he's well aware that how. how Harper was doing that stuff where he has a hint of it. And now you have Petra

who is calling Otto, which is basically like, this girl's about to fuck you out of your money. I don't know what's going to happen. But I was just like, I think the SEC might be knocking on Harper's door. And then Yaz, I'm like,

here's a thing. Yaz's dad was a dickhead. He was a monster. When he was overboard, I was just like, shouldn't save him. And I was like, hell yeah.

I was like, you did the right thing. This is right. You're doing the correct thing. in the eyes of the law, I don't know. It's sticky. And I was just like,

I was like, okay, you guys, because here's the thing. I was going to be like, not the smartest thing, guys. I do think you could have, if it was me, I would have been like,

oh, what do I do? What do I do? And then alert them because he's already drowning. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like, she could have waited like two minutes and then be like, all right,

now I'm going to tell someone. That's what I would. I would. But I think, And that scene at the very beginning of episode six where we finally get kind of like the full completed scene of what's gone on on that boat that is sort of like haunting

Yasmin and Harper. And it is, of course, that her dad died. She did not directly kill him, kind of like she said to Rob. And she didn't save him. That's the thing. She didn't kill him, but she didn't save him.

Because to save him is to damn herself to a life. of this repeating itself. Like, this man is not going to change. He is only digging in deeper and destroying himself and destroying you. And I really felt that in, like, the tense electro music

that is playing out over the course of them just saying the most god-awful things to one another is there is like this oppressive music that, like, Yasmin is hearing too, that really made me have this feeling of, like, this is never going to change. And all of a sudden, she's presented with, like, a way that it could.

It's not a real way. Because, like, if he just dies and nothing inside of her changes, then nothing in her life changes either. But if he dies, it feels like a real fresh start. I don't feel like she's really capitalized on that fresh start. But it is what I feel she was feeling in that moment when she goes to save him

to throw him the little lifesaver and then hesitates. And then for a second, she just can't see him anymore. And I think she lives in that reality for just long enough to be like, this feels maybe not better,

but different. I don't really think she can go to jail for that. She can go to jail for insider training, which I do also think she's done. I think, honestly, that's a good place to end unless you have any other outstanding questions heading into the season three finale.

Is there anything that you're wondering, pondering? Kai, you can jump in as well. I'm just excited. I just like, I cannot imagine where this is going to end. And I love how the finale ties up all this kind of weird shit where you're like, why is everybody talking about history all the time? Why did that one guy come and work at the office for a little while whose family's really rich?

These are the reasons. Now he's coming into Buy Pierpoint and everyone's obsessed with nostalgia. Why would you buy a bank just because it's existed for 150 years? Kai, do you have any questions going into the finale? I just have one. One outstanding question is just like, are Enrage and Sweepie going to land on their feet? That's all I need. I just, I need them to be okay.

That's where I'm at. I thought that too. Like, kind of my one question that like maybe won't even happen is just like, does anybody make it out? I don't know if Anraj is long for this world. Not death. My guy. If Sweet P takes Anraj with her, then he might make it out.

Well, Sweet P is a survivor. She will be fine. Our girl will be fine. I just need both of them in season four. They're too delightful of characters to miss. I'll say this. I'll be honest. I am, you can hear me on the Midnight Boys.

I'm anti-spinoff. Penguin, Agatha, not there. The less you know about people, the better. No, no Sweet Pee on Rush Spinoff, Charles. I would watch the shit have a Sweet Pee on Rush Benoff. Kai, back me up here. I'm right there.

I'm locked in. I would be just their whole, like they should move in together. Best friends navigating the world of London. Just like a buddy comedy. Yeah. Yeah. I would watch Sweet Peas ticot

gladly and I would buy any mascara as she told me to. But we don't need a whole show. You wouldn't support her own. Only fans? Are we not supporting sex workers here? Damn, Judy. We are, and I've already subscribed. So we're out of you, babe. She's like, Charles, Kai, have you, Kai, have you described to Sweet Peace?

I'm spoken for it. Don't get me in trouble. And Charles is the Eric of our workplace. Whoa. Whoa. Honestly, I did have a wonderful steak dinner this week, but it was with my best friend, and there was no talk of desire. When Eric says to be like, let me tell you about desire in human history. I'm like, man, if you don't get the fuck up. And Yaz said, let me stop you right there.

I got a credit card and I'm going to get out of here. That was another good decision that Yas made. Here's the thing. If anybody invites you to a steak lunch at work, just say no. Steak is dinner time. Yeah, in the day. That's a dark, that's a dark night time food. Martini's and steak in the middle of the fucking, it's, it's, it's,

Bad vibe. It's depraved. Unhinged. Go to fucking sweet cream like the rest of us. All right, Jody, Kai, I'm going to catch you as Sweet Green after we wrap this. Thank you guys for the listeners

for always supporting us. We're going to be back to talk about the season finale of industry season three very, very, very soon. Thank y'all so much. Have a wonderful week.