The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Insecure’ Season 5, Episode 4 Recap

Episode Date: November 18, 2021

Rachel Lindsay and Callie Curry sit down to discuss the latest episode of 'Insecure.' They talk about how the season has had its ups and downs thus far and what they would love to see as the final season continues. Hosts: Rachel Lindsay and Callie Curry Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Shop spring backyard days for seven days at the Home Depot. Now through May 6th, Exclusion supplies to homedipo.com slash price match for details. I want you to keep the scion because I did it for your match. I want you to keep that in because that literally is the mood that I have on what we're about to do. You guys, welcome to the Prestige TV podcast. Another insecure recap with Callie Curry, Rachel Lindsay, we're ready to go. We got a lot to talk about. I don't know if it's for the right reasons or for the wrong reasons, but we're going to discuss some things.

I feel like on this podcast, we're going to talk about things that maybe people are a little too afraid to talk about. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know where to start. Let's start off this. I think coming into this episode, it's tough because last week's episode, episode three called Pressure Okay, gave us Lawrence's story. Lawrence's point of view, which was so good. So, I don't know, real, relatable.

I felt like the old, insecure. It's what we needed. And so we're leaving that. and we're coming into this episode titled Faulty OK, where we meet the crew on the beach. When I say the crew, I don't mean everybody because I don't know if this is a theme for the rest of the season

or we're just laying the foundation for the show. But we got part-time main characters, never seen anything like it, not a fan of it. Yeah, there's a lot of people that you don't even know who they are, where they came from, what their storyline is, why they are here. Are they here for, you know,

one episode, two episodes? Will we ever see them again? Will we ever see them again? I don't know whether to get invested in someone or not. So true. Are they part-time? Will we ever see them again? I think that's the fun.

At the end of every episode and the start of the day for this one. So let's just get into this because one, I think more than any other season we've watched with Insecure is that each scene is drawn, out. It's moving at a Snell's pace. There are these weird pauses. I don't know if it's a dramatic pause or what. It's disjointed. The movement of the episode, the overacting. It feels like,

oh no, are you going to say, I think I know what you're going to say. I'm nervous. Shall we say it together? It feels like. I don't want to say it. A Tyler Perry play. Oh, I was going to say Medea. But that's the same thing. I know. I know. If that's the same thing. If this was, we were watching this on stage, I think I could take it in a lot better than I can for 30 minutes on the final season of Insecure. I have been talking to a bunch of people about this because I just want to hear what other people's opinions are because I can't tell if I'm being negative.

So just trying to hear other people's opinions and, you know, what their experience has been so far. And some of the questions that I have raised, one of my good friends who absolutely loves the show, came back to me with a point that kind of made me think, maybe I am wrong about this, was she was like, well, it is a sitcom. So what do you expect? Like, they had these moments in every single sitcom. Like, if you go back and watch friends, there's jokes that, like, you know, are a little bit too corny. And there's moments when things that happen are like that would never happen in real life.

There's a lot of loose ends that never get tied up. There's a bunch of characters that come in and out. And I thought about that point. And I was like, you're right. I guess that's just not how I view insecure. I don't view it as a sitcom. I guess it is, but that's just not how I take it in. I understand your friend's point.

But what I think is lacking in this episode is direction. I feel like we're just watching people move about, even scene to scene, seems disconnected rather than I understand the purpose or like episode three, we got it, right? We understood what we were watching. We were seeing Lawrence's life, his life in San Francisco, him trying to balance out this new, the birth of his son, him trying to balance out this new relationship with the mother of his child with the child.

We're seeing them navigate that. Are they together? Are they not together? You know, like separating them from the child. And then we see him question how he's going to be in his child's life. It had everything that you need for an episode. That's not what we watched in episode four. Yeah, episode three had a beginning, middle, and end,

and you kind of got to, you got invested in the characters, you wanted to know what they were feeling, you got to see what they were feeling. And then it left you with, like, you know, wanting more at the end of it, which is like usually what happens, like, in the middle of a season. At the end of this episode, I was like, who knows what's happening next week?

like it could be anything. Are we going back to Lawrence? Are we what's happening? And I mean, I'm just not sure. It just seems like we're getting a little bit of everything. And maybe it's because she's trying to wrap it up too quickly. I think one of the things that bothers me the most are the choices she's making. And I mean, I, you know, I guess that's part of like, you know, taking it a show.

You're not going to agree with everything that the. character is going to do. But I feel like a lot of people are wondering why the fuck is Nathan still there? I literally wrote in my notes. Can someone explain to me the Nathan appeal? Who asked for this? These are questions that I wrote down. Who asked for this?

I'm from Texas. I have had my fair share of Dallas, Houston, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, even the West Texas. All of them. And then the panhandle, okay? I've had my fair share of Texas man. Well-rounded. I'm a well-rounded, girl. Somebody also could have caught that something else.

But all I'm saying is I know Texas man, and I'm not saying that Nathan's not that. I'm just saying I don't get Nathan. I don't get, I get, he's supposed to be from Houston and have this different swag, but I'm not feeling that from him as I'm watching this episode. I just, I don't. And I'm at Nathan. And I think that's part of the reason why I can't stand this episode is I'm a Nathan hater and I'll be the first person to admit it.

I don't like him with Issa. I don't like, I thought we were done with him when he was dealing with his issues. Yeah. I thought we were done with him in episode two, I believe it was when Issa cried into his mouth and he disappeared. I was like, good, he's gone. And then bam, right at the start of episode four, we have Issa and her friends meeting up with Nathan and his friends. I need someone, anybody who's listening to this podcast, please write me,

and Callie and explain to us the Nathan Appell. Did your friend, by chance, who was really into the show, explain the importance of Nathan in this season? So I don't know if I'm a Nathan hater because I do think he's very good-looking and I really, really love a Houston accent. I love accents in general, but I like his accent specifically. I like Houston accents specifically. I think I like Texas accents.

You like Texas. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm into that. I just don't like him with Issa. He's done too many fucked up things. And I'm like, so you can let Lawrence go, but you can't let him go. You let Daniel go.

I was a huge Daniel fan. Really? Mm-hmm. But I can't say his character is not important in like the grand scheme of things. Because like how often do you have like a black man talking. about his mental health issues. Like, I like that. I just wish it was written for someone that I thought was good for the show.

What do you mean good for the show? That makes sense. Like, he's not good. I mean, it's not, it's not believable that Issa would still be interested. I guess so. I guess so you do bring up a very good point. The mental health aspect is great. But don't you long for more?

Don't you offer more conversations surrounding it? Because it was such a big issue. It's why he disappeared. It's like he gave it to us, but nothing else. And even in this episode, we see hints of the past of him dealing with it without any explanation. Yeah, it seems. And I haven't obviously, like, we don't know what's coming. So I'm like, maybe that's why he's still around.

Maybe that's why they're leaving these, like, little drops. Like he said, I was manic. when I lived with my was cousin, uncle, her cousin? And I was like, manic, okay,

so he's going to start talking about that. And then nothing. And I was like, okay, I need more of an explanation. Like, has he told us

what he's diagnosed with, bipolar, right? Yeah. No? Bipolar? He definitely told us. I believe it's bipolar, but I'm not quite sure.

I just wish he would go more in depth about his experience, how he discovered that that's what was going on, how he's been able to semi-fix it, because it seems like he's still struggling,

or not fix, deal. I guess deal with it, it's a better word. Yeah, how he's dealing with it because obviously he's got a much better handle on it, but he's still struggling. So is he a therapy? Like, I would love for him to talk about that

since we never see that. Yeah. So, like, there's things about his character that I think are important, but I just don't know if it's tied together well. And I'm also like, there's six fucking episodes left. How is she going to put a little like bow on all these characters? There's too much that has to happen. So getting us reinvested in Nathan, I'm like, that's just another person I need to know

what happens. Luckily for me, I am not invested in Nathan. And I'm counting down the episodes to where he is no longer with us. Now, I, you're right. There is importance to Nathan. And I also think that it's very clear that Nathan and Issa together, it's toxic, right? They keep going back and forth with one another. She goes to him when it doesn't work out with somebody else.

We don't know what he's dealing with internally. And I think that I'm guessing here, we're going to fill in the gaps because there's so many of them. But I'm assuming the presence of his cousin cannot just be a one-off. It's to give us some. It's got to be, right? Like, it's got to be to give us something else about Nathan when he disappeared. Maybe that's where he went. Because remember, Issa's like, well, I didn't even realize he had family.

It's, we got to have something more with that story. And I'm thinking that that was just planting a seed that's going to grow into something else. I don't know. Don't think we're going to see the cousin again. But I feel like the importance is to show the messy side of Issa. Like when you think Issa's got it together, then she goes back to what she knows, what's familiar, which a lot of us do. So I understand that aspect. Have you heard of the term recycling bodies? Absolutely. And I think a lot of women do this. Men too. Men too. Yeah, maybe men

too. But like, I know my friends have talked about it. Like, if I'm going to have sex with someone, I might as well, like, have sex with that guy instead of adding to my body count. Let me be very clear. now that I'm 32 years old, I had to think about that. I don't know why. Who gives a fuck how many bodies you have? It's not going to matter at some point. Be a molly. Be a molly. She sure don't care. Be a Molly. Actually, I saw a meme that was like, girl, it ain't going to work or something. Just go be a ho. And one of my friends was like, yeah. And I was like, girl, do it. Just do you. You only live once.

But I think women, and you know with being comfortable with someone too, sometimes you're not in the mood to like just be vulnerable with someone, learn someone, take a chance with someone and then it be bad. So sometimes you're like, you know what I'm just go with what I know. Let me get this above average dick and, you know, I know what I'm getting with it. I was just about to say exactly what you're getting for. So I feel like maybe that's a little bit of it. you're comfortable with the person.

So, you know, taking a step back, what ESA is doing actually is kind of relatable because we do it so often. We do. But again, and I preface this all by saying I'm a hater. I don't want to see it with Nathan. I would like her to go back to Lawrence. You know how I feel about Lawrence and Eason. I told you I felt this strongly since Melanie and Derwin. Going back to the beach.

Now, I'm new to L.A. So, you know, the episode starts with them on the beach. First time I watched it, I thought they were in a different city state. I don't know why. Second time I watched it, I was like, oh, that truck says Los Angeles County. I clearly wasn't invested in the episode. That's why I had to watch it the second time. It's not that it came.

I'm wondering where else you thought they were. I just saw water and I forget that the ocean, I never go to the ocean. I just forget. I don't know what I was thinking. But my thought also was, is this normal for black people to get together and congregate on the beach like this in L.A.? Because I definitely missed out on that this summer. I haven't seen anything like that. I was like, oh, do they have food trucks and parties and stuff like this on the beach?

I've never heard of like, you know, a thing that people can just go to, right? But, like, I've definitely had, like, someone be like, yo, we're all going to the beach pull up. And you get there and there's, like, 50 people there. You probably know, like, 20 of them. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, it's more of a, it's not like a, oh, are you going to this event or, like, something that happens, like, every third Thursday or something like that.

It's not like that. It's, or I've never been to anything like that. But I have been to, like, oh, we're doing a beach day to day. we're going to be at this spot pull up type thing. I didn't do summer right because that should have happened to me at some point this summer.

Not that I'm a huge fan of the beaches out here, but still, should have happened for me at some point. I'm not a big fan of the beach, period, because I'm not a big fan of sand. So... You know who else is it? Nathan.

This was the most Texas thing I saw from him in this episode. He had his forces on on the beach. Shoes. He had his forces on. I said, that is Texas. As much as I don't like sand, I will not be wearing shoes on the beach.

When I saw that, I was like, pause the screen. Okay, that's what I thought I saw. That's, yes. Kendrick is actually from Houston, right? Right. Right, right, right. That's the most Texas thing that he did in the episode. Now, another thing that I saw pop up,

and I want to know your take on this, is the issue surrounding spades. I did see this on social media. Oh, yeah. So at one point in the episode, one of the guys from Aden's group is like, hey, y'all want to play spades. And Issa is like, oh, what's that?

Like pity pat? Which is hilarious that she said that. We grew up playing that game. Grandfather taught me that game. And they're like, no. And she's like, oh, well, y'all teach me? And they're like, we're not going to teach you. You're too grown, basically, did not know how to play spades.

Callie, do you know how to play spades? Yeah, I do know how to play. I'm very good. I don't fuck around. I would not want to teach someone how to play spades. All right. And if you reneg, it's going to be an issue. I'm way too competitive in life, but specifically with Spades.

The woman that I was talking about, my friend who loves the show is like my Spades partner. Okay. Okay. And we'll take on anyone. I'm also, Seth and I play Spades together and we did really good at a party once. I don't think we lost a game. Really? Thank God.

because if we did, it would have been my fault or his fault, and it wouldn't have ended well. But I do think that this is a thing. I think it's, I don't know, I've been playing cards since I can remember. Like, cards is just like something that we did in our family. Do you judge black people who don't know how to play spades? Judge is strong, but I'm like, what did you do?

Right. It's why not? You know, like, how did you make it this far and not know how to play spades? surely you were at some family reunion, some party, where there were dominoes, spades, something being played. Well, one or the other. I think you need to know how to play spades more than I think you need to know how to play bones. Okay.

AKA Dominoes for those listening and are unclear. Excuse me. Yes. Dominoes. Like, I feel like Domino's is harder to, like, travel around with. You can get cards anywhere. Which also when they said they want to play spades, I was like spades on the beach. I'm sure it's not windy. Like how are y'all playing spades on the beach? Those cars are going to be flying everywhere.

See, being from Texas, did not even think of that. Didn't even cross my mind. I've never seen anyone play cards on the beach. That's so funny. But what would have worked on the beach? Bones. Yeah, you could play dominoes. Would have worked.

But there was no wind. Instead, there was an earthquake. Which brings us to the moment Callie hates the most in this episode. It's just so unnecessary. Pizza gates. What did you despise so much about this moment? First of all, I'm a germaphobe, so let's just put that out there. But I'm like, okay, earthquake, that happens in L.A.

Dropping the pizza, maybe a little dramatic. I've never, like, shaken so much that I was like, oh, like drop the pizza. But whatever. Maybe he was scared. He's from Texas. He's from Texas. But like, why did the character that I've never heard of take the pizza from the sand and eat it? Why? Why was that necessary? I need answers on why that was written in there.

Was it supposed to be funny? It was. It was. It was. But I couldn't get past the fact that he had like 15. boxes in his hand and not all of them fell and landed on the sand. So he clearly could have opened another box and grabbed the pizza. That's what I couldn't get past. Like logically, I just don't know. I don't know why that was in there. But I think maybe somewhere somebody laughed. Just wasn't me. I laughed after because it's not that it was funny. It was just so ridiculous that it was like,

y'all really tried to make this happen. So when he grabs the sandy pizza, he wipes off the pizza, and he's like, forget this. This is right after the earthquake. And he's like, I'm headed to the beach. And then Nathan awkwardly yells out to everybody, hey, as if everybody on the beach could hear him and everybody stops. And they say, and he says, drinks on clips or whatever, we're going to, and he names out a bar. He's like, drinks are on the shop, the barbershop. Okay. So I guess it was a barbershop party. everybody starts packing up to leave. And then as they're leaving, they pan out to a shot of the water. And all by as lonesome is the guy eating his pizza in the water.

Oh, I did not see that. I did not see that. I didn't see until the second time. And I was like, they really tried to make this moment happen. And I laughed to myself because I said, that was a lot. That was a lot. Yeah, it was quick. It was quick. Yeah, I need to rewatch it. I'm going to rewatch it and see. Yeah, I have to. I have to. But so that's also not funny to me, but I'm sure it's funny to someone. But I think another point that my friend said, because we're going back and forth

for a while, I want to watch an episode, which it won't happen because I just don't have enough friends here in Philly to do it. But I would like to watch an episode with like five girlfriends, drinking wine. Because like if you're like tipsy with your friends, like maybe some of those dumb things do make you laugh, you know? And I do think Issa writes this for group consumption. Yeah. I mean, for girlfriends, right? Because we see her with her girlfriends. She's navigating this world. It's like it is like a sex in the city. I hate to compare it to that. But you know what I mean. Like a group of girlfriends that you. you see together. That makes sense. I still don't think we would have laughed. You and I could have

been watching it. We would not have laughed. I would have paused on the guy. We would have. No, we would have looked at each other like, bro. Like, we would have laughed. It just would have been at them, not with them. And there you go. And sadly, that wasn't the most cringe-worthy moment of this episode. So they leave the beach. Then they go to this bar. Sharkies, I believe it is called. Okay. That's a real bar, right? You're asking the wrong. You know, I'm not an L.A. girl.

Okay. Sounds familiar. It sounds familiar. But on the way to the beach, one of the things that Issa's dealing with is she's trying to navigate this awkwardness that she has between Nathan because she cried in his mouth

and when she fell asleep and when she woke up, he was gone. So they have this awkwardness between them. Issa thinks that he has a relationship with this other girl, their mutual friend. She finds out on the way that that's not the case. So she's like, man, he just has an issue with me. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I need to talk about that. I loved, that was like my favorite part of the episode, I think.

When he was put on that sandal? No, no, no. I don't even know what sandal you're talking about. No. No. In the car, Issa texting her best friend in the group. I'm like, that shit happens all the time. When you're with your best friend and you're in a group of people, just know we're texting back and forth about things that are happening. I enjoyed that. I then also enjoyed her Molly asking Krasha, Kresha, whatever. Unclear. Yeah. Asking her like, you and Nathan hook up. All of that was just so relatable. Because like how many times have you wanted to know something, has your best friend wanted to know something? You're like, oh, let me find out. I'll make it like not obvious at all. You'll get your answer without like, you know, whatever, making it weird. And I was like that, like those moments, I'm like, yes, this is what I want. I want to see real relationship. I want to see, I mean, like, we came to insecure and fell in love with insecure because of

Issa and Lawrence and Issa and Molly. Like those are the relationships you want to see. So like that one minute, one minute and 32nd part of the episode, I was like, yes, this is, I love this. That's a good point. And I'm also going to point out that your favorite moments of this season happened in a car. Remember when they were playing the T-Pain? I think it was T-Pain.

No, no, dream. I say T-Pain every time, because that's what I was doing. Dream in the car. You loved that moment because you were like, I can relate to that. That's what we did. Same with this. Very, very true. That was a good moment.

And I'm glad, you know what, Callie, thank you for pointing out the good moments. No problem, no problem. I got a list of bad ones. That's what I'm here for. And I appreciate that. So moving to another bad one. Or awkward one, I should say.

They're at Sharkey's. They're sitting there. And then all this, Issa and Nathan are having this conversation of trying to navigate, like, what is their relationship, what boundaries they have, what expectations they have with one another. And then this stranger comes in super excited. Nathan's super excited. We learned that that's Nathan's cousin. He was a stranger to us until that announcement. Okay. Stranger.

He also walks in with a woman who turns out to be his wife who looks just like Tasha Adam. Did you catch that? No, but you're right. I was like, is that Tasha? Did Tisha get a roll? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, they definitely resemble. Looked just like her.

And there's an awkwardness immediately that you noticed between Nathan and Velma. I think that's her name. Velma. And Velma, the wife of the cousin. Which my immediate thought was, oh, they used to fuck around. Me too.

I was like, oh, I thought Nathan had sex with her while living with them and did it behind his cousin's back. And the whole episode, I was trying to figure out, does the cousin know or does he not know? Exactly. And wouldn't that have been a better storyline? We were so wrong. Wouldn't that have been a better storyline?

And that's why he got, I mean, it's messy. I'm not saying I want that for the cousin, but it's messy. And even if he did it when he was in, you know, a manic state, it would make sense to just like why he never told Issa about them. Maybe he's ashamed of it, things that he's working on in his past. I just needed more. Yeah, I hear you, but no, I'm glad it wasn't the storyline because then that would have introduced like a whole other thing that we needed to figure out. Why not? And we got 10 directions going on right now.

So I can't add another direction to it. But I was paying attention during watching the episode waiting to find out if the guy knew that they fucked around or not. Right. Only to find out

that they had never fucked around and I made the whole thing up in my head. Well, we all did. If it makes you feel any better. Because it was, it was as if the cousin wasn't in on it. He wasn't noticing the awkwardness between the two of them,

but it was very noticeable to the audience. But then the cousin was just like, they were just so happy to be around each other. It was like, okay. And then remember when she makes the weird comment, like, or, you know, run around with Nathan, you might end up on the back of a milk carton. And he was like, yeah. Yeah, that's funny. And it's like, that line is how we felt this entire episode.

Yeah, that's funny. I was like, what the fuck happened? And a milk carton? I was like, something went wrong. But I wasn't sure she was just salty because they were hooking up. They're not hooking up anymore. Also her leaving, I was like, why not stay? But that's why it played into that they had an affair.

It was weird for her to be around. She just didn't want it. She decided to leave. It all made sense. Then we get to the most cringe-worthy moment of the episode. And that is when they decide to leave Sharkies to go across town to a Jason Derulo party. Like this is where I don't understand. what Issa was doing with this.

Of all the people that you're excited, or were they making fun of Jason? I don't know. Of all the people that you'd want to leave, of all the R&B singers, or even, he's not that, pop singers, rappers, houses that you could go to. The person you wrote into the script was Jason Durillo.

I at least thought, okay, maybe they're doing that because we're actually going to see Jason Durullo. We didn't even see Jason Durullo. I feel like maybe. You know, Jason Derulo's popping on TikTok right now, right? And like the one big guy that we, I don't know his name that they introduced this episode, he kept doing like the TikTok dances to Jason Derulo.

I didn't even catch that. Yeah, like Jason Durillo's song, he has all these songs right now that like are viral on TikTok and he does all the dances. He's like a big TikToker. So I feel like she did it to like work in TikTok and his little dance moves. and like it made the, like, you know, I'm sure it made people giggle with the big guy being like, I want to fight, I want to tussle and like doing the TikTok moves.

But for him, but, you know, and I'm going to call him Faison. I'm going to call him Faison love because that's what he looks like. That's what he looks like. But Faison, it made sense for him. But everybody was like, oh, Jason DeRulo, oh. And it's like, black people aren't excited about Jason Terulo like that. Let's be honest.

No, black people are not excited about Jason Drullo. I think Gen Z or Zillianles in between Gen Z and millennial. Not black ones. No, but they're on TikTok. So, and I have, I'm like pretty sure Jason DeRillo has these huge parties. Like, it's an actual thing. I believe that. It would have made more sense for the age group if they were going to like a Jamie Fox party.

A hundred percent. That would, that would have made me. more sense. They could have even done a Carl Thomas party and it would have made more sense for them. That's a reach. But you get what I'm saying. It fits the generation. It fits the generation. I get what you're saying. You know what I mean? I would say we're in our 30s, not our 50s, but, you know, I understand what you're saying. Yeah. I don't know. I couldn't like, when I think of Jason Drill, I'm like trying to think of a song. And I feel like if someone were to like, go on Spotify and play his songs, I'd probably know like 20 of them. But at the top of my head,

all I say is Jason Derulo. Like, that's all I got. You and Faison. That's all that he had to say. I don't know, I don't know his songs either. I'm sure if you played it, I would like, oh, that sounds familiar. I didn't realize that was Jason Durula. Yeah. He has a lot, a lot of hit songs. I just can't think of them. I think so. Yeah. These days, I think of him as a, as a social media star. I know he's more than that, but I just, that's why I'm making. Yeah, that's part of what he does. He is, but he makes music that does really well on social media. Oh, I'm looking, I'm looking at a list now.

What you say? What you say? Trumpets. I do know those. Wait, trumpets is the, that one? I think so, Callie. I think that's what you were trying to do. I'm pretty sure.

Talk dirty. Like these are older songs, but yes, I do. Okay, there's a few of them. Savage love. That's a new one. But didn't he steal that from somebody else? Oh, I have no idea. I don't know that.

Don't, don't hold me to that. But if this was who wants to be a millionaire, and this was like the $25,000 question and you put four songs up and you told me to pick the one that was Jason Derulo's, I would know. I mean, I'm looking at a list right now, but you know what I mean? I know he has songs. It's just not, I don't listen to him as the point.

To be fair to Jason Derulo, I'm not good with like song titles. I'd have to hear a song. For sure. So you'd fail to. You'd walk away with nothing. But yeah, that moment was like a stretch. They were really trying to make it funny and it just went on for too long. I do think it's relatable.

How many times have you heard of someone that's like, oh, let's go here. And it's like, absolutely. Do you have the pull or do you not have the pull? I'm not about to be standing up. I will say it's not relatable how they stood outside. I'm leaving. If we are not walking straight in, I'm out. I'm not about to sneak in no back door. No. If they don't want us here, I'm not going to be here. That is a relatable moment. But I couldn't get past why they were there and who they were there for. And because Faison kept singing Jason Derulo. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? But then when we're like, okay, we're at least moving on from this. We're walking away.

It is very L.A., though. Like, oh, so-and-so is having a party. Let's go to this person's house house party. Like, how long have you been in L.A., first of all? A year. And it is. You're right. Oh, okay.

But you're right. And I moved during COVID. So it's different. I don't know how old they're supposed to be in this. But in my 20s, because I lived in L.A., in my 20s, every weekend this happened. You were doing something, you're doing something, then you heard so-and-so had a party at their house,

you went to their house. It's normal. You get in. Yeah. It's normal. I'm not mad they left and went to a party. It's the motivation for the party. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I got you. I got you. But that's what I couldn't get past. All right. So then the episode, we're getting towards the end. And we finally get the answer to what I guess we were questioning or maybe what we assumed when we see the conversation between Nathan and his cousin

and we really get a whole lot of nothing. They're in the street talking. I mean, Nathan gets something from this, but as an audience, for me, it was a little bit of letdown because I thought it was something so much bigger, bigger than what we got. Bigger is not, I think it, I thought it was juicier. I thought we were going to get something juicier than what we got.

What we got was, more on, you know, his journey through mental health, essentially. But journey? Well, yeah, I didn't know that he lived with his cousin and then was kicked out and had nowhere to go and was kind of living on the street because he had mental illness. Like, I feel like all of that is like, you know, part of why Nathan is the way that he is, why he seems to, like, not really trust people, why he's, like, gone. on with the wind or I don't know what other phrase to use there. So like I think it kind of tells

more about Nathan, but like what I thought I was getting was some scandal. I thought I was going to get some tea. And then I got that and I was like, oh, which, you know, is probably way more meaningful, but like I was ready for juice. But you know what? It could have been more meaningful if it was because did the cousin know that he was manic or did he just know that he was a problem? Because I don't think his cousin would have kicked him out had he known. And I think that it could have been like, hey, I was going through this. I was struggling. I didn't, you know, like, oh, I didn't know that. And it's just this, it could have been a moment of what you were touching on as far as this really happens. And we could have seen it play out. But it just ended as

quickly as it started. That's why I keep thinking we're going to get more. And this is, there's more to the story. Because if that's the end of that character, it was, it took up too much air in this episode, my opinion. Yeah, I wish that we got more from that moment. I will say, you know how you said, I think his cousin probably wouldn't have kicked him out. I think family does kick you out, even knowing they give up. And it's just super sad, but I think it like, I think that does happen. And since I've only known his cousin for about 12 minutes, I can't, I don't know what kind of person he is. But I wish we would have known more to the story. Like, how long was he living with his cousin? How often did this happen? Did his cousin know?

Did his cousin say, you have to get therapy or you're out? Or like, how did it all happen? We just don't know. Right. But it did tell more of Nathan's story. But at the end of it, it left you being like, huh? Right. Right. Well, what left me being like, huh, was Nathan and Issa kissing at the end, basically defining what their relationship is with that kiss. And then the earth shook, which was supposed to be symbolic. You know, they kissed. It created an aftershock, whatever it was. Did you feel that? I felt nothing. And I felt nothing. All I thought was, well, now Nathan is going to be in the next few episodes. So maybe we will get more character development in regards to Nathan, hopefully moving forward.

But all I could think of is, okay, so you're going farther and farther away from Lawrence and I'm not having it. And I just, and I'm also, let's go back to the part-time characters, please. I get laying the foundation in one episode, maybe two. And so I was willing to move at a slower pace and to try to understand where we are because we've taken a year off to connect season four to season five. But we're in episode four right now. and I'm still not feeling like,

I still feel like we're laying a foundation and I just need this to pick up and everybody come together. In episode five, I need the whole cast to be present. We don't really need Tiffany and her husband, but everybody else can come.

Can come back. I will say, I am invested in condolences and Lawrence's relationship. When I, I, I posted on Instagram, thoughts of the season. I got at least 15 different versions.

Condolence, confetti, condolice, Condoleza Rice. Like, I don't know if that's your thing on Twitter, but everyone is clowning the name. I didn't even say her name right to her face, apparently, at the premiere. I think I called her Candola. Wait, what's her real name? That's not a real name.

Well, when I was, her real name is Christina, but when I was referring to the character, I was like, It's Condola? I think it's Condola. It's Condola. And I was like, is Candola having a girl or a boy? That's what I said. Well, we found out a boy. It was a boy.

I am invested in their relationship. So much. And I really thought episode three was like, these things happened in real life. I'm really invested in Kiki Palmer, by the way. Oh, I think she did a really good. job, by the way. So good. Great character. I think that's how 99.9% of sisters are acting in that situation. Absolutely. I really appreciated it. Some of the part-time characters, like, I don't really care too much about to know what their final journey is. I've given up on it. You know what else is

really relatable? What? According to my friends, Molly, being where she is in life, haven't been able to find the right person and take it to the streets. Molly's, okay, yes, I've been a Molly. I don't know if you have, but pre-Bachelor,

like right after a bad breakup and before I went on the Bachelor, Molly, straight Molly. I think everyone has this Molly moment. You have to have this Molly moment at some point in your life. Can I ask you this? Do you think Molly's happy where she is in her life right now? Like where we're saying her.

Okay. No. But I think you can be happy in your Molly moment. So I'm not saying. I wasn't. But you're right. You can be because it's a choice. In mine, I wasn't.

I was running away. I didn't want to be alone. I remember this. I didn't want to be alone. I didn't want to deal with my thoughts, my feelings. So I would just be out. about trying to distract myself from myself. That's the life I was living.

But that doesn't have to be everybody. I think I was happy. I think I was just living life, doing what I wanted to do. I had a ton of fun. In my 20s, yes. That's my Molly was in my 20s. Okay. My 30s moment was in the 20s.

No, I was over it. Yeah, I got married at 29. So my Molly was definitely in my 20s. But yeah, I had a great time. There's definitely moments in that time period. Like if you're single for, you know, whatever period of time, like too long of a time, like you're ready to not be single. When you're ready to not be single and you're still single, it's not fun. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's Molly. Yeah. But that's where Molly is right now. But I think that especially, at least for me and like my friends, my friends that are in their 30s and haven't found the right person and are still single. single and they're, you know, trying to open themselves up. I think it's brave. I don't know if brave is the right word, but I think it's brave of Molly to just like, you know, kind of relax and try to try new things. Because I think that's hard, especially when you're at that point of your life,

you're like, I know what I want. This is what I want. I'm only focusing on that. It's like, well, if you're not getting that, like, take a step back, you know, have fun. And maybe it'll just fall on your doorstep. Sometimes like trying too hard. and push the right thing away. I feel like in your 30s when you're ready and wanting to, especially like Molly's financially stable. So like she's, the career part of your life is like checked off.

Then a lot of people move on to like, what's the next part of my life I want to check off? Right. And for a lot of people that's, you know, marriage, family, whatever, that's not for everyone. But it seems that's what Molly wants. Yeah. And so you are like, you know, a little bit unhappy with where you are, where you are.

But I'm a big believer that there is someone for everyone and that everything happens for a reason. And trust me, there's plenty of things that happened in my life where I was like, why the fuck did this happen? Like, I can't wrap my head around why it happened. But it leads you to where you eventually end up. And I think it all makes sense in the end. So I still think your 30s are you're super young. Still think you have time. But it's hard to see that when you're in Molly's position.

And it'll be interesting. All very well said and very, very true. Maybe we should have like a therapy session with Callie, like a last five minutes, like a five minute corner. So well said. I'm into that. Yeah. It totally can make it a segment.

I'm sure the people love it. It'll be interesting. While I was listening to you say this, it made me realize we really haven't. gotten a lot from Molly in these four episodes. Other than the friendship at the beginning with Issa, and it seemed like they were just went through an awkward phase and they're back to normal. We haven't seen a lot of character development with Molly this season of, you know, her relationship, even her workplace. We haven't even really seen her on the job yet. And we know that she's got

some issues with that. So I feel like that. Actually, we saw the preview. What am I talking about? Yeah, I think that's coming. It's a Molly episode. Next week is a Molly centered episode. but I didn't even think about that. We were right on point with our analysis here. It's time for a Molly episode. We need to figure out what's going on with her. I didn't see Lawrence. And I'm not about to go to episodes without seeing Lawrence.

I'm not happy about that. So I'm just letting y'all know if we recap the next episode, that's the energy I'm bringing into it. We need more Lawrence. I'm happy about a Molly episode, though, because I'd like to see that develop. The characters I'm invested in, I need them to be, like, wrapped up by the end.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. And I love that you have this social media that you're asking these questions on social media. I'm going to do that next time. If you're listening to this, you know, share the episode with your friends. Let them know that we're recapping insecure. We're giving a very honest, real raw take. We're asking the questions that you're thinking maybe you're too afraid to stay in your friend group because they're like Callie's friends. They're actually enjoying the episode as they're watching it. Listen. Listen, I am still. locked in. I'm still enjoying it. I think that maybe because we know it's last season also, it's making us judge it. Yeah. Sure. Bitter. We're judging it more harshly because we just want so much more. I just don't know how you finish in six episodes. There's so much more. It's got to move fast. And maybe wouldn't it be a surprise if the episodes become longer than 30 minutes? I don't know. That would be a great surprise. You know, that might be one of the issues. 30 minute episodes,

And I know this has been a complaint since season one. They're so fucking fast. So fast, fast but move slow. That's, how do you do that? There's an art to that. I don't know how you do it. Y'all, I'm talking about the episode just because I didn't like this last one. If I had recap season, episode three, it would have been totally different.

But as you just heard, I watched it twice. So don't listen to me. I'm clearly into the show. We will be recapping it probably the next one next time. Let us know, write us, let us know what you want to hear, what your thoughts. are. If I was too critical, complain about that. Let me know. We'll put up some questions, some polls, because I want to know what you guys are thinking. I love hearing how people experience the episode because I do think that changes like level of happiness at the end of the episode.

Right. Because I'm going to tell you, if I'm drinking wine with my girlfriends, let's say five girlfriends drinking wine, it's not going to be much I don't like. I don't like almost anything you put on the You'll also have not seen the episode. You will have talked through the entire episode because that's how those watch parties go. I am going to try an experiment. Before the next time we recap, I am going to watch it with someone. I will try to get a group, but I am at least going to watch it with someone. And I'm going to see if I experience the episode in a different way.

I don't know how you're going to do that with your busy schedule, but good luck. I don't neither. I was watching today while I was getting my nails done. Okay, the second time around. You guys, it's been fun. You know, despite the episode, it is what it is. We're just happy to have Insecure on. Happy to be recapping it.

I can't wait to see what Issa and the gang give us next week. We'll be recapping it. I'm sure, if not this episode, other episodes. Because guess what? We only have six more left. So I know. So sad. Start with a sigh and end with a sigh.

Bye, guys. We'll see y'all next time. Adios. Thanks.