The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Insecure’ Season 5 Premiere

Episode Date: October 28, 2021

Rachel Lindsay and Callie Curry break down the fifth and final season premiere of Issa Rae’s HBO show, ‘Insecure.’ They discuss their initial thoughts, favorite moments, the Tiffany controversy, the decision to end the episode on Issa and Lawrence’s relationship, and predictions for the season.  Hosts: Rachel Lindsay and Callie Curry Associate Producer: Erika Cervantes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Kayak. Got that right. What's up, everybody? This, can we call this a prestige TV takeover? I am Rachel Lynn Lindsay. And I am Callie Curry. And we're taking over Prestige TV podcast because we got something to talk about. And that is insecure.

Insecure. New season, season five, highly, highly anticipated. The last season, so technically this is, the beginning of the end. That's what this should be called. Off the bat, when you watch Insecure, do you watch it live and follow what's going on on Twitter? No. I don't watch it live, but this episode made me think what are like the ideal circumstances to watch Insecure because I feel like it changes your experience. Like if you're watching along with social media.

Watching along with social media, watching with a group of friends. Like I watch. this episode and I watched it the first time alone at night, kind of late, kind of tired. And like I finished the episode and I was like, oh, it was okay. And then my one of my really good friends was like, wasn't that the best episode ever? And was like so hype. And I was like, what? And I was like, what? You liked it? And she was like, I loved it. It was so good. And I was like, what made you like it? And she was like, well, I watched with like five of my best friends. We had like an insecure party. But like, it made me think I'm like, that's how you're supposed to take an insecure.

Like it's meant to be, especially, I think, for like black women. It's meant to be watch it with your home girls. Yeah. I watched it like you. And I couldn't agree with you more because as I was watching it and seeing how it started off and the friends going to college and the friend group was all together and they were also hyped to be with one another. I was like sitting in my bed watching it on my computer screen.

And I was like, this is not, this is not hitting the moment. But I'm so glad that you. you said it was okay. Because that's how I thought it was too. I rewatched it and I liked certain things better. But overall, I wasn't like overwhelmingly happy about it. But I also think that they were trying to like take us all back and show us like how they became friends to begin with.

So it wasn't what I wanted because I wanted to be like set up for the rest of the season. And I don't feel like that happened. We hope that's not what happened. If this is setting the toll for the rest of the season, we are in for a huge disappointment. I'll tell you, sorry, apologize for the noise in the background. If you listen to me on other podcasts,

you know my dogs like to make an appearance on every single podcast. Shout out to Copper and Brownie. We're misbehaving in the background. I'm nervous about this season because of what we saw in this episode. It didn't give me enough. We had to wait till the very end of the episode

to even see a lot of the episode to even see a Lawrence, which I was very disappointed about. But let's start with the top of the episode. So, okay, so we start off this episode, and we see, okay, we see the group headed to Stanford, you know, for a big reunion. We see Kelly and Tiffany in the car with Molly and her husband.

Issa flies down there. And we're all like kind of picking up what we left off, right? Like, what's going to be up with Molly and Isa? Yeah. Will Lawrence make an appearance? Will we see Andrew? Like there's so many questions that we have. But we start off with the friend group.

And I was overwhelmed. Yeah, I also think that the way the show ended last time, like everyone is most invested in what's happening with Issa and Lawrence. So to like not get anything. And then at the end, they essentially break up. And I was like, wait. So even my husband, because he watched it last night with me again, And he was like, so is that a flashback from before?

And I was like, no, that's like the most up to date thing that just broke up. And he was like, why did they break up? How long were they together? I was like, I don't know. Hopefully they tell us something. Yeah, no, they got to give us something. I was on the red carpet before the premiere. And I was asking, I asked Molly, well, Yvonne, let me call her by her real name.

I asked Yvonne, I said, are you satisfied with the way things ended this season? And she kind of looked up and was kind of like, she was about to say no. But then she said, I think the fans are going to be very happy. So that was a good tease because I'm like, well, what does that mean? Does that mean we'll be happy with friendships? Does that mean we'll be happy with love relationships? Does that mean we'll be happy with career-wise where things are going? I'll tell you this, though, when they got to Stanford, one of my favorite moments is when they walk into whatever the opening thing is for the

reunion and they see that friend. I cannot remember her name who was like popping it and was a part of it was a part of whatever rap group they had. And I love that moment because that friend group, Tiff, Kelly, Issa, Molly, no matter where they are, they are always themselves. They are at this Ivy League school, a predominantly white institution. And they are full out being themselves in the middle of those crowd. And I was like, this is such a beautiful moment.

And it just reminded me of my friend group. Yeah, I thought there was like, I feel like there was certain things that were purposeful. Like they panned across the room and showed like literally all white people, like made sure to let you know. They went to a PWI. And then they had the girl. I can't remember her name either. But then they showed her like just doing her own thing and then they all go over there. I had in one of my group chats, someone was like,

this, I think Bomani Jones, actually, if you don't follow him, apparently he live tweets, because he had some good tweets. Oh, yeah. But people were like, I'm so happy that I went to an HBCU. Because of that moment? Yeah, yeah. Because, like, their experience, like, if they were at an HBCU reunion, like, it would be a much different atmosphere.

So I would argue against that, and mainly because I'm being defensive because I didn't go to an HBCU. I did not either, by the way. But what I love is that to me, I think the reason it was so relatable is because, yes, you're at a predominantly white institution, but you always find your people and you always make the best of the moment. And it doesn't matter where you are and who you're around. You find each other and you act like you would if you were at an HBCU. And so for me, I honestly think it almost makes the relationships that much more deep because there are so few of you and you find one another and you hold on to one another because you need that support as you're going through those four years in school. Did we know that she went to Stanford

before last night? She went to Stanford in real life, right? It's a good question. You're looking up. I feel like I thought that I knew she did because I was like, oh, she went to Stanford in real life. You know, she's got a real name. And so I was like, oh, she's pulling from her real life stuff. But I don't know if they've talked about it on the show. I just know that. She did go to Stanford in real life. So, yeah, I don't remember them ever saying it on the show.

Because, like, when they showed them walking with this, when she first, they first showed her walking with the Stanford sweatshirt. I was like, is she just wearing a Stanford sweatshirt or are they at Stanford? And then, like, they zoomed out. And I was like, oh, they all went to Stanford. I didn't know they all went to Stanford. But also makes sense that, like, kind of to your point that, that you find your people

in those situations, right? So I feel like they, Molina Masuka was purposely showing us like that is how all of these different types of people became friends because they were each other's support system in this environment. Exactly.

Which brings up the question. If they went to an HBCU, would they have all been friends? No. Absolutely not. Right? No way. And I think that stands out

from the way Tiffany was when she saw the dancing friend and she was like, no, I'm going to go over here. Tiffany wouldn't be friends with any of them. No. You know what I mean? Which, let's talk about Tiffany. Because there was a lot of controversy surrounding. Oh, Lord.

Amanda Seals and her character as Tiffany because if you guys aren't, you know, weren't following along on social media or didn't see it in the media, there's this huge debate. And it's kind of honestly still going on. Manda Sills plays a character that is in a sorority. A real-life sorority, though, Alpha Kappa Alpha.

They wear pink and green. I guess this is the first time. I don't know if you know if I've even noticed it before that she's really embracing the character and wearing the letters and wearing the color. But she's also on a college campus, so it makes sense. But people were all up in arms because she was wearing actual sorority letters

instead of a fake sorority. And it is frowned upon in the Divine Nine to let somebody wear your letters when they did not pledge your sorority. Your thoughts? Okay. First, I should say I was not in a sorority at all. Okay.

Nothing against it. I just personally was not. I played sports in college. I feel like it's almost impossible to be an athlete and be in a sorority or fraternity. And even if you are in it, you're not fully in it

because you don't have the time to be there. So you can be like, you know, given the letters, but they aren't, you're not really involved. So I was not involved. So I don't know how quote unquote disrespectful this is. But my initial reaction was like, what? It's fake. It's a character in a show. I feel like I would be happy if like an organization I was a part of got this much attention. Like it's, it's on like maybe like I can't think of another like black show that is this popular. Maybe I'm missing out on something. But as of right now,

I think it's like the most popular black television show on HBO. Like I would be hyped to see my letters. So I don't really get why people feel disrespected. Then I was thinking about like in TV shows, they have Marines that wear like badges of things that they've done. Exactly. In movies, there's like someone with a purple heart. I don't think people are offended by that.

Those things are earned, not saying that letters aren't, but like a purple heart is like, you know, there's like people pretend to be or pretend, act as like the president. No one else, I haven't seen anyone else get mad about something like this. So I feel like it's a very odd thing to be upset about. On top of the fact that they weren't disrespectful about A.KAs in the show, I thought Tiffany represented them like beautifully. She didn't even do any wild shit in the show. Like, I don't understand.

I don't understand the disrespect. There wasn't any disrespect thrown. I completely agree with you. And I am in the Divine Nine. I'm a Delta, which, you know, Delta's, AKAs. And there is that sentiment of you do not let somebody wear your letters. But that's more of like, Callie and I are kicking it and she's cold. And I'm like, oh, you want to wear my Delta jacket?

That's a totally different thing. But like even that to me, like, I can't wear your jacket for a second. I'm not in public. And here's the thing. Not in public, not because I feel a little crazy. Not because I feel a certain way. Because if we go out in public and people are like, oh, you're sore and you're like, no, I'm not just wearing the jacket. And it's like, well, whose jacket is that?

I would feel a certain. It's like almost like a letterman jacket. Yeah, I would let someone wear my letterman jacket if they were cold. Like I just don't get it. Like I would understand if someone's like, if I wore the jacket and then I posted on social media in the jacket and we're like, front in like I was a Delta. Totally get that. I don't get like why I can't throw on a jacket that ain't mine. I mean, I would never give you the jacket to wear unless you were like freezing. Yeah, yeah. If I was like Jack on the Titanic, I could have your fucking letter jacket.

Absolutely. If that was going to save you, yes, absolutely you could have it. But it is, I did not have a problem though with Tiffany wearing letters for exactly what you said. I, and I said this on higher learning, I would be proud that my sorority was getting recognition and it was being represented on this huge platform with this huge show. I'm mad, Tiffany's not a Delta. I would love for her to be dressed in DST. And Molina brought up, who directed this episode, brought up a really good point. Molly's been drinking out of an AKA Cup for several seasons and nobody said anything.

Oh. And I didn't notice that. Me either. Nobody said anything. It's like one person has something to say. And everybody else just jumped on it. Absolutely ridiculous. We got to chill out.

I was thinking like, if I'm, Malina, I'm like, shit, I should have made her a Delta. You know what? Malina, you should have. We wouldn't have complained. We would have been saying, oh, we're represented on television. Next time, next time she'll get it right. She'll get it right. But I feel like there was no disrespect.

She did. Like, no one said anything bad about her being an A.K.A. like, you know how people can, like, joke on people. And I think people know there's, like, stereotypes of AKAs and deltas. Yeah. And so, like, I could see, like, Issa writing a joke in there because you could say that Tiffany might fit that stereotype. I am not saying that.

She does, though. I'm just saying that's what people. Yeah. People could say. So I could, like, that wasn't even done. So I'm like, there was nothing disrespectful about AKAs. Absolutely. Absolutely.

People just need to chill out. And that's not what you should have been focusing on in the episode. One of the funny moments, because we see them come together and we're all, you know, coming from season four and coming into season five, it's how are Molly and Issa going to interact with each other? And off the bat, you notice it's a little awkward. It's like one wants to talk to the other. They don't know how to relate. And we see, you know, Molly pull Kelly aside and say,

how did you and Tiffany handle your situation when y'all were having some beef? And Kelly said one of the funniest things, and it could not have been more real. She said, oh, well, we were fake back before we were back back. I thought that is truly the realest thing. I don't know if you ever have had like a big argument with a close friend. For sure. I have and we are still fake back. Oh, how long ago was that?

This might be a little embarrassing. But I've almost two years. Yeah, y'all might not get real back. I've been. I've been I've been fake back before and it's like awkward and you like are both people are like trying to like overly be normal and so it's weird but then eventually like you like you like you know it gels out and things are normal again but that is what happens with everything like any sort of huge I mean there's been times with even like my husband where I have like overreacted to something

and then afterwards I'm like fuck like definitely overreacted to that. So you apologize. And it's still like awkward for a little bit. And then it's fine. Don't you feel like it depends what the argument was about? Like what was the beef? Yeah.

I feel like ours has been two years because it was a trust issue. So the fake back is my trust isn't 100% there. Like I have so much love for you and I want it back. But we're just not there yet. Yeah, for sure. I will, yeah, I don't know. Like depends on the type of person you are. like, can you trust her again?

I want to. I want to be able to it. I want to say that I'm big enough to be able to put things aside and say, people make mistakes. Let's try again. Yeah, I also think the agree to disagree when that's how you guys end the argument, that you're fake back because you both, you y'all both don't see eye to eye. That's so true.

I don't know if we agree to disagree. You can't agree to disagree over this. It just is what it is. We agree to disagree means like, let's just move on, but you're wrong, but both people feel that way. Absolutely. So as expected, though, once I figured that they were going back to their old stomping grounds, I knew a bunch of fun moments were going to pop up.

By far, one of the funniest moments was RIP Kelly. Oh, my God. Of all me. Of course. Of course, Kelly. There's got to be some issue with Kelly because she's also one of the funniest characters on the show. Yeah. But Kelly gets to the reunion or whatever it is and they're going through the program and they're looking at people who are no longer with them.

And one of them happens to be Kelly, RIP Kelly. They even do a dedication to her at the reunion. And they say that she had one of the best stanky legs and in honor of her. They play the stanky legs song. And it made me think, what would people say about me? What would they say about me when I go? is it going to be like, man, she really knew how to hit that D-town boogie in the duggy. I would hope nobody's, that's not the last thing people remember about it.

Listen, college was a crazy time. I don't want to know what people would say about, I legitimately don't want to know. I had so much fun in college. I don't think that I could have had more fun without dying. So like I really, I just don't need to know what people think or would have said about me. I thought they were nice to Kelly. Stanky leg's not the worst case, you know? But it's also like, it's very surface level.

She wasn't smart. She wasn't funny. She wasn't kind. She had a great stanky leg and was allergic to kale. And she was allergic to kale. And she was allergic to kale, which is why I thought it was very sweet at the end. It came full circle that her friends, the ones who know her best, correct at that moment by saying what they would have said,

if Kelly was no longer with them. I thought that was really sweet. And I was like, that's why we love them so much. Which was essentially a live funeral, right? Which I don't know if you watched the preview or the premiere episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Oh, I haven't seen it yet. But they had a live funeral on Curb Your Enthusiasm. So I was like, wait, really weird that the two shows that premiered on HBO that night,

both had live funerals in that. Because like, when does that happen? Not ever. Who was it that had the live funeral at? One of Larry's friends was perfectly healthy, and he said that he wanted to make live funerals a thing because he was like, don't you just think it's so stupid that they gather all these people around and they say all of these nice things about you, but you're already dead. You don't get to hear any of them.

So I'm throwing myself a live funeral where I want all my friends to tell me, like, what they love about me, like say nice words, and I'm going to be upstairs streaming it to my bedroom so I can listen to it. So wasn't in a casket or anything. No. He was up, like everyone came in black suits to like a normal funeral and he was upstairs and sweats listening to it on his TV with his girlfriend. So when they did it with Kelly, I was like, oh my gosh, this is the second time. This is essential, except for Kelly was right there for it. But similar vibes. I think that's hilarious. I would never want a live funeral. I would never want that. That's awkward. I don't even like when people sing me happy.

birthday. Okay, Callie. Now, we might have our first disagreement. I like it. You sitting there and you're smiling, it takes too long. And then if you're black, all of a sudden they bust into Stevie Wonder and you're like, is this ever going to end? I don't need two birthday songs. You don't start singing along? I'm obsessed with my birthday. I feel like you have to sing along because you're so awkward. You're just like sitting there under candlelight, like waiting, waiting for the song to end. I, I, I, I might, there might have been a time or two where I geared it up. Like, are we ready? And the one and a two for my own birthday.

No. I'm obnoxious with my birthday. I'm not that person. I don't like with my second child, like I didn't want a baby shower. Like all the attention on you freaks me out. I will take the presents though. I like the presents. You'll take the presents.

Yeah. See, I could do without the presence. I'm the opposite way. I want everybody to know. I keep a running list of my head who did not wish me a happy birthday. I'm extremely obnoxious when it comes to him. I feel like people to wish me happy birthday, though. And don't wish me happy birthday past like 7 p.m.

You missed it. You're, you waited too long. 7 p.m. If you didn't wish me happy birthday. All day. No. I think I told you a happy birthday after 7th.

You'll get a break if you're on the West Coast. But other than that, no. Okay. Good. That's me. So I made the cut. I'm okay. West Coast gets like an extra four to five hours.

But like, no. Get in there early. I need a 7 a.m. birthday text. But this is good to know. Matter of fact, midnight. Set an alarm. Wish me happy birthday.

This is good to know. Everybody's different. Because, you know, you think, it's like a love language, right? You think everyone feels about their birthday the same way you feel about yours. Not necessarily the case. Okay. I'm trying to move on to the episode. It seemed like it was a very quick episode.

Not a lot happened. Not a lot of movement. But there was a point where they were all in the car. riding, playing the old jams from the early 2000s. Such a moment. I think everybody who went to college in the 2000s can relate to that moment. Was it T-Pain? Dream.

No, the dream. The dream. Everyone can relate. They're having a good time. They stop at the convenience store. And maybe this was the funniest moment. Were you expecting this? Did you trust this friend?

Did you know, maybe not this, but did you know something was going to be up with this friend? Yeah, maybe like she'd start a fight in the club or something like something wild, dance on a table, whatever. Did I think that she was going to rob them at gunpoint? No, that was not what I thought was going to happen. I talked to so many of my friends about this because I was like, I've got to be honest, that's not going to make me and Molly make up. A gun in my face is going to be like, oh, you know what? That was funny. Let's be friends now.

I'm getting back in the car, especially if I'm Molly and I'm the person that got God, Like, you got your shoes. Nobody wants your shoes. My shoes just got stolen from me. As well as, like, probably my purse, my wallet, whatever cash I had in there. I'm not in a good mood. That wasn't funny. You know, at first I would have said maybe that that's the case, which you said, but I think

I might have reacted that way. It was a very traumatic moment. They were there for each other. They went through it together. She couldn't get her watch back. couldn't get her purse back, couldn't get her shoes back. All they could do was just laugh. And it was just so ridiculous and over the top that their home girl who left them once before to go on tour and dance for, I think it was Sierra.

Sierra who now says she was dancing for sweetie, which I don't think that was true now. So we see what happened. So she needed some money. But she left them before. Now she leaves them again. And this time she takes all their stuff too. And she's like, ain't nothing change. And I'm like, this is a Stanford graduate.

I feel like she never graduated, right? She left to go on tour, but whatever. This is an alum. And I just thought it was a funny moment. It was just so over the top that all they could do was laugh. I think it was funny sitting in my comfortable bed watching it at home. But I was like, if I am Molly or Issa, I would get back in the car or be like, hold the fuck up. Like, nah, I need my shit back.

I know who stole it. Like I feel like I would have gone that way instead of being like, ha ha ha, ha, so funny. We just got a gun stuck in our faces. Like, no, some'm going to have to shake. You're not going to stick a gun on my face, take my stuff, and we're just going to be laughing about it.

I know your name. And maybe she'll come back. I need to see this character pop up some other time this season. Maybe she's on a reality show and she's wearing all of Molly's favorite things. Maybe it's an. music video. Maybe she's on trial for what she did. I don't know, but she was funny. I need her to come back. Yeah, I need her to come back. I think a music video would be a great touch.

Right, right? You might need to be a writer. Well, you know, if somebody's listening, why not? I'll take another job. Why not? But the dream, I think we are, I feel like me, you and Issa are probably relatively very close in age. One thing I will say about every fucking show of Insecure the, I don't know if you score

a television show, the soundtrack for each season. Issa is like I mean, fire. Like she always picks the right song so good. And dream in college was like, Like when that song came on last night or two nights ago, three nights ago, whatever it was,

I was fully dancing in my room by myself tired. Like it brought back so many good memories of college, which I was like, I, like my first thought when it came on was like, she's so good. She's, this is the perfect song. Right. It was either that or like T-Pain and. Or T-Pain. Yeah.

Because everybody was doing that. You were all piling in the car. Somebody was driving. listening to music, getting ready to go to the party, talking about who you were going to see, who you were going to dance with. You were in your room dancing. I was in my room strutting.

That's what we did in college. Shout out to Delta Sing with Dana. It was, yeah, she's so good at it. The dream moment, like, really brought me back. Mm-hmm. That was probably my favorite moment of the episode. And then it was followed by the worst moment of the episode, how the episode ended.

Oh, gosh. I did not like that at all. I didn't either. I looked up and I was like, wait, is this happening? Where did Lawrence? When did they get in a car? Did I put my head down for too long? I was just like, Lawrence is here all of a sudden.

They gave us nothing. Also, they kissed. They kissed when he picked her up from the airport. And then, yeah, I was like so confused. I'm like, wait, everything was all good when he picked her. you up. And then even the way they broke up, if I'm Lawrence, no, we've been off and on for years. That cannot be how, that cannot be our last conversation. That's not how this ends. I guess he would say that he knew it was coming. Yeah. Right? He probably assumed. Now,

I have experienced someone having a baby on me while we were together, which is not quite Lawrence and Issa because they were working, the baby came before they decided to make a go for it and come back around. My experience was we were on a break for about a month and in that month he got his ex-girlfriend pregnant but didn't tell me until the baby was born and it was two months later and he didn't tell me I found out through the same friend who introduced us ended up telling me he had a kid. And I, unlike Issa took him back because I wanted to work it out. Issa said no. Are you, were you surprised?

What did you think Issa was going to say? It took this long for them to get back to each other. I had a similar situation as Issa where it happened before. But we hadn't been dating long enough. So it was kind of both of us being like, this is too much for like, you know, it's not going to work. ended on good terms. I thought, well, let me say this. If I'm Issa, and this is who I think is the love of my life, let's work it out.

He did not treat on you with this girl. If I'm you, we're done. Like, you're not going to get a girl pregnant during our break. And by the way, you didn't even tell me. So were you ever going to tell me? or was I just going to bump into him like when he was 18 years old? Like when was I going to find out? So but if I'm Issa, I could work it.

I could get through that. I could work that out if I wanted to. If you wanted to. And I think that's what's disappointing with me. And maybe in later episodes, we will see what happened during the time of him finding out versus when picking her up from the airport. Like maybe there'll be something in which way. I'm hoping so because that just. can't be where all this picks picks off.

Now, at the premiere, I did ask Jay Ellis and said, is it a girl or a boy? Or do we know? He wouldn't tell me. He wouldn't tell me. He was like, what do you think it should be? Like, what should Lawrence have? A girl. I said, a boy.

I said a boy. But I don't really care. I just wanted to know what is it. A girl or a boy, we need to know. Yeah. You know, I was disappointed with both of them in this scene, but I was really disappointed with Issa because back in last season, Lisa's talking to Issa, Lisa, Lisa, Issa, Issa talking to her brother, who I think is one of the funniest characters on the show as well.

And she was talking about when she dated Lawrence and she said when she, when he was, when she dated him first go around, he was still working on his potential. And now that Condola has him, she gets to be with the finished product. that I'll never forget that because I'm like that's how I feel about all my exes right you make them better I was like good luck chuck you make them better for the next person and they get to reap all the benefits while you were there with the struggle years making them I'm being cocky but I feel like I was making them great you know and then the other person gets to experience that so isa felt that way now here she is you get the opportunity to experience Lawrence when he's not struggling when he's in a better place when he's more mature. You know, he's got this job possibly in San Francisco. And you're just going to give it all up because. Oh, I mean, it's not, it's a big deal.

It's, it's, it's not a little thing. But it's not something that he did to you. It's just his, an addition to his current circumstance. Exactly. I like that. It's not something he did to her. Yeah. So I don't think he necessarily did anything wrong.

I don't either. I mean, he was in a relationship. sometimes in relationships, that happens. And yes, it is up to an Issa or the next woman to decide if she wants to handle that, how she wants to handle that or not. I mean, if the kid was born already, I think that it would have been a little easier for her to accept.

But because of the way it happened and the timing, I think she's just acting out of emotion and it'll be very curious to see how she handles it going forward. But I'm very mad that Lawrence did not try harder in that moment. He just... That was very season one Lawrence. Was it not? Yeah, yeah.

He's folded. The man hasn't changed. No. The man hasn't changed. Since we know this is the last season, will you, for the end of episode 10, there's 10 episodes, right? At the end of episode 10, do you want them to be together or not? Okay. I love this.

Yes. Let's go into predictions of what we think is going to happen. I 100% want Issa and Lawrence to be together. And nothing solidified it more for me. in season four where they link up again after, what is it, she's got that terrible date and, you know, like they're walking on the street, their chemistry, their connection, their awkwardness, their nerdiness, it's just unmatched. And she will never connect with somebody else in that same way. I'm obsessed. I don't know if I've ever been into a TV couple more than I have been for Issa and Lawrence.

The way you're talking about them makes me feel like they're like real people. That's how invested in it. Like, forget Carrie and big. Like, that's such a problematic relationship. Issa and Lawrence, I've been there how they were at the beginning. Yeah. I've experienced the infidelity. I've experienced the child coming in midway through the relationship, the struggles,

the growing pains that you have when you start off so young, the potential to the finished product. I get them. But when they were together and they were together and they were. just joking and walking on the street. I was like, I love them so much. They have to be together. Yvonne said we're going to be happy at the end.

My happiness involves Lawrence and Issa together. Yeah, I agree. I want them to be together. I think that Issa and Lawrence are like an extremely relatable couple. So I think that's why you like cheer for them. I would not say that it's like, you know, average relatable that someone has a baby on you, but look, we're two people on a podcast and happen to both of us. So maybe it's more relatable than I thought.

Sadly. Oh my gosh. It's the norm. Oh, my gosh. I didn't even think about that. But I do think they're so relatable. Obviously, Lawrence is attractive, right? But like, I don't know what it is.

I just really fucking love him. And like, Issa has had other, actually, Issa has had all attractive men, the girl can pull for not having a job. And he's always my favorite. Like I'm like, no, you have to go back to Lawrence. So by the end of this season, I think her and Lawrence are together. I think her and Molly are not. That was going to be my other question. I was going to ask for predictions.

What do you think about her and Molly? So have they outgrown their friendship? Yes. And I think that's okay. Some people outgrow your friends. It doesn't mean you don't love them. Right. Like I think Issa and Molly will always love each other. That doesn't mean you have to force be best friends. Like you can still care about you can even still call her your best friend, but she's just not who you talk to. Like you have other friends. You guys are going in different directions. And they couldn't be going in different directions faster. Huh. I agree with everything that you said. I don't know how it would work in that friend group if Molly and Issa aren't Molly and Issa. Like they can't fake, they can't be fake back.

back back. They can't halfway do their friendship. They either have to be all or nothing. And if they're nothing, then they're going to have to hang out separately with Tiffany and Kelly. I think, I, I am with you. I think they will not be friends at the end of this. But if for some reason they are, it is because Molly gets in a good, stable relationship. Molly needs a man. Yeah. I really feel like that's, when she can, when she was with Andrew, I thought that it was great when she let herself go, when he reciprocated it because he was, you know, hard up in the beginning. It was good for her.

Even though she and Issa were off, I think it was good for Molly. So here's my next question then. Will Molly find a man at the end of this? I want to say, man, I want to say yes because I would like, I would love that for Molly. I feel like Issa purposely makes things like very realistic. And realistically, I think that women that are super career driven and live in L.A. for some reason, get fucked over. I guess I've been in L.A. long enough.

Nor have I been in L.A. single. Yeah. I just, a lot of my friends that are in L.A., I think it's L.A. and New York, actually. it seems like women who like put their career first and I don't know if it's intimidation or whatever unless they got lucky um I don't know if lucky is the right word whatever unless they like happen to find someone randomly um and probably not in L.A. or New York um but other than that like so many of my friends like find their person later or or and at, And I feel like it has to do with that fact.

And so I feel like, I feel like since Issa seems to try to make things realistic, like I just think there's no world where her and Lawrence are together, her and Molly are best friends. Molly has a husband and they all just like ride off into the sunset. I just don't see that happening. Yeah. And I don't know if I would want it to be picture perfect like that.

Because that is not what this show has been. And that's not life. And if art is imitating life, which it really does a lot or life imitates art, I'm going to say it, which it seems to a lot in this franchise, then that would make any sense. Okay, here's my last prediction or what do you think will happen type question. Will we see Issa reconcile with one of her exes? Oh, you mean instead of Lawrence. Instead of Lawrence. The only person I could see that happening with is.

is what's Kendrick Samson's character's name? Nathan. And I, uh, boo. He's the only person I could see that happening with because they've kind of gone like in and out. I don't get it.

I was not, you know, maybe I just didn't like that whole season that Nathan was around. Maybe that's what I'm holding against Nathan. I wasn't a big fan of the season. I really like Nathan's accent. Do you?

Yeah, and I think he's actually from Houston, so it might be real. Yes. Yeah, I really like his accent. Um, that's about it for Nathan. Um, but I think it's just because I'm like, he's not Lawrence. So like, I think anyone's going to lose.

Although I didn't. I disliked Nathan more than I dislike Daniel. Oh, Daniel. Okay. For the season. Yeah, no, is Daniel. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't like Nathan at all. I don't like how he left her. I don't like it. I think that's too complicated. She's never going to be fully happy. And again, she's never like she is with any of the men like she is with Lawrence. And same for Lawrence. When Lawrence was dating, like the banker and all of that, it's not the same.

It's never been the same. Condola, not the same. No, it seems like they're each other's person. Yeah. I asked Condola, I said, well, her real name's Christina. I said, do people hate you in real life? Don't you? I go, you play your part so well and people are so invested in Issa and Lawrence.

Do you find it hard to go out in public? And she said, thank God. She goes, obviously I'm upset about being in. the middle of a pandemic, but she goes, the fact that we have to wear masks really helps. She said people come at her. Think about it. Remember when Drew Sedora broke up Melanie and Derwin? That's the last time I was invested in a couple. Melody and Derwin. Remember when Drew Sador broke them up? We hated Drew. I told Drew that. I was like, it took me a long time to get over you and what you did. And Janie, when Janay had the baby. Yeah, that was the worst. See, you see

them and you think about that. Poor Condola has to go through the same thing. Yeah, I feel less angry at Condola than I do like someone on TV that plays like an asshole. Like I can never get that on my head. And like when I see them in like other things or if I were to see them in the street, I'm like, ugh, it's an asshole. But like you forget like are they actually? Probably not. Probably not. But I feel like we're going to get more of, I feel like we're going to see a different side a condola and I think Kiki plays one of her friends. So I feel like it's going to get messy. Yeah.

Also, from experience, when you're pregnant, you can be crazy. So we are definitely going to get a crazy version of her. I can't wait. She's going to snap. That means that the episodes are going to get better. So maybe they just gave it to us. This one was a chill episode. Maybe it was setting the tone, not the tone, but just like the lay of the land.

I think it was, yes. I don't think this episode was bad. I think it was informational. I feel like they used this episode to set it up like, this is how this group became friends. Because it's the last season. Let us show you where this all began. And this is where they are now.

Yeah. And then it ended off with what's happening right now. So I think from this point forward, it's going to go into like real time. We're not going to relive their college days or anything like that. But I feel like they purposely wanted to let us know. how they became, how this group of people became friends and why they're so close. Okay. And you know what? If that's the case, I can accept that. We've been talking for what,

almost an hour. And now at this point, I'm like, you know what? Now I like the first episode. I'm glad we could talk it out. And hopefully people listening to Prestige TV can say, you know what, now I get it. Now that we've been able to break everything down and understand it. Now I'm ready for episode two through 10. I think we're getting 10 episodes. Yeah, I think it's 10. Okay, before we go, let's do some best moments, worst moments, this episode. What was your best moment of the episode? Best moment, easily, the dream in the car.

It, like, brought me back to college and gave me, like, just a really, I love when TV shows make you feel good. Mm-hmm. And I feel like I really felt great. Like, it just gave me a great vibe. Yeah. It took you back. So mine's similar because the best moment for me is when they see the friend dancing and they could care less what's going on around them and they're rapping and they're cursing and they're dropping it.

And I've had that moment when I went to UT. So I appreciate that. Okay, worst moment of the episode. I mean, it has to be the breakup, right? It's got to be Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't fight for her.

He didn't fight for it. I think that was the worst moment. There was moments that I didn't care about. And I was like, huh? Like what? Like the whole name? Like the guy they tried to set her up with? The guy.

Remember? Oh, yeah. And I was like, this is so random. This is so, he must come back later. At first I was like, are we supposed to know who this guy is? Like, was he on a previous season? Yeah. Yeah, that was random.

I thought that the whole name in the tree thing was random. I'm not a fan of Tiffany's husband. I'm just somebody had to say it. I just was like, what was the point? Yeah, I just, every time he was talking, I was just like, no. He didn't need to be there. It could have just been the women. Yeah, why was he there?

I mean, I guess they like go everywhere together. And yeah, I just, it wasn't, it was, mm-mm, funniest moment. I mean, something with Kelly. Let me think. Kelly made me laugh a few times. I think the moment you were talking about when she's telling her about being like fake back. And then Tiffany made a joke that wasn't funny. And Kelly laughed like really hard and then looked at her and was like, we're still there.

We're still working. That was. Like you got to make it make it. Two years. I feel Kelly. That was, I forgot about that. That was funny. I have to say when their friend robbed them.

I thought that was so. I was not expecting that when he said her name. Because I was like, why is she overacting? Why does she, why will she be quiet? And then I was like, oh, okay. That was funny to me. All right. Last one.

Who was the most insecure this episode? Molly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know what we didn't talk about at all? Since you said most insecure. I thought what Issa said. on stage was really real. Like, I'm not sure if I'm a hundred percent sure I'm going down the right

path. Like, when does anyone ever know that? And like everyone else had like, you know, whatever good answers, I guess. But I was like, no, that's the right answer. No one is ever 100 percent secure that they're going down the right path. You can be happy. Like, I'm happy with the path that I've gone down, but am I one thousand percent sure that I've made all of these right decisions? Like, no, you never fucking know. No. It's okay to not know. And especially at 30. Oh, no, absolutely. And you're right. I'm glad you brought that up too because we don't talk about stuff like that enough. And that moment pointed that out of everybody thinks you're supposed to have these big moments and these big things to say and like your aha moment when you know you've made it. And you're right.

you never do. And I hate it they made Issa feel that way on stage. Just crickets while she was talking. I know. But you're right. It was a big moment. But I would go with Molly too as most insecure. Just different.

She was trying. She's very insecure about her friendship with Issa. Yeah. I feel like she was. And her love life. Like I think she was trying to be reassured the entire episode. And like maybe I would have said Issa. But the way she finished it.

She seemed real secure with breaking up with Florence. And I think it takes a secure person to leave a relationship in general. So or a relationship that you think isn't serving you. Yeah. To be honest, we've all stayed for longer than we should have. Yes, girl. Oh, yes. We know, Rachel.

He told us earlier. Girl, that story goes over five years. It goes on and out of it. But yeah, so I'm going to go with Molly. Yeah. I'm going to steal that answer. Definitely, Molly. Wow, you know what? When we started this podcast, I thought, how in the world were we going to talk about this for an hour? Because this episode really didn't give us anything. But then it did. And that's the genius of Issa Rae because

it was laying the foundation for what's to come. It was establishing friendships. It was giving history. It gave us funny moments. It gave us new characters. And it gave us new revelations. And so I'm very curious just to see what's going to happen these next few episodes. And I am expecting more. I'm going to be honest. But I think we're going to get it. Yeah. I think we're going to get it.

But I'm also going to be sad for it to be over. Yeah. You know why? Because there's nothing else to fill the void. I know. And I watch an enormous amount of content. Like way too much. Borderline unhealthy.

But there isn't anything that checks the boxes that insecure checks. Yeah, you're right. So this is an opportunity. If anyone's listening to this, maybe you know, like a writer or a developer, somebody with like some type of development deal, there is a void to be filled here. And somebody's got to pick up the pieces and pick up where insecure left off and give us this. We had girlfriends.

I was going to say the last time that there was something like this, I feel like was girlfriends. And there was a huge gap between that and insecure. But I can't think of anything else that gives me that same thing. Yeah. We waited way too long in between. I'm really thinking, I don't think that there was anything because we had living single, then we had girlfriends and we had insecure.

So there's got to be something. You got to give us something else. I also don't know like what Issa has planned. Like is she going to do another TV show? Is she moving fully into it? MP. Is she only going to like do develop? I don't know. But she's a good writer. So I hope she continues to give us something. Yep. Yep. And we'll be watching. Did it? She didn't do a Netflix deal, right? I don't know. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't know. Maybe she did. I don't know, but I would

like something. So Netflix, HBO, Showtime. Shit, CBS, NBC. I'll turn on, I'll turn on Fox for you, Issa. Just, just let me know where it's going to be. Somebody, somebody will do it. It's too good. It's too good. And we need it. We need it. So you got time.

We got 10 episodes to get through. Hopefully somebody's already working on a deal. And, you know, we'll be back on Prestige TV talking about what the newest thing is. You guys, thank you so much for listening. And, you know, let us know if you want us to come back for another prestige takeover. Adios.