The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Succession’ S3, E6 Precap

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

Chris and Wos react to a packed and tense Season 3, Episode 5 of ‘Succession,’ before making some predictions and wish lists about what’s to come in Episode 6 and beyond. Hosts: Chris Ryan and Wosny Lambre Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm Derek Thompson, long-time writer with the Atlantic Magazine on tech, culture, and politics. There is a lot of noise out there, and my goal is to cut through the headlines, loud tweets, and hot takes in my new podcast, Plain English. I'll talk to some of the smartest people I know to give you clear viewpoints and memorable takeaways. Plain English starts November 16th. Listen for free on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. This episode is brought to you by Sweet Green. The date doesn't ask for permission. lunch window, gone before you saw it coming. You deserve a break that actually satisfies.

Sweet Green's new wraps have got you. Real ingredients? Zero shortcuts. Everything you love in one hand. Think green goddess chicken. Garlic aoli. Crumbled bacon. Corn salsa.

Forty grams of protein. Made to keep up with whatever comes next. New sweet green wraps hit different. Order now at order. Sweetgreen.com. It's time to refresh your yard during spring backyard days at the Home Depot. Get low prices guaranteed on propane grills starting at $179, like the next grill three-burner gas grill, or get $50 off a select Weber Spirit grill and bring big flavor

to your backyard. Then set the scene with Hampton Bay string lights that bring it all together. Shop spring backyard days for seven days at the Home Depot. Now through May 6th, Exclusion supplies to homedipo.com slash price match for details. Oh, and welcome to the real annual meeting. It's Chris and Waz here for your weekly succession pre-cap. Bobby Wagner, the Lost Wilpon brother, is our producer. The whole crew got UTIs. What's up, Wise? Hold on, hold on.

I'm getting my trusty black light out and taking it to the ringer's scrapbook. No semen. We're good. We're clean, Chris. Wise, before we get into kind of our thoughts on the previous episode, getting into the next episode, I thought, you know, Andy and I talked a little bit about how

in some ways this shareholders meeting that takes place on episode whatever it is five was kind of like a nice stopping point for like the last two episodes of the second season with like the DC hearings Kendall's betrayal and then basically like this opening half

of the season that's like a run of them fending off this Sandy and Stewie bit it's almost like a mini season unto itself and you know we often talk about these characters almost as if they're real people but I was kind of curious if you put your TV critic hat on for a second. How are you feeling about the show in general, since this is a good, like, midway point? And where do you want to see it go as we, like, kind of move forward in this season?

Look, the last episode, janitors in Iowa. The retired janitors of Idaho, yeah. Idaho. I always get Idaho Nebraska, Iowa, flyover. My bad, flyover people. No, this last episode was incredible. I think you can put this episode up with any succession episode that's ever existed in my mind. As far as how sharp, biting, funny it was, right?

How incisive it was. The show is buzzing. When I watched the first episode on screener, maybe it's because the screeners aren't as crystal clear as just watching it on max or something. I was like, I don't know, there's something off. Maybe they rushed back. Maybe the storyline got messed up because of the breaking up of the season, whatever. And I was a little worried that maybe Succession had, you know, maybe it's not pitching one-on-one anymore.

It's probably like down to 97, which is still a great fastball, but it's not, you know, high cheese, right? Some sort of post-Tommy John kind of fastball. Yeah. Exactly. But by the time we get to this episode, I'm like, this show is untouchable. It's unhitable. It's incredible.

So as far as how I feel it about the show, I'm loving it still. It's still my favorite thing to watch right now. Now, as far as the Stewie and Sandy storyline, for the 50 million time listeners at home, I don't care about the plot. I don't care. Like, the fact that this is over, like somebody might be like, oh, this is such an unsatisfying end to this story device. I don't care.

That person probably lives in Idaho, Iowa. or Nebraska somewhere. That person probably likes Yellowstone. No disrespect. I'm telling you, you would like Yellowstone. I'm going to get to it. I promise you I am. But yeah, I'm fine with where the show is.

And as far as to spin it forward, what I would like to see, what we've been seeing. I want to see how these relationships sort of figure themselves out, right? Is Logan going to die being estranged from his kids? I wonder what Shiv's breaking point. I think what the show was getting at is that

Romulus doesn't have one. Like, he's just riding with his dad no matter what. Because ultimately, he just wants to, he just wants his dad to be happy more than anything else. But that's a crucial way of phrasing it. Because, like, I'm sure Shiv and Kendall at various points over the last couple of seasons, their character, those characters have expressed

an interest in their dad being happy. But more specifically, proud of them. But ultimately, their kind of motivations are all self-serving. They're all trying to get what they want out of a situation, whereas Roman seems to be like it's like he shares a brain with his dad. And they say, I mean, I was going to ask you about this later, but they say, like, we'll put Roman on the phone with the president because he's Logan Jr.

Right. I think what they're saying is his instincts for, you know, just the conversation, right, about just being like, all right, we want to take this and being able to bullshit. Remember, he said the, the dudes, what Middle Eastern country did they end up going to to try to secure some deal? You know what? It was like, I think they were, no, but like, I don't know if they ever specifies,

if it was Azerbaijan or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, and then when he came back and he told his dad, he was like, look, that guy was trying to out bullshit a bullshiter. Yeah. Right? Like, they share that in common. And, you know, I think what the show was going to do is sort of unspoor. what's happening between the kids and Logan, right?

And each other, as always. And that's what I'm most interested in. And I'm sure that's what they're going to continue to explore as we see as this episode ends where Logan just, that was just the ultimate dick move, right? At that point, you got to Aaron Rogers, your pops. Yeah. And just be like, I'm never talking to you again.

You're excommunicated and it's done, right? And so that's what I'm interested in watching the show do. to Aaron Rogers, someone has taken on a couple of different meetings recently. So I'm glad you specified that it was to ghost a family member. That's such a great point about Roman and that second season plotline of him going to secure funding and like a real nascent. I think it seemed like a Petro state or something. Because when you see Shiv, and Shiv's the first person I wanted to talk about, the first character, Shiv throughout the episode is constantly slipping

and replacing we with I. She's always saying, like, I did this. I think we should do this. I think rather than this sort of collective, and there's so many cooks in the kitchen in this past episode, but Chavon is always kind of slipping into what is going to be the most beneficial thing for me.

And it blows up in her face at the very end, even though she tries to handle it well where she's like, dad, like, I did it. She was like, you did it, but like I'm holding the champagne and I'm looking for the compliment. And he's like, and by the way,

like I set myself up for a good landing spot with this board seat. And he just ice grills are, that's the same thing that happens with Kendall early in the first season when he's like, trying to like organize the Volter purchase and, and Logan announces that he's going to stay for five or ten more years. And Kendall's just like,

I've been eating shit to get this job. And you're right. Like the Roman could have had that same kind of like self-serving short-term win when he goes to secure funding and the Danny Houston character is like, this is a great deal, we should just take it, billion dollars, whatever, let's go. And Romans, like,

look, like, this really sucks, but this is a bad deal. Like, these guys are full of it. Yeah, this is the... It's so cool watching the episode back over because Roman is given...

Excuse me, Logan is giving them stage advice actually. Like, it seems like he's Because the episode is so brilliant at playing the like, we're not sure at what point he loses his mind. Right. But Logan is saying, look, we look like shit to the public who's watching us, us as our group. I feel like shit as we, the audience, have seen episode after episode,

like he feels like shit about his position. Why the hell of these dudes coming to us for a deal? Like his instinct just kicks in like, this is not, in this world, that's not. what you do. Yeah. Right? Like he knows that.

He feels it. He senses it. He's like, what am I missing here? You don't do this. You step on the throat. You kill the person when in the position that I'm in right now. So something might be up. We need to push back on these fools.

But nobody else can see that. He's trying, he's like trying to give it to them. Yeah. Like guys, this isn't like, you guys are thinking too logically and like in this world. It's not really about logic or nice. or taking the easy thing. It's like kill people. Kill, kill, kill.

And throughout the episode, it keeps coming up, right? At one point, he's like, there's blood in the water. The sharks are circling. Because he understands the mentality of this world in the way that his dumb-ass kids are too blinded by their whack-ass board seat to even understand that, like, yo, it's bigger than your one fucking seat.

You know, like, we might just go under, completely because of what's coming behind this, right? And so, yeah, she played herself this episode. I'm sorry. Yeah, this is a real, like, what happens when your star player's off the floor and C.J. McCollum is running the team. No disrespect to C.J. McCollum, but it's like, if Logan's on the bench, who's really going to get the shots up?

And she, the thing that jumps out about the way that, Sarah Stink played the character this, this episode, but also like the way it was written, is just the lack of confidence that she has. Like, she has confidence, I think, somewhat in herself, but almost none in the project. And she's, she mentions, like, multiple times, she's like, if we go to a vote, we'll lose. If we go to a vote, we'll lose. But, like, what are these people voting on? They're voting on their confidence in your family generally and your father specifically.

And that's her talking. Like, she's like, I have no confidence. that somebody sees this piss mad, limping old man, they're not going to vote for him. They're going to, I mean, granted, like Sandy is in no better shape, arguably worse shape, but it is fascinating to watch her character just kind of like, I don't, it's that, it's that, that barrier that she has to actually getting,

getting what she wants is the passion for her work, her passion for the family project. You know, and I'm glad you made that. NBA the NBA comparison because two people come to mind Glenn Taylor

in Minnesota and Kohen who owned the Warriors before Joe before Joe Lakelake for light years yeah and we remember when Lakeup

very early on in the process got booed at Oracle I remember I'll never forget watching that on Sports Center because Chris Mullen Brooklyn Catholic school league legend was standing right next to him as it happened. And I remember thinking, because I love Chris Mullen.

I remember thinking, damn, poor Chris Mullen. This is embarrassing, right? But at the time, people were killing Lekub. And Ethan, my buddy, who was covering the freaking Warriors for ESPN at the time, was like, you know what? People don't understand about the Kohan era. It's like everybody kills somebody like Dolan, somebody like Cuban, for being way too hands-on.

in their ownership of the team, right? But when your owner isn't hands-on, that leaves a power vacuum that a bunch of people are going to try to fill. And when there's no check on it, you have your damn Chavon Roy's running around. Right. People who fancy themselves to be.

I'm important. There's nobody to be a check on this ridiculousness that I'm doing. And you see it's like almost a chicken with its head cut off, right? Like, you see the importance of having Logan around. Like, he's the check on all of these incompetent people.

And the people and the best part, like, this episode is so fucking brilliant, Chris, because there's Shiv on the other hand, right? And the people who are actually experts at running the company doing nothing but buck passing. Yeah. And Jerry, Carl, and Frank. Like, they spend the entire episode passing the buck. Jared's just basically making phone calls. She's just like, I got a call, I got a call, I got a call.

And Carl's up there riffing, just straight vamping for like hours up at the stage. Dude, so it's Carl's turn to go up. Frank is up there. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, Frank is up there. And he's like, all right, I'm passing it off to you now. And Carl's like, bro, I ain't going up there. You're staying up there.

Then when the freaking deal is done, Carl goes, Frank, you've already done so much today. Let me be the one to announce this great news to our shareholders. It's like, so like the people who are good at it are like, I'm not stepping in front of that. And then dumbass Shiv is like, yeah, let me do it. And she made a bad deal. She made a bad deal because I think the writers are going to show to us that

there's like Stewie and them were in a bad position somehow, some way. Yeah, their money was falling apart. Something. Yeah. Something wasn't working out for them. And that's why they were so ready to make a deal. Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let the shareholders kick this damn family clown show out?

Right. The, uh, I think that the indication is from the trailer for the next episode, but also from the Roman conversation with the raisin is that we're going to jump back into like the national political scene, kind of similar to where we were when Shiv was working for Evis. Gotcha. And that's like pretty. exciting because obviously the plot line

of like the DOJ investigation into the Roy's means that they want a friendly president with a friendly DOJ who's going to like pull back on the reins a little bit and I'm excited to see like the one thing that I think I've been I've been searching for for this season is a little

bit more like Roy's in the wild like Roy's out there in the streets and doing different things because it's like when Roman is sent out to a theme park or to secure funding or whatever, or when Kendall's doing whatever he's doing, I think it's pretty exciting for the show.

You know, they've, in some ways, like, I think Kendall's pivot to progressivism has been like a satirization of the corporate. So rich. So rich. So rich. But I'm looking forward to them satirizing, like, electoral politics as well.

Yeah, they're going in that direction. You can tell from the episode name. And, man, like, Because I don't want to betray too many confidences here as far as snitching on myself, right, Chris? But my reading of this episode is that the oligarchs were like, yo, we can't leave this to a vote to the pleads. Our future could never be in the hands of the quote-unquote people. In this case, it being the shareholders.

But I think the show is saying something about how these people feel about democracy. Just generally speaking, like, they don't believe in it. Oh, I mean, across the board, Sandy's in a vegetative state. Logan's piss mad. And the raisin is going to nominate a chicken to replace him as a president. You know what I mean? Like, it may not be as over the top as VEP or the thick of it or whatever, but it definitely is like, look at who the leaders are here.

Yes. And their contempt for you, right? Like they're never going to put themselves in a position where you retired janitor in Iowa can have any bearing on the shit that goes on in their business or their lives, right? I think that maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it feels like that's what the show is doing.

Well, look, the Connor stuff is still there. Like, Connor's still talking about wanting to run for president. It's definitely something the show seems to be leaning into. Yeah, the show wants you to understand how anti-democratic the entire system is, again, and I said this over and over in the previous episodes, it's like,

these are the people who actually have a seat at the table of power. And that's wholly undemocratic. Right? Like, the fact that these people can sway influence amongst our policy makers in a way that

we're talking about tens of millions of voters can't, you know. And again, you guys got the news. he was happening with the infrastructure bill. Y'all can make your own decisions and

draw your own ideas from that. I was waiting for Biff Talk, man. I'm so glad. Listen, the other day they had the joint with Israel and the dome or something that sailed through Congress. The Iron Dome, yeah. Because it's basically a military

contract. Like, it's basically Raytheon, Lockheed Martin. That's just a contract for them. No, like, You see Joe Manchin, Kamala's on the thing. You're seeing all these people on the Sunday shows when it's like family paid leave. The Israeli don't sales fucking through, right? Like a contract for Raytheon, there's no talk.

There's no debate. That's not how, the rules are different for these guys, right? Like, the rules are different for our overseas. And I think that's what the show is trying to explain to you. And let me get off of my, you know, political junkie. for one more second, but Kendall's whole speech at the end smacked of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the Kente cloth. That's exactly what it smacked up. It was just like, this show understands how to mock elite liberalism in a way that makes me so fucking happy.

You've got to find happiness where you can get it. Stewie has him dead to rights. When Stewie's like, oh, I thought you would be on a rainbow box chanting times up or whatever. You're ridiculous. Yeah, right. Let's get into some other stuff that I wanted to hit. So, you know, like, I do want to ask you a little bit about Connor because Alan Ruck, obviously, is like a fan favorite. He's so funny.

But there are lots of moments throughout the season where you're like, would Connor really be here? You know what I mean? Like, would this really be a situation where they would be like, oh, and also, Connor's here? I really do think that whether it's like he's running again or whether he is going to get more involved, it does seem like they are keeping him in the cut for a specific reason. I just can't unlock what it is.

And I do wonder whether it's something with the presidential election. Yeah, this show is really good at not having fat. They wouldn't be spending this much time on Connor and what he's doing. if it wasn't going to have consequences at some point down the line. My instinct is that Connor's going to be able to drum up enough interests that him dropping out leverages their position in a way, right,

that will matter down the season. I don't think he's going to become the president of the United States, but I think he's going to get traction, and it's going to be a way for them to get leverage, get access, you know, positive things are going to happen for them because of Connors running for president, right? You know, we saw it in our last sort of presidential primary process with the Democrats

where just in one fell swoop, a bunch of people who everybody calls quote unquote moderates. I have another word for them, but that's neither here or there. No, no, it's fine. It's fine. We won't do it today. But, you know, like, people like Buttigieg and Klobuchar and whatever, they, they, like, they held the line. Yeah, they held the line. They straight up all quit the same freaking weekend in order for Joe Biden to get the nomination, right, to sort of consolidate what we were calling the quote-unquote moderate wing or whatever. And, you know, now Buttigieg what?

He works in the administration, right? He's like the ambassador to China or something like that. That guy's sitting on a trillion. That guy, he's going to be like, what bridges do we want to fix? And so, oh yeah, they put him in charge of something, is what I'm trying to say. Transportation. He was able to leverage that into something, you know. And that's what I think we're going to see with Connor.

Man, Mayor Connor, I can't wait. Snoring, gasping during sleep, feeling fatigued, ask your doctor about zebbound, terse appetite, the first and only FDA. approved prescription medicine for moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, OSA, and adults with obesity. Zepbound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, OSA, and obesity to improve their OSA. Zetbound is approved as a 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5, or 15 milligram injection. Zetbound contains terseptide and should not be used with other terseptide containing products or any GLP1 receptor agonist

medicines. It is not known if Zepbound is safe and effective for use in children. Don't share needles or pins or reuse needles. Don't take if allergic to it or if you or someone in your family had medullary thyroid cancer or if you've had multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type two. Tell your doctor if you get a lump or swelling in your neck. Stop Zepbound and call your doctor if you have severe stomach pain or a serious allergic reaction. Severe side effects may include inflamed pancreas or gallbladder problems. Tell your doctor if you experience vision changes before scheduled procedures with anesthesia. If you're nursing, pregnant, plan to be, or taking birth control pills.

Taking Zepbound with a sulfonel urea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. Side effects include nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting, which can cause dehydration and worsened kidney problems. Talk to your doctor. Call 1-800-545-99 or visit Zepbound.lily.com. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-D-Nine for both kiddos and grown-ups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help. You're racing thoughts and restless nights won't stand a chance.

Find Ollie's sleep solutions for the whole family at ollie.com. That's O-L-L-L-Y.com. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost. Or you could book a stay with Hilton.

Welcome to your ocean front room. Just steps from the water. The Hilton sale is on now. Book on Hilton.com or the Hilton app and save up to 20% to get the stay you expected. When you want savings, not surprises. It matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay.

One thing that is you get to the end of a succession episode and if there's not like a real like slam dunk twist, cliffhanger kind of ending. Sometimes you're more processing everything you just saw because it's so dense. I mean, like, Waz and I watched these episodes a couple of times, and you just notice little cutaways, little, like, one-liners.

A lot of reaction shots that I think the first time around, you don't really notice with them. You miss them. Yeah, and then the second time around, like, oh, my God, watch Jerry's face when this happens or watch Greg's face when somebody says this. The last scene feels pretty significant, especially upon, like, re-watching it,

where Kendall gets put in, I think it's not an accident that it looks like an interrogation booth. You know, it looks like an interrogation room, alluding to the sort of leverage that Logan has over him in terms of knowing about the crime he committed. And then Logan essentially, like, just humiliates him.

He's like, oh, this little guy who thinks he's having a big moment, put him in the ugliest box in this hotel, and then I'm just not going to show up and I'm going to block his number. And I'm not even to block his number to make somebody else block it. What was your interpretation of the last scene? Like, do you think that there's like some finality to it

or do you think that that's just like Logan's latest chess move on him? I think is Logan's way of saying like, you know, now that I don't need you to sway some asshole shareholder in the Hamptons or... Keeps-stoo-in-volved, yeah, right. Keep Stewie involved so that we can come to some type of agreement. Like, now that I no longer need you, you're finished. I'm finished with you.

Locking your number. Don't come to my crib. Don't call me. You're not invited on Thanksgiving. Go do what you got to do with DOJ. Go figure out your position with Stewie and Sandy because you have none. Now that this deal is over.

Like, Kendall's going to realize he's in the cold quite quickly, I think. And that's why he's going to run into the warm embrace of the federal government. But, you know, to me, that's just Logan just saying, like, bro, You tried it. Again? Again. And you're done. And to add to this, Chris, it's just like rewatching this.

I'm like, how can Kendall think that family control the retention of this company by the family is how he gets to run this company? Like, you know. He's only interested in the latter. If he was interested in any of the other shit that he was saying, he would just be like, the most important thing is that this company gets disliked. Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. He would have did his snitching act at the podium. And he'd be like, get these people out. Whatever. All of these people in jail, including me. Yeah, whatever. Divest. I'll get my share of the company because I own some of it as one of the kids. And, you know, as a shareholder, whatever. And I'm out. And that's it. And we keep it pushing. But it's so obvious that he wants to be part of it. And like, once you stabbed your dad and he was, he's never. He's never. going to hand it to you, which is another thing, man, that's, and I know this is kind of a digression, but on the second watch, when Jerry's explained it to them that, like, you know why it doesn't

matter if Sandy stipulates that you guys don't get the succession? Or the Jets or whatever, yeah. Because it's never going to happen that way. Like, that's what these kids are so dumb that they, like, it's never going to get past to you. Yes. You guys are going to have to figure out a way to take it from everybody. Nobody's going to just pass it to you.

So just because Sandy's saying he wants to be able to veto it from happening, Jerry's like, guys, it doesn't matter because Jerry knows nobody's giving it to you, kids. So this stipulation is just something that he could put in the papers to embarrass your dad. It doesn't matter. And then you see that part with Shiv's like, I get to be the one that tells my dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Jerry looks at it like, really? That's what we doing right now?

So many reaction shots were incredible. Jerry's in that one. The fucking shareholders when Kendall's talking. To a man, everybody's face is like, this fucking guy. I know. Are you fucking shitting me? The face that Jerry makes when Shiv goes up to Logan with the champagne glass and is like, we did it.

Like you did it. And he's just like, oh, I would have gotten a better deal or, you know, that's what somebody says when they get the shitty end of a deal. And she's just like, well, what would you have done? You were, you were AWOL without saying like, you were piss mad. Jerry was like, shit. Like, this is, like, I'm watching this one. Another kid bite the dust.

Speaking of biting the dust, the last one I have for you is just like, what's your veterinarian opinion on the rabbit? Like, what are we going to get? Is the rabbit got a second life here or what? Is this bagel going to do it in? The rabbit is kind of, I'm sorry. starting to think it's a metaphor for Kendall's just life, goals, ambitions. Yeah.

And just it's his baby that he is just completely just ruining for no reason with the substances and the bagels and the, you know, neglect. And it's just Kendall cannot handle anything that is fragile, that needs care, that needs help, that needs some sort of. of stewardship. He just cannot do it. The rabbit is about to fucking die. And Kendall's not even why.

Kendall's fucking it up from afar. Yeah. He's not even there. He's fucking it up. He also fucked up because he didn't give the rabbit a late 90s early odds NBA name. Like, I don't know why is that rabbit not named Kenyon Martin.

Any other stuff, succession stuff you wanted to hit before we get out of here? What do I got? What do I got? Nobody wants Shiv's input. I'm just, it's just notes that I have. Nobody wants Shiv's. Let's do the notebook dump. The notebook dump. Oh, just, just Kendall's Fixit speech.

Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, my God. That's the thing is nobody here actually has any like fungible, actionable things to do. They're just screaming about like what kind of visibility do I have. What kind of power of life? Just like fix it? Fix it?

Fix it. Fix it. The guy who fucking backdoored Stewie and Sandy in here in the first fucking place. The guy who went freaking straight up just, you know, whistleblower on national TV. The dude whose life is a complete and utter train wreck, which is why our perception as kids of our dad is people that might run this. is so in the fucking toilet. Because he's like, you guys are just going to try and stab me in the back. Yeah.

Like, this guy walks in and tells me to fix it? That was just, that was rich. That was a great moment. The imaginary cat getting taken out in the paper bag. Another great line, Moscow, so that Moscow knows what Washington is doing. That just was to avoid nuclear catastrophe. I was just like, yeah. I love that.

I wonder if Henry Kissinger watches this show. He's still kicking, by the way. I don't know if Kissinger's got HBO Max. He probably got it for Dune. He was probably like, the homies on Dune really had the right idea. Was, thanks so much.

Thanks so much to Bobby for producing us. You can catch tons of TV talk on the Ringer PrestiGTV podcast. You can also catch Waz on group chat and full court fits on the Ringer YouTube channel and you can catch me on the watch and various other Ringer properties. Thanks so much for listening.

We'll talk to you guys next week. Chris, if I ever sue you, be in a way that you know that I still love you.