The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Succession’ Season 4, Episode 3 Precap

Episode Date: April 7, 2023

Chris and Wos start their conversation by discussing the real-world parallels within ‘Succession,’ and juxtaposing Logan Roy’s natural leadership and media savvy against the kids’ vengefully naive motivations. Next, they take a look at the show's focus on Kerry's rise to prominence and Connor’s lingering presidential campaign (18:22). After the break they speculate on the possible Episode 3 scenarios, talk about some of the recognizable New York City locales, and Wos shares his impressions of working in a corporate environment (22:22). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Wosny Lambre Associate Producers: Isaiah Blakely and Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Chris Ryan. I'm here with Big Was. We're pre-capping Succession Episode 3 by talking about episode 2, talking about where we think things are going. Was, what's going on, man? Chilling, man. I just got to say I never watch the clock when I'm on with you, Chris. I promise. This is not work.

I'm actually recording this while standing on a platform of Xerox paper as I address the troops. Was, why don't we start there? I wanted to get your take on the real world inside a succession. Yes. Wait, what do you mean by that? Well, because we obviously got glimpses of not only ATN, which is the Fox stand-in for this show, but also PGN, which is like MSNBC. Right.

And I talked about this a little bit when we were talking about episode two, but how hilarious it was just watching Roman and Kendall watch five minutes of PGN and be like inside baseball, but it's a show about politics. Right, right. Hardball with Chris Matthews, producers. They died a little bit inside when they heard that one. Does Succession have not enough real world, too much real world, or just the right amount? When it comes to obvious parallels to our kind of reality.

I think, I mean, I'm going to sound like a show for the show. I think it's just the right amount. But if they did more, they would excel at it. Because whenever they do depict, you know, we talk the, politics last year, I mean last episode, or how they talk about how, you know, corporate news media works, they're, they're pretty spot on. They're pretty good at it. Like, when they just talk about like, oh, we're over-indexing on academic types, like, yeah, they'll do that on MSNBC, but don't think they won't have former CIA operatives explaining how, you know,

your interest is served in Arkansas, like, by what the CIA does. does abroad, right? So I think they do a good job of depicting the real-world entities. I thought you were going to talk about, because you mentioned Roman, I mean, not Roman, Logan standing on that stack of Xerox papers, how sometimes the art of this show imitates life, because they stole that from, like, from Rupert. They stole that from Roofs, man. Rooop's, shout out to Rupert, man.

Love died a little bit this week. Fell apart. Did you see? No, is that true? Wow. Rupert Murdoch was going to get married for the fifth time, I believe. Six times the charm. And he's 92 years old.

Wow. He had a 66-year-old fiancé. There's nothing wrong with that. And he got, it was like two weeks away. It was like real soon. And he called it off. Wow. So anything's possible in this world and in the world of succession.

I was struck by, and I feel like this is like a, a case of like you sometimes you take a step outside yourself and be like what am I actually saying here but I was struck by how much more of a natural talent Logan is than his children yeah like he obviously has the bloodhound nose of a newsman

and understand something on like an elemental level which you could also say Rupertukh does too about what people actually want to read about you know and his his sort of speech to the newsroom, while volcanic and largely full of like, kind of like broad cliches or whatever, clearly got to the heart of what he wanted those people to be doing

and they inspired them. While, when you think back over the course of the series of the series, and all the like Kendall standing in front of people just using like catchphrases from PowerPoints. I'd watch that shit. Yeah, I would too. But like when he's like addressing Walter or talking. about like, you know, hyper-local to global global.

Yes. You're just like, this guy doesn't have it. He doesn't. He doesn't. Logan is clearly a leader of men and women. It's obvious why people follow him. He has a natural charisma. And even if, you know, he's been largely a horrible father and a dick to his kids, there are certain things about people that he deeply knows and understands.

when he said we want to be saying the thing that everybody's thinking but nobody wants to say he knows that people will respond to that people will respond to these truths so to speak that nobody is saying out loud like he obviously has an instinct for this like we say it we say it every single episode he grew this business

it's not because he doesn't know anything about it And, you know, the contrast to the kids is hilarious. And, you know, in that same meeting where sometimes the experience of watching this show is so, I don't even know how to describe it because we're a media company and this show is about making media. And when they're critiquing, it carries audition tape. And what's hilarious about that scene to me, that's just, again, success. is just perfect. They're like, this is a sign of our dad's decline that he wants to elevate this woman.

Meanwhile, they think they should be elevated within a company for no reason. Like, they are no more qualified for the positions they think that they should have other than the fact that they're related to him. Like, it's not any more credible than the fact that this woman gives him candies every now and again, right?

So this is so spot on because I felt like this past episode was one of the first times I think that in real time, I was like, oh, the kids are the butt of this joke. Like, the kids are the object of satire. You're supposed to sort of view them as your kind of POV characters,

and because of that, you get emotionally involved with them, I think. But, like, they are the ones that the show is lampooning. You know what I mean? And their lack of self-awareness to be like, like you're saying, Carrie doesn't deserve this somehow.

But I deserve to run a multi-navouncing. National media conglomerate is ridiculous. It's, it's absurd. And, you know, they're saying this stuff with no self-awareness. Just, they don't even understand their absurdity. And of course, at the end of it, Logan is like, you guys are not serious people. Like what we all know to be the truth is not just bluster.

It's like, well, she's like, well, you don't know everything. You're a human being. It's like, all right, I don't know everything. but I think I know about business and business deals. Like, okay, I don't have to know about everything to know that I have a better handle on this deal and the mechanics and the inner workings of it and reading this guy. Then you three fucking idiots. Like, it's just so obviously true. Okay, so this leads us to the, so we're kind of already establishing that we've got Logan, albeit in the twilight, still has his fastball.

And that the kids, while sitting on this big pile and wanting a bigger pile with this Gojo deal that they're manipulating, like, they think that they're next in line. The first two episodes have set up this prospective deal that's going to happen between Waystar and Lucas Matts and Gojo buying most of that company, but giving ATN to Logan to spin off. And then the kids want to buy PGN and basically set up a rival company, except. towards the end of this episode, the kids get seduced by this idea of squeezing Mattson for more money. So one of the things I've noticed a lot over this week

in terms of people talking about this show online is to what extent we can understand yet the kids' motivations. So I was wondering when you were watching this episode and rewatching it, why do you think it is that Kendall and Shiv in their different ways undermine

what they had sort of all agreed on? then we're going to buy PGN and we're just going to have our own thing. And that's what Logan kind of says to them. Like wave through the Gojo deal. You guys can get your money. You guys can buy PGN. I'll have ATN. Separate companies and then we can be a family again.

What did you think of when first Kendall talks to Lucas and Shiv talks to Sandy Furness to be like, maybe we should slow this down. Maybe we should squeeze this a little bit. Maybe we shouldn't wave it through. It just feels like petty revenge. Yeah. They feel like they were personally wounded. and undermined by their father,

by not being elevated to the top of the company, so much so that he said, fuck this, I'll sell this shit before I let you guys have anything to do with it. And so they want to hurt him back. There is no, there's obviously no logic governing their behavior. Like, it's obvious.

They go from the 100 to PGN to, yeah, the PGN thing is nice. And this sale is going to actually, actually fund that endeavor, but nothing takes precedence over, you know, getting dad back. That's, that's ultimately their, their, their motivation is to make this guy feel bad. They want to make him feel bad. They want to make him suffer. They want to make him sweat. That's it. There's nothing undergirding this shit besides a personal vendetta. That's why it's laughable when she's like, oh, no, this isn't personal. Yeah. She thinks she's being.

such a killer when she's like, this isn't personal, this is, this is business. It's just like, you guys just completely, if you guys were such business-minded people, you completely overpaid for the PGN thing. And again, like, we just watched this last week where you guys pretending that $500 million was nothing. And then Kendall comes in there with his dad and says, this would mean $100 million to us. So yeah, this is so important. It's worth holding the deal up.

Like, how can us as viewers take anything these people say seriously? I've read it a bunch of different ways. I've flipped back and forth on it. So let's just take the Kendall part. So Kendall gets this phone call from Lucas Mats and he takes it in the subway when they're at McManus or wherever they're at in New York City. I thought it was Corner Bistro.

Sean did say, I think this is Corner Bistro, but I guess it's not. I guess it's this place McMannis. Yeah. And Kendall takes the call and Lucas is kind of like up late and is like basically don't fuck with me.

Like if you guys delay this deal, I'm just going to pull. I'm just going to walk. I watch that. And I guess this speaks to like how unsavvy my business mind is. And I was like, Kendall is doing what he's doing because he's self-sabotages. Because he's like very self-destructive. And because just the fact that Lucas selected him to talk to, he's like, I have some sort of import and I'm going to now push my advantage even if it winds up destroying this thing that we've just worked on.

Other people have suggested that what Kendall is doing is basically a negotiation tactic where he's like, this guy calling me and saying I'll pull the deal, means he won't pull the deal and he's just trying to scare me off. How did you read it as that? I read it as Kendall. I think he has a right, the instinct is right. This guy's not called,

I'm Kendall. He knows he's Kendall Roy and nothing, nobody that nobody cares about. He's calling me to try to, you know, sort of get this deal through. Then that means he's weak. Like he doesn't,

you don't call Kendall when you're strong. Right. That's not how that works, right? And so I think he has a correct reading, but like everything else, they're overplaying their hand. Like, you have a nice hand, but it's not as nice as they think it is. Just like everything else. Like these kids, they're born on third base and they think they hit a triple. Right.

Like that philosophy governs so much of what they do that they just can't. Like Kendall's like, no, he's right to think that he's, Madsen is soft somewhere. Yes. To be reaching out to him. He's right about that. But the way that these people are going to go about doing it, you just know they're going to bumble it. They're not.

And it's not just because we watch that we watch them screw everything up over and over again. It's just hear them talk about it. They can't articulate why they do what they do ever. Right. Right. And so, yeah, I definitely think he's on to something for sure. Yeah, you know, I mean, Shiv and Kendall both,

seem unable to function unless it's an opposition of their father. You know, whether it's try to court his favor or bring him down. But the idea of them doing PGN in a world where there is no Logan Roy, or the idea of them doing PGN against Logan Roy, but also having their hands full with the process, like the day to day of like running a business, it almost seems like that's like too far-fetched for them. Like the only thing that Succession ever really covers is the deal-making.

There's never the like, here's how we go about the day-to-day stuff. Tom does that. Logan does that. But Kendall and Schiff, they haven't really worked on anything. No, they don't. And I think that's the one thing they do truly understand is that they're only relevant in so much as they're related to Logan. Yeah.

Right? That's the ultimate relevance. Owning PGN is one thing. Like, all right, you use your dad's money to buy a news organization. would be totally different from running Waystar because your dad picked you. That makes you matter if your dad said, these are the people who I see is bringing the company forward. And they know that in the eyes of people, they matter.

They understand they're irrelevant outside of their father. And so that's why they're so, that's why everything they do is centered around either trying to curry, his favor or trying to sabotage him or whatever, they don't matter outside of this guy. Yes. They want to be in proximity to him somehow. Because even their media company, it has to exist in opposition to dad's company.

I mean, think about the actual Murdoch kids. Because there's the one, I keep getting James and Lachlan confused, but one of them is basically Rupert's lieutenant who is... I think that's Lachlan. And who is a little even more like scary than Rupert in some ways.

And then there's James who was like, I'm out after the Disney deal and I'm going to go like save the rainforest. And nobody talks about that dude. No. You know, like his, like he's off on his own doing whatever he's doing in Australia.

And no one's like, man, that guy really turned it all around. You know, like that guy really, and we really care about this not Rupert Murdoch guy, you know? And they've said it a few times

over the course of the season where the question is brooched. Like, why, like, a rich, like, it's just, but they understand, like, we just be other rich people. Like, these things make us matter. We do not, we cannot matter in any other sense. And even like Shiv, her job in the government, we learned that she got hired because

of her connections. Yeah, yeah. It's not because of her skill. It's because of who she's in close proximity to. They all know that. That's why they can't let it go. They know they would just fade into. Bolivian if they didn't, to quote the great Mike Tyson,

like if they didn't do that. The only person who seems to understand that is Roman. Yes. Because he's like, I'm down to do this with you guys if you're really going to do it. And when he gets the picture that these two chumps are going to like sabotage stuff because the only thing that they're interested in, what does Shiv say at the end of the episode? It's like, was that good for you, fucking dad? And Kendall's laughing.

And Roman's like, what are we doing, man? We're throwing around hundreds of millions of dollars. We're negotiating a deal, then throwing in the trash the next day. He's probably jealous because Kendall's talking to Matson. Now he doesn't know that yet, but he's, you know, that was his guy. And then he shows up at his dad's house, you know, at the end of the episode. Ultimately, I don't see, I don't think he was left any other choice, right? The hundreds thing, again, it's your opportunity to make your mark.

You're starting this thing from the ground up. Making this thing successful will make you. you into the people that you allegedly want to be. And so Roman's like, yeah, let's go after this. Let's do it. And then just time and time again, it's like these kids, they don't want it for real. Yeah.

They just want to sniff their dad's ass all day. And so Roman's like, I tried the solidarity thing. Yes. It's just not going to work. It's so funny how at the end of the second episode, as soon as Roman arrives, it's like Tom's out. And how like there's always this surrogate hole there.

Like if she's not there, then Jerry can be there. But if once the kids come back, like the sort of C-suite people disappear. Sure. I wanted to ask you what you kind of thought about some of the lower level plots that have still gotten a lot of screen time

in the first two episodes, specifically Kerry, who's kind of emerged this season as a major character. and the amount of time that they're spending on Connor and Conner's presidential campaign because that's getting more screen time than say any of Kendall or Roman's personal lives. You know what I mean?

We're not really seeing a lot of where Kendall goes at night kind of thing. What do you think of these sort of like B plots that are now A minus plots? Well, okay, so the Kerry thing I think is illustrative of the show's ideas around corporate culture, right? When Greg is just like, I did the job. After he tells her she's not going to get to be on TV.

And he's just saying like he literally just performed his job function. This is what middle management is. Like who Greg is, like, what his politics are or the, like, is he a great guy? And ultimately doesn't matter. When you're in this job, you do what you're told or you're out of there. somebody else does it. And it keeps rolling downhill. It would have been amazing to see how far down they could kick this job.

Because Tom is like, okay, I'll do that. And it's like, Logan gives it to Tom. Tom gives it to Greg. And Greg ultimately has to do the hard thing that Logan couldn't even be bothered to have with his mistress. With his, like, he sleeps with this woman. And he's like, I'm not going to have this conversation with you. Right.

I think the show, again, that's why I love the show. It's explaining to you how this world operates. And, you know, the stuff with Connor, I think the Connor stuff is good. And he even does it explicitly as a contrast, a counterweight to how else you can be a Roy kid. There's this version of Roy kid and the Connor version where he's just like, no, I know who I am, I know my function here, it's pretty freaking great to be dad's son. Like, I don't have a lot of love and I don't have a lot of this,

but like, shit, man, I could drop a hundred million on a whim. Like, I think he understands that and he's pretty grateful for where he's at in the whole thing. I think that's what he's serving. It's like there's what the kids are, those kids are doing. And then there's Connor who's just like, you can be imperfectly content. Yeah.

Roy kid. He also winds up to you and the only Roy kid who goes home to anybody at the end of the night. Yeah. Which is like, I think just how lonely these kids have become is pretty unremarked upon. But, I mean, that speaks a lot to why Roman winds up back at his dad's side because he's just like, this is not like a click. You know what I mean? Like, we're not rolling deep like that. Like, I want to have, I want like acceptance and affirmation at the end of the night, not just to be like, okay, well, we've fucked another deal.

Like, let's go like spin out in Dubai for a while. Yeah, and I, I mean, there's something I can understand about, you know, wanting to receive the love of your dad, right? As opposed to what they were doing. Because, again, it's not even like Shiv and Kendall have been this like, yo, we're in this together. There's this camaraderie. And, you know, we're connecting on a deeper level. And we're just doing this in such an intimate way because we're brother and sister.

and it's just, oh, it's just so wonderful and love. It's not. They're not providing that for him. They're not providing anything, especially since he's not united in their quest to get vengeance. He doesn't feel vengeful toward his dad. So at the end of the day, what am I even getting out of this if I'm Roman?

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but the Gojo deal is supposed to go through. You know, it's supposed to be going through, I think, in another day. So I assume there will be a lot of action very soon after the second episode. Do you feel like that this is kind of like we've drawn the battle lines and now we have like these two factions who are going to be fighting it out? Or is there another shooter drop? Is there another? Do you feel like because I guess what I'm getting at is it's the last season? I kind of feel like all bets are off with this stuff.

Yeah. I don't know that any of these factions are very sturdy, right? They seem very corruptible, all of them. Yeah. Like, again, especially when you're dealing with Shiv, like she's showing up late to meetings and lying about being in traffic, and then she's shadily walking out and going on her phone. And then it's like Kendall going into the one train station.

It's like there's nothing, absolutely nothing binding these people. What does he say to Lucas? When Lucas is like, I can't sleep. He's like, me neither, brother. He doesn't say sleep is the cousin of death, but he might as well. Like, it was just like such a fucking. Yeah, like, basically like I see, I hear you type of thing. Yeah, I don't see why we should think any of these alliances are very strong.

And I think that's going to be the fun of the season to watch how all of this backstabbing plays out. because even in the preview, which I watched, they show you roaming quickly being like, damn, dad, like, what's up? Like, I can only do but so much here, you know? Like, this monkey can only has but so many dance moves. Like, you know, so, yeah, I think they're definitely setting that up. Obviously, I feel like these episodes at these huge events are always our favorite ones, right? quite a history of weddings on this show.

Yes. Or even just a huge get everybody in the room. Like when they went on that weekend excursion to the Pierce's residence, like Kendall's birthday party, Logan's birthday party where he, was that his birthday? When he wrapped or was it like some award that he was getting for being a titan of industry? Kendall had his birthday.

I think Logan had, well, the first season there's like a Logan party where he's supposed to step down and he doesn't. Yes. I'm not fucking leaving. Yeah. I can't remember which one. Yeah, but I don't,

the parties, the rehearsal, the weddings are always the best, the best episodes, in my opinion. And so, yeah, I look forward to rewatching this

right before we got, this, this is just so much funny stuff, dude, happening every single moment. So I wanted to ask you about getting a wee bear, but not a Hoagarden at the bar.

This show is known for its global local local locales and just, setting all over the place. Yes. But it's low-key one of my favorite New York shows ever made. Ever. And since they just flex the budget, it's not Toronto.

It's not Atlanta. No, no, no. They are in Manhattan. Yeah. Straight up. It's a great New York show. Yeah. I always loved it when Kendall gave Greg the apartment, basically,

as long as he could, like, hang out whatever he wanted. I've always loved the locations in New York. Like, even Logan walking through. Is that Central Park? Are we meant to think that Logan lives in Upper East? side? Oh, I just would figure Upper West.

But yeah. But maybe. And then, yeah, the kids go to some Midtown karaoke bar. Yep. Korea Town.

Yeah. And then like, they take Connor to this bar McMannis, which is like, is it kind of a dive? I've never been there. I've never been,

but I think it's supposed to be on like 17th Street. Okay. I believe if what I read is correct. But yeah, just... I was living in New York,

obviously in I want to say it would have been like around 2009-ish when the sort of beer

revolution started happening and these beer gardens and stuff craft ails these beer gardens popping up

you know you would go what was it called berries I think in it's like in the on the Williamsburg

and Greenpoint border they were like there were like three beer gardens I love how you just that like it's Serbia and Bosnia. Yeah. The border.

Literally like when these neighborhoods intersect, there was three beer gardens on the one freaking block and you could go there on a random Thursday and it'd be moms with strollers in these places, right? Like, so I remember when that all happened in New York. It's just like, because people don't, people tend to think of New York as this like, you know, the cultural universe of the world,

center of the world and all. of this art and this and that when really New York is really like a blue collar town in many ways like super gritty and I just remember these beer gardens and I was just like what is this shit? It's also it's funny because it's like New York has the best dive bars in the world

so it's kind of tough to be like yeah let's go sit outside and have an 11% alcohol IPA and you're just like man have a Miller right like get a high life and shut the fuck up dude what else from this episode or what else from the upcoming episode. Did you want to hit? Man, again, when I told you guys that it's my opinion that Succession has some of the best politics on TV right now, just the utter contempt that Logan has for his workforce.

The staccanovite? Dude. The dude writing one email. That was so incredible. He's fucking standing behind this guy. First of all, it was just like, do you imagine being that dude? But him just be like, this fucking staccanovite. He's written one email.

Oh, my God, dude. Called them Clock Watchers. Just the utter contempt. Like, he just hates them. Yeah. When Tom goes, like, we're, you know, we're up 3% week over, you know, like, we're doing pretty good or whatever. Like, Logan makes a face like, 3%.

Like, you know, like, he does the jerking off gesture. Is that good enough? Yeah. You know, just that is so beautifully illustrated on this episode. It's like, this guy hates his workforce. Yeah. He actively hates them. He considers them to be a leech off of him

when they're the worker bees making this entire thing happen. And so that's the kind of stuff that this show is incredible at. And also, what's Carrie's last name? Caslo. Adabade or something like that? Do we think that's Italian? What do we? Yeah, I'm not sure.

What do we think that is? It gave me some. Italian vibes. I was like, okay. Carrie as a guinea, all right? It kind of changes my opinion a little bit. I was trying to imagine like why Carrie would want to be an anchor.

You know what I mean? Like I guess, like why her ambition would take her in that direction. You know, because like she could very easily like be pretty powerful within that organization and already is in terms of being a gatekeeper to Logan. But I guess being on TV is seductive. I mean, Chris, I got to turn the question. on you. You're a big dog manager. Why be such a great podcast?

Why be so front-facing? Why be the star? I have to answer the call of my own my own muse, man. Let it out. You know? I think it's just vanity, right? Like, people want to be on TV. People want to be famous.

Yeah. You know? I understand that. Holy, for sure. There's a little bit when Logan's doing that speech before it starts, where like, Logan's like, where's Sid who plays the sort of president of the news division or the person who's sort of like, I think loosely based on Suzanne Scott who runs Fox. And Tom's like, oh, well, we don't see much of Sid when it's ballet season or whatever. And when Sid gets there, she's just like calls Tom her social secretary.

I was like, I love the internecine office like barbs that we don't even all seen about that. But you know that Sid is like, I've been doing this job for 20 years. Who the fuck is this guy from Minnesota? 100% who's married to Shiv and everything. It's just like the idea that this fool could talk to me about my opera schedule is absurd. But that's, you know, that's typical corporate backstabbing. That's, it's, it's beautiful. It's just perfect how that's played.

But yeah, I enjoyed Logan in the office. Just how miserable, especially when I was, when I, one of my, you know, very, very, brief stints and like real corporate job and just like how tight everybody got when the real bosses would come around when it's not just like your supervisor or your manager it's like the person three rungs on the corporate ladder above your manager so the person who's you know your manager usually walks around like real cocksure and just like yeah I'm the man over here blah blah blah blah and then the day that person comes to watch your manager turn into like a squirming little twerk.

Those days are always the most stressful. So like, I'm just, just watching that and just so people know, that's not, that's not how it is

in the ring or office is when Bill shows up. But, just watching that dynamic who's just hilarious to me. Bill's more like, when Bill shows up, it's more like,

like when Stewie shows up or something. Exactly. Yeah. It's pretty funny. Bill would never sit behind somebody's laptop and be like,

your shit at your job. Like, that's just, not a thing that would happen here. But yeah, Logan, he's calling the rats, fat and all of that. He just literally could not hate

the working man anymore than he does, dude. Anything else before we get going? No, I'm just really excited about the season, man. I can't wait for Scars Guard to pop up. I think it's just... I'm looking for it to Justin Kirk coming back.

Oh my God. So good. And he's in a... Are you watching Perry Mason? I sure am. Yeah, I'm really into that show. Yeah. It's just a really enjoyable show. I am really, really, really into that show, but he's in that joint, too. He plays a closeted DA,

district attorney. Really good. Yeah, Perry Mason is, it kind of reminds me of like, boardwalk empire the way it's just like, oh, this is just like a really good hour long drama. There's like five plots. I'm pretty into them. Got to get these kids free. Who done it? That's it. This is give me a good who done it, some good

character actors. You know, a couple of sex scenes. I'm good to go, Chris. I'm revved up. Let's go. Thanks to Isaiah and Chris for producing us today. You can catch Bill, Joanna, and Sean recapping episode three on the prestige TV feed. And then me and Andy recapping episode three on the watch feed.

And me and Wallace will be back next week. I hope everybody enjoys the next episode. Talk to you soon.