The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Task’ Episode 3: Who’s the Mole?

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Bill, Jo, and Rob head to Barnaby’s to recap the third episode of ‘Task.’ (0:00) Intro (3:19) What we learned (6:06) Why Eryn wants revenge (10:50) The Dark Hearts vs. Freddy Frias (20:05) The mole hunt (25:43) Lizzie’s baggage (45:12) The case for (and against) each of the task force members as the mole (54:46) Predictions Email us! [e-mail] Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of ‘The Prestige TV Podcast’ and so much more! Hosts: Bill Simmons, Joanna Robinson, and Rob Mahoney Producers: Kai Grady and Donnie Beacham Jr. Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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doing this in person. We're doing it on Zoom. Rob, where do you want to start? What did you think? It's only fair if we're going to properly heat this thing. Like, you're You got to give Pelfrey some time to cook. You got to get him some time to scream and pound his chest. I thought we finally got some of that. This is sort of like a handoff episode, in my opinion, giving his end of the plot line a lot more shrift this week. Joanne, a biggest revelation?

Other than Freddie Frius and his teeth? Oh, I think, I mean, other than the confirmation of some of the things that we were talking about last week, I think the thing that has me most concerned, Bill, is we found out that this adorable child cannot swim. And all I think about was your theory about that kid and I got very nervous. So, yeah. Loves animals.

He's clearly going to maybe die in the forest in a body of water. And they're just laying breadcrumbs left and right. The magnetism between Sam and the quarry has never been stronger. Like he will be chasing a deer, an animal of some kind and just fall straight off. Into the water? Just straight off a cliff. Oh, God. But will he survive?

Will he survive because of everything that Mave has taught him? That's how to float. Tune in to find out. Interesting. I mean, they had that child feeding watermelon to a chicken. They're just like, this is the cutest child ever. Be prepared to cry. I'm worried about it.

I'm very worried. I did get sent down a Google rabbit hole. Can chicken eat watermelon? Can? I've got great news, guys. No free ads, but shout out to the chicken coop company that has an extensive listicle on this subject. We support journalism. Apparently, it's a good way to keep chickens cool and hydrated in the summer.

It's a delightful summer treat for the chickens. They also love it, which means, look, poor Gertie has been getting hounded by Sam. All of these weeks, apparently, now refusing the watermelon. She's so bothered by him. Okay. All right. Wow. I've already learned so much.

I'm only three minutes in. Chickens eat watermelons. Sam can't swim. I wrote down a bunch of things we found out. Okay. What you got? And I'm going to take them in order. because the first thing we found out,

Robbie is getting revenge on the biker gang because they killed his brother. And not only did not apologize for it, went to the funeral, shook us hand, looked him in the eye. Let that motherfucker come and shake my hand. I was waiting for it. Pelfrey was just, was on one in here.

Fucking tired of that life. He was just, this was one of his Emmy scenes. But we guessed a lot of this. And they basically told us this, but he finally came out and said it. Like, I am robbing these houses because they killed my brother and they looked me in the eye and it was no big deal to them. So now I'm getting my revenge.

I guess that my nitpick with this, Rob, wouldn't he be the number one suspect? Yeah. If these drug houses were getting robbed, wouldn't they be like, hmm, I wonder who has something against us? Maybe it's the guy whose brother we killed. Especially when they're like in the entire history of biker gang culture. Only one time has there ever been infighting that led to a death of a dark hearts member. It's like, yeah, maybe this is the one thing we should look at, especially now that they know that Cliff is involved.

Like, how is it not a neon sign pointing right back to Robbie? What do you think, Joe? Yeah, that's a great question. I can only guess it's like hubris that they don't, they're underestimating Robbie and how he feels. I don't know that they know that Cliff is, how well do people know that Cliff is connected to Robbie? That's the next connected step that, you know, if only Shelley and Ray paid closer to, attention when Cliff introduced Robbie and got his name right. Maybe we'd be closer, but Tom and the task scheme are zeroing in on like through Billy, through Billy route, you know, and then they've got

like the cliff thread and those are going to converge on Robbie later in the season, I would guess. So what do we think Robbie's last 10 years looked like before they started robbing these houses? It's just like an odd jobs guy, family man, kind of stayed out of the business. Do you think he dabbled in it? They've given some clues, but I don't know, Rob, what do you think? Just stayed out of it? What is he? It seems like he was an honest-to-goodness actual garbage man based on the description, right? Like, he's just been working, like, whatever blue-collar job he can get.

I'm guessing he's been trying to stay out of it. I'm guessing maybe he even tried to talk his brother out of it, of being involved in this kind of life in the first place. And now, you know, now he's come and gun, like full swing trying to get revenge. But it's pretty clear he doesn't quite know what he's doing. I think he's more careful than some of their characters, which suits him and keeps him out of trouble in some cases. But he's not well-versed in this world. Well, and we also met Robbie's dead brothers,

Gumar, mistress, a fair partner. Whatever you want to say, she was the girlfriend or wife of Jason, one of the lead biker guys. Girlfriend, yeah. I thought it was wife. Well, look, who's to say what their circumstances are? His old lady.

is his whole lady. I'm going to say bad career move, maybe having an affair with Jason's wife. I'm going to recommend no on that from a survival standpoint. In a fucking biker gang, I'm going to say that's a stay away.

It's against the bylaws for sure. Like Darkheart's HR definitely had to step in. There was a whole thing. It's a lot. Yeah, there's a whole disclosure thing you have to go through. Yeah, it's a lot. But she says, you know, when they have this scene with Robbie and Cliff and her,

she says like, I loved him. So this was, Joanna, did your flashback radar get on? Are we going backwards with this threesome? Maybe. I don't know that we care enough about Aaron. I'll be curious to see if we care enough about her to get that flashback. We did get a flashback in this episode, of course, to Tom's life.

We've been seeing a lot of billion photos. So it feels like it's going to be really important that we know what Billy looks like. And whether that has anything to do with the, the footage of the shootout in Redding or something like that. I don't know. But they really, really want us to know what Billy looks like. So maybe we will need that information for a flashback. Here's my question.

When they do meet with Aaron, Cliff says that, you know, she has kind of gotten what she wanted. And she's sort of walking away from the situation, at least their conversation. What is it that she wanted just for the dark hearts to get hit for them to suffer some financial loss? Was that it? She says Jason's, they're going to yank Jason out.

Oh, true. She's in for the politics. She's like, Perry's here. They're going to take Jason out. Whether that just means demoting him or if you get iced, if you're like no longer the head of your biker gang, I don't know, but she wants like retribution. It seems like to me.

And possibly some money for the kids for Billy. Well, here's a red flag. I've learned I've been schooled in the Joanna Robinson School of IMDB sleuthing. The girlfriend, whatever you want to call her, is played by Margarita Levieva. Is that how say your name? Leviva. I've been a long-time fan.

She had a dramatic second season episode arc and How to Make It in America. That's the one. A great show that they just could never really land the plane on, but I watched every episode. Dave Jacoby was his favorite show of all time. I wish she'd been on for five years, but she was really good in that. And then, and she's bounced around. and Ben, she's definitely been in a bunch of stuff, but she was really good in Deuce,

or the Deuce, whatever that David Simon show was. Yeah. I've always liked her, and I think she's a good actress, and I just don't, I find it hard to believe she's just popping in and out for one scene by a leak. Oh, yeah. I mean, she has things to do, right? She's got her eye on Perry,

talking to the bartender. Like, she's still in the mix, but I don't know if we care enough about, like, her internal life to get the sort of, like, flashback narrative. But yeah, definitely, we've had quite a year with her on House of R because she was an Acolyte and Daredevil, like, you know, in fairly short succession. And so to see her again, I was like, she's haunting me, absolutely. But I think, I thought she's like, are those TV shows?

They are. They're shows covered by a podcast on your network. Ackleight and Daredevil? Yeah, real shows that exist. You could have made up a third one on that one. I would be like, oh, she's on that too. That's the new parlor game. And the Pumas. You don't know about the Puma's.

Oh, my God, the Puma. She's great in that. killer. Yeah. I like her, though. I think she's good. So I feel like there's more to come from her, Rob. I feel like we get a flashback with her. I mean, she at least is going to be keeping tabs on things in the way Joe described. Like, she's important to the plot. Like one of the things that I'm really appreciating about this season so far is there's a version of this show where Robbie and Cliff are just either dumber or operating with less information. And from the second you hear Freddie Freas's name kind of like being dropped into the mix, like, oh my God, they're just going to walk straight into this trap. But they're ahead of the game. And in the same way that the dark hearts are out of the game. Like the task force is the group that's still trying to get up to speed on what the hell is happening between any of these people. But the dual rat, dual mole situation happening actually leads everybody to be pretty well informed. Yeah, the double mole. I can't remember that many shows or movies pulling this off.

We talked about this a bit. The Departed is like the best we can get. And Infernal Affairs, I guess, by association. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's good. I like that. Well, you mentioned Freddie. This was another thing we learned.

We were predicting we would get Freddy in episode three or episode four. We got them almost right away in the third episode. I think a lot of our predictions from the second podcast we did were pretty dead on. Freddy comes in, hates bikers, works with the biker gang, but hates bikers, tells this long, really well-written monologue about when he moved to this country. And he got his teeth kicked in by a couple of bikers and they peed on him. and clearly dealing with these guys, but also kind of hates their guts.

This actor, so Elvis Nalasco, and he's been in a bunch of stuff, most of stuff I don't really watch. Where was he on the radar for you, Joe? Because I thought he was fantastic in that scene. I thought he was really good, too. I have seen him in a few things as well. He's like one of those guys where he shows up,

he's always going to be good, but you always want a little bit more for him. And this feels like a good, good role in that regard. I love, I will say this episode of the three we've watched, this is maybe my least favorite, perhaps because we got less Robbie than we had before, and I just think Tom Pelfrey is so good. And also, I'd say, maybe one too many monologues. You know, we get, like, Aaliyah's story, we get Maeve talking about learning on a swim,

we get the teeth monolog, you know, there's just like a, maybe one too many in this episode. I would not ditch the teeth monologue, though. It was incredibly good. And what I really loved was how Freddie and Jason and Perry, the bikers, are exchanging pleasantries, right? It's like, oh, your daughter's getting married. Oh, do you like the guy? Like, there's, like, I love this in a mob story or a crime story or whatever. When, like, two, you know, competing families or groups or whatever meetup, there's the initial pleasantry.

And then we just devolve into, like, Freddy's like, or I could piss on you. What do you think of my terms? Like, that's where we start and where we end. I thought was really, really good. I think one flow seamlessly into the other. You know, wedding arrangements into potentially peeing on each other. Like, the line is straight. I did think monologue-wise, you guys are right, like, this is incredible.

It's well-written. It's well-performed. I thought this one was easily, like, the most TV thing in this show that has happened all season. It felt like a pause, clear out, let the actor cook kind of monologue in a way that felt a little showy. Not that I'm opposed to that, but did kind of stick out a little bit within a show that otherwise, like, very polished. Part of it to me was the way he was framed. It was like a direct just sort of like, here's this guy centered in the frame perfectly, going to talk directly at the camera about this thing that happened to him.

Whereas, you know, like, Mave or Aaliyah, like, that's a slightly different setup where it just seems a little bit more natural. This is like, here's my audition monologue kind of moment. My self-tape for this role kind of set up. So, yeah. Rob, would you have accepted the 50% or would you have kept negotiating? I don't want to get peed on. Are those the terms?

I think they thought he was just going to, like, say fine for 20. I mean, at this point, it's all found money, right? Like, I think 50% given their circumstances, and most importantly for them, finding the dudes who did this, that should be as valuable as anything, including kind of the score, what was it, is 12 kilos, 12 birds that we're looking for? Yeah. Pure. Well, we learned something very important in this whole exchange that there's some Ecuador, from Boston.

I have a home team now to root for it. I can root for the Ecuadorians to get the fentanyl. I was pumped. Who knew they had a big drug scene that might be coming into Pennsylvania? 50% or I pull out my cock and piss all over your bearded faces. I think this is what I think this is what Rob Polinka said to. I have to. It's what Rob Polinka said to Nico.

Rob, Jesus Christ. Basketball jokes. Sorry, Joe. I have a question. Yeah. On a scale of one to like piss in the beach. Beard feels worse. Way worse than anything else, right?

Especially those are lush beards. Those are, those are beers that are catching soup on a regular basis. And now you're trying to pee into this beard? It's a mess. It's a mess. Well, he has a new set of teeth and he wants 50%. I was glad to get an explanation from Robbie as to why he felt like he needed to move the drugs, why he couldn't just bury the drugs in the woods, which is what I want him to do.

And he's like, I need this money so I guess I can go to Canada. on a trucking route. You know, we had a whole like Zawatneo sort of conversation about like where we might go, which of course we're never going to make it there. But that's why he needs the money for that. And to a certain degree, you could ask yourself, can you do it without

these millions of dollars? But there's that sunk cost fallacy of like, I'm in it. I've got to go all the way. But at least he's justifying to himself, if not entirely to me, why he's not just like running right now. That's what I would do. I would take the kids and mave and go and never look back.

I would not try to move a bunch of drugs while the cops are looking for me and the bikers are looking for me at the same time. Joe, you still have that entrepreneurial spirit. You know, it's true. It's true. Well, I was going to say the move is to just wait a year, right? But this is when the show dips into its heat DNA. The bank is worth the risk.

bank wasn't worth the risk in heat. No. They should have walked away. They'd done enough a job. The heat was on them. Maybe chill for a little while. You already made some money. There's no reason to rob the bank when the police is just waiting for you to do the next thing.

But this is why we love these shows and movies. They have to do the thing you deep down don't want them to do. They just have to. Could you, because you have the kid and that's a problem? Yes. Could you take the kid, not drown the kid, but take the kid, take the two boys and the girl, pack in the car with the drugs, go literally anywhere else. And I feel like as soon as you're in a different state, you know, you might not even have to

wait a year. You could go out to like, go out, come out to the coast, have a few laughs, move from fentanyl. We love fentanyl out here. Come on. Lots of great places for fentanyl. See, I'm not going across state lines with 12 kilos of fentanyl. That sounds like we're escalating my sentencing at that point. And a kidnap boy?

Now who doesn't have the entrepreneurial spirit around. Yeah. That's a really tough one. I would have hung low. The problem is when we get to later in the episode, when the police are at Cliff's house, now they know there's been some dots connected. And so you have on top of like you have these drugs you can't move, the police are putting two and two together.

And I don't know what you do at this point, but you probably just let the kid kind of resurface in a mall or something and just hope that because he's young enough, he's not going to be able to really describe what he remembers. Or do the classic action movie move where you're like, if you tell anybody one thing about this, we're killing you, we're killing your family. Like some sort of threat that he would be afraid.

I think that's your only move with the kid. Good luck. I feel like Sam's like, well, they've got five chickens. This is their name. This is how much they prefer watermelon. Sam knows way too much at this point. If they dump Sam and leave, that's another option. Dump Sam and the drugs and leave

Dump his body? No. Joe, what are you doing? Just leave him and then go to Canada but leave Sam me behind. I would take him with me. He's too cute. On the scale of criminal desperation,

where is on like a zero to 10 I'm going to smuggle myself to Canada? Like we're not really heating up yet because we're not talking about like non-extradition countries, I feel like, but at least a four or five? Yeah, this is in the five to six range. I also, it's a

it's a thing I really like and escape from Danamoa is the best. If we can just get through upstate New York and Canada is like this finish line at the end. We just get there. Like it's going to be so much easier in Canada. Is it? Canada, Mexico are the two.

Yeah. I'd be more, Mexico, I'd probably be more of a Canada guy if I'm trying to escape. Okay. Well, from there, it's a geographic game, right? If you're trying to escape from here, if you're Thelma and or Louise.

From Pennsylvania. You're trying to get to Mexico. But if you're up there in Pennsylvania, aren't you trying to get to Canada? Yes. And as far north as you can get. That's where they're expecting you to go, though. So you might want to zag and try to do Mexico or Cuba or somewhere weird.

Oh my God. I love the idea of Tom and the kids going to Cuba. Yeah, Cuba. It feels like the late 80s in Cuba. We'll take a break and then we'll do the rest of the things we learned. Snoring, gasping during sleep, feeling fatigued, ask your doctor about Zebbound, Terseptite, the first and only FDA-approved prescription medicine for moderate to severe obstructive sleep

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I wasn't down on it. I was just sort of, I was really high in the first two. And I'm like medium high on this one. I guess that's the same is lukewarm. Well, they had to answer some of the things they laid out in the first two. And now I feel like we are unencumbered the rest of the way. Maybe. You know, the, the mole hunt is interesting to me because we talked about this a little bit last week.

Like, is there a mole in the task team and who might it be? Now that we're in episode three, and it's a big, like, who is the mole question? Now I'm wondering if there is no mole. Because a way in which the bikers could have found out about Cliff is we saw them go into Peaches' house, like, fiancé's house. And we don't know what the outcome of that was. We don't know why the bikers are there. And so the fact that Tom is now suspicious of Lizzie and Alia and DeGrosso makes me think that they're all innocent. That's where I am by episode three.

You know, it's too early. They're also fainting pretty hard on the Grasso stuff right now. Maybe it's just because we've been talking about it and kind of circling him as a candidate here. But his like conspicuous, oh, I have a mysterious meeting at 11.30 at night with somebody I'm not going to tell you about, but I need to leave. It's like, oh, I'm just going to show up late with the coffee, but I'm going to blame it on Wawa. There's like a couple too many disappearances for him relative to the rest of the task force that feels pointed, feels in a way that's calling attention to itself. What did you think then, if you have your eye on him, what did you think of the scene where he goes in with Tom to meet Jason and Perry? Like, in scrutinizing those interactions, did you see anything there that was a red flag for you?

This is the thing is it seems like either he and Jason are both very good actors. The best actors. And pretending like they don't actually know each other. Or I think there's door number three as well, which is whoever his contact is, it's not Jason. Maybe he could always be liaisoning with some lower level, dark heart. and the information is going upstream. But I agree with you, Joe, based on the timing, based on how hard they're leaning into the Grasso stuff right now,

I do think whatever information they think is leaking is actually leaking out from somewhere else or just like a different channel. Can I zag a little bit here? Please. Yeah. What's the name of the guy at the tail end of the episode who's telling Ruffalo,

given the informant guy, whoever that guy is? I can't remember his name. Who's basically like you have a mole in the testlers? Yeah. Maybe he's the mole. You think he's the mole? What if this is the old swerverrooney Episode 5 or 6?

This is the guy who's actually pulling the strings here. Can I zig to your zag? Yeah. Plimpton. Plimpton. Another possibility. She has one concern in this episode and it's not looking like a smacked ass. What is Martha Plimpton up to?

She's hearing a flashback. She's closer to Tom than anyone else. She's got a bone to pick with the department. I don't know. Plimpton. That I think would be the most. disappointing swerve where it's like,

I've been in this force for 28 years. I've made jack shit. It was time for me to get mine. We have one of those monologues. Like, all right, this is really how we're ending. I'm just a little suspicious of all the information of that middleman guy. For sure.

Why is he getting all of it? What is he getting out of it? And if you're him and you're actually the person who's double dipping, wouldn't you make it so? You got them all on your task force, do you? I don't know. These four people are pretty randomly mismatched. They are randomly mismatched. They're also kind of pulled into this through such different means, right?

We have characters like Lizzie who are sort of kicked over to the task force because they fucked up their other job. And then we have this sort of like hand it off to Ruffloads. It would be hard to worm your way in here on purpose, I think. Yeah, I agree. That said, the only character from the moment they find out about Cliff, the task force finds out about Cliff. The only character we see texting or calling anybody is Lizzie, who is ostensibly. texting the address to Grosso. So could Lizzie also text it,

drop it in the Dark Hearts group chat? I think that's possible. Could Grasso copy-paste it into the Dark Arts group chat? Also possible. But I'm still leaning towards it's not any of the three of them. So you're saying Alia innocent.

There's no way. I just don't see it. I don't see how you give Alia the big domestic violence speech and plot line and then make her the informant to the Dark Hearts. I don't see that. My pushback on that is

that of the three, she's the one we really suspect, right? Sure. And Lizzie, my counter to that is Lizzie is such a fuck-up in every way that she can't then also be the, like, she's the mole and she fucks up at everything. She'd be too bad of a mole. She's really, really clumsy at it. Or that's why she's the mole because she fucked up in some way and owes people something. Right. And certainly I think Tom will, she'll be Tom's number one suspect because he'll be

like, why did she let them push me down? straight up just watched it happen. But I think Lizzie's I freeze, I freeze, I don't know what to do, I freeze, has to pay off either in a, she freezes and she dies, because that's in a different show, I would

say, she talks about how much she freezes, so of course she has to have a moment where she actually will pull the trigger on Grasso or something like that. You know, like, she won't freeze up. Or she freezes and she dies because that's, you know, the kind of sick

fuck that Brad Eagleby can be. So, yeah. Just a little zag on this one. So her, that we have that scene in the bar after the big, you know, arrest, whatever you want to call it. And then she's hanging out with our guy with the DJ. They're having cigarettes and beers. And then we see some, I know, where were those guys from that we're calling her Lizzie

stovetop? They were stadies, right? Stadies, yeah. So there's some sort of, I couldn't really read what was going on. There was some sort of baggage with her that she was embarrassed by. And we don't know what it is yet. So Joanna, what do you think it was? Okay.

So our screeners that were watching do not have close captions on them, right? Right. Correct. So I turned on the Spanish subtitles. And then translated? And then translated them. Look at this. Because the Stady said something that I was like,

What a legend? What exactly did you say here? And he said, the barracks won't miss you. And I don't know if he means, like, because she sleeps around in the barracks, because just that's a way to say, we won't miss you. Like, what a word choice? The barracks won't miss you. I was just like, what is the, because at first I was like, did he say your parents?

Is she a Nepo baby? Are her her parents criminals? They called her Lizzie Stovetop. Well, her last name is Stover, I think. Yeah. Well, so Stovetop feels derives. Oh, for sure. My interpretation of all that was she also alludes to the fact that she has frozen before,

and that's why she got sent to the task force. She froze and fucked up in some capacity, got benched as an on-duty officer, and then was in the, like, basically had to stay home and hold down the fort back at the office. I think that's where the Lizzie stovetop comes from. Like, she was riding the desk and... Stove top sits on the counter. Exactly. Okay.

That's my interpretation. We'll see. I mean, maybe the fuck-ups are even more extenuous than that. Yeah, I mean, there was a piece of me wondering if there was some sort of sexual thing where there was like she maybe a couple people in the barracks or they got the reputation and that's why they call her stove top. I don't know. That if my shitty ex-husband slept with my best friend, I might want to just be like,

fuck it and, and you know, do whatever I want to do. Yeah. I'm Lizzie. And I'll tell you to partner. All bets are off with Lizzie Stovetop. I don't know what it means and it clearly means something. and there's some baggage we're going to find out about. Maybe there's sexual stuff there.

Maybe there's not. There's definitely some sexual stuff between her and DJ Grosinova. Like she is already trying to get after it. And we have no, look, I respect it. I respect the hustle. I respect everything that she's after here. Yeah, but he, something happened. He didn't like something about the interaction.

He was immediately out. His baggage alert went off and was wrapping it up in five seconds. The way he was kind of studying. her and studying the back and forth. And he was like, oh, my baggage lawyers off. I'm out. Okay. So on the, like, is he a mole?

Is he turned off by this, whatever front? Can we take a moment to understand his like toast that he gives? Yes. Where he toasts her and he calls out the Stadies who came in and were shitty to her. And then he has a weird, like, kind of softball ACAB moment inside of that speech, too. Like, it was a really weird. Yeah. I was like, what is the tenor of the bar?

He's like, it's hard to be a cop. And then a bunch of people boo him, but I was like, but aren't you in a cop bar? Like, I didn't really understand what exactly did. She seemed like she appreciated it, though. She did. She did.

Definitely. He, you know, he kind of, he jumped ship on whatever was happening on the table and then maybe felt bad and was like, uh, I got to forward this one. Alison Oliver, who's playing Lizzie, I think she's really good. And like that, that look she gives him of like, oh my God, someone stood up for me. Yeah.

I thought it was really, really good, and it's going to make it all the sad, sadder when they have to draw guns on each other at some point. It really is. I will say this. If I was in a bar, cop bar or otherwise, and someone got up and made a speech

about the one good cop and wanting me to toast them. Like, how is that not of this fucking guy kind of moment? Like, I would resent the person being toasted even more than if they had ever mentioned it. Yeah. I think he just put,

he paints a bigger target on her back. Oh, completely. So, yeah. Well, going back, we learn Ruffalo's team. I'm just calling him Ruffalo. I know his name's Tom, but I just, I can't help it.

It's connecting Jason's gang with the murder, so they go to the bar and they do the, you got it leak. You know it. We know it. I'm just saying if anyone says that in any show. But near the end, the biker gang says,

we got better ways to find Sam that don't involve either of you. What does that mean, Rob? Beat Pisha's fiance's dad to death. or near death and extract some information. Like, why bother with the legal red tape? Why bother with the task force with the baby feds? You know, like, these are professionals in their own right.

And clearly, they're very plugged in on a lot of different stuff. Why couldn't they get to the bottom of all this? A little vigilante justice? Absolutely. Okay. What'd you think of that, St. Joe? Yeah, the Biker Code. I think it's interesting.

I want to spend more time with Jason as a person. Yeah. Right? Like, I need a Jason monologue. What's Jason's deal? I need to know more. He's a middle manager. I guess so.

I would love to know more about, like, how he really feels about Aaron, what drove him to beat a man to death, who was ostensibly a friend of his. I mean, I know why he did it, but I need to, like, understand who he is, like, that he's that kind of guy. Obviously, could have made the, could make the wife's toes curl, like Billy. Like Billy could. Wow. Look, Billy can cook. We've all said that about him. Billy will throw you into the deep end in every way possible if he can.

So, yeah. I did enjoy from the sequence, the Perry and Tom kind of statement. glower down. It was good. I'm in for it. Obviously, we haven't gotten the big, like Tom and Robbie meet at the diner equivalent

of a diner moment yet, and I'm sure we will in some form or fashion. But in the meantime, Tom and Perry also pretty good foils for each other. Yeah, this is, that's a good prediction. We are definitely getting the Jason, Robbie,

one-on-one something at some point. Oh, Jason Robbie, yeah. Yeah, we're getting the two of them, something with the brother, There will be a show, a monologue showdown, English, but he probably worked on in his log cabin in Colorado or wherever he is. Can I, Bill, can I ask you a Sopranos question? Yeah.

When Robbie is talking about his legacy, right? Mave's like, your legacy is going to be, you know, you're a kidnapper, blah, blah, your kids. And he's like, no, that's not my legacy. That's not my legacy. This is something that, like, we've seen across tons of crime shows. You know, this is something that Walter White thinks about all the time. And this is like such a crime staple of like, what is my legacy?

Or, you know, I don't know if you've heard this show, but there's a show called Game of Thrones where people talk about why we do things for our legacy. Is this a big concern for Tony Soprano as well as this just like a hallmark of that era of prestige television? No, ironically, Tony never talked about legacy and stuff like that. Yeah, no. He was in deep denial about everything about his life. Yeah, he positioned himself as a family man. I'm doing this off for my family.

But it was really a cold blood of murder. But I think that's what Robbie means by a legacy, right? This is for, I got to do this for my kids. But similar to Walter White and Breaking Bad and I don't know about Tony Soprano, but like that Walt is like, I'm doing it for my family. I'm doing it for my family. I'm doing it for my family. And then spoilers for vague spoilers for Breaking Bad at the end,

Walt has to be like, actually I did it because I liked it. And I did it for myself. So is that the kind of person that Robbie is. It's usually the revelation. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, Heat does this too when De Niro's McCauley character is at the restaurant. with everybody and everybody's got somebody except him and he's watching all the couples interact

and then realizes like, oh, the librarian, maybe that could be my person. But he really is just addicted to the action. So when the moment comes when he can get away with her, he's still like, I got to kill Wingrow. I think what happens with all these shows is the guy eventually is addicted more to the action. Then the family and the friendships, all that stuff. They really just care about the action. They can deny it all they want, but that's who they are.

They don't want the regular type life. Like, they don't want the beer in the ball games, you know? No. But I think what's a tribute to this show is, and really attribute to Pelfrey, like, I do believe part of it. I do believe at least that he believes it. And he certainly does seem to be doing a lot for the sake of his kids. And certainly for the sake of this kid,

he has just kind of stumbled upon and now taken custodianship of through kidnapping. Here's the thing that's most compelling to me inside of an episode that I was not my favorite of the three, but still good. Like, that what's going to happen were not the... that interested in at the end of the day because we know what's going to happen, right? He's not making it to Canada. Like, we know things are going bad for Robbie. So then thinking a lot about what Bill said about this poor kid, Sammy, who can't swim,

I'm like, is the question then, like, can Robbie get out of this at least with his, like, humanity intact? Like, even if he doesn't survive, they've gone, they've gone so hard on making us like Robbie. Like, even in that interaction that he has with Ray and Shelley, when, when Ray is talking about, talking about, like, his son having his head up his girlfriend's shirt and he's like, save son for your old man and Robbie, like, wants to vomit. You know, Robbie's like the Robin Hood, the criminal with the heart of gold sort of thing. So, like, but will he be cornered enough and desperate enough that he hurts a kid?

We've watched him gently stroke the faces of his children, like, in so many montages in this show. So that's the thing that I'm worried about is, like, can Robbie, even if he can't survive this? can his humanity survive the pressures that he's going to feel from all sides, you know? I think Joe's a harsh grader on this episode. Your expectations were too high. I don't know.

Well, one and two dits at a high bar. Yeah. I mean, because I thought there was a lot of good stuff in this episode. And we didn't even talk yet about the chase scene and the house. And I guess we got to go backwards, though, because we meet Cliff's drug buddy, Ray, who's OJ crossed with Danny Crawford Like I guess he's a basketball ref But he's also a domestic abuser

And one of the scariest looking Face slash character people We've ever had on one of these shows Like this is just Clearly not anybody who could be anything Other than a bad guy and a criminal Just a walk and curb walk Like I don't I feel bad for him

But like look he's evocative For exactly that reason Yeah Can't he tells them they can't move it to Freas Because there's gonna be too much heat on it They've got to come up with another direction but really, you know, his frazzled wife is listening in the kitchen. Yeah.

And it's a good zag by the show because you're thinking, oh, she's listening. Maybe she's going to go to the cop. She hates this guy. No, they're just going to rob Cliffs House that night. And they have the Scooby-Doo reveal Rob. Yes. After we had this two-cha. Like, who are these two?

And then we pull the mask and it's her. I was surprised. You were? Maybe I'm slipping. I don't know. When I saw the second perp take off, I was like, this is Rec League. stamina. You know?

Like this, this looks like a guy who's been running up and down the court, just ready to whistle baseline to baseline. But also, like, who else could it be?

You know, it would either be like nameless, faceless bikers who we've kind of met or these two. Like, it did seem like this is something they would do turn around

and try to rob Cliff and steal the drugs. At least that Ray would do. Maybe not Shelley, but at least Ray. As two basketball officiados on this podcast, can I ask you,

how would you, rate Alia's jump skills versus Anthony's they both do a jump tackle now I know

jump tackle is a football thing and not a basketball thing but still getting air is part of the thing so how did

how these two leaps rate for you between these two cops I thought DJ Grasanova seemed very athletic yeah

yeah I was impressed by him and Alia like had had that lady turned around and handcuffed in five

seconds. So I thought she was good. Lizzie seems like uncoordinated, frazzled, can, freezes in the moment of action. Like, that's somebody you want to be going into a scary place with as your partner. Yes. Snickerdoodle. Absolutely not.

I do think Grosanova, that almost was more of like a free safety blindside kind of hit. Yeah, that was a football move. Or rugby. He really kind of, you know, took the back alley, came around the whole thing, caught him by surprises. It was an impressive maneuver, though, I have to say. Yeah. Well, this was, this scene had my least favorite.

part of the episode. Ruffalo goes tumbling down the stairs. It was like, oh, boy, just like the wife. Yeah. And then, um, and is obviously a little concussed. And then I'm like, don't, don't do the thing where he sees his way. The specter of the stairs. And it's like, oh, they did it.

That was the one thing I really didn't like in this episode. I just thought it was corny. Yeah. Joe agrees. Yeah. I mean, Joe gave this episode of D-Miles. Absolutely not true. Really down on it.

Well, if you do, okay. So ghost wife on the stairs, not your fave. How do you feel about flashback wife? Well, we knew it was coming because IMD slew Joe called it early. The overqualified flashback actress, so we know we're getting it. That was another thing we learned, by the way. We got to go backwards, even though Ruffalo looks exactly the same as it is eight years, 10 years later, whatever it is.

Minus the beard. Yeah. It's an ageal slender. When we have these domestic flashbacks, I just hope that if, if something terrible happens to me, my wife has the same fuzzy memories of just us in the kitchen laughing and just being in complete love.

I just hope that's how... I just that's how I'm remembered. Just being around the kitchen, making some scrambled eggs, just being in love. That'd be great. It's all any of us can hope for. Just, again, a very fuzzy,

warmly tinted flashback of either that or, like, running on a beach with, like, somehow sheets or capes dangling around us. You know, the full dead dog wife. Dead, dead dog wife. We never have the scene where they're like, where's the remote? I thought you had it.

And just people yelling at each other for no reason. Well, if the Phillies Cup is any indication, that may also be coming. This has been a real mixed bag for Ruffalo over the years. So anyway, I didn't love the visage of the wife. But I didn't mind the flashback scene. We knew it was coming. I have more questions. Yeah.

Like what? Well, so that seemed like 8, 10 years earlier? seven, like how old do you think those kids were that they showed the two adopted kids in the moment? They seem like teenagers, 10 to 13 range. Yeah. Ethan older, right, than Emily? Yeah.

And he's being tried as an adult. So he's at least, he at least has to be 18. She's still like seven, eight years ago. Yeah. Yeah. So he's adopting the kids. The priest is coming in. He's clearly out of whatever he was doing religiously at that point.

And he's somewhere in. But still seemed a little like beating down, but I think Ruffalo maybe could shake who he is now in the, but I just I was just curious by it. About the timeline. Yeah, we should do some math. Yeah.

Something that I want to flag also about Sarah, his other daughter, is that we get the text messages with good old Andy back in Chicago. Andy, read the room. And Andy's like, when can we talk about us? And Sarah's like, 12 of never, please.

Your wife just went home to deal with the sentencing of her mother's killer who's also her brother. And you're like, can you pay some attention to me, please? Not that Sarah needed more motivation to be as frustrated as she was in last week's episode, but if she's dealing with all of this, with her new kid, with all this blah, blah, and a fractured marriage waiting for her back in Chicago on top of it, this is just a lot for Sarah to juggle. So no wonder she's doing a heavy pour.

on the cavernet 7-Yon. Oh, I was going to say, you left out, she's dealing with holding the biggest wine glass of red I've ever seen. I was trying to think, did anyone in big little lies have more wine and a glass? Because that was always the gold standard of just like, it's like a double pour.

In a restaurant, you'd pay twice as much. The Tammy Taylor poor. The Tammy Taylor, the Charterneille, you know? Oh, that's a good one. Or the Circee Lannister pour, you know. It's like, there's really a long lineage of the heavy wine pour up to the brim. But I loved what they did with Sarah last week

In terms of her lashing out at the dinner table I also love her feeling terrible about it And not quite walking it back But explaining a little bit more about What she had seen with her mom And the ways that their lives had sort of Even before anything violent happened Devolved and changed shape

As a result of everything that Ethan was going through And it's like Of course Emily has to walk up at the exact wrong time To hear like the one message she dreads hearing But I thought all of the stuff between Sarah and Tom was really lights out. Joe, maybe that's a spinoff pod for us because you guys created that hook show about like when the right episode to watch to get sucked into a show.

Wine pours. Heavy pour. Like do like episode three, the mom from the OC near the end of episode and the end of season one when all of a sudden the chardonnay was like a fucking trough. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, oh boy, here comes the alcohol plot. I've always enjoyed those though. Yeah.

When all this, there would be some mom or some friend. And once the wine is over like two thirds filled with the giant cabernet, I like when they put the white in the giant cabernet glass, which is a no-no, but it's like they just want to get as much wine as possible on the screen. Just a delivery system. She's a little shrinking red. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I really, I feel, yes, the fact that Sarah is pounding that much red wine is, is an expert level, as far as I'm concerned. And what I just heard was a pitch for next summer, when Prestige TV goes into a lull. We're going to do the heavy poor podcast. The heavy poor bracket. Coming soon to the ringer podcast network. My two passions are wine pourers in a show and terrible sports scenes when it's like the worst possible high school girls soccer scene.

I would watch footage of that all the time. Speaking of this family, we predicted this too. We had a lot of good predictions in episode two. We predicted we would meet the murdering adopted son who's in. in jail and we did the other sister went. I thought this was kind of a blah scene. I don't really know what to take from it. Did you take away anything, Rob?

Sounds like Bill's kind of lukewarm. I don't know. That was my other scene I didn't like. What did you think, Rob? I thought it was fine. I thought Emily. Servisable. You know, we needed to see him at some point.

We see Emily trying her damnedest to be positive in this interaction, basically asking him if he's made any friends as if this were the first week of kindergarten. Yeah. I don't know what else. you can get out of fear other than if it were just like a really standout performance, but I'm guessing Ethan's moments will be later to the extent that we

get them. Like he will have some fireworks at some point, but this is just introducing us to that character. It was fine. He's no basketball ref. No asshole, Ray. Do you think the basketball refs, he must have gotten a fight. He must have gotten a fight.

And that's if traffic's good. Come on. That guy's a basketball Reff clearly scrapping with the players after a call, I would think. Threatening to fight everybody. Yeah, no way. He's like, you think that was the wrong call? Fuck you. Just for Shelly and her two teenage

sons. I hope they are doing okay. Well, one of them is doing okay in the basement in some sense of that word. Absolutely. And then the last thing we learned, the ending when the informant says, Brandon Simons of the Dark Arts was casing Cliff's

house. Later that night post arrest, which means the dark hearts had information coming from Ruffalo's side. How tight is your circle on this? And then he goes, my advice, suspect everyone. Yeah, including you fuckface. You're also a suspect. I thought it was such an interesting, like, flash to all, like he's going through the members of the task force, then flashing to all of them. I'm like, are we, this is my concern. Yeah. My concern is that we are in the state, and I've heard this from people who make television, that the note they get from the network all the time is that you have to reiterate and reiterate

things in case people are looking at their phones or looking at their iPads or whatever while your show is on. So do you think this moment where there's like, well, here they are, it's Aaliyah, Lizzie, Anthony, this is what they look like. Just so you know, these are our suspects. Like, I thought that was a really weird moment inside of this episode. There were three people. Yeah.

We can handle it. I promise. We could do it. I think you made the right call, though. If it is Aaliyah, they're trying to throw us off the scent with the domestic violence a little monologue about her history and be like, oh man, I like this lady and now they're going to swear on us. I thought her delus.

That was a really good monologue. I thought that was really good. This is a question worth asking for a show like this. If you're one of these supporting characters who is maybe more like fifth, sixth, seventh on the bill, how many character traits will a show give you? Are they willing to give you two or even, God forbid, three different character traits? And if so, then you might be the mole. Are you willing to have a whole DJ?

background from college. Okay. With a moniker. Okay. So, well, actually, I think Lizzie wins, right? Because it's DJ is suspiciously absent sometimes. Yep. With Alia, it's the domestic violence background and is better at her job than anyone

else on the task force. Well, and also, IMDB salute Joanna was suspicious of her just because it was an overqualified actress for the part. She's very good. All three of them are good, though. They're good. Lizzie has the cheating ex-husband, all the stuff with the Stadies. and the eye freeze, you know, sort of stuff.

So, like, that's a lot on her plate. I do think if it does end up being Grasso, it does seem like Lizzie will be the one to confront him at that point, based on everything we have set up with her freezing in those moments. And I think not only will she shoot him if it comes to that, it will be because of some advice he gave her coming full circle. I feel like that's a different show. Maybe it is a different show.

I feel you're right. Like, that's a classic movie. but I feel like what Mayor of Easttown taught me was don't think Kevin Peters will be okay because he will not be... Well, again, I think the kids may not all be all right, but somebody's going to have to get a win somewhere. Well, we had three awesome scenes in this.

The first thing with Pelfrey and Mave. Yes. The whole chase not knowing and thinking somebody might get shot, I enjoyed that. And then them basically eking out the convention from our basketball ref and his embattled wife. I liked how they went back and forth on that. And then the best part, obviously,

was that he had an incredible Flyers iPhone protector. Huge sports fan, this guy. Completely. But I thought that whole, the way they kind of played them against off of each other, I thought was really good. And then Ruffalo screws him over at the end.

And it's like, no, no, you're actually still going in jail. Fuck you, dude. I have a question for Rob, who is, I think, of the three of us, the biggest foodie on this podcast. Is it a red flag or a green flag that Lizzie likes the peach rings with the Taheen? Like, how do you feel about that? This is the greenest flag thing she's done on the show. Okay.

Yeah. Everything else she does worries me about just the state of her life. Yeah. Peach rings A plus. Peach rings with Tahin, come on. That sounds incredible. I honestly, I've never had one with Dehine, but now I would love the shipment to arrive at my door. Okay.

The other thing we learned, I forgot to much. mentioned this was Ruffalo's character made the decision I don't want my son to live here. Yeah. And sadly, his really screwed up

younger daughter heard this because she was parking her bike. But so we've, we've gone from episode two to episode three of like, he's like, I finally arrived at this point. I don't want this guy in my house.

He killed my wife. Here's, here's my note. If you're a spiraling shit show alcoholic but want to be a good dad, if you have a covered porch, I would say

don't have key conversations there. It's a great note. Don't snooze your booze off there. I would use some closed doors for any of these things. Our guy is not only a total mess. He has just suffered a major concussion

and done the one thing that they said do not do, which is look, the Phillies Cup does refill itself. He's just going to guzzle it down. It's the way it's going to go. But he's not in the clear state of mind at this particular moment. Yeah. This instance, I could maybe forgive him, but like all the other booze naps he's taken on that porch while he's bird watching that his daughter has to witness. I don't know. I also think, look, as far as the accents on the show go.

Oh, I had this. Yeah, let's do it. There's a lot of stuff happening. Some I appreciate some I don't. I think water ice obviously gets a lot of play anytime the Philly and the Delco accents are coming in. I just want to give a little bit of a salute. A lot of doorder in this episode, a lot of forther of a daughter. and I'm enjoying it all. I'm enjoying the full range of accent emotion. Who do you think is the best accent of anyone on the show right now? Just one pick. I mean, Ruffalo's isn't precise.

And so it's hard to say that his is like nailing it because the degree of difficulty just isn't as high. I actually like Lizzie's. Yeah, I was going to say Lizzie. I think it's Lizzie or Maeve. I think Mayve is really good. Maeve is really good. Because Pennsylvania, you do that instead of home,

you go him. Like you're... Lizzie, that actress is Irish and the actress who plays Mave is English. So I think this is all interesting. Don't ruin this for us, Jay. Jesus. No, no, I just think they're doing a great job. We have no American actors.

You've made the point. We're aware. We have no American actors under 40 except Chalema. He's their only one. Just Ruffalo of Hellfrey out here holding it down. And Austin Butler. He's from America, right? Yeah, yeah.

He is from America. Yeah. That's awesome. I'm glad he's from here. He's from somewhere. You know, is it America? today it is. We'll see you a couple weeks from now. And Margaret Quali. I'm pretty sure she's from here. We love Margaret Quali. Yeah, thank God. Quote of the episode, Maeve saying to Sam,

when you get older, you get to choose what you take from your parents and what you leave behind. Really would be like a searing high school yearbook quote. That is like a direct repudiation of your parents if that's your yearbook quote. I really liked that scene with Maeve and Sam in the water. was, again, perturbed by the beautiful image of her hand holding him up and wondering if later we're going to see a hand holding him down. What do we have for the odds of Sam making it? I said it was over under six and a half episodes and Joe recoiled in horror.

Rob kind of enjoyed it. Okay. I think the under is moved up to like almost two to one, two to one favorite. I don't think he makes it to the end of the season. I'm hoping, I'm protecting Sam. Sam has to make it. Someone has to protect him. But I feel like someone's going to try.

See, I'm less worried about this. Someone's going to hold him under the water, Joe. And more, are we going to see someone pulling his body out of the quarry in a similar sort of lifting fashion? It's looking more and more dangerous for, I mean, for him, obviously, for most of these characters who are in Robbie's orbit, I'm perpetually worried for Mave, the character who I, I want as a watcher of a TV show to help Robbie and to be the... involved in this family, but so clearly needs to get the fuck out of there to Canada or literally

anywhere else, but just won't do it. In terms of survival, though, isn't Cliff the person who has the loudest ticking clock on him right now? Is it Cliff or is it Diff Moward? You know, he can go undercover at any moment. That's true. Yeah, if we're going, who's going to die rankings, Cliff is probably the favorite. I think Sam, but it probably comes later in this season.

We're going to lose somebody from the biker gang in the next two episodes. And then I think one of the three in the task force underneath Ruffalo, I think... I would not be surprised. One of those three is dying. And it's probably Lizzie from a freeze. And if I had to make a prediction, which I'm happy to do right now, I think there's going to be some breadcrumbs pointing to her. We're going to think it's her. But it turns out she's just really fucked up, has some skeleton.

and then even as everyone's doubting at her, doubting her, maybe she gets killed. And then it turns out she actually was a good person all along. It's one of those. Yeah. And then Tom is like, I feel so guilty for having suspected her.

I'm now going to become even more of an alcohol. Like how much further down can you go for Tom? I don't know. That last wine pour he had wasn't even a pour. It was like... A glug. Yeah, it was like when you're pouring out something after a party where you're just like,

I want to pour this in the sink, but it was going into a glass. It was a sink pour. Trash can punch, but straight into the Phillies Cup. Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's time.

Predictions. Rob, what do you got? Biggest prediction for episode four. We've already made like four predictions, though. Is there any left? Who else have we not talked about? I feel like we've covered predictions for almost every major character.

I have a question about bartender whose name I did know and then forgot to. Sorry, it's lady bartender, Joe. Lady bartender. She bartender did seem like she had some info. And some concealing things about her. I think... Bartend her. I think she knows that it's Aaron or suspects that it's Aaron.

Yeah. And deflected guilt over onto Ginger Beard, Rob's favorite red herring, ginger beer. Right? She's like, oh, you need info. That guy's... His wife says he's been acting funky. And she's going to protect Aaron as long as she can. That's what I think is going on.

What did Ginger Beard do to deserve this? Be a ginger, I guess. Yeah, he's a little jittery. You know, it's okay. Doesn't mean a guy is like betraying your whole gang and way of life. But that dude's going to get killed or at least beat up. That dude. Okay, you know what?

My death rankings are number one with a bullet ginger beard done. Yeah. Do you have a prediction that we haven't done yet, Joe? Other than that bartender thing, I don't think so. How about this for predictions? What do we think Emily will do? Like, do we ultimately think she will stand up? up for her brother? Do we think that there's any other way for her to go in terms of her testimony

at the upcoming hearing? Which could be episode four, by the way. Presumably, yeah. That could be our fourth is that whole thing. Do you think there's a way that she doesn't do it, but Ruffalo does do it? Like, Ruffalo has a change of heart and he does it because he figures out a way to it. Oh, yeah? Monologue Watch? Big time monologue watch. I would say especially post-flashback where we get the conversation with him and his wife about like everything you do is like based on a feeling, right? It's like, based on vibes in this moment. Something is going to happen.

Even if it's just like, even if it's just a little sun steppling through some, some tall grass in the four, you know, like a little moment for Ruffalo out in the world where he's like, you know what?

I am feeling the connectedness of the universe. I am feeling this empathy for my son in a way that I haven't before. I'm queued up for the Emmy monologue. So that's courtroom. I wasn't going to be here today. I didn't want to be here today.

Maybe half drunk, honestly. Right. And we get the wide, wide shot of everyone in the courtroom with the crane coming down. Can you? Verdict style. Can you bring your Phillies cup up to the stand with you if you're in a courtroom? Is that allowed?

I'll allow it. Okay. Thanks. Judge Mahoney. Thanks. This is a part prediction and a part nipick for me. Not enough sports yet on this show. We've really had the Phillies cover.

No, but I think we, what I really want, what time of year do we think this is? Well, we can swim in the fall. I think it's summer. You think it's like late August? For spring maybe. Spring into summer. So the Sixers are out of the playoffs by then. We might have the flyers.

They've already shut down Maxie. Everyone is a lot stickier than they, you know. So August, I just feel like the, I feel like the Phillies would just be on all the time in wherever we are. I just think it would be a constant of just a din of Phillies broadcasts. PrestiGTV has sponsored. Spotify.com, if you can identify what season we're in based on the birds that Tom is watching. If you're a birder and you're listening and you know what season we're in, let us know. Also, we should say alternatively, you can email us at DJgrasanova at gmail.com.

Not to be confused with DJgrasinopussy at gmail.com. That is the one. That one was taken. Right. It's a very competitive market for that one. Still bummed out about that. So, but the other two kids for Robbie, we're not taking them to and from school, which makes me think maybe summer. No, they are because there's the father-daughter dance. Yeah.

And they came home from school. Yeah, so they're in school. Oh, you're right. So we're September-October range, which means the Eagles need to be involved in the show, Rob. This is that whole area of Pennsylvania is just Eagles, Eagles, Eagles. Maybe there's a couple Steelers fans, too. It's a little, you know, he roots for the Steelers, even though we're in Eagles country. Like, I just didn't look.

Give me a little sports. What if that was the actual reason for, like, the Dominican rift with the bikers? This is like, that's Eagles country. out there. You guys are walking around with your Eagle Starter jackets. Like, they get you in a way that they don't get me.

So my prediction for this episode, for fourth episode would be the, I think we get the courtroom, and I think Ruffalo actually shows up has a change of heart. And I think this would be one of his Emmys, Emmy's monologues we're going to be getting. Okay.

I think definitely we're getting an Emmy monologue whether or not it happens in court or no. I feel like we need a few, we're only on episode three of seven. I think we need a couple more episodes for him to change his mind about whether or not he would say something. Do you know?

You don't think they're just going to bang out this courtroom, the whole thing? They're not going to get rid of it? I don't know. It feels like a classic middle of this season thing. It could be the kind of thing where it's like it's coming soon, but the whole season takes place over, like it's only been 72 hours since Sam disappeared. Like the whole season could be a week. The father-daughter dance on Thursday.

Sorry, it's the fourth-daughter dance. Does the kid come home and he's in the house and nobody really wants him there, but ends up being the savior in episode 7? Oh, wow. Throws Biker Jason down the stairs. Wow. If he murders the right person with a stair throw. Okay.

Yeah, he finally got this right. Prediction, we're going to get four deaths by death by stair this season. A lot of stairs. It's really the only way to go. The stairs were. All right. I think that that's all I have unless the two of you have anything else. I have one last question.

How do we feel we get an official name coining for Robbie and company, the Halloween gang or Halloween crew? Right. How do we feel about that? I mean, obviously it fits the masks, but is that cool? I didn't love it. I think it's kind of cool. I think it's kind of cool only because their masks are good. Do you know what I mean?

Like, it's this spooky Halloween crew. Maybe they can get rebranded to the spooky Halloween crew. I forgot to mention the video of that huge fight from 2017 in Reading. Yeah. Seemed pretty elaborate, and it feels like that's a possible. flashback scene. There's 30 people fighting. Incredibly high deaf. 4K.

Yeah. So I wonder if we're going backwards with that, too, to take a look at what actually happened there and maybe. Yeah. We better enhance that. Yeah. In hands and hands. Oh, it's Billy.

We recognize him from all the photos that we've been looking at. Yeah. I got not confused, but it's obviously Redding Pennsylvania, but there's a Reading up here in Northern California that like could easily have a biker bar shoot out as well. Like, Redding California? Oh, Redding, Pennsylvania. Okay.

One of the thing I like about where we are right now is we didn't even get any mention this week of like the Mave connection that would tie her and Robbie together. And then the following up on that from the task force based on her suddenly appearing last week around Sam's supposed reappearance. Like, there are so many different threads the task force is supposed to be chasing. And we get that line this week that there's been like all these tip calls. They're trying to sift through. It's like they have more information than they know what to do with yet. And so they have kind of all the answers.

They just don't know how they connect to each other at all. Mr. Policeman, we gave you all the clues. Give all the clues. No, but they did get a Maeve threat this week, right? Because the guy who Bill thinks is the mole comes by and is like the name of the guy who got beat up was Billy. And they're like, okay, let's chase the Billy line down. Then Ruffalo's going to see Mave. And he's going to be like, wait a second.

I saw you before. Like the Chucky cheese or whatever. Through my vodka haze, I seem to recall. See you knew before. Yeah, I don't know if he's the mole. I'm just suspicious. He's weird. There's no question.

He's the guy, forget, like, ginger beard guy. This is the most jittery, unpredictable force on this show. That guy, I really don't trust anything, he says. Yeah, what's like his job? A professional mole. Does he have an office? Does he have, like, an assistant? Maybe he's internal affairs?

Maybe, I don't know what he is. No, but he's talking about. everything involved in the gang. He must just be like a detective of some kind. Yeah, I think he like works with Anthony. They talked about him in an earlier episode. I just didn't write it all down and so I don't have the answers for you right now. But like I also think that actor is interesting in terms of like he's not, he almost seems like not a professional actor. Like they got a guy. A guy. But interesting. All right. This is produced by a guy gradie, Justin Sales Prestige TV. You can watch this as a video podcast on Spotify or you can watch it on our Ringer TV

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