The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘Ted Lasso’ S2E10 Recap

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

The Greyhound Gang assemble once again to review what may be one of the greatest episodes of the show: “No Weddings and a Funeral.” Chris and Van talk about what made the entry so successful, the various plot threads being woven through the tapestry of this sophomore season, and how they personally related to the show’s depiction of losing one’s father. Hosts: Chris Ryan and Van Lathan Producer: Isaac Lee Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Exclusion supplies to home depot.com slash price match for details. Hello and welcome to the Ringer Prestige TV pot. I'm Chris Ryan. I am joined by Van Lathen. We are the Greyhound Gang, and we are here to talk to you about No Weddings in a Funeral, the 10th episode of the second season of Ted Lassow. Van, what's going on, man?

Woof-Woof. Woof, babe, how are you? I'm into this. I'm glad because a lot of the season two haters are starting to eat a little crow. Yeah? You think so? Yeah, I definitely do.

The worm is turning for Ted's season two? I think it definitely is. I think this is another incredibly strong episode that dealt with a lot of different storylines in a very coherent, loving, with a loving touch. And it really, to me, highlights some of what's the best about the show.

Okay, great. Well, we're going to get into it. I think you could probably just if easily is called this episode, Children of Men. What did you make of what was at once like one of the heaviest episodes of the series, but one that was not without

its like cheesy moments of levity? I think that's kind of what Ted Lasso is. I think this is one of the episodes that's sort of emblematic of what the show tries to do. It tries to wrap you up in what life actually is. And as we know, life can be a bunch of bullshit sometimes. But it tries to give you a blueprint on how to like wrap that bullshit up in a brioche bun to make it a little easier to eat.

You know what I mean? And so you're dealing with a lot of heavy things. You're dealing with death. two different characters come into terms with death. Ted coming to terms with a death that is decades old. Rebecca dealing with a death that's very, very fresh. And so when you're looking at this, you're trying to figure out, okay, well, in the midst of death,

how do you still live life? What's there for you to glom on to? I thought one of the most beautiful things was sort of what happened between Rebecca and her mom because part of them was dead. There was a part that they had ceased to exist. They weren't talking about it. there was the space between them that felt like eternity.

And at the end, by living it, by going through the pain of it, by getting through it, you know, the only way around is through, he got to a point to where they could like get rig rolled together at the end of the episode. And I think that's what Ted Lassow is trying to do. Even down to Danny, Danny's uncomfortable the entire episode and they keep going back to that. And I think that's genius because some of these things are uncomfortable. Sometimes your shoes are too tight.

you know, but your shoes have to be too tight in order for you to get relief when you put on the fuzzy slippers. So I really was inspired by it. Yeah, I mean, I think that the never going to give you up stuff was kind of this series in a nutshell. And you reference people coming and going

with this second season and whether there had been a little bit of a, you know, a blowback to it. It's like you either are there for it or you're not. Never going to give you up sung at a funeral either breaks through your kind of defense mechanism or, you're not. it doesn't. And if it doesn't, then that's totally fine. If you're like, I just can't,

I just can't believe that this would happen or this is too corny or this is too trite or whatever. I think that's okay. For me, it works. I think it works because the writing is actually pretty high level here and it's thematically really coherent and it actually is pretty thought provoking while also being very entertaining, which I think when TV can do that, it's at its best. So, like, Sudakis has casually tossed off a couple of times that he saw this second season of Ted Lasso as its Empire Strikes Back season, which, you know, you could read in a bunch of different ways. You could be like, is that, is that mean it's going to be a really dark season before the dawn? But if you think about Empire Strikes Back about, is essentially about a kid coming to terms with who his father is, that's what's happening in this season for a couple of different people. I think, like you mentioned, it's happening for Ted and he recounts his father's suicide in this episode.

It happens for Rebecca, who just did. with her father's recent passing. And in some ways, like, Rupert's reappearance, you know, and he's trying to be like, I'm absolved from all past trespasses because I have a kid now, because I'm a father now. So I have a father, so I have perspective now. So do I get a pass?

And then obviously, even though it's like kind of the fifth or sixth subplot in this episode, is the Nate stuff is still kind of brewing under the surface. Yeah. And Nate is obviously somebody who's his place in this story is largely triggered by or propelled by or it's created by his complicated relationship with his father who's not dead, but is still like the sort of shaping who he is.

It's interesting. So we watch all these movies and you watch all these movies and like if somebody dies and somebody gets up there and they give a speech and they have the right words to say. Or they didn't know that they could say the right words, right? They were scared.

But then when they got up there, miraculously inspiration hit them and they push through whatever sort of barriers were there and they say exactly what needed to be said in my opinion that is as unrealistic and as fantastical as singing never going to give you up at a funeral

it's the same thing I recently had to give one of those speeches and you know what I did I told a story and the reason why I told the story is because I just wasn't ready to contextualize my father's entire life. So I just told a story of him and I's relationship and got some chuckles and got some laughs. I got up there and I just escaped. I pulled that old Van Lathen, Houdini, Presidigitation.

I'm out. You know, here's the charm. Look at it. I'm out the back door. And so when I saw the scene, I was like, yo, that to me, it felt real. Right. It felt like, hey, look, I would never start singing because that's not my thing. But singing is her thing. Telling stories is mine. So for me, I didn't have so much of an issue with that.

It's interesting what you say about fatherhood, about the Empire Strikes Back, because all of these things are essentially about loose ends. And some loose ends, like, they get to be so frazzled that we hang ourselves with the loose ends. Like, think about it. In Empire, not telling the kid that his dad is the most evil motherfucker in the universe, that's a pretty big loose end. Yeah. And just to stay there for a second,

I think Luke handled it pretty well. Sure. Like, he freaked out for one second. No, that's not true. And then beyond that, he was pretty good. I'd have been like, hey, O'B, I know you can hear me. I need a week and a half because that's a lot. And so watching the episode, even between Jamie and Keely,

like that's a huge loose end. It's a huge loose in that they were in that relationship for a long time. He was such a dick to her. he leaves, he comes back, he's a nice guy, but they never in any way have any sort of, well, hey, I wish you would have been this sort of nice guy when I was around, you know what I mean? So when I view the episode through that lens,

I think it was probably one of the most important ones in the history of the show, because we're finally getting to a place to where we're getting off of some of the storylines that have been established and moving on to how these characters are going to be. That's why I think the Nate thing is going to be so, intriguing to watch because after all the dust settles from all of this other stuff, and of course you still have Sam and Rebecca and what's going to happen there,

Nate might rise up to be your new Darth Vader. That might be the thing that threatens to pull the greyhounds apart in the next couple of shows. Yeah, I mean, I think in the first time we chatted, we talked about how there was maybe a lack of, or at least there had been less attention paid to the fortunes of Richmond, which, you know, as somebody who watches a lot of English soccer, like I know that teams in that division and around that, like it's pretty precarious.

Like if you are doing poorly in that division, like, the whole franchise can actually like collapse if you get relegated out of the championship, which is where Richmond is supposed to be playing in the season. So the last sort of few moments of this show before Rebecca and her mom go back and watch the video is like we do see Rupert come over to Nate and it's out of earshot so Rebecca can't hear what they're saying.

But after Rupert's like, take my share. as he goes up to Nate and says something, and it's like kind of obviously, I think we're supposed to take, like, Rupert's not being on the level. He's not being as gregarious as he's pretending to be, and that Nate might have something to do

with his future plans for the football club. So that is, like, in the background. But we can keep with the stuff that's in the foreground. I like what you're saying about the funeral. I mean, my dad passed away 10 years ago this fall, so I also did a speech. I kind of remember what I said. I mean, I'm sure if I asked my mom,

I'd be like, well, what exactly did I say? Like that entire time, I was just having an out-of-body experience. You're just like... It's nuts. Yeah. You're just like, oh, I'm watching a movie about what would happen if my dad died. Yeah. And you're like, and I'm the character walking around and I'm finding a suit and I'm writing something down on an index card.

And I'm standing up in front of all these people and saying stuff. And a lot of what this season has kind of been about to me has been about these characters who are very like... I wouldn't say that... We talked about this caricature versus character thing, but Ted Lerner. Lassow is a cartoon character, from the mustache to the sneakers to the effervescent attitude. So to watch him having a panic attack and then pretty, in pretty grisly detail, discuss his father's death is like basically being like, I can't always perform as Ted Lassow. Or if you don't know, but like there's actually a lot more to me here than the person who's

just in the locker room or the person who's just bringing you biscuits every day. And I thought that that was pretty effective, this scene. I also really loved how they cut back and forth between. Ted's reminiscence and Rebecca's reminiscence because they're not the same thing. Ted's father's death and Rebecca's father's infidelity are not necessarily the same thing. But it just kind of was illustrative of

your personal pain is your personal pain. And it shapes you the way it shapes you. And you don't really have any control over that. And once you get away from the bullshit, nobody really has anything to say about how you should feel about something. You know what I mean? Like if Rebecca was traumatized by her father's infidelity,

it's going to have lifelong effects just the same way Ted's father's passing did for his. Absolutely. And I always wondered why Ted is the way that he is. And we finally got the explanation in this episode. He has to be that way. Like he's not going to quit on anyone because that's what his dad did. Yeah.

And Rebecca doesn't really want to let people get super duper close to her because she witnessed what her father did. And then it happened to her. So think about, what she's gone through and like what she is and who she is. And maybe some of the reasons why, obviously it would hurt to have a spouse do something like that to you. But think about how doubly it must have hurt for her,

watching this happen, knowing that her father had put her mother through the same thing. And then, you know, the conversation with her mother where the mother who made the dad a three-dimensional character like from the grave she goes hey yeah I loved him and he always came back

yeah and you know there's a binary way that we want to view these things emotionally and intellectually in the world but people are complex and I think that you know what I mean like people like people are complex it's weird it's different it is what it is and the way children view the world

that has to die for you to move on and so I think it was a lot about change in that way. And that one scene that you mentioned when it's going back to her and going back to Ted when it's intercut, I'm looking at them as two kids. They did a great job of putting me

in whatever spot she was when that happened to her and whatever spot he was when that happened to him. I started actually viewing them as kids living that moment. And once again, all you wanted in any show, I remember leaving Man of Steel movie. It's directed by Zach Snyder. Star Henry Cavill.

So is it the Snyder cut of Man of Steel or is it just the actual... It's just the regular cut. This is before... This is pre-Snyder cut nonsense here. I remember in the movie, and, you know, Superman Returns was such a fucking soap opera take on Superman

and we just wanted Superman to kick somebody's ass. And then Zach Snyder did something different. Zach Snyder said, I have Superman kick everybody's ass Even people whose ass They didn't know we're gonna get kicked Buildings falling on human being Superman doesn't care

He cares about General Azad I remember leaving thinking I was fun to watch But I don't fucking care What happens to that Superman Right Right They killed the guy the next movie

And I was like alright Well that seemed abrupt You know what I mean And so that drove home The fact that the only The only thing that matters and these things is if you care. And I couldn't care more about two people in the scene than I did about Ted and Rebecca.

I cared so deeply. I cared about the memory that she was having. I cared about the way she was relating that memory to her mother. When her mother looked at her and said, hey, I'll take your hate over your apathy or over your indifference any day. That's so real. Mom just want to feel. My mom will call me up and be like, son, remember what happened in 19? I'm like, I don't want to talk about that.

She just wants to make sure that I'm good. She just wants to have a moment with me where I get my emotions out to her. Yeah. And that's just real. And the show is, I don't know if any show has dealt with feelings better in a long time than this one. I think it's the package it puts it in. It's a strangely confrontational show for an era when there are a lot of confrontational TV shows. Like you would say, like, oh, I can name 10 off the top of my head that are a little bit more like going into it.

into scenes from a marriage. And you're like, man, these are going to be some scenes from a marriage and I bet they're not going to be happy. But they're going to be fighting. You could tell.

They're going to betray one another. They're going to get, like, all of it is just going to be spilling their spleen on the table. You would not expect that from Ted Lassow. You would not expect it from the commercials. You would not expect it. Really from the first season,

which has, it's more or less a sports movie with these incredibly tender moments sprinkled through. This season has been like, sports is kind of besides the point. In a weird way, I feel like Rebecca has become,

Ted in terms of she's got this kind of group around her that rely on her and that love her and that she loves. She's got her own little diamond dogs. Yeah, she does have her own little diamond dogs without any of the internecine fighting that the diamond dogs seem to have. Yeah. We're like, Nate is like

I always got to be different and I always got to say something a little bit extra. And also like I think I'm probably more qualified for this job than Ted. And he may be right. He may be right. But he certainly is more qualified. Right. He's a better soccer. or mine for sure, or football.

Excuse me guys. Well, he wasn't hired to crater the team, which Ted was. Right, right. But, you know, with all of the joky one-liners and the kind of the bits it does and and Rick Astley and all this stuff and the references to different rom-coms, it still is pretty just like that Ted speech. I mean, you talked about the Rebecca one. I thought Sudakis was great in that scene.

I thought he had obviously been building up to doing that scene. It's probably the hardest scene he's ever done as an actor. And I thought he was really, really, really effective. about it. Was there anything else you wanted to say about the funerals, the loss, the father stuff before we get into some of the other more rom-com elements or at least like the romantic relationship stuff that was happening under the service? No, not really. But I just, I did want to say that like

Ted has never really shown us rage. I'm trying to think. He's shown great discomfort and he's been a little short, but he's never really shown us rage. rage. The closest thing we got to rage from Ted, the closest thing that we might ever get came out during his conversation with Doc.

Yeah. He's angry. He's angry. He's still angry for the experiences with his dad that he lost. He's still angry. About his divorce. About his divorce. Like, he's angry. He's angry. He's doing his best. Oh, yeah, Isaac just popped in. He was kind of angry with Jamie

mid-season one. True. He was kind of angry with Jamie Midse's one. But when I'm looking at this, I'm looking at him really start to kind of wonder if the Ted Lassow thing is working. He's doing his best to be kind. He's doing his best to be sunny. His wife left him.

His dad killed himself. At some point he goes, is it me? And let's be honest. He's a lonely dude. Like, he's got beard. Nate probably wants his job. Roy could probably do his job if he wanted to do it.

You know, like he is only so many months removed from Rebecca trying to get him fired. Right. So yeah. I mean, and, you know, Isaac, you mentioned the Jamie stuff.

That scene is much different in season two than it is in season one. In season one, he does the Iverson speech. It's kind of like a great Easter egg if you're a sports fan. It's like this amazing moment where you're like, oh, you've re contextualized this thing that Alan Iverson said 20 years ago and made it into like this thing that's basically about team building,

you know, rather than a guy being an individual, though there's a lot of contacts to the Iverson thing. but it's like I had a lot of context the season two oh here it comes here comes the Philly

look look there's just a lot of concerns to the fucking Ivers okay I got it oh that was so great

guys I love I love just hey just you guys obviously got a raw deal but here I go I love that

go ahead I'm just saying Jamie Ted confrontation season two Ted Lasso is a much different animal. It's a lot more raw. It's a lot more pointed. People might lose their tempers. So I'll just leave it at that.

We could just talk briefly because I thought that this episode still had a lot going on. Obviously, the Keely, Roy Jamie triangle, I thought was very well done in the sense that Jamie comes up is like, I want to be the best person of version of myself.

It obviously makes like an impact on Keely. She like literally turns around and Roy is like, I am the best version of myself. Like here, it would have been interesting if Jamie had said that and then Roy had come up and still been a dick, but instead he's just like, hey, he was being the whole episode. It would have given her an out. But they didn't.

They didn't do that. So I think that's effective. That's good storytelling. That'll keep us like kind of like on our toes. I'm still not sure. You know, it's one of those things where it's like, if this is just a three season show, that's one thing. I feel like the Roy Keeley, Will they, won't they got answered so early on. It's a little Pam Jim where you're just like, so these people are just going to be together.

and just be together for the entire series, they obviously will probably have some troubles. I'm glad about that, by the way. Yeah? I don't fuck with that moonlighting shit. I don't dig four seasons of, or whatever it was, two seasons, three seasons of,

are they going to do it? Get to it. Show me how these people fall in love. Yeah. It always bugs me out. Like, you know how Mulder and Scully never quite got it together and you kept waiting to like,

oh, I'm like, yo, man, fucking do it, dog. Like, you only live once. You guys know the aliens are coming. coming. Like, why are you waiting on? Like, you know it's all fucking, we fucking polishing the brass and the Titanic, it's all going down.

Why don't you just fucking go ahead and get to it? Or the cigarette smoking man going to fuck, anyway. But yeah, so I like that they did that. But I also liked that they inserted a little strife and a little, you know, into their relationship. And on the flip of that, I guess Rebecca and Sam is like an example of like, you guys had something, but now Rebecca is like, I need to go find out who I am and why I don't trust people.

And Sam is just basically like, cool, I'll wait or whatever. And I thought that that made sense. I do think that those two performers have a lot of chemistry. I do think that that was like an interesting kind of like you find love in the weirdest places kind of situation. But I noted with interest that it was like they gave Ted Sassy and Rebecca. I for some reason feel like there is still a Ted Rebecca relationship to have somewhere in here. But maybe it'll just remain, they just remain friends and colleagues. I don't know.

Yeah. I was a little disappointed. and the Rebecca Sam thing just because I like Sam so much that I wanted to see more brought out with Sam's character. I wanted to see Sam deal with because Sam is like a mini-ted.

I wanted to see their relationship under the in the crosshairs of the British tabloid media and I wanted to see all of that stuff. Trent Crim questioning Rebecca about that, yeah. Questioning Rebecca, I want to see that whole thing but I think the show

it was a good decision probably creatively to pause on that a little. a bit because you got some stuff that's coming down the pike and that might have been doing a lot storytelling by having the their deal because once that does go I can't think I was trying to think is there do we have ever situation where the owner of a team has dated a player no right no right because they're normally all you know what I mean so like not until we read the next Jeff Perlman book I don't think that's happened right so that's like a big that's a big huge development and so it's going to be a B Hughes development on the show. So I get why they wanted to give a little bit more

oxygen to everybody before they jumped hair first into it. I did, however, love Rebecca's Diamond Dog meeting about Sam. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. I loved the Diamond Dog meeting about Sam when everybody's around in there and her mom is there and, you know, her best friend is there, best friend's daughter's there and they're all talking about it. I just thought that was an amazing scene. you're in there. Girls will be girls. They're having a fun time. And they're doing exactly what my guys did for me

at my dad's funeral. Just keep it like, try to keep you laughing. Yeah. I'm in my dad's funeral. And one of my homeboys goes, Van, I'm aware at the repass. He goes,

I'm so proud of everything you're doing out there. But you're going to, you still should have made those free throws against this piece of session. And I'm like, are you going to bring that up now?

It's like, yeah, bro. One of two. If you'd have made both of them, we'd have won that. game for sure. But then they came back down and they hit her three. He's like, basically, you like Derek Rose. I'm like, what? He's like, remember that happened to Derek Rose and the Mario Chambas hit the three? And then we're all, we get to talking about that before you know it's three hours later. Yeah. And I, for one minute, forgotten that my father passed away.

Sure. And it's the same exact thing, whether they were trying to do it or not trying to do. And I thought it was very, very touching and realistic as far as what your friends try to do, you know? Yeah, they try to keep it like, I remember this. I mean, I don't remember. plenty of things from that weekend, but I do remember driving home to New York where I lived and like we listened. I remember listening to an ASAP mob mixtape. This is like my friends, Sean Fennacy was one of them, was talking about rap for like two hours instead of talking about my dad, which like got my mind off of it, kept it a little bit later. That's what you and Sean do? Yeah, we talked about ASAP FERC. You and Sean sit around. Boy, I want to know so much more about

you guys. You know, like, it's so, like, I keep, I always harp on this, but Sean wrote for vibe. Yeah. So that's just so interesting to me. I just think about Sean sitting down at his desk like, yo.

We were like the Mike Wallace and Morley Safer of rap. We were just out there, just getting stories, shoe leather, journalism. I was thinking Sean writing something. And just to let you know, Gucci Man is coming back hard with his latest. That's not how Sean wrote.

I know, I know. I know. That's not how you run at all. I've read this shit. He's obviously fantastic. But it's just, so I'm thinking about you guys, like, driving. That's a movie scene. Listening to the ASAP mod.

ASAP. All right, never mind. Any other observations on no weddings at a funeral before we take off? Nah, man. I, like everyone else, thought Rick Astley was black. I'm still not sure if it's, well, not. not before this episode. I knew,

but back in the day when I used to hear the song, of course, I thought it was black. Still not sure if that's actually his voice coming out of that body. Can't see it happening. We did a lot of weird stuff in the 80s, you know?

Like, it may not have been. Like, it could have been like an early Mac computer program. Could have been. Could have been. But no, I thought that the real takeaway from this episode is number one.

We care about these characters. We care about what they go through. We care about their relationships one another. We want to see them heal, which means we got a great show. and a transiting show. And number two,

I think this is going to end up being a wire season two type of season two for Ted Lassow. Interesting. What makes you say that? Because I was just like everybody else. Season two of the wire comes out. I'm like, there's one too many Chris Ryan's and Sean Finnessy's on this show.

That's right. Me and Ziggy talking about ASAP mob down by the Baltimore dogs. You and Ziggy talking about the ASAP mob, right? And like it was one too many of these And I'm like, this is just not what the show was last season Yeah And because the show made a little bit of a tonal shift I didn't appreciate the show for what it was

And I learned a lesson from that And I never recreated that right A show changes Change with the show Rock with it Rock with what the characters are going through And like appreciate it for what it is And now I go back and I got to be honest with you

Season 2 of The Wire It's not just good It's really great Yeah, because you see from 10,000 feet how it fits in with the rest of the show. Absolutely. You got also understand when season two of the wire dropped, it's not like we were online the way we are now

where people were like, just so you know, here's how it's going to work and the patchwork of the series. It was like they might not do a season three of the wire. So season one would be what it was and season two would be what it was. And then like the wire was always on the verge of getting canceled until like season four.

So it was like people were pretty nervous. Yeah, like where are the guys that you just made us love and stuff and like where is all that? So anyway so I look at that season is kind of this and it's picking up steam, it's getting stronger and I think the last two

episodes of Ted Lasso, to me I went back and rewatch the entire second season and it's just good TV. Yeah, I think people have had a hard time watching it week to week after binging the first season. And I think this will be a show that if you took a couple weeks off or took the season off and then watch this

in a weekend, it's going to feel a lot different than when you're like, okay, so that episode was just beard at night on the streets. Okay. And now I have to wait a week to see another episode. It's a different experience for sure. I think that the end of this season is going to get pretty dark. I just think that they are heading for a pretty gnarly. If Nate was going to be like all fixed, it would have happened three episodes ago. Yeah, you're right. So they are still letting that linger and they are still letting that kind of percolate. And I thought that the Rupert thing was pretty ominous. It's Also a question about whether or not, like, this is a three-season show or not.

It's always been conceived as a three-season show. I think they always looked at it as, like, the UK office or as the aforementioned original Star Wars trilogy or whatever, like beginning, a middle and an end. If this thing is such a juggernaut that they got to do four or five seasons, they feel like they want to keep doing it, then they may adjust how things are going. But technically, I thought what was going to happen was they were going to get relegated. They were going to come back up, and then they were going to win the Premier League like Lester, and it was going to be the Cinderella story.

I don't know if that's going to be the case anymore. I don't know. It's one of the biggest shows on TV. I don't know if they're just going to wrap it up next season. They won't. Last thing I'll say is this. They won't. It's all business.

And I'm not even talking about business just because they got a hit show. This show opened up. It broke Apple for me. I told you. I wasn't watching anything on Apple. I'm not going to fucking watch C. That's coming here, Collegals watching C. You know, Jason Memorial and these blindies kicking people's asses.

I'm like, I've seen Blind Fury. Like, I don't like, you know what I mean? I've seen Rucker Howard did it. but I don't need to go back and do it again. And so, but now I'm watching Ted Lassow, and it's just, it's so weird how easy I am to make me loyal to a brand. I'm like, oh, what else is on Apple? Yeah, right.

And now you're just. And now I'm there. You're just dialing up Joseph Gordon Levitt shows now. The whole fucking thing. And so they need, it's so competitive out there in the landscape. They need a little bit more of that. Yeah. So you will get a season four to Elasso if you were to ask me.

Well, we'll be back next. week to discuss episode 11. Until then, Van Greyhound Gang Wolf. We were produced by Isaac Lee, coming from the Ringer Podcast Network Mobile Unit. Thank you very much to Isaac, and we will talk to you guys next week about Ted Lassau. You can't reason with the sun.

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